Strange military operation

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Strange military operation

The special military operation in Ukraine, which, as the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has repeatedly stated, “is going according to plan,” raises more and more questions. The main question is what kind of plan is this, if it provides for the abandonment of territories with people who believed that Russia came forever, began to receive Russian passports, and now are forced to either flee or fear reprisals from the Ukrainian authorities?

What kind of plan is this if Donetsk, after six months, the NMD continues to be under fire from Ukrainian artillery, and Ukraine continues to militarize and pump up Western weapons, the supply of which flows freely in a continuous stream?



Let's talk about the stated goals of the special operation and what we have today.

Eight years of the Minsk agreements and an incorrect assessment of the situation at the time of the start of the NWO


After the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and the start of the uprising in the Donbass against the authorities who came as a result of the coup in Kyiv, the patriotic public repeatedly called on the Kremlin to annex Luhansk, Donetsk, and indeed the whole historical Novorossia. There was an opportunity to do this “with little bloodshed” – after the Crimea, where the Ukrainian military did not offer any resistance to Russia, the Ukrainian army was demoralized, many commanders were ready to go over to the side of the Russian military if they appeared in the steppes of Ukraine.

The former commander of the DPR militia, retired FSB colonel Igor Strelkov, has repeatedly claimed that the commanders of Ukrainian military units negotiated with him, who hesitated and were ready to go over to the side of the militia if Russia sent troops.

However, instead, Moscow limited itself to providing assistance to Donetsk and Luhansk, and Minsk agreements were signed with Ukraine, following which the proclaimed LPR and DPR, not recognized by Moscow, were to return to Ukraine on special, in fact, autonomous conditions, and had to go through a process federalization of Ukraine. Thus, the Kremlin wanted to “zero out” the results of the Ukrainian Maidan and influence Ukrainian politics through the Donbass.

Various political scientists and TV presenters have been assuring the Russian public for many years that Russia cannot send troops to Ukraine, because otherwise “the third world war will begin”, and the treacherous Americans are deliberately “luring” the Russian Federation there. Therefore, Moscow does not need to interfere in the intra-Ukrainian conflict, and Ukraine will fall apart by itself under the weight of its own mistakes and crimes.

In fact, Kyiv, using the support of the United States and Britain, declaratively declaring its adherence to the Minsk agreements, constantly came up with reasons why their implementation was being delayed, while Ukraine increased the combat capability of the army, which was trained by American and British instructors. Ukrainian artillerymen “trained” by firing at the peaceful cities of Donbass, saboteurs “exercised” by blowing up civilian objects.

Ukrainian society was pumped up with anti-Russian propaganda. After almost eight years of marking time, Moscow began to realize that it was impossible to reach an agreement with Ukraine. However, they did not fully realize that the year 2014 was far from being on the verge, and the situation had changed a lot in eight years.

Back on January 3, a month and a half before the start of the special military operation, Igor Strelkov made a forecast in his Telegram channel, in which he quite accurately described what it would be like:

Ukraine is preparing for war by all means available to it. Her puppeteers, too. And in the Russian Federation, there is no preparation for a real serious war "from the word at all." All military measures that are taken covertly (not from enemies, but from the layman) are suitable for preparing for some next “small-victorious” short campaign against the militia with Kalash and carts.

The beginning of the SVO showed that the colonel's forecast was fully justified.

Those who planned the military operation in Ukraine did not take into account that Ukraine in 2014 and Ukraine in 2022 are completely different states. The mood of the people has also changed, and, importantly, the mentality of the Ukrainian soldiers. If in 2014 they were mostly Russian people ready to reunite with Russia, then in 2022 they are mostly ideological fighters for the independence of Ukraine, pumped up with propaganda and trained by instructors from the USA and Britain.

About the goals of the SVO and their achievement


Initially, several goals were declared for the special military operation in Ukraine, but most of them (except, in fact, the defense of Donbass) were formulated so abstractly that it was rather difficult to determine what exactly was meant. We are talking primarily about the wording "demilitarization" and "denazification". What are these animals and what do they eat with? What exactly is the meaning of these concepts? On this score, analysts and experts give different interpretations, while the official authorities remain silent.

In one of his previous articles,The meanings of the NWO have shifted to the field of political religion”- I noted that questions about the goals of the military operation have moved into the field of political religion: the society was asked to believe that the military operation is going according to plans to certain goals.

For a short-term military operation, the purpose of which was to overthrow Zelensky and establish a pro-Russian government in Ukraine, this may have been enough, especially considering that Russian society initially did not delve into this topic very much - the war was far away and did not concern the majority of citizens. However, society cannot rest solely on such a faith, which is practically unsupported by anything, and even more so, such a “political faith” is not capable of uniting people.

A solution was found - the LPR, the DPR and the territories of historical Novorossiya taken under control in southern Ukraine were annexed to Russia.

On the one hand, this is certainly a historic event, very bold from the point of view of international politics, because not a single modern state would dare to annex historical territories, regardless of the rules established by the American hegemon and the opinion of the so-called "world community".

On the other hand, these territories were annexed before the fighting ended on them, and this carries risks for Russia. We'll talk more about this a little later.

Another goal that cannot be ignored was the non-expansion of NATO. On February 24, in an address on the start of a special military operation, Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke a lot about the inadmissibility of NATO expansion to the east, which gave every reason to believe that one of the goals of the NVO is the inadmissibility of expanding the alliance on the borders with Russia.

“We once again made an attempt to agree with the United States and its allies on the principles of ensuring security in Europe and non-expansion of NATO. Everything is in vain. The position of the USA does not change. They do not consider it necessary to negotiate with Russia on this key issue for us, pursuing their own goals, they neglect our interests. In this situation, we have a question, what to do next, what to expect, - noted Vladimir Putin.


However, as a result of the NWO, on the contrary, contributed to the fact that Finland, located on the border with Russia, and Sweden joined the North Atlantic Alliance. This, of course, is a blow to Russia's security.

And this was recognized by the Russian Foreign Ministry - in July, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko said that Finland and Sweden joining NATO would make the Baltic Sea region a zone of rivalry. This is true, because the accession of these countries to NATO will inevitably lead to a violation of the security system in the region.

A military conflict for which no one was prepared


The military operation in Ukraine revealed all the negative aspects that take place in the Russian army - firstly, it became obvious that the army organization was stuck in the last century and was not ready for the challenges of modern warfare. I'll give you an example.

Artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine works with artillery programs for tablets and smartphones, which ensures a minimum of time for preparing data for firing. The vast majority of Russian artillerymen do not have such programs, as Andrei Morozov, a fighter of the People's Militia of the LPR, wrote about more than once. Our gunner, who controls the fire of the battery, sits at the fire control device with a map, notepad, shooting tables, an engineering calculator and counts the shooting.

In general, Russian artillery, although numerous, is technically backward. It can form World War I-style "barrages of fire" but is not part of the battlefield information system. Unfortunately, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation simply do not have such mobile high-precision systems as the HIMARS MLRS in large quantities. A severe shortage drones, surveillance and reconnaissance equipment further complicates the situation. From the "blind" artillery of little use.

Another problem is the lack of normal communication at the tactical level. Military correspondents wrote about this more than once, for example, the same Yuri Kotenok. I will quote:

“At the tactical level, there is no normal communication. And I'm talking about the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but I generally keep quiet about the rifle regiments of the DPR mob reserve. It's just embarrassing. With this, we entered the war, sorry, in the NWO.
How does it look not on a TV show, but in reality? At the tactical (company) level, control is impossible - there is no communication. The same company commander, when making a decision, finds himself in a vacuum. "Baofengs" ukry listen and jam.
I repeat, there is NO closed communication in the tactical link. The mobilized, "mobiks", as they are called, at best have several R-159s from fifty years ago without "Istorikov".
It is impossible to fight with such equipment in the XNUMXst century - you will be defeated by an enemy equipped an order of magnitude higher. But the Russians also manage to attack without communications and a command and control system.”

Secondly, another of the key problems that the SVO revealed was the almost complete unsuitability of a part of the military command. None of the generals is responsible for the mistakes made during the military operation, and therefore, no one corrects them. No one heard the "bells" near Belogorovka - bells were needed near Balakleya and Izyum, and then Krasny Liman, so that in the blogosphere and at the level of television experts they began to talk about the mistakes of the command. But talking alone is not enough, the question arises - will conclusions be drawn in the end?

The acute shortage of soldiers at the front, which allowed the Armed Forces of Ukraine to go on the offensive in two directions at once (Kharkov and Kherson) is also one of the main problems, however, with the two points mentioned above unresolved, it will be almost impossible to stabilize the situation. Back in May-June, there were enough people to hold the territories and even attack, but the senseless assaults of the Ukrainian fortified areas in the forehead led to the fact that the infantry (especially the People's Militia of the LPR and DPR) was "wearing off", and there was no one to replenish it.

From all of the above, one can draw a disappointing conclusion - the Russian army was simply not ready for a military conflict of such a scale as in Ukraine.

How will the situation develop in the coming weeks?


The official annexation of Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions is, as I said above, a historic event, but there should not be any euphoria about this. Because these territories still need to be kept.

It is not very clear why they decided to annex the historical territories of Novorossiya right now, when the liberation of these regions has not been completed, and hostilities continue. Now, in the event of the loss of cities and towns, the reputational losses of Russia will be much higher than before, because Russian cities will be captured by the Ukrainian army (according to the legislation of the Russian Federation). Talking about the "planned regrouping of troops" and the "gesture of goodwill", as Konashenkov likes to do, is now somehow inconvenient.

In the near future, taking advantage of the numerical superiority, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue to develop the offensive against Kremennaya, Lisichansk and Svatovo in the LPR, as well as Berislav in the Kherson region, with a subsequent attempt to reach Novaya Kakhovka. The main task of the Russian military, as well as the People's Militia of the LPR and DPR, in the near future is to organize defense and hold new Russian territories, until the reservists mobilized in Russia are trained and put into battle (and it is necessary to put them into battle now , the faster the better). It was necessary to deal with the defense of settlements from the very beginning, however, unfortunately, they began to think about it very late, only after the successful attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Balakleya and Izyum.

Some people call the military operation in Ukraine a “strange military operation”, and this definition perfectly reflects reality. There are no answers to the questions - why are the infrastructure of Western Ukraine not being attacked, for example, the Dobrotvorskaya thermal power plant, which often supplies electricity to Poland, but at the same time, the thermal power plant in Kharkiv is being hit? Why are the bridges across the Dnieper not being attacked? Why did our drones attack some incomprehensible objects in Odessa and Nikolaev, while heavy battles were fought in Liman, ending with the retreat of our troops?

Well, the main question that arises - what's next? Suppose our troops manage to hold out until the approach of mobilized reserves, and the situation stabilizes. Let's assume that it will be possible to knock out the Armed Forces of Ukraine and reach the borders of the Zaporozhye and Donetsk regions. What's next? The military conflict will not end there.

One of the solutions may be to freeze the conflict, with attempts to negotiate with the United States and Britain (there is no point in talking with puppet Ukraine), but the configuration of possible agreements is still unclear, since there is no ground for compromise.

However, now it is not worth making medium-term and long-term forecasts. I repeat, the main task at the moment is to protect the new Russian territories and work on the mistakes with the punishment of those responsible in the Russian military command.
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  1. -15
    6 October 2022 11: 08
    Some people call the military operation in Ukraine a “strange military operation”, and this definition perfectly reflects reality.

    — Son…
    - Dad!
    - Well, that’s all, mom, mom ...
    (m / f "Wolf and Calf")
    1. +68
      6 October 2022 11: 21
      This is just dense unprofessionalism, and not what capricious speeches of the Supreme at patriotic rallies will cover up the mediocrity of the General Staff and personally, I personally emphasize the Ministry of Defense. No matter how much we laugh, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did an excellent job of mobilizing and training, they are led into battle by NATO officers, and not mobilized reservist officers. Everything rests on the heroism of simple 40-50 year old men, in fact purely civilians. This is no longer a cry, but a stupid hatred of everything that happens, shut up the talkers from TV talking about the topic, here we can start, but not yet Frost to start smashing him (((all this is miserable, gentlemen, generals, at all times there was the concept of officer honor, you can’t command, go to the far corner of the trench and shoot yourself, but don’t make the face of a pitanthrope without a hint of thought and don’t ruin the soldiers mediocre ((((
      1. +37
        6 October 2022 11: 44
        For a long time I have not given an assessment of the course of the SVO, because, frankly, I am losing more and more the train of thought of the national General Staff and the headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

        This is probably bad and does not correspond to the spirit of patriotism declared by the President as the ideology of the country.

        And sometimes recalling the words of the President that we invested 30 billion green papers in Ukraine for 200 years, the thought comes, or maybe it was not necessary to invest as mediocre as our leadership in Ukraine, and these 200 billion should be spent on bribes to the right people in Ukraine, so as not to disentangle the grown Ukrainian Nazism.
        1. +34
          6 October 2022 12: 40
          Quote: credo
          invested in Ukraine for 200 billion.

          And now our oligarchs do not want to part with their property, therefore they do not destroy railways, electric / stations, substations and other infrastructure - bomb their own! Yes, not for anything! Therefore, Ukrainian logistics is still intact! am
          1. -4
            6 October 2022 14: 58
            It's not only and not so much about the oligarchs ...
          2. +1
            6 October 2022 16: 07
            These oligarchs have recently taken away 900 enterprises in Ukraine.
            Look, now, in half a year, things will go ...
        2. +14
          6 October 2022 12: 43
          Even worse. In my opinion, the vast majority of people see that the actions of the Russian government just contribute to the growth of Nazism and its recognition throughout the world, as Ukraine's struggle for freedom from "Russian aggression."
          Already wrote here about it.
          Russia with its kind policy of protecting Russians is bad for the whole world, and Ukraine with Nazi ideology is good.
          1. +1
            9 October 2022 10: 39
            Probably, this is because, in reality, the Russian Federation did not want to spit on the Russians, and the Russian Federation does not help the Russians at all, in no way, at all. Yes, even in the Russian Federation itself, declare that "it is necessary to help the Russians" - accusations of "Nazism" will immediately fall, they say, "Russia is a multinational country, it is impossible to single out any one nationality!"
        3. +9
          6 October 2022 13: 40
          and the headquarters of the Supreme Commander.

          What kind of bet is this? You did not confuse with the Great Patriotic War?
        4. +8
          6 October 2022 13: 45
          But the fact that?
          1. No one will be removed, maximum "in connection with the transition to another" job.
          2. Let's make some noise and calm down.
          3. And yes, I do not advise you to buzz during the database. The siloviki are always ready to stop "antics of liberal foreign agents."
          1. +3
            8 October 2022 06: 18
            . And yes, I do not advise you to buzz during the database. The siloviki are always ready to stop "antics of liberal foreign agents."
            Are you implying that this is why civilians go to war, while the security forces sit in the rear? There are fewer busoters, more guards.
            1. -4
              8 October 2022 14: 37
              he admitted it in plain text, but he did not understand it himself
              1. +2
                8 October 2022 19: 22
                Please note that I didn't say that... lol
                Although I can say that the command is completely homosexual. I don't give a fuck, I'm already convicted - I have a reservation. The military enlistment office told us we don't need criminals.
                Apparently they are afraid that I will shoot stupid commanders.
                People like me have only one chance, "to be called" to the musicians. While I'm thinking. There's a different demand there. There will not come out on the floor bumps, like our commander in chief.
                1. -5
                  8 October 2022 22: 55
                  the musicians have wild losses, otherwise they would not go to the zones convicted of murders and not only recruit
        5. +7
          6 October 2022 23: 55
          Quote: credo
          patriotism as the ideology of the country

          The ideology of the country? Interesting you mix.
          And the state's ideology is corruption.

