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German Defense Minister: Armed Forces of Ukraine have achieved success in Liman, but this is definitely not a turning point

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German Defense Minister: Armed Forces of Ukraine have achieved success in Liman, but this is definitely not a turning point

German Defense Minister Christina Lambrecht commented on the capture of the city of Liman (Krasny Liman) by Ukrainian troops. Recall that the Ukrainian troops carried out assault operations in this direction for several weeks, suffered significant losses, and ultimately took this city.


Of course, this is a significant loss for the allied forces, which was not spoken about, perhaps, by the laziest.

Commenting on the situation at the front, the German Defense Minister announced the serious success of the Ukrainian troops in Krasny Liman. At the same time, the head of the German military department, in an interview with ARD, said that this success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "does not radically change the course of the war."

From the words of Christina Lambrecht:

Of course, this is a success, one cannot but give it its due. But this is by no means a turning point. It is important to continue training Ukrainian soldiers, including with an eye to the future. Unfortunately, we have to state that this war will continue not for weeks, but for months.

Earlier, Russian military commander Alexander Sladkov voiced his vision of the situation, noting almost all the miscalculations of the allied forces, including the command in the Krasny Liman area. According to him, one of the key disadvantages is the lack of coordination between the various units in the field. An old problem, on the solution of which a lot depends. Another problem that needs to be addressed is associated with pseudo-positive reports from commanders who are afraid to tell the truth to their superiors.

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  1. opuonmed
    opuonmed 2 October 2022 19: 09
    +22
    It's time to destroy the rear of the APU and infrastructure ukrrr! not singly but methodically !!!
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 2 October 2022 19: 34
        -18
        You ! Signed up as a volunteer?
        Motherland Calls!!! Hurry, give birth...
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 2 October 2022 19: 37
          +7
          You ! Signed up as a volunteer? Motherland Calls!!! Hurry, give birth...
          Are we already recruiting volunteers in the General Staff? laughing
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 2 October 2022 19: 50
            -1
            It's a pity they deleted the post of the citizen to whom I applied ... wink So my post would be clear ... It was irony, sarcasm, trolling ....
            1. Zakirov Damir
              Zakirov Damir 2 October 2022 20: 21
              -6
              Quote: 30 vis
              It's a pity they deleted the post of the citizen to whom I applied ... wink So my post would be clear ... It was irony, sarcasm, trolling ....

              And you repeat your post!
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 2 October 2022 21: 57
                -1
                See above . I answered the gentleman, whose post was deleted by the moderator ..
          2. Sergey Kirakosyan
            Sergey Kirakosyan 2 October 2022 21: 17
            +2
            Such volunteers are also recruited, not only mobilized.
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 2 October 2022 21: 55
              +1
              Such volunteers are also recruited, not only mobilized.
              To the General Staff? Have you admitted your own worthlessness?
        2. Rustic i ......
          Rustic i ...... 2 October 2022 20: 15
          +1
          You are the enemy! Someday they will.
          After this comment, I got this response:-
          - "The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information."
          And who is the administration of the site.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 October 2022 20: 27
            0
            Quote: Village I ......
            After this remark, I received the following response: -
            - "The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information."
            And who is the administration of the site.

            This is a robotic machine.
            1. poquello
              poquello 2 October 2022 20: 35
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Village I ......
              After this remark, I received the following response: -
              - "The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information."
              And who is the administration of the site.

              This is a robotic machine.

              )
              1. poquello
                poquello 2 October 2022 20: 36
                0
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Village I ......
                After this remark, I received the following response: -
                - "The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information."
                And who is the administration of the site.

                This is a robotic machine.

                )

                the robot is turned off)
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 October 2022 20: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: poquello
                  the robot is turned off)

                  No, they didn't turn it off. Quoting gives the same big bunch of bukoff, at which it turns off automatically. IMHO.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 2 October 2022 21: 00
                    +3
                    ) rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
                    yes, indeed, I probably swore at quoting the picture, it was the case, but along the way a bunch of "p" carries a semantic load))))
                    1. dauria
                      dauria 2 October 2022 22: 21
                      +9
                      111111111111111111111111111111
                      Less than 30 characters is considered "nonsense" by the program.
                      according to local IT specialists, the phrase "Brevity is the sister of talent"
                      does not carry information.
                      1. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 3 October 2022 00: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: dauria
                        111111111111111111111111111111
                        Less than 30 characters is considered "nonsense" by the program.
                        according to local IT specialists, the phrase "Brevity is the sister of talent"
                        does not carry information.

                        I don’t know, Alexey, a special person sits there and counts symbols, or the robot determines what is informative and what is not, but I had a comment in the form of a “picture for picture” answer, without text.

