Mistakes made during partial mobilization must be corrected and prevented from happening again - Putin

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Mistakes made during partial mobilization must be corrected and prevented from happening again - Putin

Mistakes made during partial mobilization must be corrected, and in the near future. This was stated by Vladimir Putin at a meeting of the Security Council of Russia, held today.

According to the Russian president, mistakes are made during partial mobilization, after which the population receives many questions about this. All errors must be corrected and prevented in the future. In particular, among the most common are the mobilization of those who do not fall under it and the refusal to call for volunteers. In addition, it is necessary to look at the professions of the mobilized and not to enroll doctors in motorized rifles, etc.



Volunteers without a summons are turned back, but those who should not be mobilized, we must deal with all this without fuss

- the president said, adding that the Prosecutor General's Office should immediately respond to all cases of violations, prosecutors are included in the draft commissions.

The President also once again reminded that reserve servicemen with the necessary military specialties and combat experience fall under mobilization, and not all in a row, who are more or less suitable in age. All mobilized must certainly undergo additional training before being sent to the special operation zone.

Recall that partial mobilization in Russia began on September 21. According to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, it is planned to call up about 300 reserve servicemen in total. The formed units will mainly be engaged in the control and defense of the liberated territories.
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  1. +29
    29 September 2022 21: 19
    I woke up after so many days, amazing. winked
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 21: 29
      Woke up. Now the question is, what is the difference between an Olympian type skater and an amateur type skater? During mobilization. Nothing. Just normal men will not excuse themselves. And a bunch of cowards toadies - eternal pozo.r
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 04: 12
        Quote: bandabas
        Olympic figure skater

        Obviously, he's handsome! laughing
    2. +16
      29 September 2022 21: 56
      How is it “in our opinion”, first issue a maximally non-specific decree, and then punish for execution. The military commissars are certainly still “eccentrics”, but judging by the published text of the decree, they did not violate anything.
      1. +17
        29 September 2022 22: 09
        Quote from: filibuster
        The military commissars are certainly still “eccentrics”, but judging by the published text of the decree, they did not violate anything.

        Up to 35 years old. VUS: motorized riflemen, artillerymen, landing troops, marines. Combat experience preferred. And who is being buried? And so there is nothing not violated
        1. +10
          29 September 2022 22: 14
          So there is nothing about VUSs, in the decree on partial mobilization, here are the main points:

          1. To announce partial mobilization in the Russian Federation from September 21, 2022.

          2. To carry out the call of citizens of the Russian Federation for military service for mobilization in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Citizens of the Russian Federation called up for military service by mobilization have the status of military personnel serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation under a contract.


          it is said to call up citizens of the Russian Federation for military service without any specifics, the military commissars are doing exactly this, tell them to call up to 35 years with certain VUS then this is exactly what they will do.
          1. +14
            29 September 2022 23: 26
            Unfortunately, the mess in the mobile work of military registration and enlistment offices is not a product of today's mobilization. This is a consequence of many years of reforms, optimizations and other castrations of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces of the country.
            The reduction of military schools, the transformation of the remaining ones, with some exceptions, into "institutions of noble maidens" .. all this entailed the destruction of the continuity of the officer corps and pride in belonging to it, broke the chains of the platoon-company level - who should command platoons of companies ??? and turned the collections of conscripts into a drunken partisan fiction and profanity.

            It is bitter to look at that mob.horror that is shown today on many Internet networks and channels! It is bitter to see how, in the name of another "good report" upstairs, individual blockheads in uniform with their stupidity and unprofessionalism excite society and give our "neighbors" the opportunity to troll our citizens and inspire their own!

            Instead of tank "ballets" and "badmintons", it was necessary a long time ago to computerize this most important, for the existence of the state, line of work of the RF Ministry of Defense and turn the mobile reserve into a kind of people trained, motivated and respected by the State ... like in Switzerland !!!
            For some reason, it seems to me that during the mobilization there, they will not run to hide in Belgium-Holland!

            Interestingly, can we someday, at least once, not perform feats in the name, but simply work systematically to achieve the Result and the Goal ??? Without theft, kickbacks, lies?!
            I have some vague doubts.......

            And yet, it is MANDATORY to return to the People the ideological fullness of his life, the Idea of ​​our State, because without this it is very difficult to go on the attack for the Motherland!
            1. +6
              30 September 2022 01: 18
              I support you 100 percent! Only now the loot is the topic.
            2. ada
              0
              30 September 2022 04: 39
              Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
              ... And yet, it is MANDATORY to return to the People the ideological fullness of his life, the Idea of ​​our State ...

              Vashcheta, we seem to have a tradition and a way of how this is done, while part of the population from those who disagree is cut on the ground (you have it on this, like him .. well, cool, in general, it’s a pity for him, but they don’t exist), goes to places for labor re-education, is expelled to the exit with hand luggage, forced to serve the people with a loss of rights and under supervision, and a part that has accepted the obvious reality and feels justice, understanding the prospect for the country, unites in a single impulse and does everything that was indicated earlier and everything that the Soviet people had previously done for the development and defense of the people's country.
              Honestly, I don't know any other way. Maybe there is now some kind of breakthrough in this science, how to make everything right at once and for everyone and smoothly, smoothly ... but I doubt the couple.
              Yes, the mess in the VK is inseparable from the mess in the Armed Forces and the OGVi MSU - well, the system is like that, if something goes bad in one place, it will always go bad in another.
            3. +4
              30 September 2022 04: 52
              Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
              And yet, it is MANDATORY to return to the People the ideological fullness of his life, the Idea of ​​our State, because without this it is very difficult to go on the attack for the Motherland!

