The German edition wonders how the German intelligence services could "miss" sabotage on gas pipelines

Following the European Union, the North Atlantic Alliance announced a decisive response to sabotage against the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines. According to NATO, any attack on the critical infrastructure of the member states of the alliance will entail an unambiguous and unified response. This is written by the German edition Junge Welt.

Politicians from the most Russophobic countries of the European Union and NATO immediately started talking about a "terrorist attack", hinting that Russia could have carried it out. For example, Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis called the attacks on the gas pipeline a terrorist act. Green MEP Reinhard Bütikofer also saw these bizarre incidents as manifestations of state terrorism.

It is possible that the attacks could have been on a larger scale than the media suggests. For example, the Swedish Coast Guard managed to detect another gas leak on Thursday - the fourth in a row. Both lines of Nord Stream 1 are seriously damaged.

As the German edition writes, in Russia, in turn, they express confidence that the United States could be involved in the damage to the gas pipeline. With reference to Russian sources, the German publication writes that on the night from Sunday to Monday, a US helicopter MH-60R Strike Hawk was seen near the island of Bornholm. Such a rotorcraft has the ability to attack underwater targets.

In addition, the United States has unmanned underwater vehicles that could also carry out such attacks. Run underwater drones could even civilian ships that do not cause concern to the coast guard.

The Russian side also wonders why NATO and the armed forces of European countries did not know anything about the ongoing sabotage, although the Baltic Sea is one of the most controlled in the world. In the light of recent events, it is oversaturated with ships of the NATO countries, planes and helicopters of the aviation of the member countries of the alliance regularly fly over it.

German intelligence services, for example, conduct regular monitoring of the situation in the Baltic Sea. How they could "miss" the sabotage is not very clear. Former Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski, who thanked the United States and then deleted the post, also contributed to growing suspicions that the US military and intelligence agencies were involved in the incident. And the reaction of US President Joe Biden is alarming.

Therefore, it is not surprising that Russia has such suspicions, according to Junge Welt. On Friday there will be a meeting of the UN Security Council on the developments around the gas pipelines. It was initiated by Russia.

Comments

[Nevsky_ZU]

And they kept a flashlight underwater

[Myths]

Firstly, they did not blink, and who knew tactfully turned away. Secondly, why should the slaves know what the occupant is doing?!

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

And they kept a flashlight underwater

the Swedes simply didn’t tell them that they would turn off the electricity in the cable that goes next to the gas pipeline in case of damage when the United States blows up the pipe!

[Tatyana]

The German edition wonders how the German intelligence services could "miss" sabotage on gas pipelines

Yes, it's very simple!
Furthermore. Yes, such pro-American TRAITORS of the German people and PESTS in Germany, such as: "liver sausage" Chancellor Olaf Scholz and trampoline jumper and German Foreign Minister Annalena Berbock and etc. - personally for themselves, the explosion of the Russian gas pipelines "SP-2" and "SP-1" was also considered HAPPINESS! The sovereign national interests of Germany are absolutely on their side!

[Boniface]

for this, detachments of combat swimmers are created. to do such filigree things "under the nose" of the special services of states!

otherwise it is very problematic to protect 1224 km of the Nord Stream "minus" 24 miles - the coastal waters of Russia and Germany!

[Rus2012]

for this they are created squadrons of combat swimmers. to do twhat filigree things "under the nose" of the special services of states!

Filigree items with a minimum of 500kgBB x 4=2 tons! They, as I understand it, you have camels, each one drags a ton under water? This is not counting detonation-undermining devices. Plus - mechanisms for exposing and exposing the pipes themselves, each with a wall thickness of at least 5 cm.

In short, just people, without the provision of machines-mechanisms, it could not do there. A large-scale sabotage operation was carried out there. Not to find which, it is necessary to "stand back - smoke a pipe!" And for a long time...

[dorz]

The depth in the places of damage to the gas pipeline is 50-74 meters, superpowers are not needed there.

[Boniface]

I also understand you with a land past! Have you ever dived 10 meters?

[Boniface]

Well, I understand you with your past in the ground forces! I understand and "pipes" at a depth of smoking will not work!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Rus2012

They, as I understand it, you have camels, each one drags a ton under water?

