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Time to count the tanks again

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Time to count the tanks again



Alarm time


In the information war, we have finally achieved a turning point - almost nowhere else is there room for lies and primitive propaganda. It could be expected that the public would immediately be on the verge of panic because of this, but, as we see, it did not happen. We are mobilizing. Leisurely...

Alarmism, apparently, should generally be addressed to colleagues in the pen. However, in most cases, of course, we are not talking about panic, but about anxiety and pain for those who will inevitably suffer as a result of a series of enemy “overwhelms”. For someone unexpected, but, most likely, at the moment, alas, inevitable.

The authors have already twice been counting the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the defense forces and other evil spirits, focusing almost exclusively on tanks (When we began to count tanks). For a long time, the indicators seemed to be dry numbers, not only inspiring, but encouraging.

And the day of Victory, which in Russia by no means everyone “brought closer” as best they could, seemed so close. Now this day, hardly anyone will argue, has noticeably moved away. It is not easy to say how much, but we have everything we need and the strength to bring it closer again. And a lot of power.

Another thing is that the enemy, in spite of everything, is still, as it was once not said by us, "strong and dangerous." In some ways, over the past two or three months, he even became significantly stronger. Especially in terms of high military technology.

And perhaps the most dangerous thing is that for quite a long time it has been impossible to talk about the domination of the Russian aviation in the air. However, this is not about that. Here - again about the tanks. It is they who plow those kilometers along which the infantry will pass. With proper use, with which we are still far from all right, tanks should eventually tear the enemy front.

In the spring, although it is unpleasant to admit, it did not work out - bypassing wings, just tank ones, firmly sat down near Kharkov and in Mariupol. But a new decisive assault lies ahead. And so far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to our luck, have not received real tank reinforcements from NATO.

Decision time


When the battalions go on the attack, it's not for us to decide. In the meantime, according to many signs, it is imperative to withstand a series of counteroffensives, even if sacrificing part of the liberated territories. This is hard, it is somewhat ruthless or even shameful, and moral damage is sometimes worse than material.

But the effect of mobilization cannot be instantaneous. So for now, our agenda is counting the next dozens of destroyed Nazi tanks. And with this, the allied forces, which are now all Russian, in recent months, things were, to put it mildly, not very good. The other day, General Konashenkov, who has already become legendary in his own way, once again announced the losses of the enemy.


Among them there are such data - more than 5 destroyed tanks and other armored vehicles. This figure, which is actually not false, also hit the TV screens - especially clearly on the Izvestia channel. Now in defense, the statistics of the Russian Defense Ministry will again go up and, possibly, very quickly. Although for those who are now “under the occupiers” again, this is hardly easier.

Yes, of those 12 thousand that were listed for the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the beginning of the special operation, not even half have been knocked out so far. And this is certainly not inspiring, although many knew that before the SVO, almost half of the rest was scrap metal, nothing more. That is why it is impossible not to remember that at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, on our part, there was simply a monstrous superiority over the Germans in tanks.

Against 3 Nazi tanks, more than 712 tanks were concentrated in our mechanized corps, albeit according to the norms and in peacetime positions. But we must not forget that almost all obsolete armored vehicles had exhausted their resources, spare parts were no longer prepared for them, and there were considerable problems with fuel.


Those of our tanks did not even have walkie-talkies, except for commanders, and even then sometimes only in companies. Hundreds and even thousands of utterly hackneyed T-26s and BT-5s fought back in the very first summer battles of 1941, when there was simply nothing to replace them. At the same time, 1 brand new T-475s and KVs (as of June 34) have not yet been properly mastered by many crews.

The Germans also suffered colossal losses that the military industry of almost all of Europe did not have time to make up for. It is well known that by December 1941, the beginning of our counter-offensive near Moscow, there were 1,5 (only one and a half, and this is at best) thousands of more or less serviceable tanks on both sides of the front. Only slightly more than half of them were involved in the battle for Moscow.

It is impossible not to admit this, but the Nazi Wehrmacht in the first, and in the second year of the war, was in many ways superior to the Red Army. And above all - in combat experience, although we had Khalkhin Gol and Lake Khasan behind us, the Liberation Campaign of 1939 and the Finnish campaign.


In 1941, the enemy army was excellently equipped for at least four or five months in advance and was generally balanced. By the summer of 1942, the Germans regained their senses, and in our country, the superiority of the Red Army in tanks and guns, which had increased over the winter, was still not supported by superiority in ammunition. Yes, and in operational and strategic terms, too.

Time to win


A few words about ammunition would be appropriate here. Our military historians do not often recall that the most important advantage in shells, bullets and bombs remained with the Germans until the middle of 1944. There are fewer guns and tanks, but they can shoot more.

And this is despite the lend-lease and the successful evacuation of most military factories to the Urals, Siberia and Central Asia. Today, a similar situation may also develop at the front, in any case, if not the EU or NATO, then Washington is doing everything possible for this. However, our military factories are also not idle, and Russia is generally no stranger to confrontation with all of Europe.

But back then, the original ones were even worse. Of course, those who hid behind the mighty back and tattered T-shirt of Zelensky, who is still the president and a complete drug addict, literally long for the defeat of Russia. I would like to believe that it is not complete - they themselves are afraid of this half to death, but like the Paris or Portsmouth peace. In extreme cases, Khasavyurt or Brest-1918 will do.

None of this will satisfy any normal Russian now. We are actually sentenced to victory. At what cost - this, you see, depends more on ourselves. How we will fight and how to speed up and simplify the common difficult path to victory. And everything will be decided not only on the front line.


It is the latter, by the way, that is reassuring. Let the unfortunate terrorists from the CIA or Mi-6 continue tearing up the Nord Streams. If there is good will, we can even fix them. It is profitable to sell gas to Russia not only on the current predatory conditions for old Europe. We are much more important stability.

Just don't let Berlin, Paris and London think that after all that has happened Moscow will have enough apologies from the West. All in all. We don't need an enemy at the gate for years to come. The surrender of Kyiv will have to be accompanied by the actual surrender of Washington, and also of Brussels. Perhaps we won’t reach it, but we won’t leave a stone upon a stone, if we stop.

Or is it not enough for all of them to impoverish their own population and the collapse of global projects - all at once? And "green", and food, and migration? Who were allegedly called to save the planet. Or is it not enough for them to completely change the authorities and completely lose the trust of the electorate?

