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Deputy Gurulyov urged to explain why during the partial mobilization problems with the presence of a military uniform were discovered

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Deputy Gurulyov urged to explain why during the partial mobilization problems with the presence of a military uniform were discovered

State Duma deputy Andrei Gurulev, who previously served as deputy commander of the Southern Military District, published a note in which he asked about the availability of military uniforms during the period of partial mobilization. Andrey Gurulyov writes that it is not clear to him where 1,5 million sets of uniforms from personnel reception points could have gone.


Lieutenant General Gurulev:

No one is going to explain in any way where the problems with the form come from, with something else?

The deputy proposes to start staffing the personnel reception points now, with an eye to the future, so that the uniforms of the personnel do not turn into something incomprehensible due to the lack of kits.

Andrey Gurulyov also criticized the questions of feedback from the Ministry of Defense. Noting that he knows General Konashenkov well, the deputy stressed that the issue of providing information should be approached differently from the way it is approached in the department now.

Also, the deputy again "walked" on General Bulgakov, who was recently removed from the post of Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics.

Gurulev urged not to look for another job for General Bulgakov, but to ask him why some mobilized did not receive uniforms.

Russian parliamentarian:

Today Mikhail Yevgenyevich Mizintsev has taken up the post of Deputy Minister for Logistics. It will not be possible to change the situation quickly, but I am sure he can do it in the future.
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  1. g_ae
    g_ae 3 October 2022 06: 55
    +81
    Optimizer optimizers! What is there to think? It is necessary to conduct an audit of the property of the officials of the Moscow Region and their relatives, and everything will become clear and understandable. What, where, how much. Who's in charge of billing? Kudrin? Well, all the ends are in the water, a raven will not peck out the eyes of a crow.
    1. bulgaria_
      bulgaria_ 3 October 2022 06: 58
      +42
      Wow, we have been waiting for this in Bulgaria for 33 years. I hope you get it done faster. Riba begins to plow with his head - that's the kind of wisdom we have.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 3 October 2022 08: 27
        +1
        Quote from bulgaria_
        Riba begins to plow with his head - that's the kind of wisdom we have.

        Piscis primum a capite foetat
        Latin
        1. bulgaria_
          bulgaria_ 3 October 2022 09: 00
          +1
          In vino veritas - I said.
          Sic transit gloria mundi.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 3 October 2022 09: 15
            +6
            Yes Yes.
            I'm talking about the fact that wisdom is international.
            With Latin roots.
            Not yours and not ours.
            1. Elf
              Elf 4 October 2022 19: 08
              +2
              Oh, the proverbial contest! Love! How about this one:
              "Any quartermaster after five years of service can be hanged without any trial" (c) Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov, Count Rymniksky
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 4 October 2022 19: 13
                -1
                Alexander Vasilyevich is an authority that you cannot argue with.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 3 October 2022 08: 28
        0
        We also have such a saying, it just sounds: the fish rots from the head. It turns out to plow in Bulgarian - to rot?
        1. bulgaria_
          bulgaria_ 3 October 2022 09: 01
          +19
          Smells most like to say. But, I don’t use Google and sometimes words are missed.
          1. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 3 October 2022 11: 27
            +1
            Quote from bulgaria_
            Smells most like to say. But, I don’t use Google and sometimes words are missed.

            To plow from the word to smell, but in this case to plow means to stink. And it is so, when you sniff it, the fish stinks from the head.
      3. Romanenko
        Romanenko 3 October 2022 12: 06
        +5
        Rotting from the head, and cleaning from the tail
        This is our reality, alas.
        1. bulgaria_
          bulgaria_ 3 October 2022 12: 59
          +18
          Yes, look what a disgrace is going on your Live broadcast. This Colonel Fitigarov speaks memorized words. Borots must be destroyed. And the chief of the LPR said that Hymers and French were hitting aimingly. Here is the direct truth. They track you from space, transmit direct guidance to both equipment and aircraft, and your generals will not be able to do anything - because this is a war on small things - like the Internet, like a coordinate, like a projectile. Is it efficient to thump from the spacecraft to some point and kill 200 people? How much iskander is needed to break 400 thousand? 2000 tyis iskanders. Even more so, if intelligence overslept and a battle is being fought from 300-400 meters - who will this Iskander blow? In general - for 30 years your general has overslept a lot of things.
    2. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 06: 59
      +54
      And in the shops of Hunting and Fishing, where did the camouflage uniform come from then? Where did the form come from then in the stores of the Old Soldier network and the like? Bertsy? There were even unloadings.
      Our mobilized in Ekaburg for the first wave swept EVERYTHING out of such stores - now it's a golyak. Broniks didn’t even sell new-style helmets there ....

      Now online sales of uniforms and equipment have become more active - where from? But the prices there are in such online stores ..... People in an interview reported that they stocked up to the fullest - about 120 thousand turned out.
      1. FoBoss_V
        FoBoss_V 3 October 2022 07: 04
        +22
        In Vladivostok, the situation is exactly the same. They told the mobile phones in the naval crew in plain text, take care of yourself. So they raked out all the military shops and military shops
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 3 October 2022 07: 11
          +18
          Quote: FoBoss_V
          In Vladivostok, the situation is exactly the same. The mobile phones in the naval crew were told so in plain text, take care of yourself.

          And I don’t want to escalate, but in U-Ude, those mobilized on Divizka are denied food !! More precisely, they say that: we feed the villagers, and the city ones ourselves, all by ourselves, let the wives-mothers carry!
          Not to mention the lists of essentials, but it is not clear here whether it is necessary in excess of the prescribed or in general!
          1. lwxx
            lwxx 3 October 2022 07: 23
            +11
            In Khabarovsk, they have already begun to restore order. - Military Commissar of the Khabarovsk Territory Yuri Laiko was removed from his post. This was announced by the head of the region Mikhail Degtyarev.
            1. FoBoss_V
              FoBoss_V 3 October 2022 07: 34
              +56
              It's this "removed" that infuriates me the most. Is this our way of punishment - suspension? Yes, he crossed himself there laughing out loud, they say, and ruff yourself there with your mobilization. And I have a length of service, I have an apartment, a chic pension. I’d better go to a sanatorium-and-spa treatment, undermined by years of hard service, I’ll heal my health. The whole family . At public expense, of course, the same benefits
              1. Postcode
                Postcode 3 October 2022 08: 05
                +16
                Taking into account their ranks, they are almost all subject to mobilization, a conditional "political officer" of some formed rifle regiment.
                1. guest
                  guest 3 October 2022 18: 18
                  +4
                  But if they behave like this at the front, they will deserve the title of heroes personally from Zelensky. It is useless and even dangerous to mobilize such pests, only to plant them.
                  1. Postcode
                    Postcode 4 October 2022 07: 53
                    +1
                    The position “I’m sick of everything I’m not responsible for anything” does not imply great achievements, while it does not prohibit these achievements from being made)))))
                2. Silhouette
                  Silhouette 4 October 2022 16: 29
                  -1
                  Military commissars have nothing to do with political officers.
                  1. Postcode
                    Postcode 5 October 2022 11: 31
                    +1
                    At one time, when they introduced a deputy for educational work, and political schools were no longer working, not successful generals were often appointed to these positions, well, like, it’s already a shame to command a platoon, but it’s clearly not drawn to the ZKR or KR, let’s go for it " the fight against hp."))) Draw up combat sheets, control the PCD of the company / battalion, control the daily routine on Sundays.
              2. hector
                hector 3 October 2022 17: 11
                +9
                Quote: FoBoss_V
                It's this "removed" that infuriates me the most. Is this our way of punishment - suspension?

                Suspended, resigned, without investigation, these are such cool ways to avoid responsibility.
              3. gromit
                gromit 4 October 2022 00: 16
                +4
                If instead of being judged, one should ask unpleasant questions and receive even more unpleasant answers.
                As a result of the investigation, you can come out on yourself.
                You never know that it turns out that in the Russian provinces it is poor and bad. And they can’t clothe, feed and humanly accommodate people there, not at all because of malicious intent?
                Type - Why is there no form for the mobilized? So warehouse stocks were cut off to save the budget.
                Why is the gym roof leaking? And we wrote an application for repairs in 2012, we are on the plan for 2047.
                Why were the mobilized not provided with hot meals? Yes, even first-graders do not receive free meals ...
                And so the rules - removed without the possibility of justification.
                Very convenient.
            2. Sergey Drozdov
              Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 08: 10
              -2
              Yes, your Degtyarev will restore order ...
            3. Gate68
              Gate68 3 October 2022 22: 49
              +2
              The news reported that he was transferred by the military commissar of the Magadan region
          2. vlad106
            vlad106 3 October 2022 22: 01
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            We feed the villagers, and the city ones ourselves, all by ourselves, let the wives-mothers carry them!
            Not to mention the lists of essentials, but it is not clear here whether it is necessary in excess of the prescribed or in general!


            They've all sold out!
            Where is SMERSH?
        2. Rustic
          Rustic 3 October 2022 10: 53
          +5
          They told the mobile phones in the naval crew in plain text, take care of yourself.
          And did you get the machine gun out of the BC? Well, what would it be exactly like in a joke: they gave a weapon and spin as you can.
          1. In passing
            In passing 3 October 2022 11: 28
            +5
            "You get a rifle in battle" yes
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 3 October 2022 07: 09
        +21
        Yes, it's one thing to buy from a manufacturer's factory, another thing to buy from a MO warehouse.
        1. North Caucasus
          North Caucasus 3 October 2022 07: 37
          +14
          Actually, MO makes an order for the factory. After the purchase, there should be a report on the availability of the purchased item in stock. And how is it not available if according to the documents it should be there! This is not a store where everything is sold out! You are going fishing. We bought a case of vodka. We've arrived. But there was no vodka! So it turns out! Where did the fishing vodka go?
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 3 October 2022 07: 49
            +21
            Grulev asks where is the uniform from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, which the state paid for under the defense order. Fishing without vodka is masochism, you can forget the fishing rods, but never vodka.
      3. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 3 October 2022 07: 43
        +27
        Quote: Nexcom
        And in the shops of Hunting and Fishing, where did the camouflage uniform come from then? Where did the form come from then in the stores of the Old Soldier network and the like? Bertsy? There were even unloadings.
        Our mobilized in Ekaburg for the first wave swept EVERYTHING out of such stores - now it's a golyak. Broniks didn’t even sell new-style helmets there ....

        Now online sales of uniforms and equipment have become more active - where from? But the prices there are in such online stores ..... People in an interview reported that they stocked up to the fullest - about 120 thousand turned out.


