10 years passed since the terrorist attack on Dubrovka

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Exactly 10 years ago 23 in October 2002, in 21 hour 15 minutes, armed men in camouflage and masks, who turned out to be Chechen terrorists, burst into the Theater Center on Dubrovka. At this time, the musical Nord-Ost was on stage at the DC. The total number of hostages taken by the terrorists was 912 people. After the seizure, the terrorists (a total of 40 people) declared all spectators and theater workers hostages and began the procedure of mining the building. It later became known that the building was captured by a detachment of Chechen militants led by Movsar Barayev, while among the invaders there were many female suicide bombers hung with explosives.

On the evening of the next day, the Qatari television channel Al-Jazeera broadcast an interview with Movsar Barayev on television, which was recorded several days before the hostage-taking. In this interview, the terrorists declared themselves suicide bombers and demanded the withdrawal of Russian troops from the territory of Chechnya. The seizure of the Moscow Theater Center on Dubrovka was the first large-scale terrorist attack that took place in Moscow, after the second military operation to eliminate illegal armed groups in Chechnya, which began at the end of 1999. It is with the events at Dubrovka that many experts associate the beginning of a new wave of terrorism that will cover Russia.

The tragic events unfolding over 57 hours involved 912 people who were taken hostage by terrorists. The whole country these days watching what was happening on TV screens and worried about their fate. Early in the morning of October 26, around o'clock in the morning, the special forces are storming the theatrical center. As a result of the assault, all 6 terrorists were killed, and no 40 identities were ever established. However, the seemingly flawlessly carried out operation ends in tragedy. The total number of victims among the hostages was 6 people, of which only 130 were killed directly by terrorists, the rest 5 people were victims of the consequences of the storming of the building (gas use). This fact has generated a wave of criticism, a lot of questions to the security forces, the organizers of the crisis staff and the state. He became the cause of numerous lawsuits and proceedings.
10 years passed since the terrorist attack on Dubrovka

20 December 2011 of the Year The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) published its decision on the 64 lawsuit of victims, as well as relatives of the victims of the Dubrovka terrorist attack. In its decision, the court acknowledged the fact that the Russian authorities inadequately planned for the rescue operation, and also failed to conduct an effective investigation into the circumstances of the deaths. At the same time, the court recognized that the decision itself on the assault and use of gas did not violate the rights of the hostages. The decision of the ECHR after appeal to the Grand Chamber of the court came into force, with Russia in favor of the victims were recovered 1,3 million euros.

The terrorist attack on Dubrovka

According to the published investigative data, the final decision to commit a major terrorist act in Moscow with the capture of a large number of hostages was made at a meeting of Chechen field commanders, which took place in the summer of 2002. At the same time, practical steps to prepare for the attack were carried out earlier, at the beginning of 2002. Even then, representatives of the militants began to rent apartments in the capital, which would later become the strongholds of terrorists.

The actual preparation of the terrorist act began in the first days of October 2002, when explosives were brought from Chechnya to Moscow in the trunk of cars weapon. Then, within a month, insurgents came to Moscow in small groups, who settled in several previously rented apartments located in different parts of the city. The total composition of the terrorist group was approximately 40 people, and half were women - suicide bombers. Initially, the 3 object, which implied the compact presence of a large number of citizens — Moscow State Variety Theater, Moscow Youth Palace and the Theater Center on Dubrovka - were considered as the site of a possible terrorist attack. As a result, the choice was made in favor of the latter because of the large number of seats in the auditorium, as well as the smallest number of outbuildings that would have to be searched and then controlled.

Thereafter, from October 23 to October 26 early morning 2002, the terrorists held hostages. At that time, the militants were quite active in negotiations, in which some Russian politicians took part (Iosif Kobzon, Grigory Yavlinsky, Irina Khakamada), as well as public figures (doctors Leonid Roshal and Anvar El-Said), journalists (Anna Politkovskaya, and film crew channel NTV). In the course of these negotiations, the terrorists released several dozen hostages (a few dozen more people were able to leave the captured building on their own, locked up in certain rooms, through windows or through emergency exits).

As conditions for the release of the hostages, the terrorists called for the demand for the complete and immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from the territory of Chechnya. At the same time, they did not set any specific and feasible requirements, as there wasn’t any specific action on their part. It was possible to assess this situation in different ways. As a result of the fact that the terrorists are waiting for some kind of instructions from the outside or as proof that they are not going to release the hostages (a large number of suicide bombers among the invaders spoke in favor of this version).

In the sixth hour of the morning of October 26, the special services launched an operation to storm the Theater Center on Dubrovka, free hostages and neutralize the terrorists. The key point of the developed operation was the use of a special combat gas developed on the basis of fetanil and having a sleep effect on humans. Gas was pumped into the building of the theater center through the ventilation system. The use of gas was intended to neutralize the terrorists in order to prevent them from undermining the building, as well as to facilitate the task of releasing the hostages taken by the special forces. After about an hour and a half, representatives of the operational headquarters for the release of the hostages created told journalists that the building was completely controlled by the special services. All the terrorists were killed, and the hostages were released.

Then information appeared about the death of 67 hostages, but in the next few days several dozen former hostages died in the hospitals of the capital, who were also exposed to an unknown gas, the number of victims of the terrorist attack reached 130 people (10 children). At the same time, directly at the hands of terrorists, only 5 people died. The official version about the mass death of the remaining hostages was reduced to the fact that the impact of gas, which is non-lethal under normal conditions, complicated a number of destructive factors to which the hostages were exposed: stress, insomnia, hunger, dehydration, as well as their chronic diseases.

The composition of the gas used during the assault is still unknown. Only two things are known about him: 1) He is “harmless,” Vladimir Putin told American journalists, explaining why the hostages could not die from the actions of the special services; 2) It was made on the basis of fentanyl derivatives, the Minister of Health Shevchenko told about this (fentanyl is a narcotic analgesic that is hundreds of times more powerful than heroin in its biological effects). At the same time, no one gave the exact formula of the gas, it is only known that a certain chemical officer, whose name is kept secret, received the title of Hero of Russia for participating in this special operation.

Terrorist attack on Dubrovka, afterword

In the last issue of the magazine “Bolshoy Gorod” a rather large article appeared, devoted to the events of a decade ago. In particular, Andrey Soldatov, the editor-in-chief of Agentura.ru website dedicated to the work of the security services, who watched the storming of the theatrical center from the window of a neighboring building, and Anatoly Yermolin, FSB lieutenant colonel in reserve, former chief operational combat department "Vympel".

According to Anatoly Yermolin, the power unit of the operation to free the hostages was well prepared and planned. Few people today understand that if bombs exploded in a building, Russia could lose all its elite divisions altogether, since Alpha and Vympel were part of the theatrical center with almost full line-up. According to the retired lieutenant colonel Vympel, many of them, before going on the assault, said goodbye to their families and each other.

According to him, the decision on the use of gas was wrong, since he did not play any role in the operation. In the event that the terrorists wanted to blow up the hall, they would have blown it up. As a result, the used gas did not instantly shut off people, the terrorists had to be eliminated by classical means from firearms, and the gas became only the cause of mass poisoning of people, which became a real tragedy.

According to Yermolin, “Nord-Ost” became a special operations drama, which could turn into a triumphant victory of the special services, but did not become one due to the adoption of a number of wrong management decisions. The special operation to free the hostages is not only to break into the building and correctly eliminate the terrorists. This also includes the organization of logistics: transportation of people, an ambulance entrance, the interaction of rescue services - at this stage everything was failed, stressed Anatoly Yermolin.

