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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Allied forces left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous lines of defense

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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Allied forces left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous lines of defense

Toward the end of the day, the Russian Defense Ministry published a summary of the events on the fronts of the military special operation. The main attention is focused on the events near the city of Krasny Liman, where fighting has been going on for the past few weeks.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirms the information that there was a threat of encirclement of the allied forces, as a result, the troops from Kr. Liman were reportedly withdrawn to more advantageous lines.

This statement was received differently by various military commanders and military experts. Some are wondering why Krasny Liman itself could not be turned into a profitable line of defense, others believe that it was in Krasny Liman that the forces that were there recently did even more than was possible. The former believe that the allied forces were defeated near Krasny Liman, the latter are sure that all the prerequisites have been created for the enemy's extended forces to eventually suffer defeat. As can be seen, the interpretations, if not diametrically opposed, then differ in many respects.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, commenting on the situation, reports that the enemy threw more and more reserves into battle, achieving superiority in the Krasny Liman region both in manpower and in means.

At the same time, the fire defeat of the enemy continues in the Kharkov and Krivoy Rog-Nikolaev directions. According to Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, the enemy's 14th brigade's air defense forces were liquidated near Kupyansk. It is reported about the destruction of more than 50 militants and 12 pieces of equipment.

More than 270 fighters are liquidated in the Nikolaev area. Also destroyed were 23 armored fighting vehicles, 11 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, 11 army vehicles. Thus ended the enemy attack.

It is reported about the losses of the enemy in the area of ​​​​Novopol DPR, where he lost over 100 people with “two hundredth” and “three hundredth”.

In the area of ​​the city of Zaporozhye, the defeat was inflicted on the division of the 65th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a result of the strike, two HIMARS MLRS were destroyed.

In the Pavlovka area near Nikolaev, a MiG-29 of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was shot down.
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  1. coinsam
    coinsam 1 October 2022 17: 17
    +98
    Probably, Kadyrov spoke best of all about the situation.
    1. cold wind
      cold wind 1 October 2022 17: 17
      +89
      I have always said: there is nothing better than the voiced truth, albeit bitter, offensive, but the truth. This is the only way to move forward. Therefore, I cannot remain silent about what happened in Krasny Liman.

      The defense of this section was led by the commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Alexander Lapin. The same Lapin, who received the star of the Hero of Russia for the capture of Lisichansk, although de facto he was not there and was not around. Lapin was also given over to the troops of the Western Military District.

      The colonel-general deployed mobilized fighters from the LPR and other units on all frontiers of the Liman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communications, interaction and the supply of ammunition. Two weeks ago, Major General Commander of the Akhmat Special Forces, my dear BROTHER Apty Alaudinov, personally reported to me that our fighters could become an easy target. In turn, I informed Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, about the danger. But the general assured me that he had no doubts about Lapin's leadership talent and did not believe that a retreat was possible in Krasny Liman and its environs.

      A week later, Lapin moves his headquarters to Starobelsk, a hundred kilometers from his subordinates, while he himself sits in Lugansk. How can you quickly manage units, being 150 km away from them? Due to the lack of elementary military logistics, today we have left several settlements and a large piece of territory.

      It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would have demoted Lapin to the rank of private, would have deprived him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, would have sent him to the front lines to wash away my shame with blood.

      Army nepotism will not lead to good. In the army, it is necessary to appoint people of a strong character, courageous, principled, who worry about their fighters, who tear their teeth for their soldier, who know that a subordinate cannot be left without help and support. There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times.


      https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/2911
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 1 October 2022 17: 23
        +59
        Kadyrov says everything correctly, but on the Kremlin sidelines they wash each other's hands, hanging next regalia on occasion, and unfortunately no one will hear Ramzan.
        1. nikon7717
          nikon7717 1 October 2022 17: 31
          +8
          Somehow the situation is reminiscent of 1941 and the summer of 1942, when the generals, according to the experience of the civil war, fought until they were replaced, they did not give fullness to the new generation, nothing has changed
          1. ammunition
            ammunition 1 October 2022 17: 49
            +16
            Quote: nikon7717
            Somehow the situation is reminiscent of 1941 and the summer of 1942

            Sorry ! But the situation in principle different than in 1941. In all essence, it is different.
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 1 October 2022 19: 27
              +4
              Quote: ammunition
              Quote: nikon7717
              Somehow the situation is reminiscent of 1941 and the summer of 1942

              Sorry ! But the situation in principle different than in 1941. In all essence, it is different.

              Hat throwers are different, but the situation is similar.
            2. nedgen
              nedgen 1 October 2022 23: 43
              +9
              Quote: ammunition
              Quote: nikon7717
              Somehow the situation is reminiscent of 1941 and the summer of 1942

              Sorry ! But the situation in principle different than in 1941. In all essence, it is different.

              You are right that it is different. Now there is no one to change those stupid people who allowed the weakening of the Kharkov front. Those who supplied the policemen of Donbass to a minimum. There are those who FORBIDDEN to fight in full force. Those who do not pay attention to the antics of the Yusovites.
              In general, the situation is different. Now there are NO THOSE who could mobilize the economy, who could remove fools from their posts because they have high-ranking patrons. The military-industrial complex is generally in private hands and some of these hands are located abroad. Yes, the situation is much different. But in general there are similarities. For example, something that, just like then, eats commanders who cannot be trusted with a company, and not with divisions and corps. As well as then, a great shortage of modern weapons. And also, just as then, essentially the whole geyropa is fighting against Russia, although indirectly, but unlike in 1942, now the United States is also fighting against Russia.
              1. Sergey Kuzmin
                Sergey Kuzmin 2 October 2022 09: 40
                +5
                You are right that it is different. Now there is no one to change those stupid people who allowed the weakening of the Kharkov front. Those who supplied the policemen of Donbass to a minimum. There are those who FORBIDDEN to fight in full force. Those who do not pay attention to the antics of the Yusovites.
                In general, the situation is different. Now there are NO THOSE who could mobilize the economy, who could remove fools from their posts because they have high-ranking patrons.
                Until the Russian President puts on the military uniform of a belligerent Power and replaces the current serfs in his entourage with normal squires, until then the current nonsense will continue ... Zelensky is running around in a military protective T-shirt ... - a clown, but he realized that in a country at war the President should look like a soldier.
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                  1. nedgen
                    nedgen 2 October 2022 18: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: Mikulich
                    If Zelensky is a clown, Putin is a joke. Many people here humiliate Europe and Ukraine. Shame on you? It is also normal to respect the opponent.

                    And you UTB tell the Ukrainians. I hope they listen to you! laughing
                    And what about Europe, but how not to ridicule those who act according to the principle "I will burn my house so that my neighbor's barn burns down"? And it is the EU, led by Germany, and all this in the name of a better future for the United States. hi
            3. Sergey Zhikharev
              Sergey Zhikharev 1 October 2022 23: 55
              +4
              Closer Finnish war 1939-1940. Initial success turns into failure
              1. bayard
                bayard 2 October 2022 00: 34
                +4
                Closer - the beginning of WWI, when the greyhound offensive into East Prussia ended in defeat and the loss of everything achieved in the initial impulse.
                And the quality of the senior command staff is even worse than then. Including the supreme command.
                To begin with, it would be desirable to rid the country and the Army of an outstanding minister of defense - without a military education, who did not even serve as an urgent, but army general.
                1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                  Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 2 October 2022 07: 58
                  +1
                  In today's situation, he does not decide anything and remains a minister only so that our "friends" and the people are not convinced that everything is wrong!
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 2 October 2022 08: 15
                    +5
                    Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                    In today's situation, he does not decide anything and remains a minister only to

                    And then who decides there?
                    Gerasimov? With his "strategy for peacekeeping and counter-terrorist operations"? He has already planned / fought.
                    And who will be responsible for the practically absent rear?
                    Not a minister?
                    Or was the switchman "transferred to another job" and everything will continue to be high?
                    Will not .
                    And the people are no longer just convinced ... he (so far) has a quiet rage growing.
                    The fate of Nikola-2 is not an example for them?
                    Then only horns and hooves remained from the ruling class. Though the instinct of self-preservation did they still have? Or does one stomach occupy all the space?
                    1. Russian jacket
                      Russian jacket 2 October 2022 09: 15
                      +3
                      You are right about the stomach. Even the ass is more sensitive...
                    2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                      Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 2 October 2022 09: 21
                      +5
                      Read carefully and do not boil!

                      I simply stated that the minister is no different from other ministers of yesterday and today in Europe ... Balls, concerts, biathlons, the crunch of French bread ....
                      Estimate how many drones could be bought instead of the pretentious construction of what does not shoot today?

                      We devoted too much time and money not to what is needed in the war, and today we are slurping for it to the fullest!
                      Unfortunately, we looked at our army only through rose-colored glasses, and today we ask in surprise: where are our bulletproof vests, cartridges and machine guns?!?!?! Where is the satellite constellation? Where is the UAV? Where, in the end, are those who are able not only to report, but also to organize, conduct and win ???
                      And they are there, at the construction sites of what is undoubtedly necessary, but not timely: temples, new buildings of the Moscow Region, apartments for newly-minted generals and generals!

                      Now about the people: there is no need to rejoice that their rage is growing. Our people are the same as everyone else: they love to eat deliciously, sleep softly, don’t strain too much, and this is not their minus, this is a minus of our yesterday’s and today’s power!
                      It was she who, full of belching from lobsters and Clicquot, generously showered the people with other people's ideals and attitudes, other people's rites and justifications! and she succeeded!
                      Let's be honest, the Ukrainians, in thirty years, have turned their thirty-year-olds into our notorious enemies, and we have turned ours into soft-bodied, fat and weak-willed units of our society. Today they rush abroad with swift-footed deer, despite the spitting of humiliation and contempt! They don't care about us, Ukraine, the USA, Russia.... their own well-being is important to them, and where it happens, they don't care!

                      The same thing happened in our !!!!! army. I joined the troops with one young lieutenant. In the word "battalion" he made 100% mistakes - he called it a bunch of buggers. He didn’t distinguish himself and didn’t do anything except serve a barbecue to the inspectors and put a “signalman” under them. Thirty years passed and he!!! became a general ?!?!?!?
                      Fortunately, he did not stay long and for unrestrained drunkenness he was sent to a good and well-fed pension.
                      I am glad for one thing - a period has come when the Supreme, finally, was convinced that his "vertical" turned out to be very similar to a pig's penis, and he needs to change this as soon as possible. After all, not marshals and generalisimos of Ukraine are fighting with us, majors, lieutenant colonels and colonels are fighting with us ...
                      So it is necessary to give the right to command, form, recruit, train, advance, coordinate and use troops, OUR colonels, lieutenant colonels and majors of Russia !!!!
            4. nikon7717
              nikon7717 2 October 2022 00: 04
              +1
              Why write about similarity. In 1941, the Wehrmacht applied the tactics of blitzkrieg, high mechanization of the Voice, and optimization of communications. In recent years, the topic of UAVs has become topical, the example of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict with bayraktars showed the advantages of UAVs and new tactics. But again no conclusions were drawn for the conduct of the battle. Again the generals stepped on the rake in 1941 ...
          2. chetvertak
            chetvertak 1 October 2022 20: 46
            +4
            Not everything is as simple as you wrote! It is possible that their experience of the civil war has nothing to do with it.
            Voroshilov NPO USSR 19.10.36
            What did we see in the exercises of 1936? It must be said frankly, comrades, that our infantry does not know how to attack and does not want to apply itself to the terrain. The infantry offensive is carried out in the most primitive, antediluvian way. I saw infantry units advancing worse than partisan detachments advanced in 1918, which were trained in this art only during the battle.

            The vast majority of the infantry are unable to defend themselves against aircraft, they are not able to quickly dismember themselves on a campaign when aviation units appear. The infantry is very weakly (although not only she, but she in particular) is trained in defense.

