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The UN Security Council was going to hold a meeting on the recognition of "illegitimate" referendums in the Donbass and in the regions of the former Ukraine

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The UN Security Council was going to hold a meeting on the recognition of "illegitimate" referendums in the Donbass and in the regions of the former Ukraine

The UN Security Council decided to hold a meeting at which it is supposed to recognize as illegitimate the referendums held in the republics of Donbass, as well as in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. The day before, the Secretary General of the organization, António Guterres, announced that “referendums cannot be accepted,” and added that they allegedly do not comply with the UN Charter.


In this regard, the Russian Foreign Ministry hastened to remind Mr. Guterres that the will of the people is the highest form of democracy, which itself is protected by the United Nations. It was noted that in connection with the statements about the “inconsistency of referendums with international law”, the Secretary General, in fact, refuses the peoples to demonstrate their will by direct voting.

The Permanent Mission of Russia to the UN noted that if the UN Secretary General is familiar with the charter of the organization, then he should be aware of the prescribed right of the nation to self-determination and the existence of Article 97 of the Charter that the Secretary General is the chief administrative officer of the organization. It is noted that the Secretary General, on the basis of the UN Charter, does not have the right to make political statements on behalf of the entire organization, since the organization is neither subordinate to him, nor subordinate to anyone else on the basis of its same charter.

The Russian Permanent Mission accused Guterres of violating the UN Charter also in the sense that, on the basis of Article 100, the Secretary General and any other officials of the organization must refrain from actions that could affect their position as these same officials.

It should be noted that only after the meeting on the referendums held in the UN Security Council will the issue of leakage in the SP and SP-2 gas pipelines be considered. The Russian delegation expressed its regret on this occasion, noting that the issue was urgent.
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  1. Belousov_Kuzma_Egorovich
    Belousov_Kuzma_Egorovich 30 September 2022 06: 37
    +18
    The Anglo-Saxons in their repertoire: "If a gentleman can't win, he changes the rules."
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 30 September 2022 06: 44
      +3
      Who orders the music, the girl, as they say ..
    2. Victor_B
      Victor_B 30 September 2022 06: 49
      +12
      Quote: Belousov_Kuzma_Egorovich
      The Anglo-Saxons in their repertoire: "If a gentleman can't win, he changes the rules."
      On this, Russia will put its... VETO!
      1. Myths
        Myths 30 September 2022 07: 23
        +11
        Yes, for good times they play such games for a vote to raise the issue of incompatibility with the position held for violating the UN Charter. It is clear that this will also be vetoed. By the way, don't they want to hold a conviction for blowing up gas pipelines?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 30 September 2022 07: 43
          +3
          Quote from Mitos
          Yes, for good times they play such games for a vote to raise the issue of incompatibility with the position held for violating the UN Charter. It is clear that this will also be vetoed. By the way, don't they want to hold a conviction for blowing up gas pipelines?

          The UN has long since lost its reason for existence. It's time to let it go.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 30 September 2022 08: 06
            +2
            Well, the UN Security Council decided. cool. USA, England, France. Without China and Russia. The stump of Vetto is clear for such a shobla
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 30 September 2022 13: 20
            +1
            The UN is a convenient platform for conversations (to convey your opinion to other countries), and therefore it exists, and this sharaga has no power either legal or physical.
        2. St54
          St54 30 September 2022 08: 01
          0
          We didn't appoint him...
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 30 September 2022 08: 06
          +2
          Quote from Mitos
          By the way, don't they want to hold a conviction for blowing up gas pipelines?

          Want but later. The agenda is dictated not by the UN, but by mattresses, which have long made the UN their pocket toy.
          Note that only after the meeting on the held referendums The UN Security Council will consider the issue of leakage in the SP and SP-2 gas pipelines. The Russian delegation expressed its regret on this occasion, noting that the issue was urgent.
        4. Wbond
          Wbond 30 September 2022 19: 15
          0
          ... that's right! .... there's nothing to be silent about !!!
    3. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 30 September 2022 13: 17
      0
      This is if he is able, and if not, then nothing will help, as with the Crimea.
  2. Two
    Two 30 September 2022 06: 38
    +6
    hi Gutya is dancing under the dictation of the USA and clapping her hands!
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 30 September 2022 06: 40
    +5
    Nothing unusual. Pro-Amerz mongrel this Portuguese
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 September 2022 06: 42
    +12
    hold a meeting at which it is supposed to recognize the referenda as illegitimate
    The American puppet of Portuguese origin is in no hurry to hold a meeting on the terrorist attack at SP-1,2, but it is in a hurry to recognize the referendums as illegitimate - a "model" of UN impartiality and fulfillment of its obligations under the Charter of this organization. Full bucket.
  5. 2112vda
    2112vda 30 September 2022 06: 45
    +10
    Well, what for are we reporting to the impudent Saxon sixes? It's time to send them "forest and gardens" and start forming new international structures based on the SCO and BRICS.
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 30 September 2022 06: 46
    +15
    if the UN Secretary General is familiar with the charter of the organization,

