Khodakovsky: Even if the garrison in Krasny Liman falls, he fulfilled his most important task

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Khodakovsky: Even if the garrison in Krasny Liman falls, he fulfilled his most important task

The mixed garrison of Krasny Liman, which had been repulsing the powerful onslaught of superior enemy forces for almost two weeks, has already entered history Russian military glory. The commander of the Vostok battalion, Alexander Khodakovsky (call sign Skif), believes that the defenders of the city have managed to solve the most important task, and even if they have to leave their positions, they have practically turned the tide of the entire military campaign in Ukraine. Not in favor of the APU.

Regardless of how the Krasnoliman epic ends, the guys don’t even fully imagine what they did

— Khodakovsky wrote in his Telegram channel.



Local success in the Kharkiv direction led the Kyiv authorities into a state of euphoria. Still, for the first time since the beginning of the special operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to fulfill at least one of the many loud statements of Ukrainian politicians about a counteroffensive. The office of President Zelensky, the General Staff expected that now the offensive would go like clockwork, it was only necessary to develop success.

The plans of the Ukrainian command included an active offensive against Mariupol, for which significant forces and equipment were deployed near Vuhledar. But, unexpectedly, the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, inspired by victories, collided with a small but tough defender of Krasny Liman and got stuck under it.

The General Staff had to urgently transfer reinforcements, more and more reserves, remove combat-ready units from other directions in order to break the resistance of the Krasnoliman garrison. As a result, rightly notes Khodakovsky, "the pace was already lost, the shock of the retreat had already passed, mobilization had begun."

If it weren’t for the Krasny Liman factor, in addition to the Kharkov fiasco, many more problems awaited us

- the battalion commander is sure.

In a situation of operational encirclement, the defenders of Krasny Liman began to calmly prepare for a long all-round defense. The conditions of the terrain make it possible to hold the enemy's onslaught, but he could break through the defenses in separate sectors and go in from the flanks or rear. Retreating chaotically meant being destroyed by superior enemy forces, artillery.

So, we need to take up all-round defense - so we decided. But someone had the courage to resist and give battle, and the processes did not go in favor of Ukraine

Khodakovsky says.

Now, even if the Krasny Liman garrison falls and the city is taken by the Ukrainians, the defenders of Krasny Liman have fulfilled their most important task, the commander of the Vostok battalion believes. Even in this case, the APU will not be happy.

Military correspondent Alexander Kots, apparently having some connection with the soldiers defending Krasny Liman, reports that this morning the city is still in our hands. According to him, the "road of life" along the highway from Kremennaya through Torskoye is still not physically cut, a small security zone has been created along it. Judging by the fire damage inflicted by our gunners, the enemy is rushing to control Torsky. Artillery of the 2nd Corps hits the columns that go from Seversk towards Torsky. A technique has been noticed that from under Belogorovka can go to Kremennaya to cut off Liman and Torskoye.

Meanwhile, there are reports that Ukrainian militants were able to gain a foothold in the city at one of the sites. The information is inconsistent.
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  1. RGB
    +21
    1 October 2022 14: 58
    Storytellers! Noodles on the ears! How much can you justify?
    1. +12
      1 October 2022 14: 59
      Khodakovsky: Even if the garrison in Krasny Liman falls, he fulfilled his most important task


      And why is that? It seems that, having started the NWO, we were not ready. For the eighth month now, the NWO has been going on. numerical minority. It’s already on the territory of sovereign Russia. Ukraine is advancing right now on the territory of Russia. Just think about this phrase. It’s like 2 armies of the world on the territory. What’s going on? for chaos.
      1. -1
        1 October 2022 15: 03
        Quote from: neworange88
        phrase. On the territory it seems like 2 armies of the world

        Now answer your own question. What is her second?
        1. -3
          1 October 2022 15: 06
          Quote: freddyk
          Now answer your own question. What is her second?

          Approx.
          Let's think.
          What bloc are we currently fighting with?
          I deliberately do not use the word war.
          1. -2
            1 October 2022 15: 09
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Quote: freddyk
            Now answer your own question. What is her second?

            Approx.
            Let's think.
            What bloc are we currently fighting with?
            I deliberately do not use the word war.

            Let's do it. By quantity?, by quality the second.? And the NATO bloc should be regarded as one army.
            1. -1
              1 October 2022 15: 11
              Quote: freddyk
              By quantity?, by quality the second.? And the NATO bloc should be regarded as one army.