        Rat history... wink
      4. YOUR
        YOUR 3 October 2022 07: 50
        +14
        In the search engine you type "buy a military uniform of the Russian Federation" or buy a "warrior" - hundreds of sites of online stores selling from the old form to the super modern
        One of these - https://armytur.ru/ratnik
        For example, a bulletproof vest 6B45 costs 65 thousand, ZhTM 6Sh117 Unloading Vest Transport Modular - 14000.
        The example of Spain, weapons are allowed there, but army calibers are prohibited, the sale of active military uniforms is prohibited. With us, and what do you see and know with us
      5. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 3 October 2022 07: 54
        +3
        If you still buy a helmet with armor, then these things will just be pulled by 120 kilo rubles ....
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 3 October 2022 08: 06
          +14
          Well then, the full equipment turns out to be more than 200 thousand. The men in an interview said that without armor and helmets they stocked everything in the amount of about 120 thousand. They even bought army flasks. The military registration and enlistment offices gave them a thermos with flashlights.
      6. Yorgven
        Yorgven 3 October 2022 08: 06
        +7
        And if you take a body kit for Kalash, then another ~ 150 plus. Only the collimator and magnifer will cost ~ 100 thousand.
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 3 October 2022 08: 13
          +9
          They showed on our TV how those mobilized in Yelan are undergoing training. They had AKMs in their hands: a wooden fore-end and a butt, which differed from the 5.45x39 magazine, could not be confused with anything. Like the compensator in the form of a bevel of the barrel, it cannot be confused with the characteristic DTK in 74ki. I don’t quite understand where to sculpt the body kit on the AKM ... Like the collimator too. Perhaps through the side fasteners, but AKM does not have it, as far as I know.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 3 October 2022 08: 22
            +3
            They showed on our TV how those mobilized in Yelan are undergoing training. They had AKMs in their hands. the wooden fore-end, butt, and the store, which differs from 5.45x39, cannot be confused with anything. Like the compensator in the form of a bevel of the barrel, it cannot be confused with the characteristic DTK in 74ki. I don’t quite understand where to sculpt the body kit on the AKM ... Like the collimator too.

            At exhibitions, such an AK-12 is good, but I would choose an ordinary AK-74. I don’t like cleaning weapons. I’m sorry about cleaning these plastic primambas.
            1. Nexcom
              Nexcom 3 October 2022 08: 28
              +3
              but on the 12th, the butt can be more accurately adjusted for yourself, the collimator (if given) can be screwed onto the receiver cover. if they give this collimator of course ....
              1. Konnick
                Konnick 3 October 2022 09: 01
                -2
                but the 12th butt can be more accurately customized

                In the shooting range, they shoot from sports weapons that are adjusted to a specific athlete, and for shooting from a standing position and lying down, you need to adjust the butt in different ways. This is a cut of money, we learned from pend .... But war is not a shooting gallery and you can’t shoot from a comfortable position. And the jittering of the shutter with your left hand also infuriates ... try in the "lying" position, under fire, to change the store with your left hand, if you are not left-handed. Yes, even these "bras". Stores should be in the bag, on the right, on the side. And these "bras" are purely fashionable show-offs.
                1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                  DymOk_v_dYmke 3 October 2022 12: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: Konnick
                  And these "bras" are purely fashionable show-offs.

                  Sometimes, as I understand it, this is additional protection.
                  1. Konnick
                    Konnick 3 October 2022 13: 53
                    +2
                    Sometimes, as I understand it, this is additional protection.

                    For a ricochet in "between the legs". But they used to run on the attack, covering their personal belongings with a wooden butt from splinters.
                2. dnestr74
                  dnestr74 3 October 2022 20: 10
                  +6
                  How many stores are in the pouch?, did you run with them on your side?
              2. Bayun
                Bayun 3 October 2022 23: 12
                0
                With the "universal soldier" - does not go. Stepping on is one thing; defense is different.

                From practitioners, there are no "one-size-fits-all" solutions. What the military soul asks for, then apply. The soul does not lie. One is short, the other is long...
            2. Mungut
              Mungut 4 October 2022 00: 57
              +3
              And you are right. The collimator will break, and dirt will clog into the body kit. Everything should be simple and reliable.
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 3 October 2022 08: 27
            +7
            As well as a compensator in the form of a bevel of the trunk
            Well, yes, AKM in its purest form. One plus - the 7,62 bullet works well on Sumerian armor, not like the light 5,45.
          3. Obliterator
            Obliterator 3 October 2022 14: 05
            -1
            Quote: Nexcom
            They showed on our TV how those mobilized in Yelan are undergoing training. They had AKMs in their hands: a wooden fore-end and a butt, which differed from the 5.45x39 magazine, could not be confused with anything. Like the compensator in the form of a bevel of the barrel, it cannot be confused with the characteristic DTK in 74ki. I don’t quite understand where to sculpt the body kit on the AKM ... Like the collimator too. Perhaps through the side fasteners, but AKM does not have it, as far as I know.

            So the forearm changes to another one, where on all sides there are rails for attaching all sorts of flashlights, laser sights and handles, and even above the receiver cover there will be a rail for mounting a sight.
            1. Yorgven
              Yorgven 3 October 2022 14: 33
              0
              That's right, and if you add a pistol grip and a telescopic stock, then the old oak AKM turns into a powerful, comfortable assault rifle.
              1. Nexcom
                Nexcom 3 October 2022 15: 21
                +5
                they forgot about DTK - modern ones will be more interesting than the original beveled one.

                you can’t cure the AKM receiver cover that loosens over time. therefore, nothing can be put on top of it, only if through the side additional bracket.
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 4 October 2022 08: 54
                  0
                  - At 12m, the cover is attached approximately like on AKSU ... Not very convenient when cleaning, but reliable enough ...
                  1. Nexcom
                    Nexcom 4 October 2022 09: 13
                    0
                    Well, here's how it really is...


                    short message
                    1. saygon66
                      saygon66 4 October 2022 09: 34
                      0
                      -Here, just at 0.35, the removal of the axis of the receiver cover is briefly shown ...
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          5. saygon66
            saygon66 4 October 2022 08: 51
            +2
            - Available on AKMN - a side mount for night sights is installed ...
      7. Taimen
        Taimen 3 October 2022 08: 30
        +16
        Yeltsin was once asked where the billion aid sent from the West to the Far East had gone. Spreading his hands, Yeltsin replied, who knows? So it is here. They follow in the footsteps of Yeltsin, but they scold the USSR. And there they even gave out everything to the "partisans". Here is the answer to the loss of 1,5 million sets, but who knows. same stealing deck.
      8. Pereira
        Pereira 3 October 2022 08: 34
        +20
        Everything is exactly the same as in Ukraine. One to one.
        This once again confirms the thesis that Russians and Ukrainians are one people.
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 3 October 2022 10: 37
          -9
          This once again confirms the thesis that Russians and Ukrainians are one people.


          A very controversial thesis
      9. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 3 October 2022 10: 23
        +3
        Quote: Nexcom
        And in the shops of Hunting and Fishing, where did the camouflage uniform come from then? Where did the form come from then in the stores of the Old Soldier network and the like? Bertsy?

        There is a sale on Wideberry, on any online stores in all sorts of flea markets .., We laughed at the ensign Khokhl om ..? It was a funny, thieving, but kind warrant officer, a petty thief ... Now we cry because of our quartermaster thieves, in officer uniforms ... Here a comrade from Bulgaria cited a proverb - "The fish rots from the head", The question arises, where is the army counterintelligence, where is the FSB , who should control all quartermaster services? Relying only on the decency and honesty of the quartermaster servicemen is reckless .. Lenin said: "Trust, but Verify !!!"
      10. Piramidon
        Piramidon 3 October 2022 11: 57
        0
        Quote: Nexcom
        And in the shops of Hunting and Fishing, where did the camouflage uniform come from then?

        We have it for sale in the shops "Working clothes". I bought a flight jacket there myself not so long ago.
      11. YOUR
        YOUR 3 October 2022 15: 05
        +4
        We have Bars shop, hunting, fishing, equipment.
        I wanted to buy shoes for the dacha, they are sometimes cheap and very suitable there. There is nothing, I ask the seller, so a hat acquaintance, we bow at the meeting, WHERE? As soon as the mobilization began, everything was crushed. Only expensive shoes remained, any camouflage was bought up. I don’t understand why, if the army should give everything away. You can understand when they buy sweaters, warm underwear, socks, some kind of medicine, but shoes and camouflage are hunting for a fig ???????????????
      12. alexey alexeyev_2
        alexey alexeyev_2 4 October 2022 06: 10
        +1
        You say 120 thousand .. Well, this is still divine.
      13. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 4 October 2022 09: 37
        0
        Where, where .... From the manufacturer!
      14. skeptic
        skeptic 4 October 2022 13: 16
        0
        Quote: Nexcom
        But the prices there are in such online stores ..... People in an interview reported that they stocked up to the fullest - about 120 thousand turned out.

        I'm afraid the Ministry of Internal Affairs will not touch this topic, but the FSB will say that they are not up to it now. Such online stores work on the wing of "ensigns" with stripes, and therefore, are immortal. Who will break, for decades, the system being created. A seditious thought suggests itself - maybe they started a CBO for such people? "To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear."
    3. free
      free 3 October 2022 12: 29
      +8
      1,5 million kits were lost, and more should be brought in. Damn, you are a deputy of the State Duma, create a commission as they do in the states, conduct an investigation, then deputy hearings on the case, so that in front of your commission (you can in front of the cameras) the guilty stand with their heads down sadly, show us that they are guilty, and you servants of the people revealed them. For the last probably 10 years in the news only "the deputy said, spoke, blah blah." In the case, I saw only deputy Zhirinovsky, it was not in vain that everyone wrote to him who did not find the truth anywhere else. Start working for the country already, will there be such people among 450 people?
    4. Amper
      Amper 3 October 2022 14: 53
      +5
      You can start with Shoigi, such questions were asked, but hung in the air. fellow In short, everyone found everything feel
    5. skeptic
      skeptic 4 October 2022 13: 26
      0
      Quote: g_ae
      What is there to think? It is necessary to conduct an audit of the property of officials of the Ministry of Defense and their relatives,

      Seriously, then to calculate the owners of online stores, through them - to stripes. Demoted to the front line, without what deprived the conscripts.
  2. Dartanian
    Dartanian 3 October 2022 06: 55
    +31
    This is only 1,5 lama of ammunition, so if there were a couple of pies in the store, then yes, this is the deadline, but only a transfer to another position. Our service is both dangerous and difficult, and at first glance, as if not visible :)))
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 3 October 2022 07: 09
      +11
      Quote from Dartanyan
      and so only the transfer to another position.

      Definitely a promotion!!!
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 3 October 2022 07: 12
        +10
        And with the state award for services to the Fatherland. For nefig.
    2. Kim
      Kim 3 October 2022 07: 23
      -11
      and who was imprisoned "for two pies"?
      or as usual ?
      1. Titus_2
        Titus_2 3 October 2022 22: 12
        +2
        About 15 years ago I saw a man who was imprisoned for 3-liter cans taken from the fence (fence). The man was repeatedly convicted and the district police officer did not breathe evenly towards him.
        1. Kim
          Kim 4 October 2022 03: 33
          +1
          what about forty years ago? and a hundred years?
          ------------------
          recidivists are always treated more harshly
          ------------------
          the author, like a partisan under interrogation by the Romanians ...
          expected...
          1. frog
            frog 4 October 2022 08: 36
            +1
            the author, like a partisan under interrogation by the Romanians ...
            expected...

