Reformatting Consciousness: On the Way to the Great Reform

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Reformatting Consciousness: On the Way to the Great Reform
"Reading the Manifesto February 19, 1861". Boris Kustodiev (1878–1927), 1909 Nizhny Novgorod State Art Museum

“You are good, royal letter,
Yes, you are not written with us ... "

N. A. Nekrasov “Who is living well in Russia”

Difficult story humanity. Once upon a time there was a tsar - Emperor Nicholas I. He considered himself the arbiter of the destinies of Europe, the guardian of peace, the scourge of the revolution. And what did his power eventually turn into for him? Defeat in the Crimean War. And ... this war was rather strange (by the way, the story about it on the pages of VO has not yet been completed), and it was a strange defeat. Here is how the well-known Slavophile Yu. F. Samarin described it:

"We surrendered not to the external forces of the Western Union, but to our internal impotence."

That is, the result of the war was that all its participants ... looked at themselves from the outside. And they saw and were horrified: England - to its losses, and losses not in combat, but in sanitary ones, France continued the policy of unprincipled political maneuvering, Austria-Hungary experienced a purely bastard pleasure from shaming Russia, after which she herself was humiliated in 1918 and generally disappeared from the map world, and Russia ...



Russia saw that it lacked capitalism – railways, factories, modern rifles and revolvers, steam ships… A lot of things were missing. But in abundance she had dark, downtrodden and backward peasants.

The heavy legacy of the past reign


Thus, the accession to the throne on February 19, 1855 of Emperor Alexander II took place under very dramatic circumstances: military defeats and general dissatisfaction with the old government. But, fortunately, all power is limited by human nature. So, with the death of Nikolai, the society seemed to wake up, and all the expectations that were latently accumulating in it were resurrected in an instant. Slavophil V. S. Aksakov wrote:

“Everyone involuntarily felt that some kind of stone, some kind of press was removed from everyone, and it became easier to breathe.”

The tragedy of his father also became a drama for the young emperor, who was convinced of the futility of the labors of his crowned father.

"Sevastopol hit the stagnant minds",

- wrote V. O. Klyuchevsky, and this concerned the minds not only of ordinary Russian inhabitants, but also of the youngest sovereign. In the fall, he dismissed the stealing Count P. A. Kleinmichel, and after the fall of Sevastopol, he personally went to the Crimea and made sure that ... the situation in the country needed to be radically changed!

Moreover, a real wave of notes, proposals and entire notebooks filled with beautiful handwriting with plans and proposals for reforms began to come to St. Petersburg from all over the country, which would have been completely impossible under the reign of the past emperor. By the way, K. S. Aksakov, a well-known critic and writer, one of the earliest and most prominent Slavophiles in the country, also pleased the tsar with such a note, by the way, as they say, one of the best in content. That is, reforms were expected, they were dreamed of, they were offered. It was up to the Emperor Sovereign to answer.

To reform step by step: 1856


And he answered, although not immediately, but in March of the following year, 1856, immediately after the conclusion of the Paris Peace Treaty. In his Manifesto on the end of the war, the following lines were found:

"... and everyone, under the shadow of laws, for all equally fair, equally patronizing, may he enjoy in the world the fruit of the labors of the innocent."

It would seem that there is such a thing? But there is nothing surprising in this only for us. For the people of that Russia, the words about equally fair laws for all meant only one thing - the transformation of 25 million serfs, whom the laws of the Russian Empire practically did not concern, into full-fledged citizens of the country, that is, it was a direct hint at the upcoming breakdown of the entire existing system!

But the population of the country was even more excited by the speech of Alexander II on March 30, 1856 in front of the county and provincial marshals of the nobility in Moscow. It was then that he said that it was better to abolish serfdom from above than to wait until it began to abolish itself from below. So the Great Reforms began in Russia by no means in 1861, as it is written in school textbooks, but much earlier, and they started precisely with the reformatting of consciousness. That is, to put it simply, the same landowners were told what to expect.

Further - more: an amnesty was announced for prisoners, including the Decembrists, free travel abroad was allowed, censorship of the press was weakened, military settlements were canceled, peasants were freed from recruitment sets for three years, and they were also forgiven for tax arrears.

"Acceleration of movement": 1857


In 1859, in a letter to Pope Pius IX, Alexander II wrote that:

"After the conclusion of peace, Emperor Napoleon convinced me to start this business ... earlier than I thought."

Here it is, it turns out that the victor Napoleon III already hurried Alexander with the abolition of serfdom, but he could have remained silent, even if, they say, Russia continues to remain in its ordinary, vile ordinariness. But no - developing France needed markets and sources of raw materials, and Russia, which followed the capitalist path, would in this case be an ideal partner for it, if only because both countries did not like ... England!

It was necessary to ensure a change in the minds, and those who just had serfs. That is to change the consciousness of the landowners. A Secret Committee was created, which began by preparing a rescript on the abolition of serfdom in the three Baltic provinces: Kovno, Vilna and Grodno, following the example of the Ostzee region (present-day Baltic), where soul dependence on landlords was abolished back in 1816–1819 ., but the release is carried out without land. Alexander II signed this rescript on November 20, 1857, and thus launched the "mechanism of change" in Russia.

On December 5 of the same year, provincial noble committees began to be created throughout Russia. In 1858, 46 of them were created in Central Russia. And although from the very beginning everyone quarreled among themselves there, the information went to the people, as they say. Someone “from the bar” said something, his servant “from the ordinary” heard, retold in the tavern, enjoying the feeling of his own importance, the sex in the tavern was a village one and retold all the same to fellow countrymen, and they carried it even further, like this and went and went information about the coming changes throughout the great Russia.

