Our troops recaptured the village of Stavki from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the situation near Krasny Liman remains difficult

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Our troops recaptured the village of Stavki from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the situation near Krasny Liman remains difficult

The situation in the Krasnoliman direction remains difficult. As of yesterday, conflicting information was received about the operational encirclement of the city, Yampol and Drobyshevo were abandoned by our defending forces and moved into the "gray" (neutral) zone. Ukrainian publics are spreading information that Drobyshevo has been taken under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a video is attached in confirmation, in which the Ukrainian military with the national flag allegedly filmed in this village. However, the shooting could be done anywhere and anytime.





Moreover, from the other side they are already celebrating the victory and declaring the complete encirclement and blockade of the city. And again, as evidence, a hand-drawn map.



On the evening of yesterday, information began to arrive that runs counter to the bravura statements of Kyiv propagandists. Several telegram channels immediately reported that at about 18:00, large motorized forces from the reserve of the RF Armed Forces approached the Torskoye-Kremennaya highway and immediately engaged the enemy. Before that, massive strikes, including from the air, began to be applied to the accumulation of enemy troops of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

A little later, military commander Yevgeny Poddubny reported that the approaching units of the Southern Military District pushed the enemy’s mobile groups back from the Kremennaya-Torskoye road, which in recent days remained the only link between the courageous defenders of the city and the rear.

In the evening, the consolidated group of forces of the Western Military District, with the support of the special forces of the Russian Guard and artillery, struck from the direction of Torsky, throwing back the enemy, who was trying to close the encirclement.

After the arrival of reinforcements, the RF Armed Forces launched a counteroffensive on Headquarters, trying to expand the zone of control north of Krasny Liman. By the end of September 30, Russian troops recaptured the settlement.

As of this morning, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not been able to enter the city, all night aviation and artillery worked closely against the enemy in Torskoy and Stavki.

The telegram channel “On Marche Z” reports that in the morning it was possible to contact the defenders of Krasny Liman, the connection is good. According to the latest data, at night the enemy weakened the fire impact on Torskoye. Tank units of the RF Armed Forces that entered the battle from the march, deployed in battle formations early in the morning. Aviation continues. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have stretched out along the front and are now being drawn to the line of contact. Their rear and reserves are not in time, our aviation is working on them.

Police Colonel of the Lugansk People's Republic Vitaliy Kiselyov believes that the Ukrainian troops failed to cut off the city of Krasny Lyman from the settlements of Svatovo and Kremennaya. Their plan to advance to the borders of Russia failed.

Military experts, analyzing what is happening, make the assumption that the Russian command may be playing out the “Stalingrad scenario” in this area, of course, on a much smaller scale.

In the fall of 1942, Hitler threw all his reserves at Stalingrad, concentrating the entire Sixth Field Army and the most combat-ready units of the Fourth Panzer Army on a narrow front in the city and its immediate suburbs, which ultimately led the Germans to disaster. Zelensky in the fall of 2022 throws all his reserves under Krasny Liman, including the most trained personnel units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and foreign mercenaries. The transfer takes place, among other things, from other sectors of the front, which significantly weakens the offensive and defensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in other directions.

The next few days should be decisive both in the defense of Krasny Liman and in a possible powerful counterattack by the Russian army in this sector. A major offensive in other directions, weakened due to the transfer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine under Liman, is not ruled out. Information is coming from Kyiv that Zelensky, despite the reports of the General Staff about huge losses, continues to demand the capture of the city within two to three days. For him, this is not only an important military and political victory, but also, most likely, a matter of further tenure as president.

At the same time, military correspondents from the scene write that the situation near Krasny Liman is extremely difficult. Alexander Sladkov pointedly:

In Lyman, a lot is not what it seems. It's far from positive. I'm waiting for the official release.
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  1. +13
    1 October 2022 10: 41
    So yes, there were forces for the deblockade, at least temporarily!
    At least one positive piece of news. If you expand the supply lines in Liman, it will be great in general.
    God knows why the release parts weren't used before.
    All the same, it is dangerous to bring the matter to a complete encirclement.
    1. +18
      1 October 2022 10: 45
      Perhaps they were waiting for the APU to pull up more forces. I would like to think well about the General Staff, although it does not always work out, to put it mildly.
      1. +12
        1 October 2022 11: 01
        Quote: Alexej
        I would like to think well about the General Staff, although it does not always work out, to put it mildly.

        Some questions and bewilderment ... Where is the unique school of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, verified by the blood of generations of the warrior of Russia? It cannot be that talented general staff officers in Russia would be transferred.
        1. +10
          1 October 2022 11: 36
          I have an opinion that the war with Ukraine has just begun. September 30th. Before that, there was politics. Victims, gambits....

          Where there is politics, there is no place for military talents and well-established schemes ...
        2. +2
          1 October 2022 11: 36
          Some questions and confusion...

          And it's good that it is. Stop shying away from "Hurray" to "Everything is lost." The media can easily make a molehill out of a fly and vice versa. Moreover, they earn their bread on this. What are we relying on, forum users? Not knowing the numbers, neither their own nor the enemy. How many people, gun barrels, tanks per kilometer? Not knowing the reserves and terrain. Stop listening to the commander of the "battalion" and the "military" correspondent. From their bumps you can see only a battle of local importance at best. We won't get real information. And thank God.
          We sit silently, we wait and do not interfere.
        3. +10
          1 October 2022 11: 39
          Where is the unique school of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, verified by the blood of generations of the warrior of Russia? It cannot be that talented general staff officers in Russia would be transferred.
          It is possible that this school no longer exists. The first cleaning of the General Staff was in 1991, so we have what we have. There is an experience of two Chechen wars, but in Ukraine the war is different.
        4. +6
          1 October 2022 11: 55
          Quote: 30 vis
          It cannot be that talented general staff officers in Russia would be transferred.