            What did you want? Truth, "tearing hearts" ??)) So the author is a reasonable person, he has no desire to communicate with the owners of "kind tired eyes". Well, we have such a bond. Remember some mutations in the history of the Second World War, how it changed over time and .... by changing the order from above .....
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  3. hangar200
    hangar200 3 October 2022 06: 55
    +13
    Lord ...... there is no other word ....... we have darkness ukrov in power ..... why are we hiding?
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 3 October 2022 06: 56
    +41
    What's happening? Partial revealed this! What if it's full? What the hell are organizational conclusions!? Tribunal!!! Thousands of lives due to fat cattle!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 October 2022 07: 10
      +22
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      What the hell are organizational conclusions!? Tribunal!!! Thousands of lives due to fat cattle!

      It was not for nothing that Comrade Stalin ordered the execution of Generals Pavlov and Klimovsky, and did not appoint them to other posts.
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 3 October 2022 07: 14
        +8
        In those days, in order to appoint a really messed up (stealing or something) yes to another position, well, this never happened.
        1. frog
          frog 3 October 2022 08: 46
          +1
          We read the story of Monsieur Salzman))) Too typical, again, in the context of the fight against cosmopolitanism. The word "liberal" was not known then.
          If there is not enough for "patriotic-minded individuals", I can add more, but I'm afraid it won't help.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 October 2022 09: 55
          0
          Quote: Nexcom
          In those days, in order to appoint a really messed up (stealing or something) yes to another position, well, this never happened.

          It happened occasionally when colonels were appointed privates.
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 3 October 2022 10: 02
            +3
            This is understandable. They themselves were much then not to the wall but to redeem with blood. I meant that those who screwed up from one bread position to another bread position were not transferred.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 3 October 2022 10: 06
              +3
              Quote: Nexcom
              I meant that those who screwed up from one bread position to another bread position were not transferred.

              With this, under Joseph Vissarionovich, it was strict.
              1. frog
                frog 3 October 2022 18: 15
                0
                That is, we continue to get wet? ... a charitable thing, of course ....
        3. your1970
          your1970 3 October 2022 22: 14
          +2
          Quote: Nexcom
          In those days, in order to appoint a really messed up (stealing or something) yes to another position, well, this never happened.

          Well, what the hell ... Voroshilov with Oktyabrsky, Kulik, Khrushchev (Kharkov) and further down the list - they quietly giggle at your naivety .....
          Behind each of them - thousands of 200-300 dead soldiers for sure ...
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 3 October 2022 07: 36
        +12
        How many were repressed precisely for economic crimes. Under the USSR, it was that after a certain amount of their theft ---- execution
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 3 October 2022 07: 40
          +15
          Yes, and if this managed to get out - a ban on holding public positions and positions related to finance and financial values.

          The Chinese, too, have always shot stealers as the most dangerous criminals who undermine the security of the state. Thieves and bribe-takers. And now they are shooting. Recently, the deputy minister was slapped at home. He stole and took bribes. It was on the news.
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 3 October 2022 07: 54
          0
          So they stole anyway. I remember at the head of trade in Rostov-on-Don, at the dacha, so that peacocks live somehow, you don’t show off too much under the USSR. He was shot, but where did the peacocks go?
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 3 October 2022 08: 30
            +8
            So they still stole.
            Yes, they stole. But the scale is not current. It's like stopping bailing out water from a leaky boat - why, because it still pours.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 3 October 2022 09: 04
              -2
              They stole on a grand scale and with enthusiasm.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 3 October 2022 09: 12
                +6
                They stole on a grand scale and with enthusiasm. I remember the caviar business.
                I also remember the case about the Okean network (one of these was hidden in our office - the deputy for general issues, but in 1979 they dug it up, and he sat down), and also about the Eliseevsky store. All of this is in the 70s. However, the "blow and enthusiasm" was held back. They steal with care. It was in the late 80s that it suddenly became clear that they were all "effective owners."
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 3 October 2022 09: 33
                  +3
                  Those who served time for economic crimes suddenly became deputies of the red directors of privatizers.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 3 October 2022 17: 43
                    +3
                    And the "red directors" themselves were not "red" for long, they instantly found themselves in the ruling party - first "Russia is my home", then EP - "we eat Russia."
                    1. tralflot1832
                      tralflot1832 3 October 2022 18: 05
                      +1
                      Wow, only many became millionaires by slaughtering a cow right away, and not many became billionaires after realizing that a cow should not be slaughtered, and sometimes it needs to be fed. I am that happy cow.
                2. frog
                  frog 3 October 2022 18: 16
                  0
                  Tell Politburo member Sharaf Rashidovich about "looking back"...
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 3 October 2022 18: 36
                    +1
                    Tell Politburo member Sharaf Rashidovich about "looking back"...
                    Better ask Gdlyan and Ivanov, where is the gold "found" by them?
                    1. frog
                      frog 3 October 2022 20: 52
                      -1
                      I would say about elderberry and one town, but now it's unfashionable wink
                      Or were there no postscripts of cotton in the Uzbek SSR? Let's keep quiet about other places for now ....
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 3 October 2022 22: 20
                        0
                        I explain in order. It was Gdlyan and Ivanov who squealed from all the stands that they had discovered postscripts and a pile of gold from Rashidov's relatives in Uzbekistan. It is possible that you do not remember this from childhood. And then, for some reason, they did not present anything, although they were obliged by their position. There are rumors and there is evidence. Apart from rumors, they presented nothing. So do not talk about elderberry here.
                      2. frog
                        frog 4 October 2022 08: 46
                        -2
                        Then let me do the same.
                        When did the "promotion", conditionally, of corruption in the Uzbek SSR (esssno, associated with cotton, but not only) begin? EMNIP, mid-70s ... And where are the "calls" you mentioned at that time?
                        This is not about these boobies, sorry. And not about kilograms of redhead, which did exist. We are talking about the same corruption, specifically - in the cotton industry. And I'm not going to prove the absence of God to the believer, because I don't participate in religious disputes. And if you still remember this sweet couple, you should remember what and how it was. Or have you only read "Spark"?
                        Would you like me to list a list of those lightly imprisoned in this case? Or are you firmly convinced that no one stole in the holy Union, that the “Ocean case” was invented by a filthy Geb?
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 4 October 2022 09: 04
                        0
                        Don't jump off topic. The original question was about the "wealth" of Sharaf Rashidovich. I explained about his strange whistleblowers (and even after his death). He wrote about them not only "Ogonyok" editor-in-chief Korotich, but also the entire then Soviet press. I do not enter into disputes about faith, I ask you not to attribute my own thoughts about the absence of the Ocean case and the absence of those imprisoned for theft. Write more carefully, the State Security Service did not conduct the Okean case, this is the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                      4. frog
                        frog 4 October 2022 09: 15
                        0
                        Truth? Curious...
                        I also remember the case about the Okean network (one of these was hidden in our office - the deputy for general issues, but in 1979 they dug it up, and he sat down), and also about the Eliseevsky store. All of this is in the 70s. However, the "blow and enthusiasm" was held back. They steal with care. It was in the late 80s that it suddenly became clear that they were all "effective owners."

                        Whose?
                        Tell Politburo member Sharaf Rashidovich about "looking back"...

                        And where was the wealth of Rashidov?
                        It was about a million tons of cotton assigned, conditionally (if you do not go into details). The money for which was paid, essno, not only to Sharaf Rashidovich, this is still difficult.
                        But that money was stolen. And it was authorized by him.
                        About other Uzbek affairs, you, essno, have not heard ....
                        In the second half of the 1970s, the General Director of the Trade and Production Company “Ocean” E. B. Feldman and the director of one of the “Ocean” brand stores Fishman came to the attention of the KGB workers.

                        As a result of joint actions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB of the USSR, an extensive criminal structure was opened, which was engaged in the smuggling of black caviar. Deputy Minister of Fisheries of the USSR Vladimir Rytov was eventually sentenced to death and shot.

                        Read more carefully, I wrote that "the case is invented." Which does not mean at all that it organized it "from beginning to end". And yes, cases of corruption of this level were investigated by the Ministry of Internal Affairs .... Say something else funny ....
                      5. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 4 October 2022 14: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ...... the question was about the "wealth" of Sharaf Rashidovich. I explained about his strange whistleblowers (and even after his death). He wrote about them not only "Spark" of the editor-in-chief Korotich, .....

                        But I know all about this from modern programs !! I listened to stories in transport and in my free time at work, waiting time! It was said that when the destroyers decided to destroy the USSR, they first of all decided to discredit the CPSU. And in Uzbekistan there was the largest party in terms of the number of communists. They began with discrediting her, blaming those at the top and then the rest. Whose plot was it? It is possible that Spitsina. But maybe with Len.ru. The condemnation of the actions of Gdlyan and Ivanov was in this modern broadcast.
                        When I asked those who remember, they said that long before the official announcements, gossip about it spread. I think it was on purpose, the soil was being prepared. There were also gossip about Leningradsky Romanov, discrediting and anecdotes. And the plot was that it was a lie and slander. About gossip my relatives remember
                3. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 4 October 2022 14: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  ..... I also remember the case of the Okean network ..... in the Eliseevsky store. It's all in the 70's...

                  But I heard mentions, but I wasn’t going to read them, my acquaintances somehow don’t remember the details of who lived then
                  1. frog
                    frog 5 October 2022 09: 27
                    +1
                    A significant part of the "details" of the mass of those who lived then simply does not know.
                    It is believed that the director of numero uno was "sent to Canada" for some theft. For this, it was possible to send every second store manager and every second from the state / regional trade. However, as we know, they were not touched with such frequency. It's funny, isn't it?
                    With "Ocean" it's even easier. Even when discussing this "good idea," reasonable people said how it would all end. But who is listening to "dirty cynics"?
                    As for comrade Rashidov and in general .... "southern regions", this began long before the so-called. glasnost and the apophygee of Ogonyok.
                    You can remember Yadgar Sadykovna, a beautiful woman wink Or, say, the most venerable Chairman of the Supreme Court of the Uzbek SSR....
                    It was one of thirty-nine cases investigated by the Prosecutor's Office of the USSR in Uzbekistan...