According to Andrei Soldatov, the main question today is to ask representatives of the operational headquarters - Vladimir Pronichev, who is still the first deputy director of the FSB, as well as Vladimir Vasilyev, deputy head of the operational headquarters and former deputy head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs: why the hell didn’t deploy a field hospital in the immediate vicinity from the theater center? It seems that they either planned that they would only have the dead, and for those who survive, there would be enough ambulance cars that were in place, or they did not even think about this situation at all.

According to the laws, the means, strength, and tactics of special operations are secret. Gas is a means, so no one is going to reveal its formulas. But the situation was terrifying: they took the hostages out of the building in very different forms and simply dumped almost on each other directly on the pavement, some of them began to die there, simply choking on vomit. This problem had to be solved, even without having an idea about the gas used, simply providing the victims with first aid, but this was not organized either. People just dumped themselves into the buses that arrived, many of them were already dead. According to Soldatov, even if the representatives of the special services would promptly disclose the composition of the used gas, this could no longer improve the situation.

According to Andrei Soldatov, the situation was initially political: the terrorists put forward political demands, and Vladimir Putin and the security forces staged a real hysteria, which can be called “We should not repeat Budyonnovsk”. I have the impression that all this stories about the fact that it was necessary to show everyone how the new Russian leadership can respond to the same challenge that “broke” Yeltsin in due time. They perceived it exactly that way and only thought about it.

The main problem manifested itself in the fact that the level of the special services and at the official level the storming of the theater center was declared a victory. In the Russian understanding of the victory means the fact that the debriefing will not be held. After the operation with a large number of victims, neither reforms nor the corrective actions of the special services followed.

The authorities believed that if they showed the terrorists that they had emerged victorious from the situation, they would not repeat this. But as a result, both sides consider themselves winners. At the same time, some did not change their tactics and review their actions, while the latter decided that once they had won, then we could try to repeat the success. That is why Beslan was almost inevitable. At the same time, when seizing a school in Beslan, the terrorists first of all knocked out windows in the building and generally behaved much more disgustingly and harshly towards the hostages - so that the second Nord-Ost did not happen to them. The terrorist attack in Beslan was a direct result of the actions of the Russian security forces in the Theater Center on Dubrovka.

Information sources:
-http: //www.nord-ost.org/segodnya/nord-ost-.-10-let-spustya_ru.html
-http: //www.chuchotezvous.ru/social-disasters/154.html
-http: //www.calend.ru/event/4400
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. +13
    23 October 2012 07: 47
    Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from afar!
    1. Beck
      0
      23 October 2012 08: 31
      WHO KNOWS ANSWER.

      After the gas was applied and the special forces entered the building, did the soldiers use an antidote to the victims. Did they inject an antidote through injections.

      I remember injected? Or I'm wrong? Who knows for sure?
      1. Lech e-mine
        +3
        23 October 2012 08: 39
        What is the antidote DEAR BEK? GAS - a new development has never been spotlighted anywhere and as far as I remember the story of the specialist has unexplored side effects. Although it is beyond praise for the effectiveness of its application.
        1. Beck
          -5
          23 October 2012 09: 03
          Quote: Leha e-mine
          What is the antidote DEAR BEK?


          Respected. Of course, the ambulance doctors did not have an antidote. I meant the special forces. Already very large bags dangled on their shoulders like sanitary ones. And according to the logic of development. If a "toxic" substance is being developed, then an antidote must be developed at the same time.

          It’s just that I have long had one assumption about a large number of victims, And it all comes down to the fact that there was an antidote, and whether the special forces introduced it to the victims. After all, they did something there for half an hour, preventing anyone from entering the building.
          1. +3
            23 October 2012 17: 39
            Quote: Beck
            After all, they did something there for half an hour, preventing anyone from entering the building.

            And will explosive devices neutralize, remove stretch marks, and will uncle free explosives from explosives?
        2. Kaa
          +12
          23 October 2012 09: 37
          Quote: Leha e-mine
          Although the effectiveness of the application, it is beyond praise.

          Eternal memory to the fallen. As for efficiency, it is better to get an opinion from the outside.
          "In the special operation carried out by the Alpha group, a non-lethal chemical warfare agent was used, created on the basis of fentanyl and, presumably, halothane. A mixture of these substances is not used for peaceful purposes, but their development, production and use are not prohibited by the international Convention Thus, only two questions remain: the first is how justified our special forces used gas based on fentanyl to save most of the hostages. Here the assessments of all experts are unanimous. Vladimir Vasiliev: “It couldn't have been otherwise, otherwise everyone would have died.” To the second - a statement to the Expert Head of the Israeli Counter-Terrorism Institute in Herzliya Boaz Gaon: “During such a complex operation, the use of gas is justified, although an original solution”. The second question is whether it was possible to do with fewer victims. In our opinion, asking him today is pointless. As already mentioned, no one has yet carried out such operations. I.e there was no real experience. Under this condition, and also at the risk of losing almost a thousand human lives, not a single normal person would dare to lower the concentration below that which would guarantee the result. For the fourth, fifth time, perhaps everything would have been done more accurately. But God forbid the next time.
          My personal opinion is that the antidote was introduced, but it is not a panacea. "" According to A.Yu. Alabov's explanation. (the position is not specified, apparently, this is an employee of special forces), at about 06 - 30h (inaudible - A.P.) ... he entered the building of the Palace of Culture. He saw how the special forces fighters carried them (hostages) from the hall to the hall ... laid them on the floor, subjected them to an initial examination ... He personally saw how doctors shone torches in the eyes of the victims, pulled off the lower part of their clothes and injected them into gluteal region "... Officially there were no doctors in the lobby at 06, they also did not have an order to move forward, only later they would start picking up their patients from the steps of the recreation center. Then who could" shine with flashlights "? Aren't military chemists who continued the experiment and hastily injected their victims who were still alive, only they knew antidotes? Civilian doctors did not know the exact composition of the agent used, so they acted according to peacetime protocols. And the antidote "deciphered" among civilians could well end up not only in the hands of militants , but where else. " “The speed of this mysterious gas, according to the Financial Times, surprised the chemical weapons experts. As Julian Robinson, a professor at the University of Sussex told the newspaper, "someone has actually found a drug that can turn off a person in a matter of seconds." German doctors who monitor hostage fellow citizens who have returned to the country believe that the gas is a synthetic drug, like trimethyl fentanyl, too large doses of which are akin to an overdose of heroin with a high risk of breathing difficulties or suffocation. (based on materials from open sources.) In general - a la guerre-com a la guerre. My condolences to the relatives of the victims, but everyone could have died ...
          1. Beck
            +2
            23 October 2012 10: 25
            Quote: Kaa
            He personally saw how doctors shone flashlights into the eyes of the victims, pulled off the lower part of their clothes and injected them into the gluteal region. "


            So, Kaa. If you entered an antidote, then now I can express my assumption.

            Parterre. Special forces begin to introduce antidotes. Naturally start from the first row and the extreme places of all rows. The first to enter the antidote he survived. Mostly those who were in the middle of the stalls died .. Because it was their last turn and the antidote could no longer cope with the developed irreversible poisoning processes.
            1. Jin
              0
              23 October 2012 14: 24
              Beck,
              Or maybe so.
            2. Kaa
              0
              23 October 2012 14: 25
              Quote: Beck
              the antidote could no longer cope with the developed irreversible poisoning processes.

              I agree. There was no such crucial element as medical sorting of the affected. It was necessary to deploy a field hospital, but imagine a panic in the center of Moscow ...
        3. +1
          23 October 2012 10: 51
          Well, do not need so categorically. There are universal drugs that weaken or neutralize the effects of OM, just in case it is not possible to determine the type of damaging OM.
          1. Kaa
            0
            23 October 2012 14: 26
            Quote: Averias
            There are universal drugs that weaken or neutralize the effects of OM, just in case it is not possible to determine the type of damaging OM.