The current change of milestones is not a movie for you, gentlemen, about the “identification” of some Born, who in a few episodes killed almost fifty people and tore half of Europe apart. And all for the sake of simply apologizing to the daughter of Russian oligarchs who were killed "personally by him." Finished off in a state approximately the same in which the entire Kyiv elite is now.
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  1. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 7 October 2022 11: 06
    0
    Only the unconditional surrender of Kukuev will definitely suit us! No dirty deals!!
    1. tatra
      tatra 7 October 2022 11: 11
      +60
      Maybe it's time for the "cheers-patriots" to return to reality and begin to adequately assess the situation in the NWO?
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 7 October 2022 11: 14
        +20
        So far, proto-Ukrainian Nazis have shot 16 civilians in the north of the Kherson region, V. Oleksandrivka ..... They shot demonstratively am For cooperation with Russia.
        You can’t leave the territory - the Nazis will cut out the entire peaceful population there. They are already doing it.
        1. tatra
          tatra 7 October 2022 11: 16
          +23
          Well, there is no getting away from the fact that collaborationism has always been considered a state crime in world history. It is only the enemies of the USSR who seized the RSFSR praise the collaborators of the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars.
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 7 October 2022 11: 21
            +4
            yes, and so it was clear that the Ukronazis would not kiss those who took our side on both cheeks. you can’t just leave the peacekeepers to the Nazis - they had to be evacuated. and the Ukronazis once again showed the reason for this evacuation.
            1. Civil
              Civil 7 October 2022 12: 26
              +10
              It is impossible not to admit this, but the Nazi Wehrmacht in the first, and in the second year of the war, was in many ways superior to the Red Army.

              CONNECTION! CONNECTION! CONNECTION!
              Based on the experience of two Chechen campaigns and one Georgian campaign, why didn’t they solve the communication problem?!
              1. skeptic
                skeptic 8 October 2022 11: 32
                +4
                Quote: Civil
                CONNECTION! CONNECTION! CONNECTION!
                Based on the experience of two Chechen campaigns and one Georgian campaign, why didn’t they solve the communication problem?!

                When and who would do it? The power of the thieves' godfather - it is like that. On their yachts, communication is excellent. And with villas, abroad. With such "figures", it is just right to restore the structure of the messengers. All this "SVO ..." rather resembles the setup of Russia, for destruction. Everywhere sheer window dressing and bribery. Before starting this scam, it was necessary to clean the "Augean stables" of the authorities, but who would do this if such "...." sit in all structures?
        2. chetvertak
          chetvertak 7 October 2022 12: 30
          -7
          I read that the executions of citizens on their territory are not considered a crime. That is why the Russian central government is constantly silent about the mass deaths of citizens
        3. private person
          private person 8 October 2022 18: 24
          +1
          You can’t leave the territory - the Nazis will cut out the entire peaceful population there. They are already doing it.

          So everyone knows that it is impossible to leave, but after all, somehow, they do not intend to give away these territories so simply.
        4. alebdun2000
          alebdun2000 9 October 2022 10: 50
          0
          And why the hell did the civilians not evacuate? Opportunities were given. Have you hoped for the mercy of Ukrainian creatures? Lesson for everyone
      2. invisible_man
        invisible_man 7 October 2022 11: 14
        +9
        They don't like reality. And if you don't like it, then it's wrong.
        This public evaluates any information not logically, but through emotions. Like a blonde from a joke.
      3. Devil13
        Devil13 7 October 2022 11: 34
        +7
        Adequately, regardless of the position, only 1 result will suit us. The rest is the defeat of the Russian Federation
        1. TIR
          TIR 7 October 2022 12: 23
          +9
          Watching how to bring defeat. It is possible that the whole country will rejoice at the peace treaty. We are led to this
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 7 October 2022 17: 36
            +1
            Quote: TIR
            Watching how to bring defeat. It is possible that the whole country will rejoice at the peace treaty. We are led to this

            Has the right to life and this version. As always, the authorities didn’t manage to take x.ohlov on a show off, they don’t really want to fight, they will ruin their investments in Ukraine, they decided to kill more people in order to really sign an agreement on acceptable terms, and everyone in the Russian Federation will be grateful.
            1. TIR
              TIR 7 October 2022 18: 34
              +6
              After such a "lead" to a peace treaty, will there be enough willpower to show the authorities? I don't even think we can do it in the elections. Not in the first one, people were already deceived and manipulated, but there was no strong response from the citizens. I think they are breaking the social movement from above for the sake of their own power. But such leadership lacks foresight. After all, the attenuation of society leads to the complete collapse of the state with a strong blow. I am for a healthy society, not for such as it is now. At the moment, society is being made into an amoeba
        2. Bayun
          Bayun 8 October 2022 17: 27
          +1
          It is not even clear which is better: "So that there is no war" (there is no war - there is a CBO) or "CBO to the bitter end" (this is how it is impossible to "win" in a CBO, they win a war) ...
      4. RaccoonSnake
        RaccoonSnake 7 October 2022 11: 48
        +4
        They would rather put minuses than return to reality.
      5. credo
        credo 7 October 2022 11: 52
        +25
        Quote: tatra
        Maybe it's time for the "cheers-patriots" to return to reality and begin to adequately assess the situation in the NWO?

        I don’t want to assess our position in the NWO, since I don’t have such information and I’m not going to guess on coffee grounds.
        But there are questions:
        - why they hid from us the information that after the collapse of the USSR, the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine signed obligations to wage war with Russia, and the population of Russia was completely unaware;
        - why were we told about the "difficult" situation of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and the collapse of tank building, if the tanks in the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not dried up in seven months and are running around the fields very quickly on the video of the hostilities;
        - where are the combat drones of "Kronstadt" and other domestic manufacturers,
        - if the "sky" is ours, then why don't we fly over the whole of Ukraine, but only along the front line,
        - where are the "Warriors", "Sotniki" and other protective equipment for the fighters and where did the funds go to create and produce them.
        - how to convince domestic politicians and military leaders forever and ever that the West, in general, and the Anglo-Saxons, in particular, pose a constant and incurable threat to Russia, and not fool us with another tale that the entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO for us like a runny nose - drank aspirin and everything is in order.