                    It's the mid-70s, Carl! There is still no Gorbachev to be seen, and the venerable Southeast Asia is still presiding. Remind me what the Union Prosecutor's Office could do?
                    Then in general there were funny times ... No less funny than before.
                    Say, do you know the most wonderful Pavlenko (who became famous with a fake military unit)? And where was the headquarters of his unit? And in Chisinau .... According to rumors, dirty and vile rumors, together with L.I. Brezhnev, then still little known, stood on the same podium during ritual processions .... The arrest warrant for Pavlenko was signed by Tsvigun .... Who then shot himself so unsuccessfully .....
                    There were interesting times .... Whoever didn’t shoot himself .... The first head of the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for example, who commanded a special sniper group of the NKVD troops during the war .....
                    And yes, and then came "Spark" lol
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 5 October 2022 10: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: frog
                      A significant part of the "details" the mass of those who lived then simply do not know ......
                      As for Comrade Rashidov and in general ..... The arrest warrant for Pavlenko was signed by Tsvigun .... Who then shot himself so unsuccessfully .....
                      There were interesting times .... Whoever didn’t shoot himself .... The first head of the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for example, who commanded a special sniper group of the NKVD troops during the war .....
                      And yes, and then came "Spark" lol

                      Thank you for your reply! hi still YES!
                      It was all a long time ago! Mother remembers whispers and gossip about Uzbekistan. Grandfather, she says, liked to discuss in a whisper, and grandmother stopped him. And my mother remembers their conversations somehow ..... and other relatives can’t say anything at all. After all, it turns out that with questions to turn to the previous generation, and it is almost gone. At work, some people remember .... but there is no way to be distracted and talk. Yes, I wrote somewhere about gossip about Uzbekistan. Only he forgot his last name, as, for example, he heard about Sadykova, but forgot his last name. There is a film-series about all those events, those leaders of the USSR. You have to look, before, I felt that I did not understand. Of course, listen to the stories of Spitsin, Prudnikova, Fursov .... It turns out that the speed with which laws and regulations on cooperation appeared under the marked one suggests that all this was developed much earlier. These are explanations, confirmations about the plans for the destruction of the USSR even before the hunchback, just at the same time gossip about Uzbekistan and Romanov, the ground has been preparing for years. There were also talks that someone request then he shot upstairs, whisper, mom and doesn’t remember who, just the 70s ....
                      1. frog
                        frog 5 October 2022 10: 37
                        +1
                        As for me, everything is quite simple. That in hand-to-hand, that in union times no one was steamed by the creation of a single country. Not states, but countries. Loyalty so-called. ilit conditional outskirts stupidly bought. Of course, in different ways, depending on the era, but ......
                        As a result, in ... other places, it was quite possible to imagine ... a new bai, little different from the old one. From which they stretched ... streams into non-rubber. Again, clans at the top go to the bottom. When Comrade Aliyev became .... "the main Azerbaijani", he planted the entire republican trade inspectorate. And everything remained the same, just the clan has changed. But the streams remain. ICHSH, everyone knew about it .......
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 5 October 2022 11: 00
                        0
                        Quote: frog
                        .... Loyalty so-called. ilit conditional outskirts stupidly bought. Well, it's different....

                        And not only the elites, but also the population, remember Ukraine, especially Westerners
                        On the one hand, the problem had to be solved quickly, they did not know any other way. But the fact that this was presented as their achievement, and not help, that the recipients did not appreciate, but ---- hameli, as if it had become the norm. Or prepared so destruction
                        take sovereignty ....

                        Recall Kochetov's novel. He had all the foresight. Everything was accurately described. sixties
                        damn caste
                        .
                      3. frog
                        frog 5 October 2022 11: 38
                        +1
                        And not only the elites, but also the population, remember Ukraine, especially Westerners
                        On the one hand, the problem had to be solved quickly, they did not know any other way.

                        You can remember not only the square))) Practically, all the republics. With different coefficients, essssno. And there were ways, CSH. And famous ones. But why? It's troublesome ... well, and the beneficiaries responded with support during these rat-hamster games. We know the result.
                        The destruction itself began to be prepared much later, not even with the advent of the labeled one .... But his policy, of course, contributed ..
                        And you are wrong about caste. It's not a caste. This is a selection system, when only these people got to the top from one, in general, people. Half, at least, have quite a biography. As a result, this grew out of the proletarian .....
                      4. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 5 October 2022 12: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: frog
                        ..... And you are wrong about the caste. It's not a caste. This is a selection system, when only these people got to the top from one, in general, people. Half, at least, have quite a biography. .....

                        As for the caste --- Joseph Vissarionovich formulated this. The formation of such a caste was also suggested by Trotsky after the Revolution. Stalin about this, so that this would not happen, so that such a caste would not form, he regularly carried out purges of the state apparatus. During the war, they stopped, the caste was formed, social elevators stopped working.
                        mine will not work hard at the factory !!!
                        Of course, someone penetrated like Gorbachev, or rather, someone was pulled out. But for the most part, this nomenklatura was already looking at the West ---
                        what do they have there??? If only we could

                        There were thoughts to save for their children, grandchildren, service dachas, apartments, cars. In my opinion so hi
                      5. frog
                        frog 5 October 2022 13: 07
                        +1
                        Quite to yourself. They just didn’t name the reason for this))) And I won’t be here, otherwise they’ll fill up and start))) There is a desire to communicate - in a personal as much as you like. You can even swear there wink But the problem was not in the Stalinist rotations, the problems had been laid even earlier. But no one began to fight for her decision ....
                      6. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 5 October 2022 13: 27
                        +1
                        I will think over the topic better and write to you then. For me, the post-revolutionary time is very interesting. Optimism and struggle, solidarity. The post-war period and the destruction of the USSR are also important topics, but difficult to understand
                      7. frog
                        frog 5 October 2022 13: 59
                        +1
                        So, let's wait hi We can say - always happy !!))
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 3 October 2022 10: 03
                +4
                Quote: tralflot1832
                They stole with a flourish and enthusiasm.

                I knew one such person, he was the chief accountant of an industrial construction trust. There is half the closet in cash, but the apartment "kopeck piece" is worse than that of a simple hard worker, in the refrigerator there is half a bottle of vodka (on duty), half a loaf and a little cheese, went in an old stucco and a gray suit of a hundred years ago. He was smart, kept his head down, and lived a long time.
                1. Gorygor
                  Gorygor 3 October 2022 16: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  They stole with a flourish and enthusiasm.

                  I knew one such person, he was the chief accountant of an industrial construction trust. There is half the closet in cash, but the apartment "kopeck piece" is worse than that of a simple hard worker, in the refrigerator there is half a bottle of vodka (on duty), half a loaf and a little cheese, went in an old stucco and a gray suit of a hundred years ago. He was smart, kept his head down, and lived a long time.

                  Typical Koreiko ("Golden Calf")
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 3 October 2022 17: 05
                    0
                    Quote from Gorygor
                    Typical Koreiko ("Golden Calf")

                    He accurately noticed, but he probably outdid Koreika, although he was not a miser.
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 3 October 2022 09: 13
              +2
              Quote: Aviator_
              ... stole. But the scale is not current. ....

              Greetings, Sergey! hi When under the USSR there were service dachas and service apartments for the leadership, and service cars that were not inherited, they could not buy a few more apartments or dachas for themselves. Actually, they had nowhere to spend the stolen. Now everything has changed. And spend and withdraw.....
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 3 October 2022 09: 19
                +4
                Hello Dmitry. Until the end of the 80s, the leadership of the institute was provided with a service cottage in the vicinity of the city, and when the term of leadership ended, it moved out to an ordinary apartment in the city. And then it all ended.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 3 October 2022 09: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  ..... the leadership of the institute until the end of the 80s was supplied with a service cottage ...?

                  Then after all there was this distribution in accordance with the position or scientific merit. In this way, one of the 4 small rooms in the country house in Komarovo was provided for my grandmother. This is such a good, difficult summer cottage.
                  .... for a week, before the second, I will leave for Komarovo ....

                  the song is like this.
                  And at this enterprise there were heads of departments, doctors of sciences, with printed works and textbooks. Here, for them, small separate cottages were provided. Wooden.
              2. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 3 October 2022 09: 34
                0
                Now about withdrawing and spending in the west now grief. Now they are mastering the Black Sea coast to the fullest.
            3. your1970
              your1970 3 October 2022 22: 16
              0
              Quote: Aviator_
              So they still stole.
              Yes, they stole. But the scale is not current. It's like stopping bailing out water from a leaky boat - why, because it still pours.

              In China, the current ones don’t stop - despite the executions. So, purely like sanitary felling ... the plan is not lowered, and that’s good ..
            4. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 4 October 2022 14: 00
              +1
              Quote: Aviator_
              .... the scale is not current. It's like stopping bailing water out of a leaky boat......

              Didn't see this comment yesterday, Sergey what What annoys me? Many reproach that the USSR handed out money irretrievably to different poor countries. Which are of no use. Or not poor at all. What now? The impression is that everything that was handed out to countries that allegedly supported the USSR has now been handed out to domestic oligarchs-capitalist-bourgeois. However, and foreign sometimes. To no avail, and sometimes even to the detriment, because they, like pigs, undermine the roots of the oak, on which the acorns they eat grow.
          2. Pereira
            Pereira 3 October 2022 08: 38
            +2
            where are the peacocks?

            The successor took it.
          3. frog
            frog 3 October 2022 08: 49
            +1
            Tyu, we’d stop in Turkestan and Transcaucasia ..... This is about showing off lol
            And the peacocks .... Go, the successor got it, by inheritance feel, as already said above. Well, or they gave it to the zoo. And the director of the zoo sold them to the chief trade .... Stavropol, for example ....
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 3 October 2022 09: 07
              +2
              And the scandal with the Olympic Mercedes Moscow in 1980 was worth something. Write off as having worked out a motor resource in one month. For some reason they ended up in the south.
              1. frog
                frog 3 October 2022 09: 18
                0
                This is clear. It’s worse than that, how the equipment supplied to the 40th army, at one time)) suddenly ended up in various places in the country ..... Before the withdrawal, of course .... And yet not one or even ten copies ....
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 4 October 2022 09: 43
                  0
                  Yes, this equipment, they threw it anywhere ... Whole stacks of armored boxes at the Chirchik station ... storage areas in the steppe, unguarded by anyone ... The system failed!
                  1. frog
                    frog 4 October 2022 10: 32
                    +1
                    I'm not really talking about that. Although this - vaaschsche song. Among some people in those years, Termez-Hairaton was called a black hole)))
                    I'm talking about the fact that a bunch of equipment, according to the papers put behind a ribbon, turned out to be somewhere in Chita or somewhere else .... But according to the papers, all these trucks and other things were sent to the 40th .....
          4. AdAstra
            AdAstra 3 October 2022 11: 42
            0
            The main thing here is that they are fighting, they are shooting, and not from one place to another.
        3. frog
          frog 3 October 2022 08: 48
          +2
          Yes Yes. It was. Over the years of a large assembly line, the Prosecutor General issued 17 resolutions on strengthening the fight against economic crimes. Explain to you what it is, or do it yourself?)) Of course, not a decision wink
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 October 2022 10: 08
          0
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Under the USSR, it was that after a certain amount of their theft ---- execution

          If memory serves, he caused damage to the state (stole) more than 50 rubles - VMN,
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 3 October 2022 10: 19
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            .... caused damage to the state (stole) more than 50 rubles - VMN,

            Isn't it 10? Some small number, like recourse
            And for the purchase and sale of $$$$$ was also strictly. I'll leave now, and then I'll take an interest on the network for sure.
      3. NKT
        NKT 3 October 2022 07: 41
        -6
        What was their fault? The fact that they carried out the order of the NGSH Zhukov, as well as Directives 1, 2 and 3?
        And why are you silent that together with them they took the head of the veterinary laboratory and the head of the military department? Are they also to blame for the collapse of the Western Front?
        1. Sergey Drozdov
          Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 08: 35
          +1
          “By the end of 1952, Stalin already had the summarizing materials of the investigation in his hands. With Stalin’s direct suggestion, the General Staff of our army initiated a detailed survey of the surviving generals about when they actually received the first order to bring the troops entrusted to them on combat readiness for All those who were interviewed clearly pointed to June 18–19, and only the generals from the ZapOVO wrote in black and white that they had not received any instructions on this matter, and some of them even learned about the war from Molotov’s speech in June 12.00 at 22:XNUMX p.m.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 3 October 2022 09: 58
            +3
            ... and only the generals from the ZAPOVO wrote in black and white that they had not received any instructions in this regard, and some of them even learned about the war from Molotov's speech at 12.00 on June 22. "
            .

