Kyiv announced its readiness to accept MLRS HIMARS from the presence of the US Army in order to speed up the supply of complexes

Ukraine plans to receive the HIMARS MLRS promised to it by the United States right now, and not in a few years, as promised in Washington. Representatives of the Kyiv regime are already laying siege to the offices of American officials, urging them to take the "necessary" decision. All this is called "negotiating" in Kyiv.

A Ukrainian delegation arrived in Washington, the task of which is to knock out as many weapons as possible from the Americans, including heavy ones. In Kyiv, they really want to get Western Tanks, more artillery, shock Drones and, of course, MLRS HIMARS. US multiple launch rocket systems were promised to Ukraine, but not now, but in a few years, since they still need to be produced. But Kyiv does not like this option, Zelensky needs MLRS right now.

As the head of the Servant of the People party in the Verkhovna Rada, David Arakhamia, explained, in Kyiv they are offering the Americans to transfer installations from the presence of the US army to them, and then take the new ones for themselves. Like the United States doesn't care, but Ukraine "really needs it."

First of all, we need additional HIMARS, which were allocated, they will be delivered within two years, we are not satisfied with this. We want to take HIMARS, which are already in the US and have been in use. We want to take them, and let the new ones be delivered to the US Army

- he said.

In addition, Kyiv is seeking the supply of Gray Eagle and MQ Reaper drones from the United States. According to the same Arakhamia, the US Air Force is not against the supply drones, manufacturers are also ready to supply Ukraine with shock drones, but a political solution is needed, which the members of the Ukrainian delegation are trying to get by knocking on the thresholds of the offices of American senators and congressmen.

As previously stated in the Pentagon, the new HIMARS MLRS are not intended for quick transfer to Ukraine, but to create some kind of reserve for the future.

Comments

[Foundling]

The saturation of ukrov with equipment and the preparation of drugs is very effective at mattresses. Our answer is interesting. T-62?

[neworange88]

Not saturation, but replenishment of losses.

.Our answer is interesting. T-62?

Don’t you read the news about the early delivery of the upgraded T-80BVM and new T-90M to the troops? Google it. More recently, information has passed. works for the APU.

Omsktransmash handed over to the military ahead of schedule a large batch of modernized T-80BVM tanks

https://topwar.ru/202627-omsktransmash-dosrochno-peredal-voennym-bolshuju-partiju-modernizirovannyh-tankov-t-80bvm.html

As the State Corporation Rostec reported on May 17, 2022, Uralvagonzavod, which is part of the UVZ concern of the State Corporation Rostec, took place a solemn dispatch of a train of T-90M Proryv tanks to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4527023.html

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from: neworange88

You do not read the news about the early delivery of the upgraded T-80BVM and new T-90M to the troops?

How many of them will be there for 300 thousand mobilized?

[neworange88]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from: neworange88

You do not read the news about the early delivery of the upgraded T-80BVM and new T-90M to the troops?

How many of them will be there for 300 thousand mobilized?

For what purpose are you interested? It is clear that not all 300 thousand will be tankers. And are there 300 thousand or more?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from: neworange88

Why are you interested in?

I'll tell Zaluzny.

Quote from: neworange88

It is clear that not all 300 thousand will be tankers.

Yes, it is clear that not all infantrymen will be.

Quote from: neworange88

Is it 300 thousand or more?

And this is secret number 7, which Peskov voiced.

Quote from: neworange88

And then I see they are raking everyone into the Army clean.

Students, IT people and bankers are not being expelled.

[neworange88]

Well, those who are in high-tech industries and the military-industrial complex are also not taken.

[your1970]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from: neworange88

Why are you interested in?

I'll tell Zaluzny.

Quote from: neworange88

It is clear that not all 300 thousand will be tankers.

Yes, it is clear that not all infantrymen will be.

Quote from: neworange88

Is it 300 thousand or more?

And this is secret number 7, which Peskov voiced.

Quote from: neworange88

And then I see they are raking everyone into the Army clean.

Students, IT people and bankers are not being expelled.

They promised that the husbands of pregnant women will be postponed

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: your1970

They promised that the husbands of pregnant women will be postponed

Fourth child?

[your1970]

The fourth is already a year old as a law - now they promise for the first

[4ekist]

MLRS HIMARS are not intended for quick transfer to Ukraine, but to create some kind of reserve for it

And then little dill schools, hospitals, houses were smashed. Still require.

neworange88
And then I see they are raking everyone into the Army clean.

Some of my acquaintances (reserve officers) were attracted now, others (acting) already have 2-3 business trips, someone was not taken away - they work at military-industrial complex enterprises. and IT people. But as far as I can see, they are calling not 300 tons, but much more. It looks like after the first wave of mobilization, there will be another one this year.

[Ivan Ivanov]

It would be logical to start preparing / teaching the reserve at least now, if they have not been clear since March. 300 thousand people can't get by there, just to close the front. Bagdasarov voiced the necessary figure of ~ 700 thousand rubles back in the spring.

[dmi.pris1]

I read about the T90A from storage. Are these the very first batches released?

[YOUR]

Who will tell you this. The network says that such tanks are in storage - 200 units.

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

Probably. Judging by the latest photos, Ross. railway trains with military equipment - they collect all the junk and go to the front ... I personally saw the train with Grads. It looks like we will put pressure on the number of bayonets and on any junk. Well, watch all sorts of cartoons about "Armata" ...