            All this took place in all the districts where I had to be during military exercises and maneuvers this year, and we must get rid of all this at all costs. The infantry deserves to be taken seriously. No matter how many tank units, aviation, chemical and other means of combat we have, the infantry still remains the main and main type of weapon. Without infantry, neither tanks nor aircraft can fully solve their combat mission. Without a modern, truly organized, well-trained infantry, no army can manage.
          3. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 1 October 2022 20: 56
            0
            Quote: nikon7717
            Somehow the situation is reminiscent of 1941 and the summer of 1942, when the generals, from the experience of the civil war, fought until they were replaced


            ORDER BEARERS AND ORDENOPERS
            Quote: nikon7717
            ,
          4. ramzay21
            ramzay21 1 October 2022 21: 10
            +15
            The situation is reminiscent of 1905 and not 1941.
            In 1941, the army of all Europe opposed us and Stalin did not offer negotiations, shot the generals who allowed the defeat and did not wait seven months for the announcement of mobilization and also mobilized the entire industry, which the guarantor did not do until now after seven months. And for such control of the troops, under Stalin they would have shot half the General Staff and half of the generals, and from sensible senior officers they would have made generals who won the war.
            1. Sergey Drozdov
              Sergey Drozdov 1 October 2022 23: 00
              +2
              Drawing analogies with the 41st, comrades who use every opportunity to casually kick our great Soviet history ... No need, friends, 2,5 million real communists died there in the first year, in the absence of which the forefather came to power later rebuild the bald corn lover, the Trotskyist Nikita...
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            2. Ritter Runkel
              Ritter Runkel 1 October 2022 23: 34
              0
              Stimmt so nicht, die deutsche Armee müsste bedeutende Kräfte in Frankreich, Norwegen, Dänemark und Afrika stationieren, gegen Sowjetunion kamen 3 Millionen Deutsche zusammen. angry
        2. gromit
          gromit 1 October 2022 17: 44
          -31
          About how) And Kadyrov has nothing to do with it?
          It was not he who drowned for the war and spilled like a nightingale about tens of thousands of Chechens rushing to the front?
          It didn't work out, it didn't work out, Chocolate isn't to blame?
          Soon we will hear that the proud peoples of the Caucasus have always wanted only peace, and the evil Russians dragged them into the war)).
          1. flicker
            flicker 1 October 2022 18: 39
            +18
            About how) And Kadyrov has nothing to do with it?
            Don't worry like that. We will take your Kyiv. yes
          2. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 1 October 2022 18: 41
            +19
            What didn't work? He already sent several thousand fighters. The fact of the matter is that he drowned for the war and not for purple jelly.
            1. gromit
              gromit 1 October 2022 19: 49
              +9
              But the Pskov and Ryazan regions did not send several thousand fighters?
              But I have not heard the leaders of these regions say that "there will be no mobilization, we have fulfilled the plan by 250%,"
              Kadyrov has become a systemic truth-seeker. And to change the Azov people - betrayal and a breakthrough of the front - betrayal and Lapin is a coward and a traitor ....
              But who is so friendly with the Saudis, who became intermediaries in the exchange?
              And somehow it's embarrassing to blame those who were there for breaking through the front, when your own troops suddenly found themselves on "vacation at home."
              Like victories, so the padishah shines there. And like a desperate defense, so SOBR, LEOPARDS, LDNR, motorized rifles with paratroopers ...
              Well, in almost a week, he didn’t gather his National Guard and defend Liman? During the storming of Mariupol, his bearded men got into all television frames, with or without reason.
              1. flicker
                flicker 1 October 2022 22: 30
                0
                But the Pskov and Ryazan regions did not send several thousand fighters?
                Did not send.
                Kadyrov became a systemic truth-seeker
                you Ukrainians do not need to worry about Kadyrov.
                Soon everything will be sorted out and Kadyrov and Lapin will continue to destroy Ukrainian fascists together. yes
          3. Amper
            Amper 1 October 2022 20: 30
            +7
            what can 10 fighters decide when they are confronted by 100+ advanced weapons? This is another level! This is not shooting in the green, this is a global war, a different level, a completely different one! negative And we (or rather the Kremlin) were not ready for it request
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 1 October 2022 17: 55
          +25
          Brusilov was in the First World War, Zhukov was in the Second World War, and now even ...... the guarantor has talent in creating a team of stupid, but executive and thieving.
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            2. levfuks
              levfuks 1 October 2022 20: 07
              +4
              Quote: Donhofleo
              enemies..

              In situations like this, you can't be silent. The enemies lie, lick, or simply remain silent.
              Words are at odds with reality.
              The bitter truth is better.
            3. Amper
              Amper 1 October 2022 20: 33
              +4
              Seen from EP!? PRP! Yours will be trampled on just like everyone else. You will be the first in line to hell. am
        4. chetvertak
          chetvertak 1 October 2022 17: 55
          +22
          Vwiki read about this Lapin! His son in 2022 became a lieutenant colonel and commander of the 1st Guards Tank Regiment of the 2nd Guards Motorized Rifle Division On March 29, 2022, Alexander Lapin awarded his son, who led the unsuccessful attack on the Ukrainian Sumy and Chernihiv
          Wow! We urgently need to take away the leadership of the NWO from the General Staff, and create a headquarters, or appoint Kadyrovtsev, and LDNRovtsev there
          And even better! close, seal the entire GSH
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            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 1 October 2022 22: 28
              -2
              One small problem, the sealer needs to grow back. Where did she grow up from? Well, I’m wondering, patriots of Ukraine like you did everything to bury their state, and first split it, as a former fellow citizen I say.
          2. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 1 October 2022 18: 30
            +15
            Quote from: hetvertak
            It is urgent to take away the leadership of the NVO from the General Staff, and create a headquarters, or appoint Kadyrovtsev, and LDNRovtsev there
            And even better! close, seal the entire GSH

            Nifiga! To their front, to the front! There is nothing to sit in Moscow and cling badges to each other for the exploits of fighters at the front!
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 1 October 2022 18: 40
              -6
              Quote: Starover_Z
              To their front, to the front! There is nothing to sit in Moscow and cling badges to each other for the exploits of fighters at the front!

              "Tov." "Mr. l-nt" when are you flying out to Lapin to take business?
              1. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 1 October 2022 22: 21
                -2
                Quote: Lara Croft
                "Tov." "Mr. l-nt" when are you flying out to Lapin to take business?

                And what, they already removed it and deal with it?
                And I would not refuse, but I have a completely different VUS.
                After demobilization, in order to enter it into my military ID, the military enlistment office spent more than 15 minutes delving into the reference book.
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 1 October 2022 22: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Starover_Z
                  And what, they already removed it and deal with it?

                  And then you send everyone to what front, I just don’t know, maybe we have Fronts ....

                  ... another VUS. After demobilization, in order to enter it into my military ID, the military enlistment office spent more than 15 minutes delving into the reference book.

                  It's strange, but my VUS was in the combat department of my military unit entered during the passage of military service ...
                  Or did you write your VUS only in the military registration and enlistment office for the first time in a military man, and before that you went all the service without a VUS?
                  It is a sin to deceive good and gullible members of the forum ....
                  Of course, you have a large flock of jackals, so there is no point in discussing your nonsense written by you above ....
          3. Munhausen
            Munhausen 1 October 2022 18: 34
            +9
            Quote from: hetvertak
            And even better! close, seal the entire GSH

            Put them in a wagon and send them to the front line to fight with what they have and as they themselves had planned before
          4. gromit
            gromit 1 October 2022 19: 52
            -2
            Maybe listen to Lapin's version first?
            1. ALARI
              ALARI 1 October 2022 20: 32
              +3
              You can listen, just guess who he will blame
              1. Yourself
              2. Upstream
              3. Downline
              4. Ukrainians, NATO, EU.
              I don't expect a rhetorical answer.
              1. gromit
                gromit 1 October 2022 21: 19
                +1
                Do not wait in vain. What if it turns out that he has long been reporting an impending threat and demanding reinforcements or permission to withdraw?
                And neither one nor the other was given to him for political reasons?
                What a joke if the same citizen demanded to hold positions and refused to mobilize, concerned about saving face and supporting the electorate?
                And it's not Lapin)
                1. ALARI
                  ALARI 1 October 2022 21: 23
                  0
                  That's why I gave him 4 options, the choice is his. But I think he'll be quiet.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 1 October 2022 22: 42
                    0
                    Quote: ALARI
                    But I think he'll be quiet.

                    Will do it right. There are many blessed ones here in VO, every second fancies himself a military tribunal rolled into one ...
                    While the entrusted troops of Lapin went forward, they seemed to be happy with everything and the genius of military art comrade. Kadyrov and forum users from VO ....
                    1. ALARI
                      ALARI 2 October 2022 10: 24
                      -1
                      They were all happy when he advanced eastward from the Sumy of Kyiv and Chernigov.
                2. chetvertak
                  chetvertak 1 October 2022 22: 39
                  -1
                  I read Pavlov’s case on the Internet! I don’t remember the exact question! The investigator asked who gave the order something like that. Pavlov answered: I will answer this question in the presence of 4 people. The investigator did not ask this question again
                  1. chetvertak
                    chetvertak 1 October 2022 23: 14
                    -1
                    The first comment about Pavlov is not correct!
                    I knew that the enemy was about to move out, but I was assured from Moscow that everything was in order, and I was ordered to be calm and not panic. I can't name the person who told me this.
                    In the first interrogation, Pavlov named Tymoshenko
                    Source: https://liewar.ru/content/view/178
                3. Living7111972
                  Living7111972 1 October 2022 23: 50
                  -1
                  He could at least assemble the BTG team from the rear and try to slow down the pace of the offensive. But no help was provided to the troops.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 2 October 2022 17: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: sala7111972
                    He could at least assemble the BTG team from the rear and try to slow down the pace of the offensive.

                    Slow down the pace of the offensive of two tank groups consisting of tank, motorized and infantry divisions - a battle tactical group equipped with rear forces (and even REMBAMs)? Your comment is the most frostbitten of all the time while I'm on VO ...
              2. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 2 October 2022 18: 50
                0
                Quote: ALARI
                You can listen, just guess who he will blame
                1. Yourself
                2. Upstream
                3. Downline
                4. Ukrainians, NATO, EU.
                I don't expect a rhetorical answer.

                Of course downline. He will say that they did not give me reserves, and those troops that are subordinate to him are poorly trained and do not know how to fight.
          5. alexmach
            alexmach 1 October 2022 20: 56
            +1
            unsuccessful attack on the Ukrainian Sumy and Chernihiv

            And what was there that was unsuccessful in Sumy and Chernigov?
            The amounts were simply taken without a fight. Chernihiv was blocked on the third day of the operation. And we went further. True, the possibility of communication with the city remained there until the withdrawal of troops from it, and reinforcements came inside. Well, there was a detachment of forces at the checkpoints on the roads, but they could not block traffic in the fields.
        5. flicker
          flicker 1 October 2022 18: 02
          -8
          Kadyrov says everything is right, but on the Kremlin sidelines they wash each other's hands
          Maybe somewhere and someone is washing, but the wave should not be dispersed. They'll figure it out.
          Рекомендую: https://www.discred.ru/2022/09/12/german-sadulaev-spasti-generala-lapina/?ysclid=l8q1gd2vvz967109410
          If anything from there:
          what Stalin wrote to Comrade Mekhlis on May 9, 1942: “You demand that we replace Kozlov (commander of the Crimean Front - G.S.) with someone like Hindenburg. But you can't help but know that we don't have Hindenburgs in reserve." Such subtle sarcasm. And when we left Sevastopol to the Germans, the command staff was evacuated in a submarine. It was a difficult and strange decision. After all, including the commanders were responsible for the disaster. But for one beaten they give two unbeaten. The rescued commanders then fought. And certainly contributed to the Victory. And it is easy to liquidate the command staff: shoot, quit or fire. But who will fight? And who will be in charge?
          1. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 1 October 2022 18: 53
            +11
            Lapin can be blamed for the Limansky episode, but who will be responsible for the working Ukrainian logistics, largely thanks to which the Kharkov failure took place as a whole.
            1. levfuks
              levfuks 1 October 2022 20: 22
              +2
              who will be responsible for the working Ukrainian logistics, largely thanks to which the Kharkiv failure took place as a whole.

              Is it a question? Rhetorical? I think you know the answer. Lapina I don't know.
              If, those who really know, start telling the truth live ...
              From all this "cooperation" it already smells really bad.
            2. flicker
              flicker 1 October 2022 21: 24
              -3
              Lapin can be blamed for the Liman episode
              It can and should.