          Quote: credo
          spend on bribes to the right people in Ukraine

          Yes, it’s normal to saw them all the way there. Like a boy.
          Here are just a few people were made an offer that they could not refuse. And "fraternal peoples", economic ties, etc. - all this is not important.
          The issue needed to be resolved much earlier and by other methods, but the lads were busy with other things.
      2. -4
        6 October 2022 12: 32
        Man is an emotional being.
        Through emotions, you can manipulate a person.
        There are manipulations in the family, in society, and, of course, they are used in war.

        The more I watch the picture in the media, the more I am convinced that they are trying, sorry, to sell us something. Like in a TV store or in a scam.

        The official media are pushing "Thunder of victory, resound", victorious reports. And they are silent about the problems. Only recently have voices begun to appear about errors, and about measures to solve them.

        The enemy... The enemy skillfully sows panic. Some kind of helplessness, defeatist mood. A skillfully pulled out picture, juggling or manipulation of facts - and .... Yes, we lost! This is the cry that is imposed on the head of the layman.

        What to do? Where should the poor peasant go?

        You need to do your job. Professional and honest. It is necessary to forge victory, starting from the workplace, from the family. Down with panic! No rumours! We need unity and popular society.

        It is necessary to eradicate corruption and the fifth column with an iron fist. You need to calmly, but firmly - talk about mistakes, do not be afraid to upset the authorities.

        But we are at war. We need censorship. After all, even an innocent photo taken somewhere in Belgorod or Kursk, a photo with equipment or our soldiers helps the enemy.

        The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours!

        New Russia will rise from fire and ashes!
        1. -2
          6 October 2022 13: 55
          We need unity and popular society.

          What's this? A call for a change in the constitutional order?
        2. +16
          6 October 2022 16: 06
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          It is necessary to eradicate corruption and the fifth column with an iron fist.

          Well, yes ... BEES AGAINST HONEY !!!!
          Who -thread touched for this?
          That's it! am
          1. +2
            7 October 2022 10: 41
            That's for sure. Numerous people who call for the revival of SMERSH, the foundation of revolutionary tribunals, committees against corruption, do not understand that in the current conditions, those structures are guaranteed to come to these structures who will see the redistribution of property in their pocket as their main task. Well, they will certainly have a plan for arrests and executions, as is usual with us, so they will carry it out. Due to small switchmen and the first ones that came to hand, for quantity.
            PS Not so long ago, a structure appeared in the Russian Federation to deal with high-ranking embezzlers of public funds - this is exactly what the Investigative Committee was thinking. Initially, there were several high-profile landings of governors, mayors, generals. Then they switched to the opposition, self-promotion, fuss in the sandbox. Each message about a resonant event ends with the phrase that Bastrykin took the matter under his personal control. And then - silence ... It will be exactly the same with the current SMERSHs and similar structures - they will easily fulfill the work plan by imprisoning a couple of bloggers who dared to express doubts about the genius of our Defense Ministry and General Staff (I’ll keep quiet about other personalities ...), as well as imprisoning everyone who expressed their agreement with the authors in the comments, and at the same time everyone who liked both the article and these comments. And then, after the implementation of the plan, they will do more interesting things - to protect the business, if possible - to squeeze.
        3. 0
          7 October 2022 12: 48
          That's right, but judging by how the author was downvoted, the provocateurs on the Military Review firmly settled down.
          1. +1
            8 October 2022 09: 31
            You're one of them.
            Quote from solist2424
            That's right, but judging by how the author was downvoted, the provocateurs on the Military Review firmly settled down.
        4. +1
          8 October 2022 06: 22
          You need to be calm, but tough - to talk about mistakes, not be afraid to upset the authorities.
          Does the boss need it? It is such talkers quickly under the article and on the bride price.
      3. +19
        6 October 2022 12: 41
        My battalion commander in the distant, still Soviet times said "lie, tryndesh (stronger, of course) and vile provocation!" regarding Western propaganda.
        Now this fully applies to our media! "Let's fuck it up, but ... it's not time yet!" "We haven't crossed the red line yet!" People have no special faith in the media! Although the second decade of "witnesses of the Unified State Examination Institute" is already underway, people have not been completely weaned from thinking and analyzing!
        It is difficult to judge the professionalism of the generals (although, of course, there are a lot of "parquet" there) due to the lack of a clearly defined PURPOSE of the NWO, the lack of a stable connection (the article indicates "tactical", to put it simply in any level of management), coordinated management and organization of interaction, and not only between branches and types of forces and means involved, but even neighboring units.
        And perhaps most importantly - the so-called "political will of the leadership"! Where is she?! Is it just not there, or is it sabotage!? Hence the "goals", and planning, and the leadership of the NWO, and logistics!
        We see the political will of the "Guidelines" - Abramovich, who gives iPhones to foreign ghouls freed from the death penalty, Medynsky, the "tough" negotiator, who is ready to sign the act of capitulation of Russia, and, in general, the "family" oligarchy, standing up only for the preservation of their "earned exorbitant labor" billions. ..
        Time, of course, is not working for us now, but maybe it is necessary to conduct an analogue of the SVO first in the rear?
        1. +11
          6 October 2022 16: 14
          Quote: Yngvar
          the main thing is the so-called "political will of the leadership"! Where is she?! Is it just not there, or is it sabotage!?

          This is not sabotage! This is an imitation! There is no Stalin on them !!!
          Quote: Yngvar
          an analogue of the SVO may first need to be in the rear?
          "Dreaming, one-eyed!" (With)
          - No, buddy! A raven will not peck out a crow's eye!
          There is no Smersh and the NKVD - that's why I thief freely ... Around the matchmaker and godfathers ... Relatives, their mother in a swing!
        2. +8
          6 October 2022 23: 29
          Quote: Yngvar
          maybe you need to conduct an analogue of the SVO first in the rear?

          Do you remember Rokhlin? Then they didn't, but now it's impossible. And even now you will not find such people in the daytime with fire.
          1. +2
            7 October 2022 12: 08
            Kvachkov .. On February 19, 2019, by court decision, he was released with the words “Colonel Kvachkov is ready for a campaign and battle!”
        3. +4
          7 October 2022 00: 46
          Quote: Yngvar
          lack of a stable connection (the article indicates "tactical"

          I recall a recent story when the special battalion responsible for the movement of top officials used Whatsapp.
          The absence is not surprising. Surprisingly, it has only now begun to reach.
          1. 0
            8 October 2022 10: 28
            the most interesting thing is that there are means of communication, the same duets were delivered in huge quantities in which both PRF and masking, and are easily tuned without any knowledge, which for some reason they don’t use, but use baofengs that listen when necessary, and when necessary - jamming. the feeling that all this is on purpose, and the mask did not just decide to intervene
            1. 0
              8 October 2022 11: 56
              the most interesting thing is that there are means of communication

              I came across a video where a certain officer gave a review to the regular walkie-talkies from the MO, more than 3 baofeng times, a range of 300 meters, it quickly discharges, in general, everyone tries to return these walkie-talkies back to the MO and get the baofeng.
              1. 0
                9 October 2022 22: 23
                in our radio stations, most often, the bourgeois element base, there are some of the best microcircuits like an analog device, sensibility at the level of modern commercial samples, the only thing that comes to mind is simply not the correct storage of lithium batteries, which do not like a full charge during storage, as well as a deep discharge, there are videos on YouTube for example of parsing "excitement" I somehow had to use a duet, the range is the same as that of competitors, since no one has canceled the laws of physics. the charge was enough for two days, unlike civilians, and plus buns in the form of masking, prch, and easy synchronization between stations via IR port. the dimensions are the same, only because of the metal case it’s more difficult most often the problem is that they don’t know how to use radeks .. although this is not about a duet, everything is simple and intuitive there. look at the reviews of professionals of the same harris, or passion. so all these are fairy tales of grandmother kupriyanikha that baofengs are better, all the more so when they work only in allowed very narrow frequency bands.
      4. +6
        6 October 2022 23: 09
        Quote from Silver99
        if you can't command, go to the far corner of the trench and shoot yourself

        Too bad the director won't do it. And the whole film studio?
        And the words HONOR are not in fashion these days. Most don't even know what it means.
      5. +4
        7 October 2022 07: 24
        I would also add here the personality of the Supreme, resting on the throne in blissful ignorance. It is impossible to even imagine such a blatant unwillingness to understand the situation and correct something. Total impotence.
        1. 0
          8 October 2022 09: 30
          Quote: anclevalico
          I would also add here the personality of the Supreme, resting on the throne in blissful ignorance. It is impossible to even imagine such a blatant unwillingness to understand the situation and correct something. Total impotence.

          Okay, is it true? Do you know and see everything?
        2. 0
          8 October 2022 12: 04
          supreme, resting on the throne

          In a real monarchy, they reign but do not rule, they do not get along in the situation. But on the other hand, they organize the process of selection and screening of high-quality leaders and managers, who take on the work. The president of 20 years in power is not quite a president, but he didn’t become a king either, he can’t pick up personnel and doesn’t rake himself in a galley, from here the galley is sailing the wrong way. You must either officially crown yourself or retire
      6. 0
        8 October 2022 09: 29
        Quote from Silver99
        This is just dense unprofessionalism, and not what capricious speeches of the Supreme at patriotic rallies will cover up the mediocrity of the General Staff and personally, I personally emphasize the Ministry of Defense. No matter how much we laugh, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did an excellent job of mobilizing and training, they are led into battle by NATO officers, and not mobilized reservist officers. Everything rests on the heroism of simple 40-50 year old men, in fact purely civilians. This is no longer a cry, but a stupid hatred of everything that happens, shut up the talkers from TV talking about the topic, here we can start, but not yet Frost to start smashing him (((all this is miserable, gentlemen, generals, at all times there was the concept of officer honor, you can’t command, go to the far corner of the trench and shoot yourself, but don’t make the face of a pitanthrope without a hint of thought and don’t ruin the soldiers mediocre ((((

        Put up a monument to them.
      7. 0
        19 October 2022 13: 09
        And you work as a super commander until your mother sees, right?
    2. +1
      7 October 2022 11: 26
      Previously, all wins by November 7th. Now for Putin's birthday. Only now it’s not a victory, but a kind of accession, which still needs to be kept.
    3. +3
      7 October 2022 11: 42
      Quote: AlexVas44
      - Well, that’s all, mom, mom ...

      Disappointing conclusions are being drawn. It looks like a "shift", Yeltsin was approved by the CIA as "sleeper agents". They allowed Hitler to gain "international authority", until a certain time, as in his time. But they took into account that the industrial independence of Germany created too big problems. When promoting the image of "Aggressive Russia", this was taken into account, and therefore, all key sectors of the economy were extinguished to the point of extreme dependence on the West. Like the armed forces, with all the propaganda, they are deprived of the main means of support, modern warfare. All actions of Russia are carried out in the most beneficial way for the United States, although they are presented as achievements. The meaning of all "weapon innovations" ends with advertising hype and piecewise use (the result of which we read in Russian sources, but do not know the real indicators). In general, all actions on NWO are more likely to compromise Russia and its armed forces, like "Colossus on straw feet". Excuse me, but all the "exercises", painfully, remind that Russia is being prepared for defeat, with further destruction, according to the plans "according to Brzezinski." "According to the concentration of forces of NATO and the entire Anglo-Saxon world, 300 thousand mobilized (especially the tightness with which they are collected), the fate of 300 Spartans is assigned. And will they give time for further replenishment? All this begins to arouse suspicion, but they really succeed, or whether our strategic nuclear forces will be able to somehow "twitch" with such leadership.
      I myself am, the population of Russia, in my seventies, I am of little use on the front line. The whole burden of the betrayal of the tops will fully affect my family. I really want to believe that I survived from the mind and the above-described phantasmagoria is only a fruit of my mind, BUT ... Maybe, all the same, "it's better to die standing than to live on your knees"?
    4. 0
      8 October 2022 07: 04
      Strange-smelling hole definition is more correct
  2. -22
    6 October 2022 11: 12
    In fact, both Finland and Sweden have long been integrated into NATO.
    It is not a fact that it would have been easier in 2014, if there had been the same sanctions and the same arms supplies.
    It's all pretty debatable.
    1. +39
      6 October 2022 11: 17
      Not the fact that in 2014 it would be easier

      In 2014, there would have been a Crimean scenario and total support for the entire East of Ukraine.
      1. +19
        6 October 2022 11: 58
        In 2014 there would be a Crimean scenario
        Even the most repulsed trolls from the censor admit that in 2014 the RF Armed Forces would have been greeted with flowers everywhere except Lvov.
      2. +1
        6 October 2022 16: 02
        But what Nazarbayev would do in 2014, they didn’t think. A - Crimea, B - Donbass, further alphabetically North Kazakhstan. Russian lands. That's when it came up with possible atomic strikes in the south of Russia, then Nazarbayev was removed and the SVO quickly approached.
        Well, I won’t even comment on the conduct of the CBO. As long as the energy structure is intact in Ukraine, there will be no sense. Maybe when the South Streams blow it up, they will think about it. Don't know.
        1. 0
          7 October 2022 00: 00
          Quote: Vlad-world
          That's when Nazarbayev was removed with possible atomic strikes in the south of Russia

          Are these your thoughts or am I missing something?
          Where did you get the information?
          1. 0
            7 October 2022 21: 16
            1 Ukraine has declared its desire to join the nuclear club. In vain they say they gave away nuclear weapons. Before declaring a desire, work is being carried out - whether such a desire can be realized or not. The work was carried out and very successfully.
            2 At the very beginning, two nuclear power plants were taken under control. A battalion of paratroopers did not spare Chernobol. On Zaporizhzhya there was information found a certain amount of plutonium and enriched weapons-grade uranium.
            3 Certain production facilities capable of producing an atomic charge were blown up. Within a certain time. These are the Ukrainians themselves in order to wipe their tracks.
            4 There is no crime that a traitor will not commit in order to take revenge on the one whom he betrayed.
            5 We take 1 and 2 and draw a straight line and get the atomic bombing of the south of Russia in 22 at most 23. Yes, and from rather high stands, calls and threats of atomic bombings sounded. Somewhere like that.
            1. -1
              8 October 2022 00: 39
              Quote: Vlad-world
              we get atomic bombings of southern Russia in 22, maximum 23.