[IvanR]

This is not the second world war, it is unlikely that it will be possible to throw meat and hail over the areas, with so many reconnaissance and high-precision now

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

To this I answer you that far from high-precision and far from new equipment is brought up. I believe in victory, but every day it becomes more and more illusory.
It’s better not to remember about intelligence - since NATO weapons freely arrive on cargo planes, unload, are brought to storage bases, and then delivered to the front end, where they try to destroy them, then consider our intelligence does not see it at all.

[Ivan Ivanov]

I wonder where the coalition of the SV, since the age of 15, has not been finished in any way. very useful thing.

[poquello]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

Judging by the latest photos, Ross. railway trains

you have pictures of the wrong system

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

Yeah ... this is the GB retouching them - Tornadoes to Hurricanes, t-90 to t-72.

[poquello]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

Yeah ... this is the GB retouching them - Tornadoes to Hurricanes, t-90 to t-72.

and for what purpose are you interested in?

[Horus]

The mobilized are trained on the T90. Yes, they began to produce and modernize, of course, they would have earlier, but the shift has already begun. We have our own production, no one is sending us aid trains. The war will pull all the rot upwards, you will have to spend money on the army, otherwise everything is crazy.

[Ivan Ivanov]

About rot and incompetence, this is true. Streshin said that a scout with the call sign "foxes" sent a battalion commander to three letters, who sent the LS to storm the fortified forehead and even repeated the attack.

[YOUR]

Can you tell the T-90 from the T-72 in the photo?

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

I appreciated the sarcasm, but in most cases, yes, I can.

[sabakina]

The collective farm is a voluntary business. But what is wrong with the Grads? Did they turn gray from old age and fell into dementia?

[41 REGION]

Quote: sabakina

What's wrong with Grads? They turned gray from old age and fell into dementia.

Greetings Dementia usually falls on those for whom they have to work out ..

[edmed]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

Probably. Judging by the latest photos, Ross. railway trains with military equipment - they collect all the junk and go to the front ...

If you saw what you were dragging in front of the NWO, everything that you could scoop out of the fence, everything is there.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

In 2005, after my dismissal, I often visited a friend, and even then and now he owns several scrap metal collection points. You have no idea what I saw there. And there are many storage bases on our land Continue,?

[Dimcor]

The combat power of the Grads is higher than that of the Hymars. Another thing is that Haymars are designed to destroy warehouses (not fortified) and other rear facilities, and Grads are against combat force, therefore the power is higher.

[Pulkovo1942]

The saturation of ukrov with equipment and the preparation of drugs is very effective at mattresses.

From Lviv to the front end is more than 1000 km. A whole infrastructure facilitates the transfer of personnel and equipment. The answer might be only its destruction. But the answer is late criminally is late.

[Yapet100]

You are wrong! Everything goes according to plan! That's what the Minister of Defense and Attack says.

[Ivan Ivanov]

It’s bad if inattention to ukrologistics is the result of warnings from partners like destroy the infrastructure, supply long-range missiles / mercenaries, destroy your pipelines / Rosatom facilities, etc. abroad, with the implication that we will not dare to use nuclear weapons. And then our thoughtful. Again and again I want to understand why we stand in splendid isolation, instead of accepting help from those who are ready to provide it. The "golden billion" is fighting against us.

[Cheshire]

Quote: Foundling

Our answer is interesting.

I propose to destroy the state of Ukraine. In the face of the administration buildings, we are glad and so on. The pressure of the information and terrorist war against us will immediately decrease, there should be an ideology like in Israel. For a terrorist attack or a strike on civilians, the destruction of the leaders of the Saloreikha.

[EXPrompt]

Unless the problem is in the gadyushniks. It's the easiest thing to knock them out. and their state will be destroyed further than th ..
The problem is that there is shit in their heads for 30 years.
The war has been going on for 7 months, and the enemy has not yet surrendered, even suffering critical losses.
So what do you propose to do with the population. What are the options with a disloyal, anti-Russian population.

[Cheshire]

Quote: EXPrompt

Unless the problem is in the gadyushniks. It's the easiest thing to knock them out. and their state will be destroyed further than th ..

The problem is that there is no problem for those at the top. As a result, the problem is solved at the local level, although there should be a common ideology in the fight against squalor.

[Thrifty]

A foundling - we still have T34 on the pastes, so their use will be the very "answer"! And there you look, and we will arrange the release of BT7. ...

[Foundling]

I look at everything that is happening and it seems that I am sleeping, but in fact I woke up like most citizens in the country.

[AAK]

No, better "Freedom Fighter Comrade Lenin" at the Renault base, Macron promised to help with smuggled spare parts ...

[AAK]

It’s not even about the Hymars themselves, there was fairly reliable information about the supply of a new type of ammunition for MLRS with a filling of several tens of thousands of small tungsten carbide balls, with a standard range for this system - KVO 7m, a range of continuous destruction by fragments up to 120 meters, for our guys there is a very serious danger, but we are not told to touch the Bandera logistics ... it really seems that all the "kids" who did not return to Russia are already being held by the good guys from the CIA and MI-6, here are the fathers who love children and work out...

