How "Greek fire" saved Constantinople

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How "Greek fire" saved Constantinople
Fire dromon. Hood. Peter Denis. Osprey Publishing.


Mysterious artificial fire


For a number of centuries, as we have already written about, the capital of the Byzantine Empire was saved more than once by the fleet. But these victories would have been completely impossible if there had not been a military-technological miracle of that time - “Greek fire” in service.



“Such an artificial fire,” Vasilevs Leo wrote, “which erupts from the siphons with a roar and smoke and burns the ships.”

It was called Greek by the opponents of Byzantium, while in Byzantium it was called “marine”, “liquid”, “artificial” or “wet”. In this text, I will use all these synonyms.

"Greek fire", along with ancient urban civilization and a number of production technologies, some of which had their origin in Antiquity, and developed agriculture, gave Byzantium the right to be for a long time the center of European civilization, inaccessible to imitate, and the object of envy of neighboring "barbarians" .

The wealth gained from the agrarian economy and handicrafts made it possible for a long time to maintain the army at the proper level, but constant wars for the right to distribute the country's resources, for the title of emperor, significantly undermined the country's strength from within.

But ... "Greek fire" remained an example of unusual medieval technologies that have not come down to us, lost, like many other things. Everything we know comes from written sources that have come down to us, in which there are only descriptions of the use of fire and devices for its use.

It is known that many states and ethnic groups that signed peace treaties with the Romans tried to get this miraculousweapon.

Here is how Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus explained the origin of "liquid fire", who believed that this legend would need to object to embassies wishing to get it:

“And in this also [God] through an angel enlightened and instructed the great first Christian Basil, Saint Constantine. At the same time, he also received great instructions about this from that angel, as we are precisely aware of the fathers and grandfathers, that it was made only by Christians and only in the city in which they reign [35], and in no way in any other place, and also that no other people should receive it or be taught [its preparation]. Therefore, this great basileus, instructing his successors in this, ordered that curses be inscribed on the throne of the church of God, so that he who dared to give fire to another people would not be considered a Christian, nor would he be recognized as worthy of any honor or power. And if he is convicted of this, then he will be deposed from his post, may he be damned forever and ever, may he become a byword, be it a basileus, be it a patriarch, be it any other person, from commanding or from subordinate, if he dares transgress this commandment. It was determined that all those who feed the zeal and fear of God would treat the one who did such a thing as a common enemy and a violator of this great mandate and try to kill him, betraying a vile [and] heavy death.

Thus, in Byzantium, a myth was built around this weapon.

While under the father of Constantine - Leo VI, a law was passed (No. 63), according to which, under pain of the death penalty, it was forbidden to transfer data on "liquid fire" to other states and peoples.


Siphon for "Greek fire". Modern reconstruction. Athens military museum. Greece. The photo was kindly provided by S. Mikhailov.

Before talking about where this invention came from, it should be noted that "Greek fire" is a specific type of weapon.

Sometimes they try to associate with him such weapons as pots of combustible mixture, which were thrown at the enemy, both manually and with the help of mechanical devices. Such weapons were used long before the appearance of "Greek fire" in the zone of the Mediterranean civilization and in other regions: from the Pacific to the Atlantic, throughout the entire medieval stories. Such weapons with "Greek fire" have in common only the result, but technologically these are completely different types of weapons.

When did the "Greek fire" appear or was invented?


This is reported by Theophanes the Byzantine and Constantine VII.


Greek fire. Miniature. John Skilitsa "History of the Byzantine Emperors" Madrid list. XNUMXth century National Library. Madrid.

In 673-677 the Arab fleet besieged Constantinople, while retreating from the city, the Arabs fell into a storm near Cape Silleya in Pamphylia (modern Antalya), and the approaching fleet of the Romans used secret "Greek fire" against the Arabs:

“Thus, writes Theophanes the Byzantine, the Romans returned victorious and invented sea fire.”

And the honor of inventing such a fire belongs to the Greek Kallinikos. Someone considered him a carpenter, but Feofan called him an architect or architect.

In the medieval period, the profession of an architect was not only a craft of a specialist in the construction of buildings, but often also in the creation of fortresses and fighting machines and tools. An example of this is Aristotle Fioravanti (1415–1485(6)), who built buildings, bridges, poured bells, cannons and conducted siege work.

True, in Byzantium there were also individual specialists in this field: mechanics and geometers. The former were engaged only in the construction of machines, and the latter - in the calculations of buildings and structures.

The inventor Kallinikos was an architect, which means that he was perhaps a generalist in military engineering. He fled from the city of Illiopolis or Helliopolis (the former and present Baalbek, which is 85 km from Damascus). In these territories at that time the majority of the population were Christians, since the Arabs only conquered these places thirty years ago.

Thus, the Greek and architect Kallinikos escaped from the Caliphate and brought an invention that secured the Roman Empire and its capital for a long time.

How did Greek fire work?


In fact, we do not know at all how the "Greek fire" worked. The sources say nothing about this. All hypotheses are speculative. Here are a few of the main ones.

The first option is when the oil was heated in closed boilers, after which air was pumped with bellows, which through the pipe threw this mixture at the enemy.