1858: four letters from Count Rostovtsev


And then unrest began in the same Estonia, where the peasants demanded not only personal freedom, but also land. And how, under such conditions, to free the peasants in Russia? And then the sovereign-emperor in September-October 1858 receives from Count Rostovtsev four consecutive letters from abroad. And they contain an urgent request to the tsar to give the peasants land and make sure that, firstly, the peasants immediately feel the benefits of their new position, secondly, the landowner would also feel that his interests are not infringed, and thirdly, so that the authorities carried out changes without hesitation, because all people respect only firm authority.

Such a sharp change in the views of the faithful courtier - and it was he who warned Nicholas I about the Decembrist conspiracy, could have seemed a miracle if it had not been based on his ... ardent love for his sons, in this case for one of them, who studied in Heidelberg and sick there. And now, being on his deathbed, the son recalled to his father this shameful fact, which tarnished the name of their family, and took his word from him to make amends with help in the liberation of the peasants. At these words, Rostovtsev shed tears and repented, and then took an oath at the coffin to fulfill the promise and ... did it!

And the young tsar, it must be said, listened to his words, and at a meeting on December 4, 1858, with the power given to him, he ordered the members of the Committee, without any discussion, to adopt the reform program as amended, providing for the allocation of land to the peasants. The new project was signed on February 1, 1859 ...

Summary of six years of reign


Now it only remained to decide how it would all look technically, without losing sight of a single detail. For example, the norm of land allocated to peasants could not be uniform throughout Russia, but had to take into account many local conditions. Even the religious factor was important. So, in Western Belarus and Western Ukraine, the peasants were mostly Ukrainians and Belarusians, but the landowners were Catholic Poles. Here it was important not to offend the peasants, while in the central provinces everything was exactly the opposite.

To solve all practical issues, on February 2, 1859, Editorial Commissions were established, headed by Count Rostovtsev. A significant part of the liberal-minded bureaucracy and nobility was involved in their work, as opposed to the old retrogrades from the past era. Rostovtsev said that "Russia is in limbo," so the commissions need to hurry. And there was a lot to be done. Each province developed its own, local regulations and norms of land allocation. The personal and property rights of peasants, the procedure for redemption payments, and much more were determined.

After the death of Rostovtsev in 1860, the conservatives seemed to be gaining the upper hand again, but they could not do anything about the Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolayevich, who acted as an energetic champion of reforms. Under his leadership, meetings of the Main Committee (the commissions were now dissolved) took place almost daily, and the matter advanced so far that it became possible to begin preparing the manifesto itself.

On January 14, 1861, the emperor signed the last minutes of his meetings. And already on February 19, six years after his accession to the throne, he also signed a manifesto on the liberation of the Russian peasantry ...

And now we can say that the government, which was sufficiently preoccupied with observing the interests of the landowners, primarily in preparing them morally for the reform, did practically nothing to ensure that the peasants would also be waiting for the reform, if not as a holiday, then, at least, without aversion to innovation. This was not done, primarily because the authorities at that time simply were not used to reckoning with the opinion of the people, and precisely because the rulers simply did not have time to learn to reckon with the peasantry, and it would be a sin for that blame the top!

To be continued ...
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  1. +7
    3 October 2022 05: 56
    It still does not occur to the descendants of these peasants that they do not live under the Tsar and the nobles, but they themselves bear historical responsibility if they turned out to be incapable or thieving at the helm. As before, they write notes "how to nadyt to rule according to the mind" .... How familiar all this is!

    As a result, a society of tens of millions of people turns out to be unable to nominate those who would develop it, and not rob it. The richest country in the world lives at the level of Colombia at number 70 in the ranking of countries ......
    1. +2
      3 October 2022 11: 09
      Quote: ivan2022
      As a result, a society of tens of millions of people turns out to be unable to nominate those who would develop it, and not rob it.

      It's not about people, it's just that there are technologies that allow holding elections with the desired result. This is not only with us, we are far from the first to do this. I emphasize that no one deals with ballot stuffing as unnecessary.
  2. 0
    3 October 2022 06: 11
    ***
    "The great chain broke
    Torn - spilled
    One end on the master,
    Others for a man! .. "...
    ***
    1. +5
      3 October 2022 07: 54
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      "The great chain broke
      Torn - spilled
      One end on the master,
      Others for a man! .. "...

      This would be the epigraph to the second article ...
  3. By the way, many astrologers compare the current situation with the Crimean war. Lots of parallels.
    1. +4
      3 October 2022 07: 55
      Quote: Oorfene Juice and his Wooden Soldiers
      compare the current situation with the Crimean war.

      I am not an astrologer, but this will also be discussed. The cycle "Unknown Wars" about the Crimean War is not finished!
  4. -1
    3 October 2022 07: 34
    The article is very weak, about nothing, it is noticeable that it was hastily done, carelessly.
    1. +4
      3 October 2022 12: 40
      done, stupidly.

      This is the creative credo of the author. Not a single person can sing in all nine octaves. There was only one phenomenon - Tim Storms and a few other people, but these are the only ones.
      Shpakovsky publishes four articles on weapons, locks and philosophy in two days, since the topic of social consciousness is philosophy. Moreover, in all topics he is a layman. Social consciousness is a complex system of ideal forms, images, opinions, experiences, assimilated by large groups of people who are guided by these ideas in their lives. You can't write about him on your knee!
      Therefore, all the "creativity" of this author is pure trash, designed for an undemanding audience.
      1. +1
        3 October 2022 12: 50
        Quote from Nephilim
        designed for an undemanding audience.