            Believe me, only in movies like Casino Royale.
      2. +2
        23 October 2012 10: 50
        They introduced it, but the number of victims was large (no one expected such an effect) and there was not enough antidote. Of course, special forces introduced who had enough and who had time.
      3. +2
        23 October 2012 11: 53
        Quote: Beck
        Did the fighters use an antidote to the victims. Did they inject an antidote through injections.

        Yes, they introduced, they said that there was not enough for everyone. Although strange, in this case, regardless of the composition of the gas, atropine is the generally accepted antidote for the defeat of NPV. It is available in the AI-4 individual first aid kit. NPOV antidote - in a syringe tube with a red cap. His fighters and stabbed. Atropine is in every ambulance. I must say right away that atropine is a systemic antidote, i.e. it is used for poisoning by any, including combat NOVO. The main problem, in my opinion, is the problem of evacuation, it was not ready. It is enough to look at the photo with the bus, transportation of the unconscious patient in this position will 100% lead to his death (choke on vomit, the tongue will "sink" and block the larynx). In this regard, there are no questions about the composition and use of gas, there are questions about the organization of the evacuation of victims. The evacuation was not properly organized, because of this, such losses.
        1. Kaa
          +1
          23 October 2012 14: 28
          Quote: Aleksys2
          I must say right away that atropine is a systemic antidote, i.e. it is used in case of poisoning by any, including combat NPOV.

          No and no again! This is for a series of sarin-soman-herd-V-gases, in this case there would be more deaths.
          1. -1
            23 October 2012 15: 44
            Quote: Kaa
            in this case, there would be more deaths.


            Why?
            Emergency care for affected nerve agents is carried out in two directions: the cessation of the intake of NPOs in the body and complex antidote therapy.
            Complex antidote therapy is based on the one hand on blocking cholinergic receptors and creating obstacles to the toxic effect of endogenous acetylcholine; on the other, on the restoration of cholinesterase activity in order to normalize the exchange of acetylcholine. Thus, the antidotes of nerve agents belong to two groups: anticholinergics and cholinesterase reactivators.
            Cholinolytic drugs are substances that prevent or stop the interaction of acetylcholine with cholinergic systems. The introduction of anticholinergics significantly alleviates poisoning: breathing becomes even, the phenomena of bronchospasm, bronchorea, hypersalivation disappear, hypoxia is eliminated. Of the group of anticholinergics, atropine is a recognized antidote.
            Due to the fact that fentanyl has a very high toxicity, even with a slight overdose of fentanyl, the cough center, myosis (severe narrowing of the pupils), the occurrence of hallucinations, a decrease in the secretory activity of the stomach, irritation of the intestinal chemoreceptors, a decrease in urination, a decrease in basic metabolism, a decrease in temperature are possible body, dizziness, headaches, increased tonus of smooth muscles, bronchospasm ureteral spasm, pain during urination, suppression of longitudinal intestinal motility, increased transverse motility of the intestine, increased tone of the antrum, inhibition of basal secretion, slowed passage of intestinal contents, dyskinesia of the large intestine, visual impairment, dyspeptic disorders, damage to the gastric mucosa, interstitious lesions fabrics pulmonary edema, hypoxia, bradycardia, cardiac arrest, significant inhibition of the respiratory center, stupor of the respiratory center of the brain and respiratory arrest.
            1. Kaa
              0
              23 October 2012 17: 18
              Quote: Aleksys2
              fentanyl has a very high toxicity, even with a slight overdose of fentanyl, the inhibition of the cough center is possible,

              Atropine potentiates the effect of fentanyl precisely in relation to the brain, where the respiratory and cough centers are located. Anesthesia just goes into a coma and brain death. Some of the doctors in the intensive care unit did just that .... Moreover, it was, as it were, not exactly the fentanyl in the directories.
              1. bask
                0
                23 October 2012 21: 00
                Kaa there apparently was nitrous oxide gas. For induction of anesthesia. And the dehydrated body simply could not stand it. It was necessary to inject adrenaline. + Oxygen. They managed to save someone they entered .... (((Sorry, but fentanyl to the respiratory center))) does not work .And so sorry for the people. But thanks to the specialists and doctors !!!
                1. Kaa
                  +1
                  24 October 2012 02: 05
                  Quote: bask
                  gas nitrous oxide. For induction of anesthesia.

                  Dear bask, nitrous oxide is a drug that works exactly as much as it is supplied in a mixture with oxygen directly into the respiratory tract, popularly - "laughing gas". And now look at the photo of the respected Lech e-mine: deep anesthesia without a mask and intubation, this is how a number of fluorothane-halothane-and so on (long-term aftereffect) works. Pay attention - deep anesthesia, breathing is either already absent, or close to that, plus the posture is heavy relaxation. As for fentanyl, I can’t excuse, in ordinary medicine, with the usual (intravenous), in small doses, it really inhibits the respiratory center less than other narcotic analgesics, BUT: its modified derivative was injected by inhalation, in an overdose to be sure to suppress ALL in the hall. The topic in civil medicine is unknown, so really, thanks to the doctors ... they saved whoever they could.
        2. Lech e-mine
          +1
          23 October 2012 16: 39
          all the same, just die
      4. Jin
        0
        23 October 2012 14: 22
        Beck,

        As far as I remember those events, there was definitely a conversation about the antidote. But is it not about his absence at the right time? I do not say how long ago it was. As far as I remember, again, at first they did not say anything about gas. I remember how special forces came in, then shots in the building, then they began to take out the hostages ... Then, how crazy they all were, how cool the specialists worked! Amer congratulated, someone else ... And then! When some time passed, after they showed the corpses of the militants and the suspended bomb in the hall. Then reports about the dead began to come, and then it started! That is, if I am not mistaken, the general public did not know about gas at first. Specialists, probably, could have injected someone from the civilians, if this was an antidote with them, they were in the know about gas 100 pounds and they themselves took it before the assault. But if so, then this was not carried out in droves. I can, of course, confuse something ...
        1. Beck
          +1
          23 October 2012 18: 17
          Jin

          Hey. Enough would be enough. After all, the calculation was done, after all, the operation was not entirely fools. There are 700 people in the hall, which means that 800 doses of antidotes are needed.

          Why am I talking about the stalls? In the last row, an injection was made. Now, in order to inject the second, the first must be taken out. They give an injection to the second and must also be taken out to give an injection to the third. And so on and so on in all rows.

          That is the reason why they reached the middle of the stall late. And the introduced antidotes to the victims, in the middle of the stalls, no longer helped.
    2. YARY
      +5
      23 October 2012 09: 46
      If the gang captures the object and I will be there, then the only thing I want is that not one of them leaves alive. What would it become law. and no matter how I want to live, I want to live in a country that takes life from a bandit for a person’s life.
      1. Ilmer
        -3
        23 October 2012 10: 45
        And what if your family and friends are at that facility? You will also sacrifice them for the sake of "not one of them left alive" ??? As they say - don’t carry bags ... Completely disastrous operation.
        1. +2
          23 October 2012 10: 55
          As they say - pi. Don’t turn over bags ..
          You correctly described your comment.
          1. Ilmer
            0
            23 October 2012 11: 09
            Quote: urzul
            You correctly described your comment.

