The Pentagon will supply Kyiv with Titan systems to combat the Geran-2 UAV and a new batch of HIMARS installations

The Pentagon has published another list of weapons and military equipment that will be transferred to the army of the Kyiv regime. This list suggests that the United States will continue to supply Ukraine with shock weapon, gradually increasing its supply. If by now the United States claimed that no more than 16 Hymars universal rocket launchers were delivered to the Kyiv military, now it is planned to transfer 18 such MLRS at once.

It is noteworthy that recently an article was published in a major American publication NYT, where the author tries to convince readers (and indirectly Russia) that HIMARS do not have the effectiveness that the Ukrainian military had hoped for. The American author claims that the rocket launchers "did not allow disrupting the logistics of the Russian army." At the same time, the article of the American edition does not say anything about how much damage the Ukrainian troops "Haymars" caused to civilian infrastructure from Kherson to Donetsk, how many civilian casualties the strikes using HIMARS led to.

If these installations “are not effective,” then why is the Pentagon transferring another 18 units to the Zelensky regime? The answer is simple: the United States is trying to belittle the role of these weapons in the conflict in Donbass and distance itself from the conflict itself, continuing to present itself as a "state that is not a party to it."

The United States intends to transfer an unnamed amount of ammunition to the installations themselves. Also, 300 Humvee armored vehicles and tactical vehicles for towing equipment will be delivered to Ukraine. They are also going to supply four dozen army trucks and twice as many trailers.

Attention is also drawn to such an item of planned deliveries as countermeasure systems drones. These are Titan systems. Such a delivery is clearly related to the activation of attack unmanned aerial vehicles, which in recent weeks have caused serious damage to the Ukrainian military and infrastructure - in Odessa, Krivoy Rog, Ochakov, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk and beyond. With the help of Titan, the Kyiv troops, with active support from the US military, will try to counteract the Geran-2 loitering ammunition, which Kiev calls Iranian drones "Shahed-136".

Recall that earlier, due to military supplies to Russia by Iran, Zelensky announced a decrease in the level of diplomatic relations with Tehran and at the same time called on Israel to provide intelligence on Russian-Iranian military-technical contacts. Iran expressed regret, saying that it is in the interests of the country to end the conflict in Ukraine as soon as possible.

Comments

[SKVichyakow]

They are supplied to continue shelling the population of the "rebellious" regions. They need to vent their anger to someone.

[Wesker gorlovka]

They still do not understand, especially do not remember 2014.
The more we were shelled, the more we became, and not vice versa.

[Maxim G]

Which is characteristically supplied by HIMARS, and not by strike drones and loitering ammunition.
The conclusion suggests itself.

[sgrabik]

Loitering ammunition is just the same delivered, this is SwichBlade, only their effectiveness is not high, but the very fact of their delivery takes place.

[Maxim G]

It was about those that fly long distances.

[dmi.pris1]

They supply a wider range of products there than they say. An example is anti-radar missiles.

[Maxim G]

It was about the announced delivery, in which only serious weapons.

[Heaven]

Is the West really tired of helping Ukraine? In August-September, weapons were supplied for almost 10 billion, and this is only what was openly announced. Perhaps there are hidden supplies. A strange kind of tiredness.

[Nexcom]

and promise to pay off another 12.4 lard in the form of assistance. True, they reported that Ze would only drop 3 lard. the rest will be spent on the military-industrial complex of amers, which will transfer weapons and ammunition.

[Asad]

Well, capitalists, why are Lockheed Martins happy to work for free. To whom is the war and to whom is the mother dear.

[lis-ik]

Quote from Heaven

Is the West really tired of helping Ukraine? In August-September, weapons were supplied for almost 10 billion, and this is only what was openly announced. Perhaps there are hidden supplies. A strange kind of tiredness.

And why should they be tired? Thanks to the game of giveaway and "everything goes according to plan", the weapon arrives safely, now they think and have confidence that the investment was not wasted.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

And this lend-lease has not even begun yet.

[Uprun]

Heroes 50/50 use himars, half goes to nightmare civilians ..... we will see what changes after the referendum, by 10.10.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX I hope something will become clear .... Option two - something radically will change or nothing will change .... militarily .... If nothing changes, sadness, again the "infantry" will have to take the rap .... for untouched bridges, dual-use infrastructure .... Hiking at the top they are testing the patience of a multinational people .... but it is not unlimited ......

[Lech from Android.]

When will the logistics chains of the Anglo-Saxons to Ukraine finally be destroyed?
In six months, this could have been done a hundred times ... and the enemy’s equipment continued to flow to the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... very bad, gentlemen, generals.

[Nastia makarova]

it’s not real, here it would be possible to hold the front, and then destroy all the logistics

[Nexcom]

Is it really that hard for us?
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[Foundling]

Have you heard something about Balakliya and the Kharkov region? About the red estuary?

[Nastia makarova]

Yes, it’s hard, there are no troops of the RF Ministry of Defense, someone broke the contract after months of fighting and most are currently on vacation, volunteers and LDNR are fighting

[Nexcom]

I'm sorry if so....

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[Nastia makarova]

it's a pity but a soldier can't always be at the forefront, you need rest

[Uprun]

All, not all ...., but at the front it won’t get any better if the stream of supplies turns into a river ....,

[Nastia makarova]

every day news about the destroyed warehouses, part of the streams stop

[SSA]

It's impossible. How do you imagine that? Bomb the roadbed from Rzeszow, on the territory of Ukraine, with calibers? So it, this road, will be restored in 2 hours.

[Uprun]

Dual-use infrastructure - TV and radio towers, power plants, railway structure, bridges, tunnels, etc. ... and border railway stations are the first goal ...

[SSA]

A strike on railway tracks or on a highway will not interrupt the supply line, all this is repaired in half a day.
Vehicles are brought in by road.
Towers and other infrastructure do not affect the supply of weapons to Ukraine at all.

[Uprun]

Communication towers do not affect, tunnels, bridges and overpasses do not affect, railway communications do not affect, power plants do not affect ... and then what affects?

