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Russia has strengthened its position in the elite club of countries - manufacturers of supercomputers

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Russia has strengthened its position in the elite club of countries - manufacturers of supercomputers

For the first time in stories Russian supercomputer manufacturer shipped its product to the USA. T-Platforms won a tender for the supply of a high-performance T-Blade V-Class system to the University of New York State University of Stony Brook, hereinafter referred to as SBU. Historically, supercomputers originated in the United States, and so far most of them are manufactured and used in America. To assess the significance of the event, it remains to add that during a raid on a foreign territory, the domestic company left such famous IT corporations as HP and Dell behind.

The best-known use of high-performance computing systems is the creation of nuclear and rocket weapons. Therefore, countries that can make supercomputers get a pass to the elite club. But to maintain the country's prestige in this way is not easy: the more powerful the computing system, the more difficult it is to design it, despite the use of standard components.

In the modern world, supercomputers are used not only in military affairs, but also in industry (for designing and calculating the properties of structures), as well as in business and science. Mathematical modeling is widely used in all natural sciences. The availability of supercomputers has made it possible to calculate the necessary structure of new substances to obtain given properties, as well as the processes occurring at the atomic level, and even visualize them, helping scientists to understand the mechanisms of reactions. It is in the creation of new substances and materials that the Russian T-Blade will participate.

Who is who

The international fight for supercomputer prestige entered the public space in 1993, when the rating of the most productive top-500 supercomputers appeared, in which the devices were ranked according to the speed of the Linpack test. The results of this test can not always be directly applied to the speed of calculations in specific tasks, but as an arbitrator, he arranged everything, thanks to which he will celebrate his twentieth anniversary next year. Historically, most of the list is occupied by systems installed and manufactured in the United States. Even now, when the creation of supercomputers was simplified, the American systems for June 2012 of the year occupied half (252) positions in the top 500. It should be noted that many systems in the rating belong to other countries, but were created by American companies - HP, IBM, etc. So the top 500 reflects not only the level of development of supercomputer equipment in the country, but also interest in it: those who do not can produce a supercomputer, spend money to buy it.

The dynamics of the rankings show that China's IT industry is actively developing: since June 2010, it has been holding the second place in the number of high-performance systems. Usually they are created on standard components, including processors manufactured by American companies - IBM, Intel and AMD. But in 2011, the first supercomputer on Chinese processors appeared in the top 500. Another country with unique technologies in this area is Japan. There, the production of processors has long been mastered, and the system based on Fujitsu chips now occupies the second place in the rating. And although by the number of positions in the top 500, the Japanese now occupy only the third place, their computing systems used to periodically occupy the first line (the most powerful Japanese supercomputers use to simulate earthquakes). Western European countries are periodically selected to the first positions in the list, but only with the help of purchased systems.

Against the background of European countries, Russia looks good. The first supercomputers in Russia were purchased. However, at the beginning of the XXI century, production of its own was set up, and now, out of five machines belonging to the top 500, two were produced in Russia. By the number of systems and their total performance, Russia ranks tenth in the ranking. Note that the best of the systems installed in our country, Russian-made - Lomonosov supercomputer - takes 22-th place in the “Table of Ranks”, and at the time of its creation climbed to the high 12 line.

In Russia, the creation of supercomputers involved in two companies: "T-Platforms" and RSK-SKIF. Most of the T-Platforms public projects are implemented in universities, where they not only carry out research, but also solve applied problems for enterprises, and also train specialists working on supercomputers. Of the deliveries to industrial companies, one can mention projects with the Sukhoi Design Bureau, Rusal and the St. Petersburg Central Research Institute named after Academician A. N. Krylov. T-Platforms sell their systems not only in our country, but also abroad. After the launch of the 12 TFlops system for Tomsk State University, which became 72 in the list of supercomputers, the company was noticed by foreign partners, and since then it has sold several systems to Europe and Singapore.

RSC Group of Companies specializes in the creation, implementation and support of supercomputers in Russia. Its fastest computing system "SKIF-Aurora" takes 185-place in the top-500 and installed in South Ural State University. The creation of supercomputers RSK-SKIF began in cooperation with the Italian company Eurotech and the Institute of Program Systems of the Russian Academy of Sciences named after A. Aylamazyan. In particular, thanks to this partnership, its systems are characterized by water cooling, which improves energy efficiency (speed per unit of energy expended) and allows you to create low-noise supercomputers. Due to this, the RAC system is higher than the Russian competitor in the list of the most eco-friendly Green500 supercomputers. Interestingly, a commercial scheme for the use of computing power was implemented at SUSU - they were leased to the military. Another famous university that received the RSK supercomputer was MIPT near Moscow. The RNC system with 35 TFlops power is also installed in Rosgidromet, which made it possible to improve the accuracy of the weather forecast.