            These generals saved their skins. For some reason, there were other generals, though the North-Western OVO ..

            Nikolai Alekseevich Dedaev, commander of the 67th Infantry Division.
            As part of the 8th Army of the North-Western Front, from the first days of World War II, he fought with his division against the Nazis on the outskirts of Liepaja.

            As a talented military leader, the day before the start of the war N. Dedayev gave the order to withdraw troops from the barracks for training and disperse them 15-25 km around the city. Thus, the first wave of fascist bombers bombed the empty barracks of the garrison.


            On the third day of the fighting, June 25, General Dedaev, while at the command post of the division, was mortally wounded as a result of artillery fire. On the same day, the retreating soldiers of the Liepaja garrison were buried in a mass grave on the territory of the naval hospital.
        2. frog
          frog 3 October 2022 08: 52
          -2
          Do you propose to shoot Zhukov? But what about the white horse in 1945? Yes, and Zhukov is not the most important. however, about provocations and other prohibitions the day before, he signed .....
    2. Dane
      Dane 3 October 2022 07: 16
      +5
      With complete, not only the lack of clothing, but also something else, for example, missiles will be revealed ..... it will become very sad
      1. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 3 October 2022 07: 45
        +12
        What kind of rockets in FIG!? Take sapper shovels with you! The armor is strong and our tanks are fast? Or are the top weak (greedy) and the money is cut quickly?!
    3. Hanurik
      Hanurik 3 October 2022 07: 30
      +2
      Can I link to the law with the definition of "partial" mobilization? Hello people, wake up already. Self-employed, self-isolation, self-mobilization, now partial mobilization. It’s the Konashenkovs who are lying from the screens, they have such a job, and why are you repeating after them? There is no partial mobilization. Now the first wave of mobilization is taking place, without any partials, whether there will be a second one is still a question. Look up already.
      1. Hey
        Hey 3 October 2022 08: 16
        +7
        Can I link to the law with the definition of "partial" mobilization?

        Federal Law No. 26.02.1997-FZ of February 31, 14.07.2022 (as amended on July XNUMX, XNUMX) "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation"
        Article 1. Basic concepts
        ...
        2. Mobilization in the Russian Federation is understood as a set of measures to transfer the economy of the Russian Federation, the economy of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and the economy of municipalities, the transfer of state authorities, local governments and organizations to work in wartime, the transfer of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops , military formations, bodies and special formations on the organization and composition of wartime.
        Mobilization in the Russian Federation can be general or Partial. The set of measures taken when announcing general or partial mobilization in the Russian Federation is determined in accordance with this Federal Law, regulatory legal acts of the President of the Russian Federation, the Government of the Russian Federation and other regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation.

        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 14.07.2022 N 336-FZ)
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 3 October 2022 11: 44
          +3
          Only here is bad luck in "wartime" laughing
          1. K9_SWAT
            K9_SWAT 3 October 2022 22: 29
            0
            Do you know how to read? Transfer to the organization and composition of wartime. Not in wartime.
            1. frog
              frog 4 October 2022 08: 47
              +1
              I can.
              local governments and organizations to work in wartime conditions

              Do you know how?
              1. AdAstra
                AdAstra 4 October 2022 09: 08
                +1
                We are the only ones who can't read laughing "" "
            2. AdAstra
              AdAstra 4 October 2022 09: 07
              +1
              Does wartime appear out of nowhere, or is it proclaimed through official documents?
              1. frog
                frog 4 October 2022 09: 16
                +1
                Of course. From a loudspeaker. But they don’t care about that, the snake in the pan has other problems)))
        2. kuztoday
          kuztoday 3 October 2022 19: 37
          -4
          Edited in July. We were getting ready. They understood that it was close.
      2. kit88
        kit88 3 October 2022 08: 22
        +7
        Quote: Hanurik
        Hello people, wake up already. There is no partial mobilization.

        Dear Hanurik and six plusers, before you make such loud statements, at least try to understand the subject of the conversation yourself. Don't require a link.
        Open
        Federal Law No. 26.02.1997-FZ of February 31, 14.07.2022 (as amended on July XNUMX, XNUMX) "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation"
        Article 1 paragraph 2 says:
        Mobilization in the Russian Federation can be general or Partial.
      3. frog
        frog 3 October 2022 08: 56
        -3
        You still forgot the "high alert mode" during corona wink . They are, too, although with morbidity and mortality, everything is quite to itself .... And there are many more such notions, because a lot of unpleasant things are written in the laws on emergencies and states of emergency ... As with mobilization. Therefore, a new law was quickly adopted .... In our State Duma, labor productivity is just wow lol
      4. Astra55
        Astra55 3 October 2022 11: 05
        +9
        Quote: Hanurik
        There is no partial mobilization

        Yah!
        Have you tried to open the Federal Law on Mobilization?
        lol
        1. frog
          frog 3 October 2022 18: 19
          -4
          Mobilization in the Russian Federation is understood as a set of measures to transfer the economy of the Russian Federation, the economy of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and the economy of municipalities, the transfer of state authorities, local governments and organizations to work in conditions wartime,

          Well, they opened it... So what? Do we have war time? We have a SVO, those who are dissatisfied - in the UK, they will explain there ....
          1. K9_SWAT
            K9_SWAT 3 October 2022 22: 32
            +1
            Can you read it in full?
            Mobilization in the Russian Federation is understood as a set of measures for the transfer of the economy of the Russian Federation, the economy of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and the economy of municipalities, the transfer of state authorities, local governments and organizations to work in wartime conditions, the transfer of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations, bodies and special formations on the organization and composition of wartime.
            Transfer of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, bodies to the organization and composition of wartime, and not only in wartime.
            1. frog
              frog 4 October 2022 08: 51
              0
              Above your supper Majesty has already answered. But I can do it here, it's easy for me.
              For the especially gifted, if with reading and understanding of the problem - the transfer of the economy and the federation and subjects, state authorities, local governments, organizations to work IN WAR TIME.
              If you still don't understand, see a doctor.
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  5. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 3 October 2022 06: 56
    +3
    Karamzin said that if one were to answer the question: what is being done in Russia, one would have to say: they steal.


    - “Old Notebooks” by P. A. Vyazemsky, 8th volume of the “Complete Works” (1883 edition)
    1. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 3 October 2022 07: 46
      +1
      And who wrote that theft is punished in Russia? winked
  6. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 3 October 2022 06: 57
    +6
    Gurulev is so right, it is necessary to carry out an inventory, and if it is gone, put the perpetrators in jail!
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 07: 25
      +8
      I suspect if they really start to find out there - no matter how much the condrat is not enough from the scale.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 October 2022 07: 31
      -1
      Quote: Saboteur_Navy
      ..... if it's gone, put the guilty in jail!

      Such a punishment am to appoint that the thieves would quickly reimburse everything themselves
    3. Hanurik
      Hanurik 3 October 2022 07: 32
      +8
      An attempt on the life and health of military personnel by a group by prior conspiracy. At least life imprisonment without the right to parole. With mandatory confiscation of property.
      1. Sergey Drozdov
        Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 08: 39
        0
        "A minimum of life imprisonment without the right to parole" is, comrade, the minimum is execution ... without any rights.
        1. kuztoday
          kuztoday 3 October 2022 19: 39
          -2
          Very funny. Ulyukaev has already left. With such a "lifetime" ...
    4. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 3 October 2022 07: 48
      +3
      Why plant? To the front! Remember how they scared about Stalin's penal companies and penal battalions !? Can a fairy tale come true?!
  7. antivirus
    antivirus 3 October 2022 07: 01
    +5
    Already there are no rags.
    What about calibers? And the spindle? And skinny mice run under the floors of the barracks? - howling main question for Greenpeace and deputies.
    No war and no war - different slogans.
    We don't have a war yet.
    A very cautious question was raised by the deputy.
    Window dressing on the podium is better seen than covert mobilization and concentration at the valuki for the assault on Kharkov
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 3 October 2022 07: 49
      0
      Quote: antivirus
      We don't have a war yet.

      This is the main reason. You need to prepare for war. Both materially and spiritually. Neither the first nor the second yet. And in general, it’s amazing, everywhere everyone is chatting, thinking, discussing in telegrams where they plan to strike, where to keep the defense, what is missing, what are the problems, where are the weaknesses, and so on. As if the enemy is an alien race that does not understand human speech at all.



      It’s completely crazy when they rush from “cheers, know ours” to “everything is gone” and back. They don’t fight like that .. Therefore, NWO, not war. But CBO should not be protracted.
      1. Kaufman
        Kaufman 3 October 2022 08: 52
        -1
        He looks like Obama in pince-nez, is that him? Eavesdropping infection
      2. uralex
        uralex 3 October 2022 13: 20
        +3

        The man on the right turned out to be Obama...
  8. Dikson
    Dikson 3 October 2022 07: 02
    +14
    But even before the start of the SVO in Ukraine, some documents on mobilization, acts were adopted .. And the same deputies voted for it, argued .. And that, it never occurred to anyone in the State Duma or the Moscow Region to start inspections and preparations for these decrees adopted by them? It’s a strange situation when no one is responsible for anything .. A little later, I think, indignation will begin about the lack of serviceable bomb shelters .. I’m already silent that there are no such civil defense facilities in new buildings at all .. By the way. one of these days in our city there will be a test of warning systems. And not two minutes. So get ready for change. And yes - who served, also be prepared. The hardest part is just getting started. And it is better to order the uniform and ammunition via the Internet now. And shoes. Better German. And some equipment. Even with Ali Express. If our valiant rear service sold everything, along with honor and conscience.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 3 October 2022 07: 13
      +1
      Our warning system works like a watch, but where to run? Even under the USSR there were never bomb shelters for the whole city, only production personnel were saved, and the basements were so-so shelters .. So, just like in that joke, but don’t confuse it, just with your feet to the explosion.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 3 October 2022 07: 26
        +1
        It's better in my city with this .. - according to city-forming, everything is normal. Well, oddly enough, in some institutions everything is contained, if not in a set, but clean, dry and in order .. Surprising .. for so many years after the collapse of the USSR, there are still responsible people in the management of enterprises .. But of course, this is for all residents and not enough. Yes, and there will be no such task, it seems to me .. - to hide everyone in a bomb shelter .. But in the case of a specific batch, they will definitely fly at us. And more than one product .. So I’m more philosophical about this issue .. It’s better to die with a weapon in your hands than to suffocate in a dark hole ..
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 3 October 2022 07: 48
          +1
          Quote: Dikson
          But in the case of a specific batch, it will definitely fly to us. And more than one product .. So I’m more philosophical about this issue .. It’s better to die with a weapon in your hands than to suffocate in a dark hole ..

