“Battalions should not rush from corner to corner”: Lieutenant General Gurulev criticized the use of BTG on a wide front

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“Battalions should not rush from corner to corner”: Lieutenant General Gurulev criticized the use of BTG on a wide front

After the start of the special operation of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine, the BTG became the main tactical unit on the battlefield - a consolidated grouping consisting of separate units of a regiment or brigade. In many ways, their widespread use was due to an acute shortage of personnel, which forced the formation of at least minimally equipped units, which became the BTG - battalions reinforced with personnel and equipment.

Today we are fighting with what - battalion-tactical groups. This is the main mistake. We must fight in regiments, brigades, divisions, armies. Everyone must complete the task, and not collect units bit by bit. On a front of 100 km, one battalion rushes from corner to corner so as not to miss the enemy's breakthrough

- said Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev, sharply criticizing the organizational and staffing structure that had developed at the front.



In his words, partial mobilization will finally make it possible to fight with full-fledged units, and not with consolidated detachments. This position was actively supported by military commander Alexander Sladkov:

When there are more people in the ranks, then there are fewer losses.

As he noted, the replenishment of the army will allow the formation of reserves in all sectors of the theater of operations, and not regroup units. It is also necessary to achieve a normal rotation of personnel: three months at the front, three at home, three at the training ground and back into battle. This will allow the soldiers to relax, learn new weapon, brush up your skills.

War should be a job, not a duty

Sladkov explains.

Recall that earlier, many military experts expressed skepticism about the effectiveness of the BTG during hostilities on a front with a length of more than 1000 km.
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    1. +17
      29 September 2022 14: 57
      Now those who believe that "technology, not people" should fight. Etc. I’ll upset you right away, the robot Fedor is still unfit for military service
      1. +63
        29 September 2022 14: 59
        Who planned the operation without the necessary number of fighters? The generals screwed up, rake the soldier .. it took six months to scratch ... we normally react to the changing situation ... Obviously, politics was put at the forefront ..
        1. +15
          29 September 2022 15: 07
          I don’t think that the very concept of the operation was approved by the Ministry of Defense with the General Staff (in the sense of approving the concept, and not formally).
          Rather, it was the execution of a concept brought to the military "from above".
          But maybe I'm wrong.
          But I doubt very much that it was the military who decided to storm Kyiv with insignificant forces and that it was they who believed that everyone would run to meet them with flowers.
          Therefore, the claims are not only and not so much against the Moscow Region. At least in this matter.
          But MO is full of other questions. Yes, including why they did not defend their opinion about the lack of strength.
          1. +19
            29 September 2022 15: 09
            I agree with you 100% here. One thing is bad - there was no general who would say everything he thinks about this and refused to send troops under such conditions ...
            1. +19
              29 September 2022 15: 15
              But Girkin is not a general, that's why they merged him. What was he wrong about? Just did not come to the yard.
              1. +12
                29 September 2022 15: 23
                Quote: g_ae
                But Girkin is not a general, that's why they merged him. What was he wrong about? Just did not come to the yard.

                it’s not like it’s not to the court ..... he confused the political games around Ukraine .. he raised what it was too early or not necessary to raise at all .. according to the then watered games ... but it went the way it went .... top to bottom ... which of the authorities will like it?
                1. ada
                  +2
                  29 September 2022 18: 41
                  I will support you, with one exception, I would not attribute incredible opportunities to one person.
                  It has been known for about 30 years that the US-NATO used the factor of a local conflict in military planning as a determinant in this direction, and there is no doubt that the emerging stoppage was to a greater extent beneficial for them and made it possible to create an appropriate military-political situation in the region in the right moment and update the preparation of the bloc's coalition forces on the plan for the use and use of the NATO Allied Forces in Eastern Europe "Defender" and actively influence political leadership and public opinion around the world in order to attract supporters and build up pressure on us, which is obvious and does not require proof.
              2. -3
                29 September 2022 15: 32
                Quote: g_ae
                But Girkin is not a general, that's why they merged him. What was he wrong about? Just did not come to the yard.

                And I think very even to the yard. In my opinion, he withstands the right agenda, and he is kept in the deck just in case, he himself may not suspect that someone can use him. He influences public opinion and is one of the talking heads of the hydra that shouts "Mobilize 1 million! Generals to be court martialed..." etc. etc. I read and listen to it very carefully. I am sure that if things turn out to be rubbish, then our capitalists will put him in a serious position to put things in order with an iron fist. And some people will support it.
                1. +2
                  29 September 2022 16: 04
                  Quote: Alexej
                  he is kept in the deck just in case

                  Colonels FSB bully former does not exist.
                  1. +3
                    29 September 2022 16: 31
                    What am I talking about. Cons then stuck to me)
                  2. -1
                    29 September 2022 19: 06
                    And who was the expert on stilts who told you that Girkin was an FSB colonel, did he himself give him the title?
                    1. +1
                      29 September 2022 20: 22
                      Quote: Lionov
                      And who do you expert on stilts said that Girkin was an FSB colonel, did he give him the title himself?
                      Hold the pedal horse! Slippery sandal! So I ask without tantrums and resentment, goon moderators. We exchanged cute epithets laughing !
                      Russian FSB officer (1996-2013) According to Russian human rights activist Alexander Cherkasov, chairman of the board of the Memorial human rights center, Igor Strelkov served in the 2001th separate reconnaissance regiment of the Airborne Forces (now the 45th separate special-purpose guards brigade) in 45. in the vicinity of the village of Khattuni in the Vedensky district of Chechnya[29].
                      In 2013, he resigned from the FSB with the rank of colonel. In 1995, Girkin gained serious combat experience by going to the Chechen Republic. Returning from the war, in 1996 Igor joined the Federal Security Service as an operative officer, at the same time receiving the rank of lieutenant. In parallel with his work, he took courses at the FSB, after which he received a promotion, taking the position of deputy head of the department with the rank of senior lieutenant.
                      From 1999 to 2005, Girkin visited the Chechen and Dagestan republics to fight the gangster underground. By December 2005, Igor Ivanovich received the rank of colonel. For his contribution to the fight against terrorism, he was awarded the Order of Courage and the Suvorov medal.
                      In 2005, Igor Ivanovich was transferred to Moscow, where he worked in the FSB until 2013, when he was fired due to his seniority. Girkin's military service was 18,5 years. https://yandex.ru/turbo/24smi.org/s/celebrity/23568-igor-strelkov.html https://vk.com/igoristrelkov
                      bully
                2. +1
                  29 September 2022 23: 36
                  We ourselves made him a talking head and endowed him with incredible abilities - catching bullets with his hands and stepping on mines without consequences .....
              3. +17
                29 September 2022 15: 48
                Quote: g_ae
                But Girkin is not a general, that's why they merged him. What was he wrong about? Just did not come to the yard.

                Generals do not tolerate when majors or colonels are smarter than them, and even more so when they say smart things.
                Such majors and colonels, back in the days of the Second World War, more than one were summed up under execution and prison by such generals.
                There are a lot of examples.
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            3. +8
              29 September 2022 15: 54
              Quote: Smoker
              One thing is bad - there was no general who would say everything he thinks about this and refused to send troops under such conditions ...

              They don't keep them there. And the medal for "courage" is worth more than their stars, which nice people hung obedient. hi
            4. ada
              +2
              29 September 2022 19: 58
              Quote: Smoker
              I agree with you 100% here. One thing is bad - there was no general who would say everything he thinks about this and refused to send troops under such conditions ...