Fine tuning

The current sale in the United States was preceded by the experience of selling T-Platform products in Europe and Asia. The company even takes part in a project at the EU level. Within the framework of the PRACE RI initiative, a pan-European network is being created, uniting supercomputers. T-Platforms will participate in it by supplying equipment that will be included in the system by the partners of a Russian company - the Finnish supercomputer center IT Center for Science, the Swiss national supercomputer center CSCS and the Dutch National Center for High Performance Computing and Information Technology SARA. According to representatives of the domestic company, they took part in the project PRACE RI not for profit, but to gain experience of cooperation with leading European companies in the field of creating supercomputers and software for them.


This is the high-performance T-BLADE system module.


In the tender for the American University, Stony Brooks had to put a small supercomputer. The competition was held in several stages and included a preliminary demonstration of the solution, testing and selection of the winner. According to the Russian company, the T-Platform solution surpassed Dell’s decision on a number of customer-specified characteristics: peak performance, number of processor cores, case form factor, number of power supplies, etc. In contrast to HP, the domestic manufacturer was able to include the integration of the supercomputer into the SBU infrastructure and the optimization of the software and hardware part taking into account the specifics of scientific research.

Vladimir Voevodin, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Deputy Director of the Research Center of the Moscow State University, explains the reason for the victory of a Russian company in a foreign territory by the activity of compatriots: “T-Platforms is a small, but energetic and exceptionally competent team that allows them to implement advanced solutions of the world. " Let us explain which of the solutions helped our compatriots.

In the case of delivery in the US, this is a small system by the standards of high-performance computing. It contains 10 compute nodes based on AMD Opteron 6238 processors (each has 12 cores) and one control node redistributing the load between the servers via the high-speed QDR Infiniband bus. All of these modules managed to fit into a rack enclosure height 5U (1U = 4,4 cm - the height of a standard rack server). This became possible due to the fact that the Russian company itself develops boards, power supplies and even cooling systems. When compaction is required, a board design is created with the densest possible placement of elements. The choice of AMD processors allowed to reduce the cost of the system, and hence the final price for the customer.

The T-Blade V-Class compact supercomputer sold in the USA was equipped with the CentOS operating system and the VASP software package designed to model the molecular structure using quantum molecular dynamics methods. The estimated speed of the Russian supercomputer was 2,5 Tflops, and the real, according to the Linpack test, is more than 80% of the peak system performance. In addition, the T-Platform specialist fine-tuned the system and the VASP package, which accelerated work with him on the T-Blade V-Class by another 27%.

Summarizing, it can be noted that the T-Platforms, upon delivery, fine-tuned both the hardware and software, which, apparently, had a positive effect on the test results. Now the founder and CEO of T-Platform, Vsevolod Opanasenko, hopes to continue expanding to the USA: “This is our first delivery to America, and we are very pleased that we can compete with world vendors not only in Russia and Europe, but also on their“ home ” "Territory. For us, this delivery is very important, and, based on it, we hope to build on our success in the American market. ”

Why SBU is our supercomputer

The main user of the new computing system at SBU will be the laboratory of Artyom Oganov (The Oganov Lab), born and received a master's degree in our country. Perhaps this facilitated the negotiations. Oganov's laboratory is developing new materials using the Universal Universal Predictor: Evolutionary Xtallography's own “evolutionary” method: the program goes through random variants of molecular structures from which the most appropriate are selected. Child configurations are made from them - and so on until a material with the desired properties is obtained. In contrast to the usual method, which takes into account the interaction of all atoms, the Oganov method requires significantly less computational power to achieve the final result, so around 900 scientists use it around the world. (It is interesting that the abbreviation of the method name in Russian can be read as “success”.)
At the moment, a carbon compound similar in hardness to diamond is obtained by the USPEX method; the configuration in which methane is on planet Neptune; new modifications of sodium, boron ions and iron sulfide have been discovered. The Russian computing complex will help create new superhard materials and substances with special electrical and optical properties, as well as lithium compounds for the production of ultracapacitors and batteries.
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  1. sv-sakh
    sv-sakh 26 October 2012 07: 54
    -1
    Let's not be cunning and admit that microelectronics is at a very technically backward level ...
    "she develops boards, power supplies and even cooling systems" - well, what an achievement! And at home, on my knee, I collected my SVO from improvised means .. And I do not think this is anything outstanding.
    1. neodymium
      neodymium 26 October 2012 08: 41
      +17
      Quote: sv-sakh
      Let's not be cunning and admit that microelectronics is at a very technically backward level ...