        Lots of questions, but no answers yet.
        1. Kriso Sborshik
          Kriso Sborshik 7 October 2022 12: 14
          +7
          What kind of obligations are these about "waging war with Russia"? Maybe proofs?
          As for analogues of non-new weapons, my theory is very simple: our army for the most part sat in the PPD and was engaged in writing reports on its work. Each new boss came adding a new report without canceling the old one. As a result, the service of a typical soldier / officer turned 95% into shifting pieces of paper, even an office uniform was introduced for the rank and file. Consequently, why the hell to introduce modern weapons in the army, which sits in its own units and does not even participate in public works? From here we see the presence of more or less modern equipment only in the detachments of the MTR and the like, all the rest, at best, have one AK-74 per snout.
        2. levfuks
          levfuks 7 October 2022 12: 35
          +5
          Quote: credo
          but no answers yet

          Yes, there will be no answers. The sane understand that this cooperation can have only one end.
          But actually there is a plan. The cinema will be stopped and they will say that we (they) have achieved our goals. And they will continue to rub the livestock that they (we) won (almost). yes
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        4. Konnick
          Konnick 7 October 2022 14: 35
          +5
          - where are the combat drones of "Kronstadt" and other domestic manufacturers,

          Where? In Dubna...the Barn was built, but the rest was not. During the Second World War, the evacuated factories worked in the open, but there was equipment. Hangars were built in Dubna and beautifully opened without equipment.
          1. frei67
            frei67 8 October 2022 06: 08
            0
            why the hell then recruit people all over the country?
      6. Negro
        Negro 7 October 2022 12: 05
        +7
        Quote: tatra
        Maybe it's time for the "cheers-patriots" to return to reality and begin to adequately assess the situation in the NWO?

        No, death is better!
        1. Wildcat
          Wildcat 7 October 2022 12: 24
          +17
          hi
          Do not rush to conclusions!

          First we will check the option with "300 thousand mobilized will change the situation." They, of course, will change, but a little unexpectedly.

          Then we will check the option "a frozen Europe with a defeated industry is crawling to put up by the spring of 2023, wanting our gas and oil, carrying Ukraine in its paws as a gift to us."

          Then we will check the option "how the US presidential election 2024 will help us."

          And only then - then! - we will consider the rest, so to speak, options that are "better"!
          1. frog
            frog 8 October 2022 08: 08
            +2
            During this time, new options will appear, from those listed. And we will check them first of all)))
            So, when it comes to warmvents "better" is unknown. Maybe by then the donkey will die?)
      7. qQQQ
        qQQQ 7 October 2022 14: 35
        +3
        Quote: tatra
        Maybe it's time for the "cheers-patriots" to return to reality

        It is high time. Any war ends with negotiations. And here is what the result of these negotiations will be shown by the NWO.
      8. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 8 October 2022 04: 14
        +1
        Yes, I have already ceased to understand whether people are working off the salary of propagandists, or really under the substances ... Kyiv's capitulation is not enough for them, you give Washington on your knees!
        Although if you look closely at the real state of affairs, it will be good to just save Crimea ...
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 7 October 2022 11: 24
      +19
      Quote: Sergio_7
      Only the unconditional surrender of Kukuev will definitely suit us! No dirty deals!!

      The worst thing is that Khasavyurt-2.0 will quite suit the current Russian authorities ... if only they don’t change anything inside their country and return their property in the West.
      1. Devil13
        Devil13 7 October 2022 11: 36
        +8
        And what to expect from the followers of Ilyin and Dugin, cake
        1. rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 7 October 2022 11: 46
          -2
          Quote: Devil13
          And what to expect from the followers of Ilyin and Dugin, cake

          who are you referring to? winked
      2. Sergio_7
        Sergio_7 7 October 2022 11: 52
        -16
        This is very bad! I hope the GDP will be able to turn the tide.
    3. Silver99
      Silver99 7 October 2022 12: 28
      +5
      I look at the photos of the Second World War, how much they lied then and now, they say the Germans had more of the same tanks, but look in 1941 there were no "tigers", no "panthers" or "Ferdinands", even in the pictures you can see a 37 mm gun , and often there were no machine guns, these are Czech options, but due to the well-built tactics of the wedges concentrated in the breakthrough places, they achieved success. The same KV or T-34 was head and shoulders above in terms of TTD. It’s the same today, well, the APU has no superiority in anything !!! neither in tanks, nor in planes, nor in infantry, but we are constantly rubbed, they mobilized 700 thousand, but forgive today’s birthday man, the hero of the day recently approved bringing the number of the RF Armed Forces to a million and a few kopecks, take these Siberian biathlete regiments to the combat zone, don’t leave in hell unprepared mobilized.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 7 October 2022 13: 33
        +4
        Quote from Silver99
        . The same KV or T-34 was head and shoulders above in terms of TTD.

        read the history of the tank defeat near Dubno, or the charter of that time prescribing to have a messenger in the commander's tank, which commands the battle with flags laughing , kill the messenger and there is no commander. And the messenger must also be seen behind other cars and bushes with trees ... Soviet tanks near Dubno were corny destroyed by artillery, en masse.
        1. icant007
          icant007 7 October 2022 13: 40
          +3
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Soviet tanks near Dubno were tritely destroyed by artillery, en masse.