              There have always been enough speakers, usually those who do and perform are needed, and preferably for the benefit of the people, and not vice versa. Some even published letters, figures. But even here, not everything is simple, more than half of the information published by well-known individuals and organizations and government agencies does not have a complete structure of the true content of decisions and ongoing activities, these are limitations justified by experience.
              The entry of troops was inevitable and all parties were aware of this. For us, this is the only action that has a perspective for the state, which is used in the long-term strategy of the United States separately and the United States-NATO jointly, and the more complicated what is happening, the more difficult it is for the enemy to realize his plans. This is obvious, as well as the obvious dangers, costs and difficulties of what is being realized, which only the lazy did not speak about.
          2. +2
            29 September 2022 15: 27
            From the defense it was necessary to act. From the age of 14 it was possible to prepare impenetrable fortifications. Grind the Armed Forces of Ukraine (which know how to attack badly), prepare reserves and only then attack. Instead, with limited forces, they pounded their foreheads into fortified areas, stormed settlements, and rode in columns throughout Ukraine. Underestimation of the enemy and overestimation of their own capabilities is obvious.
            1. +1
              29 September 2022 16: 00
              Where were they supposed to build defense on the territory of Ukraine, how? Or are you talking about the APU? So they set up ... fortifications.
            2. -1
              29 September 2022 16: 28
              The Armed Forces of Ukraine were not going to attack strongly))))), when they are going to attack, they do not prepare several lines of defense in concrete for years, they do not stock up defensive weapons in droves (Javelins, Stingers, etc.), they do not organize the formation of units called "territorial defense", they do not create command and control posts for them in the basements of buildings, stocks of weapons, ammunition and equipment, in the basements of the largest enterprises by European standards they do not equip a fortified area for several thousand people, with annual supplies of everything that is needed to withstand the siege . they don’t organize communications there, the Internet, uninterrupted power supply .... All this is not being done for the offensive)))
              1. 0
                29 September 2022 16: 44
                So they would have to advance, not just because they pulled troops to the border. They would have to do something for which they were not prepared. Putin said at the beginning of the SVO that there was an option to stand next to the LDNR corps and support them, but there was a bright head who suggested this idea to him. But in the end, the worst option was chosen - to attack on a wide front.
                1. +6
                  29 September 2022 18: 04
                  Yes, there was no broad front at the very beginning. There were almost empty tracks where you could ride back and forth. All combat-ready VFU was pulled into a fist in the Donbass. No one on their part expected these promenades to Kyiv, Kharkov, etc.
                  It was only later that our MTO columns, which were going practically without cover, began to shoot. Then the pig breeder rebuilt the strategy and tactics, and we got this siege war, in which the armored personnel carriers could no longer cope.
                  But, in any case, it was necessary to react instantly and move on to regiments, divisions and armies, as this lieutenant general says.
                  1. ada
                    +1
                    29 September 2022 23: 39
                    Quite right. I support.
                    Quote from Alex
                    ... But, in any case, it was necessary to react instantly and move on to regiments, divisions and armies, as this lieutenant general says.

                    This is organizationally impossible in a short time and at the same time, for good, we need our own formation areas and BS and significant volumes of troop transportation.
              2. ada
                0
                29 September 2022 22: 17
                Quote from Cap
                The Armed Forces of Ukraine were not going to attack much ....

                The Armed Forces of Ukraine, other troops and formations (force structures provided for in wartime (VV)), government agencies and political organizations, all military and civilian infrastructure, the territory of Ukraine were fully included in the US-NATO military planning plans of the "Defender" type, etc. Accordingly and the management of all this was tied to the CDF of the member countries of the bloc through the commands of the allied forces of the bloc in Europe - in fact, to the USA.
                There are plenty of arrows and areas for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the maps of these plans, on the territory of the European part of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus even now. Illusions are unnecessary here, however, now the possibilities for the implementation of these plans for the US-NATO have been significantly curtailed, and the time for their full preparation has been lost or remained insufficient due to the NMD, the potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is insufficient, and the allies have become very indecisive. In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not achieve the task of drawing the RF Armed Forces into the depths of the theater of operations and the accumulation of large forces there, under NATO air strikes (or their threat), without which the rest of the planning is ineffective.
                Here it is appropriate to pay attention, especially to those who are indignant about "trips in columns" (without assessing the level of training of military personnel, etc. - a separate topic), to one explanatory fact regarding the identification of the use of plans of the "Defender" type - initially, reconnaissance and surveillance forces and means, communications and command and control, combat-ready and prepared by the Military Forces of the MFA, aviation and areas prepared for their operations were not only enough, but also super redundant, not only to completely destroy our troops on the march, but also to prevent our groups from breaking through the border and advancing into the depths of the territory from imposing border battles, partly on our territory. However, it is obvious that this did not happen precisely because of the withdrawal of troops into the depths of the territory and the attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to pull out those attacking themselves with further involvement in the situation of allies with prepared measures, including the VNO. For what reasons the situation did not develop, it is difficult to say exactly, perhaps some things were unexpected for NATO planners, which caused the negotiation process. But a fact is a fact. Factors could be important here: the BChS GrV (s) incomprehensible to them (clearly hinting at covering up their actions with more significant means and forces), the range, accuracy and result of the radio, electronic warfare, the speed of the advance of troops, the unexpectedness of the methods and direction of their actions, the area and location territories taken under control, the behavior of the population of the countries, the leadership of the Republic of Belarus, and the most interesting thing is the clear knowledge of the CDF of the Russian Federation of some plans and the compromise of confidential NATO documents.
          3. +10
            29 September 2022 15: 46
            And the Defense Ministry and the General Staff, having received an impossible task, why did they decide to carry it out?
            Why didn't they insist on the allocation of the necessary forces?
            1. +6
              29 September 2022 16: 16
              Quote: Cartalon
              And the Defense Ministry and the General Staff, having received an impossible task, why did they decide to carry it out?
              Why didn't they insist on the allocation of the necessary forces?

              Because those who don't lick the asses of their superiors quickly become ex-military. They kicked Strelkov out of the DPR, did not want to sit surrounded by his group, as they thought from above, but left the boiler with the troops.
              1. -6
                29 September 2022 19: 34
                Don’t write bullshit, your Girkin got kicked in the ass in 14, or rather I. Bezler arrested him for cowardice and cowardice and even wanted to shoot him, saved the great "commander" Girkin with his authority, persuading Bezler to his old friend A. Boroday , thanks to which the adventurer Girkin appeared in the Donbass, having fled there after the so-called "Simferopol incident", when the adventurer planted a huge pile of kakan not for anyone, but for the president of Russia. Borodai, who was then chairman of the government, personally escorted him to the border. You told us better tell how Girkin signed the order to surrender the entire Donbass agglomeration, for example, the same Gorlovka, which was defended by I. Bezler, who did not give a damn about the orders of the adventurer-reenactor Girkin. You tell us this expert on stilts.
            2. Alf
              +2
              29 September 2022 20: 16
              Quote: Cartalon
              Why didn't they insist on the allocation of the necessary forces?

              Shoulder straps are more expensive...
          4. +2
            29 September 2022 16: 06
            The main thing is that at the top they realize and come to terms with the fact that they screwed up with the original version of the SVO. And they completely rethought everything, recalculated and thought over everything from scratch. Any state in history has victories and defeats, the main thing is to come to your senses in time and correct mistakes, not being afraid to admit them. And go to victory with all resources, and not on the bumps. Someday the Kremlin will understand this. It's either you or you.
            1. +3
              29 September 2022 17: 30
              Only now I wonder how much blood it needs to be poured in order for this "someday" to happen.
          5. +3
            29 September 2022 16: 39
            Quote: Quote Lavrov
            Yes, including why they did not defend their opinion about the lack of strength.