      Well, I wouldn’t do that ... really.

      1. The Pentium was named after Pentkovsky:
      The head of the development department of the 586 Intel processor is FIZTekhovets Pentkovsky, core2Duo identity. Elbrus - our processor at that time was ahead of Intel's. Yes, and now we are slowly catching up

      2. Russian microcircuits in every sixth mobile phone
      http://cyro.ru/news/rossijskie_mikroskhemy_v_kazhdom_shestom_mobilnike/2012-01-0
      1-593

      We have everything.
      Investments have gone.
      Catch up with.
      1. sv-sakh
        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 08: 43
        +3
        This is the same industry in which to be proud of past merits - bad taste ...
        The dynamics of development are too high. And you can literally lag behind in development in a year
        And you are talking about some kind of anachronisms.
        1. Dmitry23RUS
          Dmitry23RUS 26 October 2012 17: 45
          +3
          sv-sakh,
          super expensive proces in gaming computers only less than 3% of the processor market. I don’t know a single office where there are prots on ordinary computers more powerful than Kor2Duo, I will not say anything about machines and all the electronics used in everyday life, because there and Much Weaker Weak ones cope with tasks, but if you are a Designer, or a dumb gamer, then you certainly need computers tricked out with multi-core-super-hertz core, but in real life most people do not need them, because the costs should be justified, and electronics manufacturers will buy what you call archaism, instead of modern super processors, such things =)
          By the way, at home I have a computer with a 6-core processor 16 gigabytes of RAM and two video cards, + something else in the motherboard is supposedly vidyuhi, the last time I played sapper with men, it’s fun, so you can’t forbid to live beautifully, but if you look from a rational point of view (like all electronics manufacturers). then any beef netbook would be enough for me, more than
          =)
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 26 October 2012 09: 48
        -7
        Did the herbs smoke?
        In June 1989, Vinod Dahm made the first draft of the processor, code-named P5. At the end of 1991, the development of the processor layout was completed, and engineers were able to run software on it. The stage of optimizing the topology and increasing work efficiency has begun. In February 1992, the design was basically completed, comprehensive testing of an experimental batch of processors began. In April 1992, it was decided to start industrial production, the Oregon factory No. 5 was chosen as the main industrial base. Industrial development of the production began and the final refinement of technical characteristics began.

        In October 1992, Intel announced that fifth-generation processors, previously code-named P5, would be called Pentium, not 586, as many had suggested. This was due to the fact that many companies manufacturing processors actively mastered the production of “clones” (and not only) of processors 386 and 486. Intel was going to register the name “586” as a trademark so that no one else could manufacture processors with such by the name, however, it turned out that it was impossible to register the numbers as a trademark, therefore, it was decided to name the new Pentium processors (the other was Greek π -ντε “five”), which also indicated the generation of this processor. On March 22, 1993, the presentation of the new microprocessor took place, a few months later the first computers based on them appeared.
        There are no cheburashka ...
        The rest is without comment ...
        1. neodymium
          neodymium 26 October 2012 10: 03
          +8
          "Vladimir Mstislavovich Pentkovsky is an outstanding Russian-American scientist, a graduate of the Faculty of FTC MIPT, Doctor of Technical Sciences, laureate of the State Prize. He is one of the developers of the Soviet supercomputers Elbrus and the high-level programming language El-76. In the early 90s he emigrated to the USA, where from 1993 - employed by Intel, one of the architects on the team that worked on the SSE extensions. He led the architecture and performance analysis of the Pentium III processor. .