The second option is a piston flamethrower, which is found among the Chinese in the XNUMXth century.


Reconstruction by historians: "Greek fire" ejected from a siphon made and tested by Colin Hughes and Andrew Lacy under the direction of John Haldon. Source: John H. Pryor, E. M. Jeffreys. The age of DROMΩN The Byzantine Navy ca 500–1204. Leiden-Boston. 2006. P. 629.

Another option - a hermetically sealed siphon was heated, after which a valve or tap opened. A lit torch was brought to the outlet, the guide barrel, the escaping mixture ignited, and it could be directed to enemy ships, fortifications, warriors, and the sea burned from it.

But we do not find any of the methods of exploitation in Byzantine sources.

What exactly was used in the form of a liquid in this “sea fire” also remains a mystery. Either oil, or a mixture using oil. Moreover, we know that in Byzantium mixtures were used in fire projectiles, which were thrown by hand or with guns.

In 516, the Athenian philosopher Prok made "magic powder", an explosive mixture that was thrown into the ships of Vitalian, who was besieging Constantinople.

But here Theophanes the Byzantine clearly writes that the sea, erupting fire was a mixture. And it was possible to put it out only with the help of vinegar, as Titmar of Mirzenburgsky and John Keenam wrote about.

But, as a number of modern researchers point out, the mixture was not the key to this technology, it all came down to the training of a specialist who worked at the siphon - siphonator. It was from his experience, the ability to choose the exact warm-up time, the opening of the valve, if any, and similar skills that the successful use of "Greek fire" depended.

With the death of a siphonator in battle, the siphon became a useless weapon. We know that these weapons sometimes fell into the hands of the enemy - Arabs or Bulgarians:

“they took Delvet, and found in them thirty-six copper siphons, and a considerable amount of sea-spewing fire ...”

And the Arabs used their "Greek fire" in 835, perhaps after the flight of the strategist Euthymius to them. Further, until the XII century, nothing was heard about the “sea fire” in their hands, when Al-Tarsusi described the Greek fire under the name “naft” to Salah ad-Din, but this was a description of the method of preparing the composition, and not the exact algorithm of application " artificial fire":

Tar, mineral sulfur, naphtha, resin, take one part each; same; sandarac [red arsenic], the same; pure and transparent dolphin fat, the same; fat from goat kidneys, the same; yellow sulfur, the same. Grind what needs to be ground.
Put the resin in a cauldron on fire for a while. At the end, add mineral sulfur ... and remove [from heat], and when the resin boils, add sandarak and beat until a homogeneous mass is obtained.

There is an assumption that the "Greek fire" found itself in Russia in the XII century.

But no one really could use "artificial fire", since most of the medieval technologies were directly related exclusively to specialists who knew how to use them: "from father to son."

So, during the preparation of the expedition to Crete in 949, 30 nomisms (136,5 g, you can recalculate the cost at the current rate) were paid for the purchase of 200 liters of tin for soldering siphons of "artificial fire" by master Michael.


The use of Greek fire. Hood. I. V. Kirsanov. Source: Bannikov A. V., Morozov M. A. History of the military fleet Rome and St. Petersburg: Eurasia, 2014.

Therefore, in the end, such a technology as "sea fire" was lost, however, the disappearance of "fire" occurred on the border of the emergence of a new technology - guns. With their appearance, "Greek fire" became only the property of history. Not surprisingly, quite recently, right before our eyes in modern Russia, the technology of the future, Buran, was lost, so this is found in history.

What did the "Greek fire" look like?


Emperor Leo VI described it in detail:

One should certainly have a siphon, usually with a copper device put on it in front, through which specially made fire is erupted at the enemies.

The siphon is related to the piston pump, described in antiquity by the "father of pneumatics" Ctesibius from Alexandria, Philo of Byzantium, Heron of Alexandria. But these are all hypothetical assumptions, since these inventions are seriously behind in time.

It should be noted that on the pages of two strategies written by the emperors Leo VI and Nicephorus II Phocas, a manual siphon is mentioned, which was used on foot. Leo writes that it was he who invented this weapon. Throwing artificial fire comes from the ranks of warriors covered with shields. Perhaps such an invention could be attributed to the pranks of nobles who could afford some inventions if their budget allowed, but both the warrior and the commander Nikifor Foka describe a manual siphon:

“You should have ... a swivel with radiance [or a barrel] and hand siphons ... so that, if possible, the enemies will use a similar or equal detachment in number,”

…defeat them with fluid fire.

In other literature of this period, we do not find reports on the use of "artificial fire" from a manual siphon, perhaps after the shameful death of Basileus the warrior Nicephorus at the hands of conspirators, the death of his successor, the warrior and commander John Tzimiskes, their successors were not up to manual siphons.


Siphon and warrior. Modern miniature. 54 mm.

On the ship, the siphons were first installed on the bow and stern, from above they were covered with a boardwalk, in addition to the siphons, there were warriors with bows here, who covered the “sea fire” arrow from enemy arrows.

Next to the siphons, the term tetracula is found, perhaps, according to some researchers, this is a stand on four legs, under which a fire was kindled in a brazier.