          Why did they transfer, maybe they are somewhere, in the troops. And in peacetime, those who faithfully look into the eyes seep in there. After all, none of them objects to the thoughtless political steps of the authorities.
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 14: 13
            Quote: SKVichyakow
            And in peacetime, those who faithfully look into the eyes seep in there.

            My father being com. destroyer, said that his political officer was on duty near the latrine (toilet), with a roll of toilet paper, into which the brigade commander of their formation went ... And later he was noticed, went to the very top ... So, nothing, nothing new under the moon .. Toadying, intrigues, sycophancy, squealing and meanness were, are and will be at all times ...
        5. +6
          1 October 2022 15: 59
          Talented general staff officers, of course, have not died out, but they are not allowed into the general staff even with a foot.
          1. +4
            1 October 2022 19: 05
            Quote: guest
            Talented general staff officers, of course, have not died out, but they are not allowed into the general staff even with a foot.

            Well, maybe even that is the case. They push their own or devotees, who are the most corrupt.
        6. +3
          2 October 2022 10: 43
          Quote: 30 vis
          It cannot be that talented general staff officers in Russia would be transferred

          They are in the backcountry. Near MO, some SUVs. As usual, in peacetime.
      2. +1
        1 October 2022 19: 00
        "I want to think well about the General Staff"
        don't think you're wrong anyway
    2. +1
      1 October 2022 11: 01
      Quote from monetam
      God knows why the release parts weren't used before.

      Maybe because the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet drawn all the reserves there?
      ps Wait and see.
    3. +1
      1 October 2022 12: 54
      So they were probably thrown from other areas, possibly weakening those.
    4. +2
      2 October 2022 00: 45
      Start massing a blow from Belarus, directly to Kyiv and cut off the border with Poland too, so that the supply of weapons does not hit, shoot down all AWACS aircraft that fly in the international space around Ukraine, shoot down / blind with a laser all satellites in space that are or fly overhead territory, and then you will see how everything is very fast and easy to finish.

      The enemy has concentrated all his forces in the south, now is the best time to open a second front.
      1. 0
        2 October 2022 07: 56
        Well, open a second front. Remember how many Russians died for Bulgaria. Do you want to remember? At least don’t sell them weapons.
  2. -31
    1 October 2022 10: 43
    I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers there? The city has no strategic importance. We should have left there two days ago. The people are more important than the city.
    1. +17
      1 October 2022 10: 47
      Unlike you, there are those in Liman who have the strength to fight. Let's retreat, the front may collapse. Up to Lugansk
    2. +7
      1 October 2022 10: 48
      Quote: Old ensign
      I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers there?

      Do you know losses?
    3. +31
      1 October 2022 10: 48
      I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers? The city has no strategic importance.
      Here is what Alexander Khodokovsky from the Vostok battalion thinks about it: “Regardless of how the Krasnoliman epic ends, the guys don’t even fully understand what they did. Ukraine needed a pace, it was necessary to seize the moment after the Kharkov offensive, and put pressure on us they had courage, they had resources, quite realistic plans, initiative, in the end... Estuary and got stuck.

      To break our guys, they had to cancel plans and take resources from other directions, but the pace was already lost, the shock of the retreat had already passed, mobilization began. If it were not for the Krasny Liman factor, besides the Kharkov fiasco, many more problems awaited us ... Assessing the situation, our battalion was already preparing for battles in encirclement, for which it began to form positions at the line of retreat. We doubted that the enemy would pass through us - the conditions of the terrain helped us - but on the right and on the left he could break through the defenses and go to our rear. Chaotic retreat, getting into the mess and getting lost is not an option. So, we need to take up all-round defense - so we decided. But someone had the courage to resist and fight, and the processes did not go in Ukraine's favor. Even if the Red Estuary garrison falls, it has fulfilled its super-task."
    4. +15
      1 October 2022 10: 50
      Quote: Old ensign
      I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers there?

      at the dill and ask, everything is littered with their corpses
    5. +13
      1 October 2022 10: 50
      Quote: Old ensign
      I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers there? The city has no strategic importance. We should have left there two days ago. The people are more important than the city.

      Can you bypass it?
      And what have we latched on to?
      But, apparently, for sure - all fates are paths
      They crossed on this high-rise.

      V.S. Vysotsky
    6. 0
      1 October 2022 16: 00
      Quote: Old ensign
      The people are more important than the city.