    It seems that he is not familiar with the Charter. Only reads US cheat sheets. And if "referendums are not legitimate", then cancel all decisions at the behest of referendums, namely, the independence of the Baltic states, Moldova and other republics of the destroyed USSR, and their accession to the EU. )))
  7. ocean
    ocean 30 September 2022 06: 55
    +12
    The collapse of the USSR took place without referendums at all, but do you still recognize the Baltic states? Was there a referendum in Kosovo, which set the teeth on edge?! So who is reviewing the borders, reshaping the state and opening the "Pandora's Box" with a new arrangement of the world?! Cynics are vile
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 30 September 2022 07: 39
      +8
      And still, no one saw the results of the referendum in the GDR on joining the FRG hi
    2. Boycott
      Boycott 30 September 2022 07: 58
      +2
      The collapse of the USSR took place without referendums at all, and
      There was just a referendum, I myself voted for the preservation of the Union, like the majority. The UN is just about to go to the dustbin of history, following the League of Nations. The meaning of existence is lost.
  8. AAC
    AAC 30 September 2022 07: 05
    +10
    It seems that the UN has become obsolete like the League of Nations
  9. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 30 September 2022 07: 14
    +2
    ***
    - This gutta-percha Guteresh should work at a shoe polish factory, and not the UN Secretary General ...
    ***
  10. Metlik
    Metlik 30 September 2022 07: 23
    -25
    The Russian Foreign Ministry believes that there are Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson people. Obviously, they were too lazy to open the definition of the people in the dictionary. However, this does not bother anyone in a state where the force of law has been replaced by the law of force. I just do not understand how to recognize the vote if it was not held in the entire territory. (part of Donetsk and Lugansk regions under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine)
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 30 September 2022 07: 31
      +1
      counted for from those who voted, the rest are not important
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 30 September 2022 07: 54
        -9
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        counted for from those who voted, the rest are not important

        What else doesn't matter?
        The principle of universal suffrage is on the side.
        Obviously next in line is an equal, voluntary and secret ballot. They can also be forgotten.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 30 September 2022 07: 51
      -8
      Quote: Metlik
      The Russian Foreign Ministry believes that there are Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson people. Obviously, they were too lazy to open the definition of the people in the dictionary. However, this does not bother anyone in a state where the force of law has been replaced by the law of force. I just do not understand how to recognize the vote if it was not held in the entire territory. (part of Donetsk and Lugansk regions under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine)

      Well, these are trifles. They held the same vote in the districts of the Zaporozhye region, which are under the control of the Republic of Armenia, although the Zaporozhye agglomeration, where before the war 60% of the population of the Zaporozhye region lived under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I already wrote the other day that these referendums are meaningless and no one knows them. China, which with horror imagines a similar referendum in Taiwan, India, for which a referendum in Kashmir is a nightmare, or the Philippines, which crushes any attempts at separatism in Mindanao, will oppose even louder than Europe. Russia simply had to declare the union of these territories by the right of the strong.
    3. Olga
      Olga 30 September 2022 09: 02
      0
      Quote: Metlik
      I just don’t understand how to recognize the vote if it was not held in the entire territory

      "... The pianist Lisitsa will arrive from Portugal in the Russian Federation to vote in a referendum ..." - does this tell you something?
      Whoever wanted to vote.
      Please do without the usual "you don't understand, they can't come because they won't be allowed in by the Armed Forces of Ukraine."
      Now reap the fruits of your hataskrainichestvo and be angry with yourself for your passivity and indifference. Those who "couldn't" vote are satisfied with any government, even the Nazis were satisfied. No problem. It's about turnout.
      And then - the counting of the votes of the voters who appeared. That's all.
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 30 September 2022 09: 08
        -2
        Quote: Olga
        Whoever wanted to vote.

        And those who could not cross the front line for this - well, that means they didn’t really want to.

        Putin is trying to slip us this accession as a good job - but this is a piece of trash. Then it turns out that even the Savings Bank of the Russian Federation and the Russian Sports Federation do not want to recognize new regions, as we have already seen in the Crimea.
        1. Olga
          Olga 30 September 2022 09: 35
          -1
          Quote: Metlik
          And those who could not cross the front line for this - well, that means they didn’t really want to.

          I suggested not pulling on my favorite "you don't understand, they can't come because they won't be allowed in by the Armed Forces of Ukraine."
          Okay, let me explain. Of them:
          a) part supports Russia. I understand that you have no regrets about such an electorate. They won anyway!
          b) they could (with a strong desire) leave through the corridors controlled by Kyiv. To vote. Why didn't you leave? APU afraid? Why are they afraid of their beloved authorities (it’s not pleasant for you to read this, I understand ...)? Or don't want to? - then back to my answer above.
          Am I speaking formally? Yes. Elections are a formalization of the opinion of the people.