                        But here we have a quite sensible interlocutor, comments to whose words this "someone" stubbornly did not want to miss, complaining about obscene language. Until I thought of removing his nickname from the quote. The fact is that in his nickname, if you pull out everything from the depths of the subconscious. its perversity, you can consider the English spelling of the word "ass". Although I, for example, did not see it until the robot bothered me with messages about "text inadmissibility".
                        I told him in a personal, he replied that I was not the first.

                        Your deeds are wonderful my gosh robot censor...
        3. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 2 October 2022 23: 30
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis
          You ! Signed up as a volunteer?

          Such posters called the people to the people's war, the people's state. That state no longer exists. And the capitalist states are waging wars not of the people, but with the involvement of a mercenary army ... our trouble is that our enemy is an order of magnitude more capitalist ... although we will still stretch the Ukrainian company, but what next, that is the question.
          1. Procopius Nesterov
            Procopius Nesterov 3 October 2022 04: 11
            -5
            It is clear to you that there is no concept of the Motherland, the Communists. If the system does not suit you, then you can dominate? Type Vlasov justified the fact that they do not like the Soviet system. I see no difference from your rhetoric.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 2 October 2022 19: 38
        -9
        I think they are being pulled into the fields with a specialist. Where there is no dense building ... for the weather. Yes, and the information field is such, it helps to swallow the bait to the anus.
        1. poquello
          poquello 2 October 2022 20: 38
          +3
          Quote: Alex Nevs
          I think they are being pulled into the fields with a specialist. Where there is no dense building ... for the weather. Yes, and the information field is such, it helps to swallow the bait to the anus.

          the place is good, everything would be fine if there were no good places before
    2. leks
      leks 2 October 2022 19: 47
      +6
      Quote: opuonmed
      It's time to destroy the rear of the APU and infrastructure ukrrr! not singly but methodically !!!

      Well, everyone and sundry has been writing about this since May, but things are still there.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 2 October 2022 21: 09
        0
        Quote: leks
        Quote: opuonmed
        It's time to destroy the rear of the APU and infrastructure ukrrr! not singly but methodically !!!

        Well, everyone and sundry has been writing about this since May, but things are still there.

        What since May? Since the beginning of March.
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 3 October 2022 01: 38
        0
        Quote: leks
        Well, everyone and sundry has been writing about this since May, but things are still there.

        Enough detail about where things are and why:
        1. Rustic i ......
          Rustic i ...... 5 October 2022 12: 44
          0
          " And nothing has changed." - Probably the horse is lame or sick. Can it be replaced?
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2022 17: 46
            0
            Quote: Village I ......
            " And nothing has changed." - Probably the horse is lame or sick. Can it be replaced?

            Capitalist bastard.
            Socialist - the one that was better carried in "galoshes". yes
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 3 October 2022 03: 43
        +1
        And where do you think they launched a couple of thousand high-precision missiles and continue to thrash them?
        Almost destroyed the industry of Ukraine. Any factory, workshop capable of not only producing, repairing military equipment.
        But the fact that the Ukrainians are moving forward is surprising. Where is our command? Judging by Sladkov's video, the confusion is terrible and the drivers are to blame for this. They missed the concentration of Ukrainian troops, where is our intelligence????????????? Why is there no such consistency as that of the ukrov, listen for about 8 minutes, he makes a fairly high-quality analysis of the events and tactics of the ukrov.
        It seems that our leaders have some kind of non-serious attitude towards the war. Wow, let's throw our hats on!!! Defense is handled carelessly.
        The result is that the front is broken by 30 km !!! How could this happen??? You look at the chest of the same generals of the order and there is nowhere to hang the medals, you need to make inserts on the tunic.
        1. leks
          leks 3 October 2022 06: 08
          0
          Almost destroyed the industry of Ukraine. Any factory, workshop capable of not only producing, repairing military equipment.