[SSA]

Affects only the capture of territory, the impossibility of supply

[Beck69]

Railway and auto bridges, tunnels, power stations, railway substations, take out everything, anyway junk "of the times of Ochakov and the conquest of Crimea"

[Foundling]

And what is surprising in the supply of "Western partners" weapons to Kyiv? You can only hear nonsense, like "if they put tanks, we will hit NATO." In Korea, we shot down each other, the alley of moments, the pilot LiSiTsyn and no inter-bloc war happened. Since then absolutely nothing has changed. Just like in military textbooks. To defeat and defeat a 30 millionth country with a mob reserve of 5 million. At least you need to assemble your own multimillion-strong group. And you need to be prepared for multiple losses of fighters in order to achieve the complete demilitarization and de-occupation of Ukraine. Everything else is fantasy. It would be good to weigh all this before the start, and not discover in the process what can be gleaned from textbooks on military affairs and history.

[Bolt cutter]

In Korea we hit each other

The USSR fought in Korea. And China.

[Foundling]

With mattresses. And shot down without regret. And no interbloc wars. Therefore, even if those transferred along with the F16 pilots appear on the outskirts, no war with NATO will occur. It's just that the pilot Spencer will become Spencerenko, for example, by analogy with LiSiTsin. The main thing here is to arrange everything correctly and voila. Therefore, there should be no illusions, let alone fantasies about a "war with NATO". It will not be, although in fact it did not stop. welcome to reality

[Bolt cutter]

And shot down without regret. And no block wars

They already had red lines against the USSR and China.

[donavi49]

with mattresses

No. Let me remind you of mattresses, as well as the British (who also suffered losses from MiGs) and others (including, for example, Turkey - which lost about 5000 killed and wounded, Colombia and even Ethiopia, where Silasie tried to cling to the world movement) were officially called the contingent of UN troops who had UN mandate issued by the UN Security Council.

[Foundling]

Well, it doesn't really change the point. We knocked each other down and the UN mandate was, as it were, an aggravating circumstance. But no inter-block "rubbish" happened at the same time

[Maxim G]

And Korea didn’t fight there ?????)))))))

[Foundling]

Only according to documents. And so no. Initially very local

[Maxim G]

Those. Did North and South Korea themselves fight in a limited way in their own war?)

[Foundling]

Yeah. Infinitely they began to fight only after connecting us and the mattresses. Then they became serious, to the last Korean

[Maxim G]

And before that, didn’t they seriously fight something?

[Foundling]

On a smaller scale so to speak. And would've finished much sooner.

[Beck69]

Without enthusiasm.

[Heaven]

We looked at the operations in Iraq and Yugoslavia, we thought it would also work out. But this requires an overwhelming advantage in technology over the enemy and powerful modern intelligence with the presence of a huge number of high-precision weapons. If it didn't, it wasn't worth trying.

[Hanurik]

If. They were not inspired by Iraq. Compare 080808 and February 24th. They wanted to reach the capital according to the Georgian scenario, make Zelya eat his tie and sign the necessary agreement. But the Georgians turned out to be more adequate than the Ukrainians, this was not taken into account in the Kremlin.

[Maxim G]

Why do we need a multi-million dollar group?

[Foundling]

To defeat a 30 millionth country. And most importantly, keeping the results of this victory

[Maxim G]

So for this it is necessary to create an advantage in technology, not people.
And destroy human resources with equipment, and not with manpower.

[Foundling]

Such equipment that will fight for the infantry has not yet been invented. But they are working on it. In the meantime, all heavy equipment is used to SUPPORT AND ENSURE the classic offensive. And so even planes and tanks are still controlled by people, if anything. And Arta too.

[Maxim G]

Quote: Foundling

In the meantime, all heavy equipment is used to SUPPORT AND ENSURE the classic offensive.

This gem is from which textbook?

[Foundling]

Are you a fan of the Star Wars movie? However, the technique "effectively fighting without people" is nuclear weapons. Will it fit? Or do you plan to train calibers to occupy cities and carry out denification activities?

[Foundling]

Where do you think I got this from? "The offensive is carried out in order to defeat the opposing enemy, take possession of the designated object and create conditions for conducting subsequent actions. It consists in defeating the enemy with all available means, a decisive attack, the rapid advance of troops into the depth of his battle formation, the destruction and capture of manpower, the seizure of weapons, Destruction means inflicting such damage on the enemy, in which he loses the ability to resist.
The personnel of a platoon (squad, tank), using the results of the fire engagement of the enemy, must conduct an offensive with full effort, continuously day and night, in any weather and in close cooperation with other subunits, defeat the opposing enemy.

[Maxim G]

Quote: Foundling

The personnel of a platoon (squad, tank), using results of enemy fire

Both messages at once.
And how much infantry is needed, which will enter after being hit by ground-based and ship-based missiles, aviation, artillery, tanks with precision-guided munitions?
Which must first mow down manpower, armored vehicles, artillery, fortifications, etc.

And, by the way, the infantry itself should be conditionally 1000 people with modern weapons, communication, surveillance and reconnaissance devices, trained and experienced.

And not 10 with AKM and civilian night vision devices, copters and walkie-talkies at their own expense.

[Foundling]

Two questions. Where do you get "1000 people with modern weapons, communications, surveillance and reconnaissance devices, trained, experienced" for each settlement, of which there are many in Ukraine? and where will you get only the means of "fire destruction"? Which will erase cities and remain outside the range of the same Hymars and air defense? Are you planning to release a million calibers in one city? And so, there is no shortage of firepower. We need troops for an offensive with a numerical superiority in accordance with military textbooks

[Maxim G]

This is a question for me regarding why there are no precision-guided munitions, spotter drones, AWACS aircraft and much more.

And by the way, we don’t have enough helicopters, Lisovoy (Vovochka Rzhevsky), a veteran helicopter pilot, writes about this in his comments.

[Foundling]

So this is what we're talking about. They fight using the means at their disposal. At the time of preparations for the CBO, all the experts said in a voice that this was a bluff and the 200th group was not enough. And so it happened, analysts' mistakes, underestimation and we have what we have. Although if they had listened then, and collected at least a million, everything could have been different. Now the dill has been gathered, armed and prepared an army in the region of a million. Partial mobilization has been announced in the country. And people keep surprising me with questions: "Why do we need an army of many millions?"