Liuprandt of Cremona reported that in 941, during the arrival of Russia to Constantinople, the emperor and naval commander Roman Lacapid ordered to equip helandia in a different way than it was before:

“Now go and immediately equip those Helandia that are left at home. But place a device for throwing fire not only at the bow, but also at the stern and on both sides.

Because not all dromons had siphons with "sea fire". As we can see, during the campaign to Crete in 949, 2 ships were fire-bearing, and 000 were not.

The tenth century was the peak of the military and naval victories of the Romans. Leo the Deacon mentions "Greek fire" about fifteen times.

But the huge expenditures spent on the land army led to the fact that the importance of the fleet at the beginning of the 1043th century sharply decreased. When the army of Vladimir Yaroslavovich approached Constantinople in XNUMX,

“The naval forces of the Romans,” wrote Mikhail Psellus, “were not great, and the fire-bearing ships scattered along the coastal waters guarded our chapels in different places.”

But, oddly enough, with the fall of the economic, and after it the military power of Byzantium, decorations began to be used in the production of a system that ejected "sea fire". If in the XNUMXth century it was just a siphon, now it is a sculpture with a siphon.

In 1099, the fleet of the city of Pisa, having delivered the crusaders to the Middle East, on the way back, in the direction of travel, they decided to rob the islands of the Romans. Alexei Komnenos equipped a fleet against them, as his sister Anna Komnenos writes:
Knowing the experience of the Pisans in naval battles and fearing a battle with them, the emperor placed on the bow of each ship a bronze or iron head of a lion or some other animal - gilded, with gaping mouths, these heads were a terrible sight. The fire, thrown through the pipes at the enemy, passed through their mouths, and it seemed as if it was vomited by lions or other animals.

It was one of the last battles of the Romans, where "Greek fire" was massively used in a naval battle, let's add - and so described in detail:

Landulf himself was the first to swim up to the Pisan ships, but unsuccessfully threw fire and only achieved that the fire dissipated. A comet named Eleimon bravely attacked a large ship from the stern, but his ship caught on the enemy's steering wheel and could not sail. Eleimon would have been taken prisoner if he had not immediately rushed to the shells, had not thrown fire at the Pisans and hit the target. Then he quickly turned the ship around and immediately set fire to three more huge barbarian ships.
In the meantime, the wind that suddenly cleared up stirred the sea, began to ruffle the ships and threatened to sink them (the waves raged, the yards creaked and the sails were torn). The barbarians, frightened by the fire (after all, they were not accustomed to projectiles, thanks to which it is possible to direct the flame, which by its nature rises up, anywhere - down and to the sides) and frightened by the storm, decided to take flight.

One important point should be noted here, given the possibility of causing a fire on your own ship, “Greek fire” was used exclusively in calm seas, as Liuprandt of Cremona wrote about back in the 941th century. In the battle with the flotilla of Prince Igor in XNUMX, the Romans were able to use “sea fire”, since the sea calmed down on the eve of the battle, otherwise it would have been difficult to do so.


Battle of Prince Igor with the Byzantines. Radzivilov Chronicle. XNUMXth century Miniature.

As early as the 1151th century, "Greek fire" was used sporadically. John Kynam reports its single use against the Hungarian fleet on the Danube, during the war of 1171. In XNUMX, the Venetians arrested in Constantinople fled on a large three-masted ship, followed by a fire-bearing dromon. The Romans threw fire at the high-speed ship, according to Nikita Choniates, they could not get in because of the sea and the speed of the fugitives' ship, and according to John Kinama, the Venetians knew about the Byzantines' capabilities and doused their ship with bite in advance, which saved them from " sea ​​fire.

Where did the "Greek fire" go?


Where did the "Greek fire" go by the time the crusader fleet arrived at Constantinople in 1204, is it unclear?

If we do not take into account the version that

“The dux of the fleet, Mikhail Strifn, who was married to the empress’s sister, did even better: he not only exchanged anchors and nails for gold, but even sold sails and ropes, and thus did not leave a single warship in Roman harbors.”

Therefore, even during the siege of Constantinople by the crusaders, "Greek fire" was no longer used, and an attempt to use fire-ships against the crusader fleet was unsuccessful.

Here it will be appropriate to recall what happened in this very place where the crusaders stood, when the warrior-emperor John Tzimisces looked at the dromons with "Greek fire" in 970:

“Having duly offered prayers to God, he went up to the palace located there [Blachernae - Approx. ed.] to see the fire-bearing triremes. They swayed, arranged in rows, in the Bosporus, where a convenient and reliable pier for cargo ships extends, gently curving, to the bridge and the river, which flows into the sea beyond the bridge. Having admired the skilful sailing of ships in battle formation and the demonstration battle between them (there were more than three hundred of them together with boats and canoes), the emperor rewarded rowers and warriors with money and sent them to Istres ... "

