The State Duma received a bill providing for the involvement of convicts in military operations in Ukraine

Russian citizens serving their sentences in places of deprivation of liberty may have the opportunity to atone for their guilt by participating in hostilities as part of a special military operation conducted by Russia. The relevant bill was submitted to the State Duma for consideration.

Deputies from Bashkiria proposed a draft law providing for the involvement of convicts in a special operation in Ukraine. The explanatory note states that a convict may be granted a deferral of serving a sentence in places of deprivation of liberty in connection with participation in a special operation or other military operations aimed at protecting Russia. The decision on such a delay must be made by the court. It is proposed to count one day of participation in battles for ten days in places of deprivation of liberty. Upon receipt of a wound that makes further participation in hostilities impossible, the issue of further serving the sentence, mitigation or cancellation will be decided by the court, taking into account all the circumstances.

The bill proposes to fix the legal basis for involving convicted citizens to participate in a special military operation or other military operations in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation

- says the explanation.

Naturally, not all prisoners will have the opportunity to atone for their guilt with blood. Those serving sentences in disbats and places of deprivation of liberty under non-serious articles may be allowed to participate in the SVO, subject to voluntary consent. Citizens convicted of crimes against the sexual integrity of minors under 14 years of age and a number of other serious criminal offenses will not be able to use the deferment.

The question of involving prisoners in the SVO arose after the publication of a video on the Web, where a man who looked like Yevgeny Prigozhin spoke with convicts of one of the colonies in Mordovia about the possibility of expiating his guilt by joining the ranks of the Wagner PMC. As it turned out, in Russia there are no mechanisms that allow for the involvement of those serving sentences in the defense of the state.

Comments

[Asad]

Well, at least some legal basis began to be carried out.

[Frost]

All hope for patriotic convicts. There are such outstanding personalities fighting.
"The leader of the Kuskovskie OCG, Igor Kusk, was killed in the Donbas. He fought as part of the Wagner PMC," BUSINESS online reports.
It is known that Kusk served a 23-year term in a strict regime colony. As the widow, Irina, said, her husband went to the front on July 25.
- We wrote [with a request to take him to the front] to Kadyrov. Then, according to his letter, a private military company arrived. At the age of 55, his health was not a fountain, but I know that he was in the forefront there too, he was not afraid of anyone, - said the wife of the deceased.
Igor Kusk at that moment was in the Bakhmut area of ​​the DPR. He died from a shell fragment hit in the head. Already from early morning at the Kazan Cathedral in the village of Krasny Klyuch it was crowded. According to the correspondent of "BUSINESS Online", about 700-800 people gathered to say goodbye to Kusk. The convicted leader of the Nizhnekamsk organized criminal group, who served 9 years of his term, was buried in the Walk of Fame of the city cemetery in the village of Krasny Klyuch. Classmates from school number 12 suggested that the city structures perpetuate his name in the school." S.

[Asad]

Patriotism among prisoners increases with the length of the term and the impossibility of parole.

[skeptick2]

Quote: ASAD

Patriotism among prisoners increases with the length of the term and the impossibility of parole.

Right. That's interesting: if Chikatilo were alive today, would he also ask for a "front end"?

[TIR]

A lot of people are serving time because of youthful maximalism. We were all 16-20 years old and should understand what happens to a person at this time. If you look purely from the point of view of psychology, then the heroes on the front line, who are 20-25 years old, are no different from the first-time prisoners, according to the articles of a hooligan and infliction of serious bodily harm, of the same age. Only some threw out their adrenaline for the benefit of society, while others vice versa. In stock, both are the same. They are called passionaries.

[Bulgarian_5]

Yes, they have been taken away for a long time, now they just did it legally.

[seregatara1969]

Gorbachev was right when he said - stop living the old way, you need to think about starting! That's right, life is different and there should be an opportunity to defend the homeland in the penal battalion. Protecting your home is not shameful!

[Skipper]

It's high time to form penal battalions and as in the good old days .....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Skipper

It's high time to form penal battalions and as in the good old days .....

Penal battalions were formed only from convicted officers.

[Coward]

It seems, companies of officers, bats of privates and sergeants.

[Alexander Salenko]

On the contrary, read Pyltsyn, he was a full-time officer in the 8th OSHB.