          In 2010, under the leadership of V.M. Pentkovsky at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology (GU) began research on a grant from the Ministry of Education and Science [3]. On December 1, 2010, the Laboratory of Supercomputer Technologies for Biomedicine, Pharmacology and Small Structures, i-SCALARE [4], headed by V. M. Pentkovsky, was created at MIPT.

          wiki
          1. io_stalin
            io_stalin 26 October 2012 18: 27
            +1
            FizTech has always been considered an elite.
            And for some reason, according to Western ratings, he is not quoted ...
            In this, and last year, the highest passing score of the exam, after MGIMO among ALL universities.
            This year, the team of the Physics and Technology took 1st place in the world programming Olympiad.

            OUR winners of the international physics olympiad.
            http://mipt.ru/index/news/n_5o8rkz.html

            Congratulations to our guys!

            1. io_stalin
              io_stalin 26 October 2012 19: 11
              +1
              I apologize. but they took 3rd place.
              But on the first - SPbNIU ITMO

              1 St. Petersburg State University of IT, Mechanics and Optics
              2 University of Warsaw
              3 Moscow Institute of Physics & Technology
              4 Shanghai Jiao Tong University

              http://icpc.baylor.edu/ICPCWiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Results%20World%20Finals%202012
      3. Ergenekon
        Ergenekon 26 October 2012 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: neodim
        1. The Pentium was named after Pentkovsky:

        In October 1992, Intel announced that fifth-generation processors, previously code-named P5, would be called Pentium, not 586, as many had suggested. This was due to the fact that many companies manufacturing processors actively mastered the production of “clones” (and not only) of processors 386 and 486. Intel was going to register the name “586” as a trademark so that no one else could manufacture processors with such by the name, however, it turned out that it was impossible to register the numbers as a trademark, therefore, it was decided to name the new Pentium processors (the other was Greek π -ντε “five”), which also indicated the generation of this processor. On March 22, 1993, the presentation of the new microprocessor took place, a few months later the first computers based on them appeared.
      4. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 26 October 2012 19: 59
        0
        Two questions: Which manufacturer's processors were used in this supercomputer?
        And why was he sent to America, do we need supercomputers?
    2. urzul
      urzul 26 October 2012 09: 18
      +2
      Only in Super computers, cooling technology and architecture are important, and not in which basement are the microcircuits soldered.
      We already announced a plan for 2016 in the nuclear center of Sarov to bring power to 12 Exaflop
      1. sv-sakh
        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 54
        -6
        Excuse me, what supercomputers are you talking about ??? or purely generalized all under one comb, from a specially developed intelligence just to troll? laughing
        1. urzul
          urzul 26 October 2012 10: 05
          +6
          As the technology develops, the power of one valve in microprocessors decreases, but with increasing processor performance due to parallelism, the total power in some cases increases. When combining a large number of microprocessors in a system with mass parallelism, the integrated power and heat dissipation become comparable with similar indicators for vector-conveyor systems. However, sometimes for advertising purposes, parallel systems with a small number of processors are compared with supercomputers of previous or earlier generations to show their advantages in terms of simplicity and ease of use.
          Isn't there a cooling problem? K-computer - has consumption in 9,8 MW and how much energy do you have to dissipate? Try to dissipate at least 100 kW of heat in the apartment.

          And apparently I also came up with a synchronization problem, right?
          1. sv-sakh
            sv-sakh 26 October 2012 10: 07
            -7
            Well, cooling is not a problem at all ...
            Heat can be collected from microcomputers using a water cooling circuit.
            And where to take the collected heat? Yes, even on the cooling tower like a CHP !! laughing
            Technologies of coal of the last century ...
            1. urzul
              urzul 26 October 2012 10: 14
              +5
              And how long have our computers started to resemble cooling towers? Oh yes, apparently, schoolchildren are now designing CHPs all over the World lol
              Once again the question of NA andstupid smartest, In the photo K-computer with a power consumption of 9,8 MW.
              What is the heat output?
              And where is the CHPP Cooling Tower hidden in the photo?
              1. sv-sakh
                sv-sakh 26 October 2012 10: 22
                -5

                As an option
                or
                Here is the collection system:

                Although of course the cooling system is not only liquid but also air ... It all depends on the amount of heat generated and the amount of space that is available.
                In general, at least once in a live seen server? or a PC with a CBO?
                1. urzul
                  urzul 26 October 2012 10: 36
                  +3
                  Well, to summarize wink You yourself bring a system that laboratory technicians can’t afford. Even your photos bear a signature, IBM Research Laboratory in Zurich.
                  So what did you want to say
                  And at my knee at home I gathered my CBO from improvised means .. And I do not think this is something outstanding at all.
                  How productive is your creation? Honestly very interesting
                  http://www.netlib.org/lapack/#_lapack_version_3_1 например этим
                  1. sv-sakh
                    sv-sakh 26 October 2012 10: 43
                    0
                    I repeat to you one last time, create a PC cooling system - maybe on my knee ... I assembled my server cooling system from what I found in the garage in a box with old trash.
                    Performance depends on the capacity of the collectors and the pump flow (mine 10 liters per minute) ...
                    We take water to the radiator or wherever we want.
                    Choose any configuration and voila.
                    It is possible to create a super computer from a network of ordinary PCs (we are not talking about comparative performance).
                    In other words, you can create a supercomputer in your garage.
                    BUT!!!! this system will not break records of productivity and national pride this creation does not represent.
                    Now turn on the brain and stop trolling.
                    Tired of chesssslovo.
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 26 October 2012 20: 05
        +1
        Unfortunately, modern processors cannot be soldered in the basement! For production, you need to build your own silicone valley, mind you, not a shopping center, water park or stadium, but a factory!
        And about cooling, you remembered it in time, a very important question, we have recently a whole aircraft carrier overheated here
        http://lenta.ru/news/2012/09/18/aircarrier/
        1. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 26 October 2012 23: 15
          0
          For production, you need to build your own silicone valley, mind you, not a shopping center, water park or stadium, but a factory!

          There are companies in Russia that from scratch make microcircuits for frills and for space
          http://2leep.com/bar.php?url=http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/10761/
    3. Rossamaha
      Rossamaha 26 October 2012 12: 20
      0
      and this is a supercomputer, it will be more difficult wink
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 26 October 2012 18: 34
        +2
        And how is this option?
  2. Krilion
    Krilion 26 October 2012 08: 04
    +1
    it would make sense to rejoice if this supercomputer was assembled on a Russian element base ... as far as the news shows that one Russian company delivered equipment to another, almost Russian company ... one can only guess about special agreements ...
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 26 October 2012 08: 13
      -1
      Created not on the Russian element base and not for Russia ... What is the achievement then? and where does the elite club?
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 26 October 2012 08: 34
        +6
        First, a supercomputer is not a hydrocarbon.
        Secondly, if you have the components to create a machine like two fingers on the asphalt, then why did you attract a Russian company. They would have assembled on their knees.
        If an artist draws a beautiful picture, using not ours, but foreign paints, you will also say that this is not an achievement, since "the components are not domestic"?

        So there is still an achievement. And an elite club too - you cannot create a supercomputer in any garage
        1. sv-sakh
          sv-sakh 26 October 2012 08: 41
          -5
          Oh, very wrong! laughing Do not demonstrate such ignorance))
          A supercomputer is nothing more than a server integrated into a single computer network, and the most important thing here is the distribution of computing power and cost.
          Theoretically, any laboratory assistant at an IT university is able to create a super computer from several servers (of course, with the availability of money for components, but it's all worth it - indecently expensive)
          Well, the article does not say what place this miracle occupies among the existing supercopms of the world.
          Something like that.
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 26 October 2012 08: 47
            +3
            Quote: sv-sakh
            Theoretically, any laboratory assistant at an IT university is able to create a super computer from several servers.

            Perfectly. Each laboratory assistant can create software that turns "several servers" into a supercomputer. Perfectly. Well, why don't the respected IT laboratory technicians from Burkina Faso do this? To receive money from the United States, in which IT university technicians seem to be absent?

            Please tell us about it if you have such in-depth knowledge in this area.
            1. sv-sakh
              sv-sakh 26 October 2012 08: 50
              -6
              Quote: DIMS
              Burkina Faso will not do this?