              Another thing, we do not know if he asked for reserves and to whom these reserves are subordinate.
              Why did the reserves begin to be brought into battle so late.

              took place as a whole Kharkov failure.

              At the expense of the Kharkov failure, a lot of things happened there, including the "working Ukrainian logistics" played an important role - shorter than ours.
              The main blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was preparing in the south. Kharkov direction was distracting. We did not fall for him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, seeing this, regrouped forces from the south there, and we could not resist.
              There are other reasons, which we will find out a little later.
              ---
              And Lapin must answer, since it was his front. Whether he himself was to blame or who helped, I hope they will also find out.
              1. skeptick2
                skeptick2 1 October 2022 21: 45
                0
                Quote: flicker
                The main blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was preparing in the south. Kharkov direction was distracting. We did not fall for him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, seeing this, regrouped forces from the south there, and we could not resist.

                Or maybe everything was exactly the opposite?
                Kherson direction was distracting? And we fell for it? And the main blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was prepared near Kharkov?
                Here is the answer to this question immediately removes absolutely all other questions related to the Kharkov defeat. Including "who is to blame? why? how could this happen," etc.
                1. flicker
                  flicker 1 October 2022 22: 20
                  -5
                  Or maybe everything was exactly the opposite?
                  Come on, tell me what was the main thing there, what was distracting, I love fairy tales from wide Ukrainians.
                  1. skeptick2
                    skeptick2 1 October 2022 23: 00
                    +3
                    I love fairy tales from Konashenkov even more, but this is a matter of taste.
                    And on this resource, all sober-minded people are immediately ranked as "broad Ukrainians"? Or selectively?
                    1. flicker
                      flicker 2 October 2022 14: 57
                      -1
                      are sober-minded people immediately ranked as "wide Ukrainians"? Or selectively?
                      Why were you included?
                      Well, you can’t be classified as sober-minded.
                      Let me tell you, the sharovarniks have a special style. yes
                2. chetvertak
                  chetvertak 1 October 2022 23: 23
                  -2
                  In general, Lapin took information from the Internet! From bloggers
              2. chetvertak
                chetvertak 1 October 2022 23: 30
                +2
                Like Pavlov! But all the same, the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a great operation under the supervision of MI-6 and the Pentagon. So if we were behind Lapin’s place, then we were just as led. , the main goal was the border with the Republic of Belarus, and Donetsk, Luhansk
            3. Alt 22
              Alt 22 2 October 2022 08: 13
              0
              Have you heard that a military enlistment office was bombed in Ukraine? Not? So I didn’t hear ... NOT A SINGLE military registration and enlistment office was destroyed.
          2. Horn
            Horn 1 October 2022 18: 59
            +11
            It was Stalin. Not the leader of the Siberian Cranes, but Stalin. Do not confuse
            1. flicker
              flicker 1 October 2022 21: 28
              -4
              It was Stalin.
              That's just when he had to fight off the banks of the Volga, if anything.
              1. Sergey Zhikharev
                Sergey Zhikharev 1 October 2022 23: 45
                +6
                That's just against him was the best (at that time) army in the world.
                1. flicker
                  flicker 2 October 2022 15: 07
                  0
                  That's just against him was the best (at that time) army in the world

                  And during the Soviet-Finnish war?
                  Stalin was an outstanding person (I don’t even dispute this), but even under him there were many problems in the Red Army that had to be solved already during the war.
                  1. Sergey Zhikharev
                    Sergey Zhikharev 2 October 2022 16: 30
                    0
                    During the Finnish, the Wehrmacht did not fight against the Red Army, and the Red Army did not retreat to Petrazavodsk / Leningrad. Yes, after the victory at Khalchingol (analogous to Syria?!) and the invasion of Poland (analogous to Crimea?!), it was unpleasant to realize that something had gone wrong. But the USSR, when not ready to wage war with Finland (many preparations were not noticed, and even so the attack was not well received in the USSR), quickly gathered. But Russia is rocking...
          3. chetvertak
            chetvertak 1 October 2022 19: 11
            0
            Mezhlis Stalin sent to fix everything, but he wrote complaints, but he didn’t know how to fix it
            1. flicker
              flicker 1 October 2022 21: 35
              +1
              Mezhlis Stalin sent
              That is how
              Crimean Front, Comrade Mehlis:

              I received your cipher No. 254. You hold on to the strange position of an outside observer who is not responsible for the affairs of the Crimean Front. This position is very convenient, but it is rotten through and through. On the Crimean front, you are not an outside observer, but a responsible representative of the Headquarters, responsible for all the successes and failures of the front and obliged to correct the mistakes of the command on the spot. You, together with the command, are responsible for the fact that the left flank of the front turned out to be extremely weak. If "the whole situation showed that the enemy would attack in the morning," and you did not take all measures to organize a rebuff, limiting yourself to passive criticism, then so much the worse for you. So, you still have not understood that you were sent to the Crimean Front not as the State Control, but as a responsible representative of the Headquarters. You are demanding that we replace Kozlov with someone like Hindenburg. But you must know that we do not have Hindenburgs in reserve. Your affairs in the Crimea are not difficult, and you could handle them yourself. If you used attack aircraft not for side affairs, but against enemy tanks and manpower, the enemy would not break through the front and the tanks would not pass. You don't have to be a Hindenburg to understand this simple thing while sitting on the Crimean Front for 2 months.


              STALIN. Central Committee of the CPSU (b)
              9.V.42 g.


              So all these advisers like: Mehlis and Hindenburg should be sent to hell.
          4. chetvertak
            chetvertak 1 October 2022 20: 57
            +1
            Act on the reception of the People's Commissariat of Defense of the USSR Timoshenko S. K. from Voroshilov K. E. 1939
            2. The People's Commissariat of Defense has not yet eliminated the following shortcomings of the mobilization plan, revealed during the partial mobilization in September 1939:

            a) the extreme neglect of the inventory of military-liable reserves, since the inventory has not been carried out since 1927;
            b) the lack of a single record of those liable for military service and the existence of a separate special record of railway workers, water transport and the NKVD;
            c) the weakness and lack of work of the military commissariats;
            d) lack of priority in the mobilization of units, which led to an overload of the first days of mobilization;
            e) the unreality of plans for the deployment of troops during mobilization;
            f) the unreality of the plan for the supply of uniforms during mobilization;
            g) the unevenness of the rise in the mobilization of persons liable for military service, horse-drawn personnel and motor vehicles;
            h) the absence of a firmly established order in the reservation of labor for wartime;
            i) the unreality and unsatisfactory state of registration of horses, carts, harnesses and vehicles.

            3. Among the reserves liable for military service are 3 untrained people. The People's Commissariat of Defense has no training plan for them. Among the trained personnel are registered military reserves with insufficient training and in a number of specialties, the mobilization need for specialists is not covered. The People's Commissariat of Defense also does not have a plan to retrain specialists and retrain poorly trained personnel.

            4. Manuals on mobilization work in the troops and military registration and enlistment offices, recognized as obsolete, have not been revised.
            1. Horn
              Horn 2 October 2022 06: 30
              +1
              Nothing changed. Only now employees of military enlistment offices have the opportunity to play solitaire games on computers
        6. AAK
          AAK 1 October 2022 18: 32
          -3
          Now His Serene Highness will not raise his hand on "shoulder straps", otherwise he will no longer be protected from "Pinocchio", and now the gas pipelines have been blown up, mobilization has begun, "Pinocchio" have begun to squeeze a little for money ...
        7. AdAstra
          AdAstra 1 October 2022 19: 29
          0
          He says that he is correct, but Kadyrov is generally from the same pool, and as a whole general of the guard, he could somehow influence before, and not speak after.
          1. chetvertak
            chetvertak 1 October 2022 21: 15
            +3
            If he could get in touch with Chief General Staff Gerasimov! Then why didn’t he contact VVP or his deputies through the Presidential Administration? He could contact through Shoigu. After what Kadyrov wrote, and it became known to all of us, neither Shoigu, nor the same labukh Gerasimov and Lapin will be able to get away from this text. Everything was revealed! Kadyrov handed them over! Something must happen in the General Staff
            1. gsev
              gsev 2 October 2022 14: 28
              0
              Quote from: hetvertak
              Then why didn’t he contact the GDP or his deputies through the Presidential Administration?

              Kadyrov relied on Gerasimov's words.
        8. DemikSPb
          DemikSPb 1 October 2022 20: 37
          +3
          But Kadyrov is also from the Kremlin lobby...
          1. AdAstra
            AdAstra 1 October 2022 21: 38
            0
            Here I am about the same thing and he is allowed more than other governors and he can influence more, and not say that now we are "simple" and so we say.
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      2. Ronrew
        Ronrew 1 October 2022 17: 30
        +41
        I am extremely ambivalent about Ramzan Kadyrov, but in this case everything is absolutely right, it's time to change something or someone in the General Staff.
        1. gromit
          gromit 1 October 2022 17: 47
          +7
          And I treat him unequivocally. A talented politician and populist who does not miss a single opportunity to expand his influence. Whether in victory or defeat. He just tells us what we want to hear.
          1. AdAstra
            AdAstra 1 October 2022 19: 32
            -2
            You are right and you need to say before, not after.
            1. vfkuk
              vfkuk 2 October 2022 12: 02
              0
              If we talk about the surrender of Liman, then this is "after". And if about the surrender of the next city, then this is "before"
          2. ALARI
            ALARI 1 October 2022 20: 35
            0
            And whoever speaks differently, politicians always say so, but not many speak populism but the truth.
        2. Bioorganism
          Bioorganism 1 October 2022 18: 10
          -13
          And it seems to me that he is just working slowly for the collapse of Russia. He wants to become an independent president of something, such as the Caucasus.
          He proposes to arrange an atomic war. In response, the US may respond too strongly. And it will become inconvenient for China and India to cover the Russian Federation.
          1. Deon59
            Deon59 1 October 2022 18: 17
            +1
            Not only Chechens live in the Caucasus. And who is advocating the collapse of Russia here
            1. Bioorganism
              Bioorganism 1 October 2022 18: 23
              -7
              So I'm not talking about those who are here. I'm talking about Kadyrov.
          2. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 1 October 2022 18: 45
            +5
            In the event of a collapse, no one will become independent, this is clear to any eccentric.
          3. gsev
            gsev 2 October 2022 14: 36
            0
            Quote from Bioorganism
            He proposes to arrange an atomic war. In response, the US may respond too strongly.

            If we hit Ukraine hard, the US will not respond. The weakness of Kadyrov's words is that he proposes to use single low-yield nuclear charges. If it is customary to launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine, then the entire Western Ukraine must be demolished with the very first strike. That is, within a few hours, 30-50 cities in Western Ukraine should be destroyed. China does not need the collapse of Russia and its transition under NATO control. China has practically solved the problem with Western supplies to Russia. There are even auto parts in Russia, although it was predicted that by June the Russian economy would be in a stupor due to the lack of components and spare parts. It's just that the PRC will not invest its resources if it sees that the leadership of St. Petersburg is more concerned about buying the most expensive Christmas tree, and Chelyabinsk to spend as much money as possible on firecrackers.
        3. Donhofleo
          Donhofleo 1 October 2022 18: 20
          -13
          Did you serve in the army Denis? Well, so that everyone understands. You apparently claim to be the head of the General Staff. ?
          1. notingem
            notingem 1 October 2022 20: 06
            +3
            Of course, we pretend. Zadolbali Beavis and Bathet in one bottle
        4. tun5t
          tun5t 1 October 2022 23: 53
          +3
          it’s time to change the supreme one - his motivation is ZERO - what can we say about the headquarters, they see that the fish is rotting from the head, our grandfathers, great-grandfathers knew that thanks to Stalin they managed to survive, because he sacrificed everything for the sake of victory. such things we have now - a shame
      3. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 1 October 2022 17: 49
        +29
        Kadyrov has been signaling since spring that the methods (and, as a result, the pace) of conducting the NWO (military restrictions, humanitarian pauses, gestures of goodwill, negotiations) cause him bewilderment. The same Kadyrov said that the problem of the shortage of the army can be solved at the expense of millions of various security officials. They, at a minimum, have skills in handling weapons and the appropriate Physical training and military service behind their backs.
        The fact is, we need a more toothy smart elite, we are already tired of talking about the fact that only a consolidated society / military economy can defeat Nazism, otherwise we will roll back to the Garden Ring.
        I consider the statements of the NATO general about the identified weaknesses of Putin as a bad signal. The general was probably right, weaknesses are costly.