[Maxim G]

Do you need to fight wall to wall?

[Foundling]

You can use Fedor's robot. Fits, what do you think? In general, it is better to attack a wall with two walls, if according to science. And so, depending on how you plan to fight, attack fortified areas or defend from fortified positions, everywhere a different amount of HP is required

[Maxim G]

Did something prevent you from hitting the barracks? And to spread all possible places of deployment of troops from the first day of the war?

[Foundling]

And about the "high-precision" ammunition touched. What means for their guidance and adjustment do you see ??? Or, after all, millions of Iskanders and calibers and a death star from above. Looks very realistic

[stelltok]

Such equipment that will fight for the infantry has not yet been invented.

1)URAN 9 Robot RF
2) Robotic BMP-3 in action was first shown on video
https://rg.ru/2022/08/16/2371127.html

And so even planes and tanks are still controlled by people, if anything. And Arta too.

Where are these things?
1) Tank-robot T72 "Shturm" will be tested in April
https://rg.ru/2022/03/14/tank-robot-shturm-nachnut-ispytyvat-v-aprele-on-mozhet-okazatsia-kruche-armaty.html

[Foundling]

In the same place where there are unmanned drones, which, as it turned out, do not meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, as well as corvettes. All hope for the robot Fedor with Shoigu

[arkadiyssk]

Delusional nonsense, these are your slogans about "30 million country" and 5 million reserves. Already for 5 months there are no goals to capture the whole country, and for each NP they are cut separately.
Therefore, let's consider each section of the front separately? In order to recapture (capture) the conditional Bakhmut Avdiivka, Soledar, hundreds of thousands of soldiers and hundreds of tanks are not needed, and we have all these forces there a long time ago and you can easily double them and there are no millions of reservists in these settlements, there is simply nowhere to go place. THEN why do months go by, but no breakthroughs occur? Maybe it's not a matter of numerical superiority? Maybe these cool stories about millions of Ukrainian reservists are just excuses for something worse in ourselves?

[Foundling]

Millions are not there. But it is easy to transfer them there if they are prepared and armed. I am shocked by this. 5 million is a modest estimate of the Ukrainian mobile reserve by our General Staff

[vitvit123]

Intrigued .., but can you be more specific? I'm interested in different versions, tk. I myself no longer see the logic in maintaining our databases

[Lech from Android.]

What is the reason for stopping the German offensive near the Ardennes?
The most banal lack of fuel for the German Tigers and Panthers ... the oil fields in Balaton, Romania were captured by the Red Army ... the Germans left their tanks unharmed.
Where does the fuel for the armored vehicles of the Ukronazis come from now ... the supplies of gasoline and diesel are trite. fuel., fuels and lubricants from Romania, Azerbaijan and other sources...
Until we stop this, we will fight for a very long time.

[Foundling]

Correctly! You can, of course, hit on "Romania, Azerbaijan and other sources .." along the paths to the rate. But here you need to have real air supremacy. And after the calibers, it is restored in hours

[donavi49]

Well, it's a classic. Korea today is F-22/35 from bases in Romania in active databases. This is a conditional army of Poland with the entire range of weapons and not in Lviv, but at zeros in active databases. And when MacArthur announced nuclear weapons, his career ended immediately ... Although in those conditions, nuclear weapons were much less suicidal for civilization as a whole.

Vietnam is the latest systems (Shilka 65 for the first time in the Soviet army, 70-71 already in Vietnam), direct participation in complex systems, direct and open deliveries. It's like F-16block70/72 would go today in commercial quantities, PAK-3, THAAD, etc. At the same time, openly go to Odessa under huge American flags. To be in the water area with your reconnaissance and combat ships by invitation. And at the same time, the US accepted the rules of the game when the Thunderchiefs bombed a Soviet ship while unloading - Nixon personally apologized, and the US paid compensation. At the same time, even the most hawks-hawks did not talk about nuclear weapons, we will hit Moscow in response to the actions of the Vietnamese.

Arab-Israeli - similarly, the latest systems, and in Syria and behind the consoles are Soviet calculations. They started talking about nuclear weapons only when Britain began to play the revival of the Empire.

[Negro]

Quote: donavi49

They started talking about nuclear weapons only when Britain began to play the revival of the Empire.

There was a peculiar situation - Eisenhower was a gift of fate for the USSR. So here I would not exaggerate the importance of Khrushchev's statements.

[edeligor]

It amazes me with what frenzy, sparing no means, pumping up Ukraine. For example, the guys say that Svidomo, having no hesitation, throw dozens of javelins and other wunderwaffles on the battlefield ... Those who served and serve know how expensive it is and how often they have to use such products in exercises. Attention to the question - who will pay for this booze? Watching from across the ocean, more than anything else, they know how to count their hard-earned money.

[Foundling]

They do. Having cut us off from energy supplies to Europe and supplying LNG at a high price, plus forcing Europe to buy their weapons for many billions, they have already repeatedly repulsed the supply of weapons to Kyiv, which were already supposed to be written off.

[Two]

On our part, there should at least be a ostentatious collapse of Svidomo's military logistics! Without snot and nurses!

[sgrabik]

Only not ostentatious, but real and in the very near future, because delaying time and indecision will not lead to good, we need to take the initiative into our own hands and be a few steps ahead of the enemy, and not stagnate trying to adapt to him.

[Kaufman]

Is this still outside the scope of Lend Lisa delivery? Or Lend Liz has already earned. They wrote that it would work from October, from the beginning of the new financial year. I read that they are preparing, they work at military-industrial complex enterprises in the states in three shifts

[Vladimir M]

It's time to shoot down at least one AWACS aircraft of "partners" and you don't even need to make excuses, say - well, it happened, with whom it doesn't happen. Stop chewing snot already, it will only get worse.

[Heaven]

In response, several VKS aircraft will be shot down, which are already innumerable

[Vladimir M]

You might think that now they don’t shoot down VSK planes, they didn’t sink the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, they don’t tear gas pipelines ..., then the Crimean bridge? Also say that the Ukrainians themselves sank the flagship.