              That is the point ...
              On this, not everything is so simple.
            2. +1
              1 October 2022 22: 38
              Those. Romanians are about the same as Americans, are you sure about this? If so, dear sir, then something in your perception of reality is wrong.
          2. +3
            1 October 2022 15: 13
            You now look like kaklov, 8 years ago, when they broadcast that they were at war with the Russian army and destroyed thousands of armats. Name at least one NATO division or brigade with whom the RA is fighting.
            1. Urs
              +4
              1 October 2022 17: 28
              And what do you need to have a "mattress" on the chevron, whose weapon request, , preparation where request , a program of psychological treatment whose request , and finally, whose money is all this??????
              Just don't sing about "economically powerful dill", dill is a US colony living on US money and, accordingly, fulfilling the US guidelines.
              More questions about who we are dealing with negative
              1. 0
                1 October 2022 17: 50
                And what do you need so that the "mattress" is on the chevron, whose weapon is the request, where is the training, the psychological processing program whose request, and finally, whose money is all this ??????
                Just don't sing about "economically powerful dill", dill is a US colony living on US money and, accordingly, fulfilling the US guidelines.
                There are more questions with whom we are dealing negative
                . Do you seriously think that if one country starts a war against another country, then third countries do not intervene in the conflict covertly? Are you really that naive? Well, it’s better to turn your questions to the government and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
                1. Where is the undercutting of the RF Armed Forces?
                2. Where is the mental treatment program?
                and finally where is the money for this SVO?
                And so, for the sake of perspective, read who and how supported Finland during the Soviet-Finnish War. But the war was Soviet-Finnish, not Soviet-European.
                1. Urs
                  +5
                  1 October 2022 19: 03
                  Your naivete goes off scale, you don't read the thought of the message along the way.
                  Let's start from the beginning, this is not a war, but a special military operation carried out on the territory of a non-friendly state in order to prevent the extermination of the inhabitants of states that are friendly to us and bound by a common mutual assistance agreement. That's understandable.
                  The civil war was started by the government of "Ukraine" against, at that time, the inhabitants of "Ukraine".
                  It makes no more sense to crucify, read the latest history and arrange the chronology of events, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MUCH.
                  Also, the goal of the SVO is to eliminate the possibility of further development of an unfriendly state adhering to the ideology of FASCISM.
                  NATO member countries announced open extensive support for the fascist state, thereby becoming participants in the conflict, the supply of weapons, uniforms, finance, training of troops, recruitment and supply of mercenaries on their territory. For all that, pursuing their own selfish goals, also based on the ideology of racism.
                  IF YOU STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS, then there is no more sense for you to conduct political information and indeed a discussion in general.
                  1. +2
                    1 October 2022 19: 27
                    Your naivete goes off scale, you don't read the thought of the message along the way.
                    Let's start from the beginning, this is not a war, but a special military operation carried out on the territory of a non-friendly state in order to prevent the extermination of the inhabitants of states that are friendly to us and bound by a common mutual assistance agreement. That's understandable.
                    The civil war was started by the government of "Ukraine" against, at that time, the inhabitants of "Ukraine".
                    It makes no more sense to crucify, read the latest history and arrange the chronology of events, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MUCH.
                    Also, the goal of the SVO is to eliminate the possibility of further development of an unfriendly state adhering to the ideology of FASCISM.
                    NATO member countries announced open extensive support for the fascist state, thereby becoming participants in the conflict, the supply of weapons, uniforms, finance, training of troops, recruitment and supply of mercenaries on their territory. For all that, pursuing their own selfish goals, also based on the ideology of racism.
                    IF YOU STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS, then there is no more sense for you to conduct political information and indeed a discussion in general.

                    It's all clear to me. Only you do not understand that everything you said above is not a war against the entire West. The war is going on with Ukraine, the West actively supports it, but does not participate in the war. And this is normal based on the history of the world. Once again, read about the winter war. Finland helped half the world in that war. Including even the states of Africa (Including fighters!!! WHAT??? I am shocked myself). But the USSR did not shout that it was at war with half the world, justifying its failures. The country's leadership drew conclusions after failures and defeats. And after that the Mannerheim line was taken. Such fortified lines, at that time, were considered impregnable for assault, by the way. In addition to the winter war, there are many other examples of third countries supporting one of the parties to the conflict without participating in the war. Only no one yells that they are fighting with half the world. Regarding the verbiage of the NWO / War, it’s already ridiculous. The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was sunk - not a war, Thousands of servicemen died (not counting PMCs, Dobrobatov, LDNR) - not a war. How many hundreds of armored vehicles have been burned is not a war. It will be very funny if IT is still called WHO. With fronts, retreats, the threat of encirclement.
                    1. Urs
                      +2
                      1 October 2022 19: 39
                      One amendment "of the state of Ukraine" is practically non-existent.
                      There is a territory that can be called "Ukraine" under the full protectorate of the United States. We draw conclusions.
                      As is customary in the US strategy, "we need territory, not population."
                      Hence the conclusion of the war against Russia to "the last inhabitant of Ukraine."
        2. 0
          1 October 2022 15: 08
          According to Global Firepower 2022 at least.
          1. +1
            1 October 2022 15: 40
            It is not clear what "human resources" is in this table. 69 million people in Russia - who is this?
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 15: 43
              Quote: AC130 Ganship
              It is not clear what "human resources" is in this table. 69 million people in Russia - who is this?


              Maybe the population is from 18 to 60 years old, which in case of war is subject to conscription? what
            2. 0
              1 October 2022 16: 34
              This is "human resources" and just something ... what's incomprehensible here?
          2. +1
            1 October 2022 16: 56
            According to all "partner" TOPs, the hegemon's army will always be the first, no matter where he "lives" at the moment...
        3. +3
          1 October 2022 15: 09
          Quote: freddyk

          Now answer your own question. What is her second?

          In terms of the nuclear component, it may be the first.
          1. +3
            1 October 2022 15: 12
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            In terms of the nuclear component, there may be the first

            But this is not enough to win.
            1. +1
              1 October 2022 17: 04
              If desired, use more than enough ...
          2. 0
            3 October 2022 02: 07
            If trucks and tanks do not start after 30-40 years of storage, where is the guarantee that tactical nuclear weapons were stored in the best conditions?
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      2. -4
        1 October 2022 15: 07
        Let me clarify, not yet fully sovereign. De facto, we can think so, but we must apparently comply with all legal procedures to the end. The court has to consider all that. I do not know all the subtleties, but I think it will take 4-5 days. Then the picture of hostilities can change dramatically. All of course my subjective opinion.
        1. RGB
          +3
          1 October 2022 15: 10
          Something tells me that nothing will change...
          1. 0
            1 October 2022 15: 14
            Perhaps for the UN or some other organizations, a certain legal part is observed so that the mosquito does not undermine the nose. GDP, as I understand it, likes to observe all the subtleties, so that even at the international level everything is within the law. So in his speech yesterday, he said that there was an expression of the will of the people and all that, apparently at the level of international law there are some nuances. Yana is a lawyer by education, I may not understand something, but the essence is what I see. But when all the legal formalities are met, they can also use tactical nuclear weapons against the Sumerians, referring to the fact that the enemy invaded the territory of the Russian Federation. Well, that's how I see it, and I could be wrong.
            1. -6
              1 October 2022 15: 30
              Quote: Normal
              Perhaps for the UN or some other organizations, a certain legal part is observed so that the mosquito does not undermine the nose. GDP, as I understand it, likes to observe all the subtleties, so that even at the international level everything is within the law. So in his speech yesterday, he said that there was an expression of the will of the people and all that, apparently at the level of international law there are some nuances. Yana is a lawyer by education, I may not understand something, but the essence is what I see. But when all the legal formalities are met, they can also use tactical nuclear weapons against the Sumerians, referring to the fact that the enemy invaded the territory of the Russian Federation. Well, that's how I see it, and I could be wrong.