        Prilepin:

        In Russia now everything should be different. It is clear that nothing changes in an instant. But in a month I would like in the best sense: not to know my country.
        Because only a new country will give new victories at the front. The old one did everything she could.
        She did a lot. But its limits were visible. We saw them.
        We saw peacetime economics, peacetime culture, peacetime governors and even peacetime generals.
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 1 October 2022 19: 34
          +2
          As for the security forces, then you go to the nearest police department and ask about the shortage, as well as the number of women in staffed positions.
        2. levfuks
          levfuks 1 October 2022 20: 33
          0
          An interesting quote by Prilepin. Only COUNTRY needs to be replaced with STATE.
          Specific names are annoying. One gets the impression that "agreement" was originally meant.
          And without a NATO general, "genius" has long been understood.
      4. Konnick
        Konnick 1 October 2022 18: 02
        +1
        The situation described by Kadyrov is reminiscent of the battles near Rzhev in early February 42. Then Stalin, by his order, demanded the direct presence of the commander of the Kalinin Front, Konev, at the breakthrough site of the Reich division. At Konev, the front headquarters was 80 km from the front line, in Kuvshinovo. At the same time, General Model flew almost every day on Storch to the front line. Well, General Lapin with his headquarters 120 km from the front outdid Konev.
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          1. Konnick
            Konnick 1 October 2022 19: 07
            +2
            Therefore, a magnificent monument was erected ......

            He was invited to bookmark the memorial and asked why the place was chosen in the very center of the German positions, and not where the battles were? The Deputy Governor of the Tver Region shrugged his shoulders...
        2. chetvertak
          chetvertak 1 October 2022 19: 26
          0
          Lapin knew that he was a mediocrity, hiding behind his rank and position. There was no way to give up leadership.! Therefore, he was sitting in Lugansk 120 km from the front. Stalin had an order that if those below in rank see the current situation differently than his boss, then he can do not execute it. But no one executed this order. I read it on the Internet, but I remember vaguely
        3. ramzay21
          ramzay21 1 October 2022 21: 25
          +1
          The situation described by Kadyrov is reminiscent of the battles near Rzhev in early February 42

          The situation with Lapin is reminiscent of 1939, when the Japanese army invaded Mongolia and a separate corps of the Red Army fought unsuccessfully at Kholkin Gol, and the command was hundreds of kilometers away. Therefore, there Stalin sent an unknown young commander Zhukov, who quickly figured out the situation and reported to Stalin, who immediately removed all command and appointed Zhukov.
          A few months later, the world recognized the commander Zhukov, whom Stalin appointed commander of the Kyiv Special Military District from among the commanders, bypassing the commander.
      5. Gardamir
        Gardamir 1 October 2022 18: 04
        +13
        In 2022, during the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine, he commands the Russian Central Military District. Lapin awarded the Zhukov medal to his own son, who led the attack on Sumy and Chernigov. The BBC noted that the television story about the award came out during the retreat of Russian troops from these regions.

        Lapin has experience in retreats.
      6. flicker
        flicker 1 October 2022 18: 04
        -11
        Kadyrov may not know everything. You need to be patient. Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
        In the meantime, I recommend: https://t.me/ChDambiev/19769
        1. Deon59
          Deon59 1 October 2022 18: 19
          +7
          And by autumn, ours will retreat to advantageous positions near the walls of the Kremlin. I wonder how many people from the country's leadership with machine guns will go to defend the Kremlin
          1. flicker
            flicker 1 October 2022 18: 43
            -9
            And by autumn, ours will retreat to advantageous positions near the walls of the Kremlin
            Nuclear countries don't lose wars.
            As a last resort, we will use nuclear weapons to start against London, and then we will look at the situation.
            Ukraine will definitely no longer be yes
            1. Horn
              Horn 1 October 2022 19: 06
              +10
              Putin will not use vigorous bonbu. Pissing. And friends, whose money, in fact, his money, will not give. So far, all this is very similar to the struggle of the Nanai boys. Agreement. To reduce the number of the most combat-ready people.
              1. levfuks
                levfuks 1 October 2022 20: 54
                +1
                Pissing.

                Will express concern.
                Quote: Horn
                Agreement.

                The farther, the less text from the "brilliant".
              2. flicker
                flicker 2 October 2022 14: 52
                -2
                And friends, whose money, in fact, his money, will not give.
                You really made me laugh laughing
                What money, what friends?
                Nobody thinks about them now - the price is higher.
                Putin will not use vigorous bonbu
                The bomb may not be used, but the YARS is quite yes
                Do not even hesitate.
            2. Deon59
              Deon59 1 October 2022 19: 27
              +3
              We are not the leadership of the country. And the Guarantor here cannot arrange an energy collapse in Ukraine, and you are talking about nuclear weapons, the gut is thin. Our Guarantor, like a gopnik from around the corner, fired without looking, but not there
            3. Alt 22
              Alt 22 2 October 2022 08: 21
              +3
              Dooo, nuclear countries such as Putin's Russian Federation (not to be confused with Russia) - losing Kupyansk, Izyum, Balakleya, Yampol, Krasny Liman - and what's next on the list, Severodonetsk? Lisichansk? Sands? Or maybe Melitopol or Kherson?
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      7. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 1 October 2022 18: 18
        +9
        There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times.
        Here's the top just looks like nepotism alone.
        1. chetvertak
          chetvertak 1 October 2022 20: 34
          -1
          It is necessary to clean nepotism in the General Staff in the first place! From the traitors Gerasimov and Lapin and his son, a rope will be pulled to others. It was she who was pierced by a failure near Kharkov and Liman and near Kyiv, in front of the people. and relatives in Rosoboronexport
      8. DemikSPb
        DemikSPb 1 October 2022 20: 33
        +1
        There is an opinion that Kadyrov is slandering General Lapin.
        https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1160997
    2. Anachoret
      Anachoret 1 October 2022 17: 32
      +40
      All these figures and statistics “how many were killed and how many were knocked out” are multiplied by zero with two words “Liman surrendered”. It's like after a fight with a broken muzzle and broken teeth to brag about "you should have seen another" ...
      I wonder what the former Hero of Russia, Private Lapin, thinks about this? Or is everything fine, according to the plan, and is he still a general?
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 1 October 2022 17: 45
        +33
        I don’t watch or listen at all, where and how much was destroyed. These are words, and words are just sound! I look at RESULT and the result is BAD.
        1. flicker
          flicker 1 October 2022 18: 46
          -13
          I look at the RESULT, but the result is BAD
          The result is NOT bad, but good, another thing is that it could be much better.
          1. levfuks
            levfuks 1 October 2022 20: 58
            +6
            Quote: flicker
            The result is NOT bad, but good

            Though pissing in the eyes - all God's dew. (Folk wisdom)
        2. skeptick2
          skeptick2 1 October 2022 19: 05
          +5
          Quote: maiman61
          I don’t watch or listen at all, where and how much was destroyed. These are words, and words are just sound! I look at RESULT and the result is BAD.

          Yes, but what words! Download! Especially the ending - near Kupyansk, the PVD of the 14th brigade of the enemy was liquidated ... it is reported that more than 50 militants and 12 pieces of equipment were destroyed ... more than 270 militants were liquidated in the Nikolaev region. Also, 23 armored combat vehicles, 11 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, 11 army vehicles were destroyed ... enemy losses are reported in the Novopol region of the DPR, where he lost over 100 people with "two hundredth" and "three hundredth" ... in the area of ​​​​the city of Zaporizhzhia, a division was defeated 65th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a result of the strike, two HIMARS MLRS were destroyed (but how many of them does the Armed Forces of Ukraine have? We destroy them every day, but there are no fewer of them). The ending is a feast for the eyes, it makes all the sense.
          And the fact that Lyman is lost is so, trifles.
          1. AdAstra
            AdAstra 1 October 2022 19: 37
            +3
            The Kraken is just not enough. """""
          2. Procopius Nesterov
            Procopius Nesterov 1 October 2022 20: 12
            -1
            As a result of the strike, two HIMARS MLRS were destroyed (but how many of them do the Armed Forces of Ukraine have? We destroy them every day, but they do not become smaller)
            Right every day? You have summary statistics. Looked you are simply deceiving. https://www.interfax-russia.ru/tag/16594
            1. skeptick2
              skeptick2 1 October 2022 21: 54
              0
              Some people find it hard to catch irony, it happens.
              Well, if you are such a literalist that you cling to every figure, I will now post Konashenkov's victorious reports, they are at my fingertips. On the number of destroyed Ukrainian tanks, aircraft, helicopters, MLRS, OTRK, artillery, according to the loss of l / s. with exact numbers. Will you be ashamed of Konashenkov?
          3. flicker
            flicker 1 October 2022 21: 03
            -5
            The estuary is lost - that's right, trifles.
            A trifle.
            From an operational point of view - a trifle.
            When they took it, I don’t even remember, it certainly was without pathos.
            But when they lost it, there was so much howling, it was a universal catastrophe.
            1. skeptick2
              skeptick2 1 October 2022 22: 03
              +3
              You know, let's leave operational forecasts and their significance for the future. As I suggested a couple of days ago.
              I'm looking at the map right now and I see that Torskoye is now in exactly the same position as Liman was yesterday. And with his fall from above, it will already be inconvenient to talk about operational trifles. And Svatovo and Severodonetsk may be uncomfortable in the truest sense of the word. Without any hint of efficiency.
              As for the noise... Who would have noticed the loss of one Liman? But after the "regrouping" near Kharkov, another "regrouping" (and the next one is already looming on the horizon) - sorry. I don't have the slightest reason to be excited.
              By the way, what is there under Borovoye? Is there any reliable info?
              1. flicker
                flicker 1 October 2022 22: 17
                -3
                I don't have the slightest reason to be excited.
                You will never have them, since Ukraine still has a year to live at the most. yes
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 1 October 2022 17: 57
        +16
        Quote: Anchorite
        Or is everything fine, according to the plan, and is he still a general?

        And the "best" minister of defense, the builder Shoigu, is still a minister and continues to hold song and dance contests.
        1. flicker
          flicker 1 October 2022 18: 47
          -7
          The Minister of Defense is an official, he does not have to be a military man.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 1 October 2022 18: 49
            +11
            Quote: flicker
            The Minister of Defense is an official, he does not have to be a military man.

            But the title was given to him, only you can’t sew a conscience along with shoulder straps.
            1. flicker
              flicker 1 October 2022 21: 05
              -5
              The title to him as the Minister of Defense is simply put.
              What about his conscience?
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 1 October 2022 21: 06
                +3
                Quote: flicker
                The title to him as the Minister of Defense is simply put.
                What about his conscience?

                I don't know, maybe it's okay, if it's still in its place. Yes, but what about just an official? You contradict yourself. Perhaps also an official?
          2. levfuks
            levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 02
            +1
            Quote: flicker
            this is an official

            Correctly. The head of the minister does not have to be an official. For a long time.
            1. flicker
              flicker 1 October 2022 22: 22
              -1
              The head of the minister does not have to be an official
              What kind of nonsense?
      3. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 1 October 2022 17: 57
        +20
        And what does the Supreme Commander-in-Chief think, for whose political reasons the fuel crisis has resolved in Ukraine, but the logistics crisis has not yet begun. I don’t want to remember about gestures of goodwill, humanitarian pauses, etc.
        1. levfuks
          levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 11
          0
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          thinks

          "Quite often, people with mediocre mental abilities think that they are smarter than everyone else. Scientists have conducted experiments and found an explanation for this interesting and strange fact. A common phenomenon when stupid people have inflated conceit is called the Dunning-Kruger effect ..."
          (Quote)
    3. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 1 October 2022 18: 00
      +9
      The thoughts are sad and quite definite.
      I don’t remember that the Order of the People’s Commissar of Defense of the USSR No. 227 of July 28, 1942 was canceled.
      The time has come to bring this order back to the military.
      Or re-publish.