To be continued ...
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  1. +4
    1 October 2022 05: 09
    And only at the beginning of the 20th century was the flamethrower re-invented. I read, I don’t remember where, that in Germany, during a siege on the maneuvers of some kind of fortress, its commandant from retired firefighters used fire hoses when repelling an attack. The idea to replace the water with a fire mixture and set it on fire lay on the surface.
    1. +5
      1 October 2022 07: 36
      We must be honest, the first flamethrower was invented not by the Romans, but by the Greeks. However, they used these siphons more for religious surroundings.
  2. +3
    1 October 2022 05: 46
    Thanks to Eduard, it seems that he knew everything before, but it was interesting to read something to refresh his memory.
    Remote destruction of the enemy ship by "fire" has been practiced since ancient times.
    Another of the already forgotten methods is the "Agrippa projectile". True, burning coal was used there.
    Perhaps the appearance of heavy Dormons by the XNUMXth century is directly related to the need to equip ships with siphons. Hence the Curonians on the late Byzantine ships, which later switched to galleys.
    1. +7
      1 October 2022 07: 19
      Good morning Vlad! smile

      I join in gratitude to the author. I found a couple of pictures here and decided to post them.

      Look at the Greeks - well, beauty!



      But what appeared centuries later has no, well, no aesthetics (just kidding).



      German flamethrowers of the First World War.
      1. +4
        1 October 2022 07: 34
        Good morning Uncle Kostya!
        Considering how they did not like to “use” red-hot cannonballs on ships in the era of the sailing fleet, having such a “burner” on board a wooden dormon is still that “zarada” !!!
        1. +2
          1 October 2022 07: 49
          What nonsense!
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Considering how they did not like to “use” red-hot cores on ships in the era of the sailing fleet

          Hardened cannonballs were used only on the shore; it is technically impossible to use hardened cannonballs on ships. Firstly, a lot of firewood is needed to heat the cores, and on the ship every cubic decimeter of the hold was in short supply. And secondly, how do you imagine the process of heating the cores in the holds of ships? Yes, everyone inside the ship will suffocate from the smoke! And firing the cannonballs on deck, and then dragging it down to the gunners? And all this during a fight?
        2. +3
          1 October 2022 07: 53
          As for the red-hot cores, you correctly noticed that the shells are more dangerous for your ship.
          However, the Americans built such ships on purpose, although they were steamboats and completely without sailing weapons.





          The American 32-gun steam floating battery "Demologos" by Robert Fulton, the world's first steam warship (the forerunner of later steam frigates), was originally designed to fire with red-hot cannonballs.
          1. +1
            1 October 2022 13: 54
            The American 32-gun steam floating battery "Demologos" by Robert Fulton, the world's first steam warship (the forerunner of later steam frigates), was originally designed to fire with red-hot cannonballs.

            I wonder what specific design feature of this ship indicates that it is designed to fire red-hot cannonballs?
            1. +1
              1 October 2022 14: 28
              Are you asking me, or is it just "a voice crying in the dark"? laughing
              1. +1
                1 October 2022 14: 40
                Yes, I'm asking you. And what is prohibited?
                1. +1
                  1 October 2022 14: 48
                  Why, everything is in order. But, unfortunately, I can’t help you with anything, this is all the information, including the engraving, that I managed to find on the net.
                  Try it for yourself, you might have better luck than me. hi
                  1. +3
                    1 October 2022 15: 03
                    Yes, I have information through the roof right up to the book Robert Fulton, Engineer and Artist: His Life and Works. But there is no information in any source that the floating battery Demologos was originally designed to fire with red-hot cannonballs. Why did I ask the question - where does this information come from.
      2. +1
        1 October 2022 07: 59
        The aesthetic feeling has been worn out over centuries of use.
        1. +3
          1 October 2022 08: 25
          So the fact of the matter is that from the ancient Greeks to the First World War, they did not use a flamethrower, they simply forgot about it. And by the World War, aesthetics gave way to pure pragmatism, although there were successful things that combined both of these qualities.
          1. 0
            1 October 2022 20: 42
            So the fact of the matter is that from the ancient Greeks to the First World War, they did not use a flamethrower, they simply forgot about it.

            During the American Civil War, the commander-in-chief of the army of the northerners, Stanton, proposed using burning oil against the besieged Fort Wagner, which he was going to pump onto the fort with the help of some kind of "engine". True, the plan was not carried out, and history, unfortunately, did not preserve the design of this device.
            1. 0
              2 October 2022 13: 22
              True, the intention was not realized


              Well, thank God, they didn’t pollute the sea and the coast, everyone was lucky.
              1. -2
                2 October 2022 14: 04
                did not pollute the sea and coast

                Yes, where are they, the sick, up to the current "sailors".
  3. +6
    1 October 2022 05: 57
    I read it with interest. It is such articles that strain the imagination and fantasies, and some more enlightened minds even make discoveries.
    good
    Not surprisingly, quite recently, right before our eyes in modern Russia, the technology of the future, Buran, was lost, so this is found in history.

    Not surprisingly, quite recently, right before our eyes in modern Russia, the technology for creating the AN-2, the workhorse of small aviation, was lost ... And the Americans unexpectedly lost the technology for creating spacesuits that allow them to stay (overcome) in the Van Allen radiation belt .. .So, this happens in history.
  4. +7
    1 October 2022 06: 52
    Quote: yuriy55
    right before our eyes in modern Russia, the technology for creating the AN-2 was lost

    Why do you think so? AN-2 was produced in Poland, and all technical documentation was stored in the USSR. In addition, now they are trying to install a turboprop engine on this aircraft and it will remain a workhorse, as before. You get a new plane with an old airframe and a new engine.

