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France to supply Ukraine with a batch of Bastion armored personnel carriers

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France to supply Ukraine with a batch of Bastion armored personnel carriers

After the four former regions of Ukraine became part of Russia, in Europe, under pressure from the United States, they decided to increase arms supplies to Kyiv. France is showing particular zeal in this matter, having already announced the transfer to Ukraine of a batch of 155-mm Caesar self-propelled guns, previously promised to Denmark. But Paris did not stop there and has already announced the transfer of Bastion armored personnel carriers to Kyiv.


France plans to send a batch of Bastion armored personnel carriers to Ukraine. According to La Tribun, the French promised Kyiv 20 armored cars. Delivery dates are not known, the contract for the production of armored personnel carriers will be concluded between the French Ministry of Defense and the manufacturer Arquus, owned by the Swedish Volvo group. When it is planned to sign the agreement is not known, but the delivery of armored cars to Ukraine can be completed as soon as possible.

Bastion is a French 4x4 multi-purpose armored personnel carrier manufactured by Acmat, also classified as an armored all-wheel drive army off-road vehicle for transporting eight military personnel with equipment. According to available information, it will be delivered to Ukraine in a version with the possibility of installing a heavy machine gun. The armor can withstand a 7,62 mm bullet. The armored car was specially designed for use in Africa and the Middle East.

Weight - 12 tons, max. speed - 110 km / h, crew - 2 people + eight landing people. It is possible to install a 12,7 or 7,62 mm machine gun. It can be used as a medical vehicle, command or communications vehicle.

Earlier in Paris, they announced that by the end of the year they would begin training Ukrainian military personnel, training would be carried out on the territory of Poland.
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  1. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 3 October 2022 18: 26
    0
    It is necessary to build a new plant for the melting of scrap metal.
    Swing swords at yelling!
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 3 October 2022 18: 53
      0
      Apparently for a couple of first peaceful years, the main source of income for the new regions will be agriculture and the supply of scrap metal
      1. Sergei V
        Sergei V 3 October 2022 21: 08
        +2
        the first, as always, uryapatriots, have been destroying equipment from the sofa for more than six months
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 3 October 2022 19: 01
      +2
      Swing swords at yelling!

      As Prince Alexander Yaroslavich used to say: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will immediately receive it in a plowshare .."
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 3 October 2022 20: 05
        +6
        and also as in a joke about a stewardess "and now, with all this shit and such a colossus, we will try to take off!". France did not develop armor for our lane, their use zoning is North Africa, so for each such coffin KRAZ must be given in addition to be towed. It's like using snowmobiles to ski in the mountains of Afghanistan.
        1. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 3 October 2022 20: 21
          +2
          in fairness to your statement, the Amer and British mraps are already stuck, and it hasn’t really rained yet, the tanks are drowning in our mud ... and then overseas pontarezes were brought in
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 3 October 2022 22: 11
            0
            where our tanks are sinking - no one will even crawl hundreds of meters away, even the American infantry on their belly.
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 08: 03
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          I thought about the same, a very large armored personnel carrier and the formula is 4 by 4, and even, judging by the photo, according to the MCI system, and there they have a problem with capsizing.
        3. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 October 2022 16: 52
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          Quote: Fisherman
          It's like using snowmobiles to ski in the mountains of Afghanistan.

          Poorly know the realities of Afghanistan! Because downhill and in winter snowmobiles are the topic! wassat
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 3 October 2022 22: 49
      +1
      It is necessary to build a new plant for the melting of scrap metal.



      Not tired of writing nonsense, after a month of retreat and leaving the enemy a bunch of equipment, including the most modern models ?!