I have long read in ZVO that the Germans during the years of the XNUMXth Century intended to attach containers with mines to their submarines for laying mines in the Baltic straits, why not do it now, only by other empirialists ...
He dropped containers with explosives from the American UDC, and then destroyed them with a directed explosion, damaged the pipes ...

[seregatara1969]

Can swimmers quickly dive and rise from 120 meters? Hardly!

[Romanenko]

Quote: "The German edition wonders how the German special services could "miss" sabotage on gas pipelines"
It was ordered to blink, and of course the Fritz - "zubefil", and blinked!

[Rus2012]

It was ordered to blink, and of course the Fritz - "zubefil", and blinked

if they are not idiots, well, at least one or two of the witnesses, then they probably recorded "suspicious actions." So chances are that something will pop up...

[chetvertak]

What will the FSB tell us? They wondered what they were doing in the places where the gas pipeline was laid? Did Gazprom guess that something strange was happening over the gas pipeline?

[Romanenko]

Let's start with the fact that Gazprom has its own security service that guards the corridors of main gas pipelines and compressor stations located on the territory of the Russian Federation, as for the section of the offshore gas pipeline located not on land, and even in foreign territorial waters, there must probably be some - agreements on ensuring security at the main transport facility. Moreover, the corridor for the passage of the object was agreed at the intergovernmental level with each of the parties in whose waters it will be located.
To what extent the FSB is involved in this is an ambiguous question, I think that this respected organization does not have its own Danish or Swedish branches, well, at least in relation to this case.
I think that if Russia is nevertheless invited somewhere to participate in investigative actions, it will immediately become known with documentary evidence who was supposed to "cover" the area where the emergency or terrorist attack occurred, let's wait for official reports, although reality almost obvious, there is an object, there are parties interested in its use, there is a precedent and there is a beneficiary from everything that happened.
There are no photos and other materials of the examination of the scene of the incident, no materials of the investigation and no materials of the collection of initial data.
And if the entire investigation is entrusted to the Dutch, Danes, Swedes, Poles or the British with the Americans, then it will not happen.

[chetvertak]

They explained everything very well! I didn’t expect such an explanation. There are countries listed at the end of your text! But they will investigate just like with the Boeing MH-17 The conclusion is known: First they will blame the Russian Federation, and they will also bury them until the next scheduled events. Maybe not just so Gazprom began to put a gas turbine engine for repairs? Suspected? The FSB gave information? Gazprom is silent after the terrorist attack!
About the FSB! The territory is naturally not ours! But they must collect and analyze information. It is impossible not to see that all actions take place exactly at the point where the gas pipeline branches pass. In general, everything that passes from us to them should be traced almost with a microscope . Who said what and what threat they are hinting at. Only we need to immediately say what can be behind these words, and not to make some kind of secrecy in relation to us and to them. And the US, EU, NATO often say their next steps with a hint

[tralflot1832]

The UN deliberately postponed the meeting at 22 00. At 19 00, the downtrodden gives an extended conference, conclusions will already be drawn, we blew it up, not they themselves. And we are waiting for 15 00.

[parusnik]

Russia asks NATO, partners, how did you miss us? Are you in the Baltic like dogs not cut? There is nowhere to spit.

[Pavel73]

Approximately the same as the prisoners of Auschwitz "missed" the strangulation of other prisoners in the gas chambers.

[Uprun]

They want gas in the return line, let them repair it themselves for their money, and henceforth let the receiving parties build pipelines to the border of Russia .....

[businessv]

Quote from uprun

henceforth, let the host parties build pipelines to the border of Russia .....

I think the point here is that our compradors were more interested in them than the host side, because the time they are at the helm is limited by the patience of the people. There is no need to look for the guilty here - who benefits? Although the issue is the exchange of our strategic raw materials for doubtful pieces of paper today. for which you can’t buy anything the country needs, it’s very relevant!

[rotmistr60]

the North Atlantic Alliance also announced a decisive response to sabotage against the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines

Will you answer collectively or will it only be the head of NATO? Every day more and more interesting information on this sabotage emerges. We have already heard about American ships and helicopters, but it turns out that for some "still incomprehensible" reason, the Swedish power cable passing next to the "SP" was de-energized for the period of explosions. The Poles have a big holiday - Baltic Pipe is currently the only (except for passing through Ukraine) gas pipeline to this part of Europe. Information for reflection (beneficial not only for the United States). Therefore, the Germans have somewhere to turn for clarification.