          They also forgot to add that all air defense, all aviation, all oil refineries, all draft substations were destroyed. But at the same time, electric locomotives both went and go, how oil refineries work, they work, how air defense works and works, aviation no longer hesitates to work out missile and bomb strikes against our troops. Equipment is quietly repaired in the rear. The mobilized are trained by foreigners at rear bases in western Ukraine. Airfields also work without problems. Come down from heaven and take off your rose-colored glasses.
      4. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 3 October 2022 04: 20
        +1
        Well, everyone has been writing about this since May, and it’s still there
        How?! Do they really not read what we write to them in the General Staff of the Moscow Region?! Then it is clear where they have miscalculations! .. am
        1. Emergency
          Emergency 3 October 2022 07: 09
          0
          In general, I am surprised how strategists have not yet been pulled off the VO and seated at headquarters at all levels.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 2 October 2022 20: 17
      +1
      Opionmed - this all belongs to the "fraternal people, and also to the" Kremlin partners "the word that the supreme one invented, in short, this is a taboo for even thinking, let alone damaging infrastructure. .
  2. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 2 October 2022 19: 10
    +10
    A lost battle is not a lost war. This is true. But the conclusions, I hope there will be plans. In general, there will be no victory without local defeats
    1. lets-true
      lets-true 2 October 2022 19: 21
      -1
      Blessed are those who believe. The month was for conclusions. The exhaust is not visible, or rather the exhaust is only from our equipment retreating to the east.
      An army of rams led by a lion will always triumph over an army of lions led by a ram
    2. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 2 October 2022 19: 40
      +4
      But the conclusions, I hope there will be plans.
      Don't rely on anyone to do them.
    3. chingachguc
      chingachguc 2 October 2022 20: 10
      +2
      If you prepare correctly and move professionals forward, not ass-lickers, victory without defeat will be certain
    4. Magog_
      Magog_ 2 October 2022 20: 54
      -1
      Lost battle
      This idea is constantly revolving around the "lost war". Did Nazi Germany lose the war? Yes. And the Soviet Union? A thoughtful interlocutor will immediately ask: depending on what goals the USSR had before the war? ... Also in relation to the battle: what were the goals? To bleed the enemy, to force them to advance and suffer unacceptable losses, finally, we often hear the word "grind" the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. What are the best conditions to do this? What is the conclusion?
  3. Foundling
    Foundling 2 October 2022 19: 11
    -8
    Is this some kind of prominent military figure, since her words are published here?
    1. New-pechkin
      New-pechkin 2 October 2022 19: 15
      +8
      German Defense Minister, what's the problem.
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 2 October 2022 19: 27
        -2
        The Minister of Defense in the EU is a civilian official who does not have a higher military education and deals with the administrative and financial issues of the army
        1. faiver
          faiver 2 October 2022 19: 41
          +15
          Why are our ministers better, can you tell me?
          1. Lex_is
            Lex_is 2 October 2022 19: 54
            0
            Nothing.
            Functional responsibilities are the same, there are no requirements for service experience either.

            I do not understand why you think that the minister should be a strategist and tactician? This is the administrator.
            1. faiver
              faiver 2 October 2022 20: 14
              +5
              I do not understand why you think that the minister should be a strategist and tactician? This is the administrator.
              - this is the reason for all our troubles - ministries and departments are ruled by non-professionals - administrators / accountants, from the change of which, and sometimes their absence, nothing changes
              1. Lex_is
                Lex_is 2 October 2022 21: 29
                -1
                Again.
                A minister must be a professional administrator, what is incomprehensible about that?

                The minister deals with budget planning, legal issues, relations with the military-industrial complex, contracts for the purchase of weapons, logistics, construction, representative functions.

                Which of these do they teach at the General Staff Academy?
                How should a person with three military formations acquire this knowledge if no one has ever given it to him and he has been busy with other issues all his life?
                1. kamakama
                  kamakama 2 October 2022 23: 17
                  +1
                  This is precisely the main task of the General Staff - administration, only military operations. Where, how many people to deliver, how many echelons are needed and time for this, what is the period and front for deploying the specified number of divisions in the declared direction, how many logistics companies are needed to serve the offensive, and so on and so forth. THIS is the ROUTINE work of the General Staff officers - pure administration. And the Ministry of Defense deals with the administration of money, and not with this one. And while the time is peaceful, the functions of the Ministry of Defense as a whole are enough for visible work, but as it becomes military, the difference is clearly visible
        2. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 2 October 2022 19: 44
          +4
          The Minister of Defense in the EU is a civilian official who does not have a higher military education.
          We have a similar situation.
        3. Chronos
          Chronos 2 October 2022 19: 53
          0
          Quote: Lex_is
          The Minister of Defense in the EU is a civilian official who does not have a higher military education and deals with the administrative and financial issues of the army

          Presumably, she is not just saying that, but after reading the reports of her analysts and military intelligence. So her opinion is significant, but it is not the ultimate truth of course.
          1. Lex_is
            Lex_is 2 October 2022 20: 06
            +2
            Naturally, memoranda with conclusions are being prepared for her.
            But it is unlikely that she understands what exactly is written there, which is why it is reduced to success, but has no operational significance.
            So I don’t even doubt that the analysts of the Bundeswehr described for a long time and in detail the subsequent frontiers, their prospects, forces, time frames, etc.
        4. lis-ik
          lis-ik 2 October 2022 21: 10
          +4
          Quote: Lex_is
          The Minister of Defense in the EU is a civilian official who does not have a higher military education and deals with the administrative and financial issues of the army

          We have exactly the same, only likes everything shiny and big caps.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 3 October 2022 00: 37
            0
            Quote: lis-ik
            big caps

            No, Sergei. With caps, it's the other way around. Under today's minister, the fashion for caps has just gone in the opposite direction. It was under Pasha-Mercedes and in the last years of the USSR that a helicopter could be put on a cap. And now in vogue "nahlobuchki", which were worn in the tsarist army.