[Dimcor]

The T-62 is not used anywhere at all, okay, the DPR used it on the second line. Okay, let's say we can where one other tank was left and now the T-62 is breaking forward, the main armament of Ukraine is the M113 armored personnel carriers of the 60s, a full-fledged tank has a 300% chance against all this cardboard issued to Ukraine.

[Negro]

Quote from DimCorvus

M113 armored personnel carriers of the 60s

There, in fact, the other day, Tou was brought in in addition to everything that was there before.

[Dimcor]

I'm not talking about the fact that the T62 is an unstoppable prodigy, of course not, it's an outdated tank, which is why it was used only in the DPR, which is why it is being withdrawn from the DPR now, when they were equated with the Russian military. I am writing about the fact that against the background of the equipment that is mainly supplied to Ukraine, even the T62 looks cheerful.

[Negro]

Quote from DimCorvus

I am writing about the fact that against the background of the equipment that is mainly supplied to Ukraine, even the T62 looks cheerful.

Of the tanks, they have just been supplied with the same T-72s of various modifications, including fairly new ones. And the M113 looks normal against the background of an armored personnel carrier, a good working machine.

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

It seems to be true, because the United States has no competitors on the North American continent for a long time, highmars are not needed there. They will ship to Ukraine.

[poquello]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

It seems to be true, because the United States has no competitors on the North American continent for a long time, highmars are not needed there. They will ship to Ukraine.

where are there so many dill - they have all the hameris safe and sound, according to them and the Americans)))))))))))))))

[skeptick2]

According to Konashenkov, the Armed Forces of Ukraine may not have them at all soon. So Temko in color.

[poquello]

Quote from: skeptick2

According to Konashenkov, the Armed Forces of Ukraine may not have them at all soon.

Is Konashenkov's duralization going well? Please bring his words

[skeptick2]

It is not the words of Koashenkov that need to be quoted, but the figures that he pronounces should be thought about. On the number of destroyed aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Tanks. Other armored vehicles. MLRS (including those Himers). Arty. And so on. Remind these numbers? I can bring others. Data from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on how much, what and in what quantity the Armed Forces of Ukraine had at the time of the start of the MZO. Let's compare them with Konashenkov's figures. Let's laugh together. By the way, a similar analysis has already been done. Dive into memory.

[poquello]

Quote from: skeptick2

MLRS (including those Himers). Arty. And so on. Remind these numbers?

Did I write something incomprehensibly? please give the words of Konashenkov, from which it is clear that the APU has no or almost no hameris left

[stelltok]

Data from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on how much, what and in what quantity the Armed Forces of Ukraine had at the time of the start of the MZO.

Can you show?

let's compare them with Konashenkov's numbers

Show all data?
It just got interesting.

[skeptick2]

Satisfy curiosity. In addition, someone here has already done a similar analysis. I'm only citing quotes.
So, "at a briefing by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on July 15, General Igor Konashenkov announced the destruction of 253 aircraft, 137 helicopters, 1 UAVs, 543 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 4 MLRS, 060 field artillery pieces and mortars."
Compare this with what Ukraine had at the time of the start of the military operation.
"According to official data from the same Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, at the time of the military operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 152 aircraft, 149 helicopters, 36 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, 2 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 416 MLRS, 535 field artillery pieces and mortars ."
Remember the date of the briefing? July 15? How much equipment since then Konashenkov has snapped up from the adversary, only he knows, I can lose count. I will only note that Lend-Lease was officially supposed to start working only yesterday, and nothing has been delivered under it yet. Something was supplied through other channels (within the same Ramstein, for example), but even these deliveries cannot exceed Konashenkov's figures.

[poquello]

Quote from: skeptick2

How much technology since that time Konashenkov still clicked on the adversary, only he knows,

not him, the bourgeoisie know how much they brought but they won’t say, but we know that the bourgeoisie collected Soviet equipment around the world where they could very diligently

[Procopius Nesterov]

You do not take into account the deliveries of Soviet equipment from NATO countries.
And the numbers may well be real, since the Ukrainians rarely flash the Soviet equipment that they had. More and more Western armored personnel carriers are the same.
This means that the weapons that Ukraine had at the beginning of the NWO were destroyed in the majority.

[skeptick2]

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

You do not take into account the deliveries of Soviet equipment from NATO countries.

I just take it into account, which is why Rammstein was mentioned.

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

This means that the weapons that Ukraine had at the beginning of the NWO were destroyed in the majority.

If you carefully read the figures, you could not help but notice that it was destroyed not in the majority, but in an amount exceeding the number of weapons available to the Armed Forces of Ukraine according to the estimates of the same Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
I'm not going to dissuade anyone. If a person wants to believe Konashenkov's fairy tales, this is his own business. Right?

[Procopius Nesterov]

Taking into account the supply of Soviet equipment from NATO countries, no more.
Why now more flashes of destroyed equipment from NATO countries, armored personnel carriers and Western artillery. Because what Ukraine had of its own was mostly destroyed.

[stelltok]

In addition, someone here has already done a similar analysis. I'm only citing quotes.

Not so simple.
Your data

152 aircraft
149 helicopters
36 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs
2 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles
535 MLRS
1 field artillery pieces and mortars.