[Coward]

It is strange that you criticize me for referring to a book, and then you yourself immediately offer me a book by another author.

[Alexander Salenko]

This author fought in 8 OShB, do you catch the difference, or is everything completely bad with your perception of information? This is called a historical source, and what kind of nonsense you have been reading, I can roughly guess. And looked even more. WHO was there that chirped about the exam?

[Coward]

So the book that I was talking about is also a historical source and was written by a participant in the Second World War, but you didn’t even bother to delve into the internet and read at least the annotation, you immediately rushed to hang labels and squeal about your correctness.

[TIR]

You're right. Officers fought in penal boxes, but they were deprived of their rank and awards. After that, everything was returned to the majority, and they could also be promoted and awarded in rank. Therefore, both discipline and motivation in such units were in full order. My paternal grandfather was a tanker. He said that at first such offenders during tank attacks were carried on armor. In combat terms, according to his stories, they were just scumbag stormtroopers. If they managed to jump into the trenches with them, then they simply cut everyone out there. Therefore, where there were fines, the unit often received the name of the guards. This was later, the tank regiments themselves acquired their own assault infantry. The second grandfather just at the end of the war got to the front as a submachine gunner in a heavy tank regiment

[Coward]

"This is called a historical source, and what nonsense are you"
Enlighten you:
"I was asked many times to tell about my aunt, a participant in the Great Patriotic War, Valentina Chudakova (April 4, 1925 - July 14, 1989). She actually lived two lives. And without tears, her amazing fate cannot be remembered.
An amazing fact in the history of the Second World War: a fragile girl a little over 150 centimeters tall at the age of 18 became the commander of a machine gun company in an active rifle division.
Valentina Chudakova fought on five fronts: on the Northwestern (1941), Kalinin and Western (1942–1943), 2nd Baltic (1944) and 2nd Belorussian (1945). She was wounded five times: the first time in 1942 in the Rzhev region, three times in 1943 (Dorogobuzh, Dobromysl and Orsha) and in 1944 in the Pustoshka region.
For the feat of arms V.V. Chudakova was awarded three Orders of the Red Star (27.03.1943/05.04.1943/16.03.1944, 1945/XNUMX/XNUMX, the date of awarding the third order is unknown to us), as well as the Order of the Patriotic War II Art. (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), medal "For the Victory over Germany" (XNUMX)."[center]

https://mgazeta.com/articles/aktsiya-pamyati/2020-02-10/unikalnyy-sluchay-v-istorii-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyny-pamyati-valentiny-vasilievny-chudakovoy-1066796

[Alexander Salenko]

Sir, re-read your post, companies of officers, and battalions of privates, you can’t argue so hard knowing about your mistake.

[Coward]

It was you who started arguing about the penal division, not understanding the essence of the comments you read, and now you have begun to play up.

[Alexander Salenko]

About who confused the companies with the battalions, I myself came up with, or did you correct the post? And who is busting? You don’t even know a hundredth part of the Second World War from what I know in general and on this topic in particular.

[Alexander Salenko]

Plus, they removed it from the tongue, because it has long been a known fact.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Penal battalions were formed only from convicted officers.

Even in VO, it seems that only a few know about this. If you read many of the comments that are "peeping" here, it turns out that the Red Army consisted of 45% of the penal battalions, 45% of the detachments. 2% correspondents, 3% pilots and the remaining 5% are those who guarded those who did not get into the penal battalions.

Quote: Coward

It seems, companies of officers, bats of privates and sergeants.

This one heard something. Is it just a problem to even look at Wikipedia?

A separate penal battalion (penal battalion, penal battalion) is a penal unit in the rank of a separate battalion. In the Red Army, military personnel of the middle command and commanding (officer) staff of all branches of the armed forces (forces), convicted of military or ordinary crimes, were sent to it[

A separate penal company (penalty) is a penal unit in the rank of a separate company. In the Red Army, private and junior command and commanding (sergeant) personnel of all branches of the armed forces (forces) convicted of military or ordinary crimes were sent there.

And you don't have to guess anything.

[Coward]

Wow! It turns out there are people who are not mistaken.
Wipe the halo.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Coward

Wipe the halo.

Read more, make less mistakes. This is not a halo, this is a bald head, clean. I often wash my head, I can allow tea not Europe, that's why it shines.