          Only after seeing how the warhead falls, one can say - now I have seen EVERYTHING in my life !!!
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 3 October 2022 07: 59
          -6
          For the last 8 years, they have taken up this matter. Constant mobilization exercises of the administrative branch of government, everything is fine with them.
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 3 October 2022 13: 18
          0
          Approximately 40 years ago: in September, air raids began, the bomb shelter was in the basement, everyone huddled up to the door. Get into the house - have time to run out. Komsomolsk, willow region, 3 storey, red brick, "exemplary social town"
      2. Sergey Drozdov
        Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 08: 42
        -2
        And you can do it without mentioning the USSR - sort it out for yourself, and the USSR will somehow manage without you.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 3 October 2022 08: 51
          +4
          And it's not for you to decide, someone "Sergei Drozdov", by the way. I was born and swore an oath to a country that was respected, feared, loved and called the USSR. Therefore, I will do without your instructions what to do. I have the honor!
    2. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 3 October 2022 07: 57
      +6
      About mobilization. We have a lot of majors systematically violate traffic rules. And nothing! Nothing! Maybe it's time to make a point that for a gross or secondary (triple) violation of traffic rules you are obliged to go to the front for three months for each violation! How is that an offer? What about women? There are women like that too. But there is also the work of nurses in hospitals. Three months to endure pots for each violation! Will it go?
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 3 October 2022 08: 40
        +5
        In Kyiv, they raided nightclubs and dragged out more than a thousand conscripts, handed summons to 111 people. Do we do something differently?
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 3 October 2022 08: 45
        -1
        Here is their skill useful: only cowards use the brake pedal! Under fire, high-speed driving skills are in demand.
      3. Disant
        Disant 3 October 2022 08: 55
        +1
        Three months to endure pots for each violation! Will it go?

        she will smear the ram on the walls. doctors will run after her instead of working as overseers?
        and on the "front" the violator will do exactly the same smearing, which will lead to the death of others. and it seems not to blame, everything is ok
    3. ada
      ada 3 October 2022 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      ... And uniforms and ammunition are better ...
      Well, it's probably better, "for comfort" you can, if you have extra time and money, I don't argue. So, these are all echoes of small and local ones, and even there, from the dead and wounded, or simply thrown into action, it goes. For a major war - only a change from the military reserve after the operation for survivors (7-10 days), personal washing is not provided for active operations on a large scale, only for "sedentary" under conditions. And even then, it is planned to collect the abandoned property and "dismantle" the dead and wounded, followed by processing and repair to replenish the stocks of clothing property. I'm not sure what will cost sluggish, I do not see any prerequisites.
      So far, only GDP has gained time, at least 2-3 years, the enemy is frankly not ready for the "second part of the Marlezon ballet", but now there is a clear acceleration for Europe. To hell with her uniform, it infuriates that our bourgeois are yat, and the people don’t push them with forks, no one is preparing on a large scale. Maybe somewhere on the spare there is still a train with "cookies and jam"?
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 4 October 2022 07: 51
        +2
        Well, if you look - life is more expensive than anything ..)) Whether they are superfluous or not .. Of course, I don’t suggest buying night vision devices or teplok for the price of an apartment .. and even those that are simpler cost under three hundred thousand .. But with unloading - anything is better. than with a canvas pouch from the times of the Russian-Japanese?
        1. ada
          ada 4 October 2022 18: 29
          +2
          Of course. I got something like unloading (how should I say it?) "inherited", alteration from a regular life jacket. I had to redo it, but the thing is useful. With equipment and PFD, there are a lot of unfinished or unfinished decisions, which sometimes make your hair stand on end and you want to “attach” someone for admonishment.
          Here, putting a shot magazine into a soft fabric pocket of a vest is a problem, it’s easier to throw it into a bag, but on the straps, this is a dangling garbage, again, a soft valve. Everything dangling and sticking out on a fighter is evil, starting from the unbalanced (front-back) armor protection of the torso and helmets and ending with "sandals". A piece of topographic map cut off by the battalion commander with a knife was worn in his bosom in a plastic bag from alcoholized bread, a field bag was in the car like a small warehouse, and writers, engineers. Curculator - in a pocket sewn for unloading. The equipped RGs sticking out of me personally seized the K and NSh brigades and then, having handed over the confiscated items, buttoned up the collar of my CD to failure, and they were right, because there was an order "not to misbehave" with the RG, to withdraw from the l / s in the PVD to the warehouse in the sight of frequent self-explosions, especially on equipment with hooks. Naturally, with the deterioration of the glassing and for other. in isolation, this fades into the background, but the problem is not solved, and the regular procedure for using the WG is not very good.
          Other issues with PFO. In addition to the customization options, there are also a lot of them. To relieve the need of a fighter equipped and equipped to the fullest, especially in winter? Here, shooting around for nothing, and the stomach gives an inexorable order - well, I’m going to the old trench and ... it starts with a machine gun and unfastening everything. Che, there is no solution for the big valve on the pants, overalls? The stomach does not like the monthly supply of IRP (a thing!) And drinking perchlorinated water, or even worse - any liquid, especially at an elevated temperature of everything around.
          Combination of PPO properties. Here, two of our platoons are watering each other out of line of sight, someone made a video - they show minor injuries from VOG, they laugh. And they are dangerous! Easily cause internal bleeding. How long is the question of combining clothing with protective fabrics and other elements, well, at least from the average calculated fragment? Protection of joints and supporting surfaces?
          This requires a military-scientific solution: "No one fights like this anymore!" (cinematic) wassat
          1. ada
            ada 4 October 2022 19: 24
            +2
            I will add. A luminium spoon is a thing (it was found in the first trench instead of a twisted small Chinese tin), you can have a small stainless steel dining room and the same bowl, mug. A small knife made of good steel, needle cases, electrical tape and scotch tape, twine, some wire, needles and threads (I didn’t have time to go down to the tent to give the promised needle to the soldier, when the whole platoon was already in line behind him wassat ).
            Pharmaceutical castor oil VERY helps with a regular boot for impregnation of threads and seams, leather folds - softens and eliminates creaking, repels water and is very cheap and for a long time. Light fabric slippers or crosses (preferably your own) will not interfere, inexpensive but in size, it’s not a pity to quit, but they’ll kill you - it’s not unprofitable for your family and your family. Now the tyrnenet is full of all sorts of useful tips, you need to approach it differently. It may turn out that it will be possible to meet with all the good brought with you when nothing is needed anymore. wassat
  9. DeGreen
    DeGreen 3 October 2022 07: 04
    +13
    Because everything is stolen. And if before the lieutenants stole, now they steal from the major. In the online store, uniforms and equipment are sold cheaper than cost
    1. Eug
      Eug 3 October 2022 07: 51
      +2
      Hardly cheaper than the cost - rather cheaper than the price of delivery to the Armed Forces. The difference between the cost price and the delivery price is, I'm sure, rather big.
      1. frog
        frog 3 October 2022 09: 05
        0
        Moreover, even before the start of all this den, he knew a couple of sewing shops, "planing" incl. and form. And they sold absolutely calmly and, in general, inexpensively. warriors and others bought the same uniform from them. Therefore, all this tryndezzh, sho the hucksters sell the stolen goods ..... Although, yes, they steal in Russia. Surprisingly. And in the army too. CHSH, in the USSR - they also stole, incl. and in the army. The forms were somewhat different - yes.
    2. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 07: 51
      0
      And the captains and below that - are they embarrassed to pry more?
    3. Sergey Drozdov
      Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 08: 47
      0
      That is, all the appearances are known - both the addresses of the stores, and the "call signs" of the websites of the merchants of the stolen goods - to figure it out - half a day, but here they will initiate a global inventory ... and the result of this "inventory" is known in advance.
    4. Disant
      Disant 3 October 2022 09: 14
      +3
      And if before the lieutenants stole, now they steal from the major.

      what is your evidence that the majors and ensigns plundered everything?
      why are you blaming everyone?
      I think there is more than enough in stock.
      only this is called: overcoats, footcloths, tarpaulin boots, caps, fabric in rolls, helmets forty years ago.
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 October 2022 07: 04
    +15
    The rear services "sacredly honor traditions." They steal. They steal and share. Therefore, the Deputy Minister for Logistics, though a former Hero.
  11. nsws3
    nsws3 3 October 2022 07: 04
    +8
    You need to put an infantry commander in the rear position, then there will be order and availability of everything, but unfortunately the rear services will not allow this, they have this caste! As cynical as it sounds
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 October 2022 07: 12
      +8
      Quote: nsws3
      You need to put an infantry commander in the rear position, then there will be order and availability of everything, but unfortunately the rear services will not allow this, they have this caste!

      A supplier who has served as a supplier for 10 years can be imprisoned without trial! )))
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 3 October 2022 07: 40
        +8
        My classmate graduated from the Volsk Logistics School in the nineties, was fired because he could not maneuver between thieves. He served according to the charter.
        1. Sergey Drozdov
          Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 08: 49
          +1
          And my classmates after the Volsk School all lived very well.
    2. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 3 October 2022 07: 13
      +6
      Quote: nsws3
      An infantry commander should be put in a rear position, then the order and presence of everything will be, but unfortunately the rear will not allow this, they have this caste! As cynical as it sounds

      I remembered from the immortal:

      hi bully
    3. Eug
      Eug 3 October 2022 07: 48
      +7
      No way - the infantry commander does not have a specialized education - neither economic, nor financial, and he did not finish AkaMEDIA in the rear .. but there are a lot of multi-star generals in the Moscow Region ...
    4. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 3 October 2022 08: 12
      +5
      You can plant anyone in the absence of the necessary for mobilization! There is no Bertz, but for 8 thousand there is! Who is selling? Where do you get them on an industrial scale? Why doesn't Kadyrov have such problems? And if you shake the heads of regions to the fifth knee with such problems? Why such a problem? Compensate yourself and your relatives from personal funds? Not fair? And the absence of the prescribed is just? Some were preparing for mobilization, and some for enrichment. What's more important? Mobilization or personal enrichment?
    5. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 3 October 2022 08: 42
      +6
      There was such a captain Kazarsky, the commander of the brig Mercury, after a well-known feat, he began to reveal what was there with the provision in the fleet, being in the emperor's retinue, but unsuccessfully drank coffee in Nikolaev. Nobody has proven anything.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 3 October 2022 14: 25
        +2
        .. And there was also someone Schliemann .. - he sold boots with dyed paper outsoles instead of leather to the Russian army .. - and nothing, he successfully escaped, and then he suddenly dug up Troy and became a famous archaeologist .. And, characteristically, no one did anything either proved..
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 October 2022 07: 09
    +9
    No one is going to explain in any way where the problems with the form come from, with something else?
    They reacted - the Deputy Minister of Defense, General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov, who was in charge of logistics, was removed from his post. Another question - what did they not know about the state of affairs in the logistics support of the RF Armed Forces before? Or, according to the Russian proverb - "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them." Grulev, on the transfer from Solovyov, drew attention to both the shortcomings and the necessary measures to eliminate them.
    1. for
      for 3 October 2022 07: 33
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Deputy Defense Minister General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov, who was in charge of logistics, was removed from his post.