            In the second half of the 80s, our political officer, transferred to us from the infantry, said that not a single Charter specifies the height of the crown and the number of square centimeters of the top. That's why they sewed "airfields" with lacquer visors in the atelier, whoever is in what much.
        5. culinary
          culinary 2 October 2022 21: 49
          +5
          Quote: Lex_is
          The Minister of Defense in the EU is a civilian official who does not have a higher military education and deals with the administrative and financial issues of the army

          One on one with the mummers in Russia.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 October 2022 19: 44
      +2
      Quote: Foundling
      Is this some kind of prominent military figure, since her words are published here?

      Someone tells her not to go to her grandmother.
      1. Foundling
        Foundling 2 October 2022 20: 03
        -6
        Ya-ya Voldemar! Keep destroying NATO. Not funny and heartbreaking
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 October 2022 20: 22
          +7
          Quote: Foundling
          Keep destroying NATO. Not funny and heartbreaking

          Fortunately for us, NATO does not come to war yet.
          1. Foundling
            Foundling 2 October 2022 20: 34
            -1
            I'm being ironic if anything. Fortunately, they also didn’t push commercial quantities of heavy.
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 2 October 2022 19: 13
    +3
    It is important to continue training Ukrainian soldiers, including with an eye to the future.

    I wonder how many Ukrainian soldiers she expects? Or are all mercenaries registered in the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 3 October 2022 00: 44
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Or are all mercenaries registered in the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

      Why write them down? He slapped a chevron on the Velcro - and a ready-made fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      There was a conversation here that if the West gives Ukraine "F-any" planes, then there will be no one to fly them, because a pilot cannot be trained in a week. So then I remember one comment that the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be equipped with pilots in a few minutes. And they will shoot down and take him alive - so there are no documents and it’s just not clear who it is and how he ended up on the plane.
  5. Alexander Betonkin
    Alexander Betonkin 2 October 2022 19: 17
    +3
    «Those who are responsible for the aggression must feel the personal consequences, for example, that they can no longer go to the Champs-Elysées in Paris to shop.” - she proposed such sanctions at the end of 21 years. Interestingly, in her concept there are herds behind tickets to Paris? Especially for shopping. bully
  6. Wesker gorlovka
    Wesker gorlovka 2 October 2022 19: 18
    -2
    What should I do now. Gorlovka will not be handed over?
    I'm not afraid for myself. Children, wife. They will burst into the city, they will start shooting right and left.
    1. Pharmacist
      Pharmacist 2 October 2022 19: 23
      -1
      What is panic? In fact, we are advancing there, the density of troops is high, it’s not like jumping through the Kharkov forests. Or is this a throwaway?
      1. Wesker gorlovka
        Wesker gorlovka 2 October 2022 19: 26
        +3
        What kind of stuffing? I live here.
        What offensive?
        I live here and I know what's going on here.
        1. New-pechkin
          New-pechkin 2 October 2022 19: 52
          +2
          I live here and I know what's going on here.
          So tell us and we will read how you see it.
    2. Rusik.S
      Rusik.S 2 October 2022 19: 44
      +3
      If there are relatives in Russia, it is better to send them to them. Is it a little...
  7. Wesker gorlovka
    Wesker gorlovka 2 October 2022 19: 20
    +2
    Oh my God. We are near Kharkov, we will not surrender our territories.
    We will not surrender Kupyansk.
    We will not give up Liman.
    Don't give up the throat too?
    1. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 2 October 2022 19: 50
      -3
      The analogy given by you, of course, does not cause a positive, but we must hope for the best. They won't give up.
    2. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 2 October 2022 19: 52
      -1
      Don't give up the throat too?
      We definitely won't give up. We do not leave our Z.
      1. impostor
        impostor 2 October 2022 20: 02
        -1
        Definitely not giving up

        Why is Sladkov talking about the lack of fortified areas in Liman? Perhaps for the reason that Sasha Zakharchenko was a miner. He would prioritize fortification. And in the current state of affairs, it is clear what is more important ...
  8. Silver99
    Silver99 2 October 2022 19: 24
    +8
    By the way, a vile little thought also crept into me, like Sladkov’s, but does the Supreme Commander know the real state of affairs at the front? One hope is that the 7th is coming and, as usual, according to the old tradition at a picnic somewhere in the taiga, the Ministry of Defense will still tell him, otherwise I can’t explain the inaction, some kind of hopelessness reigns around, everyone hopes for 40-50 year old men from the reserve, but I am afraid that having fallen under the command of the current "planners" of the NWO, they will have a hard time, the regular army has been formed for years.
    1. GeneralShahimatovich
      GeneralShahimatovich 2 October 2022 19: 29
      +7
      Yes, the Supreme himself lives in his little world.
    2. Lex_is
      Lex_is 2 October 2022 20: 13
      +2
      Forget everything, then you have read and will read Konoshenko's reports in order for 2-3 months.
      What is your impression of the situation at the front?
      Konoshenko does not read this from his head, but from the reports that the General Staff issues.
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 October 2022 21: 23
      +3
      Quote from Silver99
      everyone hopes for 40-50 year old men from the reserve, but I am afraid that, having fallen under the command of the current "planners" of the NWO, they will have a hard time, the regular army has been formed for years