      And the inhabitants of Liman are not people?
  3. -15
    1 October 2022 10: 44
    On the air of the BBC, a Ukrainian deputy, who is currently staying in London, said that Krasny Liman was surrounded and encircled by 5000 soldiers of the RF Armed Forces and that this would be Russia's largest defeat since the Second World War. (He said WWII).
    1. +7
      1 October 2022 10: 52
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      On the air of the BBC, a Ukrainian deputy, who is currently staying in London, said that Krasny Liman was surrounded and encircled by 5000 soldiers of the RF Armed Forces and that this would be Russia's largest defeat since the Second World War. (He said WWII).

      yesterday the wounded were taken out, and where if surrounded?
      1. +7
        1 October 2022 10: 54
        and where if surrounded?
        Here, ask the Ukrainian deputy of London.
      2. -22
        1 October 2022 11: 11
        "yesterday the wounded were taken out, and where if surrounded?" ///
        ----
        The APU does not prevent anyone from being taken out of the city.
        Yesterday a whole convoy of trucks with soldiers and cars with civilians calmly left.
        They only shoot at those who go to the city.
        1. +17
          1 October 2022 11: 22
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The APU does not prevent anyone from being taken out of the city.
          Yesterday a whole convoy of trucks with soldiers calmly left.
          They only shoot at those who ride back to the city.

          What humanity, from ukroreikh! Just something, all this is hard to believe.
          1. +4
            1 October 2022 11: 49
            Quote: Third District
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The APU does not prevent anyone from being taken out of the city.
            Yesterday a whole convoy of trucks with soldiers calmly left.
            They only shoot at those who ride back to the city.

            What humanity, from ukroreikh! Just something, all this is hard to believe.

            this is the most shameless bullshit
          2. -7
            1 October 2022 12: 25
            "What humanity, on the part of the Ukrainian Reich!" ////
            ----
            This is not humanity, but rationality.
            The fewer defenders, the faster the city will be taken.
            In addition, the psychological factor: when they see that someone is leaving, the rest of the soldiers can abandon their positions.
        2. -2
          1 October 2022 11: 36
          Another trans-Ukrainian ok. And where are you from?
          1. 0
            1 October 2022 12: 16
            I could be wrong, but I think we have a warrior from Israel ... from there you can see the situation at the front better than the Donetsk people, for example. Although sometimes with the help of his information you can take a different look at the situation and I think it’s sometimes useful to know the opinion from the outside, though some excesses infuriate like the current comment
            1. +1
              1 October 2022 16: 03
              "though some excesses enrage" ///
              ----
              Where is the inflection here?
              At night, the Russian troops left Liman. And the APU did not prevent them from leaving.
              1. -2
                2 October 2022 02: 30
                Your awareness scares me... You were there. If the civilians are laid down, and the military is allowed to leave, how were such people characterized?
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          2. +1
            1 October 2022 12: 27
            Oh don't ask! Israel is a warrior, but how he "loves" Russia, along with other "compatriots"!
        3. +9
          1 October 2022 11: 48
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The APU does not prevent anyone from being taken out of the city.

          it is rare to hear such idiocy against the background of the direct execution of peaceful columns near Kupyansk and at the checkpoint
    2. -1
      1 October 2022 11: 06
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      В air BBC Ukrainian MP wassat , lounging in London now
      At first I read it, I didn’t understand, then I saw a Ukrainian deputy, it became funny ... The most truthful information in the world from the BBC office, and from Svidobander’s super, duper deputies ... Sitting in landon, under the seat of some kind of Elsa, shmelza. ..Mary Collins...
    3. +4
      1 October 2022 11: 06
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      will be the biggest defeat of Russia since the Second World War. (He said WWII).

      And Russia was defeated in World War II? Enchanting. Ukrainian history. Unreleased
      And listening to Ukrainian deputies is such a perversion
    4. +13
      1 October 2022 11: 07
      Hey people, are you awake or what? Downvote Bolt Cutter for talking about enemy opinion? Did he say anything about his opinion?
      1. -7
        1 October 2022 11: 10
        Alarmists and peddlers of enemy propaganda were shot during the Great Patriotic War.
      2. 0
        1 October 2022 11: 25
        Downvote Bolt Cutter for talking about enemy opinion?
        No, for not observing information hygiene .....
      3. -5
        1 October 2022 11: 38
        And why do we need vysers of Ukrainian deputies?
      4. +4
        1 October 2022 12: 32
        For the local audience, it is necessary to present information in such a way that the author’s attitude towards it would be immediately clear, otherwise it’s a disaster!
    5. -3
      1 October 2022 11: 07
      Yes, they already took Kremennaya there. dreamers,
    6. +1
      1 October 2022 12: 01
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      On the air of the BBC, a Ukrainian deputy, who is currently staying in London, said that Krasny Liman is surrounded and surrounded by 5000 soldiers of the RF Armed Forces

      Maybe they are lying?
      1. +1
        1 October 2022 12: 05
        Rather, they give out wishful thinking, as the first 2 weeks after February 24 they wrote about the palace coup in the Russian Federation and the coming to power of Hodor and Sisyan.
        It is also possible that the brave commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine misinform their politicians a little.
        1. +1
          1 October 2022 13: 03
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Rather wishful thinking

          And what do they say about the fact that Putin accused the Anglo-Saxons of sabotage?
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 13: 17
            Bibis are silent, but I didn’t watch TV for a long time, I didn’t see everything. I'll have to go through the newspapers. But what is not in the editorials and attention is not focused on this is a fact.
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 13: 28
              Thank you, on the next branch they are already discussing Russia can strike Britain from space, turning off our GPS and satellite communications
              1. +3
                1 October 2022 13: 35
                turning off our GPS and satellite communications
                In Ukraine, even electricity with gas and mobile communications have not been turned off.
                1. +1
                  1 October 2022 13: 47
                  Chief of the British General Staff: Russia can strike Britain from space, turning off our GPS and satellite communications