            Yes, no, it's about lovers of hanging other people's portraits on their avatar. It would be more correct to hang that part of his body in which you so love to work with your tongue. You will never be allowed to go further than her.
        2. +2
          23 October 2012 12: 55
          Quote: Ilmer
          - pi. don’t turn over bags ... Completely failed operation

          if terrorists managed to blow up the theater center or were able to leave like in Budennovsk, that would be a failure. The special forces did their job perfectly. another thing is how the coordinators worked. Obviously, these were from an official-civilian tribe who could not properly organize assistance to the victims. So you better go tossing the bags, I hope it works better
          1. Lech e-mine
            +2
            23 October 2012 16: 44
            YES retribution reptiles still overtook.
        3. Lech e-mine
          +3
          23 October 2012 16: 43
          I can’t agree - after all, they couldn’t blow up the explosives. THIS MEANS SUCCESS IS ALREADY.
        4. 0
          24 October 2012 01: 20
          The surname Ilmer comes from the name of the village of Ilima. (This information is taken from the book "A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from the Russian Empire" ...

          PS Behave please decently, are not in the barracks
      2. Lech e-mine
        +2
        23 October 2012 16: 41
        It’s better that they die.
    3. bask
      0
      23 October 2012 13: 17
      I will say one thing ........... THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, TO ALL KILLED PEOPLE .......... And to the Terarians, so that up to the seventh generation they would be born, freaks, because these non-humans will have no other way. God is their judge .......
      1. +2
        23 October 2012 16: 21
        The kingdom of heaven means rule over the earth from heaven. Whom I will not say, maybe not the time (read the Bible). But until this happens, the relatives of the terrorist should feel pain, cold, hunger, Siberia, it is big ... And there are no innocents, children, old people ...
      2. Lech e-mine
        +2
        23 October 2012 16: 46
        yes it will be so
      3. Yarbay
        +1
        23 October 2012 23: 08
        Quote: bask
        I will say one thing ........... THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, TO ALL KILLED PEOPLE .......... And to the Terarians, so that up to the seventh generation they would be born, freaks, because these non-humans will have no other way. God is their judge .......
        So you don’t believe in God !!
        Didn’t you write yesterday that you need Slavic gods ??
  2. 0
    23 October 2012 08: 02
    A very scary date. Eternal memory of fallen innocent people.
    Post factum is much easier to think about. But acting in such a situation is very difficult. And to evaluate the results is also very difficult. Simple arithmetic is not suitable here (130 is less than 912), each life is unique.
    Doctors say correctly: prevention is easier than cure.
    1. +4
      23 October 2012 16: 56
      Everything is much simpler, every terrorist should know that he will be sewn into pork skin, and his family will be a consumable. On the organs for the victims? Yes, for anything ... HERE AND THE WHOLE Panacea! God forbid me to seize power, God forbid ...
  3. Voin sveta82
    -2
    23 October 2012 08: 03
    So live in the city ...))) even if you don’t take terrorism ... during the war ... the first disarming strike of the enemy side will be missile launch in cities ...))))
    1. 0
      23 October 2012 16: 59
      As far as I know from my grandchildren, is the warrior of light a PALADIN?
      1. 0
        23 October 2012 17: 17
        Let me know the spec? Holi Prot Retry? ...
  4. +12
    23 October 2012 08: 13
    The article leaves a very dual impression. On the one hand, much is correct in it (especially in terms of the disgusting organization of assistance to hostages after the special operation was completed), and on the other ...
    As a result, the gas used didn’t turn off people instantly; the terrorists had to be eliminated in a classical way from firearms

    But as far as I remember from an interview with the Alfovites, only a few militants were able to resist the liquidation. Maybe I'm wrong, of course, but ...
    and Vladimir Putin and the security forces staged a real tantrum

    Nobody will write me to admirers of GDP, but where does the data on tantrums come from ?!
    But this was especially "pleased"
    The attack in Beslan was a direct result of the actions of Russian security forces in the Theater Center on Dubrovka.

    For some reason, it seemed to me that the terrorist attack in Beslan was a direct result of the actions of Chechen terrorists ...
    1. +4
      23 October 2012 10: 32
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      The article leaves a very dual impression.

      This is because a liberalist is hidden behind a mask of neutrality.
      1. +5
        23 October 2012 10: 39
        And the name of the liberalist Anatoly Ermolin:
        - In 2004 he was expelled from the “United Russia” faction for “violation of parliamentary ethics”
        - In 2005, he signed a manifesto on the creation of the United Civil Front (leader - Garry Kasparov). In April 2007 he joined the Union of Right Forces. And then he became a journalist for "The new Times"
        - "Comrades generals, officers, sergeants and soldiers of the Russian special services and law enforcement agencies! I have the honor to address you as an officer and commander of a special forces operational-combat group, who has already survived in his fate that today - two days before the planned mass demonstration of Russian citizens against election fraud - most of you are going through, "the officer writes.

        "If you receive an order to use force against the protesters, especially when it comes to the use of special equipment or, God forbid, firearms, demand that the order be issued in writing," Ermolin writes. "Set a goal for yourself to protect the people against whom you will stand in combat formations ... Constantly wait and be prepared for attacks by insurgent provocateurs ... Restrain your less psychologically prepared comrades and subordinates ... Help the injured protesters, provide they should receive proper assistance in the event of arrest. Remain human under any circumstances, "- said in the address of Ermolin.
        - Expert Echo of Moscow.

        OTHERWISE THAT SUCH PEOPLE CARRY
        1. 0
          23 October 2012 11: 03
          Quote: urzul
          And the name of the liberalist Anatoly Ermolin:

          Did not know. I just guessed the article by "smell". smile hi
        2. +3
          23 October 2012 12: 45
          Sagging ....
          I’ll go, I’ll wipe the monitor with an alcohol. So as not to pick up a thread from viewing articles of such author
  5. Lech e-mine
    +4
    23 October 2012 08: 22
    According to him, the decision on the use of gas was wrong, since he did not play any role in the operation. In the event that the terrorists wanted to blow up the hall, they would have blown it up. As a result, the used gas did not instantly shut off people, the terrorists had to be eliminated by classical means from firearms, and the gas became only the cause of mass poisoning of people, which became a real tragedy.

    I can’t agree with this - I remember the story of the special forces after the assault (he said that the terrorists simply stupidly shot the sleeping people - besides, the position of their bodies was visible on the video.
    The reason for such massive casualties is the unpreparedness of the special services for the use of the new GAS. Most of the victims were simply choked with vomit, and other side things. Our ambulance doctors also did not understand what they were dealing with.

    And the shooting was mainly in the lobby where GAZ could not penetrate.
    1. +1
      23 October 2012 09: 09
      Leha e-mine
      About - stupidly shot - it was when they had already entered the hall. But as eyewitnesses (hostages) themselves said, when the gas started, both the hostages and the bandits understood this. And he did not knock out all instantly. There was just a panic. The so-called suicide bombers could activate fuses at any time, but they didn’t do so (in all likelihood, none of them were going to fall heroically and they had a plan to withdraw).
      As for the rest, everything is true. The very phase of the operation, already in the removal and first aid, was planned badly and people were actually choked with vomiting.
      1. Lech e-mine
        +3
        23 October 2012 16: 48
        that's how they fell asleep forever
    2. -6
      23 October 2012 11: 58
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      Our ambulance doctors also did not understand what they were dealing with.

