Rostec State Corporation: builds factories with one hand, kills with five

The events of the past seven months have revealed many unsightly things in our country. And the reports on repair enterprises, which are systematically destroyed by the subsidiaries of the Rostec concern, look even more creepy.

This process did not start yesterday, it has been going on for more than one year. In peacetime, probably, everything would be quiet and smooth, but in wartime, for some reason, people began to take an interest. And it turns out not just an ugly picture, but something so apocalyptic.

At the moment, we have recently announced with pomp that as many as TWO armored repair plants will be built, in Ramenskoye and Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, which will employ 365 and 227 people, respectively. Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin himself instructed to appoint the heads of enterprises in two months and begin construction.

Win? Well, yes. New factories, jobs and all that. "Go Russia!". However, it is doubtful that Mr. Mishustin will be able to answer the question of how many workers have already been expelled into the street and how many will be expelled during the final liquidation of the former repair enterprises of the Ministry of Defense, which fell under the jurisdiction of Spetsremeon JSC throughout Russia.

The list of liquidated enterprises is somewhat larger than what they are going to build. Moreover, in the list below there are a number of inaccuracies and some plants have ALREADY been liquidated and sold out.

The sad list is:

- 50th automobile repair plant, Rostov-on-Don. Actually doesn't exist.
- 258th repair plant for refueling and transporting fuel, Bataysk. Bankrupt, sold by manager Smirnov with a huge number of violations. Transactions have already been canceled twice in court, but Smirnov is very persistent.
- 751st repair plant, Rostov, Yaroslavl region
- 5th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Yekaterinburg. Bankrupt in 2019 and almost sold out. Director Demin, who supported the life of the plant, was fired, and a certain Orekhov was taken in his place, who sold the plant.
- 88th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Chita. Here, director Yakovlev, who did not want to ruin the plant, was less fortunate - he was imprisoned for 8 years, and his successor put the plant under the hammer. An interesting point: the arbitration manager of the 5th and 88th factories, Viktor Tikhonov, did not see deliberate bankruptcy.
- 15th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Novosibirsk. Bankrupt in 2018 and sold under the hammer.
- 172nd Central Automobile Repair Plant, Voronezh. Bankrupted in 2019, sale started in 2020. It is noteworthy that civil creditors were against it, but Spetsremont JSC actively wanted to get rid of the plant.
- 9th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Saratov and Engels. Bankrupt in 2019. The main creditor of 9 CARH was… the tax inspectorate! Today, the plant is being dismantled, despite the active opposition of the former director Shinkarenko, who set out to save the enterprise.
- 487th Central Automobile Repair Plant, Republic of Bashkortostan. Bankrupt, sold out, buildings destroyed.
- 81st central engineering base, Yaroslavl region. Declared bankrupt in 2021.
- 85th repair plant, Bryansk. Bankrupt back in 2013, on the second try. The initiator is the same JSC "Spetsremont". The plant is being destroyed.
- 261st repair plant, Novgorod. In the process of bankruptcy proceedings.

So, we solemnly build TWO factories for the repair of armored vehicles, in parallel we destroy TWELVE.

Moreover, the destruction of the former repair enterprises of the Ministry of Defense, as follows from the registers, did not begin yesterday. To Rostec, which is the holder of a controlling stake in Spetsremont, there are no less questions, but even more.

In general, of course, all this is reminiscent of the practice of the deliberate ruin of enterprises, followed by bankruptcy and the sale of property. The schemes have been worked out, everyone knows perfectly well where you can cash in. Apparently, they are making money, because in most cases, as former employees of closed enterprises said, it was the Rostekhov ones who initiated the bankruptcy. Moreover, if you dig deep into the Internet, you can find examples of how factories worth more than one and a half billion were launched under the hammer because of a debt of 250 million in taxes.

And now, in general, everything is covered up: Spetsremont, JSC, under crisis management, will now go bankrupt, someone will be appointed guilty, and perhaps even something will be done to him, although it is doubtful. The main thing is that Spetsremont will be deservedly bankrupt, because back in 2017, Defense Minister Shoigu complained that enterprises in 2012-2013 did not supply the Ministry of Defense with a huge amount of equipment in accordance with the contracts.

Indeed, how can Spetsremont find opportunities for repairs if the institution was busy with the bankruptcy of enterprises that they received from the Ministry of Defense? And it seems that then someone came up with a bright idea to transfer JSC "Spetsremont" to the State Corporation "Rostec".

Apparently, Rostec did not particularly need these plants either, because nothing had changed at all, and the wheels of the ruin and bankruptcy machine were spinning even faster.

I asked the employee of the press service of Rostec, I was transferred to the press service of the company RT-Capital, which promised to answer about “what is the reason for the liquidation and sale of repair plants and how this is combined with statements about the transition of the Russian economy on military lines.

In general, of course, the introduction of Spetsremont into Rostec today seems more than a strange thing. The factories belonged to the Ministry of Defense, they repaired military equipment, why was it necessary to transfer everything to a civilian corporation, which is generally not entirely clear what it does?

Why does RT-Capital own military factories? RT stands for Rostec. And, if you look at what this corporation should do in general, and this is best seen from the name, you can see this:

STATE CORPORATION FOR PROMOTION OF DEVELOPMENT, PRODUCTION AND EXPORT OF HIGH-TECH INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTS "ROSTEH".

Sounds like a lot, but tractor or tanker repair factories are somehow not quite suitable, are they?

But if you look at the registries, then you can find a lot of interesting things there with the beginning on RT. In addition to the same RT-Capital, you can see RT-Intellectexport, RT-Business Development (authorized capital of 38 billion rubles, if anything), RT-Registrar (owns a bunch of enterprises), RT-Finance, RT-Guard, RT-Stroytekh and so on, more than two dozen subsidiaries doing something.

Including - sale for nothing of the equipment of factories and dismissal of personnel.

Most factories are waiting for the sale of equipment, cutting of all metal and reprofiling into warehouses, shopping centers, office space. Even a complete demolition and construction of a residential complex in their place is possible (they say this will happen on the site of the 172nd CARZ in Voronezh, they managed to build a plant in a very promising place). And this is now, in conditions of an extremely urgent need for military equipment against the backdrop of hostilities.

But what does the Rostekhovsky business care about the fact that we have a war? No, we have capitalism, and therefore money for a barrel, even if the subordinates of the Hero of Russia and the full holder of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, Mr. Chemezov, seem to be acting on legal grounds, destroying military factories.

And by the way, the list of plants under threat is not limited to these twelve.

PJSC "Motovilikhinskiye Zavody"

This holding unites plants, including those with a full cycle of creating MLRS. In addition to Gradov, Smerch and Tornado, they produce Mstu-B, Vena, Nona of all modifications - in general, the historical artillery granary of Russia.

In 2002, the plants changed owners, passing under the control of CJSC Financial House Rus, and in 2011 a large block of shares was acquired by JSC NPK Uralvagonzavod, through which the company passed into the state corporation ... Rostec!

On August 20, 2009, Motovilikhinskiye Zavody PJSC was included in the list of strategic organizations by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation. Do you think it helped the factories a lot?

In 2013, a criminal case was opened against the former shareholder Marat Zagidullov on the fact of fraud that caused damage to Motovilikha Plants in the amount of 1,2 billion rubles. Zagidullov, together with a group of persons from among the managers of the enterprise, issued loans to legal entities “under contracts”.

As expected, no one repaid the loans, and the founder Zagidullin inflicted damage on Motovilikhinskiye Zavody JSC in the amount of 1,268 billion rubles. General Director Bukhvalov tried to bring Zagidullin to justice, and even a criminal case was opened on the fact of the robbery of a strategic enterprise.

However, in November 2014, the criminal case was dismissed "due to the lack of corpus delicti in the actions of the defendants." Well, Zagidullin and the company did nothing illegal. They did not steal more than a billion from the cash register, they simply lent money to dishonest people.

Is it worth saying that Mr. Zagidullin was a deputy of the State Duma of Russia from the United Russia party? So I don't think it's worth it.

And at the beginning of August 2017, PJSC Motovilikhinskiye Zavody entered the bankruptcy procedure - the court of the Perm Territory introduced a monitoring procedure for the plant.