                  These are not my words, but the chief of the British General Staff hi
        2. 0
          1 October 2022 16: 07
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          and coming to power hodor

          Well, Hodor is still dreaming in the Western media about his coming to power in Russia.
    7. +2
      1 October 2022 12: 52
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      On air BBC Ukrainian MP

      And that Everyone attacked the Boltorez, he only wrote what the Ukrainian deputies tell the BBC.
      They need to beg somehow
    8. 0
      2 October 2022 15: 08
      Chatterbox this deputy. Apparently, he decided to earn extra money on current events and increase his own importance.
  4. 0
    1 October 2022 10: 44
    There cannot be a Stalingrad scenario with the encirclement of the group. Here, near Izyum, when they pulled out the "guts", yes. But there, unlike the defenders of Krasny Liman, there were those who "gave up slack"
  5. +1
    1 October 2022 10: 45
    Our troops recaptured the village of Stavki from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the situation near Krasny Liman remains difficult

    Why so? Does the euphoria and the day of the Ground Forces or the absence of their required number in a given place and at a given time affect?
    Let's think together whether it's time to create a GKO (State Defense Committee) and engage (in still peaceful conditions) with a real mobilization of the military-industrial complex ...
    You can, of course, start preparing for the G20 summit and the upcoming meeting of the UN Security Council ... As it was with Ilf and Petrov:
    1. +2
      1 October 2022 11: 29
      Who do you think will lead the GKO?.
      1. 0
        1 October 2022 12: 26
        Quote: Gardamir
        Who do you think will lead the GKO?.

        In my opinion, it is useless to prove something to someone if the servility in the eyes and the lack of the ability to correctly express thoughts in the correct Russian language have overshadowed the last mind.
        At first I thought that the intrigues of the Svidomites were here, but after that I became convinced that here the newly minted marshals and gold-embossed ranks did not let a drop of poison drop in ...
        All to you. Bye...
        hi
      2. -1
        1 October 2022 12: 27
        Quote: Gardamir
        Who do you think will lead the GKO?.

        Maybe Ramzan?
    2. +2
      1 October 2022 12: 54
      hi
      Let's think together whether it's time to create a GKO (State Defense Committee) and engage (in still peaceful conditions) with a real mobilization of the military-industrial complex ...

      Logical.
      Only one GKO is not enough. It is also necessary to create a committee in the State Duma, a committee in the Government with the Deputy Prime Minister, a public movement "In Support of Liman", hold a talk show on all channels and a demonstration.
      Well, the concert is for .... sewing (sealing up) with the slogan "Hang in there."
      To leave no doubt...
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  7. 0
    1 October 2022 10: 48
    Well, at least some positive news. Given Zelensky's hysterical attempt to join NATO, there is reason to believe that there will be our counteroffensive
  8. +6
    1 October 2022 10: 50
    Congratulations to all those involved on the Day of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation! Especially those who are now at the front!
  9. +8
    1 October 2022 10: 51
    It seems that we really do not have the forces for the complete deblockade of the Liman group in the hot reserve.
    And here again the question is for our scientists from the General Staff.
    Haven't you been making too many miscalculations lately, gentlemen generals?
    Maybe at least someone has the courage to retire without shame?
    In war we need people who know how to take responsibility for their actions.
  10. 0
    1 October 2022 10: 57
    Comments, as always, are couch-like, if only all the commentators were going to the front, how much they were talking about mobilization, as it happened, everyone got pinched in the opposite direction. They can only criticize. What Putin said, we will fight according to the situation, to the best of our ability, at the front and in the headquarters, people are the same as we are, not gods
    1. +8
      1 October 2022 11: 20
      You don’t have to be God to prevent the Izyum catastrophe, for TWO MONTHS everyone was shouting that forces were being concentrated there for the offensive, but nothing was done at all. As a result, tens of thousands of civilians were framed and the arsenal abandoned. am
    2. +7
      1 October 2022 11: 56
      Quote: alexey_444
      Comments, as always, are couch-like, if only all the commentators were going to the front, how much they were talking about mobilization, as it happened, everyone got pinched in the opposite direction. They can only criticize.