Quick search across different sites
I gave these numbers.
compare with yours

202 aircraft
164+37=201 helicopters
1350+1319+450+490= 4867 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles
535 MLRS
=785+2040 = 2825 field artillery pieces and mortars.
322 air defense systems

1 source
https://militaryarms.ru/armii-mira/ukraina/
There is a picture

202 aircraft
164+37=201 helicopters
1350+1319+450+490= 4867 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles

Then from here
https://finance.rambler.ru/other/47182842-sravnenie-voennoy-moschi-rossii-i-ukrainy-po-reytingu-globalfirepower/

Self-propelled artillery:
785 units

Field artillery:
2 thousand 40 units

=785+2040 = 2825 field artillery pieces and mortars.

And now look at the supplies

https://donbasstoday.ru/podrobnyj-spisok-vooruzheniya-peredavaemyh-ukraine

https://lostarmour.info/articles/s-miru-po-nitke/

Add and then subtract. Well, in addition, the equipment is being repaired (suddenly)

[Procopius Nesterov]

I looked and counted according to the reports, it turns out that at least 9 Hymers were destroyed somewhere. Which is quite real. What you are basing it on is not clear. You only have unsubstantiated accusations.
https://www.interfax-russia.ru/tag/16594

[Dimcor]

The real figures of Ukrainian losses may be higher than those claimed by Konashenkov, as they do not take into account the wounded and other collateral damage. In World War II, Germany lost under 6000+ people if we take an average per day, Ukraine now, according to Konashenkov, well, a maximum of 1000, usually hundreds.
The data provided by Konashenkov is very clear - if there is no aviation (in summer, aviation was not in the reports for almost a couple of months) - it is not in the reports, if someone transfers aviation to Ukraine, then gradually it begins to appear in the reports. I didn’t say that his data is accurate, I said that it’s quite possible to rely on his data as a useful source of information, now the fog of war, someone reported on the destruction of equipment twice, not necessarily intentionally, just different groups fired, his data, in principle, are not may be accurate.
Moreover, we should laugh at you here because you are directly proposing to compare the numbers of what was and what was destroyed, not taking into account the old equipment removed from storage, as well as significant new deliveries, as well as the process of repairing and restoring equipment.

[Foundling]

But-but! Konashenkov, apparently, is the most combat-ready component of our aircraft. The one that will soon begin to "grind" Nebraska

[poquello]

Quote: Foundling

But-but! Konashenkov, apparently, is the most combat-ready component of our aircraft. The one that will soon begin to "grind" Nebraska

one more, I asked a specific question on the text.
And the topic of the article, if you suddenly didn’t understand, refers specifically to the grinding of MLRS from Nebraska and similar places

[Foundling]

Okay, let's start with complete air supremacy. Remember? Do you also agree with "the operation is going according to plan"? Maybe enough grimacing?

[poquello]

Quote: poquello

I asked a specific question about the text.

Quote: Foundling

Okay, let's start with complete air supremacy. Remember? Do you also agree with "the operation is going according to plan"? Maybe enough grimacing?

why are you jumping from the vector "Konashenkov always lies" to the vector "Konashenkov sometimes makes mistakes"?

Quote: Foundling

Maybe enough grimacing?

wow, "who is called names .."

[Foundling]

Well, I then cited quotes that are not true. Now it's your turn to bring phrases where he is not lying. There are such?

[poquello]

Quote: Foundling

Well, I then cited quotes that are not true. Now it's your turn to bring phrases where he is not lying. There are such?

Are you bad at math or logic?

[Foundling]

I asked you a question not related to mathematics or logic. I understand there is nothing to object. You cannot quote where Konashenkov is telling the truth. I am satisfied

[poquello]

Quote: Foundling

I asked you a question not related to mathematics or logic.

I'm telling you - you have problems with both mathematics and logic, because

Quote: Foundling

I then gave quotes that are not true. Now it's your turn to bring phrases where he is not lying.

and if the part you give is false, then the rest is true

Quote: Foundling

I am satisfied

your intimate habits are not interesting to me

[Foundling]

Dont be upset. Over time, your comments will become more meaningful.

[Tusv]

But they break through the offices of the supreme authorities and achieve their goal, and here we are scraping around in the same offices. Nafig bring down all the bridges in the Danish straits, with the words. And we're fishing here. We are forbidden to set up nets, and you are so tolerant

[Arkady007]

There will always be delegations from Ukraine as long as there is this state.
Ukraine as an industrial state no longer exists for the next 50 years.
And hardly anyone will invest because of the fear of new conflicts.
Conclusion. Ukraine is a yoke around the neck of the winner.

[skeptick2]

The worst mistake. The West has already invested so much there that no one will ever refuse it under any circumstances. This is what should be taken into account in the analysis and forecasts.

[Rustic]

What was invested there was not invested at all for development and profit. They invested there initially for the sake of creating a toxic asset. The West needs Ukraine only as a foothold and cannon fodder for the war with Russia. And the ukornazis are fully working out these influences. At the end, in any case, this used condom will simply be thrown into the trash.

[YOUR]

This state will not exist, but the government and delegations will still remain, this has been practiced more than once or twice in world history. government in exile. delegations in exile.

[belovvladimir]

In the USA, everything is veiled, they say one thing, they do another, double standards, it's time for the freelancers to really cut off oxygen in all fields, from metals to paper!

[Asad]

So they heard your proposal, they are going to ban the purchase of silver nickel copper from us. Titan is next. The blockade is just beginning.