              No, it doesn't have to be yourself. This is a hospital.
              Either propagandists worked out.
              Unrealistic scenario. I'm not talking about the technical side.
              1. 0
                8 October 2022 06: 30
                No, it doesn't have to be yourself. This is a hospital.
                Either propagandists worked out.
                Unrealistic scenario. I'm not talking about the technical side.
                And the drug fuhrer stupefied urging NATO to launch a nuclear strike on Russia is not a hospital? Taam, the whole of Ukraine is already a solid hospital requiring emergency trepanation.
                1. 0
                  8 October 2022 12: 05
                  Quote from Rustic
                  requiring emergency trepanation.

                  Yes, I'm the first for trepanation, amputation and disposal.
                  In the case of Ukrainian landscape, trimming is not a sin.
                  But let's just look soberly at both the insane neighbors and our megastrategists.
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2022 12: 28
                    Soberly look, it is relying on yourself and not expecting someone to do your job. Here the ciscos like to say, why aren't you in the trenches yet? And if only someone would say, why aren’t you at the control panel of Yars yet?
              2. 0
                9 October 2022 20: 01
                Point 4 re-read. Or they have "Love" to us big.
                1. -1
                  10 October 2022 09: 59
                  Judging by how the situation is developing, anything can be allowed without 4 points. The initiative is neither their side. Vova was placed in an uncomfortable position.
                  As another "argument", a radioactive scenario with the accusation of Russia is apparently possible.
                  The trouble is that a great chess player even plays checkers badly. Draws lines.
                  And everyone who is interested is watching.
    2. 0
      6 October 2022 11: 48
      Quote: Cottodraton
      In fact, both Finland and Sweden have long been integrated into NATO.

      I will tell you more, neither Finland nor Sweden, even in the USSR, were considered as friendly countries and the garrisons on the northwestern border of the USSR were sharpened to counter the threat of enemy invasion from these territories, as well as from Norway.
      1. +7
        6 October 2022 12: 18
        Quote: credo
        I will tell you more, neither Finland nor Sweden, even in the USSR, were considered as friendly countries and the garrisons on the northwestern border of the USSR were sharpened to counter the threat of enemy invasion from these territories, as well as from Norway.


        Just the same, Finland was considered friendly.
        We even had an allied treaty, which stipulated the provision of military assistance to Finland in the event of a third party entering there.
        "Article 1

        In the event that Finland or the Soviet Union, through the territory of Finland, become the object of military aggression on the part of Germany or any state allied with it, Finland, true to its duty as an independent state, will fight to repel the aggression. In doing so, Finland shall devote all forces at her disposal to the defense of the inviolability of her territory on land, at sea and in the air, acting within her borders in accordance with her obligations under this treaty, with the assistance, if necessary, of the Soviet Union or together with him.

        In the above cases, the Soviet Union will provide Finland with the necessary assistance, on the provision of which the parties will agree with each other.


        https://dzen.ru/media/id/5ebd9303a23e1560113ee2b6/626799c880e0203390b9da91
        1. +4
          6 October 2022 12: 35
          Quote: icant007
          Just the same, Finland was considered friendly.
          We even had an allied treaty, which stipulated the provision of military assistance to Finland in the event of a third party entering there.

          Perhaps this was the rare case when the signed agreement did not reflect the real vision of the situation by the military leadership of the USSR, because, unlike politicians, they did not believe in friendship with the Finns and gave the officers, sergeants and soldiers a correct understanding of the situation.

          This is how it is, and not otherwise.
          1. ada
            0
            6 October 2022 23: 51
            Quote: credo
            ... the military leadership of the USSR, because, unlike politicians, they did not believe in friendship with the Finns and gave officers, sergeants and soldiers a correct understanding of the situation. ...

            I confirm Yes
          2. 0
            7 October 2022 13: 17
            Quote: credo
            This is how it is, and not otherwise.


            Nevertheless, there was military-technical cooperation.
            It would be better if we no longer believed in Poland.
            And so they left them and let them produce our armored vehicles.

            sergeants and soldiers were given a correct understanding of the situation.

            after all, in Poland such an understanding was not given.
        2. 0
          7 October 2022 10: 50
          We even had an allied treaty, which stipulated the provision of military assistance to Finland in the event of a third party entering there.

          It could also be called a treaty of selfless love, but in fact it meant that if troops and military infrastructure of third countries (primarily NATO) were deployed in Finland, the USSR would immediately occupy Finnish territory, of course, in order to provide allied assistance.
    3. +1
      6 October 2022 12: 35
      There is a good proverb: a spoon is expensive for dinner.
    4. 0
      7 October 2022 11: 28
      Debatable. And there is. But .., History knows no subjunctive. Result question. And while he, the result is not very good.
    5. 0
      8 October 2022 12: 15
      It is not a fact that in 2014 it would have been easier, if there had been the same sanctions

      There would have been sanctions, but Ukraine would have fallen at its feet like a ripe fruit, without a single caliber shot, then everything that was most combat-ready fell into the boilers, the titushki would be easily dispersed, and there were many pro-Russians among the population.
      But alas, the yachts and estates of the oligarchs were more important for the guarantor than the Russian Federation.
  3. +10
    6 October 2022 11: 12
    If there are no clear goals, tasks, deadlines ....., then the outfit of forces and means for such an operation is not clear.
    Half a year has passed ..... Is there clarity in the goals? If you stop at any borders and pause, then the next 100 km must be turned into a gray zone saturated with DRGs ..... And controlled by aviation. Now we can't do that...
    1. +23
      6 October 2022 11: 27
      It is no longer possible to stop .. The West will not agree to any world peace, it was not for this that all this was started. Only the capitulation of Russia .. With all the consequences for us .. This time, they won’t let us go alive, repeating the mistake of 1991 ..

      To take only part of Ukraine means to postpone the war for several years. For its renewal is simply inevitable. We already did this in 2014 - and what is the result? We cannot let the enemy recover and gain strength - in another 8 years, the alignment for us will be even more sad. The West will pump up Tsegabonia so that we may not be able to cope. So, now we have no choice. Only a victory. Any palliatives will be outright betrayal ..

      But why everything turned out that way and who should be responsible for draining the Russian spring then is a separate conversation ..
      1. 0
        6 October 2022 11: 45
        This means that the outfit of forces and means must be counted for such a war ..... And to develop a standard method ...... And attract the population from the liberated territory
        1. +1
          6 October 2022 11: 57
          Recall the old - Not to fat! We should hold out the day, but stand the night!
          1. +1
            6 October 2022 15: 39
            Moreover, we always drive ourselves into such a situation .....
          2. 0
            6 October 2022 16: 29
            Quote: zenion
            Recall the old - Not to fat!

            Good idea! And that's what comes to my mind ... Such an association, historical, looms ... Yes
            1. The current SVO (strange war) is similar to the Soviet-Finnish war of 1938. The same dashing quirks and the same blood washing with loss of equipment and face ... But then there were individuals who managed to draw the right conclusions from all that was. Will there be now - the question ...
            2. The West will not rest on this. There will definitely be a provocation with tactical nuclear weapons, which will put the world on the brink of WW3... John Bull's ears are already visible. Uncle Sam is also interested in this.
            3. In no case will it be necessary to wait for June 22, it will be necessary to jam immediately and with all available power!
            The Anglo-Saxons are not going to let us live on free bread. From the word COMPLETELY. They have already drawn conclusions for themselves from the history of 1991 ...
            Therefore - you need to beat first and to death.
            And then history will judge: who is right and who is not!
            IMHO.
            1. +1
              7 October 2022 10: 07
              Quite right ... Neighbors are looking at us and our warriors .....
            2. 0
              7 October 2022 21: 58
              1. In the 80s, Gorbachev worked for the West.
              2. In the 90s, Yeltsin was under the clear control of the West.
              3. Instead of Yeltsin, who discredited himself, they picked up Putin (this or today's, it doesn't matter).
              So who will jam and hit the soldiers of the West? Is Putin an Fed agent? Probably not. Then either you or no one.
              And the history generated by the Fed will say nothing of the sort, even if it happens. Something else is needed here, but I won’t say what.
        2. Alf
          +2
          6 October 2022 20: 30
          Quote: Zaurbek
          This means that the outfit of forces and means must be counted for such a war .....

          And where to get this outfit of forces? If there were no pants in the warehouses ...
          1. -1
            7 October 2022 10: 02
            1. Russ to shoot the supplies.
            2. The form is sewn quite quickly. This is not a cruiser. Sewing enterprises shaft..
            3. Training of warriors must be done in advance .... Expand the call and re-train who needs to be serially.
            4. Remove military builders from BAM ..... Instruct whoever needs to build
            5. Maybe think and stop the departure of those who need to .....
            6. Call for retraining of Aeroflot pilots who are sitting idle ...
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            2. Alf
              0
              7 October 2022 19: 58
              Quote: Zaurbek
              1. Russ to shoot the supplies.
              2. The form is sewn quite quickly. This is not a cruiser. Sewing enterprises shaft..
              3. Training of warriors must be done in advance .... Expand the call and re-train who needs to be serially.
              4. Remove military builders from BAM ..... Instruct whoever needs to build
              5. Maybe think and stop the departure of those who need to .....
              6. Call for retraining of Aeroflot pilots who are sitting idle ...

              1. I agree, but we must start with the head of the supply service.
              2. Sewing shaft, yes, but there are a couple of nuances - They are private, and, therefore, the MO does not obey. And yet, the material is imported, with all the ensuing consequences, there is none of its own ..
              3. I absolutely agree, I will add, the service life should be extended to the old standards of 2 years.
              4. Explain.
              5. Are you proposing to violate the constitution, which guarantees freedom of movement? Although it has been "corrected" so many times already ...
              6. What should they be retrained for? From Boeing and Watermelon to SU-25? Not funny...
              1. 0
                7 October 2022 22: 22
                Private traders will sew superbly ... pay money. MO is not the most desirable client for private traders, many firms have lost business due to non-payments by MO……and suing him is useless and dangerous to freedom. As for departures or non-departure of the contingent. Why then the call and coercion of some, if you can stupidly evade and a significant part of the media and talking heads will only support and approve this? It turns out that we have a shaft of guys up to 35 ... .. they left and we went to call on guys for 45?
                1. Alf
                  0
                  8 October 2022 17: 38
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  Private traders will sew superbly ... pay money. MO is not the most desirable client for private traders, many firms have lost business due to non-payments by MO……and suing him is useless and dangerous to freedom. As for departures or non-departure of the contingent. Why then the call and coercion of some, if you can stupidly evade and a significant part of the media and talking heads will only support and approve this? It turns out that we have a shaft of guys up to 35 ... .. they left and we went to call on guys for 45?

                  And what about points 1,3,6?
              2. +1
                9 October 2022 15: 33
                . What should they be retrained for? From Boeing and Watermelon to SU-25? Not funny...


                Pilots? Judging by the crash of the Superjet with the death of dozens of passengers, there were almost no pilots left there. They don't know how to pilot. Here are the knobs to twist, yes. They are just computer operators. Of course, there are exceptions in this "family", but just try to find some.
      2. +15
        6 October 2022 11: 54
        Quote: paul3390
        But why everything turned out that way and who should be responsible for draining the Russian spring then is a separate conversation ..

        How, figuratively speaking, having only trump cards in hand, it was necessary to manage to lose so mediocre, indeed, it is very difficult to understand.

        Partial and belated mobilization, maybe the topic here is not to immediately create a shock fist, but to lose people in parts ...

        "Everything is according to plan", if this plan is brought to a handle and a humiliating ultimatum from the West is accepted, then this is probably a plan. To surrender immediately, being a nuclear power, the only one in the world that can destroy the United States with guarantee, it is unlikely that the people and the army could understand this, even though we have capitalism and oligarchs.
        1. +7
          6 October 2022 12: 42
          Quote: Per se.
          if this plan is brought to a handle and a humiliating ultimatum from the West is accepted
          It seems that this is the "brilliant plan"!
      3. +1
        6 October 2022 12: 33
        The West is still going to go, but Russia will have to bear rehearsal costs, financial losses, but the West needs resources.
        Here is the classic “game theory” what are the chances of trying to squeeze Ukraine to the end and not get the collapse of your own country due to the fact that you need to mobilize 2-3 million people and fight for 2-3 years or look for a new Khasavyurt at best, at worst “Paris congress”, but save the country.
        So far, for 8 months, it has been clear that the entire NWO was a gamble in which the threat to Russia was greatly exaggerated, if the Kremlin was really worried about Russian citizens in the Donbass, then the most optimal strategy after recognizing the LPR and DPR was to bring armed forces into their territory, then the number would be my opinion is enough that everyone would calm down on this, since de facto the LNR and the DNR have already been “independent” from Ukraine for eight years.
        1. ada
          0
          7 October 2022 00: 05
          Quote from: filibuster
          ... NWO was a gamble in which Russia's threat was greatly exaggerated...

          The naivety of the population has no boundaries, and all the long-term efforts of the West are seen by him as a harmless hobby or a kind of national fun. wassat
          1. 0
            7 October 2022 11: 10
            That's for sure, faith in a good king around whom you need to rally from an external threat is very strong.
      4. -1
        7 October 2022 09: 27
        Oh, how now there is a lack of a tough and specific leader, such as Stalin! Disperse the entire fifth column to logging sites (or a penal battalion) and the most harmful ones to be shot.
        And then ours lisps with them for a long time, what does he hope for? Or is he with them in the same cart and along the way? Unclear. The outlook is still bleak.
    2. 0
      6 October 2022 12: 25
      Or a paradoxical conclusion suggests itself - sitting on the defensive is more dangerous for us than an offensive.
      So, from a place with a song, a counterattack in the spirit of June 24, 1941.
      By the way, in 1941 we also could not defend ourselves. Because they were preparing for defense, not offensive.
      Defensive topics were planned by combat training plans for the second half of 1941. History has shown that they worked to the fullest.
      1. +1
        6 October 2022 12: 43
        What has history shown? Did you understand what you wrote?
        1. 0
          6 October 2022 17: 43
          Quote: Sergey028
          What has history shown? Did you understand what you wrote?