In 2018, the company was declared bankrupt, the bankruptcy process was controlled by the same RT-Capital. Somehow it happened that "Plants" owed "RT-Capital" 7,6 billion rubles. And the Rostekhov structure bankrupted the plant with an unwavering hand.

And in 2022, the SVO began. So what?

And nothing. In March of this year, sales of the plants' property started. At first they sold in parts, but then it was decided to sell everything in one lot. War, not war - Rostec and Promsvyazbank (wanted about 1 billion rubles from Motovilikha) have their own interests.

At the request of RT-Capital, the company was forced to put up for sale property worth 3,5 billion rubles. It included production workshops, an engineering building, administrative and utility rooms, and various equipment. Promsvyazbank requires another 1 billion rubles.

Truly, to whom the war is - to whom the mother is dear ...

Local authorities in Perm are very eager to keep the plant, realizing its value. But for Rostec and PSB, the main value is somewhat different.

There is unofficial information from the scene that the part that is responsible for the MLRS feels quite normal and is provided with work. But if you take it as a whole, the situation cannot be called calm.

For all the enterprises mentioned above, the cause of bankruptcy and problems is the same: the absence of a state defense order (SDO) and the resulting lack of money. As a result, outdated plants often cannot be upgraded or repurposed.

Sometimes, production facilities that have not been operating for years are in such a state that there really is nothing to save there.

But the list contains quite efficient until recently factories that could provide significant assistance to the army.

Today, the situation is such that all legitimate activities to bankrupt military repair plants are illegal and harmful. The country is waging a real war with all the ensuing consequences, the fact that the war is called a "special military operation" does not mean at all that the equipment does not need to be repaired in quantities that are incomparable with the quantities in peacetime.

Factories are needed. Workers and engineers are needed. And they are needed today, and not in the fields, but in the comfortable conditions of factories.

And we have a situation where instead of factories there will soon be residential areas or shopping centers. And what the Rostekhov officials will say in such a situation is already clear to me. They will say that everything was done according to the law.

According to the law of peacetime. Now the time is completely different.

It is customary for us, after reading such articles, to ask the question: “And what does the author propose?”.

The author proposes that the relevant structures of the Ministry of Defense intervene immediately. Stop bankruptcy procedures and bankruptcy administration. Return factories to the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense. To return colonel directors, engineers and workers to the factories. Start repairing equipment as soon as possible.

Moreover, I know that people who were thrown out of factories as part of bankruptcy, in the main, the majority will return back at the first call. Ready to sign for many, especially in Voronezh. Those same fanatics of their enterprises, they will come and repair the equipment for as long as necessary.

Equipment is waiting for repairs, factories are waiting for decisions.


The necessary opinion from Rostec, received as a result of our appeal to the press service of the RT-Capital company with a request to comment on the situation with 12 bankrupt factories:

At the moment, the enterprises of the State Corporation Rostec are taking all the actions necessary to ensure the supply and repair of military equipment. Numerous facilities of the corporation and other industrial enterprises are involved in this work, including 9 plants of the Spetsremont holding, which today are operational and have retained production complexes designed to fulfill the state defense order. Among them are JSC 261 Repair Plant of Fuel Refueling and Transportation Means, JSC 144 Armored Repair Plant, JSC 103 Armored Repair Plant, JSC 163 Armored Repair Plant, JSC 192 Central Railway Equipment Plant, JSC 41 Central plant of railway equipment.

Armored repair plants No. 61, 81, 560 are today part of the Uralvagonzavod concern, performing their tasks of scheduled equipment repair and modernization.
In addition, teams of specialists from various Rostec holdings are currently working at field points for maintenance and repair of equipment damaged during a special military operation.

It should be noted that in 2017-2018, when the process of transferring Spetsremont from the Russian Ministry of Defense to the Rostec State Corporation took place, 90% of the holding’s repair plants had signs of insolvency or were already in bankruptcy proceedings. Unsettled accounts payable under the State Defense Order amounted to 30 billion rubles, and the company's loss was more than 32 billion rubles. Operations on the settlement accounts of the company were actually blocked due to the execution orders presented to them - their amount exceeded 600 million rubles. Technically and morally, the repair plants that are part of the holding did not meet the requirements that the modern market imposes on them. Therefore, many of the competencies and their shares in this market were transferred to other representatives of the industry, who became the only executors of government contracts instead of Spetsremont.

At the same time, as part of the restructuring of repair plants, RT-Capital LLC (a specialized subsidiary of Rostec for working with problem assets) was able to restore the efficiency and solvency of a significant part of Spetsremont's subsidiaries, preventing a transition to bankruptcy proceedings. This was achieved through the restructuring of debts, increasing the portfolio of orders, work with non-core assets.

As for those assets of Spetsremont, which are now in the process of bankruptcy (there are 12 such enterprises), the sale of their property is carried out in accordance with the provisions of the Bankruptcy Law - under the control of creditors, the arbitration court and relevant ministries.

The assets of these organizations, which are included in the list of strategic or defense companies, are sold in accordance with the rules for the sale of property sets of strategic enterprises. Only those companies that have valid licenses issued by the authorized body for the implementation of the state defense order are allowed to participate in the auction. The buyer will be obliged to preserve the designated purpose of the property complex and mobilization property of the debtor, as well as to fulfill the debtor's contracts under the state defense order, to ensure federal state needs in the field of maintaining the defense capability and security of the Russian Federation.

They control the preservation of the intended purpose and the execution of contracts by the Ministry of Defense of Russia or the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia - depending on the direction of activity of a particular enterprise.

Rostec’s answer can be spelled out for a very long time, but the essence here is simple: everything written by the company’s press service was valid until 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, especially since Rostec employees are cunning in some things. But we will return to this in the following materials.

Today we are in a completely different situation. And you need to act on the basis of several other laws. This is my personal opinion, as is the opinion of many former employees of bankrupt military repair plants.

Comments

[ivan2022]

Rostec's commentary is a classic of the genre. The question of what is happening is smoothly replaced by explanations on the topic "what depends on what for us .... that is what happens."

The main slogan of our time: "Cut down the dough and dump" - is relevant after February 24 even more than before February 24. Regardless of any sanctions.
This is already a race competition with NWO events.
Let's catch up and overtake! Succeed at any cost!

[Aerodrome]

in Russia for 30 years, thousands and thousands of enterprises have been destroyed, including purely military ones, and of dual use ... are we under occupation or what?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Aerodrome

in Russia for 30 years, thousands and thousands of enterprises have been destroyed, including purely military ones, and of dual use ... are we under occupation or what?

Russia is still alive thanks to the Soviet legacy, the main of which is nuclear weapons! Thanks Comrade Stalin!

[AlexTires]

A little more and nuclear weapons will go on sale at such a pace, IMHO ....

[Civil]

All this has long been known. Why only now began to download the topic?

[Dutchman]

And what does Stalin have to do with it, thanks to Openheimer and the nuclear physicists, the dead communists from the Manhattan Project who handed over all the documentation on the creation of nuclear weapons to the USSR

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Dutch

And what does Stalin have to do with it, thanks to Openheimer and the nuclear physicists, the dead communists from the Manhattan Project who handed over all the documentation on the creation of nuclear weapons to the USSR

And, are you one of those miserable ones that consider Kalashnikov a converted Schmeiser?

[Hitriy Zhuk]

He is one of those lampshades that would "drink Bavarian".

[Yrec]

So who, in the end, used these nuclear weapons? Maybe the USSR?

[Sergey777]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Russia is still alive thanks to the Soviet legacy, the main of which is nuclear weapons! Thanks Comrade Stalin!

Wow, Wow!! Oh what am I, litter gentlemen, quarrel

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sergey777

Wow, Wow!! laughing Oh what am I, sorry gentlemen, quarrel hi lol

Of course, cheers, with such a conduct of the SVO, it remains only to rely on nuclear weapons.

[Sergey777]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Of course, cheers, with such a conduct of the SVO, it remains only to rely on nuclear weapons.

And what kind of despondency is this senior ensign, A?! You don't understand jokes, humor, or sarcasm. With such a mood, not only the kitchen, but I would not trust you with the management of the kitchen! resign

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sergey777

With such a mood, not only the kitchen, but I would not trust you with the management of the kitchen! resign

With such jumps from the supply room to the kitchen and conclusions about the senior ensign, I would not trust you with a scooter, let alone a car. Scooters are irrelevant, I would not trust a sled!

