Yampol and Drobyshevo abandoned, the ring around Krasny Liman almost closed

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Yampol and Drobyshevo abandoned, the ring around Krasny Liman almost closed

The situation in the Krasnolimansky direction is developing in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the enemy has almost closed the ring around the city, Yampol and Drobyshevo have been abandoned and moved into the "gray" zone. This information is currently being received.

Krasny Liman was actually surrounded, the last road to Torskoye is under enemy fire control, although it is not physically cut off. It was possible to pull up reserves, the 503rd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment from the 19th Motorized Rifle Division of the 58th Combined Arms Army was transferred to Krasny Liman. Now motorized riflemen, together with units of the allied forces, are trying to expand the closing ring.



From the northern direction, Vsushnikov managed to stop on the line of the southern outskirts of Stavok - Zarechnoye. The Headquarters themselves are occupied by the enemy, ours control only the southern outskirts. To the north of Zarechny, Ukrainian DRGs freely cross the Zherebets River and enter the area of ​​the highway to Svatovo. Yampol was abandoned, just like Drobyshevo, all units retreated to Krasny Liman. Ours still hold Krasny Liman, Stavki, Zarechnoye and Torskoye.


The RF Armed Forces continue to inflict fire damage on advancing enemy units. But at the moment, the Liman defensive line has narrowed to the administrative boundaries of the city itself.

- reports the TG channel Rybar.

The situation is really very difficult, there is a high probability of the fall of the Red Liman, if additional reserves are not transferred. At the same time, unofficial sources claim that Krasny Liman is used to block significant forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which could develop an offensive deep into the territory of the LPR, but ran into the city. The transfer of small reserves cannot improve the situation, a large-scale strike is being prepared, but this requires time, which Krasny Lyman gives.
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    1. +61
      30 September 2022 11: 48
      it's... it's not any censorship words. shock....

      Guys, hold on!
      1. +5
        30 September 2022 11: 52
        Quote: Nexcom
        Guys, hold on!

        "There is no need to despair." S. Captain Kolesnikov.
        1. +17
          30 September 2022 14: 46
          "There is no need to despair." S. Captain Kolesnikov.

          Heroism is a consequence of the pro @ bov of the General Staff. © Narodnoe
          1. +5
            1 October 2022 00: 48
            Heroism is a consequence
            Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.

            Highly recommend https://t.me/s/namarshe/1596
            If anything:
            On the march Z
            ⚡️ The operational-tactical situation in Krasny Liman has been reversed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are discouraged and suffer disproportionate losses. Strikes by the 58A and 20 reserves that came to the rescue with a wedge at the junction of the front from two directions knocked the enemy headquarters off balance. Aviation works well at night. Screws separate bow. I don’t want to guess, but it seems that by pulling the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Slavyansk and Kramatorsk to Liman, we exposed the Kharkov front. It smells like a counterattack.
            381.6Kviews
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            And about all sorts of fish:
            On the march Z
            By the way, when comrade Rybar and his night writers post about the “multiple superiority” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Krasny Liman as a conclusion about the “difficult situation”, what do they want to achieve? To sow panic among primates?
            We... Bakhmut's Orchestra forces are three times smaller than they are defending. And every day we take quarter after quarter from them.
            1. +1
              1 October 2022 08: 54
              The Rybar TV channel has long been suspected of subversion. Not only does it sow panic with its tantrums, it also constantly leaks information about the number of allied troops in different directions, the number and weapons of our defenders and reinforcements coming to the rescue. It's time for the FSB to take care of those who run this channel.
              1. +2
                1 October 2022 09: 12
                It's time for the FSB to take care of those who run this channel

                The FSB has enough other concerns. Rybar has pure populism, the pursuit of fried facts. I deleted his TG channel as well as Yu. Podolyak's "permanent environment". I also deleted Vladlen's TG channel, from him through the word "roosters", which is suspicious. I read the lengthy fabrications of Khodakovsky, he writes well and beautifully, although he is still stumped. While he left Elder Edda, he at least a little calmer submits information. Seeds of Pegov, Vargonzo, with his staged films, turned off a long time ago. It is difficult to find objective information. Sladkov was threatened with a finger from the Kremlin, and he was blown away.
                1. +2
                  1 October 2022 10: 07
                  Yes, he was also disappointed in Podolyak, all his prophecies and scenarios were ALWAYS covered with a copper basin. The only thing is that sometimes he criticizes the authorities in the case. Now he is subscribed to the cart of VO and Anna-News, the most adequate. The rest either post each other, or carry gag and spam with advertisements of debility tg channels. He also subscribed to the enemy "Legitimate", they also adequately write there, albeit enemies.
                2. +1
                  1 October 2022 11: 40
                  Rybar has pure populism, the pursuit of fried facts.

                  Come on, normal generalized analytics and fitting of the important.
                  Difficult to find objective information

                  Absolutely agree. when reading anyone, you need to keep in mind that no one is perfect and everyone can fix, or even sell out. Rybar is also not a panacea, but it’s banal if you read not him, then someone else? I haven't found a better source.
              2. 0
                1 October 2022 11: 36
                Not only does it sow panic with its tantrums, it also constantly leaks information about the number of allied troops in different directions

                And do not bother to give an example of one and the other?
                It's time for the FSB to take care of those who run this channel.

                It's time for you to take up specialists.
                Rybar is one of the most reliable and accurate generalized sources of information about the conflict. Sometimes, of course, pearls like Leopards near Kherson slip through, but this, in my memory, was no more than a few times for the entire company.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2022 12: 57
                  I unsubscribed from Rybar and for the sake of you I will not subscribe again. You read it, so study it, even his last posts, where he indicates which units of the allied forces, where and how they take up defense, with what composition and weapons near Liman. And yes, write to the FSB about me, I will read you.
                  1. +1
                    1 October 2022 13: 31
                    Themselves give arguments in favor of my opinion is of course strong.
                    His last post on the forces and the situation in Krasny Liman is actually a repost of either Jodorowsky or Ed. In any case, the first post in which reinforcements were mentioned.

                    I repeat about Rybar - I don’t know the best Russian-language source summarizing information on the state of affairs as briefly as possible, and it’s unlikely that such a one will just appear like that.

                    And as for the fact that it is not clear where to get reliable information (it was somewhere from you in the neighboring comments), I fully support it.

                    For myself, I have long determined that it is necessary to read information from both sides, and as objective as possible (Arestovich to listen - God forbid, Podolyak should not be taken seriously either). Here, in this case, just the most adequate on our part is Rybar, on their part, recently ridiculed at the American Institute of War. Well, the only difficulty is that the latter must be read in English, that both of them require more time than I can afford, and besides, I won’t be surprised that they also read each other. That's why I read one Rybar.
          2. +2
            1 October 2022 04: 36
            If you think like that, then Kutuzov should have been hanged in public: (...
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 09: 05
              Quote: ilya.muromczev2013
              If you think like that, then Kutuzov should have been hanged in public: (...


              in principle you are right. he was no commander.

              next to him it was necessary to hang the parricide who made this mess for Russia, Alexander I Pavlovich.
              1. 0
                1 October 2022 09: 45
                he was no commander.

                Sleep through the artillery at Borodino and leave the wounded in Moscow .... if not for Barclay, then everything would have ended sadly. Yes, and Alexander fell for the British ...
          3. -2
            1 October 2022 05: 00
            A rat and an eagle have a different view. And verbal diarrhea shows the level of underdevelopment.
            The end is one, Ukraine as a state will soon cease to exist.
            1. -1
              1 October 2022 19: 37
              Quote: Synoid
              A rat and an eagle have a different view.

              I know where you got the comparison of an eagle and a rat from.

              charming psychopath quote
              Nazi, Hans Land. Inglorious ki.
              all according to Freud.
              1. -1
                2 October 2022 05: 16
                The movie is shit. But as for idols, the Nazis are your friends.
      2. +4
        30 September 2022 11: 53
        At the same time, unofficial sources claim that Krasny Liman is used to block significant forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which could develop an offensive deep into the territory of the LPR, but ran into the city.

        Sweet pill? I hope that there will be a blow to the APU recourse
        1. +22
          30 September 2022 11: 55
          There was such a film "Battalions ask for fire." Two battalions were thrown into a disastrous breakthrough on the bank of the Dnieper occupied by the Germans in order to divert enemy forces to themselves and thereby facilitate the division's throw to the strategically important city of Dnieper. The main formations should support them with artillery and aviation fire. However, the command suddenly changes the offensive plan, leaving the battalions without fire support, which dooms them to certain death.
          As for Liman, I’m not sure about the counterattack, in 7 months we spent all the combat-ready manpower, we lost partial mobilization in time, the Himers took out artillery warehouses. We have a result.
          1. +10
            30 September 2022 11: 57
            that is, our guys - kranty? And is it just a matter of time? because plans have changed (c)?
            1. +41
              30 September 2022 12: 02
              because plans have changed (c)?