          Well, do not forget that the mass of equipment was tritely abandoned due to the lack of fuel.
          1. runway-1
            runway-1 7 October 2022 20: 33
            0
            Well, do not forget that the mass of equipment was tritely abandoned due to the lack of fuel.
            And also because of the damage...
  2. Djusha
    Djusha 7 October 2022 11: 10
    +24
    counting tanks according to reports that fired at tanks is a stupid and hopeless task.
    Taking into account the fact that a modern tank manages to visit a rembat a couple of times in a career, get a dozen hits, after which the shooter is sure that the tank is a khan, but in fact it only scratched the paint. And some tanks manage to change the side of the conflict, and more than once
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  4. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 7 October 2022 11: 16
    +14
    and why this digression into history, but where is the count of tanks?
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 7 October 2022 11: 32
      +12
      And who needs this calculation anyway?
      What difference does it make how many specific military formations will have tanks? If each tank has at least 2-3 Javelins, not counting other ATGMs?
      A tank breakthrough in the current conditions can take place and be successful only under the condition of absolute surprise.
      Which, given the complete superiority of the enemy in all types of reconnaissance (primarily satellite), is completely excluded.
      1. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 7 October 2022 11: 43
        +3
        I exclusively appeal to the title of the article, but about whether or not it is necessary to calculate it to the author
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 October 2022 12: 23
          +6
          So the author wrote how many Kanashenkov of padded armor voiced.
      2. Postcode
        Postcode 7 October 2022 11: 44
        -9
        The days of mass Javelins have sunk into oblivion, as well as the period of large tank columns along the roads. There are none .... the nature of the fighting has changed. and with other anti-tank systems, they are not so good today.
      3. saigon
        saigon 8 October 2022 08: 18
        +3
        Have you ever heard such a thing as an offensive in the firing corridors?
        And the last time this was demonstrated by General Rokhlin (in a well-known company)
        I don’t understand why tanks are considered on their own, a tank is only part of the combat process. But when fighting a super BTG, tank breakthroughs should not be expected.
    2. chetvertak
      chetvertak 7 October 2022 12: 58
      +1
      He deliberately kept silent in the article about the number of tanks! Because many will find out about this and spread over the network. And if this is a "military" secret? What will happen to the Ministry of Defense if they find out the number of tanks? data? Number of tanks by samples (year), products are on the wiki
    3. ALMO
      ALMO 8 October 2022 18: 45
      +1
      You will not see exact numbers for tanks anywhere. But here's some food for thought. Yesterday's intelligence review by the British Ministry of Defense.
      Latest Defense Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 7 October 2022
      Find out more about the UK government's response: https://t.co/zxsxakKNtO Further quote:
      "Ukraine has likely captured at least 440 Russian main battle tanks and about 650 other armored vehicles since the invasion."
      "... more than half of the currently operating tank fleet of Ukraine potentially consists of captured vehicles."
      "The inability of the Russian crews to destroy undamaged equipment before withdrawing or surrendering is evidence of their poor training and low level of combat discipline." And many other hurtful things.
      1. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 8 October 2022 19: 05
        0
        Quote from ALMO
        You will not see exact numbers for tanks anywhere. But here's some food for thought. Yesterday's intelligence review by the British Ministry of Defense.
        Latest Defense Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 7 October 2022
        Find out more about the UK government's response: https://t.co/zxsxakKNtO Further quote:
        "Ukraine has likely captured at least 440 Russian main battle tanks and about 650 other armored vehicles since the invasion."
        "... more than half of the currently operating tank fleet of Ukraine potentially consists of captured vehicles."
        "The inability of the Russian crews to destroy undamaged equipment before withdrawing or surrendering is evidence of their poor training and low level of combat discipline." And many other hurtful things.

        you are more careful, the admin issued a warning to me for such information, considered that this was a provocation and trolling, although this is quite an accessible information for those who listen not only to ensign Konashenkov and know how to think a little with their head
  5. Sergey028
    Sergey028 7 October 2022 11: 20
    +24
    Oh what smarties!!! They raised patriotism so much that tears just welled up! I especially liked the capital city of Washington. And about Brussels too... Can you tell me the name of the drug?
  6. invisible_man
    invisible_man 7 October 2022 11: 26
    +9
    I would like to know in more detail which tanks were obsolete with us, and which were new with the Germans (as of June 22, 1941, of course). Is the German Pz.Kpfw.I outdated, of which 1934 units were produced from 1937 to 1575? Is their Pz.Kpfw. II was better than our T-26 and BT?
    1. Devil13
      Devil13 7 October 2022 11: 35
      0
      First, them.
      Secondly, their materiel were on the move and in good condition.
      But ours limped, according to the author
      1. invisible_man
        invisible_man 7 October 2022 12: 01
        +5
        On June 1, 1941, there were more than 25 tanks in the Red Army. Serviceable were 000 units. In June 18 another 844 tanks were produced. Source: "Combat and numerical strength of the Armed Forces of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War: Statistical Collection No. 1941 (June 305, 1)". M.: Military Publishing House, 22
        1. Silver99
          Silver99 7 October 2022 12: 43
          -2
          And why do you forget about the engine life of the tank? we had zero, and the Fritz had already rolled half of Europe by 1941.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 7 October 2022 13: 02
            +2
            Quote from Silver99
            And why do you forget about the engine life of the tank? we had zero, and the Fritz had already rolled half of Europe by 1941.

            Something that is zero, only with an inter-run repair of 70-100 km. Not hours, but kilometers.
          2. invisible_man
            invisible_man 7 October 2022 13: 02
            +4
            Do I forget about it? :)
            I’m just leading up to the fact that the Germans, whose tank fleet by 50% consisted of outdated and exhausted Pz.I. and Pz.II, managed to butcher 12,5 thousand (even 14 thousand are mentioned in some places) Soviet tanks located on the western borders. Moreover, our armored vehicles are not taken into account, and some kind of BA-10 with a 45-mm cannon and 10-mm armor was also a serious argument.
            1. Alex92
              Alex92 7 October 2022 19: 57
              -1
              The armor was fig, and was scribbled even without PTR, and therefore they don’t take it into account. Not to mention the "door knockers" with which the parts were saturated. And not everyone there was butchered, many were abandoned or blown up by their crews after the ammunition was used up and the transmission broke down, which was common, for example, on the KV, which then could not be taken at all except for the 88-mm anti-aircraft guns
              1. invisible_man
                invisible_man 8 October 2022 02: 03
                0
                If we remembered our "mallets", then let's see what the Germans had. What's on the Pz.I. and Pz.II? On the first - only 2 machine guns, not even large-caliber ones. On the second - a cannon with a caliber of 20 mm and a machine gun. And the armor? 13 mm and 14 mm - almost the same as that of the "fig" according to you BA-10! Soviet "Kolotushki" 37 mm and 45 mm pierced both of these tanks almost right through, like plywood. Let me remind you - this is 50% of the Wehrmacht tanks as of June 22, 1941.
                1. Alex92
                  Alex92 8 October 2022 10: 18
                  0
                  Question about the quality and actual condition of the armor. It did not correspond to the declared indicators, as on the BTR-70 at one time, if my memory serves me, there was such a story. That is, the technological process of manufacturing armor was violated, and it was not such
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 7 October 2022 11: 38
      +7
      And what are these turbopatriots hinting at? Eurowehrmacht will roll rollers to Moscow, and we are their loaf?
    3. Alex92
      Alex92 7 October 2022 20: 00
      -1
      The radio stations in the troops were better) That's the main problem in my opinion. And on the commander's BT and T-26, distinguished by a handrail antenna around the tower, they were immediately identified and destroyed
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 7 October 2022 11: 33
    +6
    How we will fight and how to speed up and simplify the common difficult path to victory. And everything will be decided not only on the front line.
    . Well, yes, this is for those who offer everyone to take a machine gun in their hands and go ahead, you can also with a song.
    There are many questions and ... least of all, just in time for the army, but there, higher up ... there are questions.
    There are no answers...
  8. withoutreverse
    withoutreverse 7 October 2022 11: 41
    +13
    "Among them there is such data - more than 5 destroyed tanks and other armored vehicles"