[Viktor29]

From another source:

Judging by the map, three leaks were recorded at Nord Stream and two at Nord Stream 2. Thus, all branches of gas pipelines can be damaged.

If, simply, the 5th leak in the Swedish EZ was fixed at SP-2, it is strange why the operator does not report anything about the pressure drop on the last line "A" of SP-2, well, if only the explosion was really on the same line "B" with with a spread of 70 km, one south of Bornholm, the other north next to the rest.

[Rus2012]

it is strange why the operator does not report anything about the pressure drop on the last line "A" of SP-2

there the pressure could be much less.

[Viktor29]

Quote: Rus2012

there the pressure could be much less.

Yes, no, so that the water pressure would not compress the pipes strongly, they were specially kept under pressure, it was reported that both were under 300 bar.

[Rus2012]

it was reported that both under 300 bar

Working 225max, pressing - 250
One under static, ready for delivery - 105, the other - not sure.

[paul3390]

There is only one question - RF is it on feijoa ??? Why tear up our gas pipelines if we could just turn the valve on? What did they actually do?

Apparently - someone in Germany did have the idea that on the eve of winter, it's time to end this curse. Frozen into a clean population and covered industry-Ukraine is not worth it. Well - now they don’t have such thoughts, they don’t have more options .. That’s what it means to just think wrong from the point of view of Fashington .. They will put you in a stall in an instant ..

In general, the war has entered an interesting phase. The West also has a lot of interesting things at the bottom, and it can also suddenly deteriorate .. Unless, of course, our leaders have enough Faberge for this. And for starters - smash ukroGTS to smithereens. So that no one has any illusions at all ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: paul3390

The West also has a lot of interesting things at the bottom, and it can also suddenly deteriorate ..

Yes, the whole Baltic is "littered" with power cables, communication cables, and various Polish pipelines (not far from the Russian MVMB), the field of activity for the successors and students of Petrov and Bashirov is huge - cut, drill, blow up, dig. A continuous expanse, and even the Atlantic, this is a fairy tale for novice readers "Technique of Youth".

[Reptiloid]

There is only one question - RF is it on feijoa ??? Why tear up our gas pipelines if we could just turn the valve on? What did they actually do?

It makes no difference to the Stockholm arbitration why Gazprom does not fulfill its obligations under the contract: because "they just turned the valve on" - or due to force majeure due to the actions of unknown saboteurs.

[paul3390]

The valve was turned on for a reason - but in connection with the turbines. Which we did not begin to repair .. And this is a direct force majeure. And by the way - the second stream was also not slowed down by us ..

[Reptiloid]

The valve was turned on for a reason - but in connection with the turbines. Which we didn't repair.

Could the Stockholm Arbitration be convinced of this?

[paul3390]

And now we have some business before his decisions??? For it is already extremely obvious - it is not any kind of arbitration, a purely one-sided trial. Besides - what can he do to the Russian Federation? All that is possible - has long been arrested without him ..

[Reptiloid]

and what can he do to the Russian Federation?

Create legal grounds for the financial persecution of Gazprom in "friendly" countries.

[Yrec]

At the bottom of the explosion, NATO divers will find empty bottles of Stolichnaya vodka, earflaps with a star and a piece of a poster with the inscription "I love Putin!" And they will also find eyewitnesses who saw in those places a rowing boat with a Russian flag and a crew that sang "Katyusha" to the beat of the oars. Russians are not people - they themselves are shelled, blown up, burned. What is not a state / people - a terrorist.

[sergo1914]

. how the German special services could "miss" sabotage on gas pipelines

1) recreate the geheimstatspolizei;
2) to take someone by the warm udder and thoughtfully ask around;
3) punish according to the old manuals.

[Uprun]

Self-explosion is not our method ... we practice on turbines, insert screwdrivers, sticks in the right places on time ... but self-explosion is not, not our topic ... no matter what they say ...

[tihonmarine]

German intelligence services, for example, conduct regular monitoring of the situation in the Baltic Sea. How they could "miss" the sabotage is not very clear.