              This will lead to a complete economic blockade of the Russian Federation.
              1. +1
                2 October 2022 12: 10
                This is unlikely, we did not attack anyone, they attacked us and are very actively trying to seize our territories, we have every right to defend ourselves with all the forces and means we have.
            2. -1
              1 October 2022 15: 39
              Perhaps for the UN or some other organizations, a certain legal part is observed so that the mosquito does not undermine the nose.

              The example of Crimea shows that it doesn't work that way.
            3. 0
              3 October 2022 02: 08
              For the UN? Are you kidding or are you serious?
        2. +3
          1 October 2022 15: 18
          The court has to consider all that. I do not know all the subtleties, but I think it will take 4-5 days. Then the picture of hostilities can change dramatically.


          Well, what court? What are you talking about? When later? We need it right now. Otherwise, we can reach Moscow with our own sweat. war, and who still has the SVO, although in fact, as soon as the DPR became part of the Russian Federation, the SVO ended, this is already a war on our territory, aggression from Ukraine, with the same crosses on equipment as in the 40s of the last century, and we do not understand what we are doing. We were attacked. Wake up. What kind of courts are there, no one will pay attention to them. Can you imagine 1941, when Germany attacked the USSR (and now the same thing is only in miniature), and everyone would talk about some kind of courts? What kind of courts? danger.
          1. +3
            1 October 2022 15: 21
            On the news yesterday they said that you were banned on Google or something? Firstly, it was said that the signed documents will go to the State Duma for consideration, I understand that this is a formality, but this is the protocol part, also the constitutional court, and this is the protocol part. It was said in terms of about 4 days. I say it like it was on the news.
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 15: 25
              Quote: Normal
              On the news yesterday they said that you were banned on Google or something?


              I don't use Google. There are many search engines, but I prefer Yandex. It's more convenient for me. Don't take it for advertising.

              four applications were received on Friday, 30 September. On this day, in the Georgievsky Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace, Vladimir Putin signed agreements on the entry into the Russian Federation of the LPR and DPR, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. The ceremony was attended by their heads - Leonid Pasechnik, Denis Pushilin, Vladimir Saldo and Evgeny Balitsky. If the treaties are recognized as constitutional, a draft law on their ratification should be submitted to the State Duma, while another document will determine the status, name and boundaries of the new subjects of the Russian Federation . After approval by the lower house of parliament, both documents must be approved by the Federation Council.


              According to TASS with reference to Zorkin, the results of consideration of applications will be published in the coming days.

              https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/1055757-regiony-rossiya-konstituciya-sud
              1. +1
                1 October 2022 15: 31
                So I, too, Yandex) It's just that there is such a common phrase, no offense.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2022 15: 41
                  This means that the process of joining Russia has not been completed yet. The Constitutional Court must consider, and then the State Duma and the Federation Council must ratify.
                  After signing the treaty, the President of Russia must apply to the Constitutional Court to check this act for compliance with the Basic Law. In 2014, such a check took the court less than a day: on the evening of March 18, Putin signed the document, and on the afternoon of March 19, the court unanimously recognized the accession agreement as legal without public hearings. The president's request for consideration of the treaty by the Constitutional Court can be received immediately after signing, that is, on September 30. If the Constitutional Court finds no violations, the president sends the treaty to the State Duma for ratification and at the same time introduces a federal constitutional law on the admission of new regions, says Glandin. "These two documents will have to go through the established path - to be approved in three readings by the Duma, and then adopted by the Federation Council and signed by the president, and published," the lawyer added. Then they take effect. The Constitutional Adoption Law also amends Art. 65 of the Constitution, which defines the list of subjects of the Federation: new names are added there.

                  https://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/09/2022/63358bde9a79477ea5575661
          2. 0
            1 October 2022 15: 53
            Quote from: neworange88
            Can you imagine 1941 when Germany attacked the USSR

            To be honest, on February 24th I thought so
      3. 0
        1 October 2022 15: 37
        because they are accustomed to crushing more with a smaller number. and thought it would go on and on. and from the west they drove mercenaries from PMCs. there are Poles and impudent Saxons, in fact, we are again at war with Europe and a little with the states. only they cannot bring in their aircraft - it's silly. this is not taken into account. and the dill before that was normally fried and everything would have gone on like that ..
      4. -2
        1 October 2022 18: 01
        now they will bring up young partisans and, as the Lzhenitsyns wrote, we will fill up the crest with corpses.
      5. 0
        2 October 2022 12: 12
        the reason for everything that happens in the country, as V. I. Lenin wrote, is that any cook can rule the state, so you can’t be surprised at anything.
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    3. 0
      1 October 2022 15: 12
      Quote from RVA
      Storytellers! Noodles on the ears! How much can you justify?