              To return the ideology that allowed them to win and expand their influence in the world is to return the socialist ideology. Yes, it is necessary, but the entire current elite is against it with all its paws. hi
          2. ada
            -1
            30 September 2022 02: 03
            The VC work on a whole list of documents in accordance with the instructions of the OMD General Staff. Detailing in the Decree is nonsense, otherwise it will never be finished with publication!
        2. +12
          29 September 2022 22: 19
          Up to 35 years old. VUS: motorized riflemen, artillerymen, landing troops, marines. Combat experience preferred.

          Is there even a word about all this in the decree?
          1. -4
            29 September 2022 22: 27
            Quote: Bogalex
            Is there even a word about all this in the decree?

            Laws are not as important as their explanations. And the Ministry of Defense chewed everything on the shelves, by the way
            1. +8
              29 September 2022 23: 07
              And the Ministry of Defense is endowed with such powers, seriously? Yes in general statements from the blue screen do not have the force of a legislative act in and of themselves.

              So, if you are not aware, the current Federal Law quite specifically stipulates who exactly should determine the categories of citizens called up for mobilization, or, according to the dry text of the document, "gives (suspends) the right to deferment from military service for mobilization to citizens or individual categories of citizens.
              And this, as you may have already guessed, is not the Minister of Defense at all, but the Supreme.
              But he did not specify anything in his decree. This means that by calling on any citizen who is in the reserve for military service, not a single military commissar is violating anything now.
              1. -1
                29 September 2022 23: 25
                And the Ministry of Defense is endowed with such powers, seriously?

                Seriously, seriously. Have you even read the decree?
                Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of September 21, 2022 No. 647 "On the announcement of partial mobilization in the Russian Federation"
                ...
                8. The highest officials of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation shall ensure the conscription of citizens for military service for mobilization in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the quantity and within the time limits which are determined by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for each subject of the Russian Federation.
                1. +7
                  29 September 2022 23: 37
                  Have you even read the decree?

                  I've been reading. And you? laughing
                  in the amount and within the time limits determined by the Ministry of Defense

                  What is the relation of the concept
                  Up to 35 years old. VUS: motorized riflemen, artillerymen, landing troops, marines. Combat experience preferred.

                  (well, that is exactly what we are discussing now) have to phrase
                  in quantity and time
                  ? Explain, I'm very interested smile
                  1. -4
                    30 September 2022 00: 41
                    Excuse me, but have you read the entire Decree? And chipboard item 7? I mean, it is impossible to talk about what is in the Decree and what is not there without seeing it in its entirety.
                    1. +5
                      30 September 2022 00: 50
                      DSP-shny item concerns the number of conscripts. And yes, I read it Yes There is nothing in it that would fundamentally change the essence of our conversation.
                  2. -1
                    2 October 2022 15: 35
                    I've been reading. And you?
                    Poorly read
                    And so especially for you
                    Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of September 21, 2022 No. 647 "On the announcement of partial mobilization in the Russian Federation"
                    21 September 2022
                    According to federal laws dated May 31, 1996 N 61-FZ "On Defense", dated February 26, 1997 N 31-FZ "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation" and dated March 28, 1998 N 53-FZ "On military duty and military service"

                    A law has been singled out in which the age categories of citizens are determined.
                    Too lazy to search. then:
                    Article 53. Stock composition
                    1. Citizens in stock are divided into three categories:

                    Stock Compositions (military ranks)
                    Age of citizens in stock
                    First rank
                    Second rank
                    Third rank
                    Soldiers, sailors, sergeants, foremen, ensigns and warrant officers
                    to 35 years
                    to 45 years
                    to 50 years
                    Junior officers
                    to 50 years
                    to 55 years
                    to 60 years
                    Majors, captains of the 3rd rank, lieutenant colonels, captains of the 2nd rank
                    to 55 years
                    to 60 years
                    to 65 years
                    Colonels, captains of rank 1
                    to 60 years
                    to 65 years
                    Senior officers
                    to 65 years
                    to 70 years
                    1. 0
                      2 October 2022 16: 23
                      So what? Where, show me, in the Decree is the phrase "to call on reserve citizens such-and-such a category"?
                      Everything you wrote is speculation, not supported by any of the published regulatory documents.
                    2. 0
                      2 October 2022 16: 26
                      And by the way, I asked you a question in the previous message. Will there be an answer or do you prefer not to notice uncomfortable questions?
              2. -4
                29 September 2022 23: 30
                And the Ministry of Defense is endowed with such powers

                too lazy to search
                22.09.2022 - 20:30
                Abstracts of the speech on the partial mobilization of the representative of the Main Organizational and Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, Rear Admiral Vladimir Tsimlyansky

                And here you can read more: https://z.mil.ru/spec_mil_oper/brief/partial_mobilization/more.htm?id=12439584@egNews
                1. +6
                  29 September 2022 23: 47
                  Want some advice?
                  Review this talk in two or three months. I’m just sure that you will be stunned by the difference voiced by the respected Rear Admiral and the realities.
                  And the respected Rear Admiral will not bear any responsibility for these inconsistencies and will not report to anyone for this. Bet?
              3. -5
                29 September 2022 23: 54
                Yes, in general, statements from the blue screen do not have the force of a legislative act in and of themselves.