        As a representative of this most undemanding audience, I can guess for what reason such articles are written, namely, to cause srach, for example, by a stupid comparison of the current state of affairs, with the affairs of past years - the Crimean War, "great" reforms, which (reforms) and derailed Russia.
        1. +4
          3 October 2022 13: 27
          for what reason such articles are written, namely, to cause a srach

          In this regard, I do not agree with you. In general, provocative journalism is not for this author. The question is simpler - the site is experiencing very serious problems with quality content. If you have noticed, almost all worthy authors have either left or write very rarely. Here Shpakovsky fills the vacuum as best he can, for a small share. But it is not possible to issue such a number of high-quality articles per week. Hence - hack-work and copyright of everything that comes to hand.
          1. +4
            3 October 2022 14: 57
            But it is not possible to issue such a number of high-quality articles per week.


            Maybe. This is when the Author has accumulated vast knowledge, the style has been perfected and there is an understanding that a modern reader will not be able to master a long article that puts on the shelves all the problems associated with the question raised, he will simply stop reading in the middle, if not at the very beginning. Especially in our troubled time, when thoughts are about something else.
            This is one. And here is another.
            The author deliberately leaves gaps that can be filled by such giants of knowledge and thought as you, the son of Seth. Gives you a chance to shine. So shine! I will read it with interest and exclaim in shock: "So that's how it really was!" wassat )))
            1. +3
              3 October 2022 20: 03
              Maybe. This is when the Author has accumulated vast knowledge, perfected the style

              Even in this ideal case, this is not possible, unless some kind of supertalent like Edward Murrow or Bob Woodward with Karl Bernstein will take up the matter. But, I beg your pardon, those are not observed on the site. He smiled about the accumulation of vast knowledge, especially against the background of Shpakovsky's open statement: "For what I bought, for that I sold."
              Shining against the backdrop of copyright gaps is not interesting to me for certain reasons.
              son of Seth

              I like the Josephus version better.
            2. +2
              4 October 2022 07: 08
              Quote: depressant
              And here is another.

              Where are you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, with your miserable little mind going? Here a person reads Edward Murrow and Bob Woodward with Karl Bernstein, but can we really do that with you?
              1. +2
                4 October 2022 08: 18
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, do not use swear words in the morning! I don't understand foreign curses like "Murrow" and others - I'm ignorant! It is available only to you.
                And in general, good morning!
                I look out the window - at the shape of the clouds, there seems to be no dangerous outlines. I thought - there are no white sheets. To the cemetery - dashing kilometers.
                1. +4
                  4 October 2022 12: 05
                  Quote: depressant
                  And in general, good morning!

                  And you have a good day. Especially for you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna will tell you about the benefits of swear words.
                  It was like this: one publishing house published in its book 5 drawings redrawn by an artist from another artist ... recognizable. It happens ... And the first artist, having learned about this, demanded compensation - 1,5 million rubles. It is clear that it was necessary to decide through the courts. But the editor turned to me... I found a photo of the plaintiff, such an intelligent mug with glasses, a person who thinks of himself a lot, and advised the editor, also an intelligent person, to write in response: "Go to ...!" and further in drunken Russian. He was ashamed, but... mindful of the amount, he wrote. So what? The artist was offended and replied that, if so, then he does not want to have anything to do with such uncultured people. And it is said, call at least a pot, just don’t put it in the stove. So in just two words, the editor got rid of the trial, examination, and payments (if he lost). That's how important it is to properly spit on some people's egos.
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2022 13: 02
                    It was like this: one publishing house published in its book 5 drawings redrawn by an artist from another artist ... recognizable. It happens...

                    Cool story, Vyacheslav Olegovich! )))
                    But there are people who waste saliva on them - like instilling shameless eyes with the useful vitamin "katachrome", it strengthens them! More piercing predatory look! I wanted to give advice, they say, never mind ...
                    And how not to take when it is taken? This is our weakness - to let everything in. The barrier has not been built. Think about it wassat )))
                    And by the way! In addition to Bidstrup's albums, I once also had an album by some Georgian artist - an exact copy of Bidstrus' picture series. I looked, wondered how it is possible, this is plagiarism! And there was the Union. Then, apparently, it was possible. The only difference is that the whole world knows Bidstrup, and even I forgot this)))
                    1. +1
                      4 October 2022 13: 54
                      Quote: depressant
                      Think about it

                      Oh, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, behind me is a university and a lecture group of the district committee of the 80s, PR of the 90s in all its beauty, and ... cathedral "fun" of the 2000s ... So ... here is "armor "Cleaner than the armadillo Duilio." The main rule here is not to pay anyone, and since you are not paying anyone, then what to worry about. It's a shame when you were forced to open your wallet and this affected the well-being of your loved ones.
          2. +1
            3 October 2022 18: 15
            Then what is it that constantly pulls you here like a fly on shit? And there are no good authors, and undemanding readers, but you are here all the time, however. Among dullness and primitivism ... You need to go where people and articles are of a level worthy of you. I wrote to you: let me get acquainted with your mental works ... Everyone will be interested in how erudite you are for us, the miserable, here. Make me happy... But I keep waiting and waiting for something.
            1. -1
              3 October 2022 20: 07
              Then what is it that constantly pulls you here like a fly on shit?

              Again kultureshka jumped? I am an amateur - an entomologist, and therefore pulls.
              1. +1
                3 October 2022 21: 36
                You wrote incorrectly: an amateur entomologist would be attracted to individuals of his own species (or circle), that is, highly educated and knowledgeable, and if you are drawn to shit, then you should have written - "I am an amateur cop" - that's more accurate!
                1. +3
                  3 October 2022 21: 49
                  Do you know the meaning of the word "entomology"? Obviously not, otherwise they would know that entomologists have to look for objects of study in the most unexpected places.
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2022 07: 03
                    It is strange that you are looking for a subject to study in a bad place. In good need. That is, on highly intelligent sites, where such a highly gifted personality has a place to turn around.
                  2. -1
                    4 October 2022 07: 04
                    Quote from Nephilim
                    Obviously not

                    I used to read The Fifteen-Year-Old Captain. There the entomologist was explicit (a word forbidden in VO). .
            2. 0
              3 October 2022 21: 38
              Quote: kalibr
              I wrote to you: let me get acquainted with your mental works ... Everyone will be interested in how erudite you are for us, the miserable, here. Make me happy... But I keep waiting and waiting for something.