      It raises another concern. What motivation can these men have now, after Putin's godfather's chic exchange and mediocre drain of hard-won territories? With a complete disregard for the situation by the guarantor, I do not believe that he does not know the true state of affairs.
  9. Alexander Betonkin
    Alexander Betonkin 2 October 2022 19: 24
    +1
    Lambrecht posed near the military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a bulletproof vest, while the people around her did not have any protective equipment. This was stated by readers of the publication Die Welt.
    [media=https://t.me/stranaua/67263]
  10. Sniper
    Sniper 2 October 2022 19: 29
    +7
    Do not count your chickens before they are hatched..
    Well, organizational conclusions should follow from GDP.
    We must part with some "parquet" generals! we need officers who value the soldier, and their honor!
    1. Chronos
      Chronos 2 October 2022 20: 03
      +3
      Quote: Sniper
      Do not count your chickens before they are hatched..
      Well, organizational conclusions should follow from GDP.
      We must part with some "parquet" generals! we need officers who value the soldier, and their honor!

      So they part. There is no longer Chuiko, the attacker on Kyiv, there is no Zhuravlev, the attacker of Kharkov, there is no Dvornikov. Now Lapin's career seems to have ended quietly. Sychevoi and Zusko were removed after the Kharkov drape. They removed Bulgakov's chief rear officer. I would venture to suggest that Gerasimov will soon be removed. But people write correctly: do we have a general about whom you can say where he is, is there always a victory? Now the Vostok group has problems. And Muradov was considered almost the best general of the SVO. And he is from the young, 49 years old.
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 2 October 2022 21: 07
        -1
        On Lapin hitting a strange. For shoals of the ZVO they ask from the Central Military District.
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 2 October 2022 21: 29
          +1
          Quote: Sorrow
          On Lapin hitting a strange. For shoals of the ZVO they ask from the Central Military District.

          IMHO, Gerasimov is being brought down through Lapin, they want to promote Surovikin. But even the sun has spots, and Lapin is far from the sun. And there are a lot of questions for him and without jambs ZVO. And what to say, if everything is decided. Someone had to answer for the failure.
      2. Tatyana Makarova
        Tatyana Makarova 3 October 2022 12: 22
        -1
        And Dyumin? He, of course, is in his own kind of place, but he’s not the “last man” either
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 2 October 2022 19: 31
    -5
    Hey! All-weeders! Stigmatize her! After all, there fseprapala!!!
    1. Yura
      Yura 2 October 2022 19: 55
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      Hey! All-weeders! Stigmatize her! After all, there fseprapala!!!

      They have not yet decided where to brand her so that she understands everything correctly. Some kind of ambiguous post turned out for me, I myself don’t understand what’s the matter here and what’s wrong.)))
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 2 October 2022 20: 06
        -5
        Quote: Jura
        I don't understand what's going on here and what's wrong.

        There are no words "etaputenvinavat", without them it's not shield - no spell works)
        1. Yura
          Yura 2 October 2022 20: 17
          -2
          Yeah, it’s understandable, without this word she doesn’t give .... in the sense of stigmatizing her.)))
  12. Roust
    Roust 2 October 2022 19: 33
    +3
    They still lack the blood of the Slavs. As long as the Saxons are alive, there is no peace on the planet.
  13. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 2 October 2022 19: 35
    -5
    Bliiin. Well, it's really funny. Ursula, on the other hand, is a gynecologist, she knows how to poke around, extract and throw it away. And her face makes it look like she is fumbling in the economy .. Although the photo is also the same. It's like a baker sharpening bolts. There they put such weakened intellect as a specialist.
    1. Man from afar
      Man from afar 2 October 2022 19: 49
      -3
      as a gynecologist, she is well versed in what the ruin is slowly covering.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 3 October 2022 09: 01
        0
        There are more horses here laughing . Minus. Let us tsipso on one side. Hey tsipsoshniks, 4 Regions! you are at a disadvantage.
  14. Mister who
    Mister who 2 October 2022 19: 35
    +5
    First of all, you need to work on the speed of response, the only enemy
    moved - the answer is already flying, this is the most important thing. The coherence of different branches of the armed forces, primarily with aviation. And finally connect heavy bombers.
  15. Boycott
    Boycott 2 October 2022 19: 39
    +4
    I don’t understand, all of ours are under sanctions, and not allowed to travel abroad. Why are the leaders of the NATO countries, which are practically at war with Russia, calmly hanging out over the territory reached by our VKS? How long, I ask MO!
    1. Zefr
      Zefr 2 October 2022 23: 41
      0
      The leadership, on both sides, almost certainly knows each other personally, and cheered, and met at summits. These are soldiers fighting, and this is still smiling at each other after the war, signing memorandums
  16. Fizik13
    Fizik13 2 October 2022 19: 42
    -3
    Every day, in the West, the next transformers, sorry transgenders, or whatever they are - homosexuals and lesbians, in short, the stench comes from across the ocean.
  17. Bogalex
    Bogalex 2 October 2022 19: 43
    +7
    Ukrainian troops carried out assault operations in this direction for several weeks, suffered significant losses, and ultimately took this city