      From the family ... I have a nephew, or rather was. No, he's alive and well. But was. Two years ago, he retired, was a contract worker. Well, as he says - like such a valuable shot - they did not appreciate it. Those with whom I served are already almost veterans, but they were young, that's it, the garages are nearby. they say that they were glad when his contract ended, as they say, shoo from the forge. February 24 came. He began to sing songs, yes, yes, yes, yes, if they ask, then of course, in general terms, if he went to serve on February 25, then approximately the number of 27-28 Lviv would be ours. In April, he received a letter - would you like to enter the contract service? Why, I have so many things to do here, but I’m an aircraft mechanic according to the VUS, and I’m in motorized rifles ... Well, and so during the summer, I was flooded with a nightingale, about what a “priceless archangel” disappears in the rear ... No, of course, like a wife as soon as he gives birth, he will immediately help the General Staff and rush into battle ... But then partial mobilization broke out ... Mom, you don’t get a summons, he is registered at one address, lives at another. If they ask, you don't know where I live ( fool ) To my question, what did diarrhea come from? Yes, you don’t understand, this is not our war, but how can we fight with our Slav brothers (the Bandera people have already become Slav brothers to him), but in general, let the Ukrainians figure it out among themselves ... That's how my nephew died. There was a very strong couch strategist, but partial mobilization failed ....
      1. +1
        1 October 2022 13: 31
        I lost my nephew and niece in much the same way. You see our guys are murderers, looters and rapists. Well, I sang both of them, now we don’t communicate.
  11. +11
    1 October 2022 11: 00
    In fact, this is no longer the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but NATO troops. They have nothing Ukrainian (except for a part of the "meat"). The enemy is strong, prepared and, alas, knows how to fight. The more valuable will be our victory. And it will be necessary, I believe in it!
  12. +2
    1 October 2022 11: 02
    In Liman, the guys rested to the end, the hhol is also rushing like the last time. If we can topple the stuff there, no matter how pathetic it may sound Liman, it can become the same symbol as Stalingrad.
    1. +1
      1 October 2022 11: 31
      Let's leave our heroes to each time.
  13. +3
    1 October 2022 11: 02
    A day or two will decide everything. If sufficient reserves are brought in and ours launch a counterattack, Zele will have to overdose himself for sure.
    1. -1
      1 October 2022 12: 29
      Quote: sanych
      A day or two will decide everything. If sufficient reserves are brought in and ours launch a counterattack, Zele will have to overdose himself for sure.

      That's the thing, if
  14. +1
    1 October 2022 11: 05
    Krasny Lyman is now the territory of Russia and all units of the RF Armed Forces, including those equipped with conscripts, can be deployed there
  15. +4
    1 October 2022 11: 05
    This is the 58th army. She is being transferred from the western border, and mobiles will stand up to replace the personnel officers.
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 11: 35
      Quote: chingachguc
      This is the 58th army. She is being transferred from the western border, and mobiles will stand up to replace the personnel officers.

      Here is a wise decision. To be honest, it was asking for it.
    2. 0
      1 October 2022 11: 38
      I read yesterday that mobiles are being transferred to Luhansk
  16. -1
    1 October 2022 11: 12
    At the expense of the loss of ukrov, here is fresh from the phone of one dead ukrovets.
    The morgues are full! :thumbsup:
    Not everything and not everywhere they win there ... :satisfied:
    1. +3
      1 October 2022 11: 37
      Already from the phone? Yesterday I read in a different interpretation. Everyone comes up with how he can. Moreover, there were practically no battles in the Izyum direction, after the order to leave.
  17. -5
    1 October 2022 11: 13
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Unlike you, there are those in Liman who have the strength to fight. Let's retreat, the front may collapse. Up to Lugansk

    You probably fight heroically in Liman? Or, like me, are you relaxing at home?
  18. -3
    1 October 2022 11: 15
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Old ensign
    I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers there?

    Do you know losses?

    Certainly not known. I always took care of my soldiers. This is the officer's duty.
  19. -7
    1 October 2022 11: 17
    Well, faces in the photo ... it's hard for me to imagine how with such a gash you can capture at least something ?! According to the photo, it’s just gopota typed by chance. Not a single intelligent person with good constitutional data.
    1. +6
      1 October 2022 11: 32
      Everyone's faces are the same, including ours. If you think the worse the face, the worse they fight, then I will disappoint you.
      1. -1
        1 October 2022 12: 18
        Believe me, I would not say so if I had no idea about it at all. I was not only talking about faces, even more not about faces, but about habitus in general.
      2. -1
        1 October 2022 12: 25
        I disappoint these people. There are those who want to look good and correct in public, and let's say they say that it doesn't matter how a person looks. One lady said so in a conversation with me. Then I invited her to imagine that a ladybug was crawling on her arm, and asked how you would feel at that moment? He said this: well, I would watch her with a smile, I would have positive emotions and so on. Then I invited her to imagine the same thing, but not a ladybug, but a cockroach is crawling on her arm. She experienced disgust at that moment. So do not be cunning and say that a neat-looking person and a bum, from whom it carries a mile away, will cause you the same feelings. This is an innate quality, I tell you, that we are sharpened by nature instinctively that something that looks bad or smells, or some kind of physical ugliness, will instinctively cause us fear. Imagine for a moment that a snotty, smelly, unwashed, untidy person wants to greet and hug you by the hand? Your body will instinctively lean back, and the emotion of disgust will appear on your face.
        Study science in this direction, then we will not have misunderstandings.
        Do you know that a person has 7 emotions created by nature for the survival of a population of people? Fear, joy, surprise, sadness, disgust, contempt, anger. So here is just one of them, "contempt" acquired. For a baby cannot despise lying in a crib, this is an acquired, social emotion. All others are congenital. Fear is the most important emotion. With the help of joy, the baby shows the mother that he is glad for her, that he feels good when she is around. Surprise appears a little later, when he starts to beat on rattles, etc. Sadness manifests itself when the mother is not around, that she has moved away from him. But we need disgust in order to show that we do not like something and cause rejection. Have you ever observed when a mother tries to bottle feed the same baby, and the child frowns and instinctively deviates, spitting? So remember for yourself, no one taught the child this, it is laid down from birth in order to survive.
        I summarize: when I wrote that “well, their faces” and how you can capture something with such data, I didn’t mean their skills in general, but said that instinctively their habitus disgusted me and astonishment. All the best. And yes, we probably have those too, I completely agree with you here.
  20. 0
    1 October 2022 12: 00
    Quote: Old ensign
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Old ensign
    I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers there?