[Alexander_Schlidt]

Quote from Heaven

In response, several VKS aircraft will be shot down

And after that, "the world is in ruins." Some kind of knot. It is necessary to cut it with one decisive blow, so that rose-colored glasses from everyone will fall. And do not dissolve the nurses and be afraid to get white gloves dirty.

[Heaven]

Just wondering why many are so sure that in response to downed NATO aircraft, they will not shoot down Russian ones. Or, in response to a strike on their territory, they will not strike back. Moreover, they have all the technical capabilities for this.

[Alexander_Schlidt]

This is not new. Everyone wants to believe that people will come to their senses standing on the edge. No one believed that the First World War would begin. They thought that with the advent of the machine gun, war would destroy civilization. No, they survived. And here it is similar.

[Foundling]

Not. Not in shambles. We've hit each other before in Korea. No "rubbish" was created.

[Negro]

Quote: Vladimir M

Stop chewing snot already, it will only get worse.

And what do the inhabitants of Belgorod think about it?

[dimbasic]

The United States is a terrorist and a sponsor of world terrorism.

[Ivan Ivanov]

The scab-covered problem is that we do not interfere with these deliveries in any way. As Vadim Gigin rightly noted, the Belarusian speaker - the Russian Federation takes so long to decide on infrastructure strikes like Kharkov or Zaporozhye and makes such pauses that it nullifies the results of even strikes. (The crossings at Ingulets have already been restored) Maybe someone will call this wisdom and thoughtfulness, but in my opinion this is an extreme degree of inhibition of the political leadership. Literally everything comes with a delay - the creation of the CAA, mobilization, provision. It is not surprising that the gas pipeline was blown up for us - they are not afraid of our flexible red lines.

[Two]

All from the lack of will of the stars! Not the ability to make operational decisions and the fear of making them without regard to the leaders.

[Foundling]

Correctly. Put them in front of the line and ask menacingly: “Why hasn’t Ivanov’s battalion taken Nikolaev, Odessa and Kyiv yet? What prevented?

[Nastia makarova]

apparently and in fact some of the installations were destroyed or damaged

[donavi49]

Not a fact, now there will be capacity building, from the fact that 100% is going:
2 Mars + an unnamed number of M270B from Britain as part of a deal with Norway for 12 M270 (Norway transfers them to Britain, which repairs / transfers them from the presence of the repair of the Norwegian ones).
18 Himarsov
16-18 Crabs to NG under the contract.
Finalization 8 Suzanne-2 (the first batch was either delivered or used for training outside of Ukraine).
Several Caesars (probably 2-4) in the autumn package.
39 Bison from Canada are already on their way.

A significant 30+ number of Finnish Sisu are already at the front.

The first Toffee has already been announced, the second before NG + 2 nasams in the fall.
A certain amount of armored vehicles (Scholz recently mentioned that Germany is now financing the repair and restoration of 50 Soviet infantry fighting vehicles for their subsequent delivery + 28 M55S - after all, this is a battalion set of tanks with a thermal imager, a new engine and L7).

[Negruz]

It's not an extension, it's replenishment lost, but in a smaller volume than was delivered in May - in the summer ....
Considering that the Soviet from Ukraine and Eastern Europe continues to be methodically disposed of, the overall balance is much less than in February or August 2022...

[Silver99]

A strange war (((rare strikes on the infrastructure of Ukraine and a lot of bravado in the media. The destruction of power plants and railway bridges should become the norm, these installations are not traveling in columns on roads. It would be nice to hit the Lviv region, especially at the crossing points on the border with Poland.

[Fisherman]

However, many military experts confirm CNBC’s information that NATO warehouses in Europe and the United States were seriously emptied not only for armored vehicles, but even for 155-mm shells ... in fact, dill was spit out in 2 weeks of artillery duels the annual production volume of NATO leader - the United States. And so far, the United States has not increased the production of the most needed BPs, which means it does not plan to support Ukraine with ammunition for a long time, and without this they will not last long! The dills have already run out of Kalash - the moment has come when the dills use predominantly American automatic rifles, they are everywhere on video .... even imported armor is running out, the Soviet one comes across on the front lines only after repairs - the warehouses are empty. So it’s not just that the Yankees and Europeans urged their citizens to urgently leave Russia - this usually happens on the eve of our offensive. The supply enemy is running out of steam, only what arrived from the West goes to the front and immediately from the wheels - into battle, so wars are not waged and even can not stand with such a long delivery arm, the lack of local production and stocks in warehouses. The end of ukrorezhima soon! A turning point is coming, at which our General Staff will abandon the long standing groups near Belgorod, Kursk and Sumy.

[Foundling]

This is very funny! Thank you! I love science fiction

[Fisherman]

in fact there is nothing to object, as I understand it? Bot trolling is not counted!

[Foundling]

They have not yet supplied what they are armed with. Stingers and Ptrk have historically been lying around for the Mujahideen. Himars and three axes, to put it mildly, are not new and are supplied in microscopic quantities. Warehouses in Europe are being swept by shells, otherwise they are ordering something new from mattresses

[Foundling]

That's when f16 appears in the sky and patriots on the ground, then we can talk about some kind of serious support

[Fisherman]

Patriots - Full G! Ask the Saudis...where did the Patriots do their best!

[Foundling]

Of course G. Our s300 or shell would intercept 100%. Residents of Belgorod and Kursk will confirm if anything. And the marine version of FORT is generally a death star

[Fisherman]

a little education and the ability to perceive information will give you the understanding that 100% air defense and missile defense does not exist. Against the background of the S-400, even the S-300, and even more so the Shells, your Patriots are not even G .... there is no such word to compare. Patriots G ... compared to their Western counterparts, which are obviously lower than ours.

[Foundling]

Can you share your comparison method? By the way, have you heard about Aegis?

[Fisherman]

not only heard .... a good thing, but not sawn ... the effectiveness is good against Palestinian or North Korean missiles, if used in perfect weather with systems set along the flight path of the missiles and know when it will fly ... and where ... then the defeat is simple ballistics of 50%, more precisely up to 50% in such ideal conditions. See test results.