          I understood that. Maybe I phrased it wrong.
          I will say so. The topic of defense was already being worked out in the practice of the war, but exactly as planned for the second half of the 41st.
          Fershtein? )
      2. 0
        6 October 2022 16: 03
        Moreover, sitting on the defensive was predicted .... This was not a surprise.
    3. -2
      7 October 2022 00: 15
      Quote: Zaurbek
      If there are no clear goals, objectives, deadlines

      There is a certain concept, a corridor, and within this framework the great strategist is trying to maneuver.
      Even the majority of the livestock began to realize that not only the last six months, but all the way, they were going over their ears.
      1. 0
        7 October 2022 22: 25
        But you must admit that you need to have forces and means at the ready, based on the worst-case scenario ... ... and not from the fact that everyone will immediately surrender.
        1. 0
          8 October 2022 00: 34
          Yes, I agree, you are right.
          But I'm not talking about that. The concept is not Vovochkin. The show is not his.
          Apparently, he CANNOT and only tries to portray.
  4. -9
    6 October 2022 11: 15
    Strange contradiction. This means that in 2014 the Ukrainian army consisted mainly of Russian soldiers and officers, who would have surrendered as soon as they saw the Russian army in the steppes of Ukraine. And in eight years, the CIA and MI6 turned them into non-Russian staunch Bandera followers with nothing more than anti-Russian propaganda? How is it possible to make a Russian person non-Russian in just eight years? And who needs such a "Russian" person if he doesn't care?
    1. +29
      6 October 2022 11: 26
      There are no contradictions. Firstly, most of the pro-Russian ones from the Ukrainian army were "cleaned out" during this time. Secondly, the mood in the army itself was changing - there was propaganda, and dead friends / relatives, etc. Eight years is a long time.
      1. +5
        6 October 2022 12: 01
        changing moods in the army itself
        The visa-free regime played its role - the Ukrainians believed that they were about to open the European feeding trough.
      2. +8
        6 October 2022 12: 31
        It is not so much the Russians that are hated there, but specifically Putin.
        Based on this logic, then Putin was popular in Ukraine, oddly enough. But it is precisely this discourse that the local media have corrected well over the past 8 years. And already this dish was seasoned with all sorts of Orc-Horde powder and Nazi-pagan sauce.
        1. +1
          6 October 2022 13: 48
          Based on this logic, then Putin was popular in Ukraine, oddly enough.

          So it was, it was very popular.
          And for 8 years the situation has not changed much - this can be seen in relation to joining NATO. It broke exactly on 24.02.
    2. IC
      +3
      6 October 2022 12: 33
      No CIA and MI6 for you. They are not capable of this. This is the result of stupid anti-Ukrainian propaganda and Moscow's illiterate policy.
      Thanks to this, the level of public support for joining NATO has increased from 40% to 83%.
    3. 0
      8 October 2022 13: 00
      Strange contradiction. This means that in 2014 the Ukrainian army consisted mainly of Russian soldiers and officers.

      They were not directly Russians, they had an underfunding of the army and it was morally weak, in terms of equipment and training, as well as the Maidan coup, literally broke the state administration of Ukraine, in 14 they could be taken with bare hands. Over the course of 8 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were equipped, trained, including at NATO training grounds, raised their spirits, repressed pro-Russian political forces, and prepared the population for war by dehumanizing the Russian Federation. In the year 22, the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a formidable motivated force.

      MI6 made them non-Russian convinced Bandera

      It wasn't MI6 that did it, it made the USA with all its might, through
      a network of NGOs, through pushing nationalists into power.
      The power of cognitive influence is amazing, speaking and thinking in Russian hates this Russian language.
  5. +18
    6 October 2022 11: 16
    Olya article - explanation. Today I have already read 2 of these here, and the unread ones are still open ...
    But what, they didn’t know, they didn’t remember BEFORE February 24 about the negative selection, window dressing, unfulfilled promises, which had no analogues in the world, disappeared into nowhere, about strange coincidences and the crushed “Russian spring”? It turns out short memory.

    So? - a question from the article. People are driving all the same. Who recently lobbied Boeing and hid his son in Omerik, and now teaches everyone to live and writes memes, as he "hates". Those who recently stood up clapping for Amer's senators have reliably protected themselves from the operation and conscription, and expect to continue to lead ...
    All these "Why, why, why ..." are secondary, and are connected precisely with the leadership and the economic / military / political opportunity, which is classified ...
    1. 0
      7 October 2022 00: 28
      Quote: Max1995
      hope to continue to lead...

      One clarification: they do not count, but they will do it.
      This elite under the control or supporting (as it suits you) the sun-faced will determine how the country will live.
      Are people able to say no?
  6. -1
    6 October 2022 11: 17
    About "everything according to plan" Peskov constantly repeated, and not just the Moscow Region.
  7. +7
    6 October 2022 11: 18
    We are constantly told about the numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine created during the summer months. However, what was the leadership of Russia doing at that time, information to which, of course, was received? It was easy to find even in telegram channels. It turns out that there is a game of giveaway.
    1. 0
      8 October 2022 13: 25
      However, what was management doing at that time?

      They organized celebrations.
      It looks like they will take Moscow, and the leadership will open 2 unparalleled tsar Ferris wheel, even higher than 1 largest wheel in the EU.
  8. +20
    6 October 2022 11: 21
    Without motivation, any army is doomed to failure But with motivation we have no way And there are no prospects 90% of the current mobilized have absolutely no desire to endanger their lives for no reason And this is a fact
    1. +8
      6 October 2022 12: 07
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      no desire to expose (fight) it is not clear why And this is a fact

      The very essence.
    2. +8
      6 October 2022 16: 42
      Dear Sergey Nikiforov! Why "it is not clear why"? For capitalism "with a human face", which was built and is being built in Russia "with terrible force", for Abromiovich and Gref, Sobchak and Galkin, Mordashov and Potanin, Alikperov and Durov, Fridman with Urgant to boot ... For the Unified State Examination and a new pension reform, for paid medicine, devastated villages and small towns (with rare exceptions), for a de-ideologized society of "qualified consumers" (according to Gref), for "qualified managers" at all levels of government, for "indifferent" on a state scale, for corruption, turned into a "national sport" ... Continue on? I agree that there are only a few truly ideological, in the sense of Christian or socialist motivated ... An army (war) for a certain group of the population of the Country is a way out of poverty, insecurity, unemployment, an opportunity for the family and oneself to get out of the financial "pit" of the modern domestic life... Of course, if you're lucky on the front lines... Hope, as they say, "dies last..."
      1. 0
        6 October 2022 17: 56
        Somehow I didn’t understand the first part of your text. It’s probably the influence of our TV. I can agree with the second thesis, there are a certain number of fatalists, but there are not so many of them anymore, especially after visiting local cemeteries people are wild, Slav to Slavs to And this is in a country where half of the families have Russian-Ukrainian roots
      2. 0
        8 October 2022 13: 37
        devastated villages
        de-ideologized society of "qualified consumers


        And you have the thinking of a philosopher, complex categories, the meaning of life to be or not to be, to listen to you, then any capitalist state with rich people and oligarchs is doomed to failure. But the Western capital of the country with the rich and the oligarchs had in the past and now have quite powerful combat-ready armies. Because the army is a hierarchical structure, there is no philosophy; there is an order that must be followed.
    3. 0
      7 October 2022 00: 32
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      we have no motivation

      In this state, one motivation is money.
    4. 0
      8 October 2022 13: 31
      Without motivation, any army is doomed to failure.

      You didn’t serve in the army, you don’t understand what it is, so you write nonsense. In the army, they act on orders, it resembles a submarine; if you get there, you can’t leave.
      1. -1
        8 October 2022 15: 24
        32 calendars, with preferential 37 more.? Rank.? Senior officer
  9. +2
    6 October 2022 11: 24
    Open the election speeches of the "bright-faced" with his plans - and what is happening will not surprise you ... The commentary is my personal opinion.
  10. +3
    6 October 2022 11: 24
    But he was well prepared for the tank biathlon.
  11. -6
    6 October 2022 11: 25
    Let's talk about the stated goals of the special operation and what we have today.
    . The question is ... and our reasoning, is WHAT? What is this for?
    What will change if we continue to grind water in a mortar???
    Someone can explain this?
    Once again blow off steam on the whistle??? What for?
    1. +12
      6 October 2022 11: 29
      Don't like it - don't read it. What's the question? And so I pointed out - without punishing the guilty, changing approaches to war (NVO), it will be lost.
      1. -8
        6 October 2022 12: 14
        Ek got you through? And why exactly?
        In the essence of the article, there is nothing new, it is here, and in many places, it is discussed and approved ... people realized that we have a lot of things wrong!
        But what are the conclusions, suggestions? Pretty much the same as most of the others.
        Do you believe that in this way it is possible to fundamentally change something or be content with little, i.e. solve problems as they come?
        But somehow the whole history of the world suggests that without solving the main thing, there will be problems ... no less, at least, or even increasing.
        Directly schaz s to find the most guilty and punish them !!!
        Are you sure that it will be so, so possible???
        Remember the good Soviet film "Volga, Volga" .... as the main anti-hero said there ... "Mary Ivanna, take the old marriage from the client and give them a new one !!!"
        Doesn't it suggest any thoughts?
        This is what I call blowing off steam on the whistle ....
      2. -5
        6 October 2022 14: 36
        Well, shoot these generals, how will this help the front? weapons will appear immediately, people?
        1. +2
          6 October 2022 17: 18
          weapons will appear immediately, people?

          Yeah))) Immediately appear factories for the production of electronics for UAVs.
  12. +3
    6 October 2022 11: 25
    There is a feeling that no one controls anything. NWO is just a disaster. Mobilization again bards. software is the same.
  13. +22
    6 October 2022 11: 26
    I don’t even want to discuss the CBO, it’s just some kind of absurdity.

    It seems that in the General Staff and intelligence, which is with him, complete mediocrity is working.

    Why was a campaign against Kyiv necessary, when it would have been more logical to encircle the grouping in the Donbass?! And force them to surrender, or at least deprive them of supplies to begin with, and then smash them.

    Why did the mobilization in Ukraine, which everyone was aware of from the first days of the NMD, come as a surprise to the command of our army and led to an escape from the Kharkov direction, leaving behind a bunch of equipment?

    Didn't the General Staff understand and realize that the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is growing, mobilization in a country with a population of 30 will give the front hundreds of thousands of soldiers. And today the General Staff is mumbling something that the number of the enemy is already a multiple of our forces there?! On separate sites 000 to 000!!! And if they were aware, then why didn’t they do anything to counter it?!

    Shame and shame.

    The people share their hard-earned money, after paying the tax, with the army, buy everything from clothing and food to communications, surveillance equipment and bulletproof vests.

    And what about our commanders from the General Staff, the FSB and other "cool" structures, which the people support on taxes?

    Where are the supplies and purchases for our army of all the essentials? Why are the Armed Forces of Ukraine better equipped than the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

    Why on Avito they sell new body armor and helmets, reconnaissance pipes for observation, but this is not in the army ?! How is this possible?!

    It seems that the Russian General Staff has sold out to the CIA and is doing everything to ensure that Russia loses this war.
    1. -7
      6 October 2022 11: 44
      The campaign against Kyiv was in itself a good move. It seems that our armored vehicles even moved through the streets. But the operation apparently was worked out poorly, first of all in terms of the number of troops. Similarly with Kharkov.
      1. +7
        6 October 2022 12: 49
        Quote: Former soldier
        in the first place in terms of the number of troops.

        Any lieutenant knows the ratio of troops during the offensive: 3 to 1! And we have 1 to 3 and this is presented as a genius strategy! A lot of dope, reluctant to list everything ....
    2. +4
      6 October 2022 12: 56
      Hmm ... But this is still a funeral for the dead mobilized did not go. When they go, then the popular discontent will reach its peak. Is the spiral of history dragging us inexorably towards 1917?
      1. -1
        6 October 2022 16: 52
        Quote: Sergey028
        Hmm ... But this is still a funeral for the dead mobilized did not go. When they go, then the popular discontent will reach its peak. Is the spiral of history dragging us inexorably towards 1917?

        Yes, the states are counting on internal unrest ...
        And everything will be tailored for 2024, for the presidential election. All the discontent of the people, all the fakes in the media and the provocations of the liberda and the fifth column will coincide with this! This is where loyalty and loyalty will be tested! And if those in power do not change their course in relation to the "untouchables" and "non-judgmental" - we are in for a very difficult time!
        There is nothing more terrible than a civil war ... Here it must not be allowed under any circumstances! And for this, the government must be strong and popular!
        AHA.
        1. ada
          +1
          7 October 2022 00: 38
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Yes, the states are counting on internal unrest ...
          And everything will be tailored for 2024, for the presidential election. ...

          According to some external signs, the US and US-NATO military planning in the European theater of operations (middle countries) should have been mastered by the period 2023 - 2025, in particular plans of the "Defender" type. In my opinion, cardinal changes in the pace and direction of the training of NATO coalition forces took place approx. in 2020, the United States began to intensively prepare for a different situation in the theater of operations, at my discretion - in order to withdraw itself and some of the satellites from a likely strike, but while maintaining the main military goals for the bloc's joint military forces or the national armed forces of the bloc member countries involved in independent initiative. The CBO changed the situation somewhat and pushed back the deadlines. Your conclusion is obvious even to those unfamiliar with Western military planning. I support.
  14. +3
    6 October 2022 11: 28
    oh, and the cunning people are diverse, the imbecile (as Korzhakov called him, in my opinion) generally didn’t understand why, when the main cunning one asked them what we were going to do, grandmother, how was her main in the council of regional cunning people, what did they do to make people on these territories were safe, NO FUCK (garden vegetable), how they sat in their offices, halls, and they sit, that they thought that the council, to abolish half of 100% crooks, thieves, that Vasya from the council hall was barely pulled out by the FSB.
    1. 0
      6 October 2022 12: 05
      This horseradish (bad vegetable) - horseradish you bring out, will still germinate and bloom in a lush color. It looks especially luxurious by the pool, you can describe yourself with delight, even without a cocktail, most importantly, not in the pool.
  15. kig
    -1
    6 October 2022 11: 32
    the main task at the moment is the protection of new Russian territories
    Our esteemed President repeatedly and firmly repeated: all tasks will be completed. When? This is another question. Now, if there is another straight line, you can ask him.
    1. +4
      6 October 2022 11: 54
      Do not ask (((neither you nor me will be allowed with our questions (((yes, I personally got the impression that the Supreme himself does not have an answer why he started an unprepared SVO, the article poses a question that everyone asked from the very beginning, well, let's free we are the South-East, and then what? They don’t wait for us beyond the Dnieper at all and it’s stupid to hope for the depletion of the resources of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they cook them like hot cakes at NATO bases, plus mercenaries, unlike our musketeer war with incomprehensible blurry goals. It didn’t sound patriotic, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting at home, for their home in the rear, and we are going on a liberation mission, the fighters have different goals and motivations.
      1. kig
        +1
        6 October 2022 15: 05
        Quote from Silver99
        why did he start an unprepared SVO