[begemot20091]

What nonsense. Ask the late Rokossovsky, don't read nonsense.
2. Military councils of armies and above all commanders of armies:

a) unconditionally remove corps and division commanders and commissioners who allowed unauthorized withdrawal of troops from their positions without orders from the army command, and send them to the military council of the front for trial before a military court;

b) to form within the army 3-5 well-armed guard units (up to 200 in each), place them in the direct rear of unstable divisions and oblige them to shoot panicists and cowards in the event of panic and erratic withdrawal of divisions, and thereby help honest fighters divisions to fulfill their duty to the homeland;

c) form within the army from five to ten (depending on the situation) punitive companies (from 150 to 200 people in each), where to send ordinary soldiers and junior commanders who are guilty of breach of discipline for cowardice or instability, and put them on difficult areas army, to give them the opportunity to atone for the crime of their homeland.
https://mil.ru/winner_may/history/more.htm?id=11205690@cmsArticle

[Coward]

What is the relationship between penal battalions and civilians convicted by a criminal court?

[Alexander Salenko]

And here and there criminal offenses, do you think the military does not commit them or what? The idea is really to give a criminal a weapon is very complicated, how he will use it. Therefore, civilian convicts in the penal companies almost did not fight. But from the point of view of the convict, to sit for 10 years, or take a chance? Here is an option for him. Forcibly, they don’t drag it, but they give a choice.

[Coward]

You didn't get the point. Penal battalions were formed only from military personnel.

[Alexander Salenko]

In general, I am aware, and only from the officers, you, Sergey, know the history badly and do not read the comments, I have spoken enough here.

[76SSSR]

There were no convicts in the penal battalions, it was in the series of the same name with Serebryakov that solid convicts fought in the penal battalion, moreover, both political and "blue" - game and phantasmagoria ....

[Cartalon]

And the army will not be distinguished from the zone.
Thousands of armed criminals is what the country needs.

[Coward]

Read "Chizhik, a bird with character." There, the division was made up of convicts.

[Alexander Salenko]

Paper will endure everything, what division in FIG? Excuse me, but they didn’t do anything larger than a battalion from the convicts and, as you were told, officers served in the battalions. They were still afraid to receive the Order of Glory, the pale that was in the penal battalion, a soldier's award.

[Coward]

God! USE generation. I see you do not know the history of our State at all. Do not watch liberal serials like "penal battalion", but rather carefully read the order on the creation of penal battalions. I will open your eyes, civilians convicted under criminal articles were not sent to penal battalions, only active military personnel were sent to them.

[Alexander Salenko]

Sergey, to put it mildly, you yourself haven’t gone far from the exam and with brains, I don’t argue about your professional qualities, but we must try to make friends, the Penal Division is enchanting nonsense And then we and the youth are surprised if there are those who fall for such wild nonsense . How old are you? I myself am 43. This is my surname and my name, I was born on 21.12.1978/XNUMX/XNUMX. Any more dumb questions?

[Coward]

I have gone further than you. Where did you read what I wrote about the penal division? You do not understand what is written at all, but you make yourself the smartest. You don't even try to understand what they write to you. Although...
You apparently understood everything perfectly, pride does not allow you to admit a mistake.
Once again for not asking stupid questions. Civil convicts in criminal cases were not sent to penal battalions. The book deals with civilians convicted in criminal cases who expressed a desire to go to the front and a division was formed from them (private and sergeant staff).

[Alexander Salenko]

Pride? Some person immediately puts a label, it directly reminds me of an indecent anecdote.

[begemot20091]

I absolutely support you. Posted the link above. And I'm putting it in here too.
https://mil.ru/winner_may/history/more.htm?id=11205690@cmsArticle

[Fitter65]

Quote: Coward

Read "Chizhik, a bird with character." There, the division was made up of convicts.

Yeah. And in Shalamov's "The Last Fight of Major Pugachev" there are solid front-line heroes. And in life, "... one killer, two German police officers, nine members of Ukrainian nationalist formations ..." There was only one real military man, and even he was convicted of a criminal offense ... By the way, one moment surprised me in Shalamov's biography. How could a convict, who is in the Kolyma camp, and, judging by his biography, did not climb out of the "penalty box", get a medical education? He also completed an 8-month paramedic course!!! Maybe not everything in his biography is true, as in the case of Major Pugachev, or about the conditions, in those camps they “smoke” the wrong truth to us? ..