            Well, down here it is clear why. There are no Zhukovs among them, the position is more expensive.
          6. +4
            29 September 2022 18: 34
            If the Minister of Defense and the head of the General Staff are men - they say "upstairs" - you let us down with crap that is impossible for us. Either change the task to a real and reasonable one, or we will resign, and we will not ruin the soldiers for nothing. But they didn't say so. They preferred to assent and cover themselves with the shame of the Kyiv and Balakliysko-Izyumksky drapes. With the throwing of serviceable equipment.
          7. +3
            29 September 2022 19: 51
            everyone will run to meet them with flowers
            "Flowers" have already set their teeth on edge.
            Moreover, no one from the Moscow Region and the political leadership has ever talked about flowers. Flowers are the fruit of the efforts of some bloggers.
            The bet was not on "flowers" and not on "oligarchs", but on the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
            It could well be that several brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could withdraw from the front and go to Kyiv, take power and radically change the political system of the country. It was the best option both for us and for Ukraine.
            In this case, Ukraine would retain its integrity (with the exception of Crimea and the LDNR) and sovereignty.
            But Ukraine blew this chance.

            I doubt that it was the military who decided to storm Kyiv with insignificant forces
            And you are doing it right. No one was going to storm Kyiv. See above.
            ---
            But MO is full of other questions. Yes, including why they did not defend their opinion about the lack of strength.
            The NVO began as a local war between Russia and Ukraine, we won this local war in the month of May - the Armed Forces of Ukraine had practically nothing to fight with.
            So the military with "insignificant forces" completed the task.

            Another thing is that the total supply of weapons from the West began. Those. the war began to turn from local to global, and the global war must already be carried out with a different number and by other means and for other purposes outside Ukraine.
            ---
            One war (local) - one means, another war (global) - other means.
            The military conflict has changed.
            1. ada
              -1
              29 September 2022 23: 14
              Quote: flicker
              ... One war (local) - one means, another war (global) - other means. ...

              Undoubtedly.
              Quote: flicker
              ... The military conflict has become different.

              Well, in my opinion, it is certainly changing, but for the global, namely the armed and regional level, it has not yet matured, but the potential has been laid for a long time and the acceleration of escalation is very likely and expected. Question - to what size and character?
          8. 0
            5 October 2022 16: 29
            because the MO at one time ruined a bunch of topics, as an example of BARS. When the idea was rushed for several years, and then in the end they somehow gave birth and killed, which led to the fact that the trained mobs that took part in the NWO were zero point, very few tenths. MO delays ANY adoption of ANY type of equipment or weapon. ..so the basic fault is precisely the Moscow Region, and not "oh bad Putin"
        2. +4
          29 September 2022 15: 07
          Whoever planned it will not be recognized. And no one will tell us, although everyone above knows. And no one will be punished, Stalin is gone now.
          1. -2
            29 September 2022 15: 14
            Quote: Million
            Whoever planned it will not be recognized. And no one will tell us, although everyone above knows. And no one will be punished, Stalin is gone now.

            What does Stalin have to do with it..? history teaches that it teaches nothing ... especially when you want to curry favor
            https://topwar.ru/116171-hruschev-svalil-vsyu-vinu-za-harkovskuyu-katastrofu-na-stalina.html
          2. -10
            29 September 2022 16: 02
            Stalin blew both 41 and 42 ... as a result, the Germans near Moscow, the Germans on the Volga and the Germans in the Caucasus ...
        3. -4
          29 September 2022 15: 08
          Quote: Smoker
          Who planned the operation without the necessary number of fighters?

          Legs grow from the ass in stripes - MO (defines the means), and GSH (defines how).
        4. -7
          29 September 2022 15: 12
          They planned to take the greenery on a show off, landing on Antonov is proof of this. And the green was not seduced well done
          1. +19
            29 September 2022 15: 37
            well done
            He was seduced - faded to Lviv. His owners did not fall for it.
            1. -1
              29 September 2022 18: 21
              It doesn’t matter who faded where, the result is important, or rather its absence for the Russian Federation
          2. -5
            29 September 2022 16: 08
            Quote: Clever man
            They planned to take the greenery on a show off, landing on Antonov is proof of this. And the green was not seduced well done

            The evidence immediately began to make peace .. A peace treaty was ready. That's why it's a goodwill gesture. withdrawal of military units from Kyiv ... What happened next. so this is the merit of pin wassat doStsev from the UWB and Britain under the leadership of the reptilians of the Soros and the Rothschilds ..
            1. -3
              29 September 2022 18: 22
              And again, all around, we alone are to blame
            2. ada
              +1
              29 September 2022 23: 02
              Quote: 30 vis
              ... under the leadership of the reptilians of the Soros and the Rothschilds ..

              For the "bluebloods" separate good
              1. 0
                30 September 2022 07: 56
                Quote: ada
                Quote: 30 vis
                ... under the leadership of the reptilians of the Soros and the Rothschilds ..

                For the "bluebloods" separate good

                In "blue-blooded" instead of blood, freon flows in the veins - (ammonia, propane, freons (mixtures of hydrocarbons)) with a specific smell of feces.
        5. -4
          29 September 2022 15: 38
          Quote: Smoker
          Who planned the operation without the necessary number of fighters? The generals screwed up, rake the soldier .. it took six months to scratch ...

          it was already ... we know what it cost.
        6. +1
          29 September 2022 16: 15
          Here is what Strelkov writes about the "planning", without indicating the place of what is happening: "The mobilized were dropped off the buses directly into the open field, there are no tents, no stoves. It is already snowing on the sides of the road, the temperature is clearly below zero. No one from the authorities is with them. They burn fires and "warm themselves" with improvised liquids).
          <>
          But this does not mean at all that those who so chic provide for the mobilized should not go to court for this and further to penal companies. If only because THEY SHOULD BE AMONG THOSE WHO THEY HAVE ENOUGH COMPETENCE TO LAND IN THE BARE FIELD (since they couldn’t provide anything for those called).
          P.S. OD "Novorossiya" and I personally right now are doing everything so that in the Detachment "Nevsky" this could not happen even theoretically. It will be necessary - I myself will go for the "sponsored" tents to set up and "potbelly stoves" to collect. And they definitely will!"
          I will add: tomorrow such unfortunate commanders will have “three hundredths” among the fighters due to colds and pneumonia - and this is before the start of hostilities. I would like to hope that the case is not typical at all.
        7. 0
          30 September 2022 10: 38
          Perhaps I agree - the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense introduced the wrong military doctrine when planning the NVO in Ukraine, therefore such faceless results - since May we cannot take Nikolaev and clear the Donetsk region.
        8. 0
          5 October 2022 17: 32
          The leading role of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is not visible, in my opinion, absolutely nowhere and in no way in this Strange Military Operation .... Although, purely organizational problems are through the roof. The troops taking part in the NVO, as is clear from the example of Izyum-Liman, do not have a single leadership, but are divided into several "commands": 1.- between the three Military Districts: Western, Southern, Central, Black Sea Fleet, headquarters of the VKS, Donetsk and Luhansk People's Militia...
          The generals screwed up, rake the soldier .. it took six months to scratch ... we normally react to the changing situation ... Obviously, politics was put at the forefront ..
          And also, as I understood from the recent attacks on General Lapin, the commander of the Central Military District, there is no clear control over the troops that are sent to the front from different military districts ...
      2. +6
        29 September 2022 15: 04
        Quote: Foundling
        Etc. I’ll upset you right away, the robot Fedor is still unfit for military service


        I want to upset you, but ordinary 50-year-old Ivan is also unsuitable for military service.
        1. -3
          29 September 2022 15: 09
          Yes, it's understandable! The scale of the "raised" fraud is impressive
        2. -13
          29 September 2022 15: 13
          He read Zhukov, he described in his book "Memoirs and Reflections" that the average age of the soldiers in the cavalry division where he came before the war for verification was 50-60 years.