              If the esteemed DIMS donates both of his kidneys to the Burkina Faso laboratory assistant, then this laboratory assistant will probably have money for a set of loops for connecting servers laughing
              The key here is money, bucks, dibs, cabbage .. Call it what you want.
              Why don't they win the contest?
              Well, a tender is a kickback championship not only in Russia, but all over the world.
              Again .. The article does not say at what level the created machine is located.
              It is one thing to assemble a super PC from its elemental base (microcontrollers, and other trifles), purchasing only those parts that are at a higher level of development from others.
              Another thing is generally to buy everything except power supplies and cooling systems ...
              It is not even funny.
              And in pursuit of an article on the topic http://www.gazeta.ru/techzone/2003/10/27_n_66661.shtml
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 26 October 2012 08: 55
                +3
                Dear, if you have such enormous knowledge, tell us when the experiment was made to create an analogue of a supercomputer from a network of ordinary ones, and why did this experiment remain an experiment?
                1. sv-sakh
                  sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 00
                  -2
                  Are you examining me ??? But do not you go to the forest or google for an answer? laughing
                  1. DIMS
                    DIMS 26 October 2012 09: 05
                    +1
                    I just really wanted to talk with a person who positions himself as a giant of thought in the field of IT.
                    1. sv-sakh
                      sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 09
                      -1
                      Your questions on the level of knowledge of computer science lessons in high school, what can I talk about? Are you laughing
                      It may not be worthwhile to amuse your ChSV and not argue about which issues you shouldn't cut at all, just because someone didn't shout "Uryayayaya Roisya is the best !!"
                      1. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 09: 11
                        +1
                        That is, you can’t answer, and therefore they decided to discuss my personality. Understood. The IT giant thought blown away.
                      2. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 16
                        -4
                        Yes, because you wrote nonsense.
                        It is absolutely possible to create a super computer from several ordinary PCs and any student with a trio of computer science can do this!
                        Check out:
                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMosix
                      3. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 09: 22
                        +5
                        Of course available. But not "a few ordinary PCs" but "several hundred ordinary PCs" you should know that.

                        By the way, as an ardent opponent of "Uryayaya Roisya is the best !!" Do you think that the T-Platforms company mentioned in the article should not have created a domestic Lomonosov, but should have been entrusted with this matter to some American company? And ours would be worth sitting on their butts straight until domestic components appear?
                      4. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 33
                        0
                        What nonsense ?? I answered your question, and the number of cars can reach up to thousands or more, or maybe out of two.
                        Super computer in this article was created for the USA ... There is nothing special to rejoice ...
                      5. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 09: 58
                        0
                        You did not answer my question.

                        Well, and the fact that the enemy "Uryayayaya Roisya is the best !!" There is nothing to be happy about because something other than hydrocarbons is being exported, I am not particularly surprised.
                      6. urzul
                        urzul 26 October 2012 09: 27
                        +2
                        penMosix was officially closed on 1 on March 2008, the source code has been frozen at Sourceforge.
                        Firstly, it is ready-made software for creating a cluster and it was not created by a laboratory assistant from boredom.
                        Secondly, the project is already closed.
                        Thirdly, on this software you can’t create a super computer that would be included in the TOP 1000 according to 2011 data.
                      7. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 34
                        -1
                        and who spoke about the top ??? the question was asked about the possibility - the answer is given
                        Everything you said only confirms my innocence and reinforces the words about laboratory assistants above in the text
                      8. urzul
                        urzul 26 October 2012 09: 41
                        +1
                        Like who it is, you assure that there is nothing of the kind in winning the tender for the supply of computers, since you could have swagged such a couple of students if you had the money.
                        Only here, following your link, the restriction on 16 processors is due to the drawbacks of the circuit, but MEGA computers will not take part in tenders.
                      9. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 50
                        -2
                        Quote: DIMS
                        Tell us, when was an experiment to create an analogue of a supercomputer from a network of ordinary ones, and why did this experiment remain an experiment?

                        That is the question.
                        The answer and the answer are given in full.
                        Nobody assures that the supercomputer from the article was created using the same technology by schoolchildren ... On the contrary, I say that there is no information on it about its position in the TOP.
                        Any more misunderstandings?
                      10. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 09: 53
                        0
                        Quote: sv-sakh
                        The answer and the answer are given in full.

                        Really? And I kind of asked why the experiment remained an experiment
                      11. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 09: 57
                        0
                        And what kind of experiment should I have guessed ??
                        The full-time psychics department is on maternity leave, so speak all common Russian conditions.
                        You were given the answer that this is completely possible.
                      12. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 10: 00
                        +2
                        Are you trying to jump? The question was:
                        Quote: DIMS
                        Tell us, when was an experiment to create an analogue of a supercomputer from a network of ordinary ones, and why did this experiment remain an experiment?