[Coward]

To be honest, I have a biased attitude towards publications of the 90s. The book I'm talking about was written at a time when censorship ruled. It's about a girl who, by chance, became a junior lieutenant and commander of a machine-gun platoon. She was abandoned in conventional divisions. Then she found out that the privates and sergeants were from convicts.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Coward

To be honest, I have a biased attitude towards publications of the 90s. The book I'm talking about was written at a time when censorship reigned.

And? ... You want to say that "Chizhik, a bird with character" is a documentary evidence? Then "Heart of a Dog" tells about the greatest medical experiment of Soviet scientists...

[begemot20091]

Did you read this book in the toilet? I lived in the village - amenities on the street. I read a lot in my spare time. Already as a student, Solzhenitsyn's delirium. I grew up in Siberia and saw many exiles in the "convict" region. All such "cuties" - especially Westerners. One said: "The Komsomol member was slammed with an ax. I asked: could I? Yes, like 2 fingers ... Throw off Godkov 10-20. "...

[Coward]

You would, before making judgments, for decency look who the author is.

[begemot20091]

Much has been written since the war. Including Chudakova. Solzhenitsyn even received the Nobel Prize. I do not detract from the merits of Valentina Vasilievna in the least, but documents in such cases are a more reliable thing. My father-in-law reached the Vistula - he served with Rokossovsky. Didn't say much. Only shortly before his death, he recalled those terrible years and, especially, the little nurse who, with his chest, a hefty Siberian peasant, loaded a raft with a "torn" explosive bullet, noticing that blood was gurgling in his lungs. And the Vistula was both wide and cold at that time ..
https://youtu.be/tzAdLGHE_vk

[TIR]

And how do we differ from convicts, who, for example, in a brawl in the courtyard of the house, defended their honor or the honor of a loved one and cripple presumptuous bastards? Why are there so few of them in the zone? I know how we are different. The fact that right now we are sitting warmly at home and writing about the army, and they are in the zone and are ready to fulfill our civic duty to protect the Motherland. While, as they say, well .. pa in the warmth, you can criticize and advise. If you don't want convicts there, then volunteer for the military registration and enlistment office. They rarely refuse. And the prisoners will not need to be involved in the war

[begemot20091]

Bravo. My relative also ate baldness. Two adult sons. "Not - they are" IT people "" - they are not called up.
https://youtu.be/CMSP2Zmw4yI

[Pulkovo1942]

on non-serious articles

The concept is flexible. It is terrible to imagine the consequences when, after the completion of the SVO, at the same time, a mass of prisoners with combat experience (and among them there will be murderers, pedophiles, thieves, etc.) will merge into society.

[Uprun]

See the comment below..., after Afghan and Chechnya, snipers were snapped up in the criminal structure..., and the work of the state...., everything is in a spiral... and this road will have to be passed again and again...

[kit88]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

The concept is flexible.

Why stretch? We have everything written down.
We open st. 15 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and read it fluently.
In short, if under a sane article the maximum sentence does not exceed 5 years, then the article is not serious.
Of course, murderers and pedophiles are by, everyone there is more than 5 years old.

[Pulkovo1942]

We have everything written

Another question is whether reality will correspond to these prescriptions.

[Alexander Salenko]

Did you read carefully? There will be no pedophiles there, and about the mass with combat experience, a fantasy was violently played out in you. A criminal by nature is a coward for the most part. But more on that later, from the fact that 2-3 thousand criminals will be taken and they will return in half a year, will this greatly affect a large country? This is not the 1953 amnesty. They stupidly released a bunch of prisoners.
Now about motivation, in prison they actually feed, give out clothes, wash, there is also life there and do you seriously believe that there will be a shaft to exchange it for a risk, so that your head is blown off? To fight is not to cut a bag, not to rob an apartment, not to squeeze a wallet out of your pocket.
And there are those who sat down out of stupidity, well, for example, he killed in an accident, hit a relative with a pipe. I'm talking about a specific case, an ordinary plumber. And they say to this, you go further, or you have the opportunity - why not?