[belovvladimir]

+ to you, but in the days of the USSR, we already lived almost in isolation, and the country was fraternal, and not what it is now, brother went to brother, and the Tribalts generally spit bile, so let them understand at least once that without Russia they can’t to live in peace, it’s only a pity that Fashington, through the hands of his younger brothers, Ukraine, ignited the fire of hatred for us, for Russians, sitting in oval offices, counting his profits from the blood that flows not only in Ukraine but all over the world!

[your1970]

Quote: belovvladimir

and the country was brotherly, and not what it is now

Yes Yes...
Now in Moscow, visitors are called "guest workers" - and then they were called "LimitA" ...
That's all brotherhood...

[IvanR]

Abrams are unlikely to be given, but M2 Bradleys may well, according to the wiki, they are stored there for 3 thousand pieces

[dmi.pris1]

By the way, there was a whole bunch of the latest modifications of the M60. Did you cut it or left it in the sun in Arizona?

[Negro]

Quote: dmi.pris

M60 of the latest modifications. Did you cut it or left it in the sun in Arizona?

In California, it seems. Are worth. And by the way, not only in the USA.

[Burma6]

It seems to me that the US does not want to supply M2 or M1 at all. They argue that the M1 is not possible due to logistics and that the Europeans should supply the Leopard 2 instead. But there are not many Leopard 2s and the production capacity is low. Delivery of L2 A4 to Ukraine will further slow down production because they can be upgraded to A7. The existence of thousands of M2s refutes the logistics argument.

The Challenger 2 and Leclerc are never talked about, which makes me think that there is an agreement on the "non-delivery of Western tanks".

It is important to remember that the United States does not care about the dead Ukrainian soldiers. As long as the war can be prolonged with the help of other weapon systems and until Ukraine falls apart, there is no need to transfer such tanks. And if the situation changes, it may be preferable to motivate the Europeans to transfer their tanks and force them to buy the M1 as a replacement.

[Fantazer911]

I support 100% the idea in the USA, in this way to weaken the European economy by bending them to the fullest, the US military-industrial complex is flourishing, papers will be stuffed with a lot of candy wrappers!

[Negro]

Quote from Burma6

It seems to me that the US does not want to supply M2 or M1 at all. They claim M1 is not possible due to logistics

I have not heard such statements. I heard that there is no political solution.

Quote from Burma6

there is not much about the Leopard 2, and the production capacity is small. Delivery of L2 A4 to Ukraine will further slow down production

Some strange logic. Leo4 in the reserve of different countries (not in parts) is several hundred. The Spaniards even seemed to be trying to start deliveries.

Quote from Burma6

The Challenger 2 and Leclerc are never talked about, which makes me think that there is an agreement on the "non-delivery of Western tanks".

You are right, some unhealthy political bullshit is felt.

Quote from Burma6

And if the situation changes, it may be preferable to motivate the Europeans to transfer their tanks and force them to buy the M1 as a replacement.

The ways of the grandfather in dementia are inscrutable.

[Burma6]

The US has the largest reserves. I watched an interview with former four-star General Petraeus. He explained that M1s were too heavy (up to 68 tons) for bridges. He also said that they can only be repaired in Poland, and this requires special maintenance specialists and tank recovery vehicles on the M1 chassis. But the M1A1, of which they have thousands in storage, weighs only 55,8 tons.

On the other hand, Leopard 2 would be more suitable because there are so many of them and they are lighter, "only" 55 tons for an old A4. A7 weighs 67,5 tons. Whether they will also have to be repaired in Poland, he did not specify.

And on paper there are 2000 of them. But will the Turks and Greeks give up their A4s? I doubt. Will Finland give up its stocks? Germany doesn't have tank depots and wants ~350 tanks, they have too few of them and they need to give some to trade. Poland upgrades A4 to L2PL. It's the same with many other countries.

Spain has ~100 A4s in storage, but they are in such bad condition that even the Czech Republic didn't want to buy them. And finally, the ECFR think tank (they insisted on deliveries to Ukraine) believes that only 90 Leopard 2s can be delivered, without specifying in which version.

As we've seen in the Middle East, the Leopard 2 A4 is nothing special. The new variants are different, but they are not in stock and are also too heavy for bridges.

The maintenance and weight arguments don't work with the M2 Bradley, a machine the US also has many thousands of.

[Negro]

Quote from Burma6

I watched an interview with former four-star General Petraeus. He explained that M1s were too heavy (up to 68 tons) for bridges.

Does a four-star general tell ordinary tales from Runet?

Quote from Burma6

He also said that they can only be repaired in Poland, and this requires special maintenance specialists and tank recovery vehicles on the M1 chassis.

Naturally we need BREM. Has anyone argued with this?

Quote from Burma6

Whether they will also have to be repaired in Poland, he did not specify.

Naturally. On the other hand, Leo is in service with Poland, so the rear has long been worked out there.

Quote from Burma6

And on paper there are 2000 of them. But will the Turks and Greeks give up their A4s? I doubt.

If you need numbers in the region of several thousand, then there are only abrams in that amount. Leo4s are available around 400 in reserve mainly in Switzerland, Finland and Spain.
Well, tanks of the previous generation, M60, Leo1, AMX. Theoretically, they are available in almost any quantity, and with the modifications of the 80s, they are quite capable of making a rustle.

Quote from Burma6

The maintenance and weight arguments don't work with the M2 Bradley, a machine the US also has many thousands of.