      It's time to take the enemy more seriously, until they retreated to Moscow, to the best positions.
  2. ASM
    ASM 3 October 2022 18: 28
    +1
    Well, the francs give - they are being crushed from Africa right now, and they are ready to move the last to the outskirts. Even the Germans understood, but not these yet.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 3 October 2022 18: 54
      +1
      Well, not so much pressure and far from the last alloy. So boo to boo. Businesses however.
      1. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 3 October 2022 20: 23
        -1
        CAR, Mali, Burkino Faso, there is so much rare earth needed by the whole world that the hair stands on end, for the keepers minus the non-sour source of income + minus the uranium they need so much
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 08: 04
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        Well, where is not so pressured? The third state broke away, is it not enough for you?
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 4 October 2022 17: 33
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          Well, it remains to be seen how long it has broken off. The breakaway countries have armies that are sane, and special services, well, can they hold out for a week? And France has it for sure. And in the light of the energy star in storage and the EU, the French may decide to directly occupy the countries they need for resources. And very much even can physically if absolutely pripret.
  3. Nexcom
    Nexcom 3 October 2022 18: 28
    +6
    I have a question purely out of curiosity - didn’t the protoukry get sick of retraining for all this diversity in their newly established zoo? or are there those who previously studied on something - have they all been disposed of and is it fresh to learn a new one?
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 3 October 2022 18: 57
      +1
      Well, the bigger the zoo, the better for us. And protoukry apparently do not bother at all. For a new car for free, they catch a new mykola and go ahead, blow it up, ask for a new one.
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 3 October 2022 19: 16
        +1
        Well, that's how I roughly understood - for each disposable armored car - for a disposable mykol
      2. poquello
        poquello 3 October 2022 20: 53
        0
        Quote: evgen1221
        Well, the bigger the zoo, the better for us.

        the bigger the zoo, the bigger the exhibition on Kubinka
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 3 October 2022 22: 54
      -1
      Why move there? Anyone can drive a car if there are rights with the right category.

      And everything else from communications to artillery is of the same standard and works the same way as Soviet models.

      Dispose of all only in the reports of the RF Ministry of Defense, but in reality the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing in all directions, and we are retreating.

      Yes, there are more of them, only mobilization in Ukraine was not a secret, what was our General Staff waiting for ?!

      Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have a shortage of anything, either in people, or in equipment, or in artillery, and they still use aviation to this day.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 4 October 2022 17: 37
        0
        Excessively emotional. Exhale, take valerian, turn on the moss. And everything will not be so categorical.
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 5 October 2022 16: 55
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      Quote: Nexcom
      protoukry not tired of retraining

      Why study there, it's not even a three-axle VAB! The truck is banal and that's it. And they are not going to repair, kmk. hi
  4. Buyan
    Buyan 3 October 2022 18: 29
    +1
    French toads ... although what to expect from a president who has an old age every day wassat
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 18: 30
      +6
      nope, this old age has him every day - and he agrees to everything
  5. azkolt
    azkolt 3 October 2022 18: 29
    -7
    Well, where are these comrades. which have recently been vigorously declared. that now we will quickly burn them out? Start bragging!!! In, I didn’t notice, one peppy fight with proxy has already drawn!
    I would like to add more to him. if dill in jeeps have put our defense in the Liman region on their ears, then these are far from toys!
    1. poquello
      poquello 3 October 2022 20: 57
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      Quote: azkolt
      I would like to add more to him. if dill in jeeps have put our defense in the Liman region on their ears, then these are far from toys!

      and then! fly, jump, make a barrel and Pugachev's cobra
  6. S. Sergei
    S. Sergei 3 October 2022 18: 31
    +14
    On 2 axles, without double tires on the rear axle? Yes, on the soggy Ukrainian black soil? Oh well...
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 3 October 2022 19: 02
      -2
      Comrade expert, if you didn’t notice a little, near Kharkov and later near Krasny Liman, mobile groups of ukrov, the very ones that nightmared the rear and cut the tracks, operated quite successfully on pickup trucks of various colors, on 2 axles, without double tires on the rear axle and on the same soggy Ukrainian black soil and for some reason, such bastards, didn’t get stuck at the same time.