      R.A. Special thanks to Kadyrov for his civic position in especially difficult conditions.
      1. chetvertak
        chetvertak 1 October 2022 19: 37
        0
        Only this order should be corrected in the direction of the General Staff, MO. But mediocrity cannot be cured. Only a false detector can show who is mediocrity and who is not in the General Staff. Recruit 100 specialists of false detectors, by virtue of mediocrity and lead the generals to questions
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 1 October 2022 18: 01
      +18
      Only one question - why did we, with such aplomb, accept 4 former terrestrial formations of Ukraine into Russia, so that today, in fact and in fact, escape from the Russian city of Krasny Lyman? In the Great Patriotic War, for every meter of their native land, they clung with their teeth, but here they simply "withdrew to advantageous positions" !!! Will we at least stop beyond the Urals? It's time to restore the death penalty, and publicly, in front of the troops, shoot those who surrender our lands! There now they will arrange such a massacre, our Russian citizens will be massively exterminated, and here are "advantageous positions" !!!! Shameful! !!!!!!
      1. Deon59
        Deon59 1 October 2022 18: 23
        +8
        This is all to increase the rating. You think Putin is thinking about ordinary people. You are deeply mistaken. The other day they took a guy for mobilization, he is 20 years old, he came with an emergency for three months. Parents spent 30 thousand on equipment.
        1. levfuks
          levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 15
          +3
          Quote from Deon59
          to improve the rating

          2 more deadlines until the next reset. And rating him by. Will draw.
        2. tun5t
          tun5t 2 October 2022 00: 05
          0
          Nicholas 2 also thought about ordinary people, was worried when the revolution was in full swing ... as a result, the country and the family and himself were ruined ... why sit in power when there has long been no motivation to wet mice in the sart? young and assertive in a crisis, he can, and now his wife has long gone and he himself is neither this nor that, PR in a word, let Putin take up a peaceful life!
      2. flicker
        flicker 1 October 2022 18: 51
        -5
        In the Great Patriotic War, they clung with their teeth for every meter of their native land, but here they simply "withdrew to advantageous positions"
        Come on. During the Second World War, we probably left a quarter of the country.
        Moreover, they lost the battle near Kharkov (were surrounded), which allowed the Wehrmacht to advance to the Volga.
      3. YanniKounnar
        YanniKounnar 1 October 2022 22: 02
        0
        Facile à dire depuis son canapé, auriez vous préféré que ces 4/5000 défenseurs de Lyman s'accrochent avec leurs dents jusqu'à être tous tués ?
        Il vaut mieux les sauver, ils seront bien plus utiles vivants que morts accrochés au sol de la ville.

        It's easy to say from your couch, would you rather have those 4/5000 Lyman defenders bite into them until they're all dead?
        It is better to save them, they will be much more useful alive than dead, hanging on city soil.
    5. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 18: 37
      +14
      I read that there is a video of our fighters leaving the convoy from Liman being shot from artillery. That is why everything is hushed up about LDNR losses, showing us funny pictures
      No words! betrayal of all the generals by their mediocrity. The fact that they graduated from military academies! Could be a purchase for education. Or the "military academy" has turned into a hotbed for training ignoramuses to move up the career ladder. Here we will collapse with this ours and with what a shame! Now it remains to wait when it happens. And we wanted to conquer all of Ukraine!
  2. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 1 October 2022 17: 18
    +40
    The cart reported the death of special forces spotters ... What is there to comment on. Bow only to the Heroes
    1. Gankutsu_
      Gankutsu_ 1 October 2022 17: 28
      +12
      In the cart, Ukrainians post videos from broken columns. Judging by this, they left on everything that goes.
      1. Skif
        Skif 1 October 2022 18: 00
        0
        Well, dill will show a lot of things. Which never happened.
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 1 October 2022 17: 18
    +34
    Just out of curiosity - where is the next profitable frontier? Again near Stalingrad?
    1. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 1 October 2022 17: 26
      +51
      Until the Kremlin stops considering Russia only as Moscow within the Moscow Ring Road, and considers the castle-dwellers not as people but as an electorate, there will be no sense .... And they will wake up in the Kremlin only when the highmars arrives through the towers. Even a seditious thought comes to mind. To arrive sooner.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 1 October 2022 17: 59
        +7
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        And they will wake up in the Kremlin only when the Hymars fly over the towers. Even a seditious thought comes to mind. To arrive sooner.

        I wrote exactly the same thing six months ago, so they showered me with minuses. They will dump, most likely there is already somewhere, they have already agreed unambiguously, there is no other way to explain what is happening.
        1. Pulkovo1942
          Pulkovo1942 1 October 2022 19: 47
          0
          They will dump

          The Americans will then get out of any hole.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 1 October 2022 23: 28
            0
            Quote: Pulkovo1942
            Americans then from any holes get.

            As they wrote about Muammar Gaddafi, - "from the pipe."
        2. vova1910
          vova1910 1 October 2022 23: 11
          0
          Quote: lis-ik
          They will dump, most likely there is already somewhere

          Israel is not rubber
      2. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 1 October 2022 18: 23
        +5
        And they will wake up in the Kremlin only when the Hymars arrives on the towers

        Hymars won't come

        There will be battles between militia and Wagner mercenaries on the streets of Moscow
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 1 October 2022 23: 31
          0
          Quote: Santa Fe
          There will be battles between militia and Wagner mercenaries on the streets of Moscow

          Militias and Wagnerites with someone or fights between militias and Wagnerians?
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 October 2022 18: 06
      +7
      Most likely they will retreat to Voronezh. Then to the Volga.
    3. aglet
      aglet 1 October 2022 18: 19
      +5
      "Again at Stalingrad?"
      nothing, nothing, Altai is still far away. and there Shoigu has a hut in the mountains. won't the friend let him sit out?
    4. Rustic
      Rustic 1 October 2022 18: 59
      +6
      Just out of curiosity - where is the next profitable frontier? Again near Stalingrad?
      I don’t know where the next one is, but the last one will be under the ruble, when everyone will be driven into battle, including the elderly, children and women. For for those who are now in charge, the ruble is more important than all of Russia.
    5. MMX
      MMX 1 October 2022 19: 31
      +6
      Quote: paul3390
      Just out of curiosity - where is the next profitable frontier? Again near Stalingrad?


      Why are you so nervous? Tomorrow, the media will tell you that Lyman was not particularly important, "everything is going according to plan" and in general, "we have not even started yet."
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 1 October 2022 23: 37
        0
        They didn’t start to start, only losses are calculated in cities, and “achievements” in units of “chimeras”.
    6. flicker
      flicker 1 October 2022 22: 33
      -2
      And that's where
      ‼️ Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a tank offensive in the Kherson region - Almost immediately, our reserves were brought up to the battlefield

      According to military correspondents from the front, the 1st tank battalion and the 1st infantry battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine advanced from Novovorontsovka in the direction of Khreschenovka and Lyubimovka. They were quickly noticed by our scouts from quadrocopters.

      Immediately upon the discovery of the Ukronazis, howitzers and Grads of the RF Armed Forces began to hit the advancing forces. After volleys of MLRS, the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to hide in the landings, destroying their battle formation. The fighting continues at the present time.

      Grind ukrofascists
  4. Heisenberg
    Heisenberg 1 October 2022 17: 20
    +42
    It is already clear to an idiot that the General Staff is working for the enemy (probably well brought), because the disgrace coming from Balakleya cannot be explained by anything other than betrayal!
    1. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 1 October 2022 17: 32
      -11
      Illogical. Balakleya was taken by the same general staff.
    2. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 1 October 2022 17: 52
      +4
      It is unlikely, most likely, there is an underestimation of the military potential / determination of the enemy. On this point, one can agree with Israeli citizen Aron Zaavi.
      1. chetvertak
        chetvertak 1 October 2022 18: 48
        +3
        Today Kadyrov posted a text about the commander, Colonel General Lapin! And there Kadyrov turned to Chief General Staff Gerasimov about the dangerous situation under the estuary.
        This is a horror for us! What kind of education does the military academy give, and how do we pay for it with our lives and the shame of all this military mediocrity
    3. Skif
      Skif 1 October 2022 17: 59
      0
      Shame is not smoke ... Conclusions must be drawn. And the creatures from TsIPSO crush ruthlessly.
      1. Wladimir134
        Wladimir134 1 October 2022 18: 04
        +5
        After the latest events, the tsipso will be disbanded and replaced by our general staff
    4. Yves762
      Yves762 1 October 2022 18: 12
      +15
      The General Staff is not alone.
      - Ministry of Finance - about ..... money over the hill;
      - Ministry of Foreign Affairs - 3,5 "allies", of which 1,5 are subjective, the rest - "cannot be seen on the map";
      - MO - the same drones;
      .... etc.
      Yes, and there are questions to "Himself".
      "Political" want to appoint "military" extreme.
      1. levfuks
        levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 22
        +4
        Quote: Yves762
        any questions

        No more questions. Offers. Let ordinary people on the air, very interesting turns can be heard.
    5. flicker
      flicker 1 October 2022 18: 57
      -4
      The General Staff is working for the enemy (probably well brought)
      Yeah, I know how footballers drain an objectionable coach yes
      The General Staff can plan remarkably: and some section of the front can merge, the field of which is necessary and the adjacent section should retreat, etc., etc.
      ---
  5. Leshak
    Leshak 1 October 2022 17: 21
    +27
    There is so much I want to say, but there are no decent words. The fighters who defended the Red Liman deserve great respect. They did everything possible and impossible. I won't say anything about command.
    1. Chronos
      Chronos 1 October 2022 17: 31
      +16
      Quote: Leshak
      There is so much I want to say, but there are no decent words. The fighters who defended the Red Liman deserve great respect. They did everything possible and impossible. I won't say anything about command.

      Judging by the reports from the TG, the first conclusions have already been made and either someone from the Southern Military District or Surovikin is in charge near Liman. Lapin seems to have commanded there. What effect it will have, I don't know. Lapin was also put there at one time after the removal of the command of the "West" group, who had squandered Izyum and Balakleya. The General Staff most likely built its strategy from Lapin's reports that the deployed reinforcements would hold the flanks of the Liman garrison. But Kadyrov's post is no longer a bell, but a bell. Well, the message of the Ministry of Defense says that they began to recognize the harsh truth at the top. If nothing changes, I don't know. But this is how I see it from the couch.
      1. Leshak
        Leshak 1 October 2022 17: 39
        +9
        Yes, I read Kadyrov. I hope for changes for the better.
        1. chetvertak
          chetvertak 1 October 2022 18: 03
          +11
          It won’t be better for a change! Everything there was so overgrown in the General Staff that it turned into a bunch of mediocre friends. Finally, we found out where the hornet’s nest of traitors are sitting!
          1. levfuks
            levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 37
            0
            Quote from: hetvertak
            There

            Quote from: hetvertak
            bunch of stupid friends

            You are close to the truth, dear.
            GSH - only the last hive in the apiary.
            They can be put in a pose and say nothing or cannot or do not want to.
            Loyal and obedient. Chained by one chain.
      2. Li17
        Li17 1 October 2022 18: 36
        +8
        Quote: Chronos
        Lapin seems to have commanded there. What effect it will have, I don't know. Lapin was also put there at one time after the removal of the command of the "West" group, who had squandered Izyum and Balakleya. The General Staff most likely built its strategy from Lapin's reports that the deployed reinforcements would hold the flanks of the Liman garrison

        As I was convinced in the Chechen, Moscow does not abandon its own. So Lapin to a warm place. But if the General Staff planned on information from this "hero" ... In a word, it's good to yell "Russia forward" and "Victory will be ours"! So what is the strength of GDP?
      3. chetvertak
        chetvertak 1 October 2022 18: 57
        0
        Lapin and his son should be shot! Also, Gerasimov and his deputies against the wall. Get everyone in the General Staff through a false detector
        Transfer control of the troops to those who have proven themselves for several years in the LDNR. This is Wagner, Akhmat, Somali, etc. Appoint Kadyrov and his people to positions in the General Staff. or field headquarters
      4. flicker
        flicker 1 October 2022 19: 00
        -4
        Lapin was also put there at one time after the removal of the command of the West group
        It looks like there are problems within the West group itself. Even in Soviet times, this grouping of troops was considered thieves.
    2. Ulum
      Ulum 1 October 2022 17: 48
      +21
      Why be silent then? already everyone, except for the stubborn uryakalok, can see the incompetence and incompetence of our generals. The courage and heroism of soldiers and officers are leveled by the lack of will and military leadership abilities of the military leadership. And where will talented commanders come from in the army, where career growth is determined not by the officer’s abilities, but by the ability to curry favor and click his heels in time.
    3. Sergey Zhikharev
      Sergey Zhikharev 2 October 2022 00: 04
      +1
      As they say, "the heroism of some is the miscalculations of others."
      And in this case, the heroism of the fighters who defended the estuary is a miscalculation of the command, which did not provide assistance in time with reserves, aviation and cruise missiles
  6. maxim1987
    maxim1987 1 October 2022 17: 21
    +11
    another rearrangement? The FSB needs to arrange such a "group" for the General Staff so that Bortnikov is then attracted under 131 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
    1. levfuks
      levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 45
      -1
      Quote: maximNNX
      FSB needs General Staff

      A raven will not peck out a crow's eye. (Folk wisdom)
      The authorities have their own business ...
  7. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 1 October 2022 17: 22
    +56
    The current ruling class did not stand the test of the war. Further, either the reformatting of the elite, or defeat in the war.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 1 October 2022 17: 28
      +23
      I hope you know the saying about the fish head.
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 1 October 2022 18: 08
        -2
        Quote: kventinasd
        You know the saying about the fish head.