          At the age of 50, it is quite possible to fight.
        3. +2
          29 September 2022 15: 39
          Quote: lopvlad
          I want to upset you, but ordinary 50-year-old Ivan is also unsuitable for military service.

          he made a familiar scandal in the military registration and enlistment office ... they kicked him out ... 59 years old, go home old!
      3. +2
        29 September 2022 15: 16
        A modern army must fight, armed with inexpensive, even if mediocre, but mass-produced and modern weapons that make it possible to defeat the enemy in a modern war.

        And not infantry millions.
    2. +19
      29 September 2022 14: 58
      And why have you been waiting for six months, gentlemen-comrades? The fact that they would have to fight seriously became obvious back in March.
      I'm not talking about the fact that some understood this in 2014.
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 15: 06
        All sorts of "analysts and politicians who have gone into circulation" blew into the ears of the Chief himself, a la tsarevs, Yanukovychs, Azarovs. That's what happened.
        1. +5
          29 September 2022 15: 13
          What before CBO was "cheated" on him, this is understandable. But then?
          1. +2
            29 September 2022 15: 19
            And what, then they "didn't blow"?
            1. +7
              29 September 2022 15: 20
              Somehow I can’t believe that a person does not read the Internet at all.
            2. 0
              29 September 2022 15: 34
              don’t blow, it doesn’t make sense, in general, everything that happened is explained by the fact that there were hopes to reach an agreement with the United States, now there seems to be no hope, otherwise it would have been sense to pull the cat for personal belongings with mobilization and referendums for half a year? and then carry out everything in an emergency mode, carry out mobilization in May, it was already possible to assemble a good prepared fist of 200k bayonets, or even more, and now 2 weeks of preparation, for people who have not held machine guns for 15 years in their hands
        2. +15
          29 September 2022 15: 32
          And the most important one does not know how to think independently? Or maybe not much different from these "hummed"?
          1. -2
            29 September 2022 17: 19
            Quote: Garris199
            And the most important one does not know how to think independently? Or maybe not much different from these "hummed"?

            He knows how, I just think there are other tasks and plans.
      2. +15
        29 September 2022 15: 44
        Quote from invisible_man
        The fact that they would have to fight seriously became obvious back in March.


        yes, already in the first week of March, by the end of which the Russian army had real losses of more than 1500 people killed - the people were told that everything was going according to plan.
        Then followed the withdrawal-retreat of our troops from near Kyiv - the people were told that everything was going according to plan.
        The shelling of the border regions of Russia began - the people were told that everything was going according to plan.
        Terrorist attacks began on the territory of Russia with the penetration of the DRG - the people were told that everything was going according to plan and that we in Ukraine had not yet started seriously.
        The Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a counteroffensive and our troops retreated completely from the Kharkov region - the people were told that we will see what this offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lead to.

        The people see what it led to, namely, the partial mobilization of this very people.
        1. +3
          29 September 2022 16: 52
          They have a good "Plan" or "Borscht with mushrooms" ...
    3. +6
      29 September 2022 15: 01
      War must become workand not a duty
      Sladkov explains.

      Forty years, and maybe more, I met a full cavalier of the Order of Glory, a medical instructor back.
      I remember only one thing - that this is hard, routine work that does not allow a surge of emotions, otherwise death
      therefore Sladkov, saying this, is right. In general, his views are close
      1. +6
        29 September 2022 15: 10
        yes, a lot of people say something praly, it’s useless, war = work for a contract soldier, not for an MK locksmith who was mobilized yesterday, and many of our double basses sniffed in refusal to perform their direct duties, and that’s silence, they sit and receive salaries and don’t buzz
    4. -6
      29 September 2022 15: 04
      "said Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev" ///
      ---
      Another general, straight from the Borodino field...
      In fact, even the BTG is too big and clumsy in modern mobile warfare.
      The Ukrainians, in a smart way, switched to RTGs - company tactical groups of several dozen soldiers, plus squads of ATGMs, MANPADS, drones, and light mortars.

      Such "Gurulevs" will now ruin all the replenishment in their favorite regiments and divisions ... negative
      1. +14
        29 September 2022 15: 18
        You can only fight in small tactical groups if you have a significant superiority in manpower .. Like, for example, the PLA in the Korean .. If it doesn’t exist, or you feel sorry for your fighters, you need to rely on fire superiority, and only a division can give it. Which has regular means for this and, most importantly, supplies ..
        1. -13
          29 September 2022 15: 30
          Not only divisions stood in Izyum, but the whole Guards Army. And they had supplies - ... in bulk.
          But the stubborn and fast company tactical groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine put them to flight.
          1. +5
            29 September 2022 16: 56
            This army, as in the Russian-Japanese, was just tritely torn apart in small parts ..
            1. +2
              29 September 2022 17: 07
              It seems that it's time to learn: if you place a hundred soldiers close to each other, during the day or at night, then a rocket or projectile will certainly fly out of the blue distance. It will fly right into the middle of the squad. And many will be left without arms and legs, those who survived.
              And if you distribute 10-20 people into groups, a hundred meters from one another, then they won’t fly. Because it is expensive to spend accurate weapons on few soldiers.

              And where are you going to keep these armies, divisions, regiments in such a situation? There will be no place for them...
              1. +3
                29 September 2022 17: 23
                You have some incredibly strange idea about the actions of the division in battle .. belay
      2. 0
        29 September 2022 17: 29
        Why Borodino? The son of a lieutenant general, a graduate of the MVOKU, Frunze and the General Staff Academy, the golden fund of the army, so to speak.
    5. -2
      29 September 2022 15: 05
      Rustem Klupov also believes that it is necessary to fight in divisions ...
      But this will be possible only when there are enough troops. And when the basis of the front will be not only paratroopers, marines and MTRs, but full-fledged framed military formations ...
      1. +12
        29 September 2022 15: 13
        Only personnel, not cropped.
      2. +5
        29 September 2022 15: 39
        Rustem Klupov also believes that it is necessary to fight in divisions ...
        But this will be possible only when there are enough troops. And when the basis of the front will be not only paratroopers, marines and MTRs, but full-fledged framed military formations ...