      Strelkov wrote that such a level of incompetence simply does not exist. So the "Russian" generals prepared noodles ten years in advance
    4. -1
      1 October 2022 16: 41
      Well, Khodakovsky is not a storyteller. He has been at the forefront since 2014 .... Such people are in the General Staff. And these trampled stripes are to dig trenches .. However, they can’t even do that ...
    5. +1
      1 October 2022 21: 02
      Only Ukronazis sit in the comments. Get out the unclean.
  2. +5
    1 October 2022 14: 59
    Estuary. Many questions to our General Staff. I would very much like to throw reinforcements to the guys. God bless them!
    1. +6
      1 October 2022 15: 02
      The estuary has been surrendered, though the garrison seems to have been withdrawn in an organized manner. And too many muddy misunderstandings. And it's all in one direction. I don't want to write any more on this subject.
      1. -3
        1 October 2022 15: 08
        Quote: Chronos
        The estuary has been surrendered, though the garrison seems to have been withdrawn in an organized manner. And too many muddy misunderstandings. And it's all in one direction. I don't want to write any more on this subject.

        With an organized withdrawal, so many prisoners and equipment would not have fallen into the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And don't start blaming me. Anyone who has Telegram can see these frames.
        1. -1
          1 October 2022 15: 20
          many prisoners? ................................................. .
          1. -5
            1 October 2022 15: 27
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            many prisoners? ................................................. .

            To summarize, what I saw, a few dozen. Lots of good technology.
            1. -6
              1 October 2022 15: 36
              now there is an article for abandoned equipment
              1. 0
                1 October 2022 16: 08
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                now there is an article for abandoned equipment

                I haven't seen such an article. I saw an article for the decommissioning of military equipment.
                1. -2
                  1 October 2022 16: 11
                  in Putin's recent law, the term for leaving equipment, the term for surrendering
                  1. -2
                    1 October 2022 16: 17
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    in Putin's recent law, the term for leaving equipment, the term for surrendering

                    Link, please. In a recent law:
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    I saw an article for the decommissioning of military equipment.
                    That is, it cannot be broken. And that's it.
                    1. -3
                      1 October 2022 16: 30
                      there the article is not about the incapacitation of equipment during the retreat, he abandoned the tank, went to the zone
                      1. -1
                        1 October 2022 16: 35
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        there the article is not about the incapacitation of equipment during the retreat, he abandoned the tank, went to the zone

                        Give me a link to this article. I can't see and can't find it.
      2. -6
        1 October 2022 15: 15
        There is already a lot of video from the Ukrainian side with the whole Russian equipment
      3. +1
        1 October 2022 15: 17
        Quote: Chronos
        the garrison seems to have been withdrawn in an organized manner.

        Perhaps, but what about the residents who voted yesterday in the referendum.
    2. -1
      1 October 2022 15: 06
      Quote: Arbeiternegast
      Estuary. Many questions to our General Staff. I would very much like to throw reinforcements to the guys. God bless them!

      Reinforcements were dropped. This was enough to more or less safely withdraw the garrison. That's what they said yesterday - an operation to unblock.
    3. -3
      1 October 2022 15: 13
      Quote: Arbeiternegast
      I would very much like to throw reinforcements to the guys.


      where to get it if we have half of the army of conscripts who cannot be used.
      And by the way, in the first few months of the NMD, the West realized that Russia had deployed its entire professional army in Ukraine, which could be deployed without compromising border security.
      I think that we in Ukraine will have to retreat, on average, from two weeks to a month.
    4. 0
      1 October 2022 15: 39
      Quote: Arbeiternegast
      Estuary. Many questions to our General Staff. I would very much like to throw reinforcements to the guys. God bless them!

      The fisherman draws everything.
  3. +6
    1 October 2022 15: 00
    Older than Edda. 14:48
    Personnel units of the RF Armed Forces are strengthening the Kremennaya-Torskoye road. In Liman itself, despite the fact that the Ukrainians posted a video at the stele, skirmishes will continue. At the moment, the Ukrainian is not conducting active operations, apparently regrouping and counting the losses, they are very serious. Our art and aviation are actively working.

    One thing can be said for sure at the moment. In contrast to the Balakliya breakthrough, near Liman, the Ukrainian suffered very heavy losses, having squandered a significant part of the reserves.
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 16: 35
      Only one thing can be said for sure - our General Staff again screwed up and big.
      1. -1
        1 October 2022 17: 01
        Well, it's still a moot point. Dill have been successful in one direction, which is very expensive for them. I believe the consequences of such Pyrrhic wins at any cost for the sake of a media picture and a report to sponsors will soon make themselves felt
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  5. -2
    1 October 2022 15: 02

    Not sickly so Russia opposes the collective LGBT people.
    1. +19
      1 October 2022 15: 10
      Did you think in February they would support us?
      This is what a surprise turned out to be.
    2. -5
      1 October 2022 15: 17
      Then in Vietnam it is necessary to record the USSR, China, North Korea against the USA. And yes, as far as I remember, no one in the United States was going to inflict nuclear weapons on Hanoi, Moscow, Beijing and Pyongyang for another bad day in Vietnam, but accepted the rules of the game.

      I'm already silent about the volume of delivery. If we mirror Vietnam, then these are hundreds of F-16Blok70-72, hundreds of PAK3, THAAD, Iris-T, about 500 Abrams and Leopards of fresh modifications, Bradleys, Pumas, Boxers in commercial quantities. And all this openly goes with flags to Odessa, for example, and if someone accidentally bombs the Big John steamer in the port of Odessa, then Putin immediately officially apologizes, and the government pays compensation, the pilots of the thunderchiefs, that is, the Su-30/34 are suspended and an investigation is launched against them.
      1. 0
        1 October 2022 15: 20
        Remind me what they fought in Vietnam? What were the weapons, what satellites and drones...?
        1. -2
          1 October 2022 15: 41
          Quote: Normal
          Remind me what they fought in Vietnam? What were the weapons, what satellites and drones...?