    Yeah, and "on the way" in these "several weeks" they somehow took Balakleya, Izyum, Kupyansk, Yampol and much, much more, although for some reason they stormed Liman exclusively and suffered, no doubt, breathtaking losses . As with taking all of the above settlements.
    Judging by the numbers of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced by the Ministry of Defense, the following settlements will be stormed mainly by women and secondary school students. And, b "No% b, because again they will succeed!
    What's happening? When will they stop lying to us?
    1. Man from afar
      Man from afar 2 October 2022 19: 54
      +4
      Never. This is not our game and we have to be happy with the crumbs that are thrown from the table. And those figures that show from its height. The sprout and the thickness of the wallet did not come out for the truth.
    2. Chronos
      Chronos 2 October 2022 20: 06
      -2
      Liman was stormed for three weeks. And indeed they suffered losses. Everything else went down really fast.
  18. Mister who
    Mister who 2 October 2022 19: 53
    +5
    If we compare a storm in the desert and the same Serbia, here the impression is made of a long game, most likely a contractual game - the limits of the game were agreed in advance, due to not decisive actions. The simplest of which are the decapitation of the commanding staff and strikes on the main infrastructure. This is 100% a scam. Contractual. Or gross incompetence
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 October 2022 21: 27
      +3
      Quote: Mister Who
      This is 100% a scam. Contractual.

      Definitely, otherwise it's just kind of surreal.
  19. Anyuta Glorious
    Anyuta Glorious 2 October 2022 19: 55
    +5
    If they captured Kyiv, this is exactly what we were all waiting for. In the worst case for Russia, the war would have lasted another month - individual units and "partisans" would have had to be finished off. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be deprived of the main thing - centralized control, prompt receipt of information, normal logistics. This always leads to chaos, panic and mass surrender - as was the case with the Soviet army in the summer of 1941, when the Germans in the very first days of the war carried out almost all headquarters, communications centers, transport hubs (large railway stations and terminals).
    But the order not to storm Kyiv was clearly given by the commander-in-chief of the GDP. He decided to take the enemy purely on a show off and persuade him to an honorable "surrender" while maintaining the "dignity" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which he called on to "take power into their own hands."
    They got hit on the ears, which is just shameful. Not from Ukrainians, no. From the Americans, who are in charge of all the main operations of the Ukrainian army.
    1. agoran
      agoran 2 October 2022 20: 18
      +1
      No, this is a miscalculation by our analysts.
      It's a long story, and it's not interesting, there's a lot of things.
      In a simple way: planning from our General Staff is crap.
      Operations planning: crap.
      They screwed up the defense, so where is the shitty general staff?
      1. Anyuta Glorious
        Anyuta Glorious 2 October 2022 22: 32
        +2
        It is possible that not fools are sitting in the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, but careerists and bastards who cannot object to the GDP, especially with the consequence of resigning, as was customary before among responsible people with notions of honor. A careerist official does not need such objections that could put an end to his career. Thus, professional generals do not mind obvious nonsense, and VVP and Shoigu do not understand anything in military affairs, since they do not have professional education in this area.
        And GDP builds Russia's foreign policy in exactly this way - it lags far behind the locomotive of history, GDP does not foresee anything, but runs after this locomotive. His admirers love to remember his famous Munich speech on security principles. So what, what did it give Russia in practice - this speech and understanding of the foundations of world security? Absolutely nothing in foreign policy.
        Judging by the stories about Prigozhin, he also recruited criminals into his Wagner 7 years ago, so he has no backlog)) But I’m not sure that it’s generally a good idea from a military point of view to send criminals to war, although from the point of view to give them a harsh chance at redemption is possible. At the same time, I wonder if Prigozhin understands the nonsense of the General Staff and supports Kadyrov's criticism of the unnamed military leadership. And why are neither Prigozhin nor Kadyrov still able to explain to the GDP that it is necessary to fight without looking back at foreign policy? Because the GDP is categorically on its own mind in this matter? .. Well, it can be like that - he rested his horn on some of his thoughts and does not accept criticism. He also had two half-witted friends serving as prime ministers for 14 years - one nicknamed "Misha two percent", the second nicknamed "No money, but you hold on." This is to how GDP has with the selection of personnel for the most responsible positions.
    2. Lex_is
      Lex_is 2 October 2022 20: 21
      +2
      If they were smart enough to drive the BTG that were there straight to Kyiv, they would have been burned clean there in a maximum of a week. There, the whole grouping would hardly have been enough, it's a huge city that was packed with anti-tank weapons.
      1. skeptick2
        skeptick2 2 October 2022 21: 40
        +3
        Amazing logic. Without objections.
        But causing one single question - why was it then to go to Kyiv at all? These BTGs? Planning an operation in Gostomel? Take Bucha? What for? What was the point then?
        Did someone tell the guarantor that there was only bread and salt and flowers ahead? And other goodies? Did the guarantor believe?
        Then questions already to the guarantor. Just a little different.
        1. Lex_is
          Lex_is 2 October 2022 21: 52
          +2
          Science does not know this.
          We planned something, agreed with someone.
          Someone, as usual, took the money and threw it.
          Who knows him now?