    Do you know losses?

    Certainly not known. I always took care of my soldiers. This is the officer's duty.

    I am the so-called. "jacket", but I was taught at the military department that the officer's duty is to follow the order. And saving soldiers - as far as possible. But if anything - correct me, maybe it was in the Soviet army, but now it's different?
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 12: 17
      Quite right ... To complete the task is the most important thing, in war, unfortunately, they kill ...
    2. 0
      1 October 2022 12: 54
      Quote: acetophenon
      I am the so-called. "jacket", but I was taught at the military department that the officer's duty is to follow the order. And saving soldiers - as far as possible. But if anything - correct me, maybe it was in the Soviet army, but now it's different?

      In principle, everything is correct.
      But I would make an edit.
      Even better, is to follow the order and save as many soldiers as possible.
      "Dead lions are of no use to anyone."
  21. -2
    1 October 2022 12: 10
    The Aerican ISW ​​dispassionately predicts the encirclement and destruction of our group in Krasny Liman within 3 days, provided that "the Russian command does not take emergency measures to unblock"
    That's all Sladkovo for you "In Liman, a lot is not what it seems. It's far from positive. I'm waiting for official versions."
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 12: 31
      American intelligence said that we would take Kyiv in 96 hours.
      1. -1
        1 October 2022 19: 09
        "American intelligence said that we would take Kyiv in 96 hours"
        as always, the bourgeois were wrong. unprofessionals, what can I say
  22. -1
    1 October 2022 12: 41
    hi
    Well, everything is clear with Liman: "... the situation near Krasny Liman is extremely difficult. Alexander Sladkov pointedly: In Liman, a lot is not what it seems. It's far from positive. I'm waiting for official versions."
    Hmm ...
    Medvedev D. A. 08 08 08 was, it turns out, a good VGK ...

    Soforumchane, who has any assumptions about what will happen next?
    1. Option from Strelkov: "the enemy is conducting an "auxiliary" (or generally diverting) offensive near Liman, masking his intended main attack on the Zaporozhye front, and also trying to divert our reserves from there. Actually, even now I consider this danger to be quite probable, because, unlike the Liman region, an enemy breakthrough somewhere under the Pologi or south of Ugledar threatens to collapse the front and threaten the encirclement of our entire Kherson group, the enemy’s exit to the Crimean Isthmus and - in as a result - to the strategic defeat of the RF Armed Forces with unpredictable overall consequences."
    2. My option: pause in the database. The APU must run out of prepared units and mat. reserves?
    3. A widely advertised option: "winding up the front along Oskol" towards Svatovo - Troitskoye.
    4. IMHO, another variant of the "big swing of 14 years" is possible, in the sense of 1914. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin an attack on the right bank of the Dnieper (Kherson region), using their shorter and faster transport routes and the fact that ours are in the database near Liman and guard Zaporozhye ( "Strelkov's variant" guarded).

    What are your thoughts?
    1. 0
      1 October 2022 13: 39
      The option to look at the root and think in the direction of "and who are all the people who were broadcasting and broadcasting about the fascist regime of Ukraine, a preventive strike ("preempted by two weeks"), "genocide" and what do these people have with honesty? not provided in principle?
      1. -1
        1 October 2022 14: 00
        hi
        Hmm, many people look "at the root", as they say - "not only everyone."

        But it seems to me (sorry if I'm wrong) that "looking at the root" people are not quite the ones from whom you expect such observations: "What am I doing - get ready guys! Prepare yourself! Rely on no one. Only the mutual assistance of the people really works.
        Here is the system...
        The system has outlived itself. The world will not be the same. And God forbid that this system also goes down in history.
        It should be replaced by prompt response, flexible thinking, mobility and adequacy of decision-making, competent analysis and accurate forecasting.
        Many words something.
        In short so!
        Assign Intelligence to the Ministry of Defense, Katulin and Livesey to the Ministry of Health, Shalnyak to the Ministry of Transport, Cascade, Kehl and Komanem to the Ministry of Communications, Arthur to the office of the older brothers, Firebomber to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and I will take that very button, epta, for adequacy - this is us. And everything will be as it should)))
        "(c) Intelligence
        https://t.me/s/razvedosaa

        After the topicroot observations"disclosed, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that my post was about what to expect next militarily.

        And the topicWho is to blame and what to do"It has not been closed for 150 years and somehow I doubt that it will be closed at all, the chance is missed.
        By the way, I agree with youand what do these people have with honesty?" is not provided in principle". From a certain level, "political necessity", "it is necessary", "expediency" and so on appear. But this is so, an invaluable observation.
        1. -3
          1 October 2022 14: 05
          Something non-existent Ukrainian reserves raged, armed with one pistol for three) hi
          1. 0
            1 October 2022 14: 41
            Greetings!
            hi
            I haven't seen you for a long time, I've already expressed my regrets...
            Yes, we have already finished with a pistol for three. And with small groups IMHO, also finished.