        Front ... divisions ... military formations ...
        Generals always lack troops, although they like to repeat that they fight not by numbers, but by skill.
        Soon the generals will be discussing how to attack with a chain or snake.
    6. +33
      29 September 2022 15: 05
      Where did the cadre army go? Six military regions. The mobilized must be trained for at least six months, a year. And most importantly, where is the saturation with modern technology that has been talked about for 10 years? About org conclusions, I generally keep quiet.
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 15: 15
        As where? Beeches were screwed to the heliports of the corvettes, and here you are. Aegis answer. Now we can say that corvettes already have two Bius
      2. -9
        29 September 2022 15: 47
        on vacation and regrouping, the mobs will go in a couple of months
      3. +1
        29 September 2022 17: 25
        Quote: Old Fuck
        Where did the cadre army go?


        and it was?. After all, it is not a secret for everyone that the point is not the size of the cadre army, but the adequacy of this number to ensure the sovereignty of the state, protect its guardians and wage war with its main strategic adversary (enemy).
        Please tell us our main strategic adversary is Ukraine? Poland? all of Europe? or is it still our main adversary is the United States at best, and at worst, plus NATO?
        Or that starting the NMD in Ukraine, our military and politicians were so naive that they believed that the United States and its NATO vassals would not pump weapons into this very Ukraine as long as there was the last Ukrainian ready to fight against Russia with these weapons? at the same time, they believed in this despite the fact that on the eve of the NMD, the Americans landed dozens of military aircraft in Kyiv, crammed with weapons to the eyeballs, and the Lend-Lease document for Ukraine was signed by the Americans a month before our NMD?
        Explanation and justification of their miscalculations “But we couldn’t imagine that NATO would harness itself for Ukraine to the fullest” obviously won’t work here. time by allowing those red lines to be crossed and not hitting the decision centers.
        The interpreters-propagandists assured the people that there were simply no decision-making centers on the territory of Ukraine, and then we suddenly hear on September 21 that there are decision-making centers in Kyiv and that NATO officers are freely and safely in them, who decide and plan all the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        Do you seriously think that the West, led by the United States, under such conditions, will weaken or stop (generally looks fantastic) support for Ukraine?
        The West felt our weakness and decided that it was a unique time to finish off the Russian bear. And they decided to do this in a limited period of time, namely during October 2022.
        And if Russia does not dare to destroy all decision-making centers in Ukraine (both political and military) + destroy all critical infrastructure, then Russia is doomed to defeat. And yes, we will have to launch a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine (the risk of a world war is negligible) or on Poland ( the risk of a world war is much higher).
        As for partial mobilization, the first trained ones will join the ranks of the Russian army only by the end of October, if we leave aside their effectiveness, and the front in the Donbass and Zaporozhye is on the verge of crumbling right now.
    7. +13
      29 September 2022 15: 06
      “Battalions should not rush from corner to corner”: Lieutenant General Gurulev criticized the use of BTG on a wide front
      . General quotes MILITARY TEXTBOOKS!!!
      And what, before this no one knew, did not understand ???
      Who commanded, who exactly made such a mess??? One can only hope that they were sent somewhere ... to the side, although such people must be removed completely and forever!
      Neglect of military science is a crime, at least!
      1. +5
        29 September 2022 15: 27
        Those who brewed this need to be sent so that the mobs can be attacked by personal example and there is no need to dig deep trenches for them, for a maximum of two bayonets of a shovel.
      2. +2
        29 September 2022 15: 39
        Quote: rocket757
        General quotes MILITARY TEXTBOOKS!!!

        Victor, welcome hi
        And how do you understand whether Gurulev is promoted or not, from the post of commander (in my opinion of the 58th Army) to the post of State Duma deputy?
        And what other position do you need to have in order to hear your (his) position?
        1. +4
          29 September 2022 15: 57
          Hi Gennady soldier
          Those who have reached the very top are not inclined to listen to anyone at all! Yes, that usually happens.
          Quite a few specialists, military men, declared that too many mistakes were being made, violations of the very foundations of military art.
          They warned that very serious, experienced guys were behind Kukuevsky, and they had a lot of resources ... so what? And nothing could shake the very, very, "correct" bossy opinion ... alas.
          So we've been through this already! And here again, on the same rake ....
          1. +4
            29 September 2022 17: 20
            Quote: rocket757
            And nothing could shake the very, very, "correct" bossy opinion ... alas.

            We know from the history of Russia that the people of unsuccessful rulers do not forgive
            1. +1
              29 September 2022 17: 30
              It is not that simple ...
              Big country, huge inertia.
              While the country is swinging, it will understand that they don’t need this, a lot can happen, different things.
              Behind the current ones, stocks and worse, carts and a small cart, so what ???
              The party in power again won the by-election ...
              It is clear that the people do not have a worthy, understandable alternative before their eyes .... well, on the contrary, you can dilute that "indigestible broth" which is called "the people's representatives."
              Fundamentally, this will not change anything, they are all there at the same time, but the sediment would remain, and would the citizens themselves understand that it was THEY FOR US, NOT WE, FOR GIH!
              You could start with this, and then ......
              1. +2
                29 September 2022 19: 46
                Quote: rocket757
                Big country, huge inertia.

                Let's hope that the NWO has awakened at least someone in the country.
                1. +1
                  29 September 2022 19: 54
                  Some say that it will not be like before .... but how will it be, is that a question?
                  1. +2
                    29 September 2022 19: 58
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Some say that it will not be like before .... but how will it be, is that a question?

                    ...prepare for the worst
                    1. +1
                      29 September 2022 20: 12
                      It is always necessary to prepare for different things, that the difficult did not turn out to be insurmountable.
                      And so ... there are prerequisites that good changes will follow, our entire history shows that having received on the nose, our "Mikhal Potapych" becomes faster, more furious, stronger.
                      Boom hope that this will happen.
      3. +2
        29 September 2022 17: 57
        .
        General quotes MILITARY TEXTBOOKS!!!

        Is this the same general who recently spoke in the media like this?

        "Misha is smart." At the same time, General Gurulev said that he had no good words for the now former Deputy Minister of Defense

        This alone is already disturbing. Some kind of hurt modern general . How to be more precise? Artist
        1. +2
          29 September 2022 18: 25
          So the "big giraffe" should be clearly visible to him from above ... probably. Although, maybe it's time for him to prescribe glasses or binoculars ???
          In the past, the topmost controlled the situation in various ways, incl. creating parallel services that analyzed and reported on the situation in the most important, responsible areas. Less likely to make the wrong decision based on distorted information from the field.
          Maybe that's how it should be???
    8. +3
      29 September 2022 15: 09
      Sadly, but everything resembles the mediocrity of the Red Army generals at the beginning of the Second World War! When will Russia stop stepping on the same rake? When you in the Kremlin, not in words, in deeds, will understand that this is a war for the very existence of Russia? And when will traitors in the highest echelons of power begin to be punished according to the laws of war, not to be dismissed?
      1. +2
        29 September 2022 15: 16
        ezdarnost of the generals of the Red Army at the beginning of the Second World War

        By the way, who was the chief of the General Staff?
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 20: 08
          Shaposhnikov B.M. ... an experienced staff worker, professor, theorist.
          And then you can argue for a long time why it happened this way and not otherwise.
          It is unlikely that one, the main reason will be found ... most likely a tangle of different reasons, which has not one end, but many.
      2. 0
        29 September 2022 20: 00
        The General Staff could develop, propose ... who made the final decision ???
    9. +6
      29 September 2022 15: 09
      Let's do something, stop talking.

      And so the point is not in the BTG and not in the divisions, but in the fact that the enemy has many times more people at the front.
    10. -1
      29 September 2022 15: 11
      As he noted, the replenishment of the army will allow the formation of reserves in all sectors of the theater of operations, and not regroup units. It is also necessary to achieve a normal rotation of personnel: three months at the front, three at home, three at the training ground and back into battle. This will allow soldiers to relax, learn new weapons, and improve their skills.


      When did he realize this, six months later? How about before?
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 15: 51
        Quote: Konnick
        three months at the front, three at home, three at the training ground and back into battle.

        And what after the house at the training ground to do three months? what Especially if you're in support units.
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 16: 05
          And what after the house at the training ground to do three months?

          Well, he's a general, they don't ask questions, they just follow orders.
          1. +2
            29 September 2022 19: 40
            Quote: Konnick
            And what after the house at the training ground to do three months?