      This only speaks of the professionalism of doctors, or its absence. Symptoms of NPV damage are always alone; it is NOT POSSIBLE not to recognize them! As soon as the doctor recognizes these symptoms, he is obliged to inject ATROPIN, and then wrinkle his brain further.
      1. +2
        24 October 2012 01: 34
        You are right about atropine, but it is useless without hyperventilation of the lungs, at least in such cases. And besides, even a small overdose can lead to anything, even death.
  6. skychnii
    +6
    23 October 2012 08: 25
    When such attacks take place, the question is not to save everyone, but to save as much as possible.
    1. +2
      23 October 2012 09: 12
      skychnii
      Alfa veterans themselves say that the best hostage rescue operation is when everything is carried out without a single shot being fired.
  7. -13
    23 October 2012 09: 02
    so many people died, children innocent, horror! And you are gas and gas! In my opinion, the leaders of the operation themselves did not know what the use of this tool would lead to.
    The only thing offensive, it was necessary to knit the terrorists and not to shoot the sleeping ones! And a model court!
    1. +13
      23 October 2012 09: 16
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      it was necessary to knit the terrorists and not to shoot the sleeping ones! And a model court!

      To judge is to prove guilt and to justify. Time, lawyers, tearful tantrums of the media. What for? Caught red-handed and shot like mad dogs. No vessels, processes, etc. It is incorrect to blame specialists for any errors. It is easy to argue retroactively. But making decisions in operational circumstances is very difficult.
      1. dom.lazar
        0
        23 October 2012 20: 18
        to judge - then everything that stands behind them will come out
        and this was absolutely not necessary for the Kremlin leadership
        so they cleared everyone to zero without paying any sacrifice among the hostages
        1. Hoosiberian
          +1
          23 October 2012 21: 15
          Was there any other way to resolve that situation? Well, tell us how the special forces acted ?!
          (As I remember now, when all this happened, I watched how terrorists entangled and mined everything, I said mine only with gas, or peacefully, nothing else, it happened ...)
    2. Beck
      +6
      23 October 2012 09: 25
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      it was necessary to knit the terrorists and not to shoot the sleeping ones!


      What to knit? This is the enemy. The enemy is merciless and not merciful if he took civilians hostage. He was repeatedly asked to surrender. And when the enemy does not give up, what are they doing? They are destroying it.
    3. Lech e-mine
      +4
      23 October 2012 09: 57
      there must be widespread practice for terrorists — he committed a crime against innocent people (women, children, the elderly), wait for a bullet in the forehead during YOUR FULL LIFE.
      IT WILL BE BETTER BETTER IF THIS BULLET he will receive before the crime.
      1. Lech e-mine
        +1
        23 October 2012 16: 50
        no matter how cool a terrorist would be, a bullet would stop him anyway
      2. 0
        24 October 2012 12: 40
        Any terrorist should know that his relatives will suffer. Like any killer, he must piss from fear, shit for himself, only at the thought of a terrorist attack. Punishment must be inevitable and guaranteed. The corpse (or the remains) is sewn into pork skin. And the relatives of these scum even on the bodies for the victims to make out. I give a guarantee that there will be fewer people. If it doesn’t work out for good, then you can try for bad ...
    4. +1
      23 October 2012 10: 23
      I see no need for "courts" in such situations. God forbid there is a clever lawyer who will ruin the case. Suddenly there is not enough evidence, or something ........
      Correctly shot, sleeping, sleepless .....
    5. 0
      23 October 2012 11: 46
      if, as a result of the trial, they would be hanged in the square, I would agree with you, but unfortunately, this would not be
    6. -1
      23 October 2012 11: 50
      Baron Wrangel
      The killing of terrorists during an operation is a worldwide practice. In principle, it is believed that if the special forces are resolving the problem by force and there is a threat to the hostages, then they will definitely destroy everyone on the spot. But on the other hand, it was really possible to leave several bandits for investigation, but they did not give information.
      Nevertheless - plus.
  8. Lech e-mine
    +3
    23 October 2012 09: 09
    Dear Baron Wrangel
    All the same, you won’t bring people back to life. We just have to draw some conclusions from everything that happened, if only for the reason that AGAIN HAPPENED WITH US AND OUR CHILDREN.

    For this, we need to find out all the details of what happened. (After all, a lot of ambiguities remained in this matter)

    For example: who is the customer?
    how a gang of terrorists was able to freely get to MOSCOW.?
    Why wasn’t such a large-scale preparation for the terrorist attack discovered in time?
    who trained the terrorists?
    where was the explosive mined?
    HOW ARE WEAPONS AND EXPLOSIVES MOSCOW? and then?
    1. Lech e-mine
      0
      23 October 2012 16: 51
      rich arsenal of fighters
    2. dom.lazar
      +1
      23 October 2012 20: 22
      when the security service itself orders terrorist attacks and neutralizes itself, then you will receive answers to all your questions
      Beslan tragedy with the same roots
      like all large-scale terrorist attacks against civilians
      you still remember please the plane crashed onto the Pentagon and evaporated so that no one saw it and there was nothing left of it
      or FSB exercises in Volgodonsk
  9. +2
    23 October 2012 09: 23
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    it was necessary to knit the terrorists and not to shoot the sleeping ones! And a model court!

    The court would be closed, such an open court does not judge! Further, all survivors would make a great contribution to the development of terr. events sharing information and doing work on the bugs. Some participants would be released in two years, especially suicide bombers. The best show court is to show the bodies of terrorists. I remember that one was left alive, but then they talked about his incomplete sanity.
  10. Captain Vrungel
    +9
    23 October 2012 09: 38
    Special Forces soldiers fulfilled their task traditionally clearly, despite the lack of leadership. And the higher the headquarters of the leadership, the more stupid and sometimes criminal decisions that we have the opportunity to observe more than once. The actions of the special forces in Nord-Ost were included in the counterparts of the training of special forces of many countries, as the head of special operations in Israel said with respect.
    The terrible tragedy that took away so many lives showed that not everything is safe and that the relevant services are not doing exactly that, allowing such a concentration of militants and weapons. There are bastards informants and accomplices among "Muscovites" who recognize one value - the president on a green piece of paper. Without these critters, bandits are blind kittens in a strange city.
    Well, the "concern" of the leadership was visible to everyone on TV, when the soldiers carried the victims onto the asphalt in the rain on themselves and again rushed into the hall for the next.
    Just thanks to the special forces for what they are, they are doing the job, correcting errors that are difficult to imagine.
    The eternal memory of the fallen heroes, not the audience (they were not there), but the direct participants in these military operations.
  11. ded_73
    +1
    23 October 2012 09: 39
    And all because key positions EVERYWHERE are occupied not by professionals, but by "their" people. What is needed is not smart, but devotees, ready at any moment to salute, click their heels and answer - Yes! and execute ANY order.
    And there the grass does not grow.
    For ordinary fighters - respect, for the dead - the kingdom of heaven.
    1. +1
      23 October 2012 11: 07
      I remember the drooping mustache and running eyes of Gryzlov, the then head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Neither resignation, nor a bullet in the forehead. Transferred to a new job in the State Duma, where he demonstrated his loyalty for so many years. It is a pity for people who were held hostage not only by militants, but also by such always obedient but useless leaders.
  12. kasper
    +5
    23 October 2012 10: 05
    I remember how the rescued were grateful to the special services, and now, apparently, the memory has deteriorated, since they are being filed with their own rescuers in the ECHR with a demand for compensation for "wrong salvation." It should be a shame !!!
    1. +8
      23 October 2012 10: 20
      They are filed by relatives who were literally convinced that everyone could be easily and simply saved, although it is not clear where such assurances from "experts" come from.
      After all, to release more than 900 hostages in a mined building and a bunch of suicide bombers in my opinion before that, there were not a single special. peace service. One wrong step and the victims would not be 130, but more than 900.
      1. 0
        24 October 2012 13: 04
        Imagine whether it was possible to organize the arrival of a thousand ambulances? Despite the fact that no one knew what to deal with? In Germany (and in other countries too), there have been cases when all the hostages died during the release, every one of them. Your "swamp" trash excites the relatives of the victims, tears the stitches on their unhealed wounds, this is very low ... vile ... Victory (or success) has thousands of fathers, and tragedy is always an orphan ...
        1. Hoosiberian
          0
          24 October 2012 13: 27
          Perhaps it was necessary, as they said above, to deploy a field hospital near Nord-Ost, not to be afraid of panic and hype, but to do it. So that the terror understand that everything is serious.
  13. +7
    23 October 2012 10: 42
    Alpha - glory! To terrorists - burn in hell, damned creatures ..
  14. 0
    23 October 2012 10: 47
    How much fewer victims and jobs would be for Vympel and Alfa if the FSB were not engaged in protecting business, but in fulfilling their duties for at least 4 with a minus ...
  15. +7
    23 October 2012 10: 57
    Here you can talk and argue for a long time. I have the impression that this article appeared after yesterday's program "Military Secret", where this tragedy was covered. I don’t understand one thing, what claims to the special forces (Alpha), the guys went blind, everyone would have died in the explosion. Moreover, an operation of such a scale (these are not training buses and planes) to storm - was carried out for the first time. There were no such precedents in the world. Damn, all the special forces of the world gave the highest rating to our Alpha. And we are still trying to find the last one. We are not looking there.
    1. +5
      23 October 2012 12: 07
      It's just that most people who criticized Alpha, in my opinion, have seen enough of the American militants.
      And the article is not a tribute to memory or an attempt to evaluate events.
      This is just an attempt to tarnish power by stomping on the graves of 130 people.
    2. -3
      23 October 2012 12: 44
      I can not agree that there were no such operations. For me in this regard, the standard is the assault on the Japanese embassy in Peru in 1997. Although this does not in the least diminish the feat of our special forces. I just really wanted to have as many living people as possible. http://www.agentura.ru/dossier/peru/specnaz/?print=Y
      1. 0
        23 October 2012 12: 57
        December 17 1996 14 terrorists were captured by the Japanese embassy with five hundred guests there, gathered to celebrate the 63 anniversary of Emperor Akihito.