        We know. sad Although the fish rots from the head .. but they clean it from the tail.
        Generalissimo A. Suvorov (I hope that Suvorov is an authority for all the military.), Said - "Pray to God! Victory is from him." "Without prayer, neither load a gun, nor take a saber out of its scabbard!"
        1. Hey
          Hey 1 October 2022 19: 08
          +5
          Pray to God

          They prayed to their god whose name was the golden calf.
        2. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 1 October 2022 23: 56
          +4
          Uh-huh, the main military temple of Russia was probably built for this under the motto "we will forge weapons into censers." am
    2. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 1 October 2022 17: 34
      -9
      In 1941, without knowing the result, you would have written the same thing.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 1 October 2022 18: 00
        +9
        Quote: Procopius Nesterov
        In 1941, without knowing the result, you would have written the same thing.

        Absolutely incomparable situation.
        1. Procopius Nesterov
          Procopius Nesterov 1 October 2022 18: 17
          -9
          If he is hysterical like a hysterical squirrel from a tactical retreat, then he would have thought the same from the scale of those retreats. That the Soviet government and the ruling communist class have shown their complete failure.
      2. flicker
        flicker 1 October 2022 19: 03
        -5
        Nobody has the patience. Everyone wants everything at once.
    3. Deon59
      Deon59 1 October 2022 18: 30
      +10
      We are rolling into a deep hole. Well, why are we voting for Putin, under the slogan if only there was no war. Here is the war on the threshold of the country. And the citizens of Russia are dying. What are we going to do, die for the Chelsea club, for the salaries of Miller and Sechenov and the like, for real estate of Peskov and the like abroad. Or for the Motherland?
      1. flicker
        flicker 1 October 2022 19: 05
        -5
        to die for the Chelsea club, for the salaries of Miller and Sechenov
        No for Zelensky, for Chabad.
        Don't worry like that. We smash the Anglo-Saxons, and your Ukraine kirdyk.
        1. Deon59
          Deon59 1 October 2022 21: 01
          +1
          , I'm from Russia. Hooray, patriots, I understand you, you need to work out your silver coins.
    4. levfuks
      levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 48
      0
      Quote from Scientist
      Further, either the reformatting of the elite

      Who will format it? The herd was deprived of "access to the disk." It doesn't mind.
  8. g_ae
    g_ae 1 October 2022 17: 22
    +37
    That is, a Russian city with Russians was formally given to the Ukrainian Wehrmacht? Raisin taught nothing? Was this line of defense really bad? Well done. Are holes for orders in the General Staff already being made? Maybe something needs to be changed at the conservatory, or girls, sorry, generals?
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      1. g_ae
        g_ae 1 October 2022 18: 01
        +16
        Was yesterday, and today they gave it away. Does it change anything? And I'm not a cissomist, and the cissomists will smash this, don't worry. It’s not the wooden Konashenkovs who work there, and how to effectively spoil the brains they will give odds to any Konashenkov.
      2. g_ae
        g_ae 1 October 2022 18: 04
        +8
        By the way, is Ramzan Akhmadovich also a cissist, I suppose? And the military correspondents are also tsipsoshniks?
      3. Deon59
        Deon59 1 October 2022 18: 31
        0
        And for you on the first pine tree, cheers for a patriot with zaim pants from Gucci
    2. flicker
      flicker 1 October 2022 19: 07
      -8
      Maybe something needs to be changed at the conservatory, or girls
      In Ukraine, they changed it, so what?
      How much does she have left? A year, less?
  9. PVV66
    PVV66 1 October 2022 17: 23
    +26
    The mediocrity of generals is always paid with the blood of soldiers.
    1. flicker
      flicker 1 October 2022 19: 08
      -13
      The mediocrity of generals is always paid with the blood of soldiers.
      Are you talking about Ukrainian generals?
      1. MMX
        MMX 1 October 2022 19: 35
        +6
        Quote: flicker
        The mediocrity of generals is always paid with the blood of soldiers.
        Are you talking about Ukrainian generals?


        The mediocre Ukrainians won back in less than a month what our gifted ones took in three months.
        1. flicker
          flicker 1 October 2022 20: 59
          -5
          The mediocre Ukrainians won back in less than a month what our gifted ones took in three months.
          They lost twice as many fighters this month as we did in all 7 months.

          Or did you want us to fight in the same way?
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 00: 03
            +2
            Quote: flicker
            They lost twice as many fighters this month as we did in all 7 months.

            Has the Almighty provided the numbers?
            1. flicker
              flicker 2 October 2022 00: 13
              -3
              Has the Almighty provided the numbers?
              You seem to have fallen from the moon.
              The figures of our losses for the whole time were voiced by Shoigu, and the figures of Ukraine for the latest operations in Kherson and Kharkov by the US and British intelligence services.
          2. MMX
            MMX 2 October 2022 08: 27
            0
            Quote: flicker
            The mediocre Ukrainians won back in less than a month what our gifted ones took in three months.
            They lost twice as many fighters this month as we did in all 7 months.

            Or did you want us to fight in the same way?


            Each side in a war understates its losses and exaggerates the losses of the enemy.
            The propagandists are already forgetting that they lied weeks earlier. And they lied that Balakleya and other n.p. in the Kharkov direction (with the exception of Kupyansk) they took virtually without a fight, because the RF Ministry of Defense itself said that we retreated without a fight. Do you think the RF Ministry of Defense is lying?

            I would like us to fight in the same way, i.e. into a mobile war? Undoubtedly.
            Well, as for the losses, I won’t be surprised if 1 to 1, or even not at all in our favor, because. static defense against mobile small formations that tear apart reserves.

            By the way, we were told for months that we were attacking head-on there and moving slowly, we were simply "softening the enemy's forces." Well, softened? It was they who, so soft, threw us out of the CW and went on?
            1. flicker
              flicker 2 October 2022 14: 48
              -1
              Well, softened? It was they who, so soft, threw us out of the CW and went on?
              Do not worry, and we will take Kharkov and Nikolaev. and Odessa - not long left.
  10. Magog_
    Magog_ 1 October 2022 17: 23
    +8
    One thing can reassure somehow that it was possible to escape from the finished boiler (if it really happened). Otherwise: the collapse of the front and an open road to the new-Russian territory of the LPR. How is it in the song "the last sailor left Sevastopol ...", but in reality?
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 1 October 2022 17: 31
      +18
      Are you sure you succeeded?
      I don’t want to publish these shots here (even on YouTube already) of how our columns leaving Liman were covered with artillery and the consequences of all this. A very unpleasant sight.
      Conclusion: our commanders could not even organize a worthy retreat, what kind of talk could it be about an offensive or defense in general.
      1. flicker
        flicker 1 October 2022 19: 10
        -4
        A very unpleasant sight
        Any war is an unpleasant sight.
    2. AdAstra
      AdAstra 1 October 2022 19: 44
      +1
      It soothes so soothingly that even there are no words.
  11. acetophenone
    acetophenone 1 October 2022 17: 24
    +16
    Perhaps this is "leveling the front line"? Ouch! What kind of front, this is not a war ... Does a front happen on a special operation? And the rear? And the prisoners? What about advances, retreats and encirclements? And mobilization? But - no, not a war ... What do you think, if one country is fighting with all its (and, most importantly, not only its own) forces, and the other is fighting. Which one of them will grab a bite?
  12. senima56
    senima56 1 October 2022 17: 24
    +34
    "Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Allied forces left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous defense lines." Why did the enemy suddenly have "superior forces"? For half a year, we destroyed the l / s and materiel of the enemy with our "high-precision weapons" .... or is it all not true? And just "beat the squares" ?! And how long will we "retreat to more advantageous lines of defense"?
    1. Caruso
      Caruso 1 October 2022 18: 11
      +9
      Do not worry, everything is agreed with the State Department. The task of bending Russia into cancer is being successfully fulfilled.
  13. Gankutsu_
    Gankutsu_ 1 October 2022 17: 24
    +35
    A thousand and one synonyms for the word: retreat.

    You can throw me over, but the General Staff fulfilled a purely political task: he kept Liman before the holiday in Moscow ended.
    It was not a military, but a political task, so as not to spoil the mood of the president on an important day.
    I'm sure Lapin will get another medal.
    1. Vadmir
      Vadmir 1 October 2022 17: 39
      +12
      the general staff fulfilled a purely political task: he kept Liman before the holiday in Moscow ended.
      If they had handed over the city two days ago, they would have handed over the city to the DPR, today they handed over the city to Russia.
      It was not a military, but a political task, so as not to spoil the mood of the president on an important day.
      Today the mood is spoiled. And I really hope that the answer will be quick and tough.
      I'm sure Lapin will get another medal.
      Lapin frankly did not cope with the stabilization of the front, it will not work to keep silent - Krasny Liman is already part of Russia and leaving it can cost a shoulder strap, it should.
    2. Lex_is
      Lex_is 1 October 2022 17: 43
      +17
      And it was not the General Staff that kept him, but the BARS, with Donetsk and Lugansk.
      That's why they kept so much.
      Only yesterday, after the cries of military correspondents in a telegram, the General Staff remembered that he had some kind of Liman and began frantically throwing parts there, introducing them from the wheels into battle.
  14. ximkim
    ximkim 1 October 2022 17: 25
    +36
    Quote: Leshak
    There is so much I want to say, but there are no decent words. The fighters who defended the Red Liman deserve great respect. They did everything possible and impossible. I won't say anything about command.

    Putin will finish the game - the people will freak out, and close it in a bunker: without water, food and electricity.
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    2. TEX-50
      TEX-50 1 October 2022 17: 50
      -1
      The people will do nothing. He has no strategy, no means, no opportunity. Already on the path of the organization, everything will fail at once, because. All intentions will be revealed at the very beginning.
    3. Skif
      Skif 1 October 2022 17: 51
      -3
      I heard about the bunker many times from the crested. Apparently, now the situation is the same.
    4. lis-ik
      lis-ik 1 October 2022 18: 16
      +12
      Quote: ximkim
      Putin will finish the game - the people will freak out, and close it in a bunker: without water, food and electricity.

      So history moves in a spiral. The situation is very reminiscent of 1917, only now Lenin is not there, they are strangling him in the bud. (I'm not talking about bulk and others like him).
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 1 October 2022 19: 48
        0
        Well, in this regard, they learned the story.
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 00: 11
        0
        Quote: lis-ik
        So history moves in a spiral. The situation is very reminiscent of 1917, only now Lenin is not there, they are strangling him in the bud. (I'm not talking about bulk and others like him).