                Like yes, but still. Who is the customer of any mobilization? Ministry of Defense. Who needs the Ministry of Defense now? And here on the comb, but there is no money for everyone. According to the decree, it is necessary to suspend labor activity. But the military registration and enlistment offices will collect a million in a week
                1. +4
                  30 September 2022 00: 38
                  Who is the customer of any mobilization? Ministry of Defense.

                  Not at all. The customer of any mobilization is the state. The Ministry of Defense is just one of its executive bodies.
                  According to the law, the Ministry of Defense is not entitled to call up absolutely any citizen of his own free will, for which not only his representatives are involved in the call - look at the composition of the draft commissions under the law "On military duty and military service." During the conscription, the federal executive authorities (Federal executive authorities), both at the federal level and in each subject, are obliged to control the conscription of specifically those categories of persons liable for military service that meet the declared conscription policy - by age, by profession, by specialties in short supply, etc. And the representative of the Ministry of Defense here does not act at all in the role of an omnipotent peremptory recipient, but rather, as a petitioner, who is allocated the entire available human resource as much as possible, but in such a way as to prevent the stoppage of the activities of public institutions vital for a particular subject. And in order for the draft commissions, which are interdepartmental in composition, to have a clear understanding of the criteria for selecting recruits, these criteria must be lowered "from above" by the interdepartmental body of executive power. To be more precise, let's not prevaricate, this very executive power is the head. Who is this in our state? The question, I think, is rhetorical.
                  In his decree, the head of the executive branch of the Russian Federation did not specify or restrict anything, and did not transfer his powers in this matter to anyone. This means that any opinion of representatives of the Ministry of Defense is the subjective opinion of officials of one of the executive authorities, which may well come into conflict with the opinion of officials of other executive authorities. For example, the FSB, FSO, FSIN, which have nothing to stop them from issuing their own orders even today, which of their employees is subject to partial mobilization and who is not ... And who, and, most importantly, on what basis, will challenge the validity of these orders ? smile
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 01: 44
                    Not enough lawyers. And they said, in vain people study for this ....
                  2. ada
                    0
                    30 September 2022 02: 20
                    Quote: Bogalex
                    ... For example, the FSB, the FSO, the Federal Penitentiary Service, which nothing prevents them from issuing their own orders even today, which of their employees is subject to partial mobilization and who is not ... And who, and, most importantly, on the basis of what, eligibility challenge these orders?

                    Very interesting. Could you explain which process you mean? The call consisting on the special military account or on the general?
            2. +1
              29 September 2022 23: 08
              Laws are not as important as their explanations.

              belay
              Deuce to you without looking at jurisprudence.
              1. -3
                30 September 2022 00: 09
                Quote: Deuce to you without looking at jurisprudence.
                Deuce to you without looking at jurisprudence.

                Well, so we are programmers, where are we to lawyers. But even we know that a presidential decree is not a law. The law begins with "FZ", adopted by both chambers.
                So what. It is not known which of us is a double wink
                1. +2
                  30 September 2022 00: 46
                  Does your fiery speech somehow cancel one of the fundamental rules of lawmaking, which provide for consistency and the absence of the possibility of a double interpretation of the articles of both the Basic Law of the country and all the by-laws regulated by it?
                  1. +1
                    30 September 2022 00: 51
                    Quote: Bogalex
                    Your fiery speech somehow cancels one of the fundamental rules

                    Alexei. I am a computer programmer. I argue, if only so be, but everything is in a cycle and the exit is conditional. And here you poke me with terms. It's too hard for me
                    1. +1
                      30 September 2022 00: 56
                      Sorry, I'm not out of spite request Yes, it's a burning topic...
                      1. +2
                        30 September 2022 01: 04
                        Quote: Bogalex
                        Sorry, I'm not out of malice request It's a burning topic...

                        drinks I would begin to crucify myself in front of an evil person like that. And so. Much of the Soviet was not taken, and the American was ignored
                      2. +1
                        30 September 2022 01: 18
                        drinks There is such a thing, you can not argue.
                        Well, maybe current events will change something? Don't know...
        3. +4
          29 September 2022 22: 29
          preferably, combat experience does not qualify, since after the second Chechen they are 40+
          In general, everything is blurry, what is in the decree, what is now. Since in the reserve and those who did not serve at all.
          1. +3
            29 September 2022 22: 42
            Quote: SARMAT123
            In general, everything is blurry, what is in the decree, what is now.

            Today a neighbor was raked. I went for a ride on the bus, and they let me go home. And finally, what is combat experience? I have excellent marks on the border of the USSR with the bourgeois for 250 combat duties, it doesn’t count below. Do I have real combat experience? So yes. But here's the chagrin, where does the rocket fly out of the AK? Not well, according to the KMB they gave 8 rounds, shot and what. Not well, I can wear a machine gun on my shoulder. You drive the Yankee month across the sky, you are on guard for a month. And then they taught us to shoot only with missiles, but at NATO aviation
            1. +1
              30 September 2022 01: 01
              This is something else.
              But there is a sea of ​​​​reserved employees of the rear, for example, departments in ranks from captain to lieutenant colonel, who, having rolled up for a couple of days somewhere in Tartus with checking the correctness of filling out invoices, received both medals for participation and the status of combat veterans . I wonder how many of these agendas are now being examined? winked
            2. 0
              30 September 2022 05: 39
              Were there maneuvers in your service (winter and summer)?
              Did they teach you what to do if the materiel is destroyed and you find yourself surrounded (option - under assault)?
              Were you promoted to a command position in place of an officer brought out by an intermediary?
              This is what needs to be put into practice. We were taught: a sergeant is alive - a company is alive, an officer is alive - a regiment is alive.
          2. -2
            30 September 2022 03: 46
            Quote: SARMAT123
            after the second Chechen 40+