      And he was appointed Minister of Defense of Russia!
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 3 October 2022 07: 36
        +1
        Haven't recovered yet after the weekend? It happens.
  13. To state
    To state 3 October 2022 07: 13
    +8
    Russia is not ready for war. - What's so amazing about that? Has Russia ever been ready for anything? After all, this is her natural state - to be constantly unprepared. Moonsund Valentin Pikul
    1. FoBoss_V
      FoBoss_V 3 October 2022 07: 36
      +3
      My favorite quote from the book, I like to repeat it myself ... More than a hundred years have passed, but nothing has changed
    2. Sergey Drozdov
      Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 08: 58
      +2
      Yes, under the holy passion-bearer Nicholas II the Bloody, they stole notably, especially his relatives Holstein-Gottorp, the "Romanovs", they left only one wooden plow to Joseph Vissarionich ... I still don’t understand - how did he manage to prepare the country and the army for the Great Patriotic War? ..
  14. Russkiyvasya
    Russkiyvasya 3 October 2022 07: 13
    +1
    For money in the military, we have everything.
    1. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 3 October 2022 08: 14
      +4
      And where is this in the military? And why is it not in stock? What is the penalty for being out of stock? Landings? Higher chairs?
  15. uralex
    uralex 3 October 2022 07: 17
    +11
    So they introduced all sorts of markings for tires, fur coats, shoes ... Let them introduce markings for the goods of the Voentorg, maybe then there will be fewer questions "Where do the uniforms go?"
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 07: 20
      +5
      By the way, a very good idea - maybe then it will be easier to track where military products come from to civilian stores.
      1. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 3 October 2022 08: 19
        +2
        Well, then it's easier to keep track of the absence of what is supposed to be in warehouses! In stores, revisions are stable. Is it problematic to audit warehouses? And in stores there is a constant movement of goods! Do we have a problem counting stable products? Sellers consider the product to be constantly sold and replenished, but for storekeepers with a stable product, this is an impossible task, then?
      2. frog
        frog 3 October 2022 09: 08
        0
        Do you really think that all these fitulins prevent stealing? Weird man.....
      3. DenVB
        DenVB 3 October 2022 10: 35
        0
        Quote: Nexcom
        By the way, a very good idea - maybe then it will be easier to track where military products come from to civilian stores.

        Yes, I am 99,9 percent sure that civilian stores buy these military products from manufacturers. They buy what MO did not want to buy.
        1. Burma6
          Burma6 4 October 2022 01: 32
          +3
          Maybe. Around 2008, when I was at university in Switzerland, I worked part-time for an information security company owned by a Russian citizen. It was a small company, and sometimes the boss took us to the mountains with him. When he was drunk, he would tell stories about how he made his fortune. Cousin in Canada, uncle in the rank of colonel. Uncle "bought" at the warehouse, paid those who guarded the warehouse, and sent the material to Belarus. From there - to Finland, from Finland - to Canada. And in Canada, military "surpluses" were sold at a markup of 5000%. Successful import-export business.
          It only ended because my uncle retired. But there are many such uncles, and those who turned a blind eye for a few thousand dollars can also be around. Only at higher ranks.

          Opportunity makes thieves, and many petty thieves can move mountains. And today they are surprised that the mountain has disappeared, although individually they took only a bucket or a few trucks.
  16. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 3 October 2022 07: 20
    +8
    Form, this is probably the last question that needs to be answered, and the first thing that the RF Ministry of Defense should be responsible for is this for the low combat readiness of artillery units that are not capable of quickly and accurately hitting enemy columns and strongholds, for the low combat readiness of tank units that abandon equipment in dozens of pieces, for the lack in our army, the required quantity and quality of various UAVs and various surveillance devices, from reconnaissance tube-type periscopes to thermal imagers.

    There are a lot of questions and it’s time for the RF Ministry of Defense not to prohibit comments in Rutube, but to explain themselves to the people and urgently look for ways to solve these problems.
    1. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 3 October 2022 08: 27
      +3
      Instead of voicing problems and solving them, we are hushing them up and increasing problems! The current system is very inefficient in terms of the overall security, welfare and well-being of society. But it is very highly effective in terms of enriching a narrow circle of people! Breaking socialism they talked about Christianity. But the ideas of Christianity are the ideas of socialism! Man is man's brother and comrade, help your neighbor. Where in Christianity is the class position proclaimed and the mandate to exploit brother brother? Where in Christianity is the mandate to cash in on loan interest?
    2. frog
      frog 3 October 2022 09: 10
      +1
      There are a lot of questions and it’s time for the RF Ministry of Defense not to prohibit comments in Rutube, but to explain themselves to the people and urgently look for ways to solve these problems.

      It’s as if you don’t live in Russia ..... “Explain to the people” ..... “urgently look for solutions” ..... Also say - “From now on, don’t steal anymore”, “Learn military affairs in real way", something else no less delivering .....
    3. Disant
      Disant 3 October 2022 09: 34
      +2
      for the low combat readiness of artillery units that are not capable of quickly and accurately hitting enemy columns and strongholds
      the skills and abilities of the personnel will not be restored for long, but the bullets from the machine gun received from the warehouse and lying flat on the target for a hundred meters - this is the problem.
      who, how many shot from ANY BARREL - this is a problem concerning EVERYTHING. wearable, transportable, self-driving
    4. Disant
      Disant 3 October 2022 10: 21
      -1
      for the low combat readiness of tank units, abandoning equipment in dozens of pieces

      as I see it, the equipment was abandoned either due to a lack of fuel (they could not deliver it or there was nothing to deliver it), or it was out of order and was not evacuated.
      this is a shortage in the NWO zone of repair and evacuation units, spare parts, fuel delivery vehicles, fuel itself.
      a car without a move would hardly have hit the cutting edge
  17. Kim
    Kim 3 October 2022 07: 22
    +3
    but like b. was the situation in the warehouses at the time when he was not a former zamkomtroy of the Southern Military District? or also Was everything good, like everywhere else?
  18. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 3 October 2022 07: 22
    +6
    Has Serdyukov already been shot for undermining the country's defense capability? Oh no, he's the head of the KLA... KLA, Carl!!!
    It's strange that we still have planes!
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 3 October 2022 07: 26
      +2
      Are you hinting at the fact that the planes will begin to disappear?
    2. Eug
      Eug 3 October 2022 07: 43
      +3
      I would say - it is strange that the planes are not yet made of plywood (given the beginning of the business activities of the mentioned comrade ...
      1. frog
        frog 3 October 2022 09: 12
        +1
        Look at the difference in the cost of construction and aviation)))
        Plywood is not an option. wink But it is possible, following the example of the son of the new head, EMNIP, just not to do a damn thing ..... Of course, the means are to be mastered.
    3. DenVB
      DenVB 3 October 2022 10: 39
      +1
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      Has Serdyukov already been shot for undermining the country's defense capability?

      Maybe it's enough to blame Serdyukov already? Ten years since it was taken down. And it is not yet a fact that with the continuation of his reforms it would be worse than now.
      1. frog
        frog 3 October 2022 18: 21
        +1
        But on who? It is not customary to blame those who are active in our country. Now, if he takes it off ..... Then in 30 minutes the same ones will begin to hang all the mongrels on the kuzhugetych. In the meantime, they didn’t take it off - no way lol
  19. St54
    St54 3 October 2022 07: 24
    +6
    Just think, they removed Bulgakov. Barges will not be sent to unload. They will find a warm place. And the new one will say - I'm not in business, what is the demand from me? Everyone stole before me.
  20. jovanni
    jovanni 3 October 2022 07: 26
    +9
    Actually, now not only the military industry should work around the clock, but also the military prosecutor's office ...
  21. Sniper
    Sniper 3 October 2022 07: 26
    +7
    Mr Gurulev! no need to ask uncomfortable questions .. they will be uncomfortable answering
  22. Mazunga
    Mazunga 3 October 2022 07: 27
    +3
    wink deftly put the pussy to the nose and no one is to blame))) it’s generally logical that if there should be something in the warehouse and it’s not there, then it’s something stolen or it wasn’t delivered at all, but it’s just sawing money, not really, many swindlers that in the camps are now soaring more honestly in their lives wassat
  23. Cheburek
    Cheburek 3 October 2022 07: 31
    +1
    Duma members (as in the proverb "they cannot see the forest for two trees") cannot find clothes, and the population cannot find an army, that the first and second disappeared in an unknown direction ... The commentary is my personal opinion.
  24. Eug
    Eug 3 October 2022 07: 40
    +6
    The shape of at least two samples is striking - with a stand-up collar and a turn-down, but in a single camouflage. And judging by the military service of the NM LDNR, which we had in the village, it was sewn with very poor quality threads, I saw pockets on pants with an anguish very often (or they didn’t set bartacks when sewing - which is also not a fountain). Well, there are no questions about the quality of Velcro - it is clear that in a negative sense.
  25. Plowman
    Plowman 3 October 2022 07: 41
    +3
    Apparently, MO is a mess. But the worst thing is when it negatively affects the country and the soldiers. But, no one draws conclusions and gives no explanation. The general is the storyteller Konashenkov (the general is ashamed of the right).
    1. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 3 October 2022 13: 03
      +1
      Quote: Plowman
      Apparently, MO is a mess.

      He, more importantly, is in the prosecutor's office and others.

      And how to get rid of the mess without checks and magic pendals?
  26. Waterways 672
    Waterways 672 3 October 2022 07: 46
    +5
    Somewhere in 2005 there were large-scale gatherings of reservists, the first since the days of the USSR. I was also raked in - Vladimir camps. Everything, one might say, was well organized. They shot a lot, fed well. TV widely covered this case, my wife saw me on Ren-TV in the news. We were given a new camouflage uniform from the warehouse. So, after the training camp, the "partisans" were offered to buy a uniform for personal use, I would not say that it would be expensive. There wasn't much demand, though.
    1. ada
      ada 3 October 2022 21: 01
      +1
      Vashcheta, these fees are far from the first, the system was adjusted earlier. The form for personal use from the HF fund cannot be bought in any way. Some kind of scheme with the provision of fees was very cunning, apparently the left office or the local administration participated in the procurement and sale - they reimbursed the costs. wassat
  27. Dikson
    Dikson 3 October 2022 07: 47
    +5
    .. will foreign countries help us? Well, there, in India, buy turbans, in China - jackets from the times of Mao .. In Iran - slippers .. There is no new form - get the HB from the times of the Great Patriotic War .. Really they sold that one too? In my unit, I remember, for the household work of the warehouse commander, he gave out sapper shovels to the soldiers somehow - with a double-headed eagle stamped and date of manufacture -1914 .. heavy, infection .. And the tree did not rot! .. Here are the rear services that they were .. - they didn’t throw anything away ..
  28. Roman Bubnov
    Roman Bubnov 3 October 2022 07: 48
    +2
    As Nikolai Karamzin said 200 years ago - They steal ...
    So nothing has changed...
  29. Uprun
    Uprun 3 October 2022 07: 55
    +3
    On Friday / Saturday there was a video .... they are mobilized in 1 line, all except one in the same uniform, one in "tatters" of washed out camouflage oversized in sneakers ...., a campaign, only he was staffed - that is the Motherland gave, the rest from the military at their own expense ....... Sadness, before shooting, you need to at least conduct a casting ..., after all, the leading channel .... Has nothing to do with filming with Shoigu, there was video from the periphery ..... There was another training video, about a dozen in berets running, one in sneakers .... Nothing personal - observations from videos of Russian channels ....
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 3 October 2022 08: 36
      -3
      There are no problems with clothes, the problem is with sizes
      1. ada
        ada 3 October 2022 21: 21
        +2
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        There are no problems with clothes, the problem is with sizes