              And will this be the answer?
              1. +3
                3 October 2022 21: 54
                And will this be the answer?

                You already have the answer. You just need to try to use processus cogitandi instead of a raging culture - and the secret will become clear.
                1. +1
                  4 October 2022 07: 00
                  You know, I didn't find it. It's easier to give a link to the work here. Is it so hard to repeat?
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2022 08: 47
                    It's easier to link

                    Don't look for the easy way, look for the right one.
                    1. 0
                      4 October 2022 11: 51
                      Quote from Nephilim
                      Don't look for the easy way, look for the right one.

                      And you are a talker, my dear. I have never refused VO to people who asked for a link to their own or known to me works. You can't disrespect others that much. It's not beautiful.
                2. +2
                  4 October 2022 08: 24
                  try using processus cogitandi

                  Hee hee s!
                  Or perhaps simpler - cui prodest?
                  What is the modern interpretation - follow the money.
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2022 08: 50
                    Or perhaps simpler - cui prodest?

                    Try it. It will be interesting to read your excercises in this direction.
                    1. +3
                      4 October 2022 09: 41
                      It will be interesting to read your excercises in this direction.

                      Colleague, stop this filthy thing - to fight with the authors. If you don't like it, object with reason, give facts. But you don't like this way of putting the question, do you? After all, objecting with reason, or supplementing the article, you thereby take the author as if seriously, and you want to show that you are much higher than him, that you are not on the same step with him, he is swarming somewhere at the bottom of the hall, and you are on the upper platform historical palace stairs ... And now I'm thinking, why do you need this? You came, you were greeted extremely friendly, and you can't have any complaints about people looking into the Historical Section. And if you suddenly start beating these people, they simply won't understand you. But aggression boils inside, doesn't it? And you turn your eyes to the Author - he is defenseless! He doesn't even have the right to rate you. It turns out that you are hitting a person who is obviously put at a disadvantage in relation to you. And everyone sees it!
                      And, you know what happens? There are people like you, lovers of beating the Author, but the guts are thin! But then you appeared and immediately designated yourself the leader of the opposition in the hope that these quiet people would support your banner. But here's the problem! There is no platform - an ideological one. And without this, no opposition will exist for a long time.
                      Platform - show! wassat )))
                      1. +3
                        4 October 2022 10: 07
                        I expected something in the style of Miss Marple, but you even exceeded my expectations, creating the image of a certain ruthless and obsessed Javert chasing the poor and defenseless Jean Valjean. Or maybe the author is not Valjean, but Thenardier? Have you considered this option?
                      2. +1
                        4 October 2022 11: 55
                        Why are you all demonstrating your erudition to everyone? Everyone has already seen that you are a well-read person and thank God. Now there is not much left: give a link to your own work so that everyone can appreciate it.
                      3. +2
                        4 October 2022 13: 58
                        give a link to your own work so that everyone can appreciate it
                        .
                        Remember Gogol's "Evenings on a Farm near Dikanka"? There, Patsyuk Vakule, to his question, how to find the devil, answers: "He does not have to go far, who has the devil behind him."
                      4. 0
                        4 October 2022 14: 04
                        The easiest way is to give a link, and not to dodge.
                      5. +2
                        4 October 2022 14: 19
                        Easier, of course. But there are certain factors that prevent movement along the shortest path.
                      6. 0
                        4 October 2022 14: 51
                        Only the Count of Monte Cristo was still missing here!
                      7. +2
                        4 October 2022 16: 13
                        In the meantime, there is something in it! There are many Danglars and Villeforts here, not to mention the Caderousses. Why not be Monte Cristo.
                      8. 0
                        4 October 2022 16: 51
                        Because stupid people play Monte Cristo. It is tiring to watch how an adult uncle builds it out of himself or mows it down to look like someone else who is shrouded in a veil of secrecy. It's stupid.
                      9. +1
                        4 October 2022 18: 14
                        Because stupid people play Monte Cristo.

                        Here's the twist! So you yourself suggested Monte Cristo! I supported out of courtesy.
                      10. +3
                        4 October 2022 13: 17
                        I read it and got numb)))
                        A literary image to you - why? Trying to make excuses wherever you go, just to fit? And their train was skillfully taken away from the creative line of the Author to my narrow-gauge railway overgrown with forest. Is this the need to punch at least someone? Well, fuck it! Pound your greased wheels on my rusty rails. The thing is that they periodically break off, because I often go to telegrams, and the quiet piece of iron remains forgotten by me. Efforts - in the beep! wassat )))
                      11. +1
                        4 October 2022 13: 51
                        my wooded narrow gauge railway

                        An interesting comparison, there is a suspicion that it could not have done without Freud's grandfather. About the creative line of the author smiled. But you didn't answer my question. Did the numbness get in the way?
                      12. +3
                        4 October 2022 15: 13
                        She did not answer exactly as you did not answer mine: "Why are you doing this?" Do not force yourself to wallow in unfavorable assumptions for you.
                      13. 0
                        4 October 2022 16: 06
                        Yes, you are already mired in unfavorable assumptions for me. You started with them right away. This also characterizes in a certain way your current habitat, which you called narrow-gauge railway. I immediately thought of Nick. Perumov and his "Land without Joy".
                      14. +2
                        4 October 2022 17: 13
                        Oh, now you have moved on to characterizing my habitat...
                        And out of context? If we go back to the source of the conversation, in which my ideology is quite clear to myself: there is an Author who gave the commentator the opportunity to express himself, and thank God. And yours is such that the Author must certainly be killed, whatever he may be. But since there are still many authors, your choice fell on one that has an established team of adherents of its style. It is in such a collective of non-random people that opposition to the Author is sought and created. I guess it's just your fun. As you can see, in assessing your destructive activity, I show condescension.
                      15. -1
                        4 October 2022 18: 09
                        But since there are still many authors, your choice fell on one that has an established team of adherents of his style. It is in such a collective of non-random people that opposition to the Author is sought and created. I guess it's just your fun.