            Georgia 2008, the war in Syria + those who for some reason left the army for civilian life.
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        5. +1
          29 September 2022 23: 00
          Quote: Tusv
          Up to 35 years old. VUS: motorized riflemen, artillerymen, landing troops, marines. Combat experience preferred. And who is being buried?
          Where is that written?
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 23: 04
            In the explanations of the Ministry of Defense. The presidential decree speaks of partial, not universal. Do you see the difference? Well, the members of the forum indicated that the military registration and enlistment offices did not notice the difference
            1. 0
              30 September 2022 20: 42
              Quote: Tusv
              In the explanations of the Ministry of Defense.
              No links?
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      2. -14
        29 September 2022 22: 25
        How is it “in our opinion”, first issue a maximally non-specific decree
        You mean in Ukrainian?
        1. +4
          29 September 2022 22: 29
          Is Putin Ukrainian? Although I think that they are not better in this regard.
          1. -13
            29 September 2022 22: 34
            Is Putin Ukrainian?
            How witty you are.
            Just don’t be so zealous, otherwise the bloomers will burst.
      3. +1
        30 September 2022 00: 04
        ...
        I'm not guilty! He himself came.
      4. +1
        30 September 2022 01: 09
        As always! The tops can, the bottoms don't want
    3. +2
      29 September 2022 23: 08
      The most important thing was again threatened with his finger. Again, they didn’t touch anyone. Here is real "tolerance." Eh ........ (censorship), damn it.
    4. +1
      30 September 2022 01: 06
      Not surprising! It’s just that we are for them (we’ll write who ourselves!).
    5. -1
      30 September 2022 08: 17
      Daddy finally reached the addressee.
  2. +19
    29 September 2022 21: 22
    Henceforth? That is, in the future we will see more failed operations that require mobilization?
    1. +7
      29 September 2022 21: 30
      There will be mobilizations, this is understandable. To complete the operation with Ukraine and control other emerging hot spots along the border - Transnistria, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kaliningrad, Kuriles, at least 700 thousand more bayonets are needed. This is just the beginning.
      1. +9
        29 September 2022 21: 38
        Well, this is not mobilization that is needed, but simply the enlargement and strengthening of the army.
        True, what to feed her and who will work in the country at the same time in order to equip her, is not entirely clear.
      2. -1
        30 September 2022 05: 48
        More is needed, the main thing is to train and equip everyone with modern weapons, and there are problems with this.
        It is necessary to take part of the production to the still potentially allied Iran, covering this country with our S-300/400s. Since we cannot deploy the ruined production in the northern and non-rubber capitals.
        There are working hands there, and what we produce will be useful to them.
    2. -6
      29 September 2022 21: 30
      Quote: Comrade Y
      That is, in the future we will see more failed special operations that require mobilization?
      We'll see...
      Failed, not failed, but unsuccessful for us and successful for the enemy for sure.
      In war, not everything is decided by force.
      Even Zhukov had not only victories, but also defeats, but the final result is important.
      And victory will be ours!
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    2. -1
      29 September 2022 21: 58
      If there is no Usov son or the like in the platoon, why do you hate the platoon so much?
  4. +8
    29 September 2022 21: 25
    Damn, well, these questions can be solved even without the supreme, whether there are few deputies, in the structure of the military registration and enlistment offices alone there are so many people in the rank from captains to colonels. Or there they are like wedding generals, and some Agrippina Gavrilovna who sits there at three rates fills the agenda
    1. NKT
      +9
      29 September 2022 21: 28
      The President again reminds them to call with experience and with the necessary VUS, but the military commissars do not care, they have a plan.
      1. -1
        30 September 2022 04: 36
        Quote: NKT
        The President again reminds them to call with experience and with the necessary VUS, but the military commissars do not care, they have a plan.

        The military commissar is not obliged to watch the zomboyaschik.
    2. +2
      29 September 2022 21: 58
      Even now, it is not being resolved as it is more an attempt to weaken protest moods, until the text of the decree on partial mobilization changes or there are some additional decrees, the military commissars will row everyone in a row, fulfilling the plan according to the lowered figures.
  5. +19
    29 September 2022 21: 25
    Has the beloved Defense Ministry again shown some kind of inefficiency, so much so that the president had to speak?
    Marvelous. This has never happened before and here it is...
  6. +6
    29 September 2022 21: 26
    Oh, finally, infa reached the Supreme Commander. You look like that and the truth about the "relocation from under Izyum" will find out someday. Though slowly, the problems are being solved.
  7. +13
    29 September 2022 21: 28
    But nothing that every error has a full name? Or the performers "21" contracted only at the mention of the name of the GDP. As it was in the statute:
    If necessary, to verify the correct understanding of the order given to them, the commander (chief) may require a repeat thereof, and a soldier who has received an order may contact the commander (chief) with a request to repeat it.
    1. Hey
      +9
      29 September 2022 22: 38
      each error has a full name