        Until 1917 they were also strangled.
    5. flicker
      flicker 1 October 2022 19: 14
      -7
      Putin will finish the game - the people will freak out, and close it in a bunker: without water, food and electricity.
      The people will leave themselves without all of the above and more.
      And do not worry like this: we will bang the Anglo-Saxons with YARS.
    6. levfuks
      levfuks 1 October 2022 21: 59
      -1
      Quote: ximkim
      people go crazy

      Nope. Under the beer gossip in the kitchens.
  15. Viktor29
    Viktor29 1 October 2022 17: 26
    +7
    Is the left bank of the Stallion River more "profitable" than along the Oskol River?
    But the enemy in the North is still not crushed, and we still don’t know where he decides to “rest”.
    1. Gankutsu_
      Gankutsu_ 1 October 2022 17: 32
      +25
      The Ural Mountains are even more profitable! natural barrier. Nature itself is on the side of Russia.
  16. vadivm59
    vadivm59 1 October 2022 17: 27
    +22
    "... we lure the enemy in order to destroy them with a crushing blow ...", ".. we align the front line for a stable defense ...". I already read this somewhere. In the history of the Second World War, it seems. They arranged a kindergarten from the army, and now there is no one to fight. The result of the 1st year of service. The question is, why are such fighters needed who cannot be sent to war? a year's service, or disperse schoolchildren to their homes. And create PMCs and other organizations.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 00: 15
      0
      Quote: vadivm59
      either return 2-3 year service, or disperse schoolchildren to their homes. And create PMCs and other organizations.

      It is worth being careful: PMCs and others and their people will be able to grind.
  17. Man from afar
    Man from afar 1 October 2022 17: 27
    +6
    NATO found the optimal strategy for pushing through our meager positions with superiority in meat and transport and then encircling those who stood to the death. Until there are more of our guys on the lines (or the command sees a repeating pattern and takes action hah, as if they risk losing position, and not our boys) - this will happen again and again.
    1. Pulkovo1942
      Pulkovo1942 1 October 2022 17: 34
      +7
      preponderance in meat and transport and the subsequent encirclement of those who fought to the death.

      How long will these stories about failures due to the numerical superiority of the enemy be? This is just one of the factors. Enemy is fighting by all means and means, and we have SVO. It is a priori impossible to win in the NWO, in a war it is completely.
    2. kventinasd
      kventinasd 1 October 2022 17: 42
      +28
      There is no need to justify the victory of the enemy by the lack of our manpower. With the almost complete superiority of the Russian Federation in aviation and tactical weapons, this is not an argument.
    3. g_ae
      g_ae 1 October 2022 17: 43
      +29
      Maybe I can’t see well from the sofa, but maybe it wasn’t worth letting the ukram create this advantage? The bridges are in place, the piece of iron is intact, the roads are free, there is no aviation and reconnaissance, weapons and armored vehicles from the west flow freely, gas goes to partners through Ukraine, money is paid. I won’t be surprised if Ze increases the price for transit, and ours agree. Well, how! Reputation of a reliable supplier first of all! What is going on? Surkov is gone, but his work lives on?
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      1. Procopius Nesterov
        Procopius Nesterov 1 October 2022 18: 20
        +1
        The demobilization of conscripts has also been canceled, why was this not mentioned?
        1. -TROMB-
          -TROMB- 1 October 2022 19: 29
          0
          Yes .. canceled ... in Ukraine ... We have been postponed ... 120 thousand will be called ...
          1. Procopius Nesterov
            Procopius Nesterov 1 October 2022 20: 06
            +2
            We do not send conscripts to fight.
            1. Deon59
              Deon59 1 October 2022 21: 07
              -2
              after 3 months, the demobilization boy was already taken away. Parents bought equipment for 30 thousand
            2. -TROMB-
              -TROMB- 2 October 2022 06: 15
              0
              And they won’t even call for them ... they don’t consider it necessary
  18. Zagrebun
    Zagrebun 1 October 2022 17: 28
    +14
    Crappers. More and more. Life and health to the fighters.
  19. bandabas
    bandabas 1 October 2022 17: 28
    +19
    I have no words. "We haven't started yet." How long?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 1 October 2022 17: 36
      +8
      Quote: bandabas
      "We haven't started yet." How long?

      "Well, let's see how they attack."
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 1 October 2022 19: 53
        +5
        They are coming. I should have pressed first. Many normal men have been lost because of co-operation. Yesterday was another blah blah.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 00: 20
          0
          Ukraine does not have a monopoly on showmen. hi
  20. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 1 October 2022 17: 28
    +31
    Quote from cold wind
    It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff.

    So the General Staff is covered by those who are even higher. Here, not only Lapin should be demoted, but already the supreme commander in chief, as having proved his professional incompetence.
    1. tun5t
      tun5t 2 October 2022 00: 24
      0
      it’s good that they think so about the supreme one, it’s best for him to be the minister of economy under President Medvedev, and the bear lowered the Europithecus in three days and forced him to chew ties in 2008
  21. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 1 October 2022 17: 29
    +20
    For reference: Lyman is the DPR, and the DPR, together with other regions, became part of the Russian Federation yesterday. Thus, the fighting moved to the territory of the Russian Federation.
  22. Vadim Voroshilov
    Vadim Voroshilov 1 October 2022 17: 29
    +10
    In the photo, Shoigu's favorite, (https://t.me/infobomb/1239) General Mikhail Stepanovich Zusko. In this (https://t.me/infobomb/1872) database I found his relatives. Brother Mykola Stepanovich Zusko, 06.04.76/0/0139. Registered (https://iili.io/Ld101QZQ.jpg) at the address: Kyiv, АXNUMX. This is the number of the elite XNUMX security brigade of the General Staff of Ukraine. Now Mykola is a colonel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    In Ukraine, Mikhail has up to 12 (https://12kanal.com/my-pobuvaly-u-seli-na-volyni-de-narodyvsya-putinskyj-gore-general-video/) brothers and sisters who were born with him in Volyn Vetly village. From the bases (one (https://t.me/infobomb/1868)-two (https://t.me/infobomb/1872)) you can see Stepan (29.03.79/07.12.77/17.01.70), Svetlana (18.05.68/XNUMX/XNUMX), Lydia (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), twins Galina and Valentina (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX). Volynians consider the local police chief to be General Zusko's nephew, Putin's spy and gay (https://iili.io/LdEBzx.jpg).
    It is a betrayal to send an officer against a country where all his relatives are held hostage. But the Minister decided otherwise. And instructed Zusko 58 army. At the beginning of the war, he commanded shitty. After that there was a stuffing about the arrest for I'm a complete morons. Military correspondent Kitten believed. Called (https://tgstat.ru/channel/@voenkorKotenok/35806) Mikhail "Judas" that he burned his columns not out of stupidity, but on purpose. But the gostop (https://t.me/infobomb/1863) of the DPR denied lies: (https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/12653) "Lieutenant General Zusko is in the ranks."
    It was then that Mikhail was thrown near Kharkov. And there was a breakthrough of the front, a retreat. For this, none of the generals sat down. Maybe it was worth bottling up Zusko and others, even if there was no espionage (https://t.me/infobomb/1827)? The executions of the old - the lift of the young.
    https://t.me/infobomb/1874
  23. DenVB
    DenVB 1 October 2022 17: 30
    +1
    I feel that the "flybug" is already somewhere nearby. It's time, I guess...
  24. fiberboard
    fiberboard 1 October 2022 17: 30
    +17
    Nothing, nothing! We still have the Borodino field and the Dubosekovo junction in reserve. In the end, Napoleon took Moscow, and how did he finish? That's it. And the clever Sergei Kuzhugetovich suggested moving the capital to Siberia a long time ago. Judging by what I saw in Moscow, there are not very many Russians left there. Lieutenant General Konoshenkov broadcasts on TV, Lieutenant General Gurulev in the State Duma. If this is the same Gurulev who was the chief of staff of the Port Arthur regiment in Dauria, then his qualities should be well suited to the rest of the persons involved in the State Duma.
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 1 October 2022 17: 57
      +6
      Well, what else?
      He is the one, the son of a lieutenant general and a lover to help the authorities with personnel.
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 1 October 2022 18: 15
      +2
      We still have the Borodino field and the Dubosekov junction in stock

      It is better not to give these examples.
      Borodino could have won if Kutuzov would have remembered the artillery. And 10 kilometers from the Dubosekovo junction, Katukov’s tank brigade stood idle on new tanks, but Rokossovsky did not remember about it. Maybe enough heroism on deaths.
  25. PVV66
    PVV66 1 October 2022 17: 31
    +13
    Just remember, for the regrouping in the Kharkov region. and in Liman someone from the General Staff will still receive a hero of Russia.
  26. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 1 October 2022 17: 32
    +24
    I can tell the General Staff a life hack: near St. Petersburg, just in the South-West, there are Pulkovo Heights. That's where you can organize, wow, what profitable lines of defense to contain the Nazis!
    And near Moscow there is Dubosekovo ... also a line of defense anywhere!
    And when we have to move away from there (and with such combat planning and command we will naturally have to) - then in the Urals we will definitely stop them! ... Maybe even for a month !!!
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 1 October 2022 17: 47
      +10
      Volga was forgotten. Excellent line of defense. But it is not exactly.
    2. Gankutsu_
      Gankutsu_ 1 October 2022 17: 57
      +2
      Correctly. Let's drown the enemy in the Sinyavino swamps.
  27. cmax
    cmax 1 October 2022 17: 32
    +29
    In general, the result of the CBO is currently logical. This is a promotion to leadership positions both in the army and in the government of mediocrity, singing along and just convenient people who do not say the word "no". The presence of swagger, arrogance, permissiveness, omnipotence in the same circles is also a catalyst for these military failures. I remember the Battle of Stalingrad, how the steadfastness of the army gave such moral satisfaction to the country, which allowed people to believe in our Victory. The President speaks the right words, but without the right deeds they are dead and remain only words. The clock is ticking.
    1. Caruso
      Caruso 1 October 2022 18: 19
      -6
      It was throughout the entire existence of Soviet power. Stupid, mediocre boors generals. Only then they threw corpses at the enemy and so they won. Now, no one wants to fight, they just drop everything and immediately drape.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 00: 28
        +2
        Quote from caruso
        It was throughout the entire existence of Soviet power. Stupid, mediocre boors generals. Only then they threw corpses at the enemy and so they won.

        Each rose to the attack and threw the enemy with his corpse.
        "Don't talk nonsense, it hurts!" am
        1. Caruso
          Caruso 2 October 2022 11: 18
          -3
          That's right. Read memoirs (but not Zhukov and others like him) and you will be happy. The losses of the Red Army in all operations in the Second World War, even successful ones, were many times greater than the losses of the Wehrmacht. In Ukraine, perhaps the first war where people are not thrown to the slaughter, they are simply left to the mercy of fate. The stupidity and mediocrity of the generals remain the same, it’s just that the army just abandons everything and drapes.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 16: 45
            0
            Quote from caruso
            Read memoirs (but not Zhukov and others like him) and you will be happy. The losses of the Red Army in all operations in the Second World War, even successful ones, were many times higher than the losses of the Wehrmacht.

            I translate from Russian into Russian: read your enemies, soak yourself in - and you will be happy! So hell, it won't.
            It has long been known: "What is high for a Russian is death for a German", well, and vice versa.

            As for the current situation, many people do not like it (and I do too), but it is not worth judging hastily. It takes time to understand with a cold head.
            1. Caruso
              Caruso 2 October 2022 19: 37
              0
              The time was 8 months. Ukrainians managed, we didn't. Russia is never ready for any war. For two reasons: 1. Theft. On military contracts and supplies, they have always stolen and now they continue. 2. In the Russian tradition, only the most miserable, stupid and worthless become senior officers and generals. This is the protection of the Kremlin from military coups. If drunks, bribe-takers and stupid people lead the army, this is a guarantee that they will not seize power. The result is obvious - time has been lost and now everything will roll landslide towards the natural finale. And do not build illusions, it is as unpleasant for me as it is for you.
    2. Hey
      Hey 1 October 2022 19: 32
      +5
      The President speaks the right words

      What did he say right? Every paragraph is a contradiction to the previous one. Whether he called the West dear partners, whether under him our natural and other wealth went to the West, whether under him 300 trillion remained there, whether he rewarded those who collapsed the USSR, or whether museums were built under him. And in the end he dragged in the words of the fascist Ilyin.
  28. Vadmir
    Vadmir 1 October 2022 17: 32
    +11
    Allied troops left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous defense lines
    Is this the straightening of the front line like the Germans in 1945? Krasny Liman is already a part of Russia, leaving it is already leaving a Russian city and citizens of Russia. Just yesterday, Putin said:
    New Russia has returned to Russia forever - Russia will not betray the choice of the people.