[Foundling]

You also forgot that Petriot screwed up in the Sea of ​​​​Japan. But not the point. They are what we have, what they have a little over-praised

[Fisherman]

remember the Saudis - there was generally a SHAME, after which the Yankees quickly took them out.

[Foundling]

Well, they wrote it off as unprepared Arabs there. By the way, tanks are not given to Ukrainians for the same reason. Abrams and leopards are on fire. Not bad. In Syria, leopards burned gloriously. This is all true, but ...... Western armored vehicles and air defense are taking the lives of our guys.

[Fisherman]

this is a war .... in combat, even failure to comply with TB brings losses ... up to 20 people a year die on our roads without any war ... and here - a war, the dead HEROES - SAINTS!

[Alexander_Schlidt]

Take off your rose-colored glasses. The West will be able to support Ukraine for some time. Before the start of Lend-Lease, for sure. And when it works, Ukraine will get everything. Everything from the word. It will be interesting if lend-lease begins and we finish the NWO with lightning speed with decisive actions, having won a complete victory. Will mattress covers be able to get off the military rails? And how hard will it be for them? How much will Europe have to buy with real money?

[Negro]

Quote: Alexander_Schlidt

It will be interesting if Lend-Lease starts and we finish the NWO with lightning speed with decisive actions, having won a complete victory.

How's that?

[Alexander_Schlidt]

Quote: Negro

How's that?

Well, maybe the General Staff will be born and make a plan. My script will definitely not be accepted)

[Fisherman]

you have a mess in your head ... whatever you call the supplies (at least a lend-lease ... at least a gift ... at least a sale), the problem is the physical absence of a large number of weapons right now, and not in a year or two! Oh those verbiage!

[Alexander_Schlidt]

Quote: Fisherman

you have a mess in your head.

what's behind these conclusions?

Quote: Fisherman

the problem is the physical absence of a large number of weapons right now

Right now, it just exists. And rides / flies the same amount. Deliveries are only increasing. As the list of equipment is expanding.

Quote: Fisherman

not in a year or two!

In six months there will be a lend-lease. But until that moment, they have enough equipment and BC.

Quote: Fisherman

Oh those verbiage!

Oh yes!

[Fisherman]

1) you cover up the cunning operation of the Yankees to fool the dill with a buzzword from the Second World War, and you yourself are led (or lead suckers-dill) to this scam, because the Yankees will give money to their companies for the production of weapons on their territory, which is unlikely to ever be put into the Armed Forces of Ukraine , because they understand that Ukraine will lose and there will be no one to pay for the Lend-Lease scam, and without guarantees of a return on investment, the Yankees will not supply even one bolt.
2) what they have is not enough for a full-fledged war, it’s enough to look at the trophies from dill at the beginning of the NWO and now, now - a miserable sight, with the world on a string, they raked everything from warehouses and supplies and immediately to the front, again threw all the repaired the remaining planes and we shoot them down 1-2 per day (these will soon run out, they repaired and hid them for a long time after we "dropped" all the recently delivered planes of the former Warsaw Pact countries). To maintain even a weak parity, they will not be saved by the supplies of the entire US fleet, even if they land right in Dnepropetrovsk, the logistics are long and weak for such a long supply arm. Physically and quantitatively, they won't cope even close.
3) where does this delusion come from that in six months there will be a lend-lease? six months later, deliveries of the first copies will only begin (if they reach it), but the Yankee industry will not be able to handle such volumes of military equipment that we burn per day at dill (dozens of tanks, dozens of guns, dozens of armor, dozens of vehicles, hundreds of fighters - per day !! !)
4) it's nice that you are self-critical

[Alexander_Schlidt]

1. Americans first of all rip off their taxpayer. Where the weapon will go to them is not particularly interesting, the very fact of the presence of sales is important. If it doesn’t work out, Ukraine will be sold to Europe, under the sauce of unification of NATO weapons. This is what I wrote about. But they will come true for sure. And for voters, they will find a worthy excuse.
2. With the world on a thread, a beggar's shirt. They have this shirt. For more complex equipment, both a trained crew and a repair base are required. I am sure that crew training is already underway. Or a set of mercenaries.
3. The Yankees put the ships on the assembly line in the Second World War. The only case in history. And they have a strong industry. With an infusion of the budget, they will definitely master it.
4. It was not self-criticism, you are mistaken.

[Negro]

Quote: Fisherman

However, many military experts confirm the CNBC information.

"Many experts" are guided by the volume of purchases of new shells and the expense estimated on the fingers. The real situation with reserves from open sources cannot be understood.

Quote: Fisherman

so far, the United States has not increased the production of the most needed power supplies

Fortunately for Ukraine, 155mm is produced by a huge number of countries. Except just Ukraine, khe-khe.

Quote: Fisherman

the moment has come when dill use mainly American automatic rifles

I really don't care about the shooter at all.

Quote: Fisherman

the armor is already even imported,

What armor? M113 didn't really start yet, not to mention Bradley, marders, etc.

Quote: Fisherman

So it’s not just that the Yankees and Europeans urged their citizens to urgently leave Russia

Officially, they are talking about a possible closure of the borders. There is no connection with the offensives - there were no such statements in February.

[Fisherman]

1) American corporations do not have such secrecy on simple weapons, the more they are announced, the more orders, the market .... so the information there is 99% correct
2) 155-mm is produced by many people, but very few ... you are very naive and off topic if you think that you can right now increase the supply of materials on such a scale for such a large-scale production of at least 155-mm shells
3) do not care about the rifle? ukrovoiny with slingshots and bows at the ready?
4) you are off topic ... M13 full G! In the Israeli army, it is forbidden to enter the free zone on the M-113. due to the fact that they are pierced by small arms and shell fragments and burn out like candles along with the crew .... the rest of what you indicated is also G., not suitable for military operations in our climatic zone ... it started to rain and this technique I just got bogged down ... and it wasn’t frosty yet!
5) again you are not in the subject - from January to March, all the embassies squealed "leave"!

[Negro]

Quote: Fisherman

American corporations do not have such secrecy on simple weapons, the more they are announced, the more orders,

Again. The volume of purchases in recent years is known. How much has been lying since 91 - no one knows.