[Astra55]

Here questions arise.
Firstly, the hardened ones will not go under difficult articles. It is better for him to fall through the bunk for 3 years than to substitute his head under the bullets. Unless ideological.
The pioneers can go to knock off the term. Ten days is good.
But here comes the "second". How then can a peasant with combat experience, who sniffed gunpowder, go through blood and close the war back to the zone? Will he go back under escort? The ZK has a head not like that of civilians, maybe it’s a turn to give a turn for those who came back to arrest him.

[Alexander Salenko]

To what zone? He gets freedom, otherwise what's the point? Half a year rattled and fell on all 4 sides.

[Astra55]

Quote: Alexander Salenko

Half a year rattled and fell on all 4 sides.

Oh li!
When was it so easy for us?
Then they would have offered - the contract was signed, fulfilled and free.
But in fact, they offer cleverly:

It is proposed to count one day of participation in battles for ten days in places of deprivation of liberty.

One day in combat, a month without combat. Well approximately. Then they count, shed tears ...

[Alexander Salenko]

Maybe comrade, I understood that it was so, but I didn’t seriously delve into it, the essence of the fact that you can free yourself faster does not change much. Moreover, I repeat, I don’t remember in which post I said here, the convicts do not like to take risks with their skin.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

a mass of prisoners with combat experience (and among them there will be murderers, pedophiles, thieves, etc.) will merge into society.

Have you even read the article? Or, after reading the title, they rushed to scribble a comment? The article says about what you are asking here.

[Pulkovo1942]

The article says about what you are asking here.

You can write anything, they also write on the fences.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

You can write anything, they also write on the fences.

So WORLD was written on one garage, and there was a tank ... But sometimes you need to read what you comment on. And it turns out, I didn’t read Pasternak, but I completely condemn !!!!

[Uprun]

Well, there are still skeptics about the theory of the development of history in a spiral ...., somewhere and once it already happened, .... no? Then the Fatherland was in danger ... but now?

[Alexander Salenko]

There are, for example, stories that don’t give a damn about linearity and spiral, and all other schemes, it is not schematic. Marx, for example, cited a sane theory, but even then it turned out to be not false, of course, he spoke correctly, but Eurocentric. And Europe is a historical anomaly, what is there in a spiral and how is it developing if there was neither Tamerlane, nor Genghis Khan with Byaty? Only Spain. the Arabs shook a little and even reached the center of France.
Your spiral is for convenience, but the historical process does not care, such as the movement of celestial bodies or lithospheric plates, for example, does not care about what a person thinks about it.

[AB]

And then the series will be about how bloody edros were sent to the penal battalions to be slaughtered? Or is it different?

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

The State Duma received a bill providing for the involvement of convicts in military operations in Ukraine

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- To place "five hundredths" in the vacated places ...
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[Asad]

No, all the smart-ass 500s are back, first of all.

[for]

In my understanding Special Operation should be carried out special departments and as soon as possible.

[76SSSR]

Quote: for

Special operation must be carried out special. departments and as soon as possible.

This is if you adequately assess the enemy, do not chew snot and less incomprehensible humanism ...

[Eva Star]

Cool own. Mobilization and convicts. It just won't solve the problem much. The main problem is the lack of a sane command. Our generals have already ruined the contract army, now there will be mobilized ones who are also worse equipped. Where are the executions and demotions? During the Second World War, Stalin defiantly shot the generals so that the rest would understand that they were risking their heads. Putin needs to purge those who are not ready for a modern war.

[paul3390]

What about generals? They are fighting with what they gave .. From the very beginning, all sane people said that the allocated forces are NOT ENOUGH for an operation of this magnitude. So - the blame is not on the generals, but on those who obviously screwed up their calculations when making such a decision. And if you remember - it was by no means the first time that he was fooled ..

[Eva Star]

If the generals had not mastered the defense budget for their expenses, then they would have had more than enough strength. It's just that the equipment of the army is terrible in every way, from the first aid kit onwards. The equipment of the soldier of the army does not correspond to 2022, but rather stuck in the last century.

[paul3390]

You understand - with the system built in Russia, it is simply impossible not to master, as you say. And most likely - with much worse consequences ..

[for]

Quote from Eva Star

Putin needs to purge those who are not ready for a modern war.