    You can talk as much as you like about the military expediency of leaving Krasny Liman, but now this is Russian land and it was necessary to fight for it. The Russian army has no moral right to leave their cities.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 00: 31
      +2
      Quote: Vadmir
      Just yesterday, Putin said:
      New Russia has returned to Russia forever - Russia will not betray the choice of the people.

      He's already said a lot.
  29. Marson35
    Marson35 1 October 2022 17: 32
    +13
    So it turns out, already a Russian city, and this is not a profitable line of defense ??? And what is profitable? Moscow perhaps??? Loud and prolonged applause to the General Staff!!! Real "professionals".
  30. Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 1 October 2022 17: 32
    +27
    Not being a supporter of R.A. I want to say the following to Kadyrov, R. A. Kadyrov definitely deserves respect (from TGC Kadyrov_95): It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would have demoted Lapin to the rank of private, would have deprived him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, would have sent him to the front lines to wash away my shame with blood.

    And what I want to say is from myself. For more than a month (since the middle of summer, for sure), the feeling has not left the feeling that someone in Moscow is playing against the victory of the Russian Federation in this war. There is no other way to explain all these oddities (of a strange military operation). The failures are too obvious and there are too many of them to continue to believe in chance. But no one is in a hurry to fix them. Although delay, in the literal sense of the word, is like death, both for our military and civilians (in the territories being abandoned). And I also don’t believe in the mass insanity of the entire supreme power of the Russian Federation en masse (for the company), as you know, everyone gets sick with the flu, but they go crazy one by one. In order not to go far: we could see something similar during the removal of Yanukovych, during the collapse of the USSR and during the abdication of Nicholas II (where the conspirators were not Bolsheviks, but family members and close generals).
    1. DenVB
      DenVB 1 October 2022 18: 12
      +4
      Quote: Leshy1975
      For more than a month (since the middle of summer, for sure), the feeling has not left the feeling that someone in Moscow is playing against the victory of the Russian Federation in this war.

      Quote from Murza. And the quote yesterday's. ABOUT of today loss of Lyman:
      This, of course, is a betrayal. This level of incompetence simply does not exist.
    2. Caruso
      Caruso 1 October 2022 18: 21
      +3
      100% right - the Iraqi version. Putin is simply quietly drained. The State Department has already made a fuss here.
  31. Amateur
    Amateur 1 October 2022 17: 33
    +17
    According to Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, the enemy's 14th brigade's air defense forces were liquidated near Kupyansk. It is reported about the destruction of more than 50 militants and 12 pieces of equipment.

    Gene. Konoshenkov will continue to win until the village of Kryukovo?
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 1 October 2022 17: 49
      +13
      And where is the Kraken Delhi? Without the Kraken, the summary of the General Staff is not a summary!
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 1 October 2022 17: 52
        +13
        Probably, with his Kraken, he got not only VO readers.
      2. DenVB
        DenVB 1 October 2022 18: 14
        +6
        Quote: g_ae
        And where is the Kraken Delhi?

        They have already been destroyed so many times that they cannot appear in the sun during the day.
    2. Vadim Voroshilov
      Vadim Voroshilov 1 October 2022 17: 51
      +1
      a general is not a rank, as in Russia, but a position - let this general command at least a battalion ... otherwise the generals are divorced ... but there is no sense in them
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 1 October 2022 18: 00
        +12
        I recently proposed to change the gene. Konoshenkova with one of the girls who voice the weather on Zvezda TV. The girls read out the report of the Ministry of Defense, and the lieutenant general - the weather report. From the rearrangement of places, the quality of the MO report will not deteriorate at all. But I got so many minuses for this, just hold on. request
    3. Caruso
      Caruso 2 October 2022 11: 20
      0
      Is there anyone else watching this bespectacled liar goondos?
  32. opposite28
    opposite28 1 October 2022 17: 34
    -2
    I wonder what Sun Tzu would say about this?!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 October 2022 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: oppozite28
      I wonder what Sun Tzu would say about this?!

      What do you need, a philosopher or a commander?
      “The best war is to break the plans of the enemy; in the next place - to break his alliances; in the next place - to break his troops. The worst thing is to besiege fortresses.- Sun Tzu
      "Avoiding a collision with large forces is not evidence of cowardice, but of wisdom.for sacrificing oneself is never and nowhere an advantage.“

      Source: https://ru.citaty.net/avtory/sun-tszy/?page=3
      1. opposite28
        opposite28 1 October 2022 18: 13
        0

        Lara Croft
        Today, 18: 06
        NEW

        0
        Quote: oppozite28
        I wonder what Sun Tzu would say about this?!

        What do you need, a philosopher or a commander?
        “The best war is to break the plans of the enemy; in the next place - to break his alliances; in the next place - to break his troops. The worst thing is to besiege fortresses.” - Sun Tzu
        “Avoiding a collision with large forces is not evidence of cowardice, but of wisdom, for sacrificing oneself is never and nowhere an advantage.”
        And here is Sun Tzu with himself. Thank you. good drinks
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 1 October 2022 18: 27
          -2
          Quote: oppozite28
          And here is Sun Tzu with himself.

          It’s sinful to laugh ....
          Just a good forum member...
          1. opposite28
            opposite28 1 October 2022 18: 33
            -3

            Lara Croft
            Today, 18: 27
            NEW

            0
            Quote: oppozite28
            And here is Sun Tzu with himself.

            It’s sinful to laugh ....
            Just a good forum member...
            Your subjective-objective assessment is amazing ...
  33. ISKANDER_61
    ISKANDER_61 1 October 2022 17: 34
    +1
    And Konashenkov announced 200 dead APU. Who to believe?
  34. dementor873
    dementor873 1 October 2022 17: 34
    +11
    No, guys, here '37 is needed in all echelons of power.
  35. Horon
    Horon 1 October 2022 17: 35
    +10
    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Allied forces left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous lines of defense

    The most profitable frontiers will be under the skirt of a woman, so it's not over yet.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 1 October 2022 19: 30
      0
      Quote: Horon

      The most profitable frontiers will be under the skirt of a woman, so it's not over yet.
      Emancipation - women today wear pants - "And where to hide now ...?"
      request
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 2 October 2022 00: 42
      +1
      Quote: Horon
      The most profitable frontiers will be under the skirt of a woman, so it's not over yet.

      What if it turns out that grandma is grandpa in a skirt? tongue
  36. Sniper
    Sniper 1 October 2022 17: 35
    +2
    Well, if more "profitable" .. then yes, you can understand.
    And we started for health ..
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 October 2022 17: 56
      -6
      Quote: Sniper
      And we started for health ..

      Well, you can continue, good and even evil forum users believe you, you can ... with such an avatar you will reach Berlin itself ...
      No?
  37. Govorun
    Govorun 1 October 2022 17: 37
    +19
    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Allied forces left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous lines of defense

    You can call it all in different ways, but the fact is that we are reaping the fruits of a poor analysis of our General Staff and the inability to admit it, Motorola, Givi had even more impressive successes, showing themselves as brilliant leaders, given that they fought than they had to and if they had given them free rein, Kyiv would have already been cleared, but our politicking is back to back to us, and for how long it will be back to back with our dead guys and civilians, our generals have sat up in headquarters ...
  38. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 1 October 2022 17: 37
    +15
    Until recently, I believed that the situation could be rectified. There is no limit to disappointment. Defenders Heroes, low bow.
  39. Yapet100
    Yapet100 1 October 2022 17: 38
    +25
    And how they mastered the terminology: leveling the front line, retreating to more advantageous positions ... Already they began to hand over Russian land ... And how pompous everything was yesterday and shook each other's hands.
    How beautifully it was said with deadly irony: "We'll have a look at this counteroffensive." Well, look.
  40. Former soldier
    Former soldier 1 October 2022 17: 38
    +16
    Quote: dmi.pris
    The cart reported the death of special forces spotters ... What is there to comment on. Bow only to the Heroes

    Special forces behind enemy lines instead of drones. It's a shame.
    1. DenVB
      DenVB 1 October 2022 18: 16
      +3
      Quote: Former soldier
      Special forces behind enemy lines instead of drones.

      Skakly just left the webcam in the window. But we have a consumable - not webcams, but special forces.
  41. Konnick
    Konnick 1 October 2022 17: 38
    +11
    troops from Kr. Liman were withdrawn, reportedly, to more advantageous lines.


    Bravo .... bis .... Konashenkov for such a wording another star.
    For some reason, Kadyrov told a different story in his TG channel. Moreover, he named the main culprit, General Lapin.

    It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would have demoted Lapin to the rank of private, would have deprived him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, would have sent him to the front lines to wash away my shame with blood.
  42. Wladimir134
    Wladimir134 1 October 2022 17: 38
    +10
    I can't say anything. Banned. There are simply no words
  43. Poru4ik
    Poru4ik 1 October 2022 17: 41
    +21
    Perhaps we will soon hear: "The retreat was made in order to level the front line"
    30 years of endless chatter and lies. Are there still people who believe this leadership of the country.

    Deputy Milonov, who left for the front, was noticed in the Kremlin
    Deputy Vitaly Milonov, who went to the zone of a special military operation (SVO), was noticed in the Kremlin, journalists from the Kremlin pool of RIA Novosti report.
    The deputy, who earlier said that he had gone to the front, was noticed in civilian clothes. It is indicated that he hurried past the cells. State Duma deputy Nikolai Valuev, who received the summons, was also in the Kremlin.
  44. Siberian 63
    Siberian 63 1 October 2022 17: 43
    +5
    shame ....... it is necessary to return, but they are not there, the representatives of the headquarters and L. Beria should be resurrected, for cleaning the officer and general corps.
  45. djqnbdjqnb
    djqnbdjqnb 1 October 2022 17: 44
    +8
    How embarrassing and embarrassing. Well, at least they didn’t get surrounded. And where do we get such generals from? And why are they not removed when everyone can already see what they are?
    1. saigon
      saigon 1 October 2022 18: 06
      +1
      About the environment, the portable ammunition from the Hans in WWII was calculated for the tank and mech division for three days of battle without delivery and hostilities in the ENVIRONMENT. I just remembered what I read. There are no words.
    2. D. Gorodensky
      D. Gorodensky 1 October 2022 21: 05
      0
      They know a lot about backstage games and who participates in them...
  46. Skif
    Skif 1 October 2022 17: 44
    +12
    We have nothing to answer? Want to howl. Why the hell does the moderator not like the size of the text?! Add yourself. If there is anything.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 October 2022 18: 31
      +5
      the moderator provokes a flood.
      The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
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  47. Sedoy
    Sedoy 1 October 2022 17: 45
    +1
    all the prerequisites have been created for the defeat to be eventually suffered by the extended forces of the enemy

    when the enemy eliminates the "cauldron", his forces reduce the front line ...
  48. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 1 October 2022 17: 46
    +11
    But Kraken, I hope, again got it so that he will never recover again?
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 1 October 2022 18: 09
      +5
      "We already choked them, choked them, choked them, choked them ..." (c) Sharikov, Heart of a Dog
    2. D. Gorodensky
      D. Gorodensky 1 October 2022 21: 02
      +4
      In fact, according to the data announced by Konashenkov (200-300 people every day), then the entire Ukrainian army should already be destroyed and left without equipment. "weathers" at the front will not do anything and they do not mean anything, so they say, let them calmly go to the Ukrainian troops to the front and shell the cities and towns of Donbass, the Belgorod region, Kursk, and in response only the twitter responses of the Foreign Ministry and the silence of the Kremlin, they say "red lines" are still very green ...
  49. Sedoy
    Sedoy 1 October 2022 17: 47
    +13
    left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous lines of defense

    it used to be called a "goodwill gesture", now "favorable frontiers" ...
    I wonder what verbiage I will come up with next time ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 October 2022 18: 32
      +5
      You forgot to regroup.
      forgive me moderator.
  50. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 1 October 2022 17: 50
    +3
    Allied troops left Krasny Liman, retreating to more advantageous defense lines

    In the 41st, it was called "aligning" the line of defense ....
    They would tell the truth that the command, that sector of the operation does not have the necessary forces and means .... and that we are not able to fight the second echelons of enemy troops, remove their logistics routes and the command post / ZKP of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... in this section of the theater of operations. ..