    PS I had to service this plane. From it, our paratroopers, from a height of 500 meters, performed their first jump in their lives. An excellent aircraft that forgave all the mistakes of the pilot and technical staff. Even blunders are gross...
    1. +1
      2 October 2022 22: 05
      Yeah, they twisted the lamellar filter and knocked out the "plasticine" from the centrifugal oil separator. Also in his youth he paid tribute to the grandfather of domestic aviation.
      1. 0
        3 October 2022 04: 44
        Yeah, they twisted the plate filter and knocked out the "clay" from the centrifugal oil separator

        Exactly! Also washed it. With powder... wink
  5. +1
    1 October 2022 06: 55
    In the figure, a straight rocket engine is obtained ...
  6. +4
    1 October 2022 06: 58
    Quote: kaban7
    In the figure, a straight rocket engine is obtained ...

    Almost a Laval nozzle ... wink
    1. +3
      1 October 2022 16: 30
      Almost a Laval nozzle ...
      Exactly, that without a little. However, perhaps the narrowing area in front of the throat was, in principle, it can be reached empirically. But to create a pressure drop above the critical one - (for air 1,89, for a viscous mixture - a separate task) and so, such a drop is a serious problem.
      1. +1
        1 October 2022 17: 12
        But to create a pressure drop above the critical one - (for air 1,89, for a viscous mixture - a separate task) and so, such a drop is a serious problem

        So this very difference creates a calibrated section.

        for a viscous mixture - a separate task

        Even modern pumps will probably not be able to push through a viscous mixture. We are talking about a liquid or some kind of gas-air mixture, known only to the wise men there ...
        1. +3
          1 October 2022 17: 40
          We are talking about a liquid or some kind of gas-air mixture, known only to the wise men there ...
          Definitely gas mixture. I mean that the ratio of Cp to Cv is not like that of air (1,4), but different, therefore, the difference for passing through the speed of sound in the nozzle will be different. And, most likely, burning pieces of fire mixture were rushing about, and the distance is hardly more than 50 m. It is very dangerous for a wooden ship.
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 17: 45
            I mean that the ratio of Cp to Cv is not like that of air (1,4) but different, therefore the difference for passing through the speed of sound in the nozzle will be different

            Quite right! The article said that the fire only reached something like 25-30 meters ...
  7. +7
    1 October 2022 07: 14
    Here's a real pleasure to read.
    For some reason, I didn’t bother to inquire about the origin and history of the “Greek fire”, so almost all the information presented in the article became a revelation for me. smile
    For me, "Greek fire" was, as it were, a given, a kind of voodoo of the past, which came from nowhere and disappeared into nowhere, and when exactly this happened I also did not know.
    So a personal thank you to the author.
    Now the question.
    I still didn’t understand: Greek fire was spat out of the siphon at once, in one gulp? Or was it still supplied as if from a hose for some time, albeit a short one? Or do we not even know for sure?
    smile
    1. +4
      1 October 2022 08: 10
      I still didn’t understand: Greek fire was spat out of the siphon at once, in one gulp? Or was it still supplied as if from a hose for some time, albeit a short one? Or do we not even know for sure?

      Hi Michael!
      It is not known for certain how and in what way flamethrowing took place: mechanically or by heating. A mystery that has not yet been solved. More is known about Greek siphons, they were mechanical. Something in the form of a hypersyringe, but they did not find practical application in military affairs. Just because of the short range of flamethrowing. The Byzantines apparently used heat as a witness, but these are conjectures and conjectures.
      By the way, surprisingly, the loss of competence is amazing. In the 9th and 10th centuries, Byzantium could put up to two thousand fiery dormons, and then zilch !!!
      1. +1
        1 October 2022 08: 35
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        It is not known for certain how and in what way flamethrowing took place.

        This is all from the fact that it is not known for certain which agent the Byzantines used - liquid, gaseous or solid ...
        1. +3
          1 October 2022 12: 01
          I suggest jelly. Jelly whipped to the state of eggnog.
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 12: 09
            I offer jelly

            The jelly-like mass will be difficult to push through the calibrated nozzle. Perhaps it will be either a liquid or a gas ...
            1. +3
              1 October 2022 13: 02
              The liquid itself cannot burn - its vapors burn. The gas will not go far from the nozzle.
              Whipped to the state of a soufflé (which means containing air in itself), the substance is capable of explosive combustion and can have sufficient weight and, I don’t know what it is called in science, do not pick up words, such as the connection of particles to each other, which does not allow the substance to scatter like a fan, so that, having flown out of the nozzle, for some time to maintain the flight path.
      2. +3
        1 October 2022 11: 56
        Hello, Vlad.
        It always seemed to me that the whole thing was in the liquid - it should sharply increase its volume during combustion. It was the secret of its manufacture that was the main secret. If the secret were in the siphon, I think that among the "partners" of Byzantium there would certainly be craftsmen who could copy them. And the potion, even if it falls into the hands, is not so easy to copy.
        Apparently, the recipe for this liquid was passed down from generation to generation in the same family or in the same workshop, and at some point this transmission was interrupted and the secret was lost.
        1. +3
          1 October 2022 12: 15
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          If the secret were in the siphon, I think that among the "partners" of Byzantium there would certainly be craftsmen who could copy them.