          There the first three days of panic was fucking what. The same Kharkov, technically, it was possible to try to take the forces of two directions, with normal command.
          Under the condition of knocking out light and communications in the first two hours and capturing key points, followed by clearing the rest.
        2. Anyuta Glorious
          Anyuta Glorious 2 October 2022 22: 35
          0
          Agree. Absolutely no one understands why and why it was necessary to go to Kyiv
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 3 October 2022 02: 02
      +2
      Quote: Anyuta Glorious
      They got hit on the ears, which is just shameful. Not from Ukrainians, no. From the Americans, who are in charge of all the main operations of the Ukrainian army.

      It seems that not only the Ukrainian and not only the army.
  20. agoran
    agoran 2 October 2022 20: 00
    +4
    Tex, gentlemen.
    Everything is written in textbooks, it seems that the leaders from the Moscow Region only studied up to grade 3 of the Central School of Education.
    Everywhere about (e) the account, from the very beginning.
    Maybe it's time to change the management to a more educated one?
    1. Chem1st
      Chem1st 2 October 2022 20: 19
      +7
      It's not even about education. It's just that the higher the leader in our "vertical", the more he worries not for the country, but for his warm place, for the "topics" on which he sits, for the budgets that he cuts with impunity. The country and the work entrusted to him are of little interest to him. This is in all departments, and in the Ministry of Defense, as I see it, too. It is not real results that are valued, but beautiful presentations, optimistic reports and personal dedication. So we have what we have .... This is the system, brothers. And yet - it is very similar to 1916 ...
    2. Anyuta Glorious
      Anyuta Glorious 2 October 2022 22: 37
      0
      At first I also had the feeling that amateurs were somehow uneducated
  21. Rustic i ......
    Rustic i ...... 2 October 2022 20: 02
    +2
    And what, the cleansings that Zelensky spoke about no longer count? Cleaned up, just write off the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
  22. iouris
    iouris 2 October 2022 20: 02
    -2
    This is not the Armed Forces, but NATO. NATO continues to occupy Russia.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 October 2022 21: 34
      +7
      Quote: iouris
      This is not the Armed Forces, but NATO. NATO continues to occupy Russia.

      Yes, stop repeating the stamps. NATO has not yet begun. It's time to admit that the "plywood" marshal created a "plywood" army, and in all respects we turned out to be less prepared than those who were scornfully laughed at.
      1. poquello
        poquello 2 October 2022 22: 32
        -1
        Quote: lis-ik
        Quote: iouris
        This is not the Armed Forces, but NATO. NATO continues to occupy Russia.

        Yes, stop repeating the stamps. NATO has not yet begun.

        these are not stamps, their weapons, their commanders, their intelligence, and what is left of the Ukrainians?
  23. Mister who
    Mister who 2 October 2022 20: 05
    +3
    There are no reforms in the banking system, which already says a lot. Do not forget the people - the bourgeois are not our comrade. All this is very similar to the First World War - one-on-one positional war.)
  24. chingachguc
    chingachguc 2 October 2022 20: 11
    -2
    Minister of Defense in a pink blouse
  25. chingachguc
    chingachguc 2 October 2022 20: 23
    +4
    I would like to draw your attention to the fact that simultaneously with the mobilization in Russia, the Armed Forces of Ukraine also continue to mobilize and train new units in NATO training. Even after the mobilization of 300 thousand, we will not achieve parity at the front. They are ahead of us
    1. Kurganets-45
      Kurganets-45 3 October 2022 11: 21
      0
      only now they mobilized much more than 300 thousand and this is just the beginning. The Empire is preparing to strike back!
  26. mitroha
    mitroha 2 October 2022 20: 35
    -3
    Unfortunately, we have to state that this war will continue not for weeks, but for months.