                        These are all your fantasies. Or rather, not even fantasies - a projection. Someone's cognac stinks of bedbugs, someone's bedbugs smell like cognac. You have the first. Hence all sorts of fabrications about opposition and destructive activity. Projection of the twilight state of the soul on the world around, a world without joy.
        2. +1
          3 October 2022 20: 27
          to cause a srach, for example, a stupid comparison of the current state of affairs with the affairs of past years

          Vladimir, why then study history, if not to discover the origins of the problem of the present day? They saw where it all came from, and understood how to untie the knot. Well, if not, then the story will look like fairy tales for respectable and gloomy adult men. Agree, it's funny. It's like discovering Kepler's laws anew in every generation. We already have half of the population convinced that the Sun revolves around the Earth. A comparative analysis of historical events belonging to different eras takes us out of the state of an aquarium fish that forgets an event after three seconds.
  5. +2
    3 October 2022 07: 49
    To be continued ...

    And it followed. Leftists launched a terrorist campaign. They hunted officials, the police, and the "largest beast" - the king himself. A whole chain of assassination attempts failed. And although the assassins were hanged, others took their place. And so it went, until the next assassination attempt, on March 1 (according to the old style), 1881, did not reach the goal. Ironically, on this day, the signing of the liberal Constitution developed by Loris-Melikov was scheduled. This is how Russia thanked the emperor-reformer who granted freedom to millions.
    1. -3
      3 October 2022 07: 53
      Quote: Nagan
      And at least the assassins were hanged

      Not quite so, all these bomber ladies were applauded, this is the most notorious society that craved reforms.
      They began to hang under Sovereign Emperor Alexander III
      1. +3
        3 October 2022 08: 09
        Quote: bober1982
        young ladies-bombers applauded

        This is for those who encroached on every little thing such as the chief of police. And the tsar was attacked exclusively by males, and now they were hanged strictly. And only after a successful assassination attempt on March 1, Sofya Perovskaya, among others, was hanged.
        1. 0
          3 October 2022 08: 30
          Quote: Nagan
          This is for those who encroached on every little thing like a police chief

          The police chief, it was a figure for an assassination attempt, they simply dreamed of such murders, but to shoot or throw bombs at any gentleman of a postal worker, and even sending a lot of random people along the way, it was commonplace.
  6. +2
    3 October 2022 08: 54
    The article is extremely relevant:

    did practically nothing to ensure that the peasants would also be waiting for the reform, if not as a holiday, then at least without hostility to innovation. This was not done, primarily because the authorities at that time were simply not accustomed to reckon with the opinion of the people, and precisely because the rulers simply did not have time to learn to reckon with the peasantry ...


    To reckon with the peasantry... Now it sounds like "to reckon with the shirnarmass". Learned! Manipulate them.

    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  7. +1
    3 October 2022 09: 07
    Quote: Oorfene Juice and his Wooden Soldiers
    By the way, many astrologers compare the current situation with the Crimean war

    I would have exiled all these astrologers, fortune-tellers and other soothsayers somewhere to Solovki, having first given them a shovel and a pick in their hands ...
    1. +7
      3 October 2022 09: 55
      Quote: Luminman
      I would have exiled all these astrologers, fortune-tellers and other soothsayers somewhere to Solovki, having first given them a shovel and a pick in their hands ...

      It is impossible! On the verge of a foul, but businessmen. laughing
      And generally speaking...

      Yes, and the law seems to be allowed? To believe or not to believe is a purely individual question. bully
      1. +2
        3 October 2022 15: 08
        Yes, and to exile the links of the consumer society created with such difficulty and built into the vertical is to bring down what you are sitting on. Here I am now sitting, smoking, there is a rainy hurricane outside the window, and the thought is - “Why not break the leg of the chair on which you settled down so comfortably?” Absurd, isn't it? wassat )))
        It's easier to scare everyone with "Poseidon" - strangers and, most importantly, our own. To not hesitate.
        1. +4
          3 October 2022 19: 10
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I'm sorry, but I'm talking about something else. All / almost all / of these fortune tellers, sorcerers, astrologers and other public of little respect from my point of view are framed as individual entrepreneurs. Right? From the point of view of the law, they are clean until proven otherwise. They pay taxes and They do what they do. They provide services to the public. Is there a demand for their services? Is there. There will be no demand and they will not be. Everything is simple.
          And how can you scare your own with "Poseidon? bully Does he even exist??? bully
          1. 0
            3 October 2022 19: 32
            Poseidon exists!
            In all senses. Hence - fortune-tellers and soothsayers. Were, are and will be. The main thing is to put pressure on the primitive depths of the subconscious, and it is not reformattable. And what form Poseidon takes depends on the level of technical development of society wassat )))
        2. +3
          3 October 2022 19: 34
          Quote: depressant
          , and the thought - "Why not break the leg of the chair on which you settled down so comfortably?" Absurd, isn't it? ))

          Sorry, but....
          "Spark with your finger, swallow forks. At our age, it's no longer good." (C)
          laughing laughing laughing
          1. +1
            3 October 2022 20: 35
            So I can't!
            So, do not persuade, I will not give in! wassat )))
            But if you suddenly want to break or break the unfortunate dishes, I will quietly do it and declare: "Not me!"
            This is the way it is now everywhere.
  8. +3
    3 October 2022 09: 09
    And already on February 19, ..., he signed a manifesto on the liberation of the Russian peasantry ...