        Why unprepared? Can such an event be unprepared? Back in November last year, the world media began to publish satellite images of camps with troops on the border with Ukraine, both from Russia and in Crimea. Ours continued to reassure - these are maneuvers, our territory, we do what we want. Then followed almost an ultimatum to NATO, they ignored. The Supreme Commander, Lavrov, and Shoigu smiled enigmatically, and it began. Tasks for the military are set by politicians, whatever you say. Apparently, the Chief Military Officer was summoned to the Main Cabinet, where he was told: it is necessary to demilitarize and denazify, and do it in a week, with minimal destruction and without casualties. Well, it took off. Suddenly it turned out that it didn’t work out in a week. It suddenly turned out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were behaving in a completely different way than in Crimea in 14. Suddenly it turned out that ... In short, there are no words, only interjections.
  16. +4
    6 October 2022 11: 34
    All these problems that are listed in the article cannot be solved at once. The military-political leadership had 8 years to prepare for war, but in the end, nothing was done. It is completely incomprehensible how to win without communications, without intelligence, without adequate command, without air supremacy, without modern long-range artillery, etc.
    We need time and urgent, tough measures to reform the Armed Forces, but there is just no time, and there is no desire to radically change something “above” either. And yes, we urgently need to prepare the defense of the Crimea.
  17. -10
    6 October 2022 11: 35
    Russia cannot send troops to Ukraine, because otherwise “the third world war will begin”, and the Russian Federation is specially “lured” there by the insidious Americans. And so it happened, only the Americans managed to have fun there on bacteriology
    1. +3
      6 October 2022 13: 01
      well, twenty-five again, we don’t see any problems, we don’t need to solve them, America is to blame for everything
  18. +1
    6 October 2022 11: 36
    “Strange Military Operation” is what everyone has on their tongue, the Russian Defense Ministry is fighting really strange ..
    "There are no answers to the questions - why are the infrastructure of Western Ukraine not being attacked, for example, the Dobrotvorskaya thermal power plant, which often supplies electricity to Poland, but at the same time, the thermal power plant in Kharkov is being attacked? Why are the bridges across the Dnieper not being attacked? Why did our drones attack some obscure objects in Odessa and Nikolaev, while heavy fighting was fought in Liman, ending with the retreat of our troops?"
  19. +6
    6 October 2022 11: 37
    Before the start of any war - cold, hot, economic, or some other - it is necessary to clearly formulate two postulates: 1. GOAL-SETTING - what should be hit as a result of the actions of the army, special services, population, etc., 2. CLEARLY DESIGNATE AND EXTREMELY CLEAR FORMULATE THE CRITERION OF VICTORY - what exactly will be considered a victory, and announce it before the start of hostilities. Well, so that it doesn’t work out like from the Second World War - we seem to have stuffed our faces, but for some reason they live better than us - if beaten faces are considered the criterion for victory, then we won, but if the standard of living after the war - the answer is obvious. I hope that I convinced you, my friends, that these two points should not only be carefully worked out BEFORE the start of hostilities, but also communicated to the population as clearly as possible so that there would be a statistical minimum of runners and refuseniks, and not a mass exodus. So, in my opinion, having started the NWO, our leadership did not have the slightest idea about goal-setting and the criteria for victory. All further jambs grow from this fundamental miscalculation.
  20. -1
    6 October 2022 11: 38
    Back in May-June, there were enough people to hold the territories and even attack, but the senseless assaults of the Ukrainian fortified areas in the forehead led to the fact that the infantry (especially the People's Militia of the LPR and DPR) was "wearing off", and there was no one to replenish it.

    can't be! Shoigu said that the losses were less than 6000
    1. +1
      6 October 2022 12: 21
      Quote: Mikhail Ya2
      can't be! Shoigu said that the losses were less than 6000

      One does not contradict the other. Shoigu reported on the losses of the Russian Defense Ministry, but there is also the National Guard, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the LDNR army
    2. +1
      6 October 2022 12: 29
      Well, he did not say whose losses it was.
      6000 is only MO, apparently
      And also the National Guard, the corps of the LNR / DNR, whose losses are not considered in the Moscow Region ...
    3. +1
      6 October 2022 13: 09
      Quote: Mikhail Ya2
      Ukrainian fortified areas in the forehead


      Yes, there are no fortifications. This is a made up myth. Ukrov trenches are not always in full growth.
      There are no fortifications - but there are few people.
      And this is not enough - apparently from the very beginning.
      Most likely, part of the states of the line units was filled with conscripts.
      On simple specialties - such as arrows. They were called back.
      At the very beginning there were combat-ready units, but they were in the Kiev and Chernihiv directions. They suffered losses, there was a shortage.
      Mess, chaos, then the XNUMXs appeared. And we all fainted.
      What was left began to be collected in a heap in the Kherson direction and in the DPR and LPR.
  21. +7
    6 October 2022 11: 40
    Artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine works with artillery programs for tablets and smartphones, which ensures a minimum of time for preparing data for firing.


    The secret of sustainability is coming out air defense is simple. 
    Ability to think with your head + excellent communication network (Starlink + fiber) 
    1. A bunch of different-sized radars are taken. From good air defense radars of Ukrainian development to Furuna bought in a yacht shop. 
    2. A single interface for the exchange of target designation data is being written. 
    That is, a small and cheap box with a cheap one-plane controller is attached to each Furun. He translates the format of goals, from the Furunov standard to a certain unified standard. 
    3. This entire radar zoo is connected using Starlink and fiber into a single decentralized network. Which in real time controls the means of destruction of all types. 
    It works like this:
    - Furuna is constantly spinning on the roof of the multi-storey building. She is not sorry. Crash - automatically turns on the same Furuna on the neighboring roof. 
    - if she saw something with a doppler resembling a turntable or an airplane, she sends target designation SMS to the network: azimuth, speed, parameter, etc. 
    - in the center, infa is compared with data from other sources (AWACS, VNOS posts, etc.
    - When the probability threshold is exceeded, the firing radar of the KUB, BUK, Osa, S-300 automatically turns on. 
    -​-​Target acquisition, launch. Immediately after launch, the launcher and the firing locator collapse and move to another position. 
    Somehow so... 
    PS There is also a good thing:
    Passive radar using digital television signals from local television centers. 
    Dills are good at it. There, the radar does not emit anything. Fuck find it. 

    Communication and reconnaissance among dill are western. Outperform us in quality. 
    Intelligence: American Radar Intelligence Satellites. 
    They make radar images of any of our sites with a period of about 1 time per hour. 
    In any weather, day and night, a tank is distinguished from an infantry fighting vehicle, an armored personnel carrier from a minibus, a minibus from a passenger car. 
    The masses are absolutely useless. 
    Their communication up to the company level, inclusive, is deployed at the Starlink base. 
    The Starlink receiving terminal is a flat box the size of a pizza box. 
    Provides a solid, indestructible and uninterceptable military Internet to each company. 
    With all the consequences ... 

    Ground radar stations of the KBB (counter-battery warfare) detect our flying shells and mines. Immediately, along the trajectory, the coordinates of the shot point are calculated. 
    30-50 seconds after our first shot, a response flies at our artillery. 
    Corrected Western 155 mm shells have a range of about 35 km and a deviation of no more than 3 m. They are used en masse, like Khaymars (corrected MLRS missiles) 


    But, it's not all that terrible. It is not rockets that are fighting, but people. We have learned to resist all these enemy means and give a decent response. We keep thinking and learning. 
    There is a normal heavy war ....
     https://aftershock.news/
    1. +6
      6 October 2022 12: 22
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The secret of sustainability is coming out air defense is simple. 

      But the question is, does the air defense system still exist or has it been focal for a long time?
      And in your very professional and interesting story, the moment of help from the NATO countries is missed. The same satellites detect the moment of takeoff of a jet plane or a missile launch and report this to the NATO command center, and from there immediately to the air defense combat control center of Ukraine.
      Why did the Ukrainians have a problem with Geranium, they can’t track its launch, and therefore, despite its slowness and loudness, it calmly reaches the goal
      1. +1
        6 October 2022 12: 50
        Quote: svp67
        And in your very professional and interesting story, the moment of help from the NATO countries is missed.

        This is not my opus, I gave the link.
        And everything that is written is all supplied by the states and the British, and less by Europe.
        The article is interesting and written by its specialist. Full link of reasoning, analysis and facts:
        https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1162075
      2. ada
        +1
        7 October 2022 00: 54
        Quote: svp67
        ... missed moment assistance from countries NATO. ...

        Replace the highlighted words with military wording: "interactions with the Allied Forces".
    2. -1
      6 October 2022 13: 14
      And what about electronic warfare systems like Murmansk-BN and others. Wasn't he assigned to deal with satellites?
  22. +12
    6 October 2022 11: 41
    Oh, what a material! And a couple of months ago, for such statements they called TsIPSOshnik and rolled up a ban.
  23. +5
    6 October 2022 11: 46
    work on the mistakes with the punishment of those responsible in the Russian military command.
    Work on the bugs is understandable, but the last point is not very good. Somehow everyone is trying to simplify the situation and blame only the military for everything, and the SVR is on the sidelines, it was not her sacred duty to present a report on the internal political situation in Ukraine, but how to explain that our soldiers, entering its territory, expected flowers, with bread and salt? Who put this information and conveyed it to the political leadership. Further, the military leadership is limited in its rights to use one or another type of weapon, especially in the deep rear, for this, in this operation, that is, the NVO, there must be a clear indication of the POLITICAL leadership, but as I understand it, there is none. But there are also "foggy" exchanges, in which everyone is not lazy, even businessmen, the continuation of trade operations with Ukraine, etc., etc. ... It's time to understand, we are either at war or then it's time to stop all this.
    1. +2
      6 October 2022 11: 53
      Quote: svp67
      how to explain that our soldiers, entering its territory, were expecting flowers, with bread and salt?

      And what kind of military planning is this based on such expectations? This means that the planners are incompetent. GUR is military intelligence, isn't it?
      Quote: svp67
      military leadership is limited in the rights to use one or another type of weapon

      What are these specifically?
      1. +6
        6 October 2022 12: 00
        Quote: Liam
        GUR is military intelligence, no?

        Military intelligence works on military tasks, it tries not to get into politics, for this there is the Foreign Intelligence Service
        Quote: Liam
        It turns out they themselves came up with it themselves, believed it, and reported it to the soldiers.

        No. The planning of such an operation receives a special order from the political leadership, with a complete analysis of the situation and instructions on what can and cannot be done.
        Quote: Liam
        What are these specifically?

        Well, for example, everyone is surprised that the Control Centers have not yet been hit, I am more than sure that there are specific instructions for this from the political leadership, if this were not the case, then they would have been hit on the first day of the operation, to cause confusion in command of the troops.
        Again. This operation is led not by the military, but by politicians. They are the ones who make the decisions. So, of course, making a scapegoat from the military is the simplest, but not the right decision.
        1. +2
          6 October 2022 12: 14
          )))

          When an official (including a military official) is forced to do something contrary to what his conscience, official duties, laws and civil courage are instructed to do, he does a very simple thing - resigns. If not, then he considers that everything is correct and is responsible for deed. Everything else is excuses in hindsight
          Do you have any idea that someone did it?
          1. +1
            6 October 2022 12: 18
            Quote: Liam
            Do you have any idea that someone did it?

            Sorry, but there is also something else, namely the notion that for so many years you lived at the expense of the state, which fed and provided you, and now in difficult times, you are in the bushes, somehow this is not right. Don't you think so?
            1. +1
              6 October 2022 12: 26
              )) A logical contradiction, as it were. Difficult times have come due to the fact that all these people improperly performed their duties, including unquestioningly fulfilling obviously stupid orders. But they should not leave the country in difficult times, but should continue to generate difficult times
        2. +8
          6 October 2022 12: 27
          for this there is the Foreign Intelligence Service - "He", as Kommersant found out, is Colonel Shcherbakov, who for a long time served in the Foreign Intelligence Service as the head of the American Department of Directorate "C", in charge of working with illegal immigrants. In the "forest" - as the SVR headquarters in Yasenevo is called in slang - they lost sight of the fact that Shcherbakov's daughter has long been living in the United States. “It is strange why no one was puzzled by the fact that a person in such a position has relatives abroad. This is just one of the many questions in this case that the investigation is interested in - this is about the failure with Anka Chapman
        3. +3
          6 October 2022 13: 26
          Quote: svp67
          Military intelligence works on military tasks, it tries not to get into politics,


          Analysis and assessment of the political situation in the country of a potential enemy is an integral part of the work of a military intelligence officer.
          Moreover, the GRU has a directorate for information warfare. There are corresponding services in the districts. In addition to the GRU direct line departments for countries, the PSO service conducts its own intelligence (gathers information from open sources on all countries that are in the regional theater of operations.
          For example, the Southern Military District should monitor the political situation, the mood of society in Turkey, Iran, and so on.
          Aunts can sit there, leafing through magazines (this was the case when there was no Internet) and preparing all sorts of newsletters on a particular country with a given frequency.
          And, accordingly, military intelligence (GRU) should actively conduct an information war by all possible means. This is her diocese.
      2. ada
        0
        7 October 2022 00: 58
        Quote: Liam
        ... GUR is military intelligence, no? ...
        This is the enemy, well, or whatever. wassat
    2. -1
      6 October 2022 11: 57
      I almost agree with you - except for one thing:
      It's time to understand, we are either at war or then it's time to stop it all.

      will not be able to stop. Same as Don't start. We are interesting to the West for resources, cheap resources. The question was only in time - when to start with the least losses.

      The worst thing for me is if the war would go to our children and grandchildren, when we ourselves would become infirm ...
      1. -1
        6 October 2022 13: 10
        We are interesting to the West for resources, cheap resources.


        The West is so different and not uniform, what specific West are you talking about? And as for resources, every year we have been increasing exports, even building new pipelines.

        The question was only in time - when to start with the least losses.

        There was no such question, until at least no one proved otherwise. Why should the “West” fight with Russia because we stopped selling resources to them or suddenly made a technological leap and forced them out of all markets?
        1. -4
          6 October 2022 13: 54
          The question is at what price to export (I'm talking about Europe, of course) and how much it will cost for Europe to import from the USA. We partially replaced the volume from the same Norway, and what about the cost of European manufacturers? Working at full capacity?
          Are the prices for the production and delivery of US energy resources for Europe comparable to ours? Who needs a market? Did the cost of our deliveries suit everyone? Do you see a conflict of interest?

          Quote from: filibuster
          what are we .... suddenly made a technological leap

          What didn't they do? Hypersound, Poseidon - they don't tell you anything?

          And the programs launched for import substitution, new developments, training of techies, space developments, applications for restructuring the education system, resuming the education of patriotism, etc. ... no one claims that everything is going smoothly, but do you think the West did not see a threat in this?

          Have you heard about the containment policy pursued by the West either? That this policy has failed in relation to the Russian Federation - esssssssstvenno, in your opinion, is NOT true ...

          I’ll tell you right away if your next ARGUMENT is the same
          until at least no one has proven otherwise
          - You can consider my answer to you the same (no one has proven the opposite with regards to what I have stated).
          1. 0
            6 October 2022 14: 41
            The question at what price to export


            According to the market, all this time the price suited Gazprom, Rosneft, what has changed then?

            What didn't they do? Hypersound, Poseidon - they don't tell you anything?


            They don’t say much, every major country (USA, Japan, China, Germany, etc.) has similar devices that have no analogues, but we communicate with you here using exclusively Western technologies from hardware to software, exactly like your smartphone , household appliances, car, built on Western technology.

            Have you heard about the containment policy pursued by the West either?

            Well, for this policy we have nuclear weapons, Poseidons with hypersound.
            1. -1
              6 October 2022 15: 02
              Quote from: filibuster

              They don’t say much, every major country (USA, Japan, China, Germany, etc.) has similar devices that have no analogues, but we communicate with you here using exclusively Western technologies from hardware to software, exactly like your smartphone , household appliances, car, built on Western technology.

              when a tsunami comes to you, will you run for a smartphone?
              those. you don't see the difference. It's clear.