          The DRV supplied such types of military equipment as SA-75M Dvina anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM), MiG-17 and MiG-21 fighters, Il-28 bombers, Il-14 and Li-2 transport aircraft, anti-aircraft artillery, radar stations, communication equipment, etc. In total, during the war, 82 SA-75M Dvina air defense systems and 21 SA-75M TDNs, and 8055 V-750 missiles for them were sent to Vietnam. Along with the supply of equipment in Soviet military educational institutions, accelerated training of Vietnamese pilots began. And the future missile officers of the VNA studied at the Military Academy of Communications named after S.M. Budyonny in Leningrad.
        2. -1
          1 October 2022 15: 44
          In Vietnam, they fought with the most high-tech of what was. These are modernized MiGi21s, and Shilki 4 years after being put into service, and some air defense automated control systems were already rising towards the end in the 70s, and the satellites were just imagine. In planning, the Vietnamese used data from Soviet satellites (albeit not as much as today), and the Americans used theirs. And reconnaissance flights. In the water area and neutral waters, several SRZKs were hung out on a rotational basis - this was the then analogue of strategic UAVs / AWACS in the allied zone. All high-tech - which was at that time, was used in Vietnam by all parties.

          Now not all high-tech Western countries are used. I'm already talking about volumes.

          So after 50 years - you can say the same, but what kind of drones and satellites are there, but they didn’t use an autonomous army of drones ?! Orbital bombers were not delivered either request .
      2. +2
        1 October 2022 17: 20
        And yes, as far as I remember, no one in the United States was going to inflict nuclear weapons on Hanoi, Moscow, Beijing and Pyongyang for another bad day in Vietnam, but accepted the rules of the game

        We planned two whole times, once in China and once in Hanoi and Haiphong. But common sense prevailed.
    3. -1
      1 October 2022 15: 18
      Division or brigade number on the side of these flags, except for Ukraine? At least one. It would be better for the shameful ones to be silent. They are at war with NATO
      1. +4
        1 October 2022 15: 24
        Weapons and equipment are supplied to you by all NATO countries, they are financially supported in the same way. Most of the Russian army destroyed its Soviet weapons that you had.
        1. -5
          1 October 2022 15: 27
          Here the USSR financially, with weapons and advisers helped Vietnam. Was the US at war with the USSR? Shut up, you bastard.
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 15: 31
            I'm aware of deliveries. The US lost in Vietnam.
            1. -5
              1 October 2022 15: 35
              Well ...? Can you do LOGIC?
              Was the US at war with the USSR?
              answer the question if you have something to think about.
              1. -1
                1 October 2022 15: 37
                Didn't you hear the word Cold War?
                1. +1
                  1 October 2022 15: 50
                  Ah, I get it. Russia is howling with Ukraine, the collective West is throwing weapons and military equipment, instructors - this is Russia's war with the entire West.
                  The United States is at war with Vietnam, the collective social bloc throws weapons and military equipment, instructors - this is not a US war with the USSR and the social bloc. Is it different? embarrassingly laughing laughing
                  1. -1
                    1 October 2022 15: 58
                    Are you eligible? I wrote that I was going cold war..
                    1. 0
                      1 October 2022 16: 11
                      Yes, even call it a struggle between dumplings and dumplings. It does not matter.
                    2. -1
                      1 October 2022 16: 47
                      Now Cold War 2.0 is also underway - which is openly talked about, including by figures like Medvedev.

                      We can bracket the USSR and the USA directly. For example, take Arab-Israeli. Everything is similar. In a couple of days it will be the 49th anniversary of the fighting in the Valley of Tears. The Syrians introduced two tank divisions with 100% new Soviet equipment according to the plan developed by the Soviet staff officers. And if it weren’t for the Syrian performers and the 7th Tank Brigade standing to death (it was smashed to zero, literally fought to the last tank), it could have burned out. Again, air defense systems, aircraft, military advisers and direct operation of complex complexes by vacationers in active databases. Or was the Cold War against Israel also going on?
    4. +7
      1 October 2022 15: 28
      In 2014, when the “north wind” helped the miners and tractor drivers of the LDNR, everyone was laughing at Ukraine.
      History repeats itself in reverse, now the wind is helping them, the west wind.
    5. 0
      1 October 2022 17: 07
      Quote: Normal
      Not sickly so Russia opposes the collective LGBT people.

      I remember recently they laughed at the "combat pi.. themselves", and as it turned out, they can put pressure on them and put them in cancer. Self-confidence went sideways.
  6. 0
    1 October 2022 15: 02
    Nobody has faith anymore. By God, in the last month, all statements from the Ukrainians about the occupation of certain settlements. turn out to be true.....
  7. +3
    1 October 2022 15: 03
    In November, the balance of power and the intensity of the struggle will change dramatically. We need to hold on! The guys in the red estuary are great!
    1. -4
      1 October 2022 15: 20
      For what? The maximum mobilized will be able to fight back in the trenches on the defensive.
      1. +4
        1 October 2022 15: 24
        In Ukraine, they are mobilized in the same way.
        1. -4
          1 October 2022 15: 29
          Quote: Procopius Nesterov
          In Ukraine, they are mobilized in the same way.

          There is a different motivation.
          1. +1
            1 October 2022 16: 00
            What is the motivation if in Ukraine the borders were closed for men of military age to leave, and then why are they mobilizing. They would recruit volunteers.
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 16: 03
              Quote: Procopius Nesterov
              What is the motivation if in Ukraine the borders were closed for men of military age to leave, and then why are they mobilizing. They would recruit volunteers.