          The siphon, as you call it, is just a tool for enhancing the action of the working substance - it increases the speed of the flame and its range ...

          Of course, the secret is in the potion itself...
          1. +5
            1 October 2022 12: 56
            Quote: Luminman
            Of course, the secret is in the potion itself...

            If everyone thought so, hypotheses about pneumatic mechanisms or a piston system like a syringe would not be put forward, but they are put forward.
            1. +1
              1 October 2022 13: 02
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              hypotheses about pneumatic mechanisms or a piston system like a syringe

              Pneumatic mechanisms and a piston system are just a drive for "spewing" a fire-breathing potion. The main thing is the potion itself. Therein lies the secret...
      3. +5
        1 October 2022 16: 36
        In the 9th and 10th centuries, Byzantium could put up to two thousand fiery dormons, and then zilch !!!
        Vladislav, you should not believe the officialdom of that time about the number of troops and ships. Both were limited by the economic capabilities of states and the ability to manage certain formations. The maximum number of troops participating in the battles was reached during the Napoleonic Wars and amounted to tens of thousands on each side. In naval battles - hardly more than a few hundred ships at the same time. However, Papuans on pirogues can be collected several thousand from each side.
        1. +2
          1 October 2022 21: 02
          You are more than right! Although it must be admitted, even if it is an order of magnitude less, then 200 people with the competencies of shooting "Greek fire" is also not a little.
          1. +3
            1 October 2022 21: 14
            Did you need 200? This number of fighting ships came only during the Battle of Lepanto (they write about 400 ships, but it seems that this is also a PR action). Byzantines, I think, and 20 flamethrowers were enough.
            1. +3
              1 October 2022 21: 40
              Quote: Aviator_
              Did you need 200? This number of fighting ships came only during the Battle of Lepanto (they write about 400 ships, but it seems that this is also a PR action). Byzantines, I think, and 20 flamethrowers were enough.

              Well, you can't refuse them modesty. For example, without a twinge they pointed out that they burned 20 monks of Vladimir, the son of Yaroslav the Wise!
    2. +4
      1 October 2022 10: 25
      Michael,
      welcome
      I still didn’t understand: Greek fire was spat out of the siphon at once, in one gulp? Or was it still supplied as if from a hose for some time, albeit a short one? Or do we not even know for sure?

      There are many opinions, it seems to me that a jet of fire flew out of the barrel and then watered the enemy until the end of the mixture:
      “The first to come out on his dromon, the patrician scattered the formation of the ships of the dews, burned many of them with fire, while the rest fled.”

      But that's a guess... the question arises if there was a jet, how did it not touch its own dromon.
      hi
      1. +3
        1 October 2022 10: 56
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        it seems to me that a jet of fire flew out of the barrel and then watered the enemy until the end of the mixture

        Judging by the configuration of the nozzle (Laval nozzle) and if the drawings of ancient eyewitnesses are correct, then they poured either gas or some kind of liquid mixture

        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        the question arises if there was a jet, how did it not touch its own dromon

        Everything is simple here! The speed of the liquid (or gas) outflow is greater than the speed of flame propagation. It's like a gas burner...
      2. +6
        1 October 2022 12: 07
        The latter is solved simply: the siphon nozzle during firing and its completion is overboard. If "from the end" it dripped, then into the sea. smile
  8. +5
    1 October 2022 07: 54
    Excellent, Edward! Velma is interesting!
  9. -1
    1 October 2022 07: 55
    Greek fire was not used anywhere except in the Eastern Roman Empire, not because no one could ever find out the secret of this mixture, but because its effectiveness was none. If Greek fire were indeed an effective weapon, then everyone would use it. As an example, we can take firearms, when literally in one century the whole of Eurasia mastered the technology of making gunpowder and cannons and all states began to use artillery.
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      1 October 2022 08: 41
      Quote: Belousov_Kuzma_Egorovich
      literally in one century, all of Eurasia mastered the technology of making gunpowder and cannons

      Firearms are mass weapons. With such a massive use of weapons, it is simply impossible to hide anything. And the technology of "Greek fire" was known to a few, only the initiated. It's like a recipe for Coca-Cola or Becherevka liqueur...
      1. -1
        1 October 2022 08: 47
        And why did the Greek fire not become massive? Maybe just because no one else needed him? And in my opinion, the composition of black powder is no simpler than a mixture of petroleum products with thickeners. Well, if the composition of smoky gunpowder was quickly unraveled and mastered the production of gunpowder, then they would also be able to quickly reveal the composition of Greek fire.
        1. +1
          1 October 2022 09: 14
          And why did the Greek fire not become massive?

          Because the Byzantines did not want this ...
          1. -1
            1 October 2022 09: 19
            Quote: Luminman
            Because the Byzantines did not want this ...