      Can you please tell me how this madness came about?
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 3 October 2022 19: 07
        +1
        so what are you putting nails under the ass of iksperdams with your questions? you have to be softer with people (c) lol
        1. Lex_is
          Lex_is 3 October 2022 19: 25
          0
          The comrade experts were upset for some reason, there were no words, only the paws on the minus button frantically lingered.
          And I just wanted to know the great secret of selective stuck technology in the black soil and why this stuck is so terrible, as if the technique is annihilated in this case.
          1. lucul
            lucul 3 October 2022 20: 35
            +2
            And I just wanted to know the great secret of selective jamming of equipment in black soil and why is this stuck so awful, as if the technique is annihilated.

            Do you really not understand the disadvantages of an immobilized vehicle in combat? ))))
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          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 3 October 2022 20: 48
            +1
            acted on assorted pickup trucks
            Here you have revealed
            the great secret of selective jamming technique
            A commercial pickup truck has a wheel load of about 600 kg.
          3. mad big
            mad big 3 October 2022 20: 52
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            I worked there for almost a year and a half. There has been no autumn yet in its thaw. So the Urals easily sit in the fields.
          4. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 08: 12
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            Well, because you confused the time of year a little, this time. We have a front of 4-6 fighters per kilometer of the front - that's two, and those who have not yet been mobilized for Ukraine will backfire - that's three, while they are being trained.
            Even half-dressed and poorly trained reserves will increase the density of troops and you won’t be able to ride carts anymore, is that clearer?
            1. Lex_is
              Lex_is 4 October 2022 08: 45
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              Yes true?
              I dream of seeing people like you nearby, in a position where such a cart shied away somewhere behind the heaps and ruins and, leaning out from different positions, worked out meters from 800m. There, tell me what kind of crap it is and demonstrate how you skillfully destroy it.
              1. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 09: 45
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                For starters, I'll see her, huh? And just like that, she will no longer pass to the rear, what is the operational density of troops, you really don’t know.
                Just an example from history, somehow Chapaev's division crawled between two white corps, such was the density of troops. Or Denikin, advancing on Moscow, had about 150 thousand fighters, despite the fact that he had to butt heads with the Petliurists and the Dashnaks, having Makhno in the rear, and there were about the same number of Reds, and this was on a huge front. That is why the cavalry taxied there, and the carts are nothing more than their analogue.
                So understandable ?!
                1. Lex_is
                  Lex_is 4 October 2022 10: 02
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                  In the sense that you do not plan to honor the line of contact with your presence?
                  It is sad.

                  And yes, for the note of a connoisseur of tactics and operational densities, this crap, if not strange, can work from the front because of buildings and terrain, and even in defense.
                  And in order to get this crap from 500-600 m, you need a fairly experienced ATGM operator, or a copter with an experienced operator and communication at the other end of which will be an intelligent gunner. A tank or an infantry fighting vehicle will be able to do the same, but you can hear them and Ukrainians under them, if not completely stupid people get caught, don’t be substituted.
                  1. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 10: 30
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                    And you, presumably, are scribbling straight from the front line. It will be necessary, I will visit, don’t worry, the main thing is that. Back in 2014, my wife barely kept me from traveling to the Donbass, pointing her finger at the Donetsk loafers that hung around here, and I am a participant in the anti-Maidan, and the Crimean spring with the referendum, and I don’t have any awards for that, and in FIG I don’t need them, but Excuse me, can you only knock on the keys?
                    I don’t need about tactics, you haven’t learned the main thing, once again, for those who are not native Russian. The cart will not pass to the rear, well, you can’t be so alternatively sharp if the density is higher.
                    What you voiced, yes, will be done, but against such two or three cars it won’t be a pity for a hail pack, are there not yellowmouths sitting in jeeps right? And that's where the tactical tricks end.
                    Well, or the tank will come out, do they have many options against the tank, figure? Yes, just towed artillery, can you imagine how fun it is to run from a howitzer, even if it is a D-1 of the 1943 model, such ones are used in the LPR, when he himself saw them on TV.
                    Now about the audibility, how much does the tank shoot? They will definitely hear it while on the move, this is not a T-34 that rumbled like a tank platoon. And if the ukrovs don’t have excellent acoustics at hand, you can rev up with a matalyga.
                    Funny you, honestly, make a problem where there is none.
                    1. Lex_is
                      Lex_is 4 October 2022 10: 51
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                      No, not from the front. But I’ve been there a little bit, I’ve seen how it happens live, and in a month and a half I’ll go there again.
                      I really hope to meet you there.
                      "Necessary" if you still have not noticed, it has long come.
                      Doer.
                      1. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 11: 22
                        0
                        It is necessary, so I will be corrected once again back. There is a friend with database experience and he was sent, although there is still no half a dozen, a paratrooper.
                        But for some reason I don't believe you. Sorry, but I got the feeling of a pimply kid who plays tanks, the reactions in real life are zero, but he plays perfectly. If I'm wrong, then I apologize in advance, but to see your knowledge is somewhat inferior to mine. I didn’t start building structures, anyone understands what the density of troops is, you don’t understand.
                      2. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 4 October 2022 11: 29
                        0
                        Yes, about density it is clear to anyone, except for Internet strategists.
                        The density in the defense, according to the charter, is 10 km per battalion, 20-25 (in mobile defense 60) per brigade, while a second echelon and reserves are needed. Also, any educated person knows that any defense is broken through by the enemy, who has the initiative and the ability to identify the lowest density of troops and concentrate his troops in the place of the breakthrough.