Yes, both Bradley and M109 have very big questions for Joe.

[Burma6]

Exactly. Petraeus echoes the US official response to the request for Ukrainian tanks. "We can't supply M1A1 or M1A2, ask for Leopard 2." He is well aware that this is not the only choice and that more modern Western tanks will have the same disadvantages as the Abrams, such as weight.

Germany says it will not supply tanks until NATO agrees to do so, and claims that there is an agreement for the moment not to supply Western tanks, which I think is correct. Switzerland cannot supply the Leopard2 unless Germany agrees, Spain wanted to supply the A4 but only managed to repair 10.
Scholz is also blocking Leopard 1 deliveries and has been telling everyone for the last 6 months that Germany will not be first when it comes to tank deliveries.

France and Great Britain somehow managed to avoid the tank issue. Poland continues to point to Germany. The small NATO countries would disarm themselves if they sent their tanks to Ukraine. They have their own defense needs and may not want to wait years for new tanks to be delivered in the face of a possible hot war with Russia.

The military industry in Western Europe is already producing tanks at full capacity. Rheinmetall and KMW-Nexter have a lot of orders to fulfill.

So now tank losses are hitting Ukraine hard, their main hope is to capture enough tanks to replace the losses.

The delivery of Western tanks will take time (perhaps years, depending on the actual condition of the stored tanks) and will require a change in US priorities and policy. This creates a window of opportunity to decisively destroy the Ukrainian mechanized forces when their offensive has exhausted itself.

[Negro]

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We can't supply M1A1 or M1A2, ask for Leopard 2

The phrase "can't" in this case means "there are no tanks in Joe's signed package."

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Scholz is also blocking Leopard 1 deliveries and has been telling everyone for the last 6 months that Germany will not be first when it comes to tank deliveries.

Exactly. Allegedly, there is an agreement that without Joe's go-ahead, there will be no deliveries of armored vehicles. Like I said, unhealthy political bullshit.

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they have their own defense needs and may not want to wait years for new tanks to be delivered in the face of a possible hot war with Russia

Yes. And seeing this pantomime, the Poles have already merged in military-technical ecstasy with the Koreans.

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So now the loss of tanks is hitting Ukraine very hard

)))
So far, there is no shortage of tanks.

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The delivery of western tanks will take time (perhaps years, depending on the actual condition of the stored tanks)

The delivery of Western tanks will take approximately two weeks after the decision is made.

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which makes it possible to decisively destroy the Ukrainian mechanized forces when their offensive has exhausted itself.

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Yep, already wrote about it. All the optimism that Z-channels can offer their audience is "the Americans are about to surrender Ukraine."

[YOUR]

All equipment breaks down, has a service life. So the number of shots per barrel for the M777 is -2650, then the barrel is for scrap. In addition, there are large restrictions on the number of shots per day, no more than 100. The intensity of the battles is such that they make 300 shots. With such intense shooting, the gun will fail in a couple of weeks. The Germans came to see how their self-propelled guns behave. You read it cool, in principle it is, but there are some BUT. Do not shoot more than one BC per day, this is 60 shells, a barrage of no more than 20 shells, followed by routine maintenance, etc. By the way, with the M777, it’s the same after 100 shots to carry out repair and maintenance work.
If someone thinks that we are different, then in vain. Of course, our technique is more unpretentious, but there are also limitations. But we have repair plants nearby and change the barrel in a tank, in a self-propelled gun or repair a gun, we will do the recoil seals, but the Ukrainians are unlikely.
I return to the German PzH2000 self-propelled guns, the Germans saluted 15 units, a month later there were 5. At the same time, not a single one was hit, it was about a month ago. How many of them are in service now, one or none?
Plus logistics. All these Bradleys, Abrams need to be dragged from another mainland, you can’t get drunk on planes. And now the Americans themselves are on fire, after explosions on gas pipelines.

[donavi49]

Actually, this is the problem of a small composition at 150% of the capabilities used. Many breakdowns, regardless of the type and quality of products. The same Crabs also vomit trunks from intensity.

This is solved by saturation. In fact, if we take this visit, the main questions raised are:
155 mm art - especially any M109.
Armored vehicles - M113 different versions + wheeled, but not MaxPro. They are very much scolded in the sense that there are a lot of hemorrhoids with him, it is better to get 2 Humvees than 1 MaxPro, and for the money there will be all 3,5 Humvees with zips and weapons against the naked MaxPro.
Himarsy and rockets to them.
UAVs are not only strategic, but also various tactical Pumas, basic (which already exist) and upgraded.
Well, we will also talk about airplanes / helicopters. Let me remind you that the money allocated and budgeted for training pilots for Western aircraft should already be spent.

[Negro]

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And now the Americans themselves are on fire, after explosions on gas pipelines.

What do Americans care about gas pipelines?

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At the same time, not a single one was hit, it was about a month ago. How many of them are in service now, one or none?

And what, to take Germany so far to the service?

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But we have repair plants nearby and change the barrel in a tank, in a self-propelled gun or repair a gun, we will do the recoil seals, but the Ukrainians are unlikely.

To Poland and to EKB T-72 lead the same way. Even closer to Poland.

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as the number of shots per barrel for the M777 -2650, then the barrel is for scrap.

The barrel resource of 2650 shots is more than that of Msta or Hyacinth.