              So after all, without motivation, they would have been taken prisoner long ago. And the motivation is normal. Soldiers defend their state.
          2. +1
            1 October 2022 16: 25
            And the equipment is different. The most important thing is that intelligence, digital secure communications, target designation and already enough modern weapons work perfectly. SIBZ, tactical medicine is much better than the Ministry of Defense can supply our soldiers. Well, command. I am sure that all operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planned and carried out by NATO generals. That is, real generals, and not fat-bellied officials in embroidered shoulder straps.
        2. -8
          1 October 2022 15: 30
          So they acted as cannon fodder, which ours crumbled, while losing 200, 300, 500. Thank you. Reassured 300 thousand mobilized in Russia
      2. +2
        1 October 2022 16: 01
        You are a level 80 strategist and organizer. Mobilized only in trenches and probably with a rusty machine gun can only sit. It’s not possible to organize them differently, is it not possible for them to do anything?
        1. +3
          1 October 2022 16: 27
          You are a level 80 strategist and organizer. Mobilized only in trenches and probably with a rusty machine gun can only sit. It’s not possible to organize them differently, is it not possible for them to do anything?
          No, I'm not a strategist. But in the organization of combat training, I have some sense. For on the shoulders of an officer of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were until 2010. And with all my heart, I wish you not to get into the mobilized unit, which, God forbid, will be sent on the offensive or assault on some significant height or n.p. Ukrainian flycat. I'll tell you this, any officer in the RF Armed Forces, if he has at least the beginnings of a brain, will answer the question of how this will all end with a probability of 99%.
          1. -1
            1 October 2022 19: 13
            You, a former career officer, claim that the mobilized unit with a 99% probability is cannon fodder, I understood you correctly. Then I have a question, where is our Army?
            1. -1
              1 October 2022 20: 05
              You, a former career officer, claim that the mobilized unit with a 99% probability is cannon fodder, I understood you correctly.
              - Even the personnel units of the RF Armed Forces, for the most part (not all of them), are not ready for assault operations. With regular facilities and equipment. The same was seen in the first months of NWO. Now, the personnel units have been reduced to terrible numbers. 200, 300, 500 minus conscripts. (How do you feel about the 144-man OMSBR)? Separate greetings to the organization of combat training of units (personnel). Do you know what company / battalion level officers do in the daily activities of the troops? Magazines, reports, certificates and even kilograms of papers, there is simply no time for combat training. The commanders were filled with paper. Now imagine mobs. All the same problems, only worse. What's with the standard equipment? Equipment? By means of communication? Who will teach them? A lieutenant who only saw BUSV himself? There is a video with classes with mobiles at the training grounds. Pure water photo report. Of course a Russian soldier is a Russian soldier. And in a few months of trial and error, he will learn to fight himself. Only mistakes are lives. This is pain.
              Then I have a question, where is our Army?
              - I want to answer in rhyme. The commander-in-chief with his generals built a compact army. Don't even consider a million. From this million, if we subtract the Strategic Missile Forces, Space, Pipeline (and there are such), and there are still a lot of those who do not participate. Subtract cadets of educational institutions, subtract conscripts and even orchestral ones in each part. So it turns out that there is no one to fight. And so the army is at parades, biathlons, darts and in beautiful programs on weekend mornings about those who have no analogues.
  8. +2
    1 October 2022 15: 04
    I don’t understand at all the intention of our Ministry of Defense, well, that is, it’s clear that even the most notorious idiot would understand the situation and take action. The fact that there are not enough people is also dibilism, since August they have been writing that the 3rd Corps is standing on the border, but it has not yet been put into action, in other words, reserves are being held. And therefore the question is, why the hell is our Ministry of Defense stirring up?
    1. +1
      1 October 2022 16: 11
      It means they need to keep it, the main thing is that there are reserves.
  9. -7
    1 October 2022 15: 05
    Quote: freddyk
    Quote from: neworange88
    phrase. On the territory it seems like 2 armies of the world

    Now answer your own question. What is her second?

    From the end of the list, the second judging by the "successes".
  10. +2
    1 October 2022 15: 05
    There are 2 options why Liman passed.
    1. The army is commanded by idiots.
    2. The army is commanded by traitors who serve not their homeland, but the oligarchs or Western enemies.
    Red Estuary since yesterday the territory of the Russian Federation. Those. today we have already handed over our land. Yesterday's reinforcements look like just an excuse, they say we sent, but something didn't work out.
    P.S. no one knows how much it costs to buy a general in the general staff?
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 15: 30
      Quote: tihon4uk
      There are 2 options why Liman passed.
      1. The army is commanded by idiots.
      2. The army is commanded by traitors who serve not their homeland, but the oligarchs or Western enemies.
      Red Estuary since yesterday the territory of the Russian Federation. Those. today we have already handed over our land. Yesterday's reinforcements look like just an excuse, they say we sent, but something didn't work out.
      P.S. no one knows how much it costs to buy a general in the general staff?

      About muddy things write already almost openly. The matter may not be in the General Staff. Sladkov hints that the directives of the General Staff must still be carried out on the spot. In short, it all smells bad. All of them are the same group.
    2. -1
      1 October 2022 15: 57
      1. The army is commanded by idiots.