But the Swedes, "did not overlook" even before the explosion itself, de-energized their power cable, which lies pockmarked with Potok.6

[chetvertak]

So all four were in the know, and this is an international organized crime group. Ours will not demand compensation either! I wonder what the cost is if all compensation payments are hung on them?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: HAM

So all four were in the subject, and this is an international organized crime group. Ours will not demand compensation either!

And where did you see an organized crime group giving out compensation.

[HAM]

Somehow a couple of weeks ago here at VO, and on TV there was a story about the training of combat swimmers from one of the tribal countries .... a coincidence!?? ... I don’t think ..... these will do whatever you want in ecstasy, but on it’s hard to think of them, because they are noobs .... but they can do just that .....

[kulemin0025gmail.com]

I wonder why Russia does not blow up the Polish gas pipeline? But no! Russians are idiots. And so they decided to blow up their own. Did the brains completely stop working in Geyrop? That's what life-giving cola and burgers do

[Roma 1977]

Elementary, Watson! If Russia had blown up the Polish pipe, then everyone would immediately understand that Russia did it. And since the Russian pipes were blown up, then mmm ... still Russia. Yes, even if nothing had been blown up, Russia would still be to blame. There, gays are infringed, after all, and this is even worse than gas pipelines.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Roma-1977

If Russia had blown up the Polish pipe, then everyone would immediately understand that Russia did it. And since the Russian pipes were blown up, then mmm ... still Russia.

I also think so, but all the time the thought drills - "Well, since Russia is responsible for both its Nord Streams and the Polish pipeline, why not silently calmly, and filming directly on cameras, blow up the Polish Stream"
And the whole West will immediately have no questions, and the desire to blow up will also disappear.

[AG-76]

"how did the German special services" miss ...?
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Why include a fool - how missed?
They did not blink, but simply closed their eyes at the right moment ...
As if it is not clear who controls all the secret services of the EU countries, NATO, "Square", etc.

[Alexander Soviet Union]

What are the secret services of Germany? German branch of the CIA, or something

[AlexTires]

Because everything happened in the waterways of Denmark and Sweden

[Petr_Koldunov]

It's like asking the admission committee at the institute - how could she miss the admission to the faculty without the exams of the rector's son!
Well, who will notice what the owners from the States said not to notice!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Why not take advantage of this?.. Blame Ukraine and Poland for undermining, and after that, the EU will cut off the flow of money and military assistance to Ukraine for them. It is possible that the sanctions will be lifted, in part. At least start thinking about canceling. The key is to be persuasive. Here are our RT and Skabeeva and the cards in hand. And then they are already fed up with a row, with their "experts",, They are poured from empty to empty. , And for more cynicism. People love this, OI Bender.

[Amateur]

The German secret services are engaged in the manipulation of evidence for "war crimes in Bucha" and the purchase of toilet paper for future use for Foreign Minister Annalena Berbock.

[Uprun]

No, these are weak for fraud, bulk cowards as an example ..... they could not provide fabricated arguments ...., only blah blah ....

[Two]

Duty excuse! I'm not myself! And the house is not mine!

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: seregatara1969

Can swimmers quickly dive and rise from 120 meters? Hardly!

For swimmers ++++++++++++++!
Without knowing the Russian language ... but they climb to comment on something! With a pig's snout, but in the Kalash row!

[Roman_Vasilyevich]

I look forward to the news in the feed that some tankers carrying LNG are in distress in the ocean ...

[Enoch]

No way - they are all subject to the world Shid government.

[isv000]

The German edition wonders how the German intelligence services could "miss" sabotage on gas pipelines

The morgologist is strong in the Pentagon, he said to blink and freeze between myrgas ...

[dementor873]

Sit quietly on the bank of the river, and the frozen corpse of your enemy will float by under a thick layer of ice.

[Ivanushka-555]

Why would the Russians blow up the pipeline if they can just not pump gas! Thought not mine, sounded earlier. Moreover, Gazprom (of course, at the suggestion of the Kremlin) in the case of turbines showed how it can turn on a fool in the best traditions of the West.

[Emergency]

They didn't seem to blink. He must have been told to close his eyes tightly. They closed them, and even turned their backs.