                        Is there anything else you want to say about density?
                      3. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 15: 53
                        0
                        Of course I want to, they would immediately say there would be no questions, but I also know how to google, the Soviet rifle division occupied, according to the charter, from 8 to 12 km.
                        N: why the hell to talk about the folds of the terrain? I was also pinned here about the Kherson direction about the steppe, you steppe then, didn’t you see this? I showed you my love for small breakthroughs of the DRG on a historical example, are there any questions in essence? HERE is three pickup trucks, and the road is not empty, they drove off, looked at another, and there is not empty, and everything is moving.
                        Even if you imagine that you are with combat experience and again trample on the front, as you say, your mind falls short of something. This is how the lieutenant's prose was criticized in Soviet times, because the lieutenant's horizon is narrow.
                      4. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 4 October 2022 16: 09
                        0
                        If you knew how to count a little, perhaps you would realize that such densities are unattainable at the present time.
                        Continue to fantasize from the couch further about Chapaev's cavalry
                        I will be sent back again.
                        )))

                        I, unlike you, did not write hundreds of strategic comments here in January-July. Was busy with other things. But you keep telling how you got back, like "tomorrow, if necessary..."
                        Good luck.
                      5. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 16: 21
                        0
                        And I, unlike you, have been on the site since 2013, and when a bunch of commentators crawled through, I could not stand it and intervened. Moreover, I read comments with great interest, until people like you appeared.
                        You really are not the worst option, but I remember the invasion of Azerbaijani bots here, for example, and before that, the analysis of the Abrams tank, when they tried to prove to one pepper that the MBT was for what and he was a fan of the United States, it’s a pity these people left there and the designer was and the diagrams of the tiger skating rinks were drawn do you remember that? And I remember, as I remember, how one clown began to insert his pistons about McCain's ram, in the sense of the ship. This guy is from Israel and he died and I kept reading.
                        I, too, am busy with no less important things, our bureaucracy is fed from my taxes.
                      6. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 4 October 2022 17: 09
                        0
                        Your impressive internet victories since 2013 don't really interest me, just like your taxes.
                        Have fun yourself.

                        I'm just saying that in order to return somewhere you need to at least go there, right?

                        Prosperity to your shop and further victories in the Internet battles.
                      7. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 17: 31
                        0
                        Type with a show-off under an umbrella. You climbed into my personal and looked, you got a thrashing, it's common, right?
                      8. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 4 October 2022 17: 57
                        -1
                        Why should I be offended?
                        From your lies and stupid pouting?
                        Absolutely not.
                        Have fun for your health.
                      9. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 19: 17
                        0
                        And from your stupidity, isn't it insulting? Do not say no, since you have become personal. I understand everything, I've been living for a long time.
                      10. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 4 October 2022 19: 30
                        -1
                        Well, let's talk about stupidity.
                        Essentially and point by point:
                        1. A large-caliber machine gun from the enemy is very unpleasant, because with the regular means of a platoon you will get his figs and he will get you.
                        2. Krupnyak on wheels is doubly unpleasant, because this cattle can quickly move forward and move away.
                        3. The means of amplification that this muck can get is not the fact that there is, not the fact that there is a stable connection with them, and not the fact that they will be able to get it.
                        4. Very smart citizens who from the couch find it all very funny are highly recommended to first lift their ass off the couch, personally find this muck stuck in the mud and hammer it with a slipper, or whatever they can.