              No, the plans have not changed. What the hell has been going on over there for the last month.
              1. +17
                30 September 2022 13: 59
                It's been 7 months what the hell is going on.
              2. -4
                1 October 2022 05: 07
                Well, if you filter the info:
                APU rod in the forehead, under artillery fire - catastrophic losses.
                Those. there is a utilization of combat-ready parts, as soon as the waves stop going, ours will deal a crushing blow.
                1. -1
                  1 October 2022 10: 53
                  Something is wrong with you if these are the conclusions that you made by "filtering the information"
            2. -35
              30 September 2022 12: 04
              LDNR AND VOLUNTEERS IN CAPTIVITY Ukrainians DO NOT TAKE ... SO THAT .. JUST DROP ....
              1. +16
                30 September 2022 12: 13
                You seem to be sitting somewhere nearby in an ambush?
                1. -1
                  30 September 2022 14: 51
                  There was such a message from the one released from captivity as a result of the last high-profile exchange, with Medvedchuk and the Azov people.
              2. Urs
                +3
                30 September 2022 15: 43
                Well, what do you think we "need" your meat, for a long time the team passed forcibly not to take prisoners, only if he crawls and asks. Now we will have where to put the money, we will raise the Donbas. cover the coffin with a flag.usa YesYou puff up for them, so let them treat you and bury you.
              3. +3
                30 September 2022 16: 23
                Quote: Vadim Voroshilov
                LDNR AND VOLUNTEERS IN CAPTIVITY Ukrainians DO NOT TAKE ... SO THAT .. JUST DROP ....

                It's hard to read, but they are really heroes there, and that's all. Call fire on themselves.
            3. +3
              30 September 2022 12: 59
              Quote: Nexcom
              that is, our guys - kranty? And is it just a matter of time? because plans have changed (c)?

              The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) took Krasny Lyman into a semicircle, said the head of the Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin in his Telegram. In addition, the settlements of Yampol and Drobyshevo are “not fully controlled”. At the same time, Pushilin added that the road from Svatovo remains under the control of Russian and republican troops, but is periodically fired upon. Also, sabotage groups continue to operate in the area, he pointed out.

              “Our guys are fighting, we are pulling up reserves, we must survive, but the enemy also threw serious forces. Very unpleasant news, but we must look soberly at the situation and draw conclusions from our mistakes, ”the head of the DPR wrote.

              The day before, on September 29, the DPR authorities reported on the tense situation in the Krasny Liman - the troops reflect the constant attempts of a breakthrough by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

              I think that this person knows the situation better. and much better in control of the situation.
              1. +14
                30 September 2022 13: 39
                I think that this person knows the situation better. and much better in control of the situation.

                For me now this is a sore point. I serve in the 503 regiment, right now I'm going from the hospital to the front line. There is no connection with the guys. And there weapons, ammunition. Would be in time before the transfer. And then we'll see...
            4. +1
              1 October 2022 07: 31
              Quote: Nexcom
              that is, our guys - kranty? And is it just a matter of time? because plans have changed (c)?

              No, because frost said so.
            5. -1
              1 October 2022 09: 02
              Quote: Nexcom
              that is, our guys - kranty? And is it just a matter of time? because plans have changed (c)?

              everything goes according to plan.

          2. -15
            30 September 2022 11: 59
            And then there was the Battle of Kulikovo. When the enemy was defeated, being already confident in his victory.
            1. +2
              30 September 2022 12: 05
              Quote: Pavel73
              And then there was the Battle of Kulikovo. When the enemy was defeated, being already confident in his victory.

              The enemy was defeated in the battle, but a little later Khan Tokhtamysh came and burned Moscow.
              1. +4
                30 September 2022 12: 11
                Quote: Hoarfrost
                The enemy was defeated in the battle, but a little later Khan Tokhtamysh came and burned Moscow.

                What did Tokhtomysh have to do with the Battle of Kulikovo?
                1. +6
                  30 September 2022 12: 21
                  Quote: 27091965i
                  Tokhtomysh had for the Battle of Kulikovo

                  Summary of the criminal case: in the Horde of Ulsu-Jochi, power was usurped by Mamai ("he planted khans from his hand" - the Russian chronicle "On the Great Memory"), who was never a Chingizid. But Tokhtamysh was one - and claimed the throne. Mamai asked his friend Dmitry for accounts payable for 11 years - a friend, Dmitry, not yet Donskoy, sent him far further (followed by a long history of manipulation of labels) asking: "I have a golden label - and who are you?" bully . Mamai needed the money precisely to fight Tokhtamysh ... Then follows (after a long series of back and forth - including the rout of drunkenness on the Pyani River drinks ) an attempt to withdraw the debt by the Mamaev collector Begich, who raked on the Vozha, and finally the apotheosis of this fiscal saga - the Battle of Kulikovo%)
                  After the defeat of Mamai, Tokhtamysh, who reigned (with the help of the authoritative Timur with the chauffeur "Lame"), asked for money back for 12 years ... Dima said that the loot went to defeat Mamai feel . Tokhtamysh became furious and plundered Moscow. Not a single prince blurted out, for Tokhtamysh was in his khan's right - there was no longer any reason for Dmitry to gather them to Vozha and to Kulikovo field. crying
                  1. +1
                    30 September 2022 12: 26
                    The Serpukhov prince defeated one of the Tatar detachments near Volok.
                  2. +1
                    30 September 2022 12: 43
                    Thanks for the history lesson, but I knew that.
                    Your comment;
                    The enemy was defeated in the battle, but a little later Khan Tokhtamysh came and burned Moscow.

                    How can it be connected with the events that took place, to be more precise with the result of the Battle of Kulikovo.
                  3. -2
                    1 October 2022 05: 08
                    Russians always collect debts, and they always forget it.
                2. +1
                  30 September 2022 14: 54
                  What did Tokhtomysh have to do with the Battle of Kulikovo?

                  Well .. he actually took advantage of her results. Was, so to speak, almost the main beneficiary.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 15: 08
                    Quote: alexmach
                    Well .. he actually took advantage of her results. Was, so to speak, almost the main beneficiary.

                    I agree with you, but his detachments did not take a direct part in it and did not influence its outcome. Tokhtamysh eliminated the opponent "by someone else's hands".
                    1. 0
                      30 September 2022 16: 09
                      If my memory serves me right, he did become her trigger. Mamai needed finances for the war with Tokhtamysh, who once again was going to "visit" him, so he went to the "rebellious lands" for a tribute that had not been paid for a long time.
                      1. 0
                        30 September 2022 16: 23
                        Quote: alexmach
                        then he became her trigger

                        Your memory does not change you. Some historians were inclined to think that Mamai needed not only money, but also weapons.
                        There are interesting works on this issue by historians published in 1840-1900, but as often happens, historians of that time tried to refute the work of their opponents.
                        1. 0
                          30 September 2022 16: 34
                          What weapon did Mamai want to receive from Dmitry Ivanovich?
                        2. 0
                          30 September 2022 16: 57
                          Dear Maxim. Weapons at that time were expensive, it is easier to receive them as a tribute than to wait until they are made and brought. Mamai in this matter was not the first who wanted to implement such a "tax".
                          What kind of weapon is not specifically indicated, but I think the one they fought at that time. Some publications indicate that Mamai walked not only with his army, but also recruited militia from different peoples.
                        3. 0
                          30 September 2022 17: 06
                          Quote: 27091965i
                          Some publications indicate that Mamai walked not only with his army, but also recruited militia from different peoples.

                          It depends on what is considered a militia - if it is feudal, like the aristocracy and the people with them, i.e. whom they exhibit is one thing, but they come with their own.

                          And what is the use of the militia of cities and villages question. Especially for the Tatars, who are always mounted.
                          If only to improve the quality of the Tatar (Polovtsian (Kipchak) in fact) cavalry, due to armor.
              2. +4
                30 September 2022 12: 52
                And later Tokhtamysh himself was banged in Tyumen.
                1. +2
                  30 September 2022 16: 35
                  "The same winter, Tsar Zhenibek killed Taktamysh in the Siberian lands near Tyumen, and he himself sat on the Horde."

                  / Arkhangelsk chronicler // Complete collection of Russian chronicles / Ed. ed. acad. B. A. Rybakov. - L .: Nauka, 1982. - T. 37. Ustyug and Vologda chronicles of the 82th-227th centuries. - S. XNUMX. - XNUMX p.


                  Not in the city itself.
              3. Urs
                +1
                30 September 2022 15: 48
                Come on, the “Horde member” the owner will cover up the rations and cut the drugs, what will you do sickly. Yes
            2. -1
              30 September 2022 12: 42
              There was also the Battle of Kulikovo ... but I don’t remember who was the Supreme Commander-in-Chief .... but !!! I remembered - Dmitry Donskoy ...
          3. +2
            30 September 2022 12: 08
            There was such a film "Red Square", where during the Civil War an armored train and Red Army soldiers diverted the main forces of the Whites, not knowing that the main blow would be elsewhere and help would not come.


            The commissar, knowing that people were going to their deaths, having approved the plan, went with them.
            1. +7
              30 September 2022 12: 26
              How many commissars are there in Liman now?
              1. +1
                30 September 2022 12: 30
                We will find out soon.
                Who was with his people to the end, whatever that end might be.
          4. +4
            30 September 2022 12: 45
            Quote: Hoarfrost
            There was such a film "Battalions ask for fire."