    This is according to the calculation of the mouthpiece of lies from MO Konashenkov .. but in reality it is necessary to count from tomorrow, and not try to lie to your own people.
    1. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 7 October 2022 11: 49
      -13
      You just don't like the numbers of Ukrainian losses, so you're hysterical.
    2. Kriso Sborshik
      Kriso Sborshik 7 October 2022 12: 00
      +2
      Well, I don’t think that he is lying directly, the generals from the fronts (if they are there) supply such figures to him. On my own behalf, I can say that judging by the videos I watched, the tank can be considered destroyed only after the explosion of the BC, when literally nothing remains of it. In all other cases, the advancing troops take him to their rembat and restore him.
      Well, in general, even not the most modern tanks with five layers of DZ have pretty good survivability. Full of reports where the tank receives a dozen hits, and then returns to base with its hodorm. This is my subjective opinion based on the videos I've watched.
      UPD: and not so long ago, the vaunted Katemirovskaya division added lend-lease to the X-men.
      1. Alex92
        Alex92 7 October 2022 19: 52
        0
        Hits by themselves are not important, armor penetrations are important. And it’s hard to imagine that the tank would function normally after 10 penetrations. After all, it is possible to knock out even a through double, then patch it up as good as new, but until restoration the tank will be considered knocked out. That's how many there were - that's the question
        1. Kriso Sborshik
          Kriso Sborshik 7 October 2022 21: 13
          +1
          Well, that's what I'm saying that tanks often catch a lot of hits without critical consequences, and therefore remain on the move. Tanks that have received more serious damage, but did not catch the detonation of the ammo, are successfully repaired at repair bases and returned to service.
          Conclusion: destroying a tank in such a way that it cannot be restored is quite difficult, and the report of the MOSH talker on tanks can be divided by 2 or even 3.
    3. frog
      frog 8 October 2022 08: 19
      0
      And how is it not to lie to your own people? Why would it suddenly? And, most importantly, why? The people can be upset, why upset them? Not to mention the fact that a considerable number of people in different places are busy writing reports, that is, lies. Do you want to leave them unemployed? What about upset people? Can he start asking questions? And again, you will have to carry utter nonsense, about reptilians, for example ..... No, there is no way to tell the truth to the people .... Not to mention the fact that most people already know this truth laughing
  9. Victorovich
    Victorovich 7 October 2022 11: 47
    +15
    I re-read it three times, but could not understand what the main purpose of the article was.
    What her message is is not clear.
    The authors started for one thing .. and then they began to remember both 1941 and lend-lease ...
    1. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 7 October 2022 11: 52
      +1
      I agree. this is completely superfluous in the article.
    2. N3onMiami
      N3onMiami 7 October 2022 12: 47
      +1
      It's time for the authors to know that it is not necessary to write something, having accepted (and notably accepted!) Before that, on the chest.
    3. frog
      frog 8 October 2022 08: 25
      0
      The authors have a difficult task, unbearable, one might say lol
      On the one hand, to support the trend, announced by the liars, about "not lying", on the other hand, not to upset the authorities of the so-called. truth and ..... burning questions wink .
      Intelligentsia and power - the task is very difficult:
      Whether to bite the boot, or lick?
  10. nellyjuri
    nellyjuri 7 October 2022 12: 06
    +3
    I have one question for the author. As they say, everyone looks from his own bell tower. In my opinion, it was the author who spoke about ammunition? And now for the tanks. Speaking of tanks. And what percentage of the wrecked tanks, in his opinion, is the junta able to restore? After all, I do not question Konashenkov. He is reported, counted and voiced. And there they can add from the scene, or calculate that two or three were killed, because they saw a hit on the target, and decided that they were alive.

    Therefore, I have a question about what percentage of tanks, according to the author, the junta returns after repair.

    And here is my question from my belfry. And what about the trunks? I am an artilleryman and often hear that the barrels glow red. I have never seen such a thing in my life. And the trunks have a resource. I have already seen the exploding barrel of a Polish howitzer. I think we already have. What do we have with the trunks. And what about the junta? I read that all the factories for the manufacture of barrels remained in Russia. There are none in Ukraine. How true is this? Do we have enterprises for the repair of howitzer and cannon artillery? And also tank barrels?
    This is a serious topic. We use artillery so actively that it starts to scare me.
    1. wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov 7 October 2022 12: 29
      +4
      It's just trouble with repair plants. Rostec has already bankrupted 12 car repair enterprises in the country. And now he is engaged in the sale and dismissal of the personnel of the Motovilikha Plants, our main enterprise for the repair and production of MLRS systems and cannon artillery.
      1. nellyjuri
        nellyjuri 7 October 2022 13: 24
        -5
        Go to the butt. I speak directly. I actually asked about Ukrainian tanks. I know about the Russian ones without you - Chelyabinsk and Kurgan are working on repairs without stopping. By the way. Have you seen these factories for which you cry so much? You know, we have closed a ship repair plant, where 2000 people once worked. But aren't ships being repaired? Are being repaired. For example abroad. Only at our plant the fastest repairs took 3 months, and most of them were put in for repairs during the winter, when navigation stopped for 6 months. And in the Canary Islands, the same ships are repaired in a month. By the way, in Sormovo and Kolomna, too, in a month. And they do renovations too. There are far fewer people working there than here. Because the plant had manual labor and a minimum of mechanization, and the size of the ship repair shop did not allow to install manipulators and welding machines. Our plant started to build a new workshop, but did not have time, only the foundation was made. could not stand the competition and closed. Welders worked there in difficult conditions, in close quarters, with a minimum of space.

        By the way, you know that modern mechanisms allow you to move equipment at any angle, and the welder does not have to stand with the cutter, it is enough just to control the process. And what could be placed in these old Soviet workshops? winch? And two men with sledgehammers and one man with a gas cutter?