Quote: Fisherman

that it is possible right now to increase the supply of materials on such a scale for such a large-scale production of at least 155-mm shells

Of course you can, especially for the old types. Not rocket science.

Quote: Fisherman

do not care about the rifle? ukrovoiny with slingshots and bows at the ready?

Shooters in the world are like dirt, what is AK, what is AR.

Quote: Fisherman

In the Israeli army, it is forbidden to enter the free zone on the M-113. due to the fact that they are pierced by small arms and shell fragments and burn out like candles along with the crew ....

Naturally Namer is better. But Namery and even Bradley are not yet offered. And tell the crews of the BTR-80 about small arms.

Quote: Fisherman

also G., not suitable for military operations in our climatic zone ... it started to rain and this technique just got bogged down ... and it was still frost!

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I won’t even post the stuck T-90s. If you have no other trump cards besides General Mud and General Frost, then it’s nice.

Quote: Fisherman

again you are off topic - from January to March all the embassies squealed "leave

From Ukraine. There was not a word about Russia then.

[Fisherman]

1) well, yes, they only worked for the warehouse and did not leave / used up wild stocks in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria, and ... so on
2) according to their experts, in order to replenish the warehouses to meet the partial needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they need 2 years to fill their own warehouses and a few more years to reach the standards for the consumption of ammunition during battles of medium intensity of the Ukrainian type on the front line of 500-600 km ... do you think? and you need to make a couple of hundred more wide-bodies ...
4) 80 saved me, so you tell me about your successes on Bradley, and I know and trust about my technique
5) all vehicles get stuck, but some get stuck at the very beginning, right in the first puddle...which was not intended for our lane
6) you in Ukraine know better that the Yankees were broadcasting there, but we also heard their screeching, and here, before the start of the NWO, the Yankees immediately warned ours to “fold up”
3) AK Chinese? yes, a lot ... but this is for "fighting", and not just shooting back

[Negro]

Quote: Fisherman

well, yes, they only worked for the warehouse and did not leave / used up wild stocks in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria, and ... so on

Well, you see. The Americans have always been not greedy for shells. It would be strange if this suddenly changed right now.

Quote: Fisherman

according to their experts

Let me remind you that now 300 trunks are in operation at the most. This is the level of Finland or Jordan. 15% of the regular number of American artillery. For the first time in 100+ years, Americans cannot ensure the consumption of ammunition, you say? Experts, you say?

Quote: Fisherman

and you need to make a couple of hundred more wide-bodies ...

What for?

Quote: Fisherman

80 saved me, so you tell me about your successes on Bradley, and I know and trust about my technique

Did you save him from a Kalashnikov? Lucky, it happens.
Lucky it wasn't a CPV.

Quote: Fisherman

at the very beginning, right in the first puddle ... which was not intended for our lane

This M113 is not intended for Eastern Europe? Very interesting, keep watching.

Quote: Fisherman

and here, before the start of the NWO, the Yankees immediately warned theirs to "roll up"

Unfortunately, you are lying. Before February, Biden only had nightmares about the Ukrainian side. Quite possibly, the only hint that it would be unsafe to be in Moscow would be enough for daddy with ingenious geopolitical plans to get lost.

Quote: Fisherman

AK Chinese? yes, a lot ... but this is for "fighting", and not just shooting back

There are no Akoids. But here it’s an individual matter, who likes Arches - let them be. Especially in some urban TerO spit more or less.

[Foundling]

Correctly. NATO does not have good equipment like the T-62. And 16 Ukrainian highmars depleted the stock prepared for 1000 of the same ones in service with NATO. And 155 mm ends if you do not take into account that the number of barrels supplied to Ukraine for this caliber is less than 1 percent of those in service with NATO. Is it possible for such an insignificant number of barrels to process the entire stock of NATO? Konashenkov, relogin

[Fisherman]

you don’t know about Ukraine at all? A total of 540 Hymars were produced ... TOTAL! in November 2020, the "anniversary" 500th was released, so you can evaluate the "scale" of production. The US Army, according to their reports, received about 50 MLRS missiles by the end of 000 ... 2021 in total! The entire US Army for many years! The Russian army fired 50-000 shells and missiles per day alone! Karine Jean-Pierre, re-login!

[Foundling]

By the end of the year or just? Well, ok, 100 pieces will be delivered, will this not be a problem for us? Have you forgotten GMLRS and ATACMS? Well, yes, they will not be delivered like anti-radar missiles. And the last question, do we ourselves have something to oppose?

[Eva Star]

The horror, of course, is how weak our army has become. 16 Himars kept the entire front in suspense. Total corruption destroyed our army, if we do not take the Soviet legacy, then we would already be sitting without shells and equipment. The West still does not supply serious air defense systems, tanks and aircraft, but we are failing, by the way, and any NATO country still has a fleet. It is already obvious that Russia is not ready for the Ukrainian conflict, the problems are in everything from equipment to command, the latter, by the way, lost a huge number of soldiers when they entered Ukraine as a parade. It was parade tactics at the beginning of the war that led us to a catastrophe now and we had to mobilize. In any case, Russia can still win, you just need to stop stealing and start developing a land army. If you need to slow down all other projects, such as the navy, it needs to be done, most of the budget should be spent on the army. Plus, after the referendum, we are still waiting for a real war, with the destruction of electricity, gas and communications, at least in western Ukraine, without this it is impossible to win, the enemy is using all means and it's time for us.

[Foundling]

You drop it! Here everyone knows that the GDP "raised the army"!

[yuriy55]

The Pentagon has published another list of weapons and military equipment that will be transferred to the army of the Kyiv regime. This list suggests that the United States will continue to supply Ukraine with strike weapons, gradually increasing their supply.

What an interesting situation. The Pentagon destroyed the joint venture by depriving Russia of the right to supply (or not) gas to Europe.
WHY IS RUSSIA STILL NOT DESTROYING THE HIGHWAYS FOR THE SUPPLY OF ARMS TO UKRAINE?

[SSA]

What are the highways? Is there some kind of pipeline through which weapons and equipment flow?
Highways cannot be destroyed. Yes, and JD. roads are recovering very quickly

[yuriy55]

Quote: SSA

What are the highways?