            Maybe somewhere he was, but we have him.
          5. +2
            30 September 2022 12: 46
            Quote: Hoarfrost
            As for Liman, I’m not sure about the counterattack, in 7 months we spent all the combat-ready manpower, we lost partial mobilization on time

            Rather, the "living force" fled to their homes, by hook or by crook. The stake on a professional army of contract soldiers did not justify itself at all.
            Quote: Hoarfrost
            the hymers took out the art warehouses.
            Judging by how much was left in Izyum, it is still very far from being taken out.
          6. +7
            30 September 2022 13: 09
            The current command "everything is going according to plan" ...
            Do they have these plans, or everything goes according to the principle - maybe it will somehow resolve itself ...
          7. 0
            30 September 2022 16: 26
            First of all, this is not a movie, but a book.
        2. +17
          30 September 2022 12: 36
          And do not hope. At first, the retreat was called a gesture of goodwill. Another regrouping. Now so. Learn to present your own failures in work in such a way that you still receive orders for them.
          The special operation began in the forty-fifth year, now we are sliding down to the forty-first.
          1. +2
            30 September 2022 16: 42
            The Armed Forces of Ukraine earlier realized that WAR and began deep ARMY operations instead of "cavalry" BTG raids and clashes of "legitimate armed groups" for "industrial zones and farms". To win, FRONT (!) Operations with strategic depth and scale are needed.

            It must be honestly admitted that without FRONTS, a large modern war cannot be won against an enemy comparable in strength to a regular army.

            Before it's too late, it is necessary to curtail capitalism in Russia to a fucking hair dryer and switch to a PROVEN version of the war economy.
      3. +9
        30 September 2022 11: 59
        "No. This is not Rio de Janeiro!"
        Again the same eggs, only a side view!
        The history of 2 weeks ago does not teach anything.
      4. +4
        30 September 2022 12: 05
        Quote: Nexcom
        it's... it's not any censorship words. shock....

        Guys, hold on!

        "Eh to God, to the soul and Yakim Romanovich!", Just stay alive!
      5. +4
        30 September 2022 13: 21
        The situation in the Krasnolimansky direction is developing in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the enemy has almost closed the ring around the city, Yampol and Drobyshevo have been abandoned and moved into the "gray" zone.

        Quote: Nexcom
        it's... it's not any censorship words. shock....

        Guys, hold on!

        And where is Konashenka's optimistic report?!
        1. +1
          30 September 2022 13: 32
          I hope that all this is a brilliant plan of the General Staff, today at 15 the commander-in-chief will speak and the hordes of ukrov will run.
        2. +8
          30 September 2022 13: 34
          And where is Konashenka's optimistic report?!

          Well, it won't rust behind it, you know, I'm worried about something else.
          If in Moscow today or tomorrow reunification and referendums are celebrated, and in parallel, guys surrounded by Liman will die ...
          Well, I don't even know what to call it.
          I hope that the authorities will come up with the idea to do without pomp.
          1. +4
            30 September 2022 14: 45
            Quote: Arnok
            I hope that the authorities will think of doing without a pomp

            No.
      6. +2
        30 September 2022 16: 31
        And what to hold on to if there are not enough ammo fighters, MANPADS? A strategist. Bombers are needed there. I sometimes have a suspicion that there are traitors in the Ministry of Defense or the General Staff! Or we have so little ORZO and artillery that we don’t even have enough for the estuary.
        Today, 30 Cossacks were killed that the day before yesterday they blocked the highway at the checkpoint, they are not allowed to leave for the controlled territory of the Russian Federation of Zaporozhye. GDP today said that Kyiv would stop shelling and sit down at the negotiating table The day before yesterday another 30 were killed, and again at the negotiating table. The Nazis are killing, but The Presidential Administration offers Putin to sit down at the negotiating table again. What nonsense! For a long time I began to suspect why the entire top of the government of the Russian Federation does not accuse the Kyiv junta of Nazism. Because Volodin himself is from the Presidential Administration. It must be assumed that the Moscow Region and the General Staff also have their own people from the Presidential Administration
      7. +1
        1 October 2022 00: 51
        it's... it's not any censorship words. shock....

        Guys, hold on!

        Guys then hold on, the main thing is that everyone here on VO holds on)
        1. +1
          1 October 2022 16: 15
          Quote: flicker
          it's... it's not any censorship words. shock....

          Guys, hold on!

          Guys then hold on, the main thing is that everyone here on VO holds on)

          Yes, many here were frightened and blown away. Is it really not clear to someone that Russia will crush any enemy.
      8. 0
        1 October 2022 04: 58
        We urgently need to raise a massive grouping and hit this ring from all sides and destroy all enemy forces there.
        If necessary, and the Airborne Forces in the body must be parachuted to an extremely low altitude, in any case, if the enemy’s air defense system is also located there.
        If you need to cover the area, you need to work with artillery and other salvo fire systems and bomb everything that is free from civilians and your own troops.

        And special attention should be paid to the zone which will last completely close the ring, where the enemy will concentrate the maximum number of people and equipment in order to quickly close the boiler.
        I can't believe they let this happen at all.
        at the same time in Moscow parade, referendum and other paper *no

        And while they are concentrated there, this means that it will be quiet on the other front and it is possible to launch an offensive there and already finish this pidrasia on the outskirts ....

        And make a decision already and shoot down all the AWACS aircraft around Ukraine, let the Su 57 there and shoot it down slowly, from the RVVD, such a large plane from 300 km can be shot down nowhere to hide. Space also needs to be cleared of all satellites that transmit coordinates and situational awareness to the Nazis in real time.

        Enough cuckoldism that "the 3rd world war will begin." She's already here.
    2. +43
      30 September 2022 11: 49
      And at one time they laughed at Volnovakha and Debaltseve... It was necessary to put pressure on them in the 14th.
      1. for
        +21
        30 September 2022 11: 57
        Quote: 76SSSR
        It was necessary to squeeze in the 14th.

        It was necessary to hold a referendum in the 14th not in the Crimea, but in Ukraine. The sanctions would still be the same.
        And beat the cookies with Tula gingerbread.
        1. +11
          30 September 2022 12: 12
          It should have been, fact. But the president said: we won’t hold it, the situation in Donbas is different than in Crimea
      2. +23
        30 September 2022 12: 07
        Who knew that fucking did not laugh.
        It was never funny there at all, and everything that we see now manifested itself in all its glory.
        Later, people with professional rough tongues, to the joyful cheering of the broad masses, turned this into an unprecedented network-centric victory and a new word in tactics. All received awards and all remained without conclusions and changes.
        So everything was fine, but vile reality is again knocking on the cozy little world of reports on unprecedented successes.
      3. -21
        30 September 2022 12: 16
        What is the point of remembering the 14th today? And in Liman, the guys will survive. Not long left. Glory to them! Soon the creatures will run from ours. No need to panic. See the messages from those who are there, and not from the propagands of the journalists.
        1. +6
          30 September 2022 12: 24
          Recommend some channels please.
          1. -14
            30 September 2022 12: 43
            Nikolay, I look at the messages of the direct military (real participants in the database) from such commentators as Armen Gasparyan and others like him. Well, front-line reports by E. Tishkovets for Solovyov LIVE. But this is my choice, and everyone chooses for himself drinks
      4. +8
        30 September 2022 12: 37
        It was necessary to squeeze in the 14th.


        It was necessary to prevent it in February 14th. No one would have to push.
      5. Urs
        +2
        30 September 2022 15: 53
        Nah, a little earlier it should have been 1956 when they said that the "Bendera" was over, that's when they didn't finish it off sad .This grain is not finished off and has blossomed in a riotous color.
        By the year 23, I think we will mow this "brown" crop and feed it to pigs. Yes
    3. +37
      30 September 2022 11: 50
      The same command that allowed Balakleya and Izyum? Isn't it time to draw conclusions?
      1. +18
        30 September 2022 11: 53
        To whom? Are we here? They won't listen to us. The second such failure (if it can be politely called that) in theory should really make some people think about the shoulder straps of some bosses ....
        1. +7
          30 September 2022 13: 59
          Quote: Nexcom
          make someone think about the shoulder straps of some bosses ....

          Colonel Kharlamov, the compiler of the state defense order, was recently arrested here for a bribe of 6,5 million rubles. The colonel admitted his guilt and repented of his deed.
          After that, he was released home. And that's during the war.
          And we are talking about some kind of removal of shoulder straps.
          1. +2
            30 September 2022 14: 06
            It's just kapets, if it's true that this "colonel" was allowed to go home. This is at least the removal of shoulder straps and dismissal for negative reasons. With a normal commander. And not pissed off. The bribe-taker is a scumbag.

            PS Yes, I'm a truth-teller. Straight as a shovel handle - they always told me this .... And I always raked. They don't like them anywhere, even here. Well go ahead, minus.
            1. -2
              30 September 2022 16: 23
              Let's be honest - 75% of the colonels of the Russian army regret that they are not in the position of Colonel Kharlamov
        2. Urs
          +3
          30 September 2022 15: 59
          After this, it’s too late to think, the one who can say “I HAVE THE HONOR” usually shoots from personal weapons after this.
        3. 0
          30 September 2022 16: 53
          Don't tell me... A real major "a smart Jew with him" has not yet been assigned a rank, but he wants to become a general. If you read here and write the paper correctly, you can get carte blanche for business. True, then you have to MAKE it! They say that the god of war makes such "from majors to major generals" ...
      2. 0
        30 September 2022 12: 00
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The same command that allowed Balakleya and Izyum? Isn't it time to draw conclusions?