      This error has the full name of the GDP, which signed this Decree that was not properly prepared. Those who prepared it had to paint everything thoroughly, no matter what step to the left or to the right.
      Moreover, they would have threatened in the Decree, for deviating from it.
      And there would be no need for these speeches of his now.
    2. +3
      29 September 2022 22: 57
      And all because the Federal Law of February 26.02.1997, 31 N 14.07.2022-FZ (as amended on July XNUMX, XNUMX) "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation" was not implemented
  8. 0
    29 September 2022 21: 29
    This is what the military registration and enlistment offices have been doing. For almost forty years, I have only visited them three times. And have I always been the only visitor? Maybe we really need to change personnel military commissars, to officers who have passed the military commissariat and are objectionable to military service, or they do not fit in. We must repeat our post-war experience .And so they set it up so they set it up and continue on, a misunderstanding with civil aviation pilots.
    1. NKT
      +7
      29 September 2022 21: 49
      Particularly striking is the fact that there is no single mobilization base. "Advanced" military registration and enlistment offices maintain a database in Excel.
      What the organizational and mobilization department of the General Staff was doing all this time is unknown.
      1. +3
        29 September 2022 21: 55
        I don’t know such subtleties, but it looks like an order to
        mobilization measures turned out to be like a snowball on their heads for them. They sat in a relaxed state, and then for partial mobilization.
      2. -1
        29 September 2022 21: 56
        well, not so much. actively used FoxPro in the early 2000s
      3. -4
        29 September 2022 22: 19
        Quote: NKT
        What the organizational and mobilization department of the General Staff was doing all this time is unknown.

        So, the military registration and enlistment offices, to whom were they transferred? Civil. And who are they? civilian
      4. +3
        29 September 2022 23: 05
        Quote: NKT
        Particularly striking is the fact that there is no single mobilization base. "Advanced" military registration and enlistment offices maintain a database in Excel.
        Eights will find out - they will go to trample the zone. There - the data is stamped, their processing requires the implementation of instructions, the implementation of which is prohibitively expensive for the system of military registration and enlistment offices and most often unrealizable (a guarded perimeter in the city that meets the requirements of countering technical means, for example).
  9. +8
    29 September 2022 21: 29
    Let's all go. Either we, or this dirt, there is no other way. Question one: when the full-scale bombing of Nazi non-humans
    will be, according to their centers, and everything that moves there opposite us !!!???
    1. +6
      29 September 2022 21: 34
      Taki, yes.
      But this absolutely does not mean that you need to show indulgence towards unprofessional dolboyaschers who create game.
      Rather the opposite.
  10. +5
    29 September 2022 21: 32
    According to the Russian president, mistakes are made during partial mobilization, after which the population receives many questions about this. All errors must be corrected and prevented in the future.

    And I will say this: excessive enthusiasm for parades and ostentatious events, as well as functions unusual for the army, can adversely affect its mobilization readiness and combat readiness of the RF Armed Forces as a whole ... Yes
    1. +5
      29 September 2022 22: 12
      Mobilization continues. They are looking for the necessary specialties, or should be looking. But the service life remains one year. Shouldn't the service life of conscripts be extended and train them (start now) in these necessary specialties? Really cook. Then there will be no need for mobilization. Well, start producing equipment (purchase if we can’t do something). Necessary, good and in the required quantity. Not for parades.
      1. +4
        29 September 2022 23: 37
        But the service life remains one year. Shouldn't the term of service of conscripts be extended and train them (start now) in these necessary specialties? Really cook.
        It is high time. And then there seems to be an army, but it seems like it doesn’t exist.
        1. -5
          30 September 2022 06: 13
          Military service should be compulsory for all boys immediately after school and the age of 18.
          Call to hold once a year in the fall for 1,5 years.
          The first six months is a real study;
          The second six months is the summer period of service.
          The third six months - the winter period of service and demobilization before the summer. Those who have served - enrollment in a university on the budget (according to an internal competition), the rest - for money. Admission to military schools - only after the deadline + recommendation based on the results of the service. Civil service for men - only for those who have served.
          You should call only in the Airborne Forces and only those who are fit for health.
          All other troops are only a professional contract after military service and training in a military specialty.
          This will encourage parents to raise healthy athletic children and discipline our government.
      2. +5
        30 September 2022 00: 30
        Long service only makes sense when there are resources for training and when recruits are trained by competent officers. And there seem to be a lot of systemic issues that need to be addressed.

        Words are cheap, but real progress is hard to come by.
      3. ada
        0
        30 September 2022 02: 48
        Quote: victor50
        ... Shouldn't the term of service of conscripts be extended and train them (start now) in these necessary specialties? Really cook. Then there will be no need for mobilization. ...

        The call (the event itself) in the entire volume of mobilization activities is of negligible importance (roughly - approximately 1%), but, it is one of the priority and most intense at the beginning, the necessary measures that ensure the deployment and increase in the number of the Armed Forces, etc.
        The timing is already clear, but this will not replace the need for mobilization in the Armed Forces, since it is impossible for our country to constantly maintain the wartime Armed Forces.
  11. +3
    29 September 2022 21: 33
    ...adding that the Prosecutor General's Office must respond immediately...

    I wonder what it will actually look like
    1. +6
      29 September 2022 22: 11
      Quote from Gorygor
      ...adding that the Prosecutor General's Office must respond immediately...