      Idiots or not, but the NATO generals outplay them cleanly. Estimate how many forces of the Russian Federation were fettered by the threat (perhaps imaginary) of an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on just a hundred kilometers of the front from Orekhovo to Ugledar.
  11. +2
    1 October 2022 15: 06
    Where Khodakovsky appears there will soon be trouble.
  12. -1
    1 October 2022 15: 07
    I hope that this statement by Khodakovsky is nothing more than an element of a radio game with the enemy. Pretending to be weaker than you really are is sometimes used as a military ruse.
    1. -5
      1 October 2022 15: 21
      Oh. Let's drapanem to the Urals, so that everyone would believe how weak we are.
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  14. -2
    1 October 2022 15: 07
    Is it to pass the city in 2 weeks to enter the history of military glory?
    1. -3
      1 October 2022 15: 09
      It's already agony. Bandera's people hold villages for months, and our city's armed forces surrender in weeks and days.
  15. +2
    1 October 2022 15: 08
    Old news. At 14.00, our troops left Liman (((yesterday’s counterattack allowed us to pick up the wounded and withdraw today ((((It’s sad for the biathlon generals for your lack of professionalism, everyone is hung with Heroes’ stars, but it’s useless. function and they can transfer reinforcements from Kherson to Kharkov and back.Since September 5, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine began the offensive of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it was possible to transfer the entire Far Eastern Military District to the battle zone, and so we talk about the heroism of the encircled small garrison in Liman ((((( (((
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  17. -1
    1 October 2022 15: 13
    Message from Rybar at 15:XNUMX:
    By the middle of the day, it became obvious: a decision had been made to withdraw troops and leave Liman.
    After the appearance of a video from the eastern outskirts of Zarechny with a blown up bridge (49.021573, 37.952583), which was occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it became clear that the entire “road of life” was already under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  18. +2
    1 October 2022 15: 14
    There is no need to use TNW, say, well, well. No iskanders can provide the required level of damage. In my opinion, only his destructive power is able to grind this crowd. Moreover, it is necessary to strike from the western border (let the Poles sniff) moving east towards the Dnieper, destroying logistics hubs. Just do not care about zapadentsev, as Ukrainians do not care about the inhabitants of the territories annexed yesterday. Dill will now hit these areas with even more pleasure and frenzy, burn and cut rust So why are we alone playing by some kind of our gentlemen's rules. How much negativity can society get from MO?
  19. 0
    1 October 2022 15: 15
    We heroically retreat, and they cowardly advance
  20. 0
    1 October 2022 15: 19
    You need to understand a simple thing, all military correspondents are on the monetary support of the Moscow Region. Their task is not falling in view of brightening up the mistakes of command.
    And the command is complete idiots, it was clear back on February 24, when the army entered Ukraine as if on a parade, and moved towards its death in columns of firing squads. Did any of the generals get punished? No, they continue to lead. Do you remember the crossing? Where did ours lose a lot of equipment, were there punishments? No. Our army is terribly corrupt, it makes itself felt. It remains to hope for the combat commanders of the units.
    1. +1
      1 October 2022 16: 26
      So, is the Ukrainian command less corrupt?
  21. -1
    1 October 2022 15: 25
    The information is useless. Lyman abandoned. The army men again retreated, leaving the volunteers (tlg. Chervonets 14:20). The Armed Forces of Ukraine are moving further across the territory of the Russian Federation to Kremennaya. The hangover after yesterday ... has come in Moscow.
    Lawyers-propagandists mumbling about the superiority of forces. ... But now is not the Napoleonic era. Much is decided by art, aviation, mining.
    ps If there are really no reserves, then what is the contingent doing in Syria in this situation ??
    1. -1
      1 October 2022 15: 36
      Quote: samarin1969
      what is the contingent doing in Syria in this situation??

      Strelkov (and not only him) has been "explaining" for 7 years ((
      1. -2
        1 October 2022 15: 39
        Quote: ammunition
        Quote: samarin1969
        what is the contingent doing in Syria in this situation??

        Strelkov (and not only him) has been "explaining" for 7 years ((

        About "pipes" it is clear. But with this approach, Gazprom will become a branch of Ukraine's Naftogaz.
    2. -1
      1 October 2022 15: 50
      Such settlements are not left in one day.
      Hello Chervonets.
      1. 0
        1 October 2022 16: 37
        Seems like things have changed so fast.
        After 30 min. and the map is completely different.
        Who in the General Staff will now be responsible for the loss of Russian territory?
  22. -1
    1 October 2022 15: 33
    Quote: Herman 4223
    The guys in the red estuary are great!

    Yes . As in the Brest Fortress. But how many are left?
  23. +2
    1 October 2022 15: 39
    Quote: Normal
    Not sickly so Russia opposes the collective LGBT people.

    minuses LGBT apparently put you)
  24. -4
    1 October 2022 15: 41
    I consider Khodakovsky one of the great war strategists today.
    In our General Staff I don’t see or hear such people. Maybe somewhere far away in the corner by candlelight, the cards are working.
    He is absolutely right. Liman gave us the time factor.
    It's a matter of small. It remains to find out how the General Staff disposed of this time.
  25. +1
    1 October 2022 15: 46
    Quote: Procopius Nesterov
    In Ukraine, they are mobilized in the same way.

    nope. there are all geyropa and even impudent Saxons. You can't even hear the language on the video. apparently they gathered everyone they could. although there are videos where Tarasov in western Ukraine is dragged directly from universities to the military registration and enlistment office. they are dissatisfied.
  26. +4
    1 October 2022 16: 06
    As I understand it, the denazification and demilitarization of the outskirts was covered with a copper basin? In this case, the paramount chief must prepare three envelopes. Where to run? To "friend Xi"? Or to Eun's friend?
  27. +3
    1 October 2022 16: 15
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine showed themselves well in defense, and now in the offensive. If there are no conclusions at the very top, then a repetition of February 1917 is just around the corner and will seem like a holiday.
  28. -2
    1 October 2022 16: 37
    Khodakovsky - who is this? No, not in the sense that he is Khodakovsky - we know that, but in general - who is he?
  29. 0
    1 October 2022 16: 38

    The retreating troops of the Russian Federation were bombed. Eternal memory guys.
    It is a pity that the management did not see the problem a week ago. Even worse, no one will answer, according to the law.
  30. +1
    1 October 2022 17: 27
    Well, Russian cities have already begun to surrender ...
    congratulations to the general staff...
    there the Cossacks on the video tell ...
  31. +3
    1 October 2022 17: 43
    Another BIG enema. I am ashamed to watch and listen to television. Only victorious decisions, only a fateful association, only steal it to the light bulb. They do their job no matter what. Probably, we will soon hear and see the fall of the LPR, in connection with the withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces to more advantageous positions.
  32. -2
    1 October 2022 17: 43
    There is one ambiguous point here: the fact is that Khodakovsky says all this. And he is not one of those who hangs noodles and even just diplomatic. He always cuts the truth-womb, not embarrassed by ranks and positions. And he always called black things black, and ran into a clumsy system, and always told in detail when and what was bad. And if now he sees a positive in this, then there is a positive.