                        Do you need psychic to understand it?
                      13. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 10: 04
                        -2
                        Yes, what other analogue of a super computer from a regular network ??? which analogue? What does analog mean? what experiment? Who carried out? when held? Was it at all, or was it nonsense of a sick imagination?
                        If you created a super computer from ordinary PCs and for this reason a confirmation link to the source of information with all the explanations is given.
                      14. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 10: 10
                        +1
                        The IT giant has not heard of combining 600 PCs into a network in order to create an analogue of a supercomputer? Then it was still possible to achieve a speed of 180 gigaflops, although they counted on 500. Even strange.
                      15. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 10: 12
                        -5
                        What does analog mean?
                        (for the gifted I rephrase)
                        what difference does this "analogue" have with a stolen computer?
                        And why should I endure the brain if you yourself know about the successful creation of super computers with a productivity of 180 gigaflops?
                      16. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 10: 14
                        0
                        analogue m. That which is a semblance of smth., correspondence to smth. subject, phenomenon, concept.


                        And the "brain to endure" is about the second part of the question: why the experiment remained an experiment
                      17. sv-sakh
                        sv-sakh 26 October 2012 10: 22
                        -2
                        The answer is not given.
                        The experiment was successful; unification was possible and yielded results.
                        And my question is:
                        What is a super computer and why is it used?
                      18. DIMS
                        DIMS 26 October 2012 10: 35
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                        Exactly what is not given. It's nice that you at least realize this.

                        But I can continue to ask questions. The experiment was inspired by the supercomputer of the Polytechnic Institute and the University of Virginia, created on the basis of 1100 apple staffok, subsequently replaced by a server from the same company. We collected it for several years, and by no means IT lab assistants.
                        But here is the ficus picus, for 10 years it remains the only one.

                        By the way, I still can’t understand why you don’t know about these experiments, but instead give out pearls
                        Create a super computer from several ordinary PCs it is absolutely possible and any student with a triple on computer science can do it!
              2. terminator_163
                terminator_163 26 October 2012 10: 59
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                Article of 2010 is not relevant
          2. urzul
            urzul 26 October 2012 09: 21
            +2
            and most importantly, computing power distribution and cost.
            That is, the development of a complex computing architecture that not every graduate student will pull;)
            This is not a dumb increase in GHz by adding new processors.
        2. ra1647
          ra1647 26 October 2012 22: 32
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          Everything is simple, it is much cheaper here
    2. alexng
      alexng 26 October 2012 08: 24
      +4
      And all computers, including American ones, contain components from different countries, i.e. international element base. Somehow I had to wool the server from HP - the manufacturer, so there are components inside almost at least 20 countries. There is nothing to be done, today the technology in the world is so intertwined.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2012 08: 36
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        Quote: alexneg
        And all computers, including American ones, contain components from different countries

        Well, ours is also made of spare parts Made in not ours belay
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 26 October 2012 08: 53
          +2
          Well, this does not mean that you have to sit back and wait for the production of spare parts made in ours. In the meantime, they itch, use the adding machines and calculators "Electronics"
        2. alexng
          alexng 26 October 2012 15: 25
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          There is a scanty presence of imported components. In Russia, they also produce a line of chips, but they are much more expensive than those produced in Southeast Asia. And in SEA more rare earth metals are mined. It all depends for what purpose it is collected.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 26 October 2012 14: 04
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        Quote: alexneg
        there are components inside almost at least 20 countries. There is nothing to be done, today the technology in the world is so intertwined.

        But the main supplier of rare earth metals for them is China: "In 2011, the US Geological Survey (USGS) revised its estimate of the world's reserves of rare earth elements, due to the fact that this department reduced the list of those minerals that are economically profitable to extract The result revealed the following: China's reserves increased from 36 million tons to 55 million tons - this is exactly half of all world reserves... The US estimates the remaining reserves at 15 million tons, the CIS (Russia and the former Soviet republics) reportedly have reserves of 19 million tons, while the restated reserves of Australia fell from 5,4 to 1,6 million tons. Thus, rare earth metals became the economic and political force that China now possesses. Oil is used as a tool of influence in foreign policy in various parts of the world, in a similar way China will try to use rare earth metals for its own interests. Indeed, he is cleverly and skillfully taking advantage of this advantage, and now it is time for the rest of the world and the rest of the high-tech industry to try to catch up. "Eliot Brennan, Asia Times online Translation: The Essence of Time Club.
      3. Blat
        Blat 27 October 2012 00: 47
        0
        the fact that the plant is located in that country does not mean that the plant belongs to this country. These are mainly the US and European owners
    3. alatau_09
      alatau_09 26 October 2012 10: 10
      +2
      The main thing is that there is someone to design and build competently and at the level, the rest is acquired and not so remote ....
      It is better to have brains and be able to assemble even on other people's components than not to try or chop it with an ax at all ...
      1. Jin
        Jin 26 October 2012 12: 19
        +1
        I just watched how sv-sakh and DIMS were hacked to death and thought who was right after all ... After reading the article, I was proud of our achievements, but then they poured ice water, it seemed like I cooled down and thought ... I realized that the truth is somewhere in the middle, I think in the next couple or three, maybe more, the situation will become a little clearer ... I think the indicator is whether it has gone well or not, will be the appearance or absence of domestic computer hardware in our own planes , tanks, and the rest of the "economy", however ...
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 26 October 2012 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Krilion
      one Russian company delivered equipment to another, almost Russian company ... we can only guess about special agreements ...