            Rave. The spread of effective weapons is not hindered by any prohibitions and secrets. Look how many times Popes banned crossbows and arquebuses, but all of Europe used crossbows and arquebuses.
            1. +2
              1 October 2022 10: 43
              Rave. The spread of effective weapons is not hindered by any prohibitions and secrets

              Secrets get in the way. There are no bans...
              1. 0
                1 October 2022 11: 31
                Quote: Luminman

                Secrets get in the way. There are no bans...

                And what's so difficult? Oil has been known to people since ancient times.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2022 11: 37
                  Oil has been known to people since ancient times.

                  Are you sure it was oil?
                  1. -2
                    1 October 2022 11: 46
                    Quote: Luminman
                    Are you sure it was oil?

                    What happened? A magical artifact invented by the magicians of Rome?
    2. +2
      1 October 2022 14: 12
      Quote: Belousov_Kuzma_Egorovich
      Greek fire was not used anywhere except in the Eastern Roman Empire, not because no one could ever find out the secret of this mixture, but because its effectiveness was none. If Greek fire were indeed an effective weapon, then everyone would use it. As an example, we can take firearms, when literally in one century the whole of Eurasia mastered the technology of making gunpowder and cannons and all states began to use artillery.

      Perhaps the problems were complex!
      At least the ingredients of the recipe were known. Siphons also turned out to be captured in battles more than once or twice. Buying up, intimidating the "master" of Greek fire was also not a problem. Moreover, history has preserved the facts of the use of these weapons by both Arabs and Persians.
      However, everything in the complex, plus the method of manufacture, could create insurmountable obstacles. However, as a specific application - in the fleet!
      However, the first firearms did not indulge their users either. In most cases, instead of "newfangled" bombards, the walls of the fortresses were broken by old and proven trebuchets and catapults.
  10. +6
    1 October 2022 07: 56
    Yes, an interesting topic that leaves more questions after reading each work related to it than bringing some clarity.
    In my opinion, it is necessary to answer two main questions: the composition of the combustible mixture and the design and performance characteristics of the device.
    There is no doubt that Greek fire existed.
    The fact that the composition, the device was secreted and, in addition, "mythologized" is indisputable.
    It is hardly possible to repeat this now. Analog - yes, but not a copy.
    1. +1
      2 October 2022 18: 18
      It is hardly possible to repeat this now. Analog - yes, but not a copy.

      Well, at least our Sergey Mikhailov provided a photo copy of the device for the article - very good! drinks
  11. +5
    1 October 2022 07: 58
    Thanks Edward!
    Very interesting. Please correct the year of death of Aristotle Fioravanti.

    My great-grandfather's name was Callinicus. I always followed with interest the activities of his namesakes.
    1. +3
      1 October 2022 10: 25
      My great-great-grandfather on the great-grandmother's line from the mother's side was called Kalina. Or maybe Kalinnik.
      I thought from the name of the plant wassat )))
      1. +2
        1 October 2022 20: 08
        In short - Kalina. And completely - Kallinikos. My grandmother's name and patronymic were written: Evdokia Kalichna.
        1. +3
          1 October 2022 20: 16
          And my great-grandmother was called Evdokia Kalinovna. Somewhere we are relatives wassat )))
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 21: 11
            We already found out. If from Adam and Eve, then by all means.
            1. +3
              2 October 2022 18: 19
              If from Adam and Eve, then by all means.

              If according to Darwin - too. wink
    2. +5
      1 October 2022 10: 35
      Sergey,
      good day,
      Thanks! What's wrong with the date? it seems not earlier than 1586, is it not known for sure?
      Yes, and the name of the great-great-grandfather is very interesting.
      hi
      1. +2
        1 October 2022 17: 44
        Good evening Edward! Extra hundred years attributed.

        And when the church calendar was used, then a variety of names was provided.
  12. +3
    1 October 2022 08: 03
    There is an assumption that the "Greek fire" found itself in Russia in the XII century.
    I read for a long time that Princess Olga used Greek fire during the siege of Ovruch. Although it raised doubts, it was stated quite logically.
    1. +4
      1 October 2022 10: 31
      Alex,
      good day,
      I also read about this, in the "Technology of Youth", I liked the same, although there was a lot of fantasy)))
      And scientifically similar versions always went with a bang.
      Olga used another unique, "analogue" weapon, as we all remember, birds that burned Iskorosten.
      We also meet in the sagas, perhaps borrowing the Scandinavians from Olga)))
      hi
      1. +2
        1 October 2022 10: 49
        I made a mistake, as if Iskorosten. I do not argue that it looks fantastic. When I read it, somehow I couldn’t imagine how they used it. It was necessary to drag the devices almost close to the walls, it was not so long-range. And where does the assumption come from that Greek fire could appear in Russia in the 12th century? By "analogue" I don't remember anymore the use of birds to destroy cities in Russia. Apparently this was the only case or not? hi
        1. +3
          1 October 2022 11: 00
          The suggestion was made by Kirpichnikov.
          hi
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 11: 08
            The suggestion was made by Kirpichnikov
            What is it based on? I did not meet the use of Greek fire in Russia, in the 12th century. In addition to the fantasy version, about Princess Olga. hi
            1. +3
              1 October 2022 11: 31
              No, not about Olga. Honestly, I don’t remember, I need to pick up work, but I’m not at home hi
        2. +3
          1 October 2022 11: 11
          By "analogue" I don't remember anymore the use of birds to destroy cities in Russia. Apparently this was the only case or not?