      I wonder what it will actually look like

      Elementary. All bodies of military administration, authorities of subjects and local self-government and draft commissions are supervised by territorial or military prosecutors. A prosecutor's check is being carried out and response measures are being applied. Why not a single military prosecutor reached the problematic places of assembly and training is a mystery to me. The military prosecutors I knew would spend the night there.
      1. ada
        0
        30 September 2022 03: 06
        Quite right, but usually they don’t manage to deal with conscripts until the end of the company and sometimes they actually paralyze the work of the department. Sooo slow and boring guys with tons of paper, the fact is not for mobilization. If they are sent to work with the mob commission, then at the same time let the legal advisers be strengthened on the most difficult issues and think quickly, quickly.
  12. +4
    29 September 2022 21: 38
    Mistakes made during partial mobilization must be corrected and prevented from happening again - Putin
    . Somehow it turns out that any undertaking, you can start by correcting mistakes, from the very beginning!
    It's not very pleasant to realize this ....
    1. +5
      29 September 2022 22: 13
      Quote: rocket757
      Mistakes made during partial mobilization must be corrected and prevented from happening again - Putin
      . Somehow it turns out that any undertaking, you can start by correcting mistakes, from the very beginning!
      It's not very pleasant to realize this ....

      So professionalism has long been in demand in the country.
  13. +5
    29 September 2022 21: 42
    Again, by persuasion, he wants to achieve the fulfillment of decrees. It’s good that the majority of people through social networks is at least somehow trying to point out mistakes, not only in terms of mobilization.

    "A big step forward is usually the result of a good kick in the ass."
    1. -3
      29 September 2022 22: 14
      Quote: v1tz
      Again, by persuasion, he wants to achieve the fulfillment of decrees. It’s good that the majority of people through social networks is at least somehow trying to point out mistakes, not only in terms of mobilization.

      "A big step forward is usually the result of a good kick in the ass."

      These are not persuasions. Based on the results of such speeches, the Control Department of the Presidential Administration draws up control cards with instructions. The MO will have to report to the AP by a certain date on the elimination of deficiencies.
  14. +8
    29 September 2022 21: 43
    Somehow it is hard to believe in the total stupidity of military registration and enlistment offices throughout the country. Much more real seems to be the version of the skewed instructions (without clear criteria and / or with vague wording) sent to the military registration and enlistment offices from above.
    1. +3
      29 September 2022 22: 28
      Omgf .. What do you think, how many cards are in the average military registration and enlistment office, how many people does it "lead"?
      As soon as someone's handles appear in the process of adjusting the data, YOU HAVE A MISTAKE. Sooner or later she will. And the question is not when it will be, but how to catch and fix it. Judging by what I saw in the military registration and enlistment office, there is no reconciliation-summary as such.
      This time. And secondly, the principle "there will be no war anyway." And thirdly, the knowledge that all my jambs will open when I retire.
  15. +12
    29 September 2022 21: 44
    As it turns out, there is no such thing as "partial mobilization" in the laws...
    There is either a general mobilization, or it is not.
    For mistakes in planning the war, someone is going to clear the snow in Siberia. And the whole...
    In general, someone plans to answer for their decisions, however? ..
    Advise reservists to buy sleeping bags, helmets, armor, a pharmacy, and boots at their own expense. Grab - take it with you!
    Are the people completely mad? request
    1. NKT
      +1
      29 September 2022 21: 54
      As it turns out, there is no such concept in the laws as "partial mobilization" ... There is either general mobilization, or it is not.

      There is no concept of general mobilization

      "A set of measures taken during the announcement general or partial mobilization in the Russian Federation, is determined in accordance with this Federal Law, regulatory legal acts of the President of the Russian Federation, the Government of the Russian Federation and other regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation.";

      Federal Law of July 14 2022 336-FZ
      http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202207140113?index=0&rangeSize=1
      1. Alf
        +5
        29 September 2022 22: 29
        Quote: NKT
        Federal Law of July 14 2022 336-FZ

        Pay attention to the date. They fussed and accepted something incomprehensible. Partial pregnancy turned out.
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        2. ada
          0
          30 September 2022 03: 46
          Read the law, with regard to mobilization, it only defines changes and additions to the legal regime for state officials. He does not change anything in the process of events. They are based on other documents.
    2. Alf
      +3
      29 September 2022 22: 28
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      Advise reservists to buy sleeping bags, helmets, armor, a pharmacy, and boots at their own expense.

      An indecent question (not to you) - but where is the mob reserve for such a case? "Optimized" ?
      1. ada
        +2
        30 September 2022 04: 05
        Quote: Alf
        ... but where is the mob reserve for such a case? "Optimized" ?

        Of course, I'm wildly sorry, but I don't quite understand how you can not notice that the whole country has been "optimized" for capitalism since the 90s.
        Of course, there are reserves of state storage - the Federal Agency for State Reserves (Rosrezerv). This is what you are talking about in general for the country. And for mobilization in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, military reserves are created and they depend on the volume of additional staffing of existing and staffing of additionally deployed HF in the INITIAL period of military events. Next come the reserves of the state and the products of the country's economic complex, transferred to work according to wartime plans.
        1. Alf
          +2
          30 September 2022 19: 25
          Quote: ada
          Of course, I'm wildly sorry, but I don't quite understand how you can not notice that the whole country has been "optimized" for capitalism since the 90s.

          Herr Oberleutnant! What you wrote about, I have known for a long time. It's just that I feel Spanish shame when I hear that a recruit must equip himself at his own expense. The authorities proposed to equip those mobilized at the expense of the regions, which, for the most part, do not make ends meet themselves. Isn't the government ashamed? Although, what am I talking about? Shame does not eat eyes ...
          1. ada
            0
            30 September 2022 19: 42
            Quote: Alf
            ... The authorities proposed to equip those mobilized at the expense of the regions, which, for the most part, do not make ends meet themselves. ...