          Quote: Metlik
          slip us
          no one is giving you anything. Rather, you slipped the so-called Ukrainians an unviable ideology.

          And yet, I have such a question - if you do not recognize the fact of the referendum, so to speak "wanted to spit", then why did you suddenly start to worry? wink
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 30 September 2022 15: 08
            -2
            Quote: Olga
            ) could (with a strong desire) leave through the corridors controlled by Kyiv.

            And why then only in 4 areas the referendum is arranged? Let's announce that the referendum was held throughout Ukraine, just who wanted to, he flew from Portugal to the Red Maidan - and voted. The people of Kiev are 100 percent in favor - all 12 people.

            And the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing - and we are throwing the population at the mercy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - does not bother you - the event was held for show.
            1. Olga
              Olga 30 September 2022 16: 52
              0
              Quote: Metlik
              Let's announce that the referendum was held throughout Ukraine

              will definitely announce! as soon as we release!
              Quote: Metlik
              The people of Kiev are 100 percent in favor - all 12 people.
              these are your fantasies
              Quote: Metlik
              event for the show

              Congratulations on the entry of four new regions into Russia!!! love
  11. Galleon
    Galleon 30 September 2022 07: 27
    +11
    100 years of democracy, 100 years without empires, but how the political leaders of states and not only degenerated. Compared to the former aristocracy, they are simply outbred, wherever you look.
  12. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 30 September 2022 07: 46
    +1
    And what about the meeting on blowing up gas pipelines to Europe? Didn't they tell you again?
  13. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 30 September 2022 07: 48
    +5
    Quote: Metlik
    However, this does not bother anyone in a state where the force of law has been replaced by the law of force.

    As aptly noted .... the USA is a state of power, but not rights !!!
  14. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 30 September 2022 07: 49
    +3
    The Anglo-Saxon Union of Oberevshie Nations!
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 September 2022 07: 56
    +1
    Who does this Guterres look like? Some kind of amorphous mass and the entire UN turns into the same.
  16. Mwg
    Mwg 30 September 2022 08: 02
    +2
    "... that only after the meeting on the referendums held in the UN Security Council will they consider the issue of leakage in the gas pipelines SP and SP-2." - The UN shows the qualities of a huckster - trying to bargain. This UN is rotten and rotten: now traders decide the fate of peoples, evaluating these fates through the point of view of the owner of a butcher's shop on an ownerless flock of sheep.
  17. zan_parti
    zan_parti 30 September 2022 08: 05
    +1
    A normal position is that they don't see an already accomplished act of terrorism on a global scale, they don't see eight years of daily killings of civilians. And the event that has not yet taken place, corresponding to all the norms of international law, is already being condemned.
    Maybe this organization has become obsolete? What is the point of it if it is so biased and politicized?
  18. Uprun
    Uprun 30 September 2022 08: 33
    +1
    And he doesn’t want to ask the Greeks about Cyprus, a referendum, not a referendum, about Kosovo near Serbia, the Dutch heights under Israel, the list goes on .... Open expansion is one thing - the UN does not welcome, condemns, but the choice of the people is another - we don’t recognize ... Two-faced and vile ....
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 30 September 2022 10: 16
      +1
      Uprun (Uprun)
      Today, 08: 33
      NEW
      +1
      And he doesn’t want to ask the Greeks about Cyprus, a referendum, not a referendum, about Kosovo near Serbia, the Dutch heights under Israel, the list goes on .... Open expansion is one thing - the UN does not welcome, condemns, but the choice of the people is another - we don’t recognize ... Two-faced and vile ....
      Useless. They are ALL sharpened there against Russia.
  19. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 30 September 2022 09: 31
    0
    why did we agree to this order and, in general, to participate in this circus, where an international terrorist will have the right to flog us with a sense of his own righteousness?
  20. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 September 2022 10: 15
    0
    It was noted that in connection with the statements about the "inconsistency of referendums with international law" general secretary, in effect, it denies the nations to demonstrate their will through direct voting.
    Nothing decisive small Merikatosovskaya six. it even "goes to the latrine and sleep" on command.
  21. iouris
    iouris 30 September 2022 11: 43
    0
    One question: did Mr. Lavrov or Mr. Putin, on behalf of the Russian Federation, sanction the appointment of this US agent to the post of UN Secretary General, or was he elected in defiance?
  22. free
    free 1 October 2022 13: 25
    0
    since the organization is neither subordinate to him nor subordinate to anyone else
    A good answer, straight to the point, otherwise he’s just talking as if he had conducted an investigation and personally counted the ballots
  23. NG inform
    NG inform 2 October 2022 00: 47
    0
    The general secretary is legally illiterate and does not know the charter. What are his claims? He is a EUROPEAN, which in itself means that he has an advantage over all sorts of non-termensches.