    Thus, under a plausible pretext, the landlords finally resolved the issue with the land - the land no longer belonged to the peasants ... By the way. Almost simultaneously with this, the abolition of slavery began in America.
    1. +1
      4 October 2022 11: 48
      Why? The land was divided between landlords and peasant communities according to certain norms.
  9. +1
    3 October 2022 09: 28
    Quote: Nagan
    To be continued ...

    And it followed. Leftists launched a terrorist campaign. They hunted officials, the police, and the "largest beast" - the king himself. A whole chain of assassination attempts failed. . This is how Russia thanked the emperor-reformer who granted freedom to millions.

    The fact that there were many who wanted to become terrorists is also a consequence of "wise government" ..... They drove the people to madness while "they were writing a liberal constitution."... Patience was not enough. And what, from this paper, the people would be happy. Seriously?

    However, many people were killed all over the world. And Lincoln and Kennedy ..... And the English and French kings. Only the conclusions in different countries from this made different.

    In general, for the USA, your argument would be an obvious game: "Lincoln was killed while he was thinking and almost figured out how to make the people of the USA happy." But what looks like bullshit in the light of day, in conditions of pitch darkness seems to be full of deep meaning .... Wow, bastards, they didn’t let the Sovereign bring the reform to mind!

    Eh, Mr. "Nagan", you yourself do not notice your feudal worldview. For you "terrorists and leftists" there is a certain mass that must be hanged and hanged. The bigger, the better. But the Sovereign - the Anointed of God .... oh, oh, how they didn’t save ... Great woe to the people!
  10. +3
    3 October 2022 10: 38
    and it was he who warned Nicholas II about the conspiracy of the Decembrists
    He himself was in the know, the teachers told him. Fix if possible.
  11. 0
    3 October 2022 10: 47
    Quote: ivan2022
    For you "terrorists and leftists" there is a certain mass that must be hung and hung

    In any state, terrorists and leftists are a threat to the existence of the state itself. Furuncle on the body, which must be removed ...
    1. +3
      3 October 2022 15: 18
      Didn't you, dear sir, mix minced meat with flies? Hang the terrorists - I agree. But why not listen to the leftists and enter into a discussion with them? Greatness did not allow?
      This is our age-old problem - the greatness of power as a look over the heads of the masses swarming somewhere below.
      1. -1
        3 October 2022 15: 38
        But why not listen to the leftists ..?

        What do you want to hear from them? Curious... wink
        1. +2
          3 October 2022 16: 07
          Anything, let them talk. And they say. It's all in the piggy bank.
          Here is an interesting opinion:

          Chadaev: The main mistake of all actors is to treat the so-called. "authority" as an acting subject. She is not a subject. She is the landscape. Which can be deadly dangerous, like any complex landscape, but which does not and never had any will of its own - there is only the resulting vector of the multitude of wills of those who have at least some of their own left.

          Note.
          Aleksey Viktorovich Chadaev is a Russian journalist, writer, and editor. Political scientist, candidate of sciences. Public figure, politician. Author of 4 books, three of which are dedicated to Vladimir Putin. Aleksey Chadayev has been working in journalism since 1993, he was the executive secretary, editor-in-chief of the Slavia magazine. In the autumn of 1993, as an assistant to deputy V.V. Aksyuchits, he participated in the defense of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation.
          1. +2
            3 October 2022 16: 44
            Do you consider him a leftist? Perhaps he is an unsuccessful philosopher ...

            The only thing I liked about power is:

            She is the landscape
            1. +2
              3 October 2022 16: 50
              Well yes wassat )))
              The tree can fall and crush. There are all sorts of pits, swamps. Hence the rule - against the backdrop of power, one must live as if it were a hostile landscape that is always full of surprises.
              1. +1
                3 October 2022 17: 01
                Quote: depressant
                like she's a hostile landscape

                By the "landscape" of power, I mean a kind of environment, a kind of background, which, on the contrary, does not interfere, but helps. Anyway, it doesn't hurt...

                However, the landscape can be hostile. It depends on which state ... wink
                1. +3
                  3 October 2022 18: 12
                  Aha! Definitely not ours! wassat )))
                  I wanted to limit myself to irony, but the site decided that it was not enough, and I don’t know what to add, the nerve of the conversation is gone)))
  12. +6
    3 October 2022 10: 53
    the government is sufficiently concerned to observe the interests of the landlords, primarily in preparing them for the reform morally

    It seems to me that it was this work that was the main one, and it was precisely this work that failed in terms of the moral preparation of the landlords, as a result of which the land reform itself "did not pass", that is, it did not change anything fundamentally. What is a peasant without land?
    It was necessary to "work" with the nobles and the clergy. Some colleagues, perhaps, get the impression that both the nobles and the priests were all well-educated, "read Byron in English and knew algebra", had excellent manners, etc. Among the aristocracy, perhaps this was the case, but among the ordinary nobility and clergy, representatives of these estates did not go far from their peasants - they were just as illiterate, gray and stupid, stagnant in their ignorance. "Letter to a learned neighbor" was written for a reason.
    And they were the ones who owned the land. It was they who were the protagonists of this reform, and not the peasants at all. It was their peace and contentment that Alexander was afraid to touch, but it was this frozen cloaca that had to be stirred up and made to move. And it was necessary to start with the clergy, as it seems to me.
    And the peasants are a passive, inert, but obedient mass. They will go where they are led. Even hundreds of years is not enough to change their consciousness.
    1. -1
      3 October 2022 11: 26
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      And it was necessary to start with the clergy, as it seems to me.