            Frankly speaking, I do not have the data, I can not explain anything on the issue. The only thing I can assume is that they do not touch the main stock. request
            1. Alf
              +1
              30 September 2022 20: 14
              Quote: ada
              do not touch the main stock.

              The only question is, is there one?
              1. ada
                0
                30 September 2022 20: 38
                Yes sir! Tov. colonel general, soldier disgusting teeth grind wassat Pay attention to where the dressing up in the military f / o and equipment with items of pe (they show on the box) and where, in theory, should take place. Conclusion, I think you know.
                1. Alf
                  +2
                  30 September 2022 20: 46
                  Quote: ada
                  Yes sir! Tov. colonel general, soldier disgusting teeth grind wassat Pay attention to where the dressing up in the military f / o and equipment with items of pe (they show on the box) and where, in theory, should take place. Conclusion, I think you know.

                  So 80 years ago, everyone, through whose fault the soldiers were unshod, undressed, would already be hugging the wall, but now they are only shrugging their hands from the screen.
                  1. ada
                    0
                    30 September 2022 21: 00
                    I agree, but this should have been done earlier.
                    1. Alf
                      +1
                      30 September 2022 21: 26
                      Quote: ada
                      I agree, but this should have been done earlier.

                      And before we had everything that had no analogues. True, it suddenly became clear that there were not even soldiers' shorts in the right amount ...
                      1. ada
                        0
                        30 September 2022 21: 36
                        Well, I don’t know, all of us are dressed, equipped, weapons have been handed over, we have begun preparations.
    3. +6
      29 September 2022 23: 10
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      There is either a general mobilization, or it is not.
      It requires first introducing martial law, and this is force majeure, the interests of "respectable" people will suffer from it. Because of this, we introduced leftist self-isolation, and not quarantine, as expected. And again, by the way, "everyone has a drink at the expense of the institution" - I'm talking about salaries for those mobilized at the expense of the employer. Why doesn't MO pay this money?
      1. ada
        0
        30 September 2022 03: 33
        Quote: bk0010
        Quote: Petrol cutter
        There is either a general mobilization, or it is not.
        It requires first introducing martial law, ...

        No, not required.
    4. ada
      0
      30 September 2022 03: 23
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      As it turns out, there is no such thing as "partial mobilization" in the laws...
      There is either a general mobilization, or it is not. ...

      Of course there is. There is no general mobilization, the term is outdated, there is a general mobilization. The general one may differ from the partial one only in the reduced volume and adjusted composition of the mob task and sometimes in the territories, and sometimes it may not differ from the planned task in the given territory in which it is declared.
  16. +14
    29 September 2022 21: 45
    The most incredible thing is that information is coming from everywhere that the "recruits" are traveling with their berets, ... thermal underwear, first-aid kits, etc. ... And this, after all, is only 1,1% of the "mobilization potential" when mobilized! And if they called for 10% ... or 20%?! What would happen then?! Maybe we will soon buy cartridges for our own money?! Do we still have an ARMY or a "people's militia of 1941"?! How can this be explained except as "sabotage on the ground"! Who will answer for this?! Or again, as always, "we have no one to blame"?!!!
  17. +9
    29 September 2022 21: 56
    There are no extremes. When there was power, everyone was responsible for their work. And this is the market-station. Do not dig deep, you may stumble upon yourself. There is a smell of big fat money that is not in Russia.
    1. Alf
      0
      29 September 2022 22: 30
      Quote: zenion
      Do not dig deep, you may stumble upon yourself.

      As the Prosecutor General once said, the main thing in the search process is not to find yourself.
  18. +2
    29 September 2022 22: 11
    Quote: Petrol cutter
    As it turns out, there is no such thing as "partial mobilization" in the laws...
    There is either a general mobilization, or it is not.
    For mistakes in planning the war, someone is going to clear the snow in Siberia. And the whole...
    In general, someone plans to answer for their decisions, however? ..
    Advise reservists to buy sleeping bags, helmets, armor, a pharmacy, and boots at their own expense. Grab - take it with you!
    Are the people completely mad? request

    Moreover, first-aid kits, and helmets, and boots immediately rose in price. Really, in seven months it was impossible to establish supplies? When will the "Chinese" laws on corruption be adopted, so that bureaucrats begin to move their asses.?
    1. Alf
      +8
      29 September 2022 22: 31
      Quote: Arbeiternegast
      When will the "Chinese" laws on corruption be adopted, so that bureaucrats begin to move their asses.?

      Who will take it? Will the left hand fight with the right?
  19. -5
    29 September 2022 22: 12
    It is necessary to correct the mistakes made in the planning of the SVO.
  20. -3
    29 September 2022 22: 14
    Quote: senima56
    The most incredible thing is that information is coming from everywhere that the "recruits" are traveling with their berets, ... thermal underwear, first-aid kits, etc. ... And this, after all, is only 1,1% of the "mobilization potential" when mobilized! And if they called for 10% ... or 20%?! What would happen then?! Maybe we will soon buy cartridges for our own money?! Do we still have an ARMY or a "people's militia of 1941"?! How can this be explained except as "sabotage on the ground"! Who will answer for this?! Or again, as always, "we have no one to blame"?!!!

    Yeah. Soon, having received a summons, at such a pace, it will be possible to go to the Hunter store for a shotgun, since a rifled one is expensive.
  21. -6
    29 September 2022 22: 16
    The prisoners must be fed. What for? Take prisoner?
    1. Alf
      +3
      29 September 2022 22: 32
      Quote: angara200
      The prisoners must be fed. What for? Take prisoner?