            Well, he's a general, they don't ask questions, they just follow orders.

            They blurt out without thinking, and the general is no longer in authority to take his words back.
    11. -1
      29 September 2022 15: 11
      Today we are fighting with what - battalion-tactical groups. This is the main mistake. We must fight in regiments, brigades, divisions, armies. Everyone must complete the task, and not collect units bit by bit. On a front of 100 km, one battalion rushes from corner to corner so as not to miss the enemy's breakthrough
      Planning for large wax operations unfortunately leaves much to be desired. recourse
    12. -2
      29 September 2022 15: 11
      Only commanders from the regiment and above can discuss such an article, and not couch experts, including myself. There probably weren’t any of those in VO. And there were good times, 2010 - 2014. Everyone survived.
      1. +5
        29 September 2022 16: 04
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Only commanders from the regiment and above can discuss such an article, and not couch experts, including myself. There probably weren’t any of those in VO. And there were good times, 2010 - 2014. Everyone survived.

        What other super commanders are needed to understand that the forces, means and actions of the enemy are estimated incorrectly, as a result of which a threatening situation has developed for our troops.
        And, this is called - incompetent command.
        1. 0
          5 October 2022 17: 30
          And, this is called - incompetent command.
          And also, as I understood from the recent attacks on General Lapin, the commander of the Central Military District, there is no clear control over the troops that are sent to the front from different military districts ...
    13. +6
      29 September 2022 15: 12
      Someone blew into our ears that he is a great commander, and a weapon that has no analogue is your bomb.
    14. -1
      29 September 2022 15: 13
      War should be a job, not a duty

      Sladkov explains.
      For questions about work and related features, please contact the VGTRK. good drinks
    15. +13
      29 September 2022 15: 16
      judging by the T-62 and BMP-1 going towards Ukraine and the mobilization of Uncle Vasya from the factory and the youngsters who were not trained and not motivated - a lot of questions arise !, on TV, a professional contract army "clicks like nuts" and "everything goes according to plan" with precision weapons...

    16. 0
      29 September 2022 15: 18
      BTGr - at one time it was a solution associated with huge problems in the staffing of the aircraft. Correct??? Debatable. But their creation allowed us to solve many problems. That time has long passed. The echoes of those reforms (which forced them to come to the BTGR) are still coming out as a burp for the army and our society. But the reformers are still walking around with their heads and free. At the present time, the BTG is nonsense, and for people in uniform planning military operations by these organizations, this is a reason to be tried by a military tribunal. But ... Much, or rather many, have changed at the top of the military organization. Lately, not by choice. Knowing almost all of them, I wait for justice to prevail. Especially in relation to those who determined the original intent.
    17. Two
      0
      29 September 2022 15: 23
      hi One more look and one opinion on what is happening. Okay, he is a pensioner, a deputy back and forth. And where are the stars, except for the talking head? Why are they silent?
    18. +2
      29 September 2022 15: 24
      In his words, partial mobilization will finally make it possible to refuse to fight with full-fledged units, and not with consolidated units.
      The author, it seems, is a Chukchi from a joke (not a reader, but a writer).
    19. -2
      29 September 2022 15: 25
      In general, the general should express his opinion and vision in the appropriate headquarters, and not in the press or social networks. It seems to me.
      1. 0
        5 October 2022 17: 14
        "general" Kadyrov is not shy about expressing all sorts of things everywhere, everywhere ... why shouldn't a normal general speak out?
    20. +5
      29 September 2022 15: 31
      Oh! belay
      It turns out that all those who have been pointing out the viciousness of the contract system for manning the Armed Forces for the last thirty years were right? A "small compact army of professionals", as soon as it came to using it for its intended purpose, "suddenly" was unable to do this?
      Damn it, who would have thought... what
      And who is responsible for this miscalculation, you may ask?
      1. -1
        29 September 2022 19: 23
        If this army were properly equipped for modern warfare and had a competent command, its strength would be enough to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If at least the Aerospace Forces were trained and had the necessary means to suppress air defense, then the bombers would have been “hanging” over all the main communications for a long time and ironing the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine 24/7. Another completely song would already be.
        1. -1
          29 September 2022 19: 30
          Well, yes. And if my grandmother had you know what, she would be a grandfather.
        2. 0
          5 October 2022 17: 25
          The Aerospace Forces is embarrassed to use the "strategists" TU-22, TU-95, TU-160 and others, despite the fact that in the arsenal of these flying missile carriers there are many air-to-surface missiles with a firing range of 300-400 km, which must be written off and disposed of. So they would have carried out live firing by these missile-carrying strategists in order to: 1 - destroy the Ukrainian troops and military infrastructure used by the Ukronazi Ukronazis, 2 - the "strategists" gained experience in live firing; 3 - "decommissioned-destroyed" for the benefit of the cause of the missiles to be decommissioned.
      2. 0
        5 October 2022 17: 20
        contract units of constant combat readiness, no doubt, are always needed. It is these units that take the first blow, allowing the country to mobilize. Another thing is that for some reason the General Staff and the Supreme Command took a very long time to decide that it was necessary to mobilize, although it was obvious to everyone back in the spring that there were very few contract units of constant combat readiness to cope with the Sshanat Ukronazis.
        1. 0
          5 October 2022 21: 18
          contract units of constant combat readiness, no doubt, are always needed.

          There is one false premise in this statement, which seems to really not cause any doubts: the contract part and the part of constant combat readiness are not the same thing.
          The transition and, most importantly, the active and thoughtless propaganda of the contract recruitment system, as the only right thing, led to the fact that today the main motivation for participation in the SVO for very, very many is money, so that you are not told from the TV screens about an unprecedented patriotic upsurge. And people absolutely cannot be blamed for this - they were brought up like this for 30 years in all possible ways.
          Sergei, a contract-type army fighting for money, firstly, will never be compared in size with the Soviet-style mobilization army - the state does not have enough resources for this.
          This automatically means that Russia, with such a policy, will not be able to use ALL of its mobilization resources. Let's add to this purely political restrictions on mobilization: we don't call up students, we don't send recruits to the NVO zone, and so on.
          As a result, at the moment we have a paradoxical situation that our contract-based personnel and contract-like mobilization army in the theater of operations DOES NOT EXCEED the total mobilized army of Ukraine in terms of numbers. Attention to the question: is it possible to hope for success in this case? After all, our global task is the liberation of territories, i.e. offensive, not a reflection of the enemy invasion!
          The prospect is a transition to the rejection of abundant funding for the mobilized. Possible (and very dangerous) consequences are the disappointment of personnel in the goals and prospects of what is happening. Possible prospects - up to catastrophic, as in 1917. There, of course, the land issue was at the forefront, and not the money issue, but this is also more dangerous - the inertia of maintaining motivation is much shorter today.
    21. +9
      29 September 2022 15: 33
      in the 2nd Soviet-Finnish, it took a little more than a month to understand that they had messed up with planning, and then 7 months and the criticism finally started.
    22. +8
      29 September 2022 15: 56
      Lieutenant General Gurulev, in fact, in the defense comet of the State Duma, he was silent and did not prepare the army
    23. +1
      29 September 2022 15: 58
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: g_ae
      But Girkin is not a general, that's why they merged him. What was he wrong about? Just did not come to the yard.

      Generals do not tolerate when majors or colonels are smarter than them, and even more so when they say smart things.
      Such majors and colonels, back in the days of the Second World War, more than one were summed up under execution and prison by such generals.
      There are a lot of examples.