              Quote from: filibuster
              Well, for this policy we have nuclear weapons, Poseidons with hypersound.

              somehow a completely primitive dialogue turns out ... I'm not even talking about the policy of military containment ... but, about the policy of economic containment ...
              Anyway.
              Quote from: filibuster
              The question at what price to export


              According to the market, all this time the price suited Gazprom, Rosneft, what has changed then?

              Satisfied (regarding the concluded contracts). Until attempts to "bent" on the part of "partners" and hangers-on began.

              Can you say anything about the US market? They did not need our market in Europe? And you haven't answered anything about the competitiveness of the delivery of US energy carriers.
              1. 0
                6 October 2022 15: 12
                when a tsunami comes to you, will you run for a smartphone?
                those. you don't see the difference. It's clear.



                What tsunami? In the event of a tsunami, we need a lot of construction equipment, diesel generators, warm clothes and look how much of it we produce.


                Satisfied (regarding the concluded contracts). Until attempts to "bent" on the part of "partners" and hangers-on began.

                What a bend, the financial statements of Gazprom and Rosneft are in the public domain, something is not very similar to a bend, Gazprom, by the way, will even pay dividends this year.

                Can you say anything about the US market? They did not need our market in Europe? And you haven't answered anything about the competitiveness of the delivery of US energy carriers.


                I generally lost the thread of the discussion, I don’t understand what you want to prove, until February of this year, Russia was selling oil and gas perfectly, and in 21 Russia did not produce record deliveries to the United States. Well, the fact that US commodity companies took advantage of situations should not be a surprise while the fighting and sanctions are ongoing.
                1. 0
                  6 October 2022 15: 45
                  Quote from: filibuster
                  What tsunami?

                  It's clear. They rejected any figurative statement and included only the direct meaning. Convenient position.
                  Quote from: filibuster
                  I completely lost the thread of the discussion

                  you never answered a direct question about the US market. They did not need our market in Europe?
                  And about the competitiveness of the delivery of US energy resources (anywhere in the world).
                2. 0
                  6 October 2022 16: 29
                  Quote from: filibuster
                  What a bend, the financial statements of Gazprom and Rosneft are in the public domain, something is not very similar to a bend, Gazprom, by the way, will even pay dividends this year.

                  What's the point of reporting? Do you think that when there is a profit, it is not necessary to maximize it?
                  And what about Europe's desire for free pricing, attempts to put pressure on OPEC, Naftogaz's attempts through lawsuits in international courts, etc.? (I'm talking about bends)

                  You know, it reminded me of one conversation (2011) with a person who considers himself a Ukrainian. He was indignant that we (Russia) did not allow them (Ukrainians) to live well. When the conversation turned to the fact that we supply them with cheap gas, he was indignant at the fact that we "... have a lot of gas.
                  Are you, by chance, not the same Ukrainian?
                  1. 0
                    6 October 2022 17: 45
                    What's the point of reporting? Do you think that when there is a profit, it is not necessary to maximize it?
                    And what about Europe's desire for free pricing, attempts to put pressure on OPEC, Naftogaz's attempts through lawsuits in international courts, etc.? (I'm talking about bends)


                    Of course, it is necessary to maximize profits, and the reports show that this was done very well, everything else is the usual market and not very ways of doing business, somewhere Gazprom tried to “push through”, somewhere Gazprom quite successfully pushed through.
                    1. -1
                      6 October 2022 18: 08
                      Sorry, but this is verbiage.
                      If you had a desire to just hold a meeting, you would have written so right away.
        2. 0
          6 October 2022 14: 23
          Ltd! what an interesting (your) conclusion I read in the same chat
          filibuster (Sl)
          Today, 12: 33

          The West will still go, but Russia will have to carry rehearsalsion costs, financial losses, but the West needs resources.

          You are confused in the testimony (C)
          1. 0
            6 October 2022 14: 43
            What is the confusion? Of course, if Russia now asks for negotiations, then financial demands will be made from the West, and at the same time, the West needs our energy resources, and here there will be bargaining.
            1. -1
              6 October 2022 15: 36
              Quote from: filibuster
              Of course, if Russia now asks for negotiations, then financial demands will be made from the West, and at the same time, the West needs our energy resources, and here there will be bargaining

              Well, did the West need the cheap resources of the Russian Federation or not?
              Or will you back down?
              1. 0
                6 October 2022 17: 43
                Of course, the West needs cheap resources, we need to sell them more expensive, they converge on the market somewhere in the middle.
                1. 0
                  6 October 2022 18: 06
                  well, go back to the beginning of the correspondence, to my first comment and your answer to it. This is so that you don’t get into the jungle again and don’t write later
                  I completely lost the thread of the discussion
                  1. ada
                    0
                    7 October 2022 01: 13
                    Bravo! I support. This is not a discussion, this is it - a struggle good
    3. +2
      6 October 2022 13: 02
      Quote: svp67
      even businessmen, continued trade operations with Ukraine

      As gas went through the pipe, it goes on and we pay pennies for transit! And what side does Abramovich have at the negotiations in Istanbul and during the exchange of prisoners?
      1. -2
        6 October 2022 14: 48
        Enough. If you all have questions here - well - Red Square. If you like Putin, well, let him blow everyone down, this is a STUPID EQUALIZATION.
      2. -1
        6 October 2022 17: 25
        and pennies for transit we pay!

        Can you prove it?
        Hungary and Slovakia paid for gas transit through Ukraine. Deliveries will resume "in the coming days"
        https://rtvi.com/news/vengriya-i-slovakiya-oplatili-tranzit-gaza-cherez-ukrainu-postavki-vozobnovyatsya-v-blizhajshie-dni/
        1. 0
          7 October 2022 01: 18
          https://ria.ru/20220803/tranzit-1806921624.html
          Russia is fulfilling its obligations to pay funds for gas transit to Kyiv, Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, told reporters, noting that "an aggressor is an aggressor, but money is accepted."
      3. -5
        6 October 2022 17: 37
        Gas as it went through the pipe, and goes

        For Gas of the Russian Federation, a hospital, mat capital, salaries for state employees, etc. are being built.
  24. +3
    6 October 2022 11: 47
    Guys, here's a question for you: With how many people and equipment did NWO begin, and what is there now. Does this coincide with the loss Shoigu was talking about? Judgment for all.
    1. -1
      6 October 2022 13: 05
      Does this coincide with the loss Shoigu was talking about?


      The question is rather rhetorical. In the absence of normal communications at the tactical level and reconnaissance, while staying in attacks for 7 months, to tell that the enemy has 10-fold losses ...
      1. 0
        6 October 2022 14: 50
        Did you serve in the Army? Why intelligence to find out what your losses are? All commanders know what's where.
        1. -2
          6 October 2022 15: 20
          Why intelligence to find out what your losses are

          intelligence is not for counting losses, intelligence and communications - so that these losses do not occur

          my take is that the attacking side, in which there are problems with communications and intelligence, cannot have a loss ratio of 1 to 10 with the defenders
  25. +11
    6 October 2022 11: 49
    Until there is PERSONAL responsibility (up to the execution cellar of the NKVD) for the military (starting from the highest rank) responsible for mobilization, logistics, military production, there will be no use.
    We need to change the law. For example, about conscripts. If they knock out these 300 thousand "old men" - who will be called next? And now every day they are only expanding the list of OFFICIAL draft dodgers.
    By the way, about these 300 thousand mobilized. In fact, people who have already repaid their debt to the Motherland are called up for an urgent SECOND time (and in a few years, if they survive, will they be called up for the THIRD time?), And those who at one time "sloped down" from the army, on their "Porsche" go to a nightclub, laughing at the suckers.
    1. +1
      6 October 2022 12: 04
      Quote: Seamaster
      Until there is PERSONAL responsibility (up to the execution cellar of the NKVD) for the military (starting from the highest rank) responsible for mobilization, logistics, military production, there will be no use.

      And what does Rostec, UVZ and other state concerns have to do with the Moscow Region? There, that in their leadership there are only military men or businessmen?
      There is no need to lump everything together, there is a fault of the military leadership, but there is a lot of fault of others, those who are now trying to remain in the shadows and in positions
    2. +2
      6 October 2022 14: 47
      I'll tell you this (to clarify, I don't live in Russia and I'm not Russian, just a fan) - what's the value of how much? If necessary, you need to prepare 10 million. Understood??? You already have Russia in great danger. Like this.
  26. +7
    6 October 2022 11: 49
    This is not a military operation, but a police one. In which they wanted to punish the recalcitrant, but it did not work out.
  27. 0
    6 October 2022 11: 50
    Why are the bridges across the Dnieper not attacked?

    Our armed forces are not able to gouge pontoon crossings through the rivers, let alone capital Soviet concrete structures across the Dnieper.
    Why did our drones attack some incomprehensible objects in Odessa and Nikolaev, while heavy battles were fought in Liman, ending with the retreat of our troops?

    I also wondered about this. Instead of destroying pontoon crossings with Geraniums, the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked some kind of "torpedo boat bases" in Odessa. What is going on at all! request
  28. +8
    6 October 2022 11: 51
    After 2-3 boilers and loss of territories, wounded and crippled, we will come to the walls of the Kremlin and ask the commander-in-chief, the general staff and other parquet staff riff-raff! Why do we need a million-strong army and "weapons that have no analogues in the world"?
    1. 0
      6 October 2022 14: 33
      ask what's the point if part of the territory of Russia is lost, unrest will begin and it will only get worse
  29. +2
    6 October 2022 12: 00
    Strange, if you do not know Russia. Demilitarization made even Eastern Europe shocked. Free high-quality Soviet weapons with a small upgrade would have brought Ukrainians to Moscow in three or four years, and expensive Western weapons and there are few of them, only to drive the popuases, the Nazis were also sequestered. And we are fighting ... So our people are there, if doctors don’t treat, teachers don’t teach, then what everyone wants from soldiers, but the majority are for money, a small part by vocation, and where to get other people, now they push everything onto generals, and in the Kursk region, the generals ran after the DRG for two weeks, the same cop as we are somewhere in the reports, he scored somewhere, and that's the result. It’s just that earlier people were different, responsible and valued life less, so they won, take warehouses, for example, until they began to work on the ground to disperse, mask, etc. all the effectiveness of the vaunted himars was over, we even had Ilya Muromets for 33 years on the stove.
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    1. +3
      6 October 2022 12: 41
      From scratch, not from scratch, but a contract army, another liberal myth.
  31. +8
    6 October 2022 12: 05
    They just got used to defeating plywood at landfills. But it turned out that the enemy also knows how to fight. But the question is not for soldiers and officers up to the battalion level, they really fight. And the question is for the "commanders" in the rank of generals, for the great taiga builder, for the great helmsman.
  32. +10
    6 October 2022 12: 06
    And who will answer the main question, who brought it to all. We have the Supreme Commander and the Defense Ministry with the General Staff. There are few options to understand who is responsible for this mess. Now the society is asking questions and does not understand why the operation is being carried out so strangely. It seems that all this is started in the interests of big business and Abramovichi and his ilk rule the ball, and the people are a bargaining chip in this war. This is not a people's - liberation war, but an oligarchic one, some imperialists kill others, that's all denazification here .....
    1. +9
      6 October 2022 12: 39
      Well said. And now let's think about whether we have the right to condemn those who run from the so-called mobilization.
      We will know the number of dead only after the departure of Putin and Shoigu.
  33. 0
    6 October 2022 12: 13
    but we have temples, partisan villages and forts ...
    1. +1
      6 October 2022 17: 53
      Quote from: vvn_vl
      but we have temples, partisan villages and forts ...

      and on all this my daughter sits ... and has no small benefit ... But how could it be otherwise? At the well, don't get drunk!? lol
  34. 0
    6 October 2022 12: 14
    The British and the French against the Germans had a strange war in 1939-1940, and it ended badly for them.
  35. 0
    6 October 2022 12: 16
    It's like that. For a long time, the whole of Ukraine would have been rolled out if not for the help of the West. The West is directly at war with us, and we pretend that this is not the case. We must make up our minds and strike at the bases of training, supply, and weapons production. It is possible with Iskanders, they will be indignant, they will add nuclear weapons. The people are ready and supportive.
  36. +4
    6 October 2022 12: 17
    In my opinion, Putin wanted to produce a “Wow” effect, it all started when there were demands for NATO to roll back to the borders of 91, NATO ignored the demands, and then in the Kremlin, based on an incorrect assessment of its capabilities, the state of the economy and the army, as well as on an incorrect analysis of the international The reactions decided on a frank adventure, a pure adventure, in my opinion, because of the number of armed forces involved in the operation.
    Now there is a frantic attempt to save face, and therefore referendums were hastily organized during the hostilities and the annexation of territories in order to secure at least some success.
    1. 0
      6 October 2022 14: 02
      Now there's a frantic attempt to save face

      Which only makes the situation worse.
  37. +1
    6 October 2022 12: 20
    1. It is really useless to make predictions now.
    2. A lot of questions have accumulated, and, of course, no one from the top management will give answers. But the main question for me personally is the silence about the fulfillment of the promises made back in April, namely, about the strikes on decision-making centers. That is, in Brussels, London and Washington (no need about Kyiv, decisions are not made there, and everyone is well aware of this). I don't trust people who don't keep their promises.
    With all this, I'm going to the military registration and enlistment office tomorrow. Not to sign up as a volunteer, but first to find out if I can not just go where the command needs to go, but where I can be useful. If there is mutual understanding, then I think I will try to sign up. No - no, I will continue to fight on the couch, since I have already been removed from military registration by age.
    1. 0
      8 October 2022 08: 11
      can I not just go where the command needs to be, but where I can be useful.
      I’m afraid you and people like you, before you go where it will be useful, first, having armed yourself, look at the warehouses of the MTO, in order to ask where everything that you are supposed to from the Moscow Region is. And there sit a brother, a matchmaker, someone's mistress, who, after your visit, can suddenly glue flippers with a hole between the eyes. So MO like you are not needed. They want someone who doesn't ask questions.
      1. 0
        8 October 2022 09: 51
        I don't need MO for another reason. At the military registration and enlistment office they simply turned me over, saying that they even take volunteers only up to 35 years old ... sad
        1. 0
          8 October 2022 11: 13
          From personal experience. It’s the same for working men up to 35, it’s somehow not common to ask questions, but where did the 500r get lost? Why should I not do my job? But after 45, every second minimum already has such questions for the authorities. This is just an observation from life. Why are prepensioners uncomfortable for the employer? By the fact that, unlike young people, their figs nae .. scroll through. And the current General Staff's goal is to plug holes with mobs and cover your ass. And here you are with your uncomfortable questions. You are not needed there, and not because you will not fight at the level, but in a completely different way. And I'm not needed there. Because I can slap the commander who gave the stupid order. I can. For to ban it, by and large, there is no one. And I have a variant to be at the front only through the musicians. Although I fall under mobilization on the edge of the real. But who mobilizes me so gemorno? Although a drg with my participation and maybe leadership would be effective.
          But for now, we have.
          The headquarters is fighting without us.
  38. +1
    6 October 2022 12: 21
    Analogies with 1941 suggest themselves ...
    Then there was also the concept of a quick victorious war: the Red Army is the strongest of all, we will beat the enemy with little blood on his own territory, etc. And the outbreak of the Second World War quickly highlighted all the miscalculations and shortcomings in the army. And then came the years of bloody war ...