    BUT! This does not at all remove the stigma from the command, which allows (not even for the first time!!!) such things!
  33. 0
    1 October 2022 18: 06
    Defeat is victory! What? )))))))))))
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 19: 32
      War is peace!
      Love is hate!
      Freedom is slavery!
      Ignorance is power! good
  34. +1
    1 October 2022 18: 59
    All the defeats of the new Russia cannot be listed, especially in recent times. Another defeat, Krasny Lyman surrendered and silence in Moscow. There is no goal, no strategy, only shy tactics, the enemy is not defined. There is no ideology. Nobody wants to shed blood for hucksters and oligarchs. The "elite" of the Russian Federation is crying for a golden billion and is ready to give all of Russia into slavery, except for itself and its property. What should the ordinary Russian people do?
  35. +1
    1 October 2022 19: 27
    Just Athas. I have no words. As there are no sizzling air strikes on the advancing ones. Where is the total bombing by strategists like in Syria? One gets the impression that the generals are going to fight with quantitative meat. A terrible premonition for several days that nothing will change. There will be no attacks on the rear, no destruction of communications, no total bombing of the Ukrainian army, nothing will happen. We will be infantry and artillery as in the Stone Age. Glory to our Generals!
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 23: 12
      What are you going to bomb? From a quadcopter? Aviation does not work there! ! Pulnul into the white light from behind the front line and turn home. Strategists can only pour bombs into the desert on bobos, it doesn’t work here. Air defense is not suppressed and will not be. The Germans will drive Iris one of these days. All this calmly, in broad daylight, moves across Ukraine to the front line. Massively!! Figure out who is behind this.
  36. -1
    1 October 2022 23: 13
    The loss of Liman, dead lives fell on Russia, let's pray and confess, this is a problem, but Borodino is small and Russian soldiers were not covered there either. However, someone is responsible for this. am
  37. -1
    1 October 2022 23: 51
    Hard. And very sad. Of course, sound reasoning requires not only complete and reliable information (about strategic and operational plans, resources, the dynamics of the situation, etc.), but also the professional qualifications of a manager of modern military operations. Those who argue (Kadyrov, military correspondents, etc.) have none of this. There is an emotional response to the military failure and the situation in which the inhabitants of Krasny Liman found themselves. But anything can happen in fights. And it is important to always remember that on the other side there are also fighters, many of whom not only speak, but also behave in Russian. Let's see what happens in the coming days.
  38. -1
    2 October 2022 00: 42
    In no case should Liman be given away. Here the question is not the loss of territory, but a psychological property.
  39. 0
    2 October 2022 01: 27
    Any defeat of our army causes image damage to Russia and allows our enemies, as well as those who are members of the CSTO, to fawningly look into the mouths of the Anglo-Saxons, openly humiliate Russia, ignore its interests. If it goes on like this, then very soon, we will be left alone ...
  40. -1
    2 October 2022 04: 04
    Everything is in the style of Podberezovikov - "of course he is to blame, but he is not to blame" !!! Another spit on our General Staff. Smarter than the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned out to be, it is necessary to recognize and draw conclusions.
  41. 0
    2 October 2022 13: 23
    I have nothing to ask for forgiveness from those who fell in this garrison
    You have been written off, comrades, you have been doomed to write-off in advance
    You probably understood this yourself, you SHOULD understand
    Then, when signed up for this "operation". You've seen the results of the actions of "operators". At home - "decommissioned" factories, sawn ships, rotting planes, and dumped monuments to national leaders and heroes? Did you see?
    I hope that your example will be correctly understood by others.
    As it already happened in our country, none of the victors in 1917 forgot those who fell in 1904 or 1914, not to mention other "operations" that the rulers of our people started for their own purposes, which were all shining and holy. He did not forget and did not forgive their senseless death.
    The problem is that paying tribute to the fallen does not mean returning them to life, returning them to their families, does not mean that children will remain from them. Became earth and grass? Not our land...
    I hope that your example will be recognized by those around me.
    An example of the useless death of Russian people. Useless for them, for our people.
    Probably, now everyone will tell me about the "benefit" for the "operation" and for the "Russian world", even for "denazification". Moreover, in recent months they have stopped talking about him. I'm ready.
  42. -1
    2 October 2022 13: 36
    "Khodakovsky: Even if the garrison in Krasny Liman falls, he has fulfilled his most important task." This is how our guys are buried in advance.
  43. 0
    3 October 2022 11: 05
    Khodakovsky, sometimes, allowed himself to express an opinion different from the "Arbat group of generals" and they were always, if not prophetic, then very accurate ...
    Kadyrov said out loud what everyone is afraid to say...
    I hope changes will come: they will cancel the stripes on tights, the BMW X6 - which the neighbors burn, etc.
    I hope ...
  44. 0
    3 October 2022 11: 40
    Where can you win the war if the commander of the headquarters arranged for himself 150 km away. from the trenches. Drive oh broom and Lapin and Gerasimov with Konashenkov.
  45. 0
    7 October 2022 21: 04
    It’s good for you all to write while sitting on the couch, you yourself would be there!

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