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In addition, there are large restrictions on the number of shots per day, no more than 100. The intensity of the battles is such that they make 300 shots each.

Therefore, 105mm appear there. They are more suitable for long intense fire.

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By the way, with the M777, it’s the same after 100 shots to carry out repair and maintenance work.

Repair of a gun after one and a half or two ammo? Oh well.

[rotmistr60]

in Kyiv, they offer the Americans to transfer installations from the presence of the US army to them, and then take the new ones for themselves

Cunning to the point of idiocy. I won’t be surprised if it becomes known that behind the scenes they are begging for ammunition with a nuclear charge for howitzers and the same HIMARS.

[opposite28]

As the head of the Servant of the People party in the Verkhovna Rada, David Arakhamia, explained, in Kyiv they are offering the Americans to transfer installations from the presence of the US army to them, and then take the new ones for themselves. Like the United States doesn't care, but Ukraine "really needs it."

First of all, we need additional HIMARS, which were allocated, they will be delivered within two years, we are not satisfied with this. We want to take HIMARS, which are already in the US and have been in use. We want to take them, and let the new ones be delivered to the US Army

- he said.

If Ukraine joins NATO, the countries participating in the alliance, especially the United States, risk going bankrupt for many years to come. Ukrainian bitch is ready for anything.

[Silver99]

All our generals, analysts from TV, kept saying that 18 "Himers" would not make the weather at the front, and then pictures appeared on the network of what kind of equipment we are putting into the combat zone, on the platforms of KRAZA trains Lapotniks and Urals with installations "Grad "Still gasoline, apparently from storage warehouses.

[Asad]

Does one of the respected members of the forum keep statistics on the destruction of chimeras? Looks like it should end.

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

And you will notice how the fact of the attack on this MLRS is described in the reports - not "destroyed", but "affected". But how amazed?
a) broken glass with fragments and slashed the wheels + crap crew,
b) screwed up to the state of a sieve.
So it turns out that the "affected" equipment is quite combat-ready, and the report on its sudden death has already gone upstairs.

[Negro]

The hosts have not confirmed a single loss. Konashenkov knocked out about everything, the rest were bought by Rybar.

[sabakina]

Quote from Silver99

All our generals, analysts from TV, kept saying that 18 "Himers" would not make the weather at the front, and then pictures appeared on the network of what kind of equipment we are putting into the combat zone, on the platforms of KRAZA trains Lapotniks and Urals with installations "Grad "Still gasoline, apparently from storage warehouses.

In the case of a badabum, the ammunition is on the drum, on which the Grad rides. And why don't you like KRAZ, proven over the years?

[Nastia makarova]

And how does it relate to each other ....

[opuonmed]

Nudk Ukrrr has the entire infrastructure and rear services working! I just don’t understand for the life of me why they don’t destroy it!

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

Recently, several power stations have been shut down.
in response, the Americans gasped SP-2, the only one remaining gas pipeline was through Saloreich.
You can’t turn off the CHP plant any further - the gas will stop.
Only the bridges remain.

[EXPrompt]

@Collective farm is voluntary. (Novel)
And then ours will disappear.
For it is necessary to extinguish the infrastructure in the United States, Norway or the North Sea. And no bridges.
Bridges are a matter of course. You don't understand the difference between goals.
SP1,2 is a blow to the international trade route, this is a completely different level of conflict. This incident is similar to the strike on the Suet or Panama Canal, so you understand. SPO ended, World War 3 began.

[sabakina]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

Recently, several power stations have been shut down.
in response, the Americans gasped SP-2, the only one remaining gas pipeline was through Saloreich.
You can’t turn off the CHP plant any further - the gas will stop.
Only the bridges remain.

Roma, is there a secret SP-3?

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

SP- no more, but what remains - the ground one from the side of Kursk-Sum comes in and goes towards Uzhgorod.

[gansales]

Representatives of the Kyiv regime are already laying siege to the offices of American officials, urging them to take the "necessary" decision. All this is called "negotiating" in Kyiv.

A funny Jew in Kyiv earns money on the USA and the blood of the Slavs! Let them concentrate..
We have enough weapons to destroy the ukrozhidovermat

[Commissar77]

Mihan, when will you go to the front yourself? Mobilization is underway, and if you are not subject to age, then you can volunteer. Or is it better to post? There are doubts about the sincerity of your posts.

[Chronos]

A little off topic. Who wanted organizational conclusions? A new commander of the Western Military District, commander of the 29th Berdnikov, was appointed. Surovikin's protégé. So Gerasimov seems to be starting to collect things.
PS For equipment sent to the front. There are different echelons. Yesterday, for example, footage appeared with KAMAZ "Vystrel" trucks with the "Spoke" module. They began to be mass-produced only this year. Both T62 and T90 are coming. There is no time for lyrics, we must throw everything we have.

[Charik]

It's just some kind of shame: while the customs is slowing down all sorts of things needed by the fighters-chiefs of the customs, the general-nonsense ranks are assigned

[HAM]

Give your wife to your uncle, and go on yourself .......

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

I have one question: Why are our homegrown "Haymars Ivnovichi" worse than American ones? Why is the appearance of the French "Caesars" so disturbing and fearful? Why are the "cheetahs" better than our "shilok-tungusook"? Please explain ...