[Sergey777]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

With such jumps from the supply room to the kitchen and conclusions about the senior ensign, I would not trust you with a scooter, let alone a car. Scooters are irrelevant, I would not trust a sled!

[Vicontas]

As military expert K. Sivkov said - three more months of such "fun" - and there will be a revolution in Russia!

[2112vda]

Do you still doubt that we are under occupation? Since 1991, Russia has lost its independence. In any city, one can cite a lot of examples of destroyed factories, and "the ears of effective managers stick out" behind everything. The entire business elite feeding, or more precisely, plundering Russia, have property and accounts in the West. The most disgusting thing is that the party communist elite handed over the country.

[Garik Gorkin]

And there is. Article "Why RUSSIA is a COLONY"
https://solovyeva.livejournal.com/331687.html

[kin]

The Soviet elite may have surrendered, but that was thirty years ago, and all these thirty years, three main characters have been continuing their work in turn, one, however, died in 2007.

[Grigory_78]

Exactly. Under the occupation of liberals, especially fans of the "hand of the free market" and "citizens of the world."

[for]

Quote: Gregory_78

Under the occupation of liberals

Do we have liberals in power?

[Garik Gorkin]

>Under the occupation of liberals.
Do we have liberals in power?

These are different concepts. Liberals and liberals are regularly confused. At the same time, it is the latter who make the main efforts to create such confusion, in every possible way convincing others that they are the true liberals.
There is an article 20 differences between a "liberal" and a "liberal".
Difference No. 1) The liberal holds the concept of the freedom that his own people want to see for themselves.

The liberalist promotes in every way a well-defined freedom that allows Western financial groups to plunder his country and citizens, while desiring everything American and European.

Full article here:
https://cont.ws/@barbera/224630

[for]

And in an article written by Roman, whom does he criticize liberals or liberals?

[jdiver]

Is it not those 30 years and three years that the Russian hero Ilya Muromets in fairy tales lay on the stove before the elders came to him and healed him? 31 years have already passed. If only someone would heal our wise elders with magic pills.

[Andrey NM]

Here is not a complete list of large enterprises in Krasnoyarsk, which employed several thousand, and some tens of thousands of people:
Plant "Sivinit"
Krasnoyarsk TV Plant
Sibelektrostal plant
Sibtyazhmash plant
Jaw excavator factory
Combine plant
Tire factory
RTI plant
Krastyazhmash (factory of heavy excavators)
Woodworking factory
Shipbuilding factory
Shipyard
Medicines plant
Low-voltage equipment plant
Trailer plant
Radio plant
Chemical plant "Yenisei"
Pulp and Paper Mill
Margarine plant
Brewery "Pikra" (it was a large factory)
Hydrolysis plant
Plant "Quant"
Silk mill
Meat Factory
Kraslesmash
Sibelektrostal
Glass factory
and a number of other companies.
And what is interesting is that only 3 enterprises from this list were liquidated before 2000. The main peak of bankruptcies occurred in 2007-2010. And we see the continuation now. No one stutters about the development of production at the top. One can only hear where to sell the resources and how, as it were, from where we were brought what fell under the sanctions. Everything. As these "managers" sat, so they sit. Sometimes the chairs are changed.

[Oleg_Nikolaevich]

American Prospect Since 2001, 42400 US factories have closed.
And this is in the absence of economic problems, the collapse of the country (USSR), crises, wars.
And what do you demand from a country that was almost destroyed.
Military factories are closing, of course they will be closed when the number of armored vehicles has decreased. What will these factories create and repair when the number of weapons is reduced. That they will repair 1 tank per month. In the USSR, there were more armored vehicles than cars in Moscow. Therefore, it was necessary to have a bunch of factories. And now the factories are different now. Now 1 CNC operator does the work of 5 people or more. As a result, 1 plant can perform as much work as 5 plants in the USSR. And with fewer employees. And the most technological plants will be enough for 15 people for 3 shifts. Only thanks to robots that replace people.

[vlad106]

Rostec State Corporation: builds factories with one hand, kills with five

Quote: Aerodrome

in Russia for 30 years, thousands and thousands of enterprises have been destroyed, including purely military ones, and of dual use ... are we under occupation or what?

Under occupation!
"Effective" managers

[Stas157]

. And we have a situation where instead of factories there will soon be residential areas or shopping centers. And what will the Rostec figures say in such a situation?

Good evening, Moscow time 12 hours 30 minutes. ©

Our heads of factories do not have a dagger, but they have expensive watches on their hands. But it would be better the other way around.

[paul3390]

How so? And the guarantor in his last speech said that this damned West has been robbing us for 30 years ...

[Last centurion]

... Through intermediary brothers from the 90s, who urgently departed for Kazakhstan and other Israel, but milked the remnants of production here.

[skeptic]

Quote: ivan2022

The main slogan of our time: "Cut down the dough and dump" - is relevant after February 24 even more than before February 24.

We managed to be born in the era of Satanism of the thieves' godfather in Russia. It seems their task is to sell Russia and not even fade away, because ALL of them are already in the West. More and more it resembles the agony after the revolution, but now everything is much worse - there is no idea and forces to implement it, except for "liquidation managers" in all levels of power.
And I don't know how to look at the guys leaving Russia as "traitors", or those who do not see the opportunity and strength to overthrow the "All-Russian raspberry thieves' plowman".
At the very least, we need a military dictatorship now. All liquidations, sales of enterprises capable of producing elements of military products must be stopped. Ideally, they are nationalized and subordinated to the structure of the military-industrial complex, but only specialists from patriotic parties should be recruited into the leadership, on an open, competitive basis. The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation should be amended, for the period of hostilities, any leader who has committed theft or any other type of activity that disrupts or reduces production, for defense - long terms of imprisonment, with complete confiscation of property. Especially the companies themselves.
You can still change something, but the form of Western capitalism, in Russia, must disappear like smallpox for the entire state. The thieves' godfather must disappear from the body of Russia, otherwise Russia itself will disappear.

[Spatel]

And what to do with the godfather?
Have a prescription?

[skeptic]

Quote: Spasatel

And what to do with the godfather?
Have a prescription?

And with the Hunchback, did you do anything? He himself created by his inaction the basis of his future destiny.

[sgrabik]

Here it is the market economy in all its glory, it is interesting that all this bestiality on the part of the so-called "effective managers" from "Rostec" continues even after our country's entry into a virtually full-fledged war with the NATO bloc, you need to clearly understand that peacetime laws are now losing their relevance, now we need to forget about all our selfish interests, about stuffing our pockets with profits and make every effort for our common victory over the enemy.

[Titus_2]

But doesn’t it seem to you that for these managers the enemy is not where our guys are fighting, but apparently their enemies are simple people who work at these enterprises and some of these enterprises are city-forming ..... although for the most part everything has already been destroyed.

[ZIF122]

Yes, someone is fighting and someone is making money no matter what, like two parallel worlds!

[Dilettante grandfather]

The fact that now is wartime, and the laws should be different - I agree. But I don't think anything will change. To do this, it is necessary that the state change its policy of non-intervention in relation to production and business. Roughly speaking, it did not delegate rights, but directly engaged in the military-industrial complex. Yes, even if they appoint an appropriate minister, it definitely won’t be worse. All these "A transferred the rights of B to enterprises of (such and such) profile" resemble the usual sawing pattern. Where the longer the chain, the more those who get access to the gear. "Saw Shura, saw. They are golden!" © ("Golden Calf", Ilf, Petrov)

[Mihail55]

Thanks for the article, Roman! The lessons of the 90s live and flourish! Get ready to go bankrupt! It has already become a classic ... What do thieves care about the war ...

[Dimy4]

They sawed everything into loot and the most interesting thing for this is not only that they will not be held responsible, but they will also receive a medal from our most important dispenser.

[U-58]

Yes Yes. For services to the fatherland.

[andr327]

We love to drink. And a huge number of parasites stuck to it. The well-known Voentorg (which used to provide for military personnel and members of their families) rented out almost all of its buildings and structures and sucks money from tenants without doing anything. Even a soldier's cap in the unit now belongs to some individual entrepreneur. Shame.

[avia12005]

If defense plants are being destroyed, it means that someone needs it. To whom, to whom? Enemy.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: avia12005

To whom, to whom? Enemy.