      Where are the prisoners from? No war has been declared.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 05: 51
        That's what I don't understand.) There is no war, but there are prisoners.
  22. -1
    29 September 2022 22: 36
    I read all the comments - unfortunately, none of them refers to the root cause. All comment only on the consequences.
  23. +9
    29 September 2022 22: 46
    Quote: bandabas
    Woke up. Now the question is, what is the difference between an Olympian type skater and an amateur type skater? During mobilization. Nothing. Just normal men will not excuse themselves. And a bunch of cowards toadies - eternal pozo.r

    Normal men are just eager to die instead of the children of ministers and governors. chief physicians and rectors of universities and other rich people. So that the command would continue to engage in incomprehensible games and wage an endless positional war instead of effective actions.
  24. -1
    29 September 2022 22: 53
    These are not mistakes. This is either (criminal) negligence or malice. How was the system destroyed? Who appointed these military commissars? How do local self-government, provincial and republican authorities participate? Not just because Hodges predicts the collapse, the CIA knows Russia very well.
  25. +8
    29 September 2022 22: 57
    The king is good, the boyars are not very wassat what can I say, everything is as old as this world
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  27. +4
    29 September 2022 23: 10
    All errors must be corrected and prevented in the future.

    But what will happen?
  28. +5
    29 September 2022 23: 12
    And imagine if he turns on the phone, the Internet and the TV.
    1. +1
      30 September 2022 08: 28
      HE will go crazy right away, HE has not yet seen a sleeping joe ....wassat
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  30. +1
    29 September 2022 23: 25
    "In order to remove the thesis, which is extremely popular in Ukraine and in the West, and after the Kharkiv region, is not without foundation -" Ukraine wins ", Russia needs a victory.
    An unequivocal victory in some significant city, with a devastating score. This is mathematics.
    In the media field of the Russian Federation, it will not be able to win - it seems that the information component there is given to people who directed the blue lights of 1973 or are simply out of touch with reality, old people living in their own world.
    All that remains is victory on the battlefield. Kyiv's counter-offensive is a matter of two weeks maximum, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot wait for the arrival of all the mobilized.
    So Moscow needs to be scrapped, something like Ilovaisk. And as soon as possible.
    Do the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces understand this? We'll see soon.
    Based on my information, not much. But in general it seems to me that someone very close to the main Person is working hard and not without success to destroy everything.
    At the very least, failures on the information front, including the latest with mobilization, clearly demonstrate either the complete incompetence of managers in this area, or deliberate sabotage.
    Anatoly Shary
    In my opinion, you can't say it better. By the way, he reports in his cart about the next "exchange", remarking with malice that we will learn about this from Ukrainian sources. Well, a lot of interesting things...
  31. -6
    30 September 2022 00: 02
    What the president said is very reasonable.
  32. +4
    30 September 2022 00: 26
    Why correct mistakes? Put the sick mobilized in the hospital for examination and treatment and pay them all the time maintenance. No one will object to such a call. On the contrary, they will skip ahead.
    .
    But seriously, such facts for me indicate that the military commissars of these regions exempted too many thieves from conscription and they have no one to plug holes and ensure the implementation of the conscription plan. Like quartermasters according to Suvorov, such people can be hanged without trial or investigation.
  33. -2
    30 September 2022 01: 10
    Should we expect the appearance of especially gifted military commissars in the trenches on the front line?
  34. kig
    +2
    30 September 2022 02: 10
    This "do not allow in the future" is somehow alarming winked
  35. +1
    30 September 2022 04: 37
    And why does Putin carry out partial mobilization, because Russia has an army of more than a million?
    Here the answer is obtained directly according to Nekrasov
    - “The family is big, but two people
    There are only peasants: my father and I ... "

    What in tokenization means that the army is really big, but only there are almost 500 thousand conscripts in it, which you can’t use in hostilities, and now there is a need to call on those who can be used in the war in Ukraine.

    Does anyone seriously think that Putin and those professional military men who now hold the front in the Donbass will be happy if 500 thousand conscripts are added as a result of mobilization, in which there are a lot of incapacitated reservists?
    And this will inevitably happen if you do not start correcting mistakes during mobilization.

    One thing is clear for sure that the army of conscripts in the modern world is not effective and will inevitably become a thing of the past, giving way to a fully professional contract army.
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  37. +1
    30 September 2022 05: 46
    Here I thought. Someone promised to deliver free grain to those in need? And what will our fighters eat? Pensioners? Just impoverished people? Does the country not need a strategic supply of bread? Not oil and gas "national property" - bread.
  38. 0
    30 September 2022 08: 04
    The mistakes made at the beginning of the NWO must be corrected and prevented from happening in the future - Putin?
  39. +2
    30 September 2022 09: 29
    The MoD assures that there will be no second and subsequent wave of mobilization.
    There is no faith at all.
    When you have to take cities and start offensive operations, losses will pour in a stream, from whom to replenish units?
    That's right - mobile replenishment will be thrown. And they should be taken from the citizen.
  40. +2
    30 September 2022 11: 34
    The main mistake is He himself .... "How stupid you are, my friend," I will say in the words of a classic ... I understand that it's soft .... but I'm already tired of my antics ... Name at least one direction in which He is competent . Although there is a suspicion that all
    the antics are conscious and pursue certain goals or are done at the direction of the outside. But that's another topic
  41. 0
    1 October 2022 19: 03
    Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
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    The ideology is simple: Justice and the interests of the state are above all.

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