        By the way, this year, for the first time in 15 years, there were two ships for summer repairs and there will be five ships for winter. And again began work on the foundation field. There was someone who wanted to repair and build a new workshop. One ship has already left the repair.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 7 October 2022 20: 03
          +2
          What is the meaning of what is written, offtopic? And Ukraine has the production of barrels (they make a copy of 2a46, for example). Yes, everyone used to laugh at this since the time of the Pakistani contract for "Oploty". But now it's an obvious fact. With rifled guns, however, it seems not so good, the resource of Soviet guns was shot there. A little aside - the Ukrainians, for example, set up the assembly of missiles for "Tochka" (their Soviet stock would have run out a couple of times by now) - to the question of their repair and other capabilities.
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 7 October 2022 15: 12
        -4
        Motovilikha plant works in 3 shifts, recently there was an article about this
        1. nellyjuri
          nellyjuri 7 October 2022 20: 22
          0
          I know it. But I don't know their entire line of production. I've only heard about multiple launch rocket systems.
    2. Oren77
      Oren77 7 October 2022 12: 44
      0
      From time to time we come across Kamaz trucks with howitzer barrels, which are taken for repairs.
  11. solar
    solar 7 October 2022 12: 07
    +8
    In the information war, we have finally achieved a turning point - almost nowhere else is there room for lies and primitive propaganda.

    Beautifully written. It could have been easier - no one believes it anymore.
  12. Kuziming
    Kuziming 7 October 2022 12: 08
    +5
    Was it written by a technical specialist, or a propagandist?

    If we talk about tanks, then we need an advantage:
    1. In repair and modernization. How many factories do we have and how many does the enemy have?
    2. In fuel and ammunition. Both quality and quantity are important.
    3. Protection. Dynamic, active, screens, block replacement.
    4. Means of communication.
    5. Means of reconnaissance, detection of enemy tanks, display of combat information.
    6. Sights, means of observation.
    7. Anti-tank weapons. Availability, training.

    First you need to achieve at least parity in these indicators, and then dream of capitulations.
    1. Alex92
      Alex92 7 October 2022 19: 43
      +1
      That is, in fact, we need competent logistics, with which there are always problems (
  13. Robert Suvorov
    Robert Suvorov 7 October 2022 12: 08
    +1
    An article about tanks, but the author managed to drive off-road in a tank, hitting just a little bit. I don’t know how it will all end, but I know that at the cost of huge losses of the common people it will not cost both sides. When they voice how many weapons are left in the former countries of the USSR, I already open my mouth. This is the price of betrayal in the highest echelons of power, who ultimately remained at the beck and call of their masters. Gorbachev and Yeltsin were only pawns in these games. Right now I don't see much progress either. I compare all our development with the toilet in the USSR and Russia. There is a toilet, but if it is not in a commercial building, then it is better not to go in. Where are the new tanks, machine guns, equipment, drones, communications and much more? Did you know what the opponents have and at what pace they are developing? It's all criminal. On TV they sang that our army is the most and is ready to fight against the Martians, even but in reality what? At the same time, not a single person answered for this and did not sit down. You can steal how many buzz from us and fail any assignment, and you are at most threatened with dismissal and service in a new bread place. I find it funny when they tell us on TV how the West is deceiving its people, but they are still far from ours. We don't change anything. To sell from the bowels of the earth - that's the whole philosophy. Our machines, elevators and any of our production can simply shock. Pity us. Most people are under constant stress and want to have patriotism. Patriotism is forged not in this way, but by the attitude and example of power towards its people, towards the Motherland. Young people who do not want to go to war are called cowards. For what? They want to live. Who gave them an example? All the children of bureaucrats live and get high over the hill and they do not care about us and the Motherland. They also want to join them. That's all. Let the authorities show us by their own example something else, correct, native. Let him at least once in his life begin to live and work for the country, the people. Let it be one for all and all for one for real. From this world, no one will take anything with them except good and bad deeds. If we are strong and developed in everything, then who will dare to go against us? We have everything for a fantastic development. We can become a locomotive for the whole world. We would do it if we wanted to. But a lot depends on the leader and his environment. Our leader seems to be literate, but his environment is a question. To be us or not to be is decided now.
    1. wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov 7 October 2022 12: 49
      +7
      The king is good, the boyars are bad. Excuse me, but who defined and installed these boyars, that is, the environment around them? Is not our competent leader? And these boyars seem to suit him if he keeps them to himself. The literacy of the leader is important, but even more important is whose interests he represents and what tasks he sets for himself.
  14. Galleon
    Galleon 7 October 2022 12: 10
    +8
    It is profitable to sell gas to Russia not only on the current predatory conditions for old Europe. We are much more important stability.

    Fuck your stability and you along with it. Who withdrew money from the sale of resources from the country, he will withdraw? Who gave 300 billion greenery to the West, will he do it again? Who stole that will continue to do so? Your stability has already stuck with the stabilizer.
    After the war, after the victory, we need a fresh wind!
    1. levfuks
      levfuks 7 October 2022 12: 49
      +6
      Quote: Galleon
      Your stability has already stuck with the stabilizer.

      I agree. The stabilizer would be removed.
      Quote: Galleon
      After the war, after the victory, we need a fresh wind!

      Only, I think, without a fresh wind, one should not dream of victory.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 7 October 2022 15: 08
        +7
        Quote: levfuks
        Only, I think, without a fresh wind, one should not dream of victory.

        This is understood by more and more thinkers.
    2. frog
      frog 8 October 2022 09: 00
      0
      Need someone to argue.
      From only many who dreamed about this during the WWI, were ..... somewhat surprised 1917+ .....
      And those who shouted in 1989 "We are waiting for change!" then they bonfired the 90s .....
  15. acetophenone
    acetophenone 7 October 2022 12: 12
    +7
    Quote: withoutreverse
    "Among them there is such data - more than 5 destroyed tanks and other armored vehicles"

    This is according to the calculation of the mouthpiece of lies from MO Konashenkov .. but in reality it is necessary to count from tomorrow, and not try to lie to your own people.

    What is it? All my life they lied, all the power is in a lie, and suddenly - "no need." It's like a bed bug switching from blood to nectar...
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 7 October 2022 12: 13
    +5
    In the information war, we have finally achieved a turning point - almost nowhere else is there room for lies and primitive propaganda.