And if your good neighbor does this... with whom you play chess in the evenings... who just wants to get rich for free... what category will he be in then... will you put him up against the wall as an enemy of the people?

[avia12005]

Without a doubt, yes. But I don't have the opportunity.

[Zefr]

Bastards, in fact, are often kind, cheerful fat men with an infectious laugh, and an absolute lack of conscience.
And serial maniacs are quiet family balding old men.
So yes, a chess neighbor should be shot if there are conditions.
And your attitude towards your neighbor is a vivid example of nepotism, and in the case of official relations - corruption.
Once a former boss asked me, "Do I look like a scammer?" What should a scammer look like? He's a scammer to look like a respectable citizen

[Lech from Android.]

all this is reminiscent of the practice of the deliberate ruin of enterprises, followed by bankruptcy and the sale of property.

Laws must be changed ... State Duma deputies must make their contribution to stop such fraudulent actions.
The case of Chubais and other Soros still lives in Russia.
This infection cannot be cured quickly... it goes from top to bottom.

[Alf]

Quote: Lech from Android.

State Duma deputies should make their contribution to stop such fraudulent actions.

The very ones that implemented these laws?

[VicktorVR]

The author's indignation is understandable, understandable, and he drank the worked out scheme - first he drank at the collapse of old factories, then - at the construction of new ones.

But based on my experience at Rostec factories, it is often really easier to "destroy to the ground" and build a new one than to try to do something on the old one.
Yes, in some places there is unique equipment and personnel, but for the most part, equipment and personnel literally fall apart on the go. Most of the workers either live up to retirement or are already retired and do not want to work, and often do not want to share their experience - they will be kicked out of retirement immediately, as they will be taught to replace themselves. Premises, communications, etc. overhead costs for them are huge, in internal logistics there is a mess (arriving at the procurement workshop for paperwork for parts for a product that has already left the factory in fact is a common thing).

Rostec also loves gaskets: Rostec includes the Alfa concern, it includes the Shantsevy Instrument group, it includes the Kolupaevsky Shovel Building plant, the difference between it and the special inventive control "Wheelbarrow-Cart", which is directly part of Rostec , colossal.

It is necessary to understand carefully in each individual case.

But yes, there are very few commissars in dusty helmets.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: VicktorVR

Commissars in dusty helmets are in short supply.

Are there not enough fiscal bodies in Russia?
I doubt that the commissioners will change anything in this swamp.
The very system of organizing work and management is vicious ... the commissar, having shot a couple of pests in five years, having grown fat and fat, he himself will do what his predecessors did.
This is especially noticeable in China.

[VicktorVR]

In China, the growth of the economy, and military power, and science is noticeable.

The essence of the institution of "commissars in dusty helmets", as I understand it, is the presence of people with extraordinary powers and extraordinary responsibility for the result. And of course, those commissars were motivated to work for the good of the Motherland not only and not so much by the threat of execution in case of failure. And now there is a problem with ideological motivation.

Yes, and God bless her, at least introduce elementary responsibility for the result, it would already be a great thing.

By the way, after a series of landings of mayors and governors, in our area, local authorities really began to do at least something. For example, the markings that disappeared after the winter appear on the roads of the city and the region already in April-May, and not at the end of August, as before.

[Stas157]

Quote: VicktorVR

But based on my experience at Rostec factories, it is often really easier to "destroy to the ground", and build a new one

Everything is fine with the first one, but what about the second - with the construction of new factories to replace the old ones?

The construction of new factories to replace the old city-forming ones cannot be compared with what was destroyed. Not quantitatively, not even qualitatively. You then found the once mighty Soviet factories and enterprises, probably already in a dead and battered state.

[VicktorVR]

Usually they stupidly begin to dump the loot into the existing production. Moreover, even if we exclude selfish motives, it is still done extremely poorly. Wild incompetence of leaders.

Then people have hair on end - why did they buy THIS ?! What to do with IT?!

[Eug]

Most likely - they build their own, "kill" strangers - those that for some reason cannot become the property of the Republic of Tatarstan. As for me, there is a perversion of state interests and their substitution by corporate ones.

[your vsr 66-67]

Is it only factories that are being destroyed? Destroy EVERYTHING! Hospitals, state farms, children's institutions, etc. And at all levels, starting from the districts! Every little or little leader of the district fancies himself a kind of king! And what? All these tax, prosecutor's offices, police / police, courts, etc. were bought with giblets! No superior control! Has anyone ever seen their governor in some regional center? Not driving in a luxury foreign car, but on foot, but to schools, hospitals, and enterprises! And not accompanied by a retinue, but just for one to take a walk, with a maximum of one or two assistants! Here's something!
God is high - the king is far away!

[U-58]

The author approached the topic in a Soviet way. Like everything for the front, everything for victory. I don't blame him. Because I myself think in the same categories.
But the bourgeois everyday life of our republic, bit by bit, bit by bit, retrains us to look at things more realistically.
So, we are destroying 12 factories, and with the benefit of individuals, whose personalities are not at all a secret.
2 factories set out to build on their own state money.
It is necessary, because the war.
And there is NO connection of one action with the second.
NEP, citizens! Capitalism. Freedom of action and entrepreneurship. Of course, in order to maximize profits.
But what about the war? But what about the public interest?
And so: the state has an interest, so it will tear off money for it from itself. And where should he go?
But the liquidated capacities are completely private property, passed through dozens of owning hands, and why should the state covet it?
Sell, share. And it's all according to the law!
We have such laws. And no one is to blame for them. All good fellows.
And what is the result? Those who observe the state interest and those who warm their hands on the sales of enterprises turn out to be the same personalities.
This is scary.
It’s scary because today you play jazz, and tomorrow you will sell your homeland ...
And no one will do anything about such a situation.
We have such a system. State.

[Sergey Drozdov]

2 days ago, right during the SVO, the 100th anniversary of Russian jazz was celebrated with a pompous concert ... And once again you are convinced of the wisdom of the Bolsheviks: - "today you play jazz, and tomorrow you will sell your homeland", but yesterday we were working together on this laughing...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Sergey Drozdov

you are convinced of the wisdom of the Bolsheviks: - "today you play jazz, and tomorrow you will sell your homeland",

"Ziganshin boogie" is also jazz however, no one sold their homeland
The Bolsheviks made a big strategic mistake by not allowing rock and roll to develop, you could call it the folk music of American agricultural workers - cowboys. And create your own Soviet rock and roll

[restless]

The law is the will of the ruling class, and who is our ruling class?? That's right, swindlers, bandits, speculators, in general, bourgeois, and what is most important for them, of course, the greed and the rest is violet to them, they will sell everyone and everything, if there is nothing to move to another country, that's why we have under the SVO, they are chasing to the west the strategic resources from which weapons are produced, which are used to kill our soldiers, it’s normal to substitute our fighters for money for slaughter, there is no smell of treason here, such bourgeois laws, although you need to put up against the wall for this ...

[Nikolay Malyugin]

If we could not evacuate everything of value from the social. countries, from the union republics, and besides, they destroyed entire industries in their own country, then the question arises whether we are ready to restore at least part of what was destroyed. Who needed it. Only a firm account of what we have left will help correct the situation.

[nemez]

Add here also ChTZ. And the partially sold-out assets of Electromashina.

[sgrabik]

Cattle have turned the whole country into one big shopping and entertainment center, the consumer society is getting dumber and losing all ability to think soberly, and hence the patriotic spirit and the ability to resist, this is once again proved by all these queues for leaving the country of the so-called "citizens of the Russian Federation" to Kazakhstan, Georgia, Armenia, etc.

[Alex66]

Or maybe we are not at war with NATO in Ukraine, maybe it's just a cleansing of territories from peoples (Slavs), from industries (competitors). All in order to bring the United States out of the crisis. And the performers are waiting for a reward, like Vysotsky: There will be money, a house in Chicago, a lot of women and cars ...