        I agree with you. Rip off shoulder straps and privates into the trenches. hi
        1. +3
          30 September 2022 12: 04
          Well, what are you, they are all age, no way ordinary.
          1. +6
            30 September 2022 12: 10
            Quote: Nexcom
            Well, what are you, they are all age, no way ordinary.

            laughing Well, let them retire, set up a nursing home! Teachings without enemy opposition, and parades - that's all these are good for. In the trenches, clean your brains, even if they die as men.
      3. +5
        30 September 2022 12: 07
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Isn't it time to draw conclusions?

        When, by whom, the so-called "commanding" against the background of Liman puts on a show, everyone lost their nerves, the grand-nephew was sent to Lugansk, the sister is on the ears, another epic pro ... they start to plug up with "meat"
      4. +7
        30 September 2022 12: 09
        This direction was commanded by a native of Volyn, General Mikhail Stepanovich Zusko. https://t.me/infobomb/1874 It is a betrayal to send an officer against a country where all his relatives are held hostage
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 16: 11
          Are you sure that his relatives are in Ukraine? He graduated from the Ryazan Airborne School in 1993, and never left Russia again. I'm sure I brought my parents here too.
      5. 0
        30 September 2022 12: 12
        As far as I know, the commander of the ZVO responsible for this direction was removed after two weeks as he was appointed. There was a panic in some units, some units fought stubbornly. it's a matter of time), otherwise they would have blown us to smithereens ..
      6. +8
        30 September 2022 12: 19
        And we would be happy to put "Zhukov" in command, yes there are none (((Everyone received titles and positions for money and money. Rollback economy .... her mother is so
      7. +9
        30 September 2022 12: 40
        What conclusions. They probably received orders for excellent regrouping.
      8. +1
        30 September 2022 14: 11
        They say that a week ago they changed command here, but apparently they sent the same parquet general to become a combat one. Really meet this on the street and in the face to give.
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      1. -13
        30 September 2022 11: 56
        Shoigu is the Minister of Defense, he has other functions. The General Staff is responsible for the database ...
        1. -1
          30 September 2022 12: 05
          Well, if he is dissuaded from the database, he can’t cope, but you keep him ....? You have a lot of leveling. You won't win, unfortunately. You will not repeat the Second World War, because you will not be able to separate another 20 million for this. It's a pity, they spent 30 years feeding oligarchs.
          1. +10
            30 September 2022 12: 12
            Quote from bulgaria_
            You won't win, unfortunately.

            We will win! It's not even discussed! The question is at what cost. hi
            1. -3
              30 September 2022 12: 36
              Is another 20 million victims a victory? And .... why don't these heroes of Liman support the infantry?
              1. -2
                30 September 2022 13: 22
                Is another 20 million victims a victory?

                20 million are victims due to the genocide of the population arranged by the Nazis in the occupied territories of the USSR. Military losses do not differ even by 1.5 times.
                1. -1
                  30 September 2022 13: 47
                  Yes, he himself 1.5 times with what you compare? What is the meaning of the number 1.5? The idea is that everything is running out for you, and you will stupidly send the entire set to meat. And finally, Russia will have only a red button. Because, as I said, you stupidly slept for 30 years. Most likely, the simple citizens overslept. The oligarchs will not fight for Russia.
            2. +3
              30 September 2022 12: 44
              Under the tricolor, Russia did not have victories.
              1. +2
                30 September 2022 16: 16
                If there are fools in the General Staff, then no colors will help. By the way, Turks, Swedes, Prussians and French were beaten under the current flag. Or does your story begin in 1917?
                1. 0
                  30 September 2022 16: 43
                  I agree about the General Staff. The tricolor became the state flag under Kolya number 2, and this is the Russian-Japanese, Russian-German, civil and Russian division in the Great Patriotic War.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 19: 12
                    .The tricolor became the state flag under Kolya number 2

                    Before "Koli number 2", they didn't really bother with the national flag at all, the monarchy didn't need it. But the fact that the bolo-blue-red tricolor was used on the battlefields was documented and was disputed by few. In the end, watch the Stalinist film "Peter I" and pay attention to which flag is behind the emperor's back in the episodes with the storming of Narva.
          2. 0
            4 October 2022 18: 58
            We will win. Necessarily!
            If we "stupidly slept for 30 years", then what can "brothers" say about you?
            1. 0
              5 October 2022 05: 31
              We are not at war with the whole west. And .. my slept for 33 years. And if I want to hit even harder, everyone has slept since 1878.
        2. +16
          30 September 2022 12: 23
          Quote: mark021105
          Shoigu is the Minister of Defense, he has other functions. The General Staff is responsible for the database ...

          Supreme Commander: This is the responsibility of the MoD.
          Minister of Defense: the General Staff is responsible for this.
          GS: these are the generals on the ground who are in charge of the situation.
          Generals: The Supreme Commander is responsible for everything.
          "The priest had a dog, she ate ...", etc.
        3. +2
          30 September 2022 13: 07
          Shoigu is the Minister of Defense, he has other functions. The General Staff is responsible for the database ...

          First of all, Shoigu is in charge of personnel policy, and Gerasimov is too soft to snap back.
      2. +7
        30 September 2022 12: 00
        Quote: Kiril Letov
        Where would Mr. Shoigu deign to be?

        The other day I inspected the training of "recruits" at the training ground!
        1. +10
          30 September 2022 12: 08
          Did you check the correctness of sewing on the hemming?
          1. +5
            30 September 2022 13: 10
            Did you check the correctness of sewing on the hemming?

            I remember the program "One day in the life ..." with the commander of the Northern Fleet Popov. Arriving at the flagship "Peter the Great", after the report of the commander of the ship, he said - Let's go check the latrines !!!
            And a month later, Kursk "sank" ...
        2. +5
          30 September 2022 12: 14
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          The other day I inspected the training of "recruits" at the training ground!

          Does he understand this? The fireman himself needs to be retrained! hi
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          2. 0
            30 September 2022 12: 31
            Quote: fif21
            The fireman himself needs to be retrained!

            Sasha! Home! Learn Russian!
            1. +1
              30 September 2022 12: 43
              Quote: isv000
              Quote: fif21
              The fireman himself needs to be retrained!

              Sasha! Home! Learn Russian!

              Home? wassat Thank you kind person! Your words, yes to God's ears!
              And the fireman wrote, on purpose! He's still a long way from being a fireman! :laughing
              And why retrain emphasizes as incorrectly written, I don’t understand myself! request
        3. Aag
          +1
          30 September 2022 14: 14
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: Kiril Letov
          Where would Mr. Shoigu deign to be?

          The other day I inspected the training of "recruits" at the training ground!

          Sad sight...
          ... From the ages, physical conditions of the mobilized (hello to the reform of the healthcare system) ... It’s okay to control a copter with glasses, but you don’t really run around in the field, you shoot ... And, first of all, hello to the ideological "work", and " ... everything connected with this ... "(c) Mikheev. It seems that some of those who were shown at the shooting range, not only held a machine gun in their hands, ... it seems that they didn’t even play “war games” in childhood ((((.
          (Of course! - To all the guys of Luck, Skills, Good Luck, and - to return alive, healthy, with Victory!). hi
      3. -16
        30 September 2022 12: 08
        Shoigu does not plan operations, and does not command troops. This is not his field of activity.
        1. +14
          30 September 2022 12: 57
          What is his area of ​​work?
          And how is he not responsible for military operations if he received the HERO of Russia? For what then?
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 13: 56
            Biathlon and biathlon again. """"
          2. +1
            30 September 2022 17: 05
            And how is he not responsible for military operations if he received the HERO of Russia? For what then?
            for devotion and for rest in Altai
        2. -2
          30 September 2022 14: 11
          The Secretary of Defense is basically an exhibition position. He can make global decisions, but not operational ones. Any plans of operations are developed by the General Staff of the Armed Forces. And the minister either approves them or not.
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 17: 17
            Well, yes ... and he also does not arrange personnel who are responsible for conducting operations. Rafik is pure innocent!
    5. +18
      30 September 2022 11: 52
      If this is true and a large-scale strike is being prepared, and Liman is used as a bait to block large outskirts forces, then bravo to our military leaders, if only our guys survived. But if this is not so and they just slammed it again, the second failure in the Kharkov direction, it smells of sabotage and betrayal
      1. +12
        30 September 2022 12: 00
        Quote: GREG68
        If this is true and a massive blow is being prepared

        Alas, it is hardly possible to hide the preparation of a "large-scale strike" from American intelligence. Even if we assume that we have the strength for such a strike somewhere.
        1. -6
          30 September 2022 12: 34
          Quote: DenVB
          Alas, it is hardly possible to hide the preparation of a "large-scale strike" from American intelligence. Even if we assume that we have the strength for such a strike somewhere.