      And thanks to a separate Artem Oganov, apparently not forgetting his classmates and friends ... fellow
  3. Cold
    Cold 26 October 2012 09: 42
    0
    Inside, instead of RAM, a hamster sits and spins a wheel lol There will be no analogs for another 20 years. wink
  4. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 26 October 2012 09: 45
    -2
    Shadow on the fence? What exactly is there Russian, let me ask? It is not particularly difficult to solder something from other people's parts, although some efforts must be made, of course ...
  5. Happiness
    Happiness 26 October 2012 09: 56
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    But in 2011, the first supercomputer based on Chinese processors appeared in the top 500. Another country with unique technologies in this area is Japan. Processors production has been mastered there for a long time, and Fujitsu's chip system now ranks second in the ranking.

    Well done, the Chinese, not only copy but also develop their own processes. Are they interesting x86 or another configuration?
    I'm afraid in silicon we can no longer catch up with the leaders, we need a breakthrough in the field of biocomputers, quantum computing, etc.
  6. Astartes
    Astartes 26 October 2012 10: 57
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    So now let's release computers for the population, and the army, after such achievements it is probably not difficult ???
  7. Averias
    Averias 26 October 2012 11: 20
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    These are two examples I want to give: In the old days, we created a working prototype of an optical computer with inconceivable speed (there are no analogues to this day), then we created a working prototype of a nuclear metal engine (small thrust engines (there are no analogues to this day. The West has spent gigantic amounts for bribes, etc. that would ruin these projects.If it seems like research is going on to the Nuclear-Fuel and Radiation Safety Account (since the principle of work was lost, and there were almost no people who did this), then the optical computer was deaf. most importantly - it worked.
  8. 8 company
    8 company 26 October 2012 13: 01
    +1
    Well, at least something, some kind of glimpse. Anything is better than poisoning geneticists and cyberneticists at party meetings for "anti-scientific".
  9. taseka
    taseka 26 October 2012 13: 33
    0
    Probably they offered such a low price for the competition that they laughed and bought it there!
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 26 October 2012 21: 52
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    To assess the significance of the event, it remains to add that during the raid on foreign territory, the domestic company left behind such well-known IT corporations as HP and Dell.

    Something bothers me in this sentence !! Not too grabbed .........?
    Only one weather service in China has 36 super computers !!
    And we still ............. measure a glass of sediment !!!
  11. Stary oper
    Stary oper 26 October 2012 22: 14
    +2
    I had a chance to visit the MCC in February 1990. So we were told there an interesting case. During the joint Soyuz-Apollo flight, the Union played (excuse me) a passive role, and Apollo an active one. :) That is, he docked to the Union. Flight monitoring was carried out from the MCC and from the Lyndon Johnson Space Center in the USA. It is clear that a huge amount of telemetry was arriving, which had to be processed. So, during the first attempt, our computer after processing the telemetry data produced the result that Apollo was approaching not at a calculated angle, which is unacceptable. Our specialists immediately informed their American colleagues. They did not believe it, since their computer had not yet processed the information received. And only after a few minutes they confirmed the data that were reported from the MCC and were very much surprised.
  12. Grey68
    Grey68 26 October 2012 23: 40
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    Quote: Happiness
    I'm afraid in silicon we can no longer catch up with the leaders, we need a breakthrough in the field of biocomputers, quantum computing, etc.

    Does he need silicon? not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday. otherwise, the future is in the hands of bio and quantum computers, and who will show time more efficiently, but now the next step towards AI has already been made, it makes it sad. People are still not particularly valued, and then what?