      So you do not like it when someone is smarter than you. Although even on this form there are a lot of them :-)
    24. +5
      29 September 2022 16: 01
      Why go far. They planned bodies walking in a parrot Latin form. Some caps are worth something.
    25. +6
      29 September 2022 16: 03
      Quote: St54
      In general, the general should express his opinion and vision in the appropriate headquarters, and not in the press or social networks. It seems to me.

      When Burulev was still in the NS division, he was under investigation for almost a year. "For exceeding official authority", which was expressed in the use of slave labor by privates. Repulsed. When Burulev, already a lieutenant-general, deputy commander of the district, began to pinch again (five volumes were collected), he wrote a letter of resignation of his own free will and instantly became a deputy. That is, he received immunity. And once in the State Duma, it's time for him to tell how to fight.
    26. +7
      29 September 2022 16: 07
      Quote: cokol-161
      judging by the T-62 and BMP-1 going towards Ukraine and the mobilization of Uncle Vasya from the factory and the youngsters who were not trained and not motivated - a lot of questions arise !, on TV, a professional contract army "clicks like nuts" and "everything goes according to plan" with precision weapons...


      If anyone noticed, they are actively using it in the SVO and D-30. Although the Hero of Russia, General of the Army Shoigu, back in 2014, ordered to remove these howitzers from service. Because 86% of the troops have no analogues.
    27. -1
      29 September 2022 16: 10
      Oh, how, they started talking about a regular army ... but how long ago did people talk that we don’t need large armies, quite enough contract soldiers and that no one has been fighting with full-fledged armies of a million in number for a long time and that this is archaism and the last century.
    28. -2
      29 September 2022 16: 10
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Only personnel, not cropped.

      Oh, Rustem already has NS ready. Although .... If a person calls the cropped parts personnel, then he is immediately in the GOU. And better - in the Duma. Every second such strategist is there.
    29. +2
      29 September 2022 16: 29
      "The transition to positional defense, during hostilities in the city, is possible with the conditional equality of forces and capabilities of the warring parties." (With)
      During the defense in the city and the superior forces of the enemy, they offer the tactics of mobile groups - an ambush, the destruction of the maximum number of the enemy, a change of position. Something like this acted dill at the beginning of the NWO.
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    31. +7
      29 September 2022 16: 56
      Everyone is now looking at the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and shouting louder and louder so that he takes urgent measures to repel the attacks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Liman direction and then goes on the offensive. But in vain. Retreat after retreat. Here, in the battles in the village of Drobyshevo, the enemy unit uses UAVs, artillery, and aviation, but where are the vaunted Russian ones? Where did the artillery with 6000-8000 rounds a day go along with the absolute superiority of aviation in the air?
    32. CYM
      0
      29 September 2022 17: 17
      Quote: rocket757
      Who commanded, who exactly made such a mess??? One can only hope that they were sent somewhere ... to the side, although such people must be removed completely and forever!
      Neglect of military science is a crime, at least!

      There is information that some pre-trial detention centers are already filled with majors and colonels, the generals will apparently be taken care of later. sad
    33. -1
      29 September 2022 17: 31
      In general, the feeling that our leadership has begun to do something that it cannot do is getting stronger.
    34. +2
      29 September 2022 18: 11
      Only after 7 months about the lack of the size of the army "came" to the very top ... Like a giraffe! For this alone, Shoigu should be sent to the Liman as a private!
    35. -1
      29 September 2022 18: 14
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      why did not defend their opinion about the lack of strength.
      That's it! A specialist and an honest person would resign, but would not follow the order of his superiors, which he considers erroneous.
    36. -2
      29 September 2022 18: 35
      Did Gurulev himself fight a lot in the NWO? Or is he more engaged in whitewashing his native Defense Ministry and blaming the Donetsk mobilized.
    37. 0
      29 September 2022 20: 25
      The general made his point. His opinion was apparently taken into account ... but the Commander-in-Chief clearly expressed:

      "Fourth. Of course, at all levels there must be effective action algorithms, advanced automation, but at the same time, we see that modern military conflicts do not follow a pattern. As before, the key role belongs to the commander in them. A lot depends on his knowledge, experience, personal qualities, and the one who makes truly non-standard decisions wins.Therefore, in the course of operational and combat training, it is necessary to train precisely such commanders who are diversified in all respects.They should be in the personnel reserve of military leaders, they need to be looked at, already now to guide, to provide an opportunity for further career growth."

      http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67402

      Only at the BTG level, acting autonomously, such commanders will appear.
    38. +2
      29 September 2022 20: 53
      They just didn’t count on the fact that in some 8 years people’s brains would be turned into shit. Those who were 14-12 years old in 15 came under a very serious ideological influence. I'm not talking about the younger age. From morning to evening, from all sockets, it rained about the most harmful Rusne, who sleeps and sees how to eat independent children without salt and pepper, rape girls and then on according to the Hitlerite scenario. Our experts in the field of ideology would be sorry to watch Khokhlyat TV. But ideology was banned in our country, there were no specialists left. I'm not talking about Zyuganov's debbbbils. They have internal contradictions with the authorities, these friends don’t see shit further than their leader’s bees. Here they blew it. Military affairs in schools were canceled, vocational training too. The main news is how "prima donnas" and "empresses", Rudkovskys, glamorous hairdressers live. Boris Moiseev's illness is much more interesting because our industry. On NTV, the glamorous pidddor is still conducting a strange program. Look how many managers are now sticking out not on the borders of the fatherland or running from mobilization. So it turned out that no one remembered about the ravines.
    39. +4
      29 September 2022 20: 56
      Yes, at least 200 divisions - when the leadership pursues its own goals that are different from those voiced, as can be seen in the course of this company - what's the difference?
    40. -1
      29 September 2022 21: 49
      It was obvious to the officers who knew, fought .... The BTG was invented by clumsy, mediocre ones, to drive such people from the troops! They sent this to the Border Troops of the KGB of the USSR (I want to say a bad word) - Zarathustra will send a warning again. His last name is Nikolaev. He destroyed everything he could. Apparently, for this and sent! I have no words! There were enemies then and now!
      1. -1
        5 October 2022 16: 59
        The BTG is an excellent formation for raids behind enemy lines, provided that the front is constantly held by regiments and divisions.
    41. -1
      29 September 2022 21: 55
      Quote: Lionov
      Don’t write bullshit, your Girkin got kicked in the ass in 14, or rather I. Bezler arrested him for cowardice and cowardice and even wanted to shoot him, saved the great "commander" Girkin with his authority, persuading Bezler to his old friend A. Boroday , thanks to which the adventurer Girkin appeared in the Donbass, having fled there after the so-called "Simferopol incident", when the adventurer planted a huge pile of kakan not for anyone, but for the president of Russia. Borodai, who was then chairman of the government, personally escorted him to the border. You told us better tell how Girkin signed the order to surrender the entire Donbass agglomeration, for example, the same Gorlovka, which was defended by I. Bezler, who did not give a damn about the orders of the adventurer-reenactor Girkin. You tell us this expert on stilts.

      You are here carrying a blizzard about him, you don’t even know. that Girkin is an FSB colonel. Read above, you've already been answered there!
    42. 0
      29 September 2022 22: 04
      the minister knows better how to run along the front ...
    43. +1
      29 September 2022 22: 20
      Quote: Babermetis
      The general made his point. His opinion was apparently taken into account ... but the Commander-in-Chief clearly expressed:

      "Fourth. Of course, at all levels there must be effective action algorithms, advanced automation, but at the same time, we see that modern military conflicts do not follow a pattern. As before, the key role belongs to the commander in them. A lot depends on his knowledge, experience, personal qualities, and the one who makes truly non-standard decisions wins.Therefore, in the course of operational and combat training, it is necessary to train precisely such commanders who are diversified in all respects.They should be in the personnel reserve of military leaders, they need to be looked at, already now to guide, to provide an opportunity for further career growth."

      http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67402

      Only at the BTG level, acting autonomously, such commanders will appear.