        To establish the provision of clothing and wearables in the USSR, a whole system was created for collecting size and height data, up to the completeness and features of body constitutions by title and predominant nationalities throughout the regions, and similar data were generalized in the Armed Forces, which made it possible to develop and introduce into production the necessary designs of clothes and things, to form a qualitative task for light industry enterprises.
  30. Postcode
    Postcode 3 October 2022 08: 25
    +7
    Gurulev, of course, is handsome, but as the former deputy commander of the district, questions should be asked to him. As for the VKPO, it seems that there are no problems with it, there are nuances with the dimensions. When 45-year-old men are called up for mobilization, for some reason everyone thinks that they wear all 48-52 sizes, well, like 18-year-old conscripts. But in fact, there are more than half of 54+ already. The Internet is replete with videos comparing shoes, ours and Ukrainian. Moreover, Ukrainian shoes are already produced mainly on the territory of Ukraine, and for a soldier, the two most important things are weapons and shoes, everything else, one way or another, can be adapted. Now the war with the witches has begun, a continuous search for the culprits. The question is also for Gurulev - does he, as the deputy commander of the district, know the mobilization plans and deployment plans for his district? Does he know the presence of accumulated stocks in the warehouses of the district, army, divisional and brigade reserves? The amount of equipment and weapons? Or, he wants to say that the district, in accordance with the need, submitted applications, but the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense did not regularly provide them? Do people serve / work in the district warehouses subordinate to whom, Bulgakov, or the commander of the district? According to the combat training plan, each training period begins with a briefing on security measures and combat readiness exercises, on a district scale, this is work and mobilization issues. Classes, drills and exercises are held separately, including with the deployment of PPLS, PPPT. In the course of such classes and exercises, stocks are also checked.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 3 October 2022 08: 34
      -2
      What kind of bear is size 54 wearing?........
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 3 October 2022 08: 57
        +1
        54 is the size of clothes, not shoes ..)) shoes are 47 ..)
      2. frog
        frog 3 October 2022 09: 15
        0
        Young lady, have you seen bears? Well, at least in a cartoon?
        They called a man from work, so he is 58th .... Height - 6.
    2. Clone
      Clone 3 October 2022 12: 55
      0
      Quote from Cap
      Classes, drills and exercises are held separately, including with the deployment of PPLS, PPPT.

      I could be wrong, but I suspect that many current commanders and military leaders do not know what these abbreviations mean ... because they have sunk into oblivion along with the mobilization training conducted in the Union.
      1. Postcode
        Postcode 3 October 2022 13: 06
        +2
        They know, they know ...))) every two years, somewhere in the stadium / sports town or parade ground, at least individual elements are deployed, especially in military schools. And "on paper" once every half a year.
        1. ada
          ada 3 October 2022 20: 48
          0
          "Deploy". Well, where, how, to whom and more often it should be. But, the scale is not the same.
  31. Mint Gingerbread
    Mint Gingerbread 3 October 2022 08: 59
    +3
    it is not clear where 1,5 million sets of uniforms from personnel reception points could have gone.

    They didn't exist at all. They were on paper, not physically. The funds were safely appropriated by various individuals and spent on personal needs. Housing, travel, jewelry, cars, etc. laughing Nothing, the men will buy uniforms for themselves, not small ones. So be it, delivery to the front and cartridges, at the expense of the army laughing
  32. Skipper
    Skipper 3 October 2022 09: 20
    +2
    A classic of the genre - war shows everything and reveals and exposes the essence of everyone.
    1. Amper
      Amper 3 October 2022 15: 02
      +1
      Not MO is obtained, but a kennel! And the GK is a kennel with her. feel
  33. Million
    Million 3 October 2022 09: 22
    +1
    What can I say .. They steal! (C)
    And what's bad: no one is responsible.
  34. Kuziming
    Kuziming 3 October 2022 09: 22
    0
    Of course, I'm stupid, but it seems that in the first place it was worth calling for lieutenants for retraining and opening sergeant schools. And then under them to recruit the rank and file.
    1. Postcode
      Postcode 3 October 2022 10: 01
      -1
      You are not stupid, you just do not have all the information. Firstly, officer training began long before the announcement of mobilization. Secondly, the non-commissioned officers are trained year-round on the scale of a planned call. 1 - 1.5 month training of the mob reserve means not only shooting, throwing grenades, driving ... it also includes specialty classes, that is, classes with sergeants, officers by category, so to speak, individual training.
  35. iouris
    iouris 3 October 2022 11: 33
    0
    "It's kind of... a shame" ("Heart of a Dog" \\ Movie)
    The problem is different: is our light industry capable of producing at least uniforms in sufficient quantities?
    And what does deputy Gurulev do (as a deputy)? (Stop going to talk shows already. The question is more than serious).
  36. CYM
    CYM 3 October 2022 12: 10
    +2
    "Any quartermaster after a year of service can be safely hanged without trial or investigation" (c) allegedly by A.V. Suvorov. Well, now, "hang up is not our method" (c). IMHO To offer mobilized people to buy at their own expense, in three ways, ammunition is already beyond good and evil. am Why is it interesting for "our" command to be confident that units equipped in this way will attack Ukrainian decision-making centers ... fool
  37. Sergey Drozdov
    Sergey Drozdov 3 October 2022 12: 24
    +4
    And why - "urged to explain"? He, on duty as a deputy, must apply to the relevant prosecutor's offices, investigative committees and special services, and initiate a parliamentary investigation...
  38. musorg
    musorg 3 October 2022 12: 29
    +3
    See where and how Bulgakov lives and you will find out where these kits are!
  39. Clone
    Clone 3 October 2022 12: 45
    +2
    Ndaaa ... what a noble indignation! I am sure that one does not need to be a deputy, and even more so a general, in order to determine the starting point for the emergence of problems with clothing allowances for military personnel ... As soon as the "Warrior" appeared on Internet sales, from that moment a question should have arisen from the relevant law enforcement agencies - Where the hell is it from?? How to attach another beautiful "bow" to the parade is the observance of tradition and other historicism ...
    If so, then the arrogant theft in the rear structures has the same "deserved" historical roots. True, in other times, "brilliant green" for marking embezzlers was used much more productively.
  40. Adagka
    Adagka 3 October 2022 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    "It's kind of... a shame" ("Heart of a Dog" \\ Movie)
    The problem is different: is our light industry capable of producing at least uniforms in sufficient quantities?
    And what does deputy Gurulev do (as a deputy)? (Stop going to talk shows already. The question is more than serious).

    the former general himself had a snout in fluff, he got into business himself. and now he sings like a nightingale ....
  41. senima56
    senima56 3 October 2022 13: 13
    -4
    There was still a competent military man who asked the right questions! Hopefully, these questions will not remain unanswered!
  42. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 3 October 2022 13: 48
    +1
    where could 1,5 million sets of uniforms go?

    Well, here everything is clear to everyone: "Everything has already been stolen before us." ©
  43. nordscout
    nordscout 3 October 2022 14: 12
    +5
    Mr Gurulev! Don't you think that you ask at least strange questions as a general? Or did the deputy chair "open your eyes" to what is happening in the rear "bins" of the Armed Forces? Since - as the army - is a "cast" of the society that it is called upon to protect, therefore all the "vices" of this society, the system of existence of this society, are also characteristic of the Armed Forces ... If corruption, banal theft, have become almost "national kind of sport", and "gracious and peppy reports" to leaders at all levels - one of the "business" and mandatory qualities of moving up the career ladder - in the army is the same as in society .... Postscripts, the notorious "tenders with "kickbacks" "allowed" the Rear of the Armed Forces "to receive less or receive property of dubious quality and in an incomplete assortment ... Something like that, General Gurulev! You really don't know? Then -" welcome "to the front line. What is our soldier fighting about, and is it possible to fight successfully in "this. Otherwise, it is certainly more convenient, safer, and, most importantly, "more PR" than to head a working group of the State Duma on restoring (urgent) order in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, so far, in its department T yla ....
  44. Amper
    Amper 3 October 2022 14: 57
    +1
    In addition to the armies of the Russian Federation, LPR, DPR and dill, are there countries where a soldier must collect everything for the journey himself? what
    r / s The second wave and AKMs with BZ will already be bought on the black market of the military industry !? belay
  45. Two
    Two 3 October 2022 15: 17
    +5
    hi Bulgakov is still a fish! I finished the Volskoe rear. Then I hit the right string and then it flooded! The doctor of economic sciences, the hero of Russia, has read ... An ordinary rear rat, like the majority, and he will not answer for anything and never! And there is no one to ask... bully
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 3 October 2022 22: 27
      +1
      He even has a rat face. )) Hero of Russia! Magomed Nurmagomedov and Bulgakov
  46. I_Kov
    I_Kov 3 October 2022 15: 26
    +1
    Quote: North Caucasus
    Actually, MO makes an order for the factory. After the purchase, there should be a report on the availability of the purchased item in stock. And how is it not available if according to the documents it should be there! This is not a store where everything is sold out! You are going fishing. We bought a case of vodka. We've arrived. But there was no vodka! So it turns out! Where did the fishing vodka go?

    Former ensign drank laughing
  47. nordscout
    nordscout 3 October 2022 18: 05
    +1
    General Sivkov K.'s comment is very on topic and to the point: https://youtu.be/_qxBTItCrG0
  48. Konnick
    Konnick 3 October 2022 18: 17
    0
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    Quote: Konnick
    And these "bras" are purely fashionable show-offs.

    Sometimes, as I understand it, this is additional protection.

    Try to crawl along the plastunsky, immediately the "breast" will interfere.
  49. ucomrade
    ucomrade 3 October 2022 20: 58
    -1
    There can be many options, and some can stretch for 10 years of an exciting vacation. And in general it can be like this:
    1) It's just a lie, there are no problems with the form.
    2) There is a problem with the form, because more people participated in the SVO than a person should.
    3) With the form of the problem, but not because of the number of people, but because it needs to be changed more often than in peacetime.
    4) There are no problems with the form. It was issued to 1 million mobilized fighters, and soon every Ukrainian from Liman to Sambir will be able to see the uniform. As well as boots, a machine gun and a polite smile.
    5) Options?
  50. Glagol1
    Glagol1 3 October 2022 21: 25
    +1
    Everything is already stolen, before us. G.Vitsin
    The scale of the disaster has yet to be realized. Winter is coming, the ukrovermacht will receive winter roads from all NATO, and our soldiers from whom ?!
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 3 October 2022 22: 34
      +1
      Where - from where. Therefore, as always, there will be "warm things for the front."
      What can I say - in buying up (in one sanatorium city, I won’t say which one)
      a mountain of bayonet-knives, black, in oil, with numbers.
      I gave such a fisherman to a friend - to jam pike perch in a boat.