Probably... Railway... Maybe motorways... Which go through the western borders of Ukraine... Don't shake the pipe and don't pretend that you went to school four weeks ago...

Quote: SSA

Yes, and JD. roads are recovering very quickly

What are you talking about? Is railway electrification also recovering quickly? And the stations for “changing shoes” for wheelsets are also quickly assembled? Or are the drivers of locomotives and diesel locomotives standing in line at the labor exchange?
Every highway has overpasses, viaducts, bridges and other structures...

[Foundling]

In general, I am touched by the situation in which our cheers patriots believe the WESTERN press about "the depletion of NATO weapons depots" without even allowing the thought of the ordered nature of these articles in the interests of the Military Industrial Lobby. He directly imagined how the editor-in-chief of some New York Times on the phone strictly asks the head of the Pentagon: "report on the remnants of BC in NATO warehouses"

[Chronos]

Quote: Foundling

In general, I am touched by the situation in which our cheers patriots believe the WESTERN press about "the depletion of NATO weapons depots" without even allowing the thought of the ordered nature of these articles in the interests of the Military Industrial Lobby. He directly imagined how the editor-in-chief of some New York Times on the phone strictly asks the head of the Pentagon: "report on the remnants of BC in NATO warehouses"

In fact, yes, everything that could be quickly delivered from warehouses has already been delivered / is being delivered now. Especially Europeans. They also have peacetime armies, not particularly ready for a big war. Next, you need to either reduce your combat capability for the sake of Ukraine, or supply real trash. The NATO military-industrial complex is also not on a military footing and must solve two problems: work for Ukraine and make up for what has been delivered to Ukraine. Just for 18 highmars, the latest information is that they will be supplied in batches within two years. Some of the installations already delivered by that time will be destroyed one way or another or will fail.

[Foundling]

If so, then I'm just happy. But 18 highmars for everything NATO sounds somehow implausible. they throw coal to Ukraine so that the flame burns, because while the results are roaring, they are satisfied. Ending it quickly is not in their interest. Do not forget that from the range of fire weapons available to NATO, they supplied a little more than nothing

[Chronos]

Quote: Foundling

If so, then I'm just happy. But 18 highmars for everything NATO sounds somehow implausible. they throw coal to Ukraine so that the flame burns, because while the results are roaring, they are satisfied. Ending it quickly is not in their interest. Do not forget that from the range of fire weapons available to NATO, they supplied a little more than nothing

The British delivered almost 30% of their MLRS. The French need about two years to make up for the supply of "Caesars". Although voices are already being heard: "Let us stay ourselves with a naked ass and without an army, but we will help the Ukrainians!". In fact, now the main supplier is the United States, and, well, Germany, which is finishing off what was promised back in June. 18 highmars in two years is quite realistic for the American military-industrial complex, if you tighten up. But NATO still faces a choice: either somehow end the conflict, or transfer the economy to a military footing without being a direct party to the conflict, which is also fraught with costs. The people won't understand.

[Foundling]

Where infa about small Britain? And what MLRS did they supply?
In service
USA - 363 M142 HIMARS in the ground forces and 47 units in the marines, as of 2022[13]
Singapore - 18 M142 HIMARS, as of 2016 year [14]
UAE - 32 M142 HIMARS, as of 2022 year [15]
Jordan - 12 M142 HIMARS, as of 2016[16] and 432 missiles, as of 2012
Romania - 18 M142 HIMARS, as of 2021[17]
Ukraine - more than 16 units of M142 HIMARS with GMLRS missiles at the beginning of September 2022[18][19], delivery of another 18 launchers is expected[20].
Potential Operators
Poland - On May 26, 2022, the Ministry of National Defense of Poland sent a request for the purchase of 500 launchers[21][22]
Australia - 20 M142 launchers were requested by the Australian Army, the sale of which was approved by the US Department of State on May 26, 2022[23]
Republic of China - 11 PUs were approved for sale by the US government on October 21, 2020[24]
Estonia - 6 launchers and related equipment worth $500 million were purchased by the Estonian army on July 15, 2022.[25]

If we are talking about 270 then: In service
M270 MLRS of the 41st US Artillery Brigade at the Grafenwöhr training ground, Germany, November 6, 2019
Currently, it is in service with the armies of 17 countries of the world:

Bahrain - 9 MLRS, as of 2016[32]
United Kingdom - 35 M270B1, as of 2016[33]
Germany - 41 MLRS, as of 2022[34]
Greece - 36 MLRS, as of 2016[35]
Denmark - 12 MLRS in, as of 2016 (pending recycling/decommissioning) [36]
Egypt - 26 M270, as of 2016[37]
Israel - 48 M270 (of which 18 are in storage), as of 2022 [38]
Italy - 21 MLRS, as of 2016[39]
Netherlands - 22 MLRS, as of 2007[40]
Norway - 12 MLRS, as of 2007[41]
Republic of Korea - 48 M270 and 10 M270A1, as of 2022[42]
USA - 225 M270A1 and an unknown number of M270, as of 2022[43]
Turkey - 12 MLRS, as of 2016[44]
Ukraine - 9 units[45] M270B1 MLRS from the UK[46][47][48], 3 units of MARS2 from Germany[49][50] and 2 more in the process of delivery[51], and delivery of 2 units of M270 MLRS is also expected from Norway[52]
Finland - 22 M270, as of 2016[53]
France - 13 M270, as of 2016[54]
Japan - 54 MLRS, as of 2022[55]

[Foundling]

And the UK M270 MLRS was most likely preparing for decommissioning. junk. Because it is not clear modernized it delivers or from storage

[Fisherman]

Britain's technique did not show itself ANYWHERE! Bradleys are clumsy turtles with a high center of gravity and moving on very hard dry ground, turning over even on pavement during normal movement...

[Fisherman]

agree! and Germany refused to supply any more heavy weapons.

[Negro]

Quote: Fisherman

Germany refused to continue to supply heavy weapons.

What does "next" mean? Did she deliver a lot?

[Fisherman]

take a look at the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... and "many" is a relative concept ... the Bundeswehr does not actually have so many of its own weapons.