          After the CIA screwed up the Crimea and felt the hangover after the Defender's Day, you can't really look askance at them ...
      2. +8
        30 September 2022 12: 04
        But if this is not so and they just slammed it again, the second failure in the Kharkov direction

        How could he even be slammed? There the situation has been encircling for the last two weeks. This is not even a blow to Kupyansk, which could be attributed to "surprise" even after the accumulation of forces for this blow for a month.
      3. +11
        30 September 2022 12: 55
        Quote: GREG68
        If this is true and a massive blow is being prepared,

        Nothing is being prepared. Do not entertain yourself with illusions. The situation is similar to Vyazma 41. There are no free troops. The bulk of the contract soldiers who were in our army fled to their homes.
        1. +6
          30 September 2022 13: 18
          The situation is similar to Vyazma 41. There are no free troops.


          Not a bit similar. There were a lot of troops near Vyazma, two whole fronts. But the Germans gathered aviation from almost all directions and did not allow our fresh divisions to move, striking in two directions, covered by divisions of the people's militia, creating a fivefold superiority there. Any offensive by the Wehrmacht was provided by aircraft, and when they lost the battle in the air, we were able to advance.

          The question is, where are our vaunted Ka-52s and Mi-28s capable of quickly moving under Liman and hitting parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Or can they only "cabrate"?
          1. +5
            30 September 2022 13: 21
            Quote: Konnick
            The question is, where are our vaunted Ka-52s and Mi-28s capable of quickly moving under Liman and hitting parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

            Have you seen the data on how many MANPADS were left in Izyum? Everything has been abandoned there.
            1. +4
              30 September 2022 13: 30
              Have you seen the data on how many MANPADS were left in Izyum?

              So I read that MANPADS are for the super Ka-52, that dust is for a sailor ... or is it not?
            2. -1
              30 September 2022 14: 30
              In a month they had to create such a density of artillery and la, so that even from the trenches dill could not crawl out in our direction. Why do we need so much art in warehouses if we don’t use it. revenge for 30 ku beats, not to mention the rzzo would drive conscripts, now our land is enough to play the sandbox.
      4. +15
        30 September 2022 13: 02
        Yeah, at first it was a bait - Gostomel, Bucha, Serpentine, then "Moscow", then Balakleya, Izyum, Krasny Liman ....
        Yes, we are masters of lures just the same!
    6. +22
      30 September 2022 11: 53
      He simply "smiled" ...: "The situation cannot be rectified by transferring small reserves, a large-scale strike is being prepared, but this requires time, which Krasny Lyman gives." How is it .... about hope ...., about ships maneuvered ....
      1. +7
        30 September 2022 12: 15
        Uh-huh.
        And to drive the 503rd into the gut being shot from the wheels today, this is undoubtedly the preparation of a large-scale strike that will overturn the Ukrainian troops.

        The command of the group obviously knows what they are doing.
        1. +6
          30 September 2022 13: 34
          And to drive the 503rd into the gut being shot from the wheels today, this is undoubtedly the preparation of a large-scale strike that will overturn the Ukrainian troops.

          The command of the group obviously knows what they are doing.


          The command expands the passage ... back
    7. +6
      30 September 2022 11: 53
      a large-scale strike is being prepared, but this takes time, which Krasny Lyman gives
      while the blow is being prepared, everyone in the cauldron must die heroically, so it turns out?
      1. +9
        30 September 2022 12: 18
        Due to idiocy and criminal negligence in the headquarters of some, completely others always die heroically on the front line. The only question is how many more such balakli, raisins, estuaries do you need? Does no one take into account the experience of 1905 and 1917 in the current realities? It seems that some part of the top leadership deliberately provokes social tension in the country. The result is predictable, the question is different - is it really the other part of the top leadership, let's call it patriotic, does not see all this and does not take tough measures to combat the CAUSE, and not the CONSEQUENCE? I'm talking about the arrest of a person who posted a video that mobilized people were thrown into an open field without anything. Or do we no longer have a patriotic part in the highest echelons of power? But is there enough patriotism only to hold a concert on Red Square at a time when our guys are heroically fighting and dying in Liman?
        1. +2
          30 September 2022 15: 22
          Why are you surprised. They are there at the top of the Kremlin towers, they consider themselves a white bone, an aristocracy, God's power on earth. (The same Navka refers to Peskov "My White Guard"). For them, we are all that must provide itself with everything necessary to be sent to the front and die there for their interests. That is precisely why one should not be surprised that in Russia everything follows the patterns of the early twentieth century.
        2. 0
          30 September 2022 17: 17
          Unfortunately, book knowledge is NOT transformed into experience in any way. Experience is personal, it is gained only by practice.

          For 80 years we have not had the EXPERIENCE of a hot military confrontation with an EQUAL (and even superior in terms of space intelligence and communications) enemy ...
      2. 0
        30 September 2022 17: 11
        "while the strike is being prepared, everyone in the cauldron must die heroically, so it turns out?"
        How else? the only way. more freshly mobilized will be added
    8. +9
      30 September 2022 11: 53
      Seryozha, I really hope that you are now holding a loaded gun near your empty head, because you are to blame! You left the soldiers to die!
      1. +6
        30 September 2022 12: 26
        What gun??!! There are celebrations in Moscow today. Rallies of support
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 13: 58
          Not only in Moskvabad, I also have a concert in the city.
      2. +1
        30 September 2022 13: 23
        .
        Quote: tihon4uk
        holding a loaded gun to your empty head

        the brain will not be affected
    9. +29
      30 September 2022 11: 54
      I no longer believe in any strikes and tricky combinations. We must admit the complete failure of strategy and tactics in front of NATO and the superiority of weapons and professionalism of the ukrovermacht nurtured on NATO steroids. We retreat and take losses. We can’t deliver either help ... or a tough rebuff ... in fact. Where aviation and other types of remote destruction is unclear. Disappeared. But the Liman is the DPR ...... at such a pace we’re faking everything ... until Gg Russia .... maybe we will continue to retreat .... the ukrovermacht will enter some point in Russia, cut out a significant part of the population .. and the other part as slaves with collars to their exchange fund .... - everything goes towards this ... the enemy uses toothlessness and weakness to his advantage and presses even harder on weak points
      1. -10
        30 September 2022 11: 59
        Quote: Skipper
        I no longer believe in any strikes and tricky combinations. We must admit the complete failure of strategy and tactics in front of NATO and the superiority of weapons and professionalism of the ukrovermacht nurtured on NATO steroids. We retreat and take losses. We can’t deliver either help ... or a tough rebuff ... in fact. Where aviation and other types of remote destruction is unclear. Disappeared. But the Liman is the DPR ...... at such a pace we’re faking everything ... until Gg Russia .... maybe we will continue to retreat .... the ukrovermacht will enter some point in Russia, cut out a significant part of the population .. and the other part as slaves with collars to their exchange fund .... - everything goes towards this ... the enemy uses toothlessness and weakness to his advantage and presses even harder on weak points

        Today: “The most difficult direction is the Liman, but the less the allied forces are holding the situation, and taking into account the incoming reinforcements, we will soon turn the tide there,” the head of the DPR said in a video message on his Telegram channel
        1. +2
          30 September 2022 13: 27
          “The most difficult direction is the Liman one, but the less the allied forces are holding the situation, and taking into account the incoming reinforcements, we will soon turn the tide there,” the head of the DPR said in a video message on his Telegram channel

          Is it really like before, a successful counterattack will be timed to the date, that is, to today's rally? It would be overly cynical, playing with the loss of life....
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 15: 42
            By the date they will time what? ... A successful counterattack? ... Seriously?
      2. +26
        30 September 2022 12: 06
        We must admit the complete failure of strategy and tactics in front of NATO and the superiority of weapons

        Hell no!! We must admit that we must admit the results of a complete failure in planning the necessary detachment of forces for such an operation. And as soon as NATO saturated the ukrovermacht with its own, everything fell apart .. He received the classic triple superiority in numbers with equal weapons, which is necessary for an offensive according to all the canons. And of course - the result immediately went.

        This is exactly what all sane people, like the scolded Strelkov, were talking about. screwed up. Moreover, the entire transport infrastructure is still intact, no one and nothing interferes with the free transportation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine where they want it more .. Concentrating reserves in key areas and supplying them ..
        1. +11
          30 September 2022 13: 14
          So many years they flooded that we have the best army in the world, they flooded for so many years that this army is armed with unparalleled weapons, they flooded for so many years that the army is able to crush any enemy and crap like that! If we imagine what would happen if NATA attacked on all fronts, seas and skies, let's say in the summer of 2021, drawing a parallel with the mobilization and how the NWO is going, we have a picture of complete collapse before our eyes.
          1. +3
            30 September 2022 14: 08
            The problem is that the reporters themselves believed in these reports.
      3. +3
        30 September 2022 12: 21
        I no longer believe in any punches and tricky combinations
        - Faith is the privilege of the afflicted. To begin with, you will evaluate the balance of power, and only then distribute the postulates.
        It's good that this didn't happen before.
        This is at a time when the armies met face to face and did not stretch along the front, it was possible for a handful of fighters to pile on a many times superior enemy and win.
        Now it's too late to "drink Borjomi". You need to admit mistakes and continue to do what you started with a new plan.
        Although there will be no recognition of mistakes, not those times and not those people.
      4. 0
        30 September 2022 14: 06
        So far, the Ukrainians have not made any attempts to enter the territory of Russia. Maybe in truth they are restrained by agreements with the United States not to use Western weapons against the territory of Russia?
      5. -1
        30 September 2022 17: 29
        There is no failure! If all of NATO attacked the Russian Federation, the situation would be EXACTLY THE SAME as it is now with the Russian Federation against the country-U.