    And now, "SVO" also highlighted everything: the unsuitability of a certain part of the military leaders, the lack of modern weapons, modern communications, etc. with all the consequences.
    It seems that there were no plans and no.
    They only report victorious reports of Konashenkov, and at the front the situation is only getting worse for months, now it turns out that the territories of Russia will be left, and not the territories of Ukraine taken ...
    We are no longer talking about the "denazification and demilitarization" of Ukraine. And it looks like they don't know what to do upstairs...
  39. +5
    6 October 2022 12: 23
    This is, of course, Putin's personal fiasco. How could the army not be prepared for such an adventure?! The scale had to be understood. Yes, in a year or two it was possible to purchase a bunch of Iranian UAVs, equip the assault armored units of the KAZ with an arena, develop and practice tactics for combating mobile air defense systems ... nah, the maximum they came up with was a visor for tanks! The truth is that they did not prepare for the NWO, most likely because of Putin's notorious "knight's move" ... in other words, neither the army nor the immediate environment simply knew about the decision to start the NWO. How many times has Putin managed to outwit everyone, admiring his unpredictability. This is what backfired.
    1. 0
      7 October 2022 19: 59
      Did intelligence of the Chief fail? Or failed?
  40. 0
    6 October 2022 12: 24
    I completely agree with the author of the article, both emotionally and in fact, in essence. For the last 6 months of the CBO, there are essentially no results. The only thing they could do was to gain a foothold on the KhO, ZO, LPR and DPR captured back in February-March, and even then not all territories were preserved. There is a feeling that the General Staff is a complete mess, but at the same time, posts do not fly and no one is to blame ....
  41. +3
    6 October 2022 12: 27
    After the withdrawal from Kyiv, the majority do not understand anything - it is clear that Putin wants to agree, but no one goes to the meeting. It is not clear what the mobilization and all sorts of slogans are about then.
  42. +5
    6 October 2022 12: 28
    You can say as much as you like what they have and how. But all this is stopped by normal work on the rear of the enemy. And here the question arises hundreds of times, which artist still travels there. There are two answers. There are no means of destruction, the second sabotage of the NMD at a certain level, the leaking of information to the enemy, and at the same time the braking of the necessary information for us. It is necessary to clean the staff and close parliamentarians. Introduce martial law, create the headquarters of the GK.
  43. +1
    6 October 2022 12: 30
    Of course, it is interesting about the changed Ukraine. But who exchanged the Azovites? Who forbids shooting at the sun.
  44. +5
    6 October 2022 12: 31
    An army without motivation cannot fight. What is our motivation?
    Russian world, salvation of compatriots? Why then were they abandoned in 2014, why didn’t they support other people’s republics, why did they ignore the referendums in the LPR and DPR? Why, after Debaltseve and Illovaysk, were the DPR not allowed to take the empty cities? Then they betrayed and abandoned, and now they remembered Nazism and all that about the Russian world?
    We have already grown a generation of people who are 30-35 years old for whom Kherson, Zaporozhye is not their homeland!!!
    1. 0
      7 October 2022 19: 56
      And the fried rooster that pecked didn’t run through?
  45. +3
    6 October 2022 12: 35
    For those who can't put the puzzle together. The leadership of Russia today is fulfilling the plan of amers and shaves. Where is all the capital of the Russian oligarchs, the political elite and officials? in America and Great Britain. There are also their children. Their plan is simple - put as many Russians as possible under the knife, millions will leave on their own, Europe will be torn apart. The remaining Russians will service wells, mines, mines for a penny. The bureaucrats have already betrayed and sold us all.
  46. 0
    6 October 2022 12: 40
    And I'm interested in where 300+ lards of folk evergreens are. Why can't we build drones and unfortunate automatic boxes, since there is no modern electronic industry. And the assets ended up abroad ... For the amount of the most modern auto + microelectronics industry? At least the yacht building industry has been developed! And they bought yachts abroad ...
    1. 0
      7 October 2022 19: 54
      A drone as an interdisciplinary product is a complex thing. It is essentially a reflection of the economy.
  47. +6
    6 October 2022 12: 48
    Well, I completely agree with the article. But the question arises, what to do? Management doesn't want to take over. Revolution? Wouldn't want to. Life then just fly no one knows where. If it still flies. With the beginning of his, in my opinion, Putin had every chance to radically change life in the country - to squeeze the oligarchs, monopolies, clean up the government from worthless people. He would have received huge support from the people. But, along the way, everything suits him. So, the article is good, correct, but it is not clear where the sleigh will be taken.
    1. -1
      7 October 2022 19: 52
      Is it impossible to pretend to be a Siberian Crane, to ride horses and catch fish with a saint? Is it forbidden to collect children and tell fairy tales to them?
  48. +1
    6 October 2022 12: 49
    Why Novorossia was annexed right now is quite understandable ... When the Chief spoke about the defense of the Fatherland, the LDNR were neither here nor there, it sounded incomprehensible, but now, the slowed down advisers finally came to their senses, the Motherland is in danger ... By the way, the mobilized are not = reservists, I understand that reservists are those who regularly undergo retraining.
  49. +2
    6 October 2022 12: 52
    It seems that the SVO was planned not at the General Staff, but at the US Embassy in Russia or a madhouse, or after a good booze with Ukrainian bacon, you will simply appreciate what is happening in the endless deception of Russian society. Who benefits from this type of CBO. Why is the Minister of Defense still in his place. Then they wonder why there are few patriots in the country. Where are the satellites? The answer is simple - this is a mess in management, there is no clear response to the situation. Decision seconds are minutes, not hours or days. The creation of a rapid reaction force that would be on constant duty in the subordination of soldiers at the forefront,
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  51. -2
    6 October 2022 13: 07
    Thanks to the author for the useful material.
    The war is not just strange, but very strange - gas and oil are pouring across the borders of the Russian Federation, including into Ukraine.
  52. +1
    6 October 2022 13: 13
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Man is an emotional being.
    Through emotions, you can manipulate a person.
    There are manipulations in the family, in society, and, of course, they are used in war.

    The more I watch the picture in the media, the more I am convinced that they are trying, sorry, to sell us something. Like in a TV store or in a scam.

    The official media are pushing "Thunder of victory, resound", victorious reports. And they are silent about the problems. Only recently have voices begun to appear about errors, and about measures to solve them.

    The enemy... The enemy skillfully sows panic. Some kind of helplessness, defeatist mood. A skillfully pulled out picture, juggling or manipulation of facts - and .... Yes, we lost! This is the cry that is imposed on the head of the layman.

    What to do? Where should the poor peasant go?

    You need to do your job. Professional and honest. It is necessary to forge victory, starting from the workplace, from the family. Down with panic! No rumours! We need unity and popular society.

    It is necessary to eradicate corruption and the fifth column with an iron fist. You need to calmly, but firmly - talk about mistakes, do not be afraid to upset the authorities.

    But we are at war. We need censorship. After all, even an innocent photo taken somewhere in Belgorod or Kursk, a photo with equipment or our soldiers helps the enemy.

    The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours!

    New Russia will rise from fire and ashes!

    I’m curious, who will interestingly lead everything that you have smartly sketched out here? winked
    1. -3
      6 October 2022 13: 15
      will present two candidates to choose from - Ksenia Sobchak and Vladimir Vladimirovich - who will you choose?
  53. -4
    6 October 2022 13: 16
    Quote: paul3390
    We already did this in 2014

    Can we find out who we are?
    Another sofa war to the bitter end.
    There will be no victory - it is impossible, for completely objective, primarily economic reasons. Yes, in fact, the capitulation has already taken place, an indemnity is already being exacted - exports to the USA exceed imports to the Russian Federation by 10 times.
    The imported gas turbines at Russian thermal power plants have not yet begun to fail, but what if they do?
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  55. +1
    6 October 2022 13: 30
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Quote: svp67
    even businessmen, continued trade operations with Ukraine

    As gas went through the pipe, it goes on and we pay pennies for transit! And what side does Abramovich have at the negotiations in Istanbul and during the exchange of prisoners?

    The questions are rhetorical - you understand perfectly well who is behind it all... . hi
  56. 0
    6 October 2022 13: 40
    Quote: Lis_Domino
    will present two candidates to choose from - Ksenia Sobchak and Vladimir Vladimirovich - who will you choose?

    The second one has already headed it, and the first one can lead it, just not what the author of the commentary wrote about. hi
  57. -1
    6 October 2022 13: 44
    This “strange operation” was invented in order to dispose of their military junk, free of charge for the West, but at our expense... At the same time, ours. More than once one could hear from the speakers “our troops are grinding...”. Everything is coming together: since April we have been standing still and “grinding.” Only we pay not only in rubles, but also in the lives of the best people in the country.
  58. -1
    6 October 2022 13: 54
    Why are analysts taking so long to figure it out? Not to mention the “community of experts”? It has long been clear and understandable that the war is for national liberation from the enslaving and total dependence of the “total West”; this war must be waged under the Red Banner and no other way. Or we go to heaven, and they die (although not a fact).
    1. ada
      0
      7 October 2022 01: 27
      Quote: iouris
      .. this war must go under the Red Banner...
      Support! good
  59. -1
    6 October 2022 14: 36
    AT ALL TIMES!!! At the top of the volost, around it, various groups of influence gathered, which had their own POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, often very selfish interEs, which in no way aligned with the interests of the state, the people of the countries, for which they were supposed to care!!! And this is in addition to all sorts of different individuals, various groups whose interests were limited.... yes, they wanted to get rich, at the expense of everyone else, skins, hucksters, thieves...
    And what do we see now???
  60. +2
    6 October 2022 14: 36
    Those who planned a military operation in Ukraine did not take into account that Ukraine in 2014 and Ukraine in 2022 are completely different states.
    But it seems to me that these are not stupid people and they took this into account; in 2014 the war would not have lasted, perhaps even according to the Crimean scenario, which would have led to the unification of the Russians. But apparently there was no such goal, it was necessary to tear Ukraine away forever, and what is better for this than a bloody war, it has been prepared for eight years and now it will flare up on its own like a fire, and if this is not stopped, a world massacre is coming.
  61. +2
    6 October 2022 16: 40
    You read articles like this “we weren’t ready..” “there are simply no such means of destruction..” “artillery cannot do without UAVs” and you ask yourself the question - gentlemen, did we have an army? Did they collect taxes from us? What % of GDP went to the army? What kind of army was this on the planet in terms of size and nominal armament? Second one, right? There were plans for the use of artillery and weapons; most likely, they DIRECTLY INDICATED WHAT target designation should be carried out. Why did we conduct exercises, annual and occasional? What did our gloomy Teutonic geniuses do while studying the experience of the development of Western weapons? Decades, years, what?

    This image of “Thumbelina suddenly waking up in a flower”, looking at the surrounding reality with horror, is simply touching.

    Not ready, mdaams?) Why then was it necessary to feed people crap about super potency? Well, like, a superpower, containment of NATO and special responsibility for peace on earth, and so on and so forth. Why then were there all these delicious parades in gold and with colored soldiers walking in orderly rows?

    No, we were ready - it’s just that right now there are still “certain political considerations” that prevent the projection of accumulated conventional means onto the enemy. “Someone out there” still thinks in terms of the fact that the issue will resolve without consequences, despite the fact that the whole observed picture convinces us of the opposite. Because we are actually witnessing the largest and most epic massacre in these territories since the 1940s. You can’t close your eyes to this and roll over to the other side - it won’t go away. And if there are still wet dreams “at the top” that after all this it will be possible to “reconcile” with Ukraine, then I would really like to see the project of such “reconciliation”, which is called “in color”.
    Because it will be a better read than George R.R. Martin!

    Unprepared is when you have to dive through the jungle with bows in order to survive. We are ready .
    1. +1
      6 October 2022 20: 35
      We don’t see the forest behind the three pines. We still can’t decide who is to blame: politicians or the military. The military, of course, to a greater extent. Well, their hands are “tied” and they are not allowed to destroy the enemy’s rear. But! Who stopped them two or three months ago from going through and testing the mobilization system in the country, conducting an audit of state reserves, military training grounds, etc.? Politicians too?
      But that's not what I'm talking about. Isn’t it the same mess in other civil and not so executive bodies as in the Ministry of Defense? Have few of us waited for hours for the traffic cops to arrive to fix the accident? Have few of us encountered a lack of places in kindergartens and schools? And how many have been able to find legal action against a neighbor who throws out garbage under the entrance door and parks his car on the playground/lawn? And who wonders why our airports are private? Why are most railway stations not owned by Russian Railways? Why are administrative proceedings (fines for traffic violations) handed over to private structures? Why do you contact the prosecutor’s office with a request to deal with the illegal actions of parking/tow truck attendants, who literally forced the entire city to display “no parking” signs, thereby violating 81-FZ “On the social protection of disabled people in the Russian Federation”, and you get the answer - sue them. Now we have private armies fighting. What am I talking about! And the fact that the formed system of public administration can only be generated by the current Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Emergency Situations, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Pension Fund, etc.!
      What to do is clear - the state apparatus needs to return to the real lives of citizens, and ask officials for the volume and quality of their work, and not pay only for the fact that they came. And perhaps even introduce “mutual responsibility”. Otherwise, the clerk will urinate at the next table, and everyone else will pretend that this does not concern them. Because someday they will be too lazy to go to the restroom. At the same time, civil servants need to be provided with basic working conditions. Here I was forced to sit on a chair in the corridor, giving an explanation to the police about the fraud of officials of a private structure that bought the right to issue electronic signature key certificates for legal entities. Because in the investigators’ office, 4x4 m, there are four desks and two cabinets with papers, which did not fit in the cabinets in stacks towering on the windowsill, and there is simply nowhere to put a chair for visitors. So I shouted from the corridor into this office.
      And most importantly, may the Lord protect us from the temptation to change everything, now and quickly! Oh, Mother Rus' went through this more than once. How much blood was shed.
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  63. 0
    6 October 2022 16: 52
    It’s surprising that even now, after the complete failures of the incompetent generals of the General Staff, no visible changes are taking place in the leadership of the Armed Forces. Doesn’t the Kremlin really understand that all of Serdyukov’s reforms are a simple cut of the dough and the destruction of the army and navy.....
  64. +2
    6 October 2022 17: 02
    with the punishment of those responsible in the Russian military command.