        The invaders demanded a review of the neoliberal government reforms, the release of 400 participants in the movement and the resignation of Fujimori. Soon, most of the hostages were released, and no harsh measures were applied to the remaining hostages at the 76 embassy. The invaders treated the hostages very humane, allowed them to receive programs from relatives and even established companionship with some of them. Meanwhile, Fujimori's assistants were choosing the moment to conduct the force capture operation, using information from one of the hostages, a former Navy officer in Peru, to do this. April 22 1997 Fujimori ordered the start of the operation, codenamed Chavin de Ouantar, in honor of Peru's famous archaeological site. 140 special forces fighters launched an assault on the embassy while 12 of the 14 invaders played football. Taken aback, they showed no resistance, so the hostages were released in a matter of minutes. During the operation, two servicemen and one hostage were killed, all rebels were destroyed by the capture group.

        There would be no one to save to the Nord Ost in months. There were no suicide bombers in Peru ready for anything
  16. neodymium
    +4
    23 October 2012 11: 22
    Good people died.

    Eternal memory to them.

    We will not forget.

    PS

    Greetings to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the "duzi" ihnim ..., those who paid money for the lives of our people.
    Yes, and do not hesitate to do it now.
    1. Lech e-mine
      +7
      23 October 2012 11: 45
      I am particularly interested - who is the CUSTOMER of this crime?

      I assume that the threads lead to the SAUDITS in Qatar.
      This hotbed of terrorism in our country and around the world is also time
      process with some kind of potent tool.
      1. Kaa
        +2
        23 October 2012 14: 33
        Quote: Leha e-mine
        I assume that the threads lead to the SAUDITS in Qatar.

        Immediately after the attack, it smelled strongly of the actions of the CIA, do not laugh, according to experts, then these conversations, as if on command, subsided.
        1. Lech e-mine
          +1
          23 October 2012 16: 37
          All options in this case must be considered WHO IT NEEDED AT THIS TIME INTERVAL.
          Remember at that time militants and mercenaries were crushed in Chechnya in all directions - the main flow of money for them came from SAUDI ARABIA, the same Khattab also came from these parts, Wahhabism also came from there. .
          The CIA will not risk such an event taking too much risk of being burnt. So I think the Saudis are most involved in this terrorist attack.
          1. Kaa
            +1
            24 October 2012 02: 26
            Quote: Leha e-mine

            All options in this case must be considered WHO IT NEEDED AT THIS TIME INTERVAL.

            Consider another option from an interview with Yevgeny Satanovsky's Free Press. Both Nord-Ost and the 11/XNUMX terrorist attack are behind a specific person - the Saudi prince Turki Al-Faisal. He is the creator and curator of Al-Qaeda, the creator of the Saudi muharabats (services This is the man who was responsible for the entire war against us in Afghanistan, and organized the formation of "Afghan Arabs" (inter-brigades, - "SP") from people who were transported in thousands to Afghanistan on "jihad cruises" - under the control of local jihadist camps , including bin Laden.
            Turks Al-Faisal then was responsible for the transfer of "Afghan Arabs" around the world. For example, in Chechnya, and in the Balkans during the collapse of Yugoslavia. This is exactly the person who is responsible for the September 11 attack. It is no coincidence that he was removed a month before the attack, in order to avoid a scandal with the United States, from the post of head of the Saudi intelligence Al-Istahbarat. It should be noted that with great humor, Al-Faisal was later appointed Ambassador of Saudi Arabia to America. He was the ambassador to America, to Great Britain ... So, in those days when we had a terrorist attack on Dubrovka, Turki Al-Faisal was in Moscow. And the famous phrase of Vladimir Putin addressed to George Bush that Iraq should not be smashed with al-Qaeda, but pay attention to Saudi Arabia is the result of the very visit of Turki Al-Faisal. From my personal point of view, this visit was a kind of exam, which al-Faisal students took his students.
            "SP": - By the students of his students do you mean Movsar Barayev?
            - Yes. A separate topic is what Turki Al-Faisal wanted, what he offered. Whether he believed the operation in Nord-Ost to be a kind of pressure on Russia, or wanted some kind of exchange, during which he would act as a hero in a white tailcoat, and save everyone, and then everyone would hang himself on his neck - also a separate issue. But recalling the September 11 attacks and the Nord-Ost, I say: big greetings to Russia and America from Turki Al-Faisal.
            "SP": - We will return to this moment. What are Turki Al-Faisal's global interests?
            - Al-Faisal once said: if Iran has an atomic bomb, Saudi Arabia will certainly act in the same direction.
            Clearly, he did not mean that the brilliant mathematicians and physicists of Saudi Arabia would now invent the atomic bomb. He was referring to the transfer of the Pakistani nuclear complex - in whole or in part - to Saudi territory. What else during the time of the Pakistani leader Muhammad Ziya-ul-Haq were relevant agreements. No wonder Pakistani nuclear weapons are called the “Saudi bomb.”
            “SP”: - And now: what interested Turki Al-Faisal when he came to Moscow?
            - Some Russian defense enterprises and the Russian nuclear industry - as far as I can tell. This is my personal opinion, which I will not confirm with the names of the sources.
            “SP”: - And what kind of exchanges could he offer?
            - You never know what rich Saudis can offer! It could be an investment exchange. Or the settlement of issues related to the fact that "our jihad (in Saudi Arabia, -" joint venture ") is under control." In a word, Hindi Russi Bhai Bhai (in Hindi - “Indians and Russians are brothers”, “SP”), only in the Saudi version. This is an old racketeering scheme: hitting - rolling back. They ran into you - and now we’ll divorce everything, everything will be fine. It works with the Americans - why shouldn’t it work with us ?!
            "SP": - It worked?
            - Not really. But our Saudi brothers said to themselves: well, it's not evening yet.
            Read more: http://mnenia.zahav.ru/Articles/229/nord_ost_organizoval_saudi_prince#ixzz2AACgT
            Hb7
  17. +2
    23 October 2012 12: 14
    Dubrovka did not end and the attempt to mark the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attack with a new one in the CO reminds of this! Not all toilets are cleaned!
    1. DIMS
      0
      23 October 2012 12: 19
      In the North Ossetia, something else happened. Another attempt to push Ossetians and Ingush
  18. +4
    23 October 2012 12: 44
    Let's remember the dead hostages. Eternal memory to them.
    Burn in hell to all those who decided that they have the right to take the life of the innocent to achieve their goals.
    Special Forces gratitude and glory for courage and professionalism.
    To the leaders of the entire operation and the country as a whole, a shame and a black spot on their conscience (if they have one, which I doubt). And do not make excuses, they say there were no precedents. Moreover, there is no need to justify
    Quote: urzul
    After all, to release more than 900 hostages in a mined building and a bunch of suicide bombers in my opinion before that, there were not a single special. peace service
    . Always have to do something for the first time. And every first battle has no precedent for its participant.
    The liberation just passed as favorably as possible. Without losses among special forces and without the actuation of explosive devices. terrorists. But why are there so many victims among the hostages? Why is the rescue and transportation service for the victims not organized (or organized very badly). Why such a mess? Yes, because it was NOT IMPORTANT TO THE MANAGEMENT HOW MUCH THE DAYS OF THE HOSTAGES DID It doesn’t matter at all. It was important to destroy the terrorists at any cost. It was important to make it clear to all their followers that such actions were not effective. How much, and whom, and where hostages will not be taken, the Authority will not go to negotiations and concessions.
    The terrorists did not believe ... And there was Beslan ....
    1. psdf
      0
      23 October 2012 14: 23
      Quote: Normal
      To the leaders of the entire operation and the country as a whole, a shame and a black spot on their conscience (if they have one, which I doubt). And do not make excuses, they say there were no precedents. Moreover, there is no need to justify

      Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing a battle from afar (s)
      Apparently you have (and suggested) such a better structure, experience, tactics for conducting such operations, and their support. Share where to read your works, offers.
      1. Lech e-mine
        +1
        23 October 2012 16: 57
        SNIP Squad VITYAZ-specials in their field.
        amateurs should not fight terrorists.
      2. +2
        23 October 2012 18: 18
        Quote: psdf
        Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing a battle from afar (s)

        And where did you see me; "Should have done wrong, but like this"?
        Quote: psdf
        Apparently you have (and suggested) such a better structure, experience, tactics for carrying out such operations, their support

        And where does the structure of experience and tactics? All of the above worked perfectly, read the post carefully.
        But ensuring the rescue of the hostages was completely failed. It was written about this in the article and it was said a lot and more than once. Just do not argue that there was no experience of salvation during mass poisoning. This is an elementary "civil defense". In every large city there are cold factories where toxic substances are used. And the actions of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and Medicine catastrophe are worked out in advance.
        In the case of Dubrovka, everything happened just like that, because not the rescue of the hostages was the main task
        The main task was to show all the leaders and followers of the terrorists that this tactic does not work. That there will be no triumphant return of the militants to their homeland as it happened before. There will be no convoys of buses with Chechen banners from the windows, shooting from machine guns and shouts of "Allah Akbar!" There will be no reports on all world TV channels and interviews with leading media outlets. Nothing will happen.
        There will be a bunch of corpses ... and it doesn’t matter to the authorities how many hostages will die. Pagan, talented bastards will justify everything and convince everyone that otherwise it was not possible, and inconspicuous gray people will talk
        with the chief editors of the media and convince them that there is no need to "rock the boat"
        The first time the Chechens did not understand. They thought that if they took children hostage (Beslan), then the authorities would save and fulfill their demands.
        What was then known to everyone ... More major hostage-taking did not occur.
        I do not blame and do not justify power, but the realization that my life and the life of my loved ones means nothing to the authorities and does not cost anything does not allow me to consider this power to be my own.
        Eternal memory to the fallen, they paid for our peace with their death.
    2. Lech e-mine
      +2
      23 October 2012 16: 54
      BESLAN - the handwriting of the ACTION of terrorists who seized children is exactly the same as in NORTH-OST.
      1. Anti
        0
        23 October 2012 23: 53
        Journalists are prohibited by law from filming and broadcasting reports until the completion of the special operation. For refusal, shoot on the spot. They created the conditions for onlookers, the latter blocked all the entrances to the place, from that and so many dead.
  19. psdf
    0
    23 October 2012 14: 18
    It is sad that such articles appear on such dates.
    In the event that the terrorists wanted to blow up the hall, they would blow it up.

    Yeah, but they just came to visit, they wanted to feed them chocolate.
  20. +1
    23 October 2012 17: 31
    Today I read an article from Events: 10th anniversary of Nord-Ost. How it was ... (told somehow closer to my attitude)

    "" "... QUESTION: A lot of media outlets blamed the SGB units for the number of victims that were there. What really happened?

    S. Shavrin: In reality, this is a unique, brilliantly performed operation on the part of the power attendant. No one denies this, and, first of all, even our colleagues from Israel acknowledged this, who literally in a week planned to come to us in Russia and very persistently asked: “Guys, tell me? let me meet How did you do that?"
    Yes! We have learned to fight terrorists at nuclear and chemical facilities, in transport, with one or two drunks who seized Sberbank or an apartment. We know how to evict a block, demolish an apartment so that no one would live there for 20 years ... And here there are about forty terrorists, a huge number of hostages, a huge territory. This is not ten to twenty square meters of space, it is several hundred square meters. Nobody knows where the people are. The building is mined. And any of them is able to activate this explosive device. All. Before this, such operations had never been carried out, respectively, they were not more successful, therefore, apparently, there were some tactical miscalculations on the part of the leadership. But they can hardly be called miscalculations, because until the end no one believed that there would be an assault ... "" "

    http://perevodika.ru/articles/22150.html
    or http://ashmul.livejournal.com/150720.html

    And this minus article.
  21. +1
    23 October 2012 18: 16
    History will judge, but what killed the critters is a good success.
  22. +2
    23 October 2012 18: 40
    the terrorist should only be dead am
  23. wolverine7778
    +1
    23 October 2012 18: 49
    For special forces, I think there is no complaint. They did their best! But with the coordination of individual services there were problems. If anyone is to blame for the deaths, it’s the leadership of a number of services and it’s bad that they didn’t leave a single militant alive, it seems he could tell a lot in court)
    1. s1н7т
      0
      23 October 2012 22: 53
      You're right! The media worked for good reason. Only in the Alpha of the USSR was it believed that if 1 hostage was injured, their fault. And they didn’t leave the living fighters just so that they wouldn’t tell anything in court.
  24. dom.lazar
    -9
    23 October 2012 20: 27
    naive people you are residents of Russia
    the ears of your special services stick out of most of the attacks
    and you naive believe in some kind of mythical terrorists who behave for some reason like complete idiots (obviously fake people) or disappear without a trace like in Beslan under the guise of a schukher called an assault
    read Kungurov - there is very good chewed for you
    1. Hoosiberian
      +3
      23 October 2012 21: 21
      Who is Kungurov ?! This is your relative, Kungurov ?! You rave, and your delirium is contagious. I can still assume that there are questions about one house, but on the Nord-Ost and Beslan .., stupidity. The special services lost more on this than they would have received if your phantasmogoric conclusion were true.
      1. s1н7т
        -1
        23 October 2012 23: 00
        Sorry, you yourself are delusional. "Special services" have not lost anything at all. They acquired - financing, the law on terrorism, etc. crap is a plus. But the chief FSB officer, the policeman, was not dismissed, those who decided to kill 130 fellow citizens were not imprisoned! I don't like what the Yeltsin-Putin-Medvedev-Putin state turned into!
        1. Hoosiberian
          +2
          24 October 2012 10: 46
          Quote: c1n7
          They got - financing,