    The author immediately surprises :-)
    To be honest, I thought that the article would be about OUR tanks, because there are a lot of questions not so much on Ukrainian ones, but on ours. After all, before the start of the conflict, we had absolutely horse numbers of potentially mobilized machines. But in the end, the T-62 also went into action, at some point. How it happened, happened with an approximate analysis, I still crave to read on the pages of "VO". What do Ukrainian tanks mean to me? It is much more interesting if we have something to attack, including in the conditions of "jamming" of the Ukrainian infantry. Also, an interesting question is how it was possible to miss the potential from this "jamming" at all, because the toy has been produced for a good 26 years, and it is mass-produced. Since 2014, at least one could roughly imagine what exactly the conditional West would put on Ukraine first. Were we preparing for such a turn of events in terms of solutions for armored vehicles?
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 7 October 2022 15: 16
      +4
      Easily. For the last couple of years, they have been saying everywhere that the Jewelins are just an expensive toy and cannot destroy Russian tanks. And how they laughed at the delivery of 2500 NLAW from the UK in January of this year. It was said that the British were sending illiquid assets, that the shelf life of these missiles would expire at the end of the year…….
    2. Alex92
      Alex92 7 October 2022 19: 41
      +4
      I remember how, in the first days/weeks of the NMD, a journalist in Russia24 spoke in a sarcastic voice about Grada, Tochka-U and BTR-70: "Russia does not use this - outdated equipment." Oh well.
  17. bulgaria_
    bulgaria_ 7 October 2022 12: 24
    +3
    Such articles are harmful to society. Realism includes a dose of self-criticism. Like this.
    1. frog
      frog 8 October 2022 09: 04
      0
      "Why do we need a blacksmith? What are we, a horse, or what?"
      We are now yelling at the authorities, joyfully forgetting about everything else, and voila .... And even destroying abstract power, we are trying to justify both the "roror MO" and the wisest General Staff ....
  18. Maks1995
    Maks1995 7 October 2022 12: 26
    +2
    And, again, abstract explanations and teachings why ...
    Articles like this one after another...

    And not a single news that at least the escaped Chubais was dispossessed ..... "Well, you understand" (GDP), the oligarchs are inviolable ...
  19. yuriy55
    yuriy55 7 October 2022 12: 36
    -1
    Do you know what struck? 32 comments and one "like" to the article.
    None of this will satisfy any normal Russian now. We are actually sentenced to victory. At what cost - this, you see, depends more on ourselves. How we will fight and how to speed up and simplify the common difficult path to victory. And everything will be decided not only on the front line.

    I consider myself normal (and not only me, but also medicine - once a year I had a medical examination with a neuropathologist and a narcologist), a fairly literate Russian.
    I am satisfied with my birth and living in the USSR, no matter how modern liberals sling mud at it. And in that socialist economic formation, I was satisfied with the understandable reaction and actions to the "foreign evil" of the Soviet government and the peoples of the USSR.
    Do you think that we are condemned to victory? I believe that we have no other choice but to win. I remember the words from the song:
    Smoke above our Motherland
    And that means we need one win,
    One for all - we will not stand for the price.

    Everyone is for victory with both hands, everyone sees no other way out, but in fact, incomprehensible phenomena are occurring at the top of the pyramid of power, meaning there is no choice between “we will not stand up for the price”, “budget appropriations” and “commercial prices”.
    Nothing depends on us in this life. And the worst thing is that people can see with the naked eye and it is clear that “they are trying to get to the tonsils through the rectum”, but they are not able to do something, stop the process or pay attention to it.
    *****
    How we will fight, even those who fight do not know. We can only state a deviation from the rules and regulations of combined arms tactics based on the knowledge gained and ... the loss of our forces and means.
    We can only hope for the prudence of the command, which sees the challenges thrown, sees the terrible hatred and bestial desire to destroy Russia and the Russians, but, for some reason, everything cannot decide either on the means of response or on the measures of influence against the enemies caught in the act ...
  20. BAI
    BAI 7 October 2022 12: 51
    -2
    Surrender of Kyiv

    And now we do not need the capitulation of Kyiv. We need the liquidation of Ukraine as a state and its maximum absorption by Russia (except for Western Ukraine - let the Poles take it away if they want trouble). If the state of Ukraine remains, sooner or later it will be pumped up with NATO weapons - tanks, planes, missiles capable of reaching Moscow, etc. There will be a motivated, trained, revenge-hungry army, "veterans" with stories of how they took the Red Estuary, etc. And we will get a new war. More scale. And for which Russia will again be unprepared.
    1. Former soldier
      Former soldier 7 October 2022 16: 33
      -3
      In practice, this is not the case. There will be no "thirsty for revenge" either in 3 or 5 years. For no one wants to burn under the "sun". Yes, and the remnants of the country of Sumeria must first be economically restored. But in 20 years, when the horrors of war will be sprinkled with time, a new generation of young and hot and stupid will appear, and whom politicians will warm up with tales of past exploits and grievances, then yes, the conflict may arise again. You don't have to look far for an example. In the First World War, how many people died and the French fought so heroically, so that after 20 years they lost the desire to even just defend themselves.
  21. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 7 October 2022 13: 08
    +2
    Apparently, the Nazis not only kept their tanks and received additional ones from the west, but still continue to produce them, despite the loud statements of our MO about the destruction of their armored and repair factories. It seems that the production of MLRS and cannon artillery continues, with ammunition for them. Otherwise, in eight months, all their stocks of shells and missiles would have ended long ago. And no supplies from the West would compensate for this. The increasing use of Alder missiles only confirms this. Indeed, before the NWO, the VSO had these weapons in single quantities.
  22. icant007
    icant007 7 October 2022 13: 33
    +4
    Here is a figure for armored combat vehicles of 5200 units, but it just doesn’t bother me. Some of the "destroyed" equipment is still being restored.
    And I won’t be surprised if even under our noses in Kharkov.

    I'm more embarrassed by more than 400 downed aircraft. You can't restore them. )

    Wikipedia before the NVO lied to us that the Ukrainians have about 30 aircraft of each type. Su-24, 25, 27, MiG-29.
    Maybe where he blew it, but that's not the point.
    And she is referring to the Military Balance.

    But if you look at the Wikipedia article on aviation losses for 2014-15, the initial number of aircraft is also given there. It will turn out that in 8 years a huge number of aircraft have disappeared somewhere.
    Although there was not much export.