        Everything "high-precision" ends very quickly, is expensive and takes a long time to be done ... And against the "stupid" strategy of numerical superiority - here I completely agree - neither the "Rzhavelins" nor the "stringers" will help.

        If we ourselves do not turn the situation into 1917, then we will definitely overcome it. They delayed the mobilization for six months - it doesn’t matter, there is where to retreat. Here, the fact that the horse has not yet rolled around with the military economy ... maybe it’s bad: when there are an excess of fighters, but there is nothing to arm them with ...
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    10. +4
      30 September 2022 11: 55
      And what happened to the "Lugansk" corps?
    11. Kim
      -22
      30 September 2022 11: 55
      Well, that's it, now the tantrums will start to disperse again ...
      you decide
      "departed" - bad, it was necessary to the last
      "hold the defense" - again bad
      1. -2
        30 September 2022 12: 00
        Do not allow the first, nor the second - the third ....., reconnaissance and preventive strikes, maneuver with reserves ....., no ..., they don’t teach this at the General Staff Academy ...?
        1. Kim
          -5
          30 September 2022 12: 03
          ahh...
          so I, too, for all the good against all the bad
          and more - it is better to be healthy and rich
          --------------------
          here is something simple, but in life it is rare
          the mystery of the universe...
      2. -14
        30 September 2022 12: 23
        ++++, but you will be downvoted here - the fifth column is strong hi
        1. -7
          30 September 2022 12: 57
          You see, Kim! The enemy is cunning and cunning laughing
        2. Kim
          0
          3 October 2022 03: 43
          this is not the 5th
          there are mostly couch warriors - turbopatriots
          and fans of Girkin
          ------------------
          even in the future, they are unlikely to become the 5th, - well, or few will become
    12. +6
      30 September 2022 11: 56
      How competently they developed success from Izyum ... exemplary ...
    13. -9
      30 September 2022 11: 58
      As long as the enemy has numerical superiority, we will slowly retreat. I hope that in a few weeks, when the prepared mobilized will approach, the situation will first improve, and then it will be possible to talk about an offensive.
    14. +5
      30 September 2022 11: 59
      Let's look at the leadership strategy after the adoption of new areas. If the general approach does not change, then you can safely sprinkle ashes on your head.
      1. -5
        30 September 2022 12: 13
        until the traitors at the command of success can not be seen .... it is necessary to remove the natives of Ukraine from the command staff. https://t.me/infobomb/1874 It is a betrayal to send an officer against a country where all his relatives are held hostage
      2. 0
        30 September 2022 13: 19
        What is it about. What are the overall goals. Protect the Russians, or do everything to delay this NWO.
        Again, many questions. And no answers.
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          1. 0
            1 October 2022 00: 29
            Are you from Ukraine, I believe?
            Both sides have a hand in the fact that the SVO does not end, no matter how much you would like to blame everything on Russia alone.
            If the West wished, the conflict would end quickly. And Ukrainians and Russians would stop dying. But it is more profitable for the West to bury more Slavs. Despite the ostentatious humanism and super warm and friendly feelings for the Ukrainians. Therefore, the independence of Ukraine will be supported by him to the limit.
            And where this emphasis is every day more and more difficult to imagine.
    15. +2
      30 September 2022 12: 00
      If this is not a tactical move to lure significant enemy forces, but another failure and “oh what a surprise”, then it’s time to name names before sending polar bears to twist their tails
      1. -7
        30 September 2022 12: 05
        Who will send whom. Here they will catch up with the mobilized, the question is when, and where our troops will be, next to Taganrog or Rostov.
        1. -10
          30 September 2022 12: 17
          I look at the Georgian border, the Internet catches well ... did you manage to run?
          1. -1
            30 September 2022 12: 43
            do not equal yourself, it is clear there is nowhere to run
            1. -2
              30 September 2022 12: 46
              I already ran to the military enlistment office, don’t worry ... but I’ll put the opinion of any limit that sits here and works out a small coin from one-day accounts.
              1. -2
                30 September 2022 15: 29
                And I served mine, if, in the second batch, and licking your ass to the authorities, it’s not for you to defend your homeland.
    16. Tim
      +14
      30 September 2022 12: 02
      Shoigu to announce in a week that a regrouping of troops was carried out near Krasny Liman (a goodwill gesture).
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 12: 19
        Much earlier. For everything about everything - a maximum of two days. And even less. Does the General Staff look at the map of hostilities with at least one eye?
        1. +3
          30 September 2022 14: 11
          What for? There are such geniuses sitting that without cards they defeat all enemies ... .. and without loss
      2. +1
        30 September 2022 13: 20
        Not Shoigu. He's not from the press office. Another friend will do it.
    17. -1
      30 September 2022 12: 02
      "Tell me what his name is" -
      90 meters from the epicenter - the complete destruction of the most fortified structures.
      170 meters from the epicenter - the complete destruction of unreinforced reinforced concrete structures.
      300 meters - complete destruction of residential buildings, serious damage to fortified structures
      440 meters - partial destruction of residential buildings.
      1120 meters - broken glass and fallen fences
      2290 meters - people falling under the influence of a shock wave.

      There are many downsides though. ODABs will allow much more, especially the application altitude of 200 - 12000 m.
      Any reinforcements arriving to reinforce along the road "covered" by the enemy is a naked hopelessness. If there is no preventive areal burning, it means losses, so there is nothing to burn. All Grads and Hurricanes are busy showing off with military journalists? Badly. Very bad.
      1. SSA
        +4
        30 September 2022 13: 16
        How will you throw off ODAB? Quadcopter? Air defense is not suppressed, helicopters cannot shoot normally with NURSs, and you are going to throw somewhere there. Yes, and there is no such concentration of troops that this ammunition would decide the outcome of the battle
        1. +1
          30 September 2022 14: 04
          Attack aircraft, helicopter, etc. At the height of application - the answers are in the means of delivery. And not only the parachute delivery method is available. You can burn it out, especially if you don't count the bombs. Air defense is not on the front. Loss of 5 sides? What are the losses now? How many thousands can die / captivity. Military expediency, since the means of remote fire destruction can not cope / rest. The breakthrough of the Guards Regiment to the rescue under the influence of fire has passed - estimate the losses already incurred.
          1. SSA
            +2
            30 September 2022 15: 26
            The enemy has plenty of portable air defense systems, thanks to NATO. All these MANPADS reliably cover heights up to 4000 meters. The rest is blocked by medium-range air defense and AWACS.
            We cannot realize the advantage in aviation there, we cannot! That's where the valiant Orions and other high-tech developments that we don't actually have would come in handy.
            1. 0
              30 September 2022 17: 19
              "That's where the valiant Orions and other high-tech developments that we don't actually have would come in handy."
              in fact, we don’t even have an air force, they are very afraid of losing the plane, the penultimate
              1. SSA
                0
                30 September 2022 17: 29
                There is aviation, does it make sense to use it, when every section of the sky is illuminated by a radar? The loss of 2-3 aircraft is, first of all, a blow to the morale of the troops and the image of the army, which merges high-tech equipment for nothing, out of stupidity.
                No, that's not possible.
        2. 0
          30 September 2022 15: 15
          And, by the way, five hundred and three tons have already flown. Which is what was required.
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    19. +8
      30 September 2022 12: 03
      There, most likely, a platoon or a company. Well, the General Staff does not have enough brains to fight above a company. Hurray for the Gerasimov doctrine.
    20. +19
      30 September 2022 12: 03
      If the miscalculations of the command are always plugged with the heroism of the soldiers, then 300 mobilized will not be enough for a long time.
    21. DVM
      +10
      30 September 2022 12: 05
      One gets the impression of sabotage, betrayal, sabotage and slovenliness in the highest echelons of power. I don't even want to think about it. What will they tell us now, another regrouping, a cunning plan, a multi-move!?
      1. +12
        30 September 2022 12: 18
        It is with us, here, on VO that we get the impression of wrecking, betrayal, sabotage .., but on TV, for those who are not immersed in the conflict - regrouping, tactical retreat, the generals know better what to do!)) we still, not so for a long time, they made fun of the Ukrainians when they fed their people with what they are trying to feed us now.
      2. 0
        30 September 2022 17: 23
        "There is an impression of sabotage, betrayal, sabotage and slovenliness in the highest echelons of power"
        yeah, don't multiply things. ordinary stupidity and irresponsibility
        "There are no hindenburgs for you," do you remember who said? and we don't even have beetles
    22. +13
      30 September 2022 12: 07
      It was possible to pull up reserves, the 503rd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment from the 19th Motorized Rifle Division of the 58th Combined Arms Army was transferred to Krasny Liman. Now motorized riflemen, together with units of the allied forces, are trying to expand the closing ring.
      Only one regiment?! Well, well ... I wonder how a single regiment can carry out a deblockade when the enemy is attacking with all the forces at hand?
      Then the thought came to my mind, did we have the General Staff of the SVO planned? There are a lot of people there, all, as we are assured, professionals. So let them show it in practice. Put on armor, AK - in hand, and - forward. Two regiments will be exactly 2 times larger than one.
      To be honest, there are no words, one checkmate remained.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 13: 24
        General Lee wanted to personally lead the Texans against the Yankees at the end of the war. But the soldiers loved him very much and did not let him die. Even though he was ready to die. Yes, and he was going to attack, having long understood that the South could not win the war.
        Only those days are long gone. Since the time of the Second World War, there has been an attitude to protect the command, because a lot of effort and money have been spent on its training.
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 14: 20
          All positions require rotation. Even in peaceful conditions. And in the current conditions, those who cannot cope must be changed, regardless of the merits of peacetime. At least in order to save the lives of those who are on the front line.
      2. -1
        1 October 2022 08: 17
        First it was necessary to pull up the reserves, organize the defense and then start the NWO ... so it turns out
    23. +3
      30 September 2022 12: 07
      With the last of my strength, I continue to believe that the Russian command has at least some plan for the Liman direction.
    24. +9
      30 September 2022 12: 09
      They were supposed to hand over another 11-15 numbers, but the men resisted. Today in the capital there is a concert and bonnets are in the air. Everything is fine.
      1. +11
        30 September 2022 12: 39
        Yes, the Supreme Commander puts on manicures and make-up before the holiday.
        The Minister of Defense irons the dress uniform and polishes the Hero's star.
        The General Staff is preparing another victorious report on today's successes.
        Everyone has no time to deal with the Liman cauldron.
        PS. The Defense Ministry has already stated that the newly mobilized will deal exclusively with the protection of already occupied territories and there is no talk of any major offensive.
        1. +2
          30 September 2022 14: 50
          Quote: GOR_XVII
          The Defense Ministry has already stated that the newly mobilized will deal exclusively with the protection of already occupied territories and there is no talk of any major offensive.