[Reptiloid]

Are you interested in the difference in actual performance characteristics (secret) - or its cause?

[voyaka uh]

One word: accuracy.
Western field and front weapons more precisely Russian.
And in many cases, the range: longer-range and more accurate.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

, Thank you. No irony, no banter, all to the point.

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

Yes, it’s no better, the General Staff made a bet on the SVO with the virtual absence of resistance, and suddenly ... oops ... and in return something flies, which they themselves don’t always have.

[Burma6]

What makes HIMARS so dangerous is the range and accuracy of the GMLRS (90 km) and ER GMLRS (150 km) combined with the intelligence support that Ukraine receives. That is why Lapin had to move his headquarters so far back. In theory, it does not outperform the Tornado-S, but in practice, other problems may arise that are not obvious from a couch point of view, such as the supply of guided munitions, communications, and the lack of satellite and unmanned reconnaissance.

[Negro]

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ER GMLRS (150 km)

There haven't been any yet.

[Caruso]

The issue is not better or worse. The problem is that all the equipment freely, in broad daylight, reaches the front, where it is successfully used. It is destroyed only at the words of a bespectacled tambourine. No one saw the real facts for eight months. But Ukrainians already have a lot of our secret equipment.

[Procopius Nesterov]

Maybe you are sitting on Svidomo channels? On the norms of the channels, the destruction of Ukrainian equipment and photos and videos are constantly laid out.

[Caruso]

Rusty ZILs, BMPs and T-62s - that's what I see from the destroyed ones. Not a single Hymers, Western howitzers, Crabs, Caesars, etc. I have never seen. Everything is just in words. Lies upon lies.

[composite]

My opinion, in addition to the answers already voiced, is target designation.
overwhelming superiority in intelligence. Accuracy can still be leveled by quantity and even range.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote from Silver99

All our generals, analysts from TV, kept saying that 18 "Himers" would not make the weather at the front, and then pictures appeared on the network of what kind of equipment we are putting into the combat zone, on the platforms of KRAZA trains Lapotniks and Urals with installations "Grad "Still gasoline, apparently from storage warehouses.

Fake! )) "If you see an inscription tiger on a cage with an elephant, do not believe your eyes" (c) Kuzma Prutkov

[Ivan1945]

Quite a lot, the armed forces of Ukraine managed to capture enemy tanks, namely 235 vehicles. Among them there are both quite massive and popular T-72BZ, as well as rare T-80 and T-90. Our deliveries are slightly less than the Western ones, they delivered about 300 tanks. Now it has been added near Liman, there are swamps all around, the only road was shot through, apparently the equipment was simply abandoned.

[Rustic]

In addition, Kyiv is seeking the supply of Gray Eagle and MQ Reaper drones from the United States.

And that's exactly what they'll never get. And not because they sell it. And by the fact that how do you follow yourself then? Who will then begin to distinguish between an American drone hanging around the border there, or a Ukrainian one. They will shoot down, and then prove whose it was.

[Negro]

You are confusing Reaper and Global Hawk. Scouting Global Hawk. And it is quite easy to distinguish them, and now they do not enter the territory of Ukraine at all.

[Elephant]

And the Kremlin, against the backdrop of Kuev's statement, announced its readiness to destroy bridges on the border with the West?

[Negro]

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announced readiness to destroy bridges on the border with the West?

What other bridges? Through Bug? So there you can move to the ford.

[ximkim]

Thrown.
The US and Europe will not abandon Ukraine.

[chingachguc]

I will accept a "chimera" as a gift, you can use it

[Govorun]

Until the soldiers of the United States, Britain and other countries of the "collective West" begin to die en masse in Ukraine, they will continue to saturate Ukraine with weapons, and in order for the soldiers of the West to begin to die en masse there, we need the political will of our country, BUT so far such a will is not visible at all , and with such impunity, we get Raisins, Liman, and apparently, alas, these are not the last key points ... stop deceiving yourself with different NWO, WHO is WAR, but if our Ministry of Defense could not fully supply 300.000 conscripts of PARTIAL mobilization, then what has it been doing since 2014, and if FULL mobilization is announced ??? So you think that someone will not pick up an AK, but a Mosin rifle ...
So we laughed at the "bone-heads", but life has shown that there are plenty of "bone-heads" in our government and in the Moscow Region, but this is not at all funny ...

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Kyiv announced its readiness to accept MLRS HIMARS from the presence of the US Army

***
- "Accepted" something bottomless from him ...
***

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

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That is why Lapin had to move his headquarters so far back.

It turns out that Ramzanchik got excited when he made noise about the range of the headquarters from the advanced units?

[Burma6]

This is just my guess. HIMARS has already been used to destroy headquarters in the past. Kadyrov is above all a ruthless politician. His criticism may be dictated not only by military logic, but also by the desire to strengthen his position and, perhaps, rise by inheriting power in the future.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

It turns out that Ramzanchik got excited when he made noise about the range of the headquarters from the advanced units?

That there were no shelters from HIMARS closer, some kind of nonsense.

[Cheburek]

Something is not heard about the Caliber - they seem to have run out. It’s a pity that the “resource empire” (© GDP) was separated from oil and gas, it would be time to stock up in China NORINCO ARS with BRE6 missiles, which they have like cheap and hot pies in bulk ... Yes, and cheap Hóng Jiàn-12 would not hurt ...