    For example, MiG-29 had 90 in 2014. By the beginning of the SVO, it was about 36.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Потери_авиации_в_ходе_вооружённого_конфликта_на_востоке_Украины

    And so on.
    I hope the Department of Information of the Ministry of Defense did not start from Wikipedia.
    1. Alex92
      Alex92 7 October 2022 19: 35
      +1
      Yes, someone here already pointed out a hundred downed Su-25s)
  23. steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 October 2022 13: 36
    -2
    "But like the Paris or Portsmouth peace. In extreme cases, Khasavyurt or Brest-1918 will do."
    I repeat. According to my rough calculations, for offensive operations, Russia will need 700 thousand bayonets, plus 150-200 thousand to control the liberated territories. And this is if we plan to end the war on the border of Poland. How many do we have now? Now think for yourself how Putin wants to end the war.
  24. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 October 2022 13: 45
    +3
    Quote from Silver99
    I look at the photos of the Second World War, how much they lied then and now, they say the Germans had more of the same tanks, but look in 1941 there were no "tigers", no "panthers" or "Ferdinands", even in the pictures you can see a 37 mm gun , and often there were no machine guns, these are Czech options, but due to the well-built tactics of the wedges concentrated in the breakthrough places, they achieved success.



    In estimating armies, the fool counts the soldiers, the wise man counts the wagons.
    It's not about how many tanks each side had. Tanks don't fight on their own. For their successful actions, motorized infantry is needed (how many the Germans had, how many we had), communications in abundance (as the Germans had, as we had), a cargo vehicle (timely delivery of fuel and lubricants and ammunition), etc.
    With obvious shortcomings in the materiel and organizational structure of the Red Army, even theoretically it could not implement the "competently built tactics of wedges", even if there were theoretical developments in this area.
  25. Illanatol
    Illanatol 7 October 2022 13: 56
    -1
    Quote: wladimirjankov
    Apparently, the Nazis not only kept their tanks and received additional ones from the west, but still continue to produce them, despite the loud statements of our MO about the destruction of their armored and repair factories. It seems that the production of MLRS and cannon artillery continues, with ammunition for them.


    And what tanks does Ukroreich continue to produce?
    Actually, the T-84 "Oplot" was in production, if I'm not mistaken. Well, how many of them are really at the front?
    So with the production of new tanks in Ukraine, it is hardly safe.
    Regarding military equipment in general. Very often they give data on the equipment (tanks, aircraft, etc.) that the units are armed with. But besides this, there is also a reserve in warehouses, which is sometimes simply not taken into account and forgotten about. The number of such equipment in Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR was simply huge. The same applies to ammunition, there are warehouses - enough for several wars.
    Plus supplies from other countries - former members of the Department of Internal Affairs. The Poles handed over more than 200 tanks.
    Part of the "destroyed" equipment can be restored. Sometimes - at non-core enterprises.
    In the USSR, during the Second World War, tanks were generally produced at automobile plants (at GAZ, for example).
  26. svp67
    svp67 7 October 2022 14: 06
    0
    I still don't understand what we mean? Tanks or shells for them
  27. parusnik
    parusnik 7 October 2022 14: 22
    +2
    more dependent on ourselves.
    Excuse me, but nothing depends on them, on the Russian oligarchs who have "candle" factories in Ukraine?
  28. geologist
    geologist 7 October 2022 14: 36
    +1
    Have you seen a machine gun or a tank close by, but did you go on the attack, let's say? Why tanks are always counted, but the number of other components of the war is not noticed. But cartridges, pasta, etc. are also consumed, but they don’t count them because it’s not interesting.
  29. Alex92
    Alex92 7 October 2022 19: 32
    -2
    WWII cannot be compared. Other times, another technique, tactics, and most importantly, leadership. Yes, and the Germans had more tanks than the author points out here, I won’t give a source, but I read somewhere in a book with reference to German documents about hundreds of Czech and French captured tanks, and that they are always omitted in statistics. It is unrealistic to produce modern tanks in an amount commensurate with the former in that war. In the First World War, even the fleet was completed, the same Noviks were mainly introduced already during the war, and now there are other realities. And returning to the tanks, with a shot of an HE shell from a KV-2, when it burst NEAR a German tank (even the R-4 of the first series), it tore off the turret from the shoulder strap, so we can talk about the USSR lagging behind Germany ... Only in tactical terms, security and communications .
  30. runway-1
    runway-1 7 October 2022 20: 28
    +4
    The surrender of Kyiv will have to be accompanied by the actual surrender of Washington, and also of Brussels. Perhaps we won’t reach it, but we won’t leave a stone upon a stone, if we stop.
    What visionary abilities and desperate courage! winked
    The surrender of Kyiv will have to be accompanied by the actual surrender of Washington, and also of Brussels. Perhaps we won’t reach it, but we won’t leave a stone upon a stone, if we stop.
    Or is it not enough for all of them to impoverish their own population and the collapse of global projects - all at once?
    Where does such boundless confidence come from, especially considering already existing experience? And yes, our own population is obviously getting richer and is moving confidently into a brighter future?! winked
  31. tsvetahaki
    tsvetahaki 8 October 2022 03: 41
    +1
    We don't need an enemy at the gate for years to come.

    Under the guidance of the enemies that we have inside behind the gates, we will boldly beat the enemies who have approached the gates.
    It is only necessary, at the expense of pensions, to once again buy ammunition and ammunition on the market, to drop on Chinese tanks and Iranian drones. "Let's win"! Let's do more, build the stolen yachts and palaces, build them anew on our land, with a navy and permanent fortifications!
    The main thing is, all together, and as one, with the heads of warehouses and the deputy minister for rear, in a single impulse!
    This is how the author sees it...
  32. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 8 October 2022 15: 26
    0
    What 12 tanks are we talking about in the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
  33. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 8 October 2022 20: 50
    0
    Quote: Nexcom
    You can’t leave the territory - the Nazis will cut out the entire peaceful population there. They are already doing it.

    Has the arthropod completely stupefied? - Call people peaceful?
  34. DannyBoyNY
    DannyBoyNY 9 October 2022 01: 00
    0
    "a complete drug addict," Where did you learn this from?
  35. Guran33 Sergey
    Guran33 Sergey 9 October 2022 08: 23
    0
    Magazine "Communist" for 1987 - Starting with the battles near Smolensk (2200 echelons of ammunition from both sides), the Red Army consumed more ammunition than the Germans (1100 echelons in January 42 from our side and 750 from the German)
  36. splin44
    splin44 9 October 2022 12: 21
    0
    We do not need tanks, but for the government to have the task of winning! As long as there is no such task, victory does not shine for us.
  37. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 11 October 2022 06: 49
    0
    Quote from Silver99
    bring these Siberian regiments of biathletes

    Do not doubt the Siberians will not flinch. The western district .maskvichi trembled. They dropped everything and scrambled.
    Your irony is inappropriate.