                        After that, together with these citizens, I will laugh joyfully and shake their strong hand from the bottom of my heart, looking into their intelligent and courageous eyes.

                        And yes, these comrades can personally tell the fathers of the commanders about the density and peculiarities of tactics there and even, if they are lucky, put their deep knowledge and military leadership talents into practice.

                        That's clearer?
                      11. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 19: 58
                        0
                        Come on, because you didn’t understand the main thing, I’m not talking about what troubles a cart can do from the word at all. I'm talking about the fact that she will not go far. Well, as an example, the film Chapaev, an armored car arrived there and distributed it to everyone in full, but he came to the headquarters, nobody stopped him with the Cossacks, in fact, there was no armored car there, just the Cossacks leaked and did everything.
                        Therefore, what does your construction have to do with it if you did not understand the formulation of the question? Well, the platoon will be pinned down by two or three carts, but they, damn it, carts, were found out and they won’t play hooligans in the rear. For example, they will not shoot a transport convoy, a hospital, they will not pat the railway station.
                        It. I want to swear, is it difficult for you to understand?
        2. poquello
          poquello 3 October 2022 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: Nexcom
          so what are you putting nails under the ass of iksperdams with your questions? you have to be softer with people (c) lol

          or see the weather and a map of events, but this is different))))
      2. Kiril Letov
        Kiril Letov 3 October 2022 19: 58
        +3
        Your sarcasm is not without foundation. But the opinion of the comrade above did not come from the ceiling. Of course, this is better than nothing, but the patency of this 12 ton crap on difficult ground is really in doubt.
      3. lucul
        lucul 3 October 2022 20: 34
        -1
        Can you please tell me how this madness came about?

        You better tell me how it didn’t work out near Kherson?))))
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 3 October 2022 19: 20
      0
      On 2 axles, without double tires on the rear axle? Yes, on the soggy Ukrainian black soil? Oh well...
      And how do you think double Osinovka affects off-road patency? Do you really think that this is for cross-country ability?
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 3 October 2022 22: 54
      0
      Tanks will not pass through the soggy black soil.
  7. Buyan
    Buyan 3 October 2022 18: 32
    -2
    Quote: Nexcom
    nope, this old age has him every day - and he agrees to everything

    Well, here their affairs are dark wassat but the psyche is definitely not at odds there (with Monsieur "Napoleon")
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 18: 39
      -1
      we, European tolerants, cannot understand them ....
  8. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 3 October 2022 18: 40
    +1
    Offended Macaron, like a windy girl, sometimes tries to get through to Putin, sometimes like Ukre helps.
    negative
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 18: 43
      +4
      and it is of simultaneous two-hole use - why be surprised then? he is a multitasker.
    2. ZoV
      ZoV 3 October 2022 18: 59
      -1
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Offended Macaron, like a windy girl, sometimes tries to get through to Putin, sometimes like Ukre helps.
      negative

      "Peacemaker" damn .. All of them are there in Europe and you can't trust anyone
  9. Yuri Veselov
    Yuri Veselov 3 October 2022 18: 46
    +1
    they only disperse blacks in Africa ...
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 3 October 2022 19: 08
      +3
      disperse blacks in Africa