    Something over time, the lady is not right.
  27. Ludmila Myshkina
    Ludmila Myshkina 2 October 2022 20: 41
    +1
    and that the peaceful people were again left for the reprisal of the ugil? they are already Russians! or how?
  28. ilpine
    ilpine 2 October 2022 20: 42
    +1
    NWO is a strange paramilitary operation according to a plan that allegedly exists, but no one really knows about the final goals and timing.
  29. Dizel200
    Dizel200 2 October 2022 21: 07
    0
    I am tormented by vague doubts why the entire people of the population understood the conduct of the NWO, and the General Staff has its own opinion, as a result, we have what we have. Is there a full name about this problem? Shpiguns in the General Staff are sitting a hundred pounds
  30. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 2 October 2022 21: 41
    +1
    Quote: faiver
    I do not understand why you think that the minister should be a strategist and tactician? This is the administrator.
    - this is the reason for all our troubles - ministries and departments are ruled by non-professionals - administrators / accountants, from the change of which, and sometimes their absence, nothing changes

    ..... and effective managers am
  31. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 October 2022 22: 26
    -2
    Is a military commissar a journalist? Or, as he presents himself. More than 1500 military correspondents died in the Great Patriotic War. They filmed and told about the bitter truth of the war. But not one spoke against the leadership of the country and the army. And we won! Thanks to their selfless work and understanding of the situation, that if you give free rein to personal emotions, the path to Victory will be expensive and long.
    1. Tatyana Makarova
      Tatyana Makarova 3 October 2022 12: 41
      0
      I put a plus! Where the cons come from is not clear. Your thought is correct //... In any case, public disassembly during the war is a disastrous thing. We need to get together. There are many trials ahead, and it will be a shame if Lapin is appointed extreme for the miscalculations of a wide range of officials.
      Alexander Kharchenko//
  32. opposite28
    opposite28 2 October 2022 23: 49
    -1
    From the words of Christina Lambrecht:

    Of course, this is a success, one cannot but give it its due. But this is by no means a turning point. It is important to continue training Ukrainian soldiers, including with an eye to the future. Unfortunately, we have to state that this war will continue not for weeks, but for months.
    Curious according to what calendar chronology ?!
  33. Alexander Soviet Union
    Alexander Soviet Union 3 October 2022 00: 11
    -1
     "Unfortunately, we have to admit that this war will continue not for weeks, but for months."

    Yes, they have patience. The West managed to draw the Slavic peoples into civil strife, which is almost impossible to stop. Now it only remains to wait and march on a victorious march.
    How many times has it been said that only together we: Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians - strength. Well, okay, the government is corrupt, ready to push slogans like "Muscovite to Gilyak", etc., but are people really that stupid?! (((
  34. Emergency
    Emergency 3 October 2022 07: 17
    0
    Christina Lambrecht. Well, of course, she is also a strategist and a genius of military thought. Only garbage is that these turning points from individual victories and jambs of the enemy add up. And our commanders messed up a lot. These miscalculations are leveled by the guys with their lives on the field. That's the worst thing (the right word for VO taboo). sad
  35. Yuri Siritsky_2
    Yuri Siritsky_2 3 October 2022 11: 18
    0
    Generals to a fig, but there is little sense. I wonder why many of them received the hero of the Russian Federation.
  36. km-21
    km-21 3 October 2022 12: 19
    +1
    The defeat at Lyman could be a turning point if we continue to delude ourselves that we are at war with Ukraine. If we finally do not understand that the United States and NATO are against us, then we will lose this war, we will lose our country and we will lose our lives. It is time to understand that we will not be able to cope with NATO with any mobilizations. Until we uncover strategic nuclear weapons, we will be slowly and steadily killed. And they will eventually die.

    We have only one way out - a nuclear strike on Polish and Romanian logistics hubs with the threat of further escalation to the entire territory of NATO, including the United States. Only the threat of total annihilation can stop the Americans and force them to recognize our right to a place in the sun. Everything else will end with the death of the Russian World.
  37. nordscout
    nordscout 3 October 2022 18: 15
    0
    A very correct "message" of the head of the German Ministry of Defense Christina Lambrecht ..... Krasny Liman is "nothing" !!! Here is our Armed Forces in Lviv - this is a "real turning point" in the entire recent history of Europe and the new architecture of European security .....