            What are your thoughts on the topic? Which of the 4 options seems more realistic? Only this time, let's do without redirecting to Zaluzhny.
            1. -2
              1 October 2022 16: 34
              Quote: Wildcat
              Haven't seen you for a long time

              I doubt they will stay here for long.
              Quote: Wildcat
              without redirection to Zaluzhny


              Of course not..
              I just from him laughing

              Girkin seems to have finally broken through to command positions, at least his party of radicals won the war of the Kremlin towers (the explosion of pipes and the hasty recognition of new subjects of the federation, in general, the burning of all bridges). Therefore, he quickly changes his shoes in the air and writes exculpatory opuses in the spirit of those who just mercilessly smashed up to ten days ago)
        2. +1
          1 October 2022 14: 12
          I understand everything, even overgrown boys want to draw arrows on the map, we are all not without sin. But if we replace any political analysis with "expediency", and precisely in the interpretation that is beneficial to the people who arranged this whoredom, and you really want to put on a cocked hat, wouldn't it be better instead of guessing at the thick of the operational level, start with a strategic situation. And there everything is obscenely simple:
          1. APU is much stronger than 24.02
          2. RF Armed Forces are weaker than 24.02.
          Demilitarization is indeed in full swing.
          1. 0
            1 October 2022 14: 59
            IMHO, the political analysis at the military forum somehow looks unexpected.
            But if it exists, please let me know. Undoubtedly, it will be interesting.

            I will not hide, I would like an "operational level".

            Because "strategic" does not look very and not realistic, especially in terms of "RF Armed Forces are weaker than 24.02."
            If the RF Armed Forces receive a clear military task in the form of "defending the borders along the border of the Russian Federation", if we recall the "mobile reserve of 25 million" and "we have not started yet" with references to nuclear weapons, the strategy will be slightly different.

            So for now, I urge you to focus on the operational level.

            P S. About "overage boys" is funny, but unnecessary. I'm not writing about pique vests.
            Moreover, the "boys" from the Razvedos post are more interesting, who have already divided the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Defense and "the same button".
            1. +3
              1 October 2022 16: 14
              About "overage boys" is funny, but unnecessarily

              It wasn't an outburst hell hominem. This can be attributed to anyone sitting here, and to me too.
              Moreover, the "boys" from the Razvedos post are more interesting, who have already divided the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Defense and "the same button".

              These clowns are not really interesting. Of all the boys, only those with a snuffbox are now interesting. They are not on the horizon. So the show will go on.
              Because "strategic" does not look very and not realistic, especially in terms of "RF Armed Forces are weaker than 24.02."
              If the RF Armed Forces receive a clear military task in the form of "defending the borders along the border of the Russian Federation", if we recall the "mobile reserve of 25 million" and "we have not started yet" with references to nuclear weapons, the strategy will be slightly different.

              My "analysis" can be arbitrarily bad. But there is no "if" in it.
              There is no chance of winning the conflict by conventional means. To do this, you need to take up the mind, but it was not demonstrated at any of the levels. By "winning" is meant any significant change in the border at the expense of Ukraine. The use of nuclear weapons is an act of impotence and the transfer of the conflict to a higher level.
              One can argue, say, whether or not the Zadneprovskaya grouping of the RF Armed Forces is a sitting duck or when the Armed Forces of Ukraine run out of steam. But this is talk about buttons in Trishkin's caftan

              ZY I am not able to give any operational analysis. I was sure that the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not avoid the boiler in Severodonetsk-Lysichansk, I was sure that the main blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be inflicted in the Kherson direction, I was sure of stubborn battles in the Kharkov region. Probably just not my cup of tea). No more hardcore, just retrospective
              1. +2
                2 October 2022 20: 15
                hi

                "The battle for Kherson: the situation on the Olginsky site
                as of 18.30 October 2, 2022
                Ukrainian formations continue the offensive launched yesterday on the right flank of the Krivoy Rog direction.
                ▪️During the attack from Osokorovka, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to establish control over the settlement of Zolotaya Balka, as well as Shevchenkovka and Lyubimovka.
                ▪️The enemy uses a significant numerical superiority in manpower, caused by the rare orders of the RF Armed Forces in the entire direction.
                ▪️At the moment, fighting continues along the entire line of contact. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to move south along the Dnieper towards Dudchan and Berislav.
                "
                https://t.me/s/rybar

                "Kherson region. Berislav direction
                The enemy occupied Zolotaya Balka no more than a day ago.
                Now our units are fighting near the settlement. Dudchany with advanced detachments of the enemy.
                25 km
                "
                https://t.me/s/dva_majors

                So far, everything is according to option 4, unfortunately: "IMHO, another option is possible" big swing 14 years ", in the sense of 1914. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will launch an attack on the right bank of the Dnieper (Kherson region)"
          2. -3
            1 October 2022 16: 35
            Quote: Engineer
            instead of divination in the thick

            All ingenious is simple)
            Greetings sincerely! hi
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 16: 37
              Good afternoon,
              Got an amnesty? ) Or honestly, "from call to call"?
              Everything here is so interesting that it's scary
              1. -3
                1 October 2022 16: 47
                Quote: Engineer
                amnesty

                ..do not trust, do not fear, do not ask... So..from call to call.28.06-28.09.
                waiting for life)
                Quote: Engineer
                everything is so interesting

                Nothing unexpected or unpredictable. You know very well the introductory ones - overestimation of one's own forces, underestimation of the enemy, the absolute unpreparedness of the army and society for reality, preemption in mobilization, the combined economic and military potential of the parties. The final is inevitable and logical.
                Everything else (time, losses, the price of everything, etc.) is tragic, but particular
                1. 0
                  1 October 2022 16: 54
                  So we drink to the bottom
                  Worst of all, literally in a generation, people will begin to perceive this era as Russia's golden age in the fight against existential threats. There will be an official version of the "undefeated army" and "stab in the back." And again, those sitting on the couch will demand revenge and blood. And again, some swindler will take advantage of this with a predictable result.
                  1. -2
                    1 October 2022 17: 10
                    Quote: Engineer
                    drink to the bottom

                    Judging by what is happening since 21.09, the hawks who burn all the bridges have finally won.