      No BTG. Only full-fledged divisions, corps, armies - with such forces we can achieve victory! Four fronts, four pancakes liberated this territory, and then some BTGs. The whole General Staff Academy in the southwest of Moscow is a huge complex, like the US Pentagon. What are you doing???!!! The fact that they pooped the Kharkov direction ?! Generals to whom this Supreme High Command hung stars. He left for himself, or rather, Peskov will hang a stray for him! Well, I don't know what to say!
    44. -1
      30 September 2022 10: 42
      In general, Putin has already said that the mobilized will be used for the protection and defense of objects in the annexed territories. So it’s not a fact that they will get to the front and the troops will feel better. In the rear, yes, but at the front ....
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 14: 36
        Putin said a lot of things that later did not come true
    45. 0
      30 September 2022 15: 34
      Nevertheless, it seems that within six months of NWO, experts and analysts began to realize that the network-centric concept requires decisive and tough concerted actions and the subsequent strengthening of the rear, otherwise it is nothing more than a fashionable theory, like the Douai doctrine (the echoes of which are still heard), in fact leading to dispersion and loss of available forces.
    46. +1
      30 September 2022 16: 37
      Here we are reaping the rewards when the "experts" (who, by the way, did not serve in the army for a day, but read a lot of bookoffs about the impudent Saxon armies) sneered contemptuously that there would no longer be a legacy of the "despicable scoop" with its regiments, divisions and armies. And just the "almighty BTG" will solve all the problems. He will ride, quickly win in one place and ride off to win in another. And when asked why they decided so, the answer was that these BTGs would be from the "small in number, but exceptionally well-trained and equipped contract army." And from this army, the platoon will drive enemy battalions with dirty towels. Why did they decide so, why, it is not clear, they imagined themselves and that's it.
      Moreover, the “experts” could not cite a single example when a contract army would defeat an enemy many times superior in numbers, having a draft army, technically equivalent, or not much inferior in terms of technical equipment.
    47. +1
      30 September 2022 16: 55
      Quote: Valery Vl.
      They just didn’t count on the fact that in some 8 years people’s brains would be turned into shit. Those who were 14-12 years old in 15 came under a very serious ideological influence. I'm not talking about the younger age. From morning to evening, from all sockets, it rained about the most harmful Rusne, who sleeps and sees how to eat independent children without salt and pepper, rape girls and then on according to the Hitlerite scenario. Our experts in the field of ideology would be sorry to watch Khokhlyat TV. But ideology was banned in our country, there were no specialists left. I'm not talking about Zyuganov's debbbbils. They have internal contradictions with the authorities, these friends don’t see shit further than their leader’s bees. Here they blew it. Military affairs in schools were canceled, vocational training too. The main news is how "prima donnas" and "empresses", Rudkovskys, glamorous hairdressers live. Boris Moiseev's illness is much more interesting because our industry. On NTV, the glamorous pidddor is still conducting a strange program. Look how many managers are now sticking out not on the borders of the fatherland or running from mobilization. So it turned out that no one remembered about the ravines.

      And the fact that in SIX years the Nazis turned the Germans into monsters did not inspire any fears?
      And the bottom line is that they thought they would resolve all issues with the "nezalezhnoy" "like a kid", such as agree on concepts. Yep, agreed.
      Moreover, when enthusiasts, even before 2014, in the 90s and zero years, they tried to create some kind of association in order not to break the unity of peoples, they tried to create at least some kind of connection at the grassroots level, public clubs, clubs in memory of the Great Patriotic War etc., and so, the SBU of that time did not press them as much as the cops in Russia. Because reigned, from what hangover - it is not clear, the conviction that, like, we will give discounts on oil and gas and the "nezalezhnaya" will lick us. Yep, they screwed up.
    48. +1
      30 September 2022 17: 23
      Quote: Smoker
      I agree with you 100% here. One thing is bad - there was no general who would say
      everything that thinks about this and refused to send troops under such conditions ...

      Stalin had the head of the General Staff Zhukov, who could object to the supreme and who in the end recognized him as right. Maybe our generals had objections, but then again, as in 1941, the supreme wants to hear what he wants and what the political elite whisper from under the quiet.
    49. +2
      30 September 2022 17: 34
      Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
      In general, Putin has already said that the mobilized will be used for the protection and defense of objects in the annexed territories. So it's not a fact that they will go to the front and
      troops will be easier. In the rear, yes, but at the front ....

      They will get to the front anyway due to shortages in parts of the front line. Moreover, this partial mobilization is far from the last. Life is forced to spend a few more. The need for partial mobilization was discussed immediately after the start of hostilities. They came to their senses after 7 months. Now we need to prepare and train those who did not serve. If they don't listen again, it will be the same as now. It is necessary to plug the holes, but so far there is nothing.
    50. +1
      30 September 2022 20: 10
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine have already formed a large backbone of experienced warriors who have both weapons and artillery support, and intelligence, plus they are training abroad. Now they will dig in again, and they plan to throw mobs against them? But it will be necessary, I doubt that the grouping that exists at the moment is capable of performing these tasks. But it's still half the trouble. Problems will begin when the funerals go home. Ours have not learned to work in the information field from the word at all. How many people died in Ukraine, roughly 100 thousand, even more wounded, so what? Somewhere visible uprisings, discontent. There, propaganda is put on stream no worse than Goebbels, so they continue to mobilize the people, and he is happy. And we have How many 10-15 thousand people died, of which many from the republics of Donbass. But just when mobilization was announced, what a panic, I had to set up military registration and enlistment offices right on the border, then the 5th column started working with might and main and the West joined in, but what about our information bureaus? They were born a week later and then through the mouth of the president and began to move quietly when the damage in the media field would have already been done. If letters go home, and with such a disgusting message, they will go an order of magnitude more because of this mediocre command, lack of logistics, they will receive a social explosion. And here the 5th column will work in full. And what will it result in in 1917 or in 1991?
    51. +2
      30 September 2022 21: 35
      A normal war is when you find the enemy, prepare an operation and destroy the enemy with your superior forces. And when politicians prohibit troops from destroying enemies, then what happens is what happens.
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    53. +1
      4 October 2022 10: 21
      Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
      In general, Putin has already said that the mobilized will be used for the protection and defense of objects in the annexed territories. So it’s not a fact that they will get to the front and the troops will feel better. In the rear, yes, but at the front ....

      “As long as I’m in power, there will be no increase in the retirement age!”
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    55. 0
      5 October 2022 16: 49
      What we are fighting today is battalion tactical groups. This is the main mistake. We must fight in regiments, brigades, divisions, armies. Everyone must complete the task, and not piece together units. At a front of 100 km, one battalion rushes from corner to corner so as not to miss the enemy’s breakthrough,” said Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulyov, sharply criticizing the organizational structure that had developed at the front.
      In his words, partial mobilization will finally make it possible to fight with full-fledged units, and not with consolidated detachments. This position was actively supported by military commander Alexander Sladkov:
      And also, as I understood from the recent attacks on General Lapin, the commander of the Central Military District, there is no clear control over the troops that are sent to the front from different military districts ...
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