          That is, they will try to contain the next Ukrainian offensive? Great plan!
        2. -1
          1 October 2022 08: 15
          Everyone will be cooks and only cooks
    25. 0
      30 September 2022 12: 10
      It seems that another betrayal is being prepared under the guise of pulling off enemy forces. There is no longer any justification for the inaction of our leadership, which has demonstrated its incapacity in a crisis.
    26. -30
      30 September 2022 12: 11
      Do not panic! I believe in our General Staff and the strength of our army, and I advise you! Perhaps, in fact, ours are deliberately driving the enemy into a trap, allegedly falling into a "bag", but in fact they are preparing a strike from the inside in all directions at once against an unsuspecting advancing enemy. It is impossible to exclude the option of military cunning.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 12: 28
        I dare to ask, did you learn this from Lucy ..... they also lured us near Severodonetsk and Lisichansk .... and then declare Liman a tactical victory for the allied forces ...
      2. 0
        30 September 2022 12: 33
        Well, of course, but stupid Americans look at pictures from satellites, see our reserves and continue the offensive.
      3. +1
        30 September 2022 12: 40
        You would have to set a trap there, at the expense of your life
      4. +3
        30 September 2022 13: 12
        Rather a variant of stupidity and eyewash
      5. +1
        30 September 2022 13: 26
        A local comrade wrote here about such tricks that have already been. Enough Balakleya with Raisins for an example.
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 18: 59
          Quote from Drotro
          A local comrade wrote here about such tricks that have already been. Enough Balakleya with Raisins for an example.

          Yes, I can’t believe that the conditional Strelkov understands that it was necessary to retreat due to the threat of encirclement, but our General Staff and direct leadership do not understand. So there is some kind of intention in this, so it must be so! I also don’t believe that they are holding there in order to gain time and all that, because it would be possible to gain time at other lines, even more convenient for defense. There is only one conclusion - not everything is so simple, which means that soon we will see a surprise for our "partners". Those who downvote and laugh, let them laugh, but what will they say when the situation turns 180?
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 20: 37
            Obviously, everything is much more complicated than it seems.
            Although anything can happen. Both positive and negative.

            But the fact that Strelkov knows and understands more than our leaders is really hard to believe. They can’t start such an operation and at the same time not particularly delve into its course.
    27. 0
      30 September 2022 12: 15
      If a regiment, then this is at least 3 battalions, which is not so small, and be healthy firepower
    28. +1
      30 September 2022 12: 16
      I'm not chasing something. Is it impossible to raise attack and bomber aircraft + army, 200-300 sides and bombard all attacking groups with FABs and NURSs? It is impossible to cover with cassettes from MLRS? "Petals" sow? It seems that the SDD just decided to merge. I would like to believe that this is such a cunning plan, but after the "Izyum regrouping" there is less and less faith in this. Or are our senior military commanders in the field again engaged in fraud?
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 13: 11
        They will answer us that we don’t understand anything, ordinary people, laymen, etc.
      2. SSA
        0
        30 September 2022 13: 21
        No. Aviation will not reach, air defense is not suppressed.
        Artillery works but lacks quantity and accurate target designation. And sow the fields with mines - shells to no avail
      3. 0
        30 September 2022 13: 29
        Air defense is not completely suppressed. And there is no question of MANPADS, every second fighter. Helicopters cannot shoot humanly ...
        1. +2
          30 September 2022 14: 28
          Wah-wah-wah, air defense is not suppressed, what a horror! Let there BARS-13, BARS-16, 503 regiment, mobs of the LDNR and other units in the cauldron will be buried in full force. But the planes will be intact.
      4. +1
        30 September 2022 17: 31
        "boards 200-300 and fall asleep with FABs and NURS "
        and where to get them, these boards?
        "According to Military balance 2022, the Aerospace Forces has only 1172 aircraft, of which 448 are transport, 137 bombers
        (Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22M3), they are involved in the operation only occasionally. As a result, there are not many battlefield aircraft -
        876, minus the faulty ones, minus those in Khmeimim, minus those needed at other borders"
        300 boards will not be there, how not to puff up
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 17: 37
          I actually meant Su-25 and Su-24.
          1. +1
            30 September 2022 17: 57
            "I actually meant Su-25 and Su-24."
            so there are fewer
    29. -1
      30 September 2022 12: 20
      Not so long ago, there were several strikes on the dam of the reservoir in those parts - as I understand it, in order to repeat the option with Ingulets. As far as I understood, then it ended in nothing. Maybe now is the time to try again?
    30. +7
      30 September 2022 12: 20
      ABC of strategy:
      1. Mobilization of the economy.
      2. Mobilization of reservists, deployment of units according to wartime states.
      3. The beginning of hostilities.
      But our "strategists" went the "alternative" path.
      1. They got involved in the battle with small forces on a wide front, having neither reserves nor the qualitative superiority of the troops (as an option, the inability to realize that very qualitative superiority).
      2. After a series of failures (gestures of good will), they decided to mobilize according to the principle: the poor fight, the rich don't.
      3. Mobilization of the economy? Not even a call. Capitalism however.
    31. +3
      30 September 2022 12: 23
      in the cart they write that Khkhlov 12 thousand near Liman, our 5 thousand. Is it that in the whole great and mighty Shoiguv army you can’t find 7 thousand to equalize the forces ????
    32. -4
      30 September 2022 12: 27
      Again 25 ... Gerasimov what does he think ??? 5th point???
      1. +3
        30 September 2022 13: 09
        Did the General Staff even think during this course? Commanders are changing like gloves, for the fifth time in seven months
    33. -1
      30 September 2022 12: 30
      It seems like they write, they transferred another motorized rifle regiment. But this is not enough for the 20 thousandth group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yes, and our shelves are more than a figure, God forbid 30% of the state
    34. +1
      30 September 2022 12: 38
      Some questions:
      That the front command has neither artillery, nor aviation, nor at least 1 full regiment of an even division in reserve?
      100 thousand Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing on one city on Krasny Lyman, then how many are opposed to them, then what do the stories about the destruction of 3-4 tanks mean?
      Is this such a cunning plan of the General Staff to draw the Armed Forces of Ukraine into urban battles and then break through to their own?
      What is the problem of transferring forces from those available at the front?
      It is trite to provide mining of the area ...
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 12: 46
        where does 100k APU come from? there are about 5-7 thousand of us there
        1. -2
          30 September 2022 12: 49
          How many dryers? thousand 15?

          short message
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 13: 05
            Rybar counted about 20 thousand who are storming
      2. 0
        30 September 2022 13: 08
        It looks like a political exchange, the armies were never allowed to fight, we are waiting for what GDP will say today
    35. +21
      30 September 2022 12: 41
      It's all because of the lies of the generals. Snickering, mired in corruption. Forgotten officer's duty. Mistakes of the SVR, FSB and other structures. Sorry guys.
      Peace for everyone. ✌️
    36. +9
      30 September 2022 12: 46
      Quote: gromovanton
      Some questions:
      That the front command has neither artillery, nor aviation, nor at least 1 full regiment of an even division in reserve?
      100 thousand Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing on one city on Krasny Lyman, then how many are opposed to them, then what do the stories about the destruction of 3-4 tanks mean?
      Is this such a cunning plan of the General Staff to draw the Armed Forces of Ukraine into urban battles and then break through to their own?
      What is the problem of transferring forces from those available at the front?

      yes, there is no cunning plan, there is incompetence, lack of control of the situation, mediocrity, unscrupulousness, irresponsibility. only our soldiers pay for it.
    37. +7
      30 September 2022 12: 48
      I am more and more inclined to believe that a large part of our elite is engaged in sabotage, if not betrayal. This elite has nothing to do with Russia, its interests are in London and Washington. They earn money here and hide it there. And they want it to be forever. Now that it has become difficult, this part of the saboteurs and traitors wants to return everything back, even at the cost of the collapse of the country. Estuary, Balakleya - part of this plan. Russia needs cleansing. Otherwise, we will go the way of the USSR
    38. -1
      30 September 2022 12: 50
      a large-scale strike is being prepared, but this requires time, which Krasny Lyman gives.