      The Romanovs had a cool attitude towards Orthodoxy and they should not have started such reforms.
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      representatives of these estates did not go far from their peasants - they were just as illiterate, gray and stupid, stagnant in their ignorance.

      One can agree on something, St. Ignatius Bryanchaninov said a lot about this, not about stupid peasants, of course, but about the fact that everything is not at all the way it should be, of course I say it in a simplified way.
      He, the saint, was fiercely hated by the liberals of those years, and the current ones also hate him.
    2. +6
      3 October 2022 13: 36
      Even hundreds of years is not enough to change their consciousness.


      Namely, "you can't wash a black dog to white." laughing What did Professor Preobrazhensky say about this ...



      Hi Michael! drinks
      1. +5
        3 October 2022 14: 20
        Hello, Uncle Kostya. smile
        To drive a herd of sheep in the right direction, you do not need to try to negotiate with the sheep themselves and convince them of the need for such a movement. You have to negotiate with the shepherd. It will not be possible to agree with the shepherd - to give him a blow on the head and lead the flock himself.
        The peasantry in the Russian Empire, for the most part, in terms of understanding the course of any social processes, did not differ much from sheep, it was useless to explain something to the peasants themselves, they had to be taken by the scruff of the neck and dragged where necessary by force. And certainly not with their release to begin.
        The support of the ruling system was the nobility and the clergy - it was necessary to "work" with them, to "reformat" their consciousness.
        1. +8
          3 October 2022 14: 27
          To drive a herd of sheep in the right direction, you do not need to try to negotiate with the sheep themselves and convince them of the need for such a movement.

          For this, there are special "guides" of the herd.

          1. +1
            3 October 2022 16: 40
            For this, there are special "guides" of the herd.

            Hi Kostya!
            Well, sheep mass - it is sheep mass everywhere, the main thing is whether there are wolves.
            "She will even bleat, for the time being she will bleat a little more furiously, saying:" When the wolf comes, then I, hoof, I will trample it with my hooves "(c)
            And when the wolf comes, the sheep will turn its tail. And do not be deceived by violent demonstrations abroad - this is an initially created political mechanism that solves someone's behind-the-scenes tasks.
            1. +3
              3 October 2022 17: 33
              Good afternoon, Luda! love

              Given all of the above, how not to remember what was said a long time ago:

              "If the Lord did not want them to be sheared, he would not have created them as sheep."


              For the first time I heard this statement from this nice person. laughing

              1. +1
                3 October 2022 18: 09
                Considering all of the above

                We, the undersigned... wassat )))
                Hi Kostya! )))
                She did not recognize the man in the sombrero as an acquaintance.
                1. +4
                  3 October 2022 18: 43
                  The Magnificent Seven movie from 1960.

                  Wonderful actor Eli Volakh in the role of Ataman Culvera, a bandit, of course, but with a sense of humor. smile



                  By the way, two Russian actors starred in the film - Brynner and Sokolov.

                  I didn’t watch the remake, it’s just sick of a black man in the role of a cowboy.
                  1. +5
                    3 October 2022 19: 14
                    "I knew you were a racist!" (FROM)
                    )))
                    1. +4
                      3 October 2022 19: 23
                      "I knew you were a racist!" (FROM)
                      )))




                      Good evening Nephew! wink
                      1. +3
                        3 October 2022 19: 28
                        "Dead nigger, too, can play basketball" (C)
                        Hi uncle!
                      2. +3
                        3 October 2022 19: 43
                        "If you suddenly saw three blacks raping a white woman, don't get into a fight, just throw them a basketball." (c)

                      3. +4
                        3 October 2022 19: 49
                        And God forbid a white woman, in a fit of passion, strangle a black man!
                      4. +3
                        3 October 2022 20: 00
                        So far, everything is exactly the opposite. laughing

                      5. +2
                        3 October 2022 20: 06
                        And who told you that Othello is a Negro? Shakespeare?
                      6. +1
                        3 October 2022 20: 14
                        But what the hell is the difference - a Negro, a Moor, an Arab or something else - everything is alien, or "alien".

                      7. +2
                        3 October 2022 20: 51
                        Uncle, do not confuse your personal demons (wool(s)) and public ones.
                      8. +2
                        3 October 2022 21: 40
                        Still not enough - public. laughing I care about this society ... well, with rare exceptions.
                  2. +1
                    3 October 2022 19: 41
                    Brynner and Sokolov.

                    Yula Brynner is always able to recognize. As for nausea, it's the same. Callable by the same component. Eh! ... I didn’t bother to watch the Seven. Such is the current education of many. It is enough just to hear about something, and you are, as it were, in the subject. For example, I am so "educated" that I know about "Seven" - a remake of the Japanese "Seven Samurai", also not watched by me)))
                    1. +3
                      3 October 2022 19: 48
                      And look at the old "Seven", it is on the net, and with our dubbing (!), Which gives a hundred points ahead of the American voice acting.
                      I saw the "Samurai", after the "Seven" - it didn’t work, Anton will probably say that due to the lack of a firearm, he will be almost right. smile
                      1. +4
                        3 October 2022 20: 32
                        Anton will probably say that due to the lack of a firearm, he will be almost right.
                        Anton will say that Kurosawa is a brilliant director who managed to show the spirit of the nation in a defeated country! And The Magnificent Seven is simply a successful commercial project.
                      2. +1
                        3 October 2022 20: 41
                        a brilliant director who managed to show the spirit of the nation in a defeated country