  65. 0
    6 October 2022 17: 20
    There is no ideology, no motivation, sabotage and sabotage in the highest echelons of power, nepotism in the economy - all together led to this situation in the country and the army.
  66. +1
    6 October 2022 17: 48
    Columns of vehicles are marching without military guards, youngsters are throwing Molotov bottles at them, and our platoon commander says on television, “These are children. We can’t shoot at them.” March. How many normal men have been lost because of the stupid ambitions of management. If we had initially gone for a ride on the skating rink, there would have been no smell of Zelensky or tourists from NATO until Lvov.
  67. 0
    6 October 2022 19: 01
    Quote: Civil

    2. Let's make some noise and calm down.


    I completely agree with you.

    Quote: Civil

    3. And yes, I do not advise you to buzz during the database. The siloviki are always ready to stop "antics of liberal foreign agents."


    Yeah. If at least half of the Vovans were sent to the front, you see, “mobilization” would not be required.

    Quote: Ilya-spb

    The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours!

    New Russia will rise from fire and ashes!


    Wow, so much PAPHOS! You should kindly draw posters like “The Motherland is Calling.” It is advisable to really indicate what kind of “mother” this is and where she is “calling”.
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    1. +1
      6 October 2022 21: 56
      This is not accepted in our country. Putin has done so much that he should have hanged himself ten years ago. It was he who built the entire situation that is being discussed here, starting with Abramovich and ending with Kabaeva.
      Grandpa needs help making the right decision...
  71. +1
    6 October 2022 23: 15
    Two options here. Or were ours so sure that 200k of the Russian Armed Forces + the rebellion of the Armed Forces generals was expected, thus the war would only happen where the units did not want to join. And to solve the problem with few cows. The second option, we knew that this would happen and this was the strategy. But the question is different, which one? Are we working for the USA to destroy the EU? There are many questions, but most will not have an answer. The saddest thing is that now we are on the defensive.
  72. 0
    7 October 2022 08: 50
    Yes, that’s right, cheers for the patriots now it’s not easy... one thing is surprising, the common people understood that everything had been sucked out of the country, looking at life in their outback, and God forbid that we could somehow survive ourselves, and not go restore order in the country with a population of 30 million... the irremovability of power does not lead to good things, the top heard what they wanted to hear, they also talked about us, 17 thousand middle class, only breakthroughs and jerks... but the war put everything in its place... Unfortunately, the people will live even worse due to such actions of the leadership
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      7 October 2022 10: 30
      So it seems like that. But the MLRS, in principle, is an “area” weapon, and they managed to “stick” several direct hits into the Antonovsky Bridge. We don’t seem to have such achievements.
  75. 0
    7 October 2022 10: 34
    You just woke up... this is not the Red Army and commissars in dusty helmets do not stand behind the generals with Mausers... for the rear services this is especially true.. And during the times of perestroika and further in ISKCON there was a fair amount of military personnel... you can expect anything ..
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      7 October 2022 22: 52
      victories in World War II came when the commissars were removed and the military was given command themselves, without regard to the approval of the commissars
  76. 0
    7 October 2022 10: 35
    Quote from Kuziming
    Well, let's try to calculate:

    1. How many Russians have/had dual citizenship, what is their social status.

    2. How many Russians had/have deposits abroad, what posts they hold.

    3. How many Russians have/had real estate abroad, what posts and positions they hold.

    4. How many Russians have children for permanent residence abroad, what posts and positions they occupy.

    5. How many Russians have a business tied to the countries of the US allies, their social status.

    6. How many Russians have problems with violations of the law, which were not allowed at the time, who is a potential victim of compromising information inside the country.

    7. How many Russians with relatives abroad have committed violations of foreign law or are in danger of falling under sanctions and blackmail.

    8. Which private and public corporations have a business tied to making a profit abroad.

    9. How many Russians received foreign grants, studied abroad, and gave receipts for receiving foreign aid. Their positions and social status.

    Calculate the level of threats of blackmail, methods of influence, the danger of recruitment. And you will be able to assess the possibilities of our opponents to nullify many of our useful undertakings.

    Well, Brzezhinski said: “If the elite keeps their capital with us, if the children of the elite study with us and have our citizenship, if the elite’s real estate is with us, then we still need to see WHOSE elite it is.”
  77. 0
    7 October 2022 10: 36
    Quote: Aleksey1951
    A group of Russian servicemen escaped from the military unit of the Cossack detachment “Don”, located in annexed Kherson; they have been put on the wanted list. Photos of military personnel were published on telegram channels and social networks, including in the telegram of Verkhovna Rada deputy Alexey Goncharenko.

    According to the information, 13 servicemen escaped from the unit. They took weapons, ammunition with them and stole two vehicles of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    From the orientation it follows that at least three of those who escaped from the military unit lived in Moscow before participating in the war.

    “When identifying persons and detaining them, exercise extreme caution; they are armed with automatic weapons, pistols, an under-barrel grenade launcher, rounds for it and hand grenades. They are extremely dangerous, have combat and operational experience, and are suspected of a series of serious and especially serious crimes in the Kherson region,” the orientation says.

    According to the latest data, the servicemen traveled from Kherson to Crimea. They had already entered the peninsula in four cars. Their whereabouts are currently unknown.

    “As expected, the criminals who went to war armed themselves, formed a gang and went on tour. With machine guns and grenade launchers on vehicles belonging to the Russian Ministry of Defense,”

    Khokhlobot got out.
  78. 0
    7 October 2022 10: 48
    Why did EVERYTHING go wrong?
    I think because the top management only heard what fit into their picture of the world. Anything that did not correspond to these ideas was either not reported at all or ignored.
    For some reason, it seems to me that the nervousness of the head of the SVR on the eve of the SVO was due to the fact that he knew about the bleak prospects and saw that his warnings and concerns were ignored.
    And they got what they got. We encountered something we did not expect and did not expect to encounter.
    Firstly, in 8 years, with the help of NATO, the Wehrmacht was turned into a well-trained and equipped military machine.
    Secondly, during 8 years of rabid Nazi propaganda, a huge number of people managed to be completely brainwashed and their consciousness reformatted (an example of the Third Reich to help those who doubt it).
    Thirdly, all kinds of Medvedchuk outright lied, deliberately, or were used in the dark, that the local authorities practically keep Russian tricolors under their pillows.
    And it turned out that no quick completion of the SVO could be achieved.
  79. 0
    7 October 2022 10: 54
    Quote: levfuks
    Quote: Yngvar
    lack of a stable connection (the article indicates "tactical"

    I recall a recent story when the special battalion responsible for the movement of top officials used Whatsapp.
    The absence is not surprising. Surprisingly, it has only now begun to reach.

    And why be surprised if the goal was to enter, even as a carcass, even as a scarecrow, into the notorious “civilized humanity” and for the sake of this they were ready to destroy everything and everyone in their country.
  80. -1
    7 October 2022 11: 02
    Quote: Pavel73
    Strange contradiction. This means that in 2014 the Ukrainian army consisted mainly of Russian soldiers and officers, who would have surrendered as soon as they saw the Russian army in the steppes of Ukraine. And in eight years, the CIA and MI6 turned them into non-Russian staunch Bandera followers with nothing more than anti-Russian propaganda? How is it possible to make a Russian person non-Russian in just eight years? And who needs such a "Russian" person if he doesn't care?

    The example of the Third Reich does not convince you, how can you turn a nation into monsters in 6 years?
    Second. Over the course of 8 years, all unreliable command personnel were purged from the army and replaced by rabid Westerners.
    Third. For 8 years, hundreds of thousands of people were passed through Donbass and stained with blood.
    Is it enough?
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    7 October 2022 12: 58
    I completely agree with the article and many of the comments. The General Staff is more than half of the mediocre generals. They can’t take anything other than bribes and kickbacks! Purge like under Stalin!
  83. -2
    7 October 2022 14: 55
    Quote: Per se.
    Quote: paul3390
    But why everything turned out that way and who should be responsible for draining the Russian spring then is a separate conversation ..

    How, figuratively speaking, having only trump cards in hand, it was necessary to manage to lose so mediocre, indeed, it is very difficult to understand.

    Partial and belated mobilization, maybe the topic here is not to immediately create a shock fist, but to lose people in parts ...

    "Everything is according to plan", if this plan is brought to a handle and a humiliating ultimatum from the West is accepted, then this is probably a plan. To surrender immediately, being a nuclear power, the only one in the world that can destroy the United States with guarantee, it is unlikely that the people and the army could understand this, even though we have capitalism and oligarchs.


    This looks suspiciously like this. So that the population approves of any world. Again, the disappearance of all men, at least somehow combat-ready, guarantees the authorities security and ultimate irremovability
  84. -2
    7 October 2022 15: 13
    The main question has not been asked. Who is responsible for launching a special military operation and why is this responsibility not manifested in any way?
  85. -1
    7 October 2022 16: 03
    The author chewed everything out for us in detail and screwed us over; even to me, an amateur, everything was clear before. Now the question is how to solve this problem; although it is complex, it is solvable, although adventuristic. Russia annexed four regions by the will of the people (there was a referendum) which became part of the Russian Federation; however, hostilities not only continue and do not subside, but on the contrary are increasing, which is facilitated by the United States together with NATO and the so-called (collective West). Human losses and military equipment are irrevocably lost, and how long can Russia wage such a war (the West has quite a lot of human resources)? But there is a solution, the areas that became part of the Russian Federation are de jure territories of the Russian Federation, and if hostilities do not stop on the part of Ukraine and their curators the United States and NATO, Russia will be forced to use nuclear weapons to protect its sovereignty and this decision must be conveyed to the UN and the whole world, let them decide to open a third world nuclear war or sit down at the negotiating table? Time has passed.
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    7 October 2022 17: 39
    Quote: Zaurbek
    1. Russ to shoot the supplies.
    2. The form is sewn quite quickly. This is not a cruiser. Sewing enterprises shaft..
    3. Training of warriors must be done in advance .... Expand the call and re-train who needs to be serially.
    4. Remove military builders from BAM ..... Instruct whoever needs to build
    5. Maybe think and stop the departure of those who need to .....
    6. Call for retraining of Aeroflot pilots who are sitting idle ...


    Well, when will you, jingoistic patriots, go to the military registration and enlistment office, and not fill social networks with slogans?
  87. -2
    7 October 2022 18: 51
    Quote: certero
    The main question has not been asked. Who is responsible for launching a special military operation and why is this responsibility not manifested in any way?

    Starting an SVO is not a crime. This is a necessity.
    If we are talking about the wrong beginning, then the General Staff of the Russian Federation is responsible. Gerasimov. Although it is almost impossible to prove intent on his part. He is already being prosecuted under the laws of the EU and Ukraine. Whatever the beginning. Therefore, he is interested in a favorable outcome for Russia. The man “really got into the extreme”!
    If we talk about the true causes of the problems, our society is to blame. In October 1993, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation declared Yeltsin’s actions illegal; in March 1996, the State Duma of the Russian Federation recognized Yeltsin’s criminal liability for the collapse of the USSR. And the society agreed to make him president for the second time. Everything is fair - Whoever is guilty will be punished.
  88. 0
    7 October 2022 19: 01
    The article is full of various criticisms, but few constructive suggestions. I did the job, criticized, and then what? And now it is possible to successfully carry out a SVO operation in three weeks. Destroy power supplies, transport and engineering communications, bomb all large units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine with strategic aviation, destroy all main control bodies and main Bandera supporters with missile strikes, take Kyiv and Kharkov and that’s it. American Hymers and howitzers are also destroyed with the help of drones, artillery, missiles and mobile special forces task forces. It is necessary to intensify explanatory propaganda work among the Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters. They are fighting for the wrong people, Zelensky wholesale sold them and the entire people of Ukraine to Biden for Judas’ money. On Zelensky’s orders, hundreds of Ukrainian citizens are being shot and killed for no reason. They would have long ago tied up Zelensky and put this murderer on trial by military tribunal. How to take Kyiv and Kharkov? The entire operation of capturing these Ukrainian megacities can be completed in 2-3 days. I wonder how? Write. I'll give you a hint.
  89. 0
    7 October 2022 19: 47
    Why such a succinct text? For chattering? I agree with a lot of it.
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    7 October 2022 21: 28
    Regarding the punishment of those responsible for the failure of the North Military District and the army unprepared for war, this will not happen. Forget it. Because the President fed the top of the security departments and intelligence services. The irremovability of power and protection from the “dissatisfied” people depend on them. It’s like severely punishing a personal bodyguard because he deceived a cleaning lady and stole her cigarettes. “We don’t abandon our own” - this is about the tandem of power and the top security forces. Regarding the correction of errors - based on the point I wrote above, corrections “under pressure” are not particularly effective and will be more like handouts. And more to the point... I am absolutely sure that among the top of the security forces and intelligence services there are people who work for the West, they set up the president by dragging him and the country into this “NWO”, as if they had led him into a trap. And they continue to throw a spanner in the works. Otherwise, there is no explanation for how, with such large losses in military and civilian people, military equipment, territories and reputation, Russia continues to take care of the logistics and infrastructure of Ukraine, its economy. This is sabotage and sabotage at the state level.
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    7 October 2022 23: 53
    "A strange military operation - or why the Ukrainian Armed Forces are advancing. At least the obvious reasons for the success of the Ukrainian Armed Forces:
    1. Kharkov (a city with a population of one million), Nikolaev and Ochakov are not surrounded or isolated from the rest of Ukraine. As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are putting the virtually pro-Russian population under arms. There is no need to mention the Sumy region; it is generally unclear why the troops were withdrawn.
    2. For some reason, the Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to withdraw almost all the equipment that is used today for the offensive from the Lisichansk-Severodonetsk gut.
    3. Ukraine, without resistance, was given the southern part of the Kharkov region, and this is a gas production and processing plant, at least 45% of the annual gas consumption of all of Ukraine. Probably so that they don't freeze in winter.
    Indeed, everything seems more than strange.
    War, of course, in itself is a strange, unnatural thing, so we are waiting for positive changes.
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  94. 0
    8 October 2022 09: 47
    In short, this is called “crap.” Russia is stepping on the same rake as in 1914-1917.
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    8 October 2022 10: 04
    The Kremlin's half-betrayal ties the hands of the military. They are guided by what is proclaimed in the Kremlin. And there is talk about our humanism towards our enemies, the preservation of their infrastructure, through which Western equipment is supplied, essentially under the protection of our Ministry of Defense.
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    8 October 2022 14: 00
    Well, the main question that arises - what's next? Suppose our troops manage to hold out until the approach of mobilized reserves, and the situation stabilizes. Let's assume that it will be possible to knock out the Armed Forces of Ukraine and reach the borders of the Zaporozhye and Donetsk regions. What's next? The military conflict will not end there.

    One of the solutions may be to freeze the conflict, with attempts to negotiate with the United States and Britain (there is no point in talking with puppet Ukraine), but the configuration of possible agreements is still unclear, since there is no ground for compromise.

    However, now it is not worth making medium-term and long-term forecasts. I repeat, the main task at the moment is to protect the new Russian territories and work on the mistakes with the punishment of those responsible in the Russian military command.

    request
    Why is it necessary to punish the military again? soldier command?!
    The idea is “let’s go to Ukraine with a group of 200 thousand, where there are 44 million.” Is this the military's idea, or what?
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