      This is the only possible intelligible explanation, but more and more it looks like a fantasy. It looks like the command has already determined the guys "to heaven" ... This is a shock ...
      1. +7
        30 September 2022 13: 06
        I don’t believe in reserves and a counterattack, they already talked about it with raisins and a balcony, the result is zilch
        1. -1
          30 September 2022 13: 28
          Faith is taken away even from inveterate optimists. What to believe, if all this has already passed.
    39. +8
      30 September 2022 12: 50
      Well, where are the winners ukroreykha for two weeks? Why are we silent?
    40. +9
      30 September 2022 13: 00
      Quote: chingachguc
      I am more and more inclined to believe that a large part of our elite is engaged in sabotage, if not betrayal. This elite has nothing to do with Russia, its interests are in London and Washington. They earn money here and hide it there. And they want it to be forever. Now that it has become difficult, this part of the saboteurs and traitors wants to return everything back, even at the cost of the collapse of the country. Estuary, Balakleya - part of this plan. Russia needs cleansing. Otherwise, we will go the way of the USSR

      you don’t have to go far - only today the ghoul Peskov again crucified that the NWO will continue because the dill does not want negotiations. Those. if the dill were ready for negotiations, the Kremlin ghouls would have signed some next Khasavyurt already today.
      1. +3
        30 September 2022 13: 45
        So Khasavyurt would be a great option.

        For example, I will give another victorious small NWO in Livonia for two winters. Where exactly is the unwillingness to admit miscalculations, to take small things (and I remind you, it would be possible to practically fulfill the goals of the NWO and even receive international recognition) led to:
        - Loss of the northern territories, Oreshok and access to the Baltic Sea.
        - Official renunciation of any claims to Livonia.

        - The looting of the country by Devlet Giray and the burning of Moscow.
        - Unprecedented decline of the country.
        - Loss of a number of Russian territories - Chernihiv, Smolensk. Official recognition of a number of lands controlled by the Poles as part of Poland, refusal of claims from Moscow.
        - The collapse of the state. Where the fact that Russia did rake out is not so much the merit of Russia, but a happy coincidence of circumstances. Where it happened at +/- 30 years old, they would seriously take up the butchering of a bear, and not PMCs, foxes and other Cossack robbers would solve issues.
        1. -2
          1 October 2022 05: 10
          Well, where are they all - erased with a firm hand from history.
          And now we will erase the Bandera idiots forever.
    41. +23
      30 September 2022 13: 01
      There was one person who, in May-June, when the APU was given point by point, said that:

      1. The offensive of the RF Armed Forces will soon fizzle out

      2. Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive heavy Western weapons, train and prepare reserves

      3. There will be a turning point and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin to attack the thinned parts of the RF Armed Forces

      As soon as they did not laugh at him. And it seems that he understands more about military affairs than the entire General Staff of the RF Armed Forces put together
      1. -5
        30 September 2022 13: 11
        Are you talking about Strelkov? Tired of this short post.
        1. +4
          30 September 2022 13: 15
          No, about Arestovich. Although Strelkov seemed to say the same thing.
    42. +4
      30 September 2022 13: 04
      How to respond to this, where to look for answers? Will the talking head hang about "regrouping" again? We are retreating, there are no reserves, the sabotage of the generals? Betrayal? Depletion of the army?
      1. +6
        30 September 2022 13: 27
        And today I will listen to the lieutenant general, I hope the kraken will get it as always.
    43. BAI
      +3
      30 September 2022 13: 10
      It sucks. If they could release it, they would release it long ago. What are they waiting for? It turns out that they can not unlock.
    44. +9
      30 September 2022 13: 13
      The army continues to sit in the barracks, there is no one to fight, they survived. No planes, no attack helicopters, some kind of victorious reports in the reports, one lie. Pushilin and all the parquet generals should at this time be next to the soldiers who were surrounded, and not drool. It is not the first day that the situation around Liman has been critical, why the command allowed such a situation. it seems that in our army there are no normal commanders who know how to plan operations at all, shame and shame
    45. +8
      30 September 2022 13: 24
      How so?! We have already destroyed almost all the Nazis and their equipment !!!! Who's lying?!
    46. 0
      30 September 2022 13: 25
      The men have been fighting in Krasny Liman and its environs for more than two weeks, bloggers and telegram channels constantly say that there is an ass. Have they been abandoned? Where and when are reinforcements? What's happening? I don't understand, please explain
    47. +3
      30 September 2022 13: 36
      What's happening? in three weeks, an army from the Far East can be transferred to Krasny Liman !!!
    48. +2
      30 September 2022 13: 39
      What. AGAIN "regrouping" ??! They turned on the meat grinder ... What kind of strategy is this, mediocre to throw people into a meat grinder ..
    49. +6
      30 September 2022 13: 46
      Quote: dnestr74
      What's happening? in three weeks, an army from the Far East can be transferred to Krasny Liman !!!

      suddenly it turned out that the army ended in six months (without having losses). war is not a tank biathlon, puffing out the cheeks of former partners is not at all impressive. now the penultimate argument remains - they ran to the people to help save everything that was acquired (looted) by overwork.
    50. +2
      30 September 2022 13: 52
      But what about "all roads are under our fire control", "we have a very strong defense" and "we won't let enemies into Liman"??? I just heard this yesterday...
      Yes, what is going on?
      1. +1
        30 September 2022 17: 12
        So big, but you believe in fairy tales...
    51. +3
      30 September 2022 14: 20
      Now I honestly won’t have any joy about the annexation of new regions, people have returned to the new harbor, etc., etc. Fireworks, concerts and other clownery. I have yet to hear of anyone being held accountable for planning failures since its inception. Not only does it need to be finished as soon as possible, it’s time to change someone.
    52. 0
      30 September 2022 15: 15
      Yes, some real nimble is brewing; for some reason Putin’s speech is being delayed.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 15: 25
        The performance has begun... They clap... They rejoice, of course. And there the boys are dying right now, surrounded. Yes, give a massive salvo with all possible prodigies that are available!!! How is that possible?!
    53. 0
      30 September 2022 16: 22
      There are probably complete fools in the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense who can’t see anything further than their own noses. wink feel bully
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    55. +2
      30 September 2022 16: 38
      Hey, Supreme! Kick the tank biathlon lover there - it’s time to wake up, they say! There is no reason to sleep on the stove, like Ilya Muromets, 30 years old and 3 years old, he will sleep through everything!
      Well, kick him in the ass, he ended up in Liman! ((Let him shoot at his useless biathletes there... if he can.
    56. +4
      30 September 2022 16: 42
      So what is going on? A handful of heroes are fighting with all their might for Russia, and the rest of Russia is almost indifferently watching as they are surrounded there. Are we setting up an experiment for survival? Or have you become so carried away by the “intrigue” of absolutely predictable referendums that the fate of Liman’s defenders has become insignificant and of no interest to anyone?
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    58. +2
      30 September 2022 16: 47
      If the Russian command does not ensure the release of the Liman and allows its defenders to die or be captured, then I personally will consider this a betrayal.
    59. +3
      30 September 2022 17: 32
      Yes... 2 weeks, as if all this continues and during this time nothing radical has been done??? Of course, I would like to believe in a “cunning plan”, but in my opinion it looks more like some kind of power of the leadership...
    60. +3
      30 September 2022 19: 27
      Chechnya, Georgian war. Disgraceful companies, but all the generals received awards. And those who should have been tried for stupidity and sloppiness quietly exchanged their offices for profitable jobs.
      Nothing changes. In America, a commission would have been created long ago to investigate failures and everyone would have been punished.
    61. -1
      30 September 2022 22: 10
      In short, I hope that we will see another one on TV soon flycatcher. Because this one doesn't catch mice.
    62. 0
      30 September 2022 23: 48
      Tell me the situation now! is there any positive news?
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    64. +1
      1 October 2022 03: 50
      It seems that at our top level there are many people who want to “steer” the North Military District. It's time for Patrushev and Noryshkin to check up on some liberal comrades. They still haven’t explained the liberation of the Nazis - what happened!!!???
    65. 0
      1 October 2022 07: 22
      In Moscow. Officer. Russian Army. He wasn't allowed into the restaurant for his mother's birthday. What can we discuss after this? Gentlemen and comrades, what are you talking about? Is it really not clear?
    66. 0
      1 October 2022 07: 35
      Oh. It seems there is already a candidate for the role of switchman. Military commissars. How interesting, what is the name of the person who appointed them as such?))
    67. -1
      1 October 2022 07: 39
      I saw the main thing. Our military registration and enlistment offices are efficient, unlike some other structures.
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    69. -1
      1 October 2022 07: 42
      I read the news and am surprised. They won’t attract conscripts and so on...) Why don’t they write that they will attract only cooks?

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