[FoBoss_V]

The top managers of Rostec, headed by Chemezov, are the real enemies of the people. Everyone knows about it, and Putin knows it too. He knows, but does absolutely nothing. He is also sure and knows about the bankruptcy and the state of all the factories indicated in the article, as well as many others in the military-industrial complex. Again, he knows, but nothing is being done to somehow rectify and raise the situation. From all this, I personally can draw only one single conclusion: our president and all of his around the defense gang of managers are not at all who they are trying to impersonate, we are being shown a well-staged performance from the TV news screens. Nothing else can explain how it began, was conducted and continues to be conducted. It is impossible to explain everything that is happening in the army, in the defense industry and the economy, so far, after 8 (!!!) months of the war .. Who, how and for whom and whose interests are served. Once again I am convinced that Kontsantin Sivkov was 300% right in an interview on Roy TV, that we have TREASON and TREASON in the highest echelons of power.

[parusnik]

What is indicated in the article is called the mobilization of the economy. Transfer to military rails. Yeah.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

Everything is written correctly. But exactly the same could be said about the situation before the Russo-Japanese War. The legacy of the great Alexander III was plundered and ruined during the reign of Nicholas II. The result - Port Arthur, Tsushima, "obscene world." Judging by what is happening with the military economy now - Stalin's methods are needed - executions and landings - otherwise the West's dream of destroying Russia will finally come true.

[your1970]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

Judging by what is happening with the military economy now - Stalin's methods are needed - executions and landings - otherwise the West's dream of destroying Russia will finally come true.

Judging by what happened in October 1941 - the then generals, to the last, should not have been shot - but burned alive in the squares or tied with TNT and dumped alive on the Germans.
Losses (including the wounded) only near Minsk were about 200 in 000 days.
And the front is within the current Moscow Ring Road.
But for some reason, Stalin did not apply Stalin's methods ... and Voroshilov and his friends lived on quite normally ...
Or then the question of the destruction of Russia was not raised?
Double standards, no?

[Vadmir]

and Voroshilov and his friends lived on quite normally ...

And what does Klimenty Efremovich have to do with it? At the beginning of the war, Timoshenko was the Minister of Defense, Zhukov was the Chief of the General Staff.

[your1970]

Quote: Vadmir

and Voroshilov and his friends lived on quite normally ...

And what does Klimenty Efremovich have to do with it? At the beginning of the war, Timoshenko was the Minister of Defense, Zhukov was the Chief of the General Staff.

And Clement Efremovich was a pre-war Serdyukov ....

[rotkiv04]

and who commands Rostec, rightly friend and colleague of Putin, the generalisimus was not just put as a manager of all Russia

[michell]

The author raised a very serious, but simply huge topic, the origins of which, in my opinion, do not even lie in the 90s, they were laid much earlier. As part of the commentary, it will not be possible to cover, but at least I will try to make an outline.
Indeed, in Soviet times, the Ministry of Defense had many repair plants. I would venture to suggest that the last thing they thought about the economic efficiency of these enterprises at the time of their creation was the task of repairing equipment, but how, with what forces and costs is the tenth question. After the change of the economic model by the state in the 90s, these enterprises were simply abandoned by the state, the privatization carried out against the background of the absence of a state order (which the author absolutely correctly writes about) very quickly brought the enterprises to the handle.
Author's suggestions

The author proposes that the relevant structures of the Ministry of Defense intervene immediately. Stop bankruptcy procedures and bankruptcy administration.

are good wishes for all that is good and against all that is bad. What is the mechanism of this action? The Minister of Defense will bang his fist on the table, and the arbitration court will stop the bankruptcy proceedings? In fact, the court is a state authority, independent of the Moscow Region, and will not stop the procedure at the shout from the Moscow Region. There is a mechanism for terminating the bankruptcy procedure, there are many nuances, but in the end it all comes down to a simple thing - money. MO is ready to pay off (simultaneously or in accordance with the schedule) the company's debts to creditors? (Hence the rhetorical question - is financing for these purposes included in the budget of the Moscow Region?) About newly created enterprises - they are created in the form of state-owned institutions, and their bankruptcy is impossible by default, since creditors, in case of default by the enterprise, can make claims directly to the owner in the person of the MO ( states). This mechanism is called subsidiary liability. The author does not indicate anything about the organizational and legal form of the 12 enterprises he listed, but I would venture to suggest that all of them are commercial enterprises (companies of various forms or federal state unitary enterprises). Claims for the recovery of subsidiary liability against the owners of such enterprises are possible only as part of the bankruptcy procedure, which is what creditors, including the Federal Tax Service, are doing.
Summing up, I would like to say a simple thing (again, within the framework of the good wishes of the struggle for everything good against everything bad ). The creation of any enterprises by the state must necessarily meet the requirements of economic feasibility, that is, their financing must be immediately included in the budget, respectively, there must be an understanding, repair (manufacture) of what equipment (products) is required, in what quantities, who will be the consumer of the manufactured products. I understand that this is practically a state plan, but the author is absolutely right that the country is at war, and in such a situation, squandering resources (inefficient use) is unacceptable. It is not the army that is fighting, it is the economy that is fighting, and the one who can offer the most efficient business model will win, especially considering the size of our economy compared to the Western one. I believe that when it dawns on EVERYONE and EVERYONE that there is no place in this scheme for yachts, fur coat stores and traveling to dog shows on a specially ordered aircraft, we will be able to win. Unfortunately, at this moment I personally do not observe the prerequisites for this ...

[U-58]

You somehow missed one thing.
Namely, the trend towards the privatization of everything and everything.
This I mean that the state-owned enterprise built tomorrow will be privatized the day after tomorrow.
And interested parties can easily find reasons for this not many, but very many.
And, over time, everything will go in a certain circle: sales, resales, bankruptcy, liquidation with the sale of everything.
And there are no guarantees that the "official" status will be maintained by the treasury itself. We have a "free market" - this is our FSE ..

[michell]

Pay attention to what I indicated above - enterprises are created in the form of a state institution. A government institution is a non-profit organization, and its privatization is impossible by law (I don't think you can give an example of the privatization of a library or a museum). Of course, if we presume total corruption at all levels and in all institutions of power, we can assume a scheme for privatizing the property of the institution, but for this it is necessary to withdraw the property of the institution to the treasury, register a commercial enterprise of any form (FGUP, JSC), assign property to a newly created enterprise, and only then expose the enterprise for privatization. In my humble opinion, it is too complicated, cumbersome, and in the process there is a risk of drawing the attention of the competent authorities to all these movements. That is, theoretically, the privatization of the property of an institution is possible, but, in my opinion, everything possible has been done to date to exclude such a situation in relation to newly created enterprises (make it as less likely as possible).
PS. Minus is not mine.

[U-58]

You have described the procedure perfectly.
The trouble is that if there are interested persons (and they always are), then the privatization procedure will be initiated. And they (persons) with the patience of a boa constrictor will carry out this procedure step by step.
I don't care about the downsides.
"I served not for titles and not for orders. I don't like stars for blat" ©

[Whore18]

It’s just that the author is a very diverse journalist, today we write about the military-industrial complex, tomorrow about space, the day after tomorrow about submarines. What we dig in the internet, we write. In a word, everything is bad everywhere.

[Gardamir]

What is remarkable about this article about Rostec. Everyone is worried about the state of affairs on the fronts. And we have it all over Russia. We retreat everywhere. Moreover, against the background of current affairs, Gorbachev and Yeltsin will seem like bunnies.

[cold wind]

Quote: Gardamir

Moreover, against the background of current affairs, Gorbachev and Yeltsin will seem like bunnies.

Gorbachev ruled the country for 6 years
Yeltsin less than 8 years old
Putin has been in power for 23 years.
23 years with windfall profits from the sale of oil and gas. What was done? What result?
With our potential, we could be among the top three economies in the world, and now we are asking China to sell us at least something. We buy UAVs from Iran (!!!) and rejoice in this, because no one else agrees to this. VAZ is not competitive even in an empty market. Nothing is high tech at all. We continue to fly on the "royal" rockets.
For the world, we are an empty place, a big North Korea with 2 pipes of gas and 2 pipes of oil. There is no other benefit. No science, no culture, no production.
We are a resource country for the developed countries of the West and Asia. Oil, gas, fertilizer, wheat, white workers, everything.

[U-58]

Very pessimistic, but .. fair.
And all from the fact that there is no state interest.
But there is the interest of private capital, which runs the country.
And who, in fact, to blame?
We choose our own power. What we have chosen is what we have.

[Whore18]

Everything is bad and Putin is worthless and AvtoVAZ does not produce cars. I looked out the window, there was nowhere to put the car, and there were five stores and half were open 24 hours.