      Blacks are not the same laughing .
  10. Skipper
    Skipper 3 October 2022 18: 46
    +5
    The fate of these frog armored cars awaits like the mattress max pro .... that is, drown in the wilds of Ukraine. BTR-82A weighs 15.4 tons on 4 axles ... and this one is 12 tons on two axles, that is, 6 tons on one axle - it will stupidly sink.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 18: 50
      +1
      well, maybe soon in Africa someone will start flaunting French armored cars "destroyed in the battles on Krajina" .... they are the very thing there against spears and arrows from bows - almost like a tank. if the current partisans from Angola don’t come out and burn it all to hell with the good old Ketai copy of the RPG-7
  11. Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 3 October 2022 18: 48
    -1
    hmm, self-preservation instincts are completely beaten off
  12. Emergency
    Emergency 3 October 2022 18: 48
    +3
    Do not go to a fortuneteller - a coffin on wheels.
  13. Wildcat
    Wildcat 3 October 2022 18: 49
    +1
    It's strange why they drive new Bastions? When there are a bunch of decommissioned VABs that they already sent?
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 19: 09
      +1
      Really, Saxon must be driven - Ukrainians turn over on them even when sober
  14. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 3 October 2022 18: 51
    -2
    for use in Africa and the Middle East.
    Just in time for the Eastern European thaw yes .
  15. ZoV
    ZoV 3 October 2022 18: 56
    -1
    It will be a good goal, you won’t be mistaken and the motivation is especially to destroy NATO armored vehicles. Here the soldiers no longer need to explain why and against whom we are fighting!
    1. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 3 October 2022 19: 14
      +3
      Here I completely agree with you. It’s convenient that you can’t confuse it with ours, but plant it with an RPG in such a device wassat pure pleasure!
      1. ZoV
        ZoV 3 October 2022 19: 34
        -1
        Quote: Retvizan 8
        It’s convenient that it’s definitely not to be confused with ours, but it’s a pleasure to plant wassat in such a device with an RPG!

        This is exactly how the satisfaction will be special from this .. How our grandfathers and great-grandfathers burned German armored vehicles.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 08: 16
          +1
          And the French, by the way, were also burned and the Czech, there were enough different things in the Wehrmacht.
          1. ZoV
            ZoV 4 October 2022 17: 53
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Salenko
            And the French, by the way, were also burned and the Czech, there were enough different things in the Wehrmacht.

            Germans from all over Europe collected armored vehicles to attack the USSR. And the Czech Republic was generally one of the leading countries in the production of weapons in Europe (surrendered without a single shot to the Wehrmacht)
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 19: 16
              0
              Duc, but we do not argue, I'm talking about the same thing.
              1. ZoV
                ZoV 4 October 2022 19: 49
                -2
                Quote: Alexander Salenko
                Duc, but we do not argue, I'm talking about the same thing.

                Understood . It's just that something like this is happening again against Russia again. That's the problem, and Russia is no longer the USSR.
  16. opuonmed
    opuonmed 3 October 2022 19: 12
    0
    all and sundry are sent to Ukraine and the Russian Federation does not destroy the rear infrastructure!
    1. ZoV
      ZoV 3 October 2022 19: 37
      -4
      Quote: opuonmed
      all and sundry are sent to Ukraine and the Russian Federation does not destroy the rear infrastructure!

      This is potentially our territory, then we will restore everything, and so far they are protecting it .. I think this is the tactic while they are destroying manpower and armored vehicles hi
      1. opuonmed
        opuonmed 3 October 2022 19: 40
        0
        Quote from ZOV
        Quote: opuonmed
        all and sundry are sent to Ukraine and the Russian Federation does not destroy the rear infrastructure!

        This is potentially our territory, then we will restore everything, and so far they are protecting it .. I think this is the tactic while they are destroying manpower and armored vehicles hi

        This is in my opinion a bred strategy! you need to take care of the army and not play giveaways, I shoot there and don’t shoot, so you can stumble and fall painfully, but it will be too late then you will definitely need to use nuclear weapons! well, that's my opinion!
        1. ZoV
          ZoV 3 October 2022 21: 01
          0
          Quote: opuonmed
          Quote from ZOV
          Quote: opuonmed
          all and sundry are sent to Ukraine and the Russian Federation does not destroy the rear infrastructure!