                    But there are also paradoxical reasons for optimism .... since these are the same people who failed everything before September 21.09, they will most likely fail just as deafeningly and everything else. Miracles do not happen). And everything will end much faster than it might seem now. ..but this is just guessing on the coffee grounds.

                    Quote: Engineer
                    literally a generation

                    Unfortunately, your forecast has every reason to come true .. but there is one BUT. There are two sides to this game. And the opposite side admits its mistakes and somehow corrects them. Since this short golden age became possible exclusively with Western money and technology. ..they will no longer be at least for a very long time. At least in sufficient quantities to try a new revenge.
                    Everything else is an exclusively internal affair of Russian society
  23. +2
    1 October 2022 12: 47
    If they allow the troops to calmly pull up, then they get such a result. How much can you write about bridges across the Dnieper? Why substations 700\150 were not destroyed? Etc.....
  24. 0
    1 October 2022 12: 49
    Quote: acetophenon
    Quote: Old ensign
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Old ensign
    I don’t understand why so stubbornly cling to Liman, putting so many soldiers there?

    Do you know losses?

    Certainly not known. I always took care of my soldiers. This is the officer's duty.

    I am the so-called. "jacket", but I was taught at the military department that the officer's duty is to follow the order. And saving soldiers - as far as possible. But if anything - correct me, maybe it was in the Soviet army, but now it's different?

    I'm a jacket too. We were taught to protect people and weapons. And then everything else...
  25. +2
    1 October 2022 12: 51
    Quote: alexey_444
    Comments, as always, are couch-like, if only all the commentators were going to the front, how much they were talking about mobilization, as it happened, everyone got pinched in the opposite direction. They can only criticize. What Putin said, we will fight according to the situation, to the best of our ability, at the front and in the headquarters, people are the same as we are, not gods


    Definitely not gods. Just opportunists and careerists. And you need others who know how to think and fight ...
  26. -1
    1 October 2022 13: 14
    Most likely, today is the last day in the defense of Liman. He completed his task. He held off the advance of the enemy for three weeks. the entire initiative of the Armed Forces of Ukraine converged at one point. Soon everything will change
  27. 0
    1 October 2022 13: 15
    It is good that the boiler for our troops was avoided.
    But it’s bad that the flags have already begun to fasten the flag to the stele at the entrance to Liman: https://t.me/milinfolive/91180
  28. +1
    1 October 2022 13: 31
    Apparently Liman is lost, managers in stripes are not trained to sing, they are more and more about sawing specialists. But yesterday there were concerts, rallies and other feasts during the plague. The beginning is so-so, they did not have time to attach the territory - as they immediately pissed off. They also put people in. Khokhl calmly builds crossings at Liman, and in a parallel reality, Konashenkov has complete air supremacy, with Caliber, Onyx and other Iskanders along the way, he is already full of tension, judging by the frequency of their use. It would seem that it would be easier to gouge the ice of the crossing near Liman, but I couldn’t, I couldn’t ... And again, no one is to blame, not a single bastard was shot, it is itself ..,,
  29. -1
    1 October 2022 16: 59
    Quote: yuriy55
    Let's think together whether it's time to create a GKO and engage (in still peaceful conditions) with a real mobilization of the military-industrial complex ...
    And let's! The government still suffers from garbage (opens holidays, looks at tank biathlon guys - they have no time to deal with such nonsense). Let's think, we'll argue, we'll beat each other's faces, and after that we'll drink a glass, and write an order to Putin - let him do it, damn it! %-(
  30. 0
    1 October 2022 22: 58
    The problem is not in Lyman, but in the fact that the front cannot be stabilized. Urgent changes are needed in the front's military leadership. Change commander.
  31. -1
    2 October 2022 00: 12
    Russian brothers, I believe in you!!! drinks
    Rustí bratři, věřím Vám. Vydržte
  32. -2
    2 October 2022 00: 27
    Keep it up. Let's show the ukrams who's boss here.
  33. kig
    -1
    2 October 2022 07: 25
    If you want to know the latest news, then look for them on telegram. At least even the Military Review https://t.me/topwar_official.

    And here the "news" is hopelessly late.
  34. 0
    2 October 2022 16: 30
    I don't understand something. Full of information about the blocking of the Armed Forces of the Russian city of Krasny Liman. But information about the blocking of the Russian city of Kyiv by the troops of the Russian Federation is nowhere to be seen. Our General Staff went into a binge, or what?
  35. 0
    2 October 2022 23: 37
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "What humanity, on the part of the Ukrainian Reich!" ////
    ----
    This is not humanity, but rationality.
    The fewer defenders, the faster the city will be taken.
    In addition, the psychological factor: when they see that someone is leaving, the rest of the soldiers can abandon their positions.

    I do not believe. On a long journey, there will always be a couple of other fools who do not understand your "rationality" and will hit any column with machine guns.

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