[sgrabik]

And what do you think it is a great achievement.

[SavranP]

Gorbachev ruled over a country called the USSR from 85 to 91. Yeltsin ruled the RSFSR, then the Russian Federation, from the 90th to the 99th. There is a proverb: "To break is not to build...". Why do you not evaluate the results of the board of these characters? In the 98th in the Russian Federation there was a default. Do you remember what it is? But Yeltsin promised to lie down on the rails in this case, he did not. But a large number of ordinary citizens of Russia went bankrupt. The rule of Gaidar, appointed by Yeltsin as a fat-faced "guru of the economy" for the liberals of the Russian Federation, turned into the final destruction of Soviet industry, the collapse of which began under Gorbachev. These were terrible years, many people passed away, for various reasons. Foreign demographers called the situation in Russia a "Russian cross": a sharp increase in mortality with an equally sharp drop in the birth rate. In Russia, in the 90s, the rules were "seven bankers", in all ministries and government institutions there were foreign "advisers". At the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, the most secret in Soviet times, there were American "specialists" who controlled the production and disarmament process in accordance with START-2. In the first years of his rule, Putin ended the devastating war in Chechnya, imprisoned Khodorkovsky, drove Gusinsky, Smolensky, Berezovsky and others like them out of Russia. He forced the rest of the oligarchs and businessmen to pay taxes. The economy slowly began to revive, not as fast as we would like, but building does not break - it does not work out quickly. And your standard cries have already set the teeth on edge, at least they changed the training manual or something.

[RaccoonSnake]

It’s better not to read about Chemezov’s “patrimony”, otherwise depression will begin from hopelessness.

[Alexander Salosenko]

Another sabotage at the top of the echelon of power in its purest form ... The GRU is looking in the wrong place, or maybe not looking.

[Mungut]

If this war did not exist, then it should have been invented. Like her, she strongly began to wash away all the falseness in our society.

[Beaver]

Somehow I had to hire the head of the production of electronic devices. Many candidates came from the agro-industrial complex, who turned out to be the most useless - they received epic salaries in the same place, they did not know how to do anything and were used to messing around. The same was true for installers. Only their salaries were just low, but they still did not want to work. The question is, what State Duma deputies or bankers make these people treat their work this way?

[Ermak_Timofeich]

we are building TWO factories for the repair of armored vehicles, in parallel we are destroying TWELVE

Everything is as always and as old as the world - "a time to scatter stones, and a time to collect stones; a time to hug, and a time to avoid hugs ... a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace."

[Dedok]

the people who are entrusted - "to manage us" - do not know how, unfortunately, to "take away and divide" "in life" ...
so the results are...
to enter a military school - you need to bring a polyam ...

[U-58]

Take away from everyone, but share in your circle ..

[alexey sidykin]

Do not lie ... we have a neighbor's boy, the son of simple rural teachers, graduated from a military school. Without any polls. Where are they from rural teachers.

[Horn]

How I want to live to see the time when the name "effective manager" will be put up against the wall! But I'm afraid we'll have to live forever...

[Adagka]

Quote: Mungut

If this war did not exist, then it should have been invented. Like her, she strongly began to wash away all the falseness in our society.

Quite right, from all the cracks climbed drmo, which for twenty years degenerate managers diligently decorated with plywood banners painted under Gzhel and Khokhloma. And now everyone is heading with leaps and bounds towards the next Mukden / Khasavyurt and “please treat with understanding”

[U-58]

.... and everything goes according to plan.
I mean, we're all right.

[Gardamir]

Yes, you are an optimist, my friend. Mukden and Khasavyurt can be considered a victory, compared to where they lead Russia.

[Oleg133]

The purposeful 20-year destruction of industry is preparation for losing the war. But Putin is not a traitor, no, he is a good tsar

[Yuriy77]

I will say the most banal thing - all factories producing military products and their components must be nationalized!

[olgherd]

Everything is clear - managers are to blame for everything. For 20 or 30 years, everything was ruined and plundered.
Actually, the manager is a hired employee. And he works in the interests of the employer. And I will never believe that in 20 or 30 years the employer would not have changed managers if something did not suit him! No, all these schemes for managing financial flows were designed to direct these same flows, sometimes quietly, sometimes openly, in the right and right direction. For 22 years, the Most Effective Manager and Strategist has been building this system (and he started building even earlier) - and everyone was happy with everything. Those who were not satisfied were called traitors, the 5th column, they were asked not to rock.
Honestly, I'm starting to envy Kazakhstan (it's clear that we haven't seen how it works yet) - the message to limit the president to a seven-year term looks interesting.

[Fan-fan]

For example, Kazakhstan not only limited the "king" to a seven-year term, but also banned the relatives of the "king" from holding high government positions. The Kazakhs are now smarter than the Russians.

[OLEG CZIGANOV]

It's a shame for the country, bad communists built, built, optimizers came, closed everything and bought yachts and palaces for themselves. The CIA is a kindergarten compared to our St. Petersburg organized crime group

[alexey sidykin]

Yes? For example, in our neighboring village, a prosperous millionaire collective farm went bankrupt in one year back in 88 ... under your communists.

[know]

The problem is that Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Gaidar and others sacredly believed in Western common people and their great values, considering themselves natives of some Arkanar, and Americans - without exception, progressives
Rumats who struggle to teach their unreasonable people to live and live and make good. However, it turned out that the Americans are not Rumats, but "white gentlemen" who behave in Russia only a little more decently than the "civilized British" in Uganda or the courtly French in Madagascar. They created a comprador class of nouveau riche oligarchs in Russia, which helped and continues to help them plunder the territory of the new colony. In fact, they took hostage the wives, mistresses and children of Russian politicians and "businessmen" living abroad. Until the oligarchs are liquidated and officials with personal interests in Europe and the United States are not fired, Russia will remain a semi-colony and will not be allowed to develop.

[Edward Vashchenko]

Until the oligarchs are liquidated and officials with personal interests in Europe and the United States are not fired, Russia will remain a semi-colony and will not be allowed to develop.

From the rearrangement of the places of the terms, the sum does not change.

[Radical]

Quote: Aerodrome

in Russia for 30 years, thousands and thousands of enterprises have been destroyed, including purely military ones, and of dual use ... are we under occupation or what?

Did you just understand it now?

[Atmospheric QUEEN]

The guarantor sees nothing wrong with that. Otherwise, I would have long ago started up and woke up.

[tank64rus]

SMERSH should understand everything traitors and grabbers against the wall. If this is one of the deeds of the 5th column.

[for]

Quote: tank64rus

SMERSH should understand everything traitors and grabbers against the wall

And who do you see in SMERSH employees, especially its leadership. If those who will appoint them there, appoint those who need to be shot (maybe themselves)?

[Maks1995]

For 20 years, everyone understood everything, and suddenly ...
Everyone understands everything now.

Nothing depends on Mykol and Nikit shooting at each other.
The billions of sums prescribed in the article will enrich the real masters of life.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Here. Before laughing at the Ukrainians, you need to look at yourself. How many giggled at their armor, defense sales, weapons and equipment. Now we look at ourselves and feel deja vu. Armor plates dropped from armor, first-aid kits, communications, and the list goes on.

[Alexander Rasmukhambetov]

The mess he got, one hand makes the other breaks, when these creatures get drunk, where the guarantor looks, Stalin must be raised, Russia will be taken away.

[Harry_]

Quote: Aerodrome

in Russia for 30 years, thousands and thousands of enterprises have been destroyed, including purely military ones, and of dual use ... are we under occupation or what?

..and what. it only now became so noticeable .. but before it was not .. "logs" were not visible .. ??!!

[Fan-fan]

but before that it wasn’t .. "logs" were not visible .. ??!!

But the majority did not see, although it would be more correct to say they did not want to see. They only believed in TV. And the people who believe only one source is a stupid people. That's the poet and the problem we have.

[cpls22]

This practice, in my opinion, has purely ideological, even philosophical, if you like, roots.
The approach to development changed after the collapse of the USSR.
Now the principle of survival in the wild is in use, and not the principle of cultivation.
Speaking in everyday language, it is something like: "the children got out of hand - let's make new ones, and these are for consumption, there are a lot of problems from them."
We are reaping the fruits of the activities of HSE graduates, founded in the 90s, and forging a bunch of personnel for us. Well, what has grown has grown - VSE, but their own. It is not necessary to ruin them, but to educate them. Well, new ones to grow in a new way.
It is necessary.