          And then they had not before!
          The law on terrorism? And fine, I don’t feel it on myself at all, let it be. But the minuses are complete, wild horror everywhere for unprofessionalism, corpses, including among their special forces, the discrediting of Russia in the world arena, the nervousness of investors, etc. I don’t know .. and I do not see Beslan.
          And on the account of those killed in Nord, I think that these losses were forced and the question was either 1000 or 130. Of course, I would like less ... Another thing is that the rescue operation was prepared for failure, that's for sure, the special forces worked out their own surgically.
      2. dom.lazar
        -4
        24 October 2012 02: 48
        for stupid again I advise you to first read all the same what people write about and then bear it is nonsense
        that is, at home in Volgodonsk you type agree and Beslan is probably in another department developed laughing
        special services just got all the wild influence and abundant funding
        Yes, all the terrorist attacks in which I'm sorry, but all the performers are some kind of idiots, these are obviously dummy people whom they put in to create scapegoats
        you still remember about Osama bin Laden - there was such a virtual character - no one saw him but all the evil (including the Pentagon rocket) - too, his job laughing
        1. Hoosiberian
          0
          24 October 2012 10: 34
          If someone Kungurov clearly proves his theory (on Russian terrorist attacks) - I will read it for sure. Proof of. Are they there? Or, again, blah blah blah? Dreamers and manipulators lately more and more, and evidence is less.
          1. 0
            24 October 2012 10: 43
            I haven't read Kungurov. I think that the involvement of the special services is nonsense. Nevertheless, I am going to read this nonsense on the principle of "you need to know the enemy by sight"
    2. Anti
      -1
      23 October 2012 23: 22
      and you will be treated .. wassat
  25. Hoosiberian
    0
    23 October 2012 21: 17
    Yes, as I remember now those days ... Everyone was worried, there was a fierce kneading, scary, so many women, children ... Even so, even so ...
  26. Yarbay
    +1
    23 October 2012 23: 12
    In general, in all terrorist attacks there are countries that say that very influential people helped and helped even these terrorists !!
  27. mazdie
    0
    23 October 2012 23: 18
    My condolences to the families of the dead, to strangle the creatures !!!
  28. Anti
    -1
    23 October 2012 23: 31
    Of course they were controlled from behind a hillock and don’t go to the grandmother. Mogue from Turkey, maybe Saudis, but many could ..
    1. Yarbay
      +1
      23 October 2012 23: 48
      Quote: Anti
      Of course they were controlled from behind a hillock and don’t go to the grandmother. Mogue from Turkey, maybe Saudis, but many could ..

      I meant that they were helped and controlled from Russia!
      People are highly placed and having great opportunities!
      IMHO
      1. Anti
        -1
        23 October 2012 23: 52
        Quote: Yarbay
        I meant that they were helped and controlled from Russia!
        People are highly placed and having great opportunities!


        what is it for them? meaning? where such confidence?
        1. Yarbay
          0
          24 October 2012 00: 34
          Quote: Anti
          what is it for them? meaning? where such confidence?

          Well, I will give only some points !!
          The main accused of house bombings, a certain Gochayaev, if memory is unsuccessful, was released from the pre-trial detention center in Pyatigorsk a month before the attacks !!
          Some women suicide bombers on Dubrovka, were supposed to be in colonies and had long been detained, but they ended up in the theater and there were many such moments!
          1. +3
            24 October 2012 00: 45
            Alibek! something I have the last days an irresistible desire to break the mat! maybe you can answer the question: God gave me an all-seven friends of enemies! But why did he make fools?
            1. Yarbay
              +1
              24 October 2012 01: 22
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Alibek! something I have the last days an irresistible desire to break the mat! maybe you can answer the question: God gave me an all-seven friends of enemies! But why did he make fools?

              Ruslan, I try to be honest even with myself and whom God has created for him to know better, the main thing is for us to live so that later we will not be ashamed of him !!
              I can change little, but much would be done if such an opportunity!
              1. +2
                24 October 2012 01: 26
                I agree ! maybe it just rolled-23 10 85 I was drafted into the Soviet Army and then 27 years have passed and how much has changed and happened during this time! whole life
                1. Yarbay
                  +1
                  24 October 2012 01: 35
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  I agree ! maybe it just rolled-23 10 85 I was drafted into the Soviet Army and then 27 years have passed and how much has changed and happened during this time! whole life

                  In bad times we were born !!
                  so many global events have happened in these few years that sometimes you feel like an old man !!
                  After all, we were not given a choice how we want to live!
                  1. +2
                    24 October 2012 02: 00
                    It’s not for nothing that the Chinese curse is for you to live in an era of change. But those who survive are no longer being kept on promises and promises and children are taught the same thing so that maybe everything is not in vain, but for the distant future I already have something to say to my grandson
          2. Beck
            +1
            24 October 2012 08: 21
            MAY be all actions and terrorist attacks in those years were coordinated by special services. I repeat - maybe.

            Situation. There is a full-scale war in Chechnya. The world community condemns this war, calling it liberation from Chechnya. Inside the country, dissatisfaction with large losses among Russian soldiers is growing. More and more voices are heard - but, in general, why do we need the Caucasus. Fence it with barbed wire and let them live as they want. Let their teips explode each other.

            The intelligence departments read these sentiments. And the leadership decides to conduct a series of events with the aim of turning Russia's world public opinion and public opinion from supporting Chechnya and to show that in Chechnya it is not a liberation movement, but terrorism and banditry. They say that the people of Chechnya themselves want to live as part of Russia, but bandits interfere with this.

            If we take such assumptions as a basis, then all the terrorist acts of those times, which look strange, both in their execution and in the manner of their elimination, logically fall into the plan of the special services ..

            Dubrovka is described here. Explosions of houses throughout Russia did not bring any benefit to the separatists. Beslan. Children. Usually, in such cases, lengthy, debilitating negotiations are conducted. Some concessions are made, rescuing as many hostages as possible under these concessions. In Beslan, as in Dubrovka, there is none of this. (In Peru, the leadership negotiated with the terrorists for about a month). The reason for the start of the tragedy in Beslan could be a sniper shot. The terrorist who took off the pedal of an explosive device. A programmer explosion inside the school. And it began.

            This is only an assumption, but an assumption.
            1. Lech e-mine
              0
              24 October 2012 08: 35
              There is another fantastic option - the presence of a third party. How to eliminate a competitor? You need to get him into a fight with someone, let him break his forehead at best. And while he is being treated, you can calmly turn things around in his garden. I really can’t figure out what kind of competitors we can have.
        2. +1
          24 October 2012 02: 10
          You ask for what? Well, for example, remove the minister or official and in his place put his own person who will decide issues in their favor and not a competitor
          1. Anti
            -1
            24 October 2012 07: 23
            On the mat, and sometimes I have hots, but in order to change the minister, do this .... that certainly was made by your god fools ..
      2. dom.lazar
        0
        24 October 2012 02: 49
        oh the first sober comment wink
  29. -3
    24 October 2012 07: 49
    only in Russia, having killed 130 of its citizens in power, it is enough conscience to declare it a victory over terrorists ... with the same success, it was possible to immediately blow up the entire building with all those who were there without any negotiations ...

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