Suicide is a sin.

[Alexander Salenko]

During the Great Patriotic War, Stalin shot the command of the Belarusian district and that's it. Nobody touched Tymoshenko for the Kharkiv failure, for example. Petrov, who defended Odessa and Sevastopol, during the offensive fired the BC into the white light like a pretty penny, well, he dropped by two ranks.

[Essex62]

It can be seen that the herd is quite bad, since the convicts are sent to the front. The deputies would have to think about the consequences.

[Dilettante grandfather]

I'm against. Firstly, because the ZK, not all, part, can easily desert. With weapons in hand. They can go to the enemy, but this is unlikely, I think they understand how this will turn out.
Secondly, why do we need a bunch of criminal elements with combat experience after the end of the database? To enlarge the departments for combating banditry throughout the country to the eyeballs?
And the laws ... Since 1992, so many unnecessary, non-observed / frankly non-working laws have been adopted - not to count. Therefore, I am personally skeptical about both such a proposal and the bill.

[Alexander Salenko]

I stated my thoughts above, the convict as a whole is not a soldier. He is brave with you, for example, when you are alone, but oh three. Mishka Yaponchik created units of the Red Army from convicts at one time - they fled. A pickpocket, a thimbler, a window man or something will they fight to the limit with the risk of getting a severed head or twisted intestines?

[Hadji Murat]

Everything is so bad at the front, now we have given up Yampol, we continue to retreat, we will surrender the estuary in another day

[Plate]

While I'm calm about this. Parliaments are generally created to have the opportunity to discuss absolutely everything, including any nonsense. But if it is accepted, it will be very, very bad.

[paul3390]

Parliaments are generally created so that there is an opportunity to discuss

Just not ours. It's made for something completely different...

[Alexander Salenko]

Anyone, Pavel, with all due respect to your posts, how does the British talking shop differ from ours?

[paul3390]

The fact that they even talk there, even if it’s about nothing .. And in ours, they stupidly stamp lowered pointers .. Although, any bourgeois-type parliament is just a mockery of the principle of popular representation .. Simply because none of them represents the people, which is clearly seen in the composition of the deputies. There is anyone - but not the people.

[Carlos Hall]

This is a very good measure for convicts to remove their convictions. I would also mobilize the priests to arms, because this war is a real crusade for the survival of the Russian world, a crusade called Z

[for]

Or maybe better.

As of November 1, 2021, there are 2 people in the ranks of the party.

After all, we often refer to the need to take over the Second World War.

One of the deputies of the Samara provincial Duma came under partial mobilization. This was announced by the representative of the Communist Party Mikhail Abdalkin on his page in social networks.

[iouris]

And why can't they be attracted to those who are on the border of Kazakhstan and Georgia? They are going to endure and endure hardships and humiliation, to lower the opinion of the "world community" about the Russian Federation below the plinth. And in the army they should be taught, and if they don’t want to, forced to be disciplined citizens. Or is it "separate flaws"? And why is Krasny Liman surrounded, and Kupyansk surrendered?
What about retraining them as tractor drivers and machine operators, and forcing them to build houses for refugees? You need to feed your army, otherwise you will feed someone else's army (and not even one). Three hundred thousand bullies!

[Deep Diver]

And why can't they be attracted to those who are on the border of Kazakhstan and Georgia?

Attract for what? Because people don't want to fight? Well, it's natural, no one wants to be killed, and few people want to kill

[Two]

This category must be identified according to accounting and preserved. So that later, according to our spiritual generosity, the new "Venediktovs", "Makarevichs" and other "Galkins" ...

[iouris]

Quote from Deep Diver

no one wants to be killed, and few people want to kill

You are doing subversive work in the Russian rear.

[Deep Diver]

Well, write me a statement, since you are so smart

[BMP-2]

Probably still should not be likened to the "Kraken". Involving prisoners is always more a gesture of hopelessness than providing an opportunity for the manifestation of patriotism.

[Two]

Our zones are full of those who stumbled on worthless cases, the villagers are dragging and will drag on trifles, the district police officer has uncovered and will uncover such thefts as husk seeds! And the boys will get real terms! Looking at those who steal millions and drink tequila in Goa. So let them shake themselves up and feel like a part of the Earth they came from! Otherwise, the thieves' suit will twist them into "torpedoes" and other applications of the thieves' essence.