[for]

Rostec = Rusnano!
Chemezov = Chubais!

[Knell wardenheart]

Well, like a paradox) Technology is needed, but the people who make it plow for a penny and the enterprises are in debt.
Capitalism, you say? No, this is not capitalism. In the case of capitalism, the "managers" of these factories would already line up in neat rows in the Moscow Region, with proposals for their products, they would bring in hosts of lobbyists pushing through shooting shovels and flying tanks, they would even seep into the State Duma, regularly scaring the public with the need to have space submarines and laser-firing intercontinental nuclear aircraft carriers. And they would have sucked the defense budget of the state through a tube for one or two.

But what is happening is not just capitalism, it’s “hawking”, when grandmothers sell seeds or “snickers”, and they are brought to them once a week on “gazelles” - and they don’t care at all where they bring them from there and what’s there. And so each element of the circuit does not really hover beyond the borders of adjacent ones. Although everyone seems to be interested in profit, in stability. There are chains, but they are headless, primitive chains, like the simplest multicellular ones in comparison with the complex ones.
Here it is no longer necessary to scold this very abstract "capitalism", but those who write laws in our country and plan how everything should work. Planned, sir.

[sgrabik]

It is obvious that we urgently need to move from this sub-market failed economy to a planned military one, we will miss Russia if we lose on the battlefield now, and then we will never return it back, time will be completely lost.

[Knell wardenheart]

It is not clear to me how to act specifically now, because now "the situation is deeply running."
There are complex, "deep" and effective solutions - but these solutions do not bring immediate results, there are sharp and radical solutions, they can bring results in the short-medium term, but you will have to pay a big price for this result, including in the future. including problems.

One thing is clear to me - our economy can and will be "cheered up" with something radical and drastic, like this "transition to a planned military", but this will essentially be "shock therapy", a temporary, doping solution that will undoubtedly affect the situation in further negative. If after some time we DO NOT rebuild the economy already capitally, comprehensively and according to far-reaching plans. Just like that, it is possible to drive a horse breathing its last breath with a whip only up to a certain limit - the state of production and the level of salaries and benefits of their employees kakbe hint that either tomorrow the state will provide these people with a decent influx of shifts, decent salaries and working conditions - or the day after tomorrow it will already be customized no one or it will have no results other than paper.
Our worker should feel the growth of the attractiveness of the production sector not through some kind of linden, but through the state's focus on wages, working conditions and labor guarantees. The worker should develop objective interests (of a material nature, first of all) in professional development and expansion of competence - we must follow the path of the best world examples, making a highly qualified, sought-after specialist out of the "working bee". To do this, the state needs large-scale, high-quality plans and, most importantly, ambitious tasks in them - such as the phased replacement of imported products in a number of categories, with subsequent entry into competition for it in neighboring markets. A phased transition from the stupid export of resources to the export of demanded products made from these resources - instead of oil - fuels and lubricants, petrochemicals, plastics, rubber. Instead of pilnyak - wood products, recycled wood at worst. We must make an unequivocal and far-reaching stake on the robotization of industry (including by using our own technologies) and the development of a culture of private corporatization by citizens of young enterprises in the country.
And so on and so forth. I wrote about this here once - from the fact that now is "not those times" the tasks outside the boundaries of today have not changed one iota.
If we do not take up our minds in building up economic and industrial power, there will be no place for us in this century, and in a series of disappointments and misunderstandings, many events of the current NWO will seem to us truly flowers against the backdrop of what can be expected in the future, even when the dust of this situation settles .

[bbss]

Capitalismus... To run hucksters into the affairs of the Army is suicide.

[Landwarrior]

And what's surprising about this, when now the state ideology is "Urvi dough!"?

[shipman57]

One word - TRADERS! Until our president turns to the Soviet legacy, everything will be stolen! You can’t sit on 2 chairs: on the one hand, “Get up, people’s country!”, And on the other, no matter how you offend someone! The country will rise, but the government must be with the people!

[DenVB]

So, we solemnly build TWO factories for the repair of armored vehicles, in parallel we destroy TWELVE.

As well as with hospitals, with schools, kindergartens. We close and sell to commerce for a pittance about five pieces, pathetically building one.

[Postcode]

In peacetime, the existing states of the Armed Forces did not need such a number of repair plants, it is logical. This period coincided with a large-scale rearmament of the army, that is, those factories that produce repairs were needed to a lesser extent. If we talk, then to a greater extent about the closure of those factories that produced equipment, for example, the famous Volgograd Tractor Plant (Stalingrad), which produced BMD. It also makes sense to think about recreating the framed parts, primarily the support parts. For example, in peacetime, a trained repair battalion / brigade, which in the usual mode is engaged in the current repair of equipment, after deployment, becomes a repair plant. In the same way, you can deal with medical doctors and medical battalions, etc.

[AG-76]

At least return the articles for sabotage, etc. to the Criminal Code,
and start mass “cleanings”, “plantings”, etc. ...

[Devil13]

The Motovilikha factories have also been going bankrupt since 2018.
What's it like without howitzers, guys?

[matsur]

And money will be allocated for bankruptcy and for construction. Don't stop people from cutting their budget. If you interfere, you will be accused of rocking the boat. It's not patriotic, you know.

[nellyjuri]

What kind of hysteria, gentlemen bloggers? I understand your anger at the manufacturers of medical products for military first aid kits, but you don’t get involved in production.

An engineer who participated in the construction of three factories and signed interest payments is speaking to you.
If you are not in the subject, then don’t bother.
Every year I hear about shutdown factories and hysteria about this. In our region in 1991 there were 41 large sawmills, and now there are 5. Each of them employed about 300-500 people. And now on each remaining one there are 120-150. And these 5 factories saw more boards than those 41. And the amount of sawn timber is a little less, because the USSR halved the forest area, and new ones have not yet grown. What does this mean? About high mechanization and automation, the rejection of manual labor, when women from Russian villages moved forty-kilogram boards by hand. It was terrible. Plus cutting optimization, when logs are scanned and a diagram of the optimal cut with maximum board yield is provided.
And all these modernized factories were built on the site of old workshops, and new buildings were erected. Do you think you should use the old ones? I'll tell you a secret - rebuilding old workshops for new equipment will be more expensive than building new ones. No less than twice.
Next, how will you repair equipment without a crane beam, for example? For example, do you need to remove a 500 kg engine and move it to the exit to send it for repair?

Or do you want the people in these shutdown factories you love to work the old fashioned way with a gas cutter and a sledgehammer?

In the new repair plant, I am sure that a huge power crane will be installed, with a bunch of possible operations, plus hydraulic lifts, tank position locks or infantry fighting vehicles, or self-propelled guns or armored personnel carriers, and highly qualified workers will be able to carry out a bunch of operations in automatic or semi-automatic mode , do not climb into the inspection hole and carry out welding work there in an inhuman position. Do you understand what the productivity of this plant will be? And speed? Repairs will be completed five to seven times faster. Also, gentlemen bloggers, you are forgetting about the economy. But it's not worth it.
All the sawmills I know closed not because someone wanted to close them, but because those factories that managed to modernize beat out competitors with higher prices for raw materials and the quality of their boards. And those ancient ones could not compete due to the high share of wages and energy costs, due to high labor costs per cubic meter and high specific energy consumption in the cost of the final product.

Do you want to ruin the country while maintaining primitive factories with antediluvian equipment?
So it was necessary to close factories that were not able to make quick and inexpensive repairs.
Moreover, as I understand it, the question was about moving factories closer to the west of Russia, and not about closing all factories. I’m not on the subject of defense factories, but as I understand it, there are repair factories in Russia, and probably there are already new technologies and workshops there, it’s just that the new factories will be in the European part of the country.

And one last thing. Do you think your hysteria is patriotism? No, in this case you are working as provocateurs.

[BIGLESHIY]

Why build a new plant in a new location where there are not even specialists, if you can reconstruct and modernize the old one with the presence of specialists.
The release of new equipment and the repair of “old” ones are two different technological chains.