          This is potentially our territory, then we will restore everything, and so far they are protecting it .. I think this is the tactic while they are destroying manpower and armored vehicles hi

          This is in my opinion a bred strategy! you need to take care of the army and not play giveaways, I shoot there and don’t shoot, so you can stumble and fall painfully, but it will be too late then you will definitely need to use nuclear weapons! well, that's my opinion!

          Well, there was such a hope that Kyiv would change power .. But you are right, you will have to wet the Anglo-Saxons settled there tightly. hi
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 3 October 2022 20: 51
        0
        This is potentially our territory
        This approach makes Russian territories potentially Ukrainian.
        1. ZoV
          ZoV 3 October 2022 21: 07
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          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          This is potentially our territory
          This approach makes Russian territories potentially Ukrainian.

          Well, you wrote it strangely in vain .. Potentially Anglo-Saxons, I still understand here. Ukraine, as such, has long been gone, there are NATO mercenaries with weapons and funding on the territory of Ukraine (by the way, their borders were never declared at the UN)
          Here is such an incident in the world legal practice!
          In fact, Ukraine is the territory of the USSR, and Russia is its follower with all legal rights ..
      3. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 08: 21
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        Well, before the offensive in the Kharkiv region, it was possible to move out like that, but now that we have gone almost completely on the defensive, it seems to me that we need to think about something else. How to go on the offensive again.
        In Simferopol, about 3 years ago, they found a bomb of 250 kg, they said that it was German, they targeted it at the railway bridge, well, it fell nearby and silted up. But it could also be a Soviet bomb. The battle for Simferopol went on only when it was liberated for about 16 hours, but the city was seriously damaged by the bombing of both German and our aircraft. Do you think no one thought about the restoration?
        The captured Germans then built a new station for us, much better and more beautiful than the previous one, though almost 9 years after the war, but they did the same. So the question is now what to save if we retreat?
  17. Roust
    Roust 3 October 2022 19: 35
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    Again!? Will we take Paris again!? And order vodka at the bistro!?
  18. Serge Petrof
    Serge Petrof 3 October 2022 19: 47
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    I wonder if this kalymaga will be equipped with a "potbelly stove"? And then the boys freeze to a vigorous mother. This is not Africa or the Middle East. "Mikola, you'll jump in with a taratayka. I can't, the dupa froze to the bench!"
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 4 October 2022 08: 24
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      It can be quite cold in Africa, in fact, read about the temperature difference in the deserts, why do you think the Berbers wrap themselves up like that? And tropical Africa, there is a problem of humidity, and what's worse is another question.
      By the way, Guderian admitted in his memoirs that when the frost hit, it became easier to fight.
  19. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 3 October 2022 20: 22
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    Quote: antiaircrafter
    It is necessary to build a new plant for the melting of scrap metal.
    Swing swords at yelling!

    At such a pace, it’s time to learn Ukrainian already ...
  20. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 3 October 2022 20: 24
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    Judging by the comments, the Holga army is using the last reserve - juvenile degenerates who have not pressed acne on their face ...
  21. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 3 October 2022 20: 46
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    Shahid-mobile - there are many of them today. As for the conditions in Africa, they hit the mark!
  22. azkolt
    azkolt 3 October 2022 21: 16
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    Quote: poquello
    Quote: azkolt
    I would like to add more to him. if dill in jeeps have put our defense in the Liman region on their ears, then these are far from toys!

    and then! fly, jump, make a barrel and Pugachev's cobra

    I advise you not to sit here and read yesterday's news, but to read, for example, Poddubny, he seems to be writing about how dill nightmare our jeeps. By the way. they broke through the defenses in the Balakleya area on them, don’t you know?))))
  23. azkolt
    azkolt 3 October 2022 21: 18
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    Quote: Vladimir Michailovich
    Judging by the comments, the Holga army is using the last reserve - juvenile degenerates who have not pressed acne on their face ...

    Haven't you been mobilized in Upyriya yet? Wait, our mobiles will come there and you will go!))) I want to remind you that there are 150 thousand of us there, and there are 750 of you, and so far they have managed to free only what ours deliberately conceded in order to maintain the southern direction!))))