[Deep Diver]

Do you really think that dying is better than serving a couple of years?

[Two]

Forgive me generously! But with your position, it’s better to sit and return to where you sat down from! Sorry, but you can’t steal feed from a neighbor’s pig all your life to feed your own.

[Deep Diver]

And from this you have to die somewhere near Kherson? And yes, it’s really possible not to steal, hasn’t such a thought crossed your mind?

[Two]

Well no of course! Having served time and returned to his original occupation, the peasant must live and breed his own kind! And to fight for him, dear, from the power of the victim, a neighbor who lived righteously and raised children, and even helped the family of the "inmate" as much as he could! Logic however...

[Deep Diver]

I already wrote that stealing is not at all necessary, but apparently it’s hard for you to imagine life without theft. And yet, the idea that it is not at all necessary to fight, did it occur to you?

[Two]

By yourself, swindler, judge!? Where did I post about the stimulation of thefts? But what am I talking about...

[Deep Diver]

How cleverly you turned everything upside down, you immediately feel the experience! Are you a member of United Russia?

[Two]

It is high time! For minor cases, you can send!

[Mint Gingerbread]

A practice as old as the world, which is many centuries old. Fight in the interests of the state and get a pardon. Only in peacetime, it always backfired. Criminals with combat experience.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

What prevents the criminals from going and gaining health and combat experience for free (who did not understand the joke from the DMB, slightly redone)?
Or those who have not yet sat down and are not under investigation, but are already in crime.
Or a veteran join an organized crime group.

You need control, that's all.

[ASM]

If they offer, but not by force, those convicted of stealing a sack of potatoes or a bottle of rum from a store, then I agree. In no case should convicts under serious articles be given the opportunity to serve under a contract. If you need to dispose of them, then only through serving a term in a penal company with some coefficient.

[evgen1221]

Actually, this June is being practiced on the sly, there is already one hero of the Russian Federation with an outstanding term of 10 years.

[former soldier]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

on non-serious articles

The concept is flexible. It is terrible to imagine the consequences when, after the completion of the SVO, at the same time, a mass of prisoners with combat experience (and among them there will be murderers, pedophiles, thieves, etc.) will merge into society.

Not everything is so romantic. Many simply will not live to see the infusion into society. The other part of those who cannot live without adrenaline will go to PMCs and Africa. And in general. A lot has passed through Afghanistan and that the killers walked in herds in the wild?
Pedophiles are not even agitated.
Well, then imagine that Ukrainian, Romanian, Polish, Lithuanian policemen on behalf of NATO will roam the streets of our cities and villages. The choice is yours.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Former soldier

pedophiles

@

Quote: Former soldier

with combat experience

I'm not making excuses, though.
And there the specifics of the crime is such that there is that military experience or not - it does not affect.
Or are you saying that something like "a gang of pedophiles stormed a kindergarten" will happen (and what prevents the armed without experience from doing the same?)?

Yes, and in our country you can turn out to be a "pedophile" by walking naked by the window or going out of small need in the bushes, it is enough for children to pass by or to wait and have an application.
Obvious kink. Soon they will be stigmatized even for an unbuttoned fly.

[former soldier]

Quote: Dos

It is high time! For minor cases, you can send!

For insignificant ones, they themselves are not torn. Yes, and they are already written during the shots.

[former soldier]

Quote from Deep Diver

And why can't they be attracted to those who are on the border of Kazakhstan and Georgia?

Attract for what? Because people don't want to fight? Well, it's natural, no one wants to be killed, and few people want to kill

You have the psychology of a naive teenager.
In fact, a citizen of any country is obliged to comply with its laws. Any country. Do not want? Run.

[Master 2030]

Even if everything is so bad, the chifir battalions will make it even worse. The Bashkir lobbies are clearly someone lobyat.
Thrice "superhero" Prigozhin increases the "capitalization" of his sharaga? (If I'm not talking about Wagner, he's clearly on a tangent here)

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Upon receipt of a wound that makes further participation in hostilities impossible, the issue of further serving the sentence, mitigation or cancellation will be decided by the court, taking into account all the circumstances.

Crossbows will have to disassemble a lot.