          And the very use of birds by Olga causes great skepticism in many.
          As he wrote, the second case, "The Saga of Harald the Severe" and the information available there about how he took the city in Sicily in the same way. hi
          1. +2
            1 October 2022 11: 23
            Yes, I am aware of this case. When I read it, I also thought, well, just like Princess Olga. smile But still an interesting case, where did the legs grow from? There are no specifics. The Chinese had "fire crows", arrows on powder charges, such cruise missiles, with an incendiary mixture, a powder charge propulsor. And what kind of "birds" does Olga have? And various: "sparrows", "pigeons".
            1. +4
              1 October 2022 11: 32
              And what kind of "birds" does Olga have? And various: "sparrows", "pigeons".

              What were in Iskorosten
              1. +2
                1 October 2022 11: 35
                What were in Iskorosten
                When they were caught
                documents were checked, registration in Iskoresten. laughing hi To fly where you need to. smile
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  14. +1
    1 October 2022 09: 51
    the fleet of Prince Igor was defeated just from the Greek fire used by the enemy. This was already recorded in Nestor's chronicle.
    By the way, even before Kallinikos, other chemists invented similar ways to hit enemies with fire, only the mixture was from dry components, and not from liquid ones. But here is the sweat after in the twelfth century
    the secret of the composition of Greek fire became known to others, Greek fire somehow quickly began to go out of fashion. All the same, the compositions of mixtures from dry ingredients took the upper hand
  15. +2
    1 October 2022 13: 07
    For some reason, everyone thinks (and I, before reading the comments on this article) that Greek fire is necessarily just a combustible liquid based on oil, something like ancient gasoline. Many people then knew oil, and all sorts of incendiary shells based on it were used both before and after. But those who saw the Greek fire did not believe that you can just take any combustible liquid and it will be the same. Most likely, it was really the impossibility for the then technology to apply sufficient pressure mechanically to fire liquids over a long distance, otherwise the trophy mechanisms could at least be used by replacing liquid fuel with their own analogue, and as a maximum, establish the production of analogues. Is there a description of how far Greek fire erupted with full-fledged sea carriers? The assumption of creating pressure not mechanically seems to me worthy of interest, and most likely it was not heating (for simple thermal expansion), which is easily understood and reproducible, and has many disadvantages for combat use and possibly also insufficient range, but a chemical reaction with a sharp increase in volume. Perhaps it was a mixture of a combustible component and a component responsible for creating pressure. It turned out something like a bottle of cola with mentos thrown into it, only the bottle was made of thick-walled copper, filled with a flammable liquid (there could be many options) and the main secret of Greek fire is a liquid component, with a certain impact or mixing, it begins to release a huge volume of some kind of gas , pushing fuel through a hole in the siphon under unprecedented pressure for those times.
    1. +3
      1 October 2022 17: 05
      Good afternoon,
      and a chemical reaction with a sharp increase in volume.

      Very interesting option!
      Really explains a lot.
      hi
      1. 0
        2 November 2022 20: 17
        manual flamethrower ROKS-3
        "A knapsack flamethrower gun consists of the following main parts: a lighter with a frame, a barrel assembly, a handguard, a chamber, a stock with a crutch, a trigger guard and a gun belt. The total length of the gun is 940 mm, and the weight is 4 kg.

        For firing from the ROKS-3 infantry knapsack flamethrower, liquid and viscous (thickened with a special OP-2 powder) fire mixtures are used. The following could be used as components of the liquid fire mixture: crude oil; diesel fuel; a mixture of fuel oil, kerosene and gasoline in a proportion of 50% - 25% - 25%; as well as a mixture of fuel oil, kerosene and gasoline in the proportion of 60% - 25% - 15%. Another option for compiling the fire mixture was as follows - creosote, green oil, gasoline in the proportion of 50% - 30% - 20%. The following substances could be used as the basis for creating viscous fire mixtures: a mixture of green oil and benzene head (50/50); mixture of heavy solvent and benzene head (70/30); a mixture of green oil and benzene head (70/30); a mixture of diesel fuel and gasoline (50/50); mixture of kerosene and gasoline (50/50). The average weight of one charge of the fire mixture was 8,5 kg. At the same time, the range of flamethrowing with liquid fire mixtures was 20-25 meters, and with viscous ones - 30-35 meters. "
        The pressure in the fire mixture tank when fired is 15-17 atmospheres.
        It is described above in the recipe "green oil" - I don't know what it is, but "green soap" - is obtained by treating cattle fats or vegetable oils with potassium hydroxide. As a result of a chemical reaction, a greenish soapy emulsion is formed, which is easily soluble in water. The main active ingredient of this drug is potassium salts of fatty acids. Very suitable for recipes. Potassium hydroxide is obtained from wood ash.
        Found, green oil is a product of dry distillation of oil or coal. moreover, it is a rather diverse mixture of aromatic hydrocarbons.
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    2 October 2022 13: 32
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