[Negro]

Quote: Fisherman

take a look at the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... and "a lot" is a relative concept ...

I don't see anything heavy or German. Single ACS and SZU.

Quote: Fisherman

in fact, the Bundeswehr does not have so many weapons of its own.

Nobody cares about the problems of the Bundeswehr. Scholz is blocking non-Bundeswehr supplies.

[Negro]

Quote: Chronos

The British delivered almost 30% of their MLRS

And not theirs. They buy other people's cars from conservation and send them to demilitarization.

Quote: Chronos

The French need about two years to make up for the supply of "Caesars". Although voices are already being heard: "Let us stay ourselves with a naked ass and without an army, but we will help the Ukrainians!"

Yes, Nexter produces 10 cars a year, 18 were sent to Ukraine. But this is not that much of a problem for France.

Quote: Chronos

or somehow reach an end to the conflict, or transfer the economy to a military footing without being a direct party to the conflict, which is also fraught with costs. The people won't understand.

What for? We have been seeing T-62 and D-20 for a long time, but there are almost no M107, M60 not a single one, not to mention at least the fourth Leo or old Abrams, the talk about large deliveries of FH70 has died out. So, to put it mildly, there is something to work on even without the mobilization of industry.

[Negro]

Quote: Chronos

In fact, yes, everything that could be quickly delivered from warehouses has already been delivered / is being delivered now

In fact, everything that I wanted to quickly deliver from warehouses has already been delivered/is being delivered now. Further deliveries, as before, are a matter of desire and political will. The only good news for the Russian Federation is that the most active friends of Ukraine, primarily Poland, have really more or less run out of old (Soviet) stocks.

Well, I would not underestimate "all junk" NATO of the early 90s.

[Liam]

Quote: Negro

"all junk" NATO

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5:23 pm ET, April 12, 2022
Pentagon will convene meeting with weapons makers to determine the industry's capacity to support Ukraine
From CNN's Oren Liebermann and Barbara Star

[Negro]

These are two parallel processes. From a military point of view, the reserves of the times of the Fulda corridor are more interesting, how many of them are still left. From the point of view of sawing attendants, of course, new orders are more interesting.

[Liam]

Quote: Negro

reserves from the times of the Fulda corridor, how many of them are left

I think it’s about 0. The shelf life most likely came out. 35 years have passed, as it were

[Negro]

And what are the fighters against Nazism fighting then? And how did Ukraine fight before Ramstein?

[Liam]

Well, about up to Ramstein, Ukraine had enough suitable shells. And the fighters against Nazism had enough for a month of a fiery rampart on a 30-40 km front in the Severodonetsk region. Since July, nothing has been heard about the ramparts of fire, as it were.

After 91 years, no shells were still produced. Plus, the last Soviet batches that were produced in the late 80s are still at risk of being used .. and it is no coincidence that explosions of shells in howitzer barrels flicker on the Internet.
Under the condition of ideal storage in enclosed spaces with the right temperature and humidity, the deadline for storage is 25 years. After that, you need to refill the filling and change fuses, etc. This will add another 15 years after which - only disposal.

[Negro]

Quote: Liam

This will add another 15 years after which -only disposal

Well, the question is, how much someone has this junk. There are some doubts that the Americans are really guided by 5 shells per barrel per year - it seems that such figures flashed among the "experts".

[Liam]

Quote: Negro

Quote: Liam

This will add another 15 years after which -only disposal

Well, the question is, how much someone has this junk. There are some doubts that the Americans are really guided by 5 shells per barrel per year - it seems that such figures flashed among the "experts".

No one will say for sure ... but hardly millions. The number of barrels has decreased significantly since the 80s, and the rest is focused on high-precision.know how in the form of a fire shaft is an idea exclusively of fighters against Nazism. No one else fights like this and spends yards on storage and logistics for millions of shells. Good intelligence, target designation and relatively few high-grade ammunition are much cheaper

[Negro]

Yes, but there is another arithmetic. Some Americans in the army have about 2000 barrels, out of a total resource of about 5 million rounds. Do they have neither reserves nor industrial capabilities to shoot one set of barrels? Something I'm not sure about.

[Fisherman]

absolutely on point! if they increase purchases and expand production, then they need to take money for this, not unsecured candy wrappers with inflation promotion at home, but from the existing budget .... which means you need to squeeze your cut somewhere in other drafts of the internal budget with an illusory perspective once "win and recoup", but the financiers there are the most realistic and know that they will not win, so why waste money on nothing?

[Foundling]

Come on! a trillion less, a trillion more. They print from the war and have not yet burst

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Hymars has become a problem for our troops.

[Yuri Siritsky_2]

It is necessary to destroy this iron on the way to the war zone.

[Foundling]

Nothing. Communication routes are effectively destroyed only by aircraft. And for this you need real, not virtual air supremacy

[Wbond]

... it's time to strike at the transport arteries of Ukraine ... I hope so ...

[Alexfly]

They react quickly, snot does not chew around the corner ..

[Viktor Sergeev]

The Hymarses made a huge contribution to the results of the referendums. What could be hoped for by hammering on cities and civilian objects?

[Down]

Quote: IvanIvanov

The scab-covered problem is that we do not interfere with these deliveries in any way. As Vadim Gigin rightly noted, the Belarusian speaker - the Russian Federation takes so long to decide on infrastructure strikes like Kharkov or Zaporozhye and makes such pauses that it nullifies the results of even strikes. (The crossings at Ingulets have already been restored) Maybe someone will call this wisdom and thoughtfulness, but in my opinion this is an extreme degree of inhibition of the political leadership. Literally everything comes with a delay - the creation of the CAA, mobilization, provision. It is not surprising that the gas pipeline was blown up for us - they are not afraid of our flexible red lines.

Do you really believe that calibers and stuff are inexhaustible? To implement what you have declared, you need much more and better weapons, but they simply do not exist. Remember Shoigu's speech, our troops are 75-80% equipped with new weapons, have you seen the videos, where are the new weapons? What are you going to disrupt logistics, there is a territory of 550 thousand square meters. km.??

[red cynic]

An Iranian Mohajer-6 drone belonging to the Russian Armed Forces landed in Ukraine.
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