[restless]

It’s complete nonsense that under the USSR half of the forests were cut down, under the USSR the forests were monitored and looked after by forest districts throughout the country, dead wood was removed, thinned and cleared, the local population was allowed to remove fallen trees, and after the collapse of the USSR, forest districts were destroyed, leased to foreigners for cutting, and they, in turn, cut everything and even took out the soil, and now the Chinese are doing this, so you’re singing okay, but not to the point.

[zenion]

Besides, all the equipment was destroyed, and the equipment needs repairs. This means they will buy it in China, and again a lot will stick to their hands. War is war, but the main thing is money, money on everything.

[Victor_Surname]

Stalin had '37, that's why he became the winner, we didn't have '37 and I'm afraid that we won't have industry until the end

[forester]

And again the nonsense of a knowledgeable specialist in all areas and a repeater of the Khokhlogomosekov media

[Art Pilot]

This is why Stalin is so popular among the people today.

[valera75]

Quote from cold wind

Gorbachev ruled the country for 6 years
Yeltsin less than 8 years old
Putin has been in power for 23 years.
23 years with windfall profits from the sale of oil and gas. What was done? What result?
With our potential, we could be among the top three economies in the world, and now we are asking China to sell us at least something. We buy UAVs from Iran (!!!) and rejoice in this, because no one else agrees to this. VAZ is not competitive even in an empty market. Nothing is high tech at all. We continue to fly on the "royal" rockets.
For the world, we are an empty place, a big North Korea with 2 pipes of gas and 2 pipes of oil. There is no other benefit. No science, no culture, no production.
We are a resource country for the developed countries of the West and Asia. Oil, gas, fertilizer, wheat, white workers, everything.

We are the people, for the special forces that Gostomel took, we collect money for NVGs, thermal imagers, thermal underwear, copters. Just think about these words for the SPECIAL b*tch NAZA and for the 300000 of our mobilized guys, governors, volunteers and they themselves collect and buy things .The guys are given a salary of 250k for going to war and they spend it on first aid kits and so on. And if they mobilized 2-3 million, they would go to war in Chinese slates. What can we say about the collapsed 12 repair enterprises? I have in Kuzbass, every single one of them destroyed the vocational school, where every year they trained hundreds of milling machine operators, turners, welders and mechanics, and then they began to graduate managers and accountants. Has at least one vocational school been restored? Of course not! So who will work in factories, even these non-existent 2 that Mishustin announced? To put a lathe behind the machine, you need to 1- find a training center where to train him 2- find teachers who will teach the student for years and then he will earn experience and seniority for years. and 3 - where will we find premises for study? We destroyed them in the late and mid-nineties and haven’t built a single one yet, and there has been a shortage of lathes and milling operators for many, many years, but no one cares. Will our industry come to a bright future? Maybe to be, but not in the next 10 years, this is a fact.

[Andre]

Well, I remember seeing one man in a smart suit with a smile who was hugging at international summits with.....

[Alexander_First]

Mister Roman. You again raised and partially illuminated another “Russian cataclysm” - the state of the military-industrial complex. Who can I ask about the state of things? It makes no sense to ask the last three defense ministers. They are “complete dummies” in the matter of military development, and with a whistle. The bourgeois government is like water off a duck's back. It’s impossible with the “Greatest Geopolitician” who chose the path ala Nicholas II with all the ensuing consequences. This is an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Bottom line: all that's left is to stock up on popcorn and........

[RoTTor]

Unpunished sabotage has become total and systemic

[Alexander Ershov]

Actually, this is the situation with all enterprises. Everywhere you spit, everything is destroyed. Well, it wouldn’t have worked out any other way. The private owner is not interested in the growth of the country's economy. He is for himself. All!!!

[klara]

This is not a government corporation. This is a typical thieves' office under the state name, where debts are nationalized and incomes are privatized. like the state itself, it has long been privatized and turned into a source of income, as it should be in a criminal oligarchic state. Such a state is not capable of ensuring security and development, it is not capable of fighting. War for him is a way to make money. It has no right to exist, since it kills its citizens every day, turned into a breeding ground. Any other will be fairer and more useful.

[klara]

Quote from nellyjuri

Do you want to ruin the country while maintaining primitive factories with antediluvian equipment?

You've already ruined her. What in return? Why is there no equipment at the front? Where are the aircraft and tanks? hail, BMP?! Stealing money to destroy old industries without having new ones is a capital crime, high treason!

[klara]

Quote: Alexander_First

It makes no sense to ask the last three defense ministers.

Who appointed them? That's why there's demand.

[klara]

Quote from nellyjuri

Every year I hear about shutdown factories and hysteria about this. In our region in 1991 there were 41 large sawmills,

Uncle, is it jammed? We're talking about RZ! About equipment for the front! Today, not in your happy future

[TatarinSSSR]

Where can you read really positive articles on VO? Not fairy tales from the press service of the Ministry of Defense, but simply positive articles where everything is good in the army?

[Leonid Tsyganov]

If you want peace, prepare for war. Stalin is not on them. Some recyclers and traders. He himself left a supervisory company in the oil industry, which was disposed of, grabbing the dough without paying half a million of the hard workers' wages.

[yuriy55]

Thank Roman for the article and...there’s nothing more to say...

[Comandor777]

Thank you SVO!!! Now we know who the real enemy of the country is...

[sopot]

Friend (#youknowwhom) Chemezov was placed (#youknowwhom) in this chair not for the development of industry, but to direct financial flows, albeit from the sale of enterprises into the RIGHT HANDS.
Putin, Chemezov’s owner, is an eternal temporary worker, here are your goals, here are your results...

[DO]

They will say that everything was done according to the law.
According to the law of peacetime. Now the time is completely different.
It is customary for us, after reading such articles, to ask the question: “And what does the author propose?”.
The author suggests that the relevant structures of the Ministry of Defense immediately intervene.

Here, the FSB should immediately intervene first and foremost.

[SkyMaXX]

All defense enterprises must be kept under tight control.

[Crisp]

The article is clearly provocative. No evidence. Photos of factories being written off and destroyed. Not from the outside, but from the inside. It is not walls that are needed, but equipment from our military production. And see for yourself that reviving THIS is orders of magnitude more expensive, and the result is the restoration of production from the mid-20th century. I am well aware of Soviet production facilities that should have been demolished to hell 50 years ago. Archaic cannot create not only something new, but also something that is sufficiently acceptable. Not Rostec. But their Soviet past.

The last photo is BECOME.

[Goldmitro]

In any city you can give a lot of examples of destroyed factories and behind everything “the ears of effective managers stick out.”

There are simply no words! It’s high time to introduce the concept of “effective manager” into the management company, equating it to a foreign agent and start shaking this scum!

[amr]

Rostec is my personal example of servicing the Balaklava and Tavricheskaya thermal power plants in Crimea, we serviced these thermal power plants for safety systems, put out a new tender with worse conditions, which I did not accept because they reduced the cost of work by 20%, while the total cost of the contract was raised by 20% but at the expense of additional work, arguing that you come in and then we will re-sign the contract! As a result, all 3 companies that reached the finals boarded and chose the ROSTECH subsidiary team with the highest price..... and stupidly all my employees were lured there!!!! they just came to the finished product and squeezed it out, not everything is legally legal, since I couldn’t immediately find another amount of work for my 10 people, etc.... but the very fact is how delicate everything is!!!
offensively!

[tarez]

Everything is in the style of wild feudal capitalism....
Everything for your pocket! And the main profit from construction projects... production from the point of view of capitalism is unprofitable...
Add to list "90 experimental plant" the workshops of which have been demolished and the territory is put up for sale..
But once upon a time...
The company produced workshops such as TRM-A-49, TRM-B-49, KM-4320M, TRM-95U, MES-95, electric and gas welding workshops, mobile stations for charging and repairing batteries, and optics repair workshops. One of the main tasks of the enterprise was the testing and production of improved types of workshops for servicing armored vehicles and automotive vehicles (based on the ZIL-157 and ZIL-131 chassis). The 90 Experimental Plant mastered the production of sets of command and staff vehicles based on the URAL-37 chassis.
The plant made a significant contribution to the technical equipment of Soviet and Russian troops. Mobile repair shops became a mainstay in the operation of armored vehicles of the USSR and Russia. The activities of the enterprise were highly appreciated by foreign partners: in the period from 1970 to 2000, Armored Repair Plant No. 90 exported products to more than 30 countries.