                        Excuse me, but what do I care? How this samurai spirit is embodied, I am a little aware of the matter and it does not cause enthusiasm.
                        And I'm closer to the American "commercial project", as you say, than a hymn to the samurai spirit of Kurosawa. And the Tokyo Tribunal, at one time, drew a line under this spirit.
                      3. +3
                        3 October 2022 20: 58
                        and what do I care about that?
                        Yes, actually, none. You haven't watched another movie...
                      4. +2
                        3 October 2022 21: 38
                        But this is not given to you to know, what I have seen and what I have seen enough.
                  3. +4
                    3 October 2022 19: 56
                    Yul Brynner is as Russian as Spielberg is a Polish Jew.
                    1. +2
                      3 October 2022 20: 02
                      Come on, the Germans inherited there, but there is no Jewish blood, although it doesn’t matter to me.
                      1. 0
                        3 October 2022 20: 40
                        And "Russian" is not a nationality, it is a state of mind.
                      2. +1
                        3 October 2022 20: 43
                        But I don’t know him and I don’t know how he is doing with the “Russian spirit”. request laughing
    3. +4
      3 October 2022 14: 41
      All the good days! hi
      I agree with Mikhail, the main thing is to break the system of land users.
      A peasant, he quickly adapts to any system.
      Interestingly, did Nicholas I know that he was engaged in reformatting consciousness?
      Or did he simply prepare and carry out reforms so that Russia would quickly get on the rails of capitalism? drinks
      1. +1
        3 October 2022 16: 24
        Rather, the last ... But!
        The change of consciousness, the reformatting of consciousness has now been replaced by the fashionable word "mobilization of consciousness", which is relevant not only now, but also in the times about which the article is about.

        Here is the opinion of Sergey Kurginyan:
        "In those layers [in the ruling class, in the educated class and in the economy] it does not exist, because these layers, in principle, have anti-mobilization thinking. They are not focused on mobilization. It is alien to them."

        Here's a brake. It applies to any segment of our history.
        1. +5
          3 October 2022 16: 38
          It would be better if the author --> author --> the author called his cycle "consciousness mobilization", and the phrase "consciousness reformatting" does not climb into any gate!
          What did Nicholas I reformat? Absolutely nothing. Changed, yes, but not consciousness.
          Aftor is probably hard to understand.
          Before the global media, it was difficult to reformat the consciousness, but it is possible, for example - the baptism of Russia was a real reformatting of the consciousness of society.
          But as we know, this was achieved not by decrees, but by fire and sword!
          1. +2
            3 October 2022 18: 18
            Strictly speaking, nothing has changed for a long time. Take at least the current mobilization of consciousness. With the proviso that the current one is a kind of sieve of Eratosthenes. The grains are separate, the tares are separate. And the fire and the sword are quite present.
            1. +3
              3 October 2022 18: 29
              Today's reformatting of consciousness is quite manageable without fire and sword.
              The methods have changed, but the goals remain. And goals are achieved much faster than by force. And most importantly, reformatting occurs in all age groups.
              1. +1
                3 October 2022 20: 04
                Well, how, sir, how, sir, without fire and explosions? It is enough to find out that somewhere is blazing, how you rush to check the comfort at home, and this experience is strong and universal)))
                Especially when the neighbor's hut is on fire...
                But I understand you. You mean the unprecedented flourishing of mind manipulation techniques, don't you? And, you know, even flattering. Well, judge for yourself, would it really have occurred to the Sovereign to manipulate the consciousness of the peasants before the abolition of serfdom? In the 20th century - manipulation, albeit a faceless mass. The 21st century is the perfection of manipulation technologies. And following the trend, the hope is born that in the 22nd century, sovereigns will learn to distinguish little people.
  13. 0
    3 October 2022 11: 18
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    it failed in terms of the moral preparation of the landlords, as a result of which the land reform itself "did not pass"

    There is absolutely no need for any moral preparation of the landowners. There was a very good example of England before my eyes, where all the landless peasants moved to America and found land there. There was no need to redeem this land from the landlords, as well as take it away - just relocate it to another place.

    This is exactly what P. Stolypin did in his time. True, a few decades later. And the landowners are happy and the peasants with the land! Yes, and with large allotments, which they could not even dream of in the European part of Russia ..
    1. +4
      3 October 2022 11: 33
      In England, serfdom, if I remember correctly, was abolished at the end of the XNUMXth century. There were completely different conditions, so England is not an example for us.
      Stolypin's reforms, in my opinion, could save the Russian Empire, but alas, they were not carried out in full, as intended.
      And here the question arises - why? What got in the way? Or who?
      1. +1
        3 October 2022 14: 19
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        In England, serfdom, if I remember correctly, was abolished at the end of the XNUMXth century. There were completely different conditions, so England is not an example for us

        It is not a matter of serfdom at all. It is about how to give the land to the one who cultivates it. Take away? This will quarrel the king with the landowners. Put up for sale? Potential buyers don't have money.

        But to allocate land far beyond the ocean, and even get rid of the beggars, who are ready to start a riot at any moment, is the wisest decision. So England is just a good example ... Approximately the same was done in Germany, resettling peasants in South-West Africa, which they recently acquired
        1. +2
          3 October 2022 14: 54
          And in serfdom too. The British in the XVII - XVIII centuries. just drop the cry - get together and go - for two centuries they could already move anywhere. And the Russian peasant of the middle of the XNUMXth century, who for the same two centuries did not even have the right to twitch anywhere, to leave his native community from the world - you can’t imagine a worse punishment.
          There was more than enough land, you know, but the peasants didn’t need such freedom, for which they had to go somewhere, break away from the world. Stolypin just tried to destroy this dependence of the peasant on the community. Did not work out. "Separate land" is not enough. We must first prepare personnel who will agree to develop this land thousands of kilometers from their home. There were no such personnel in Russia.
          I don’t know, from the height of today’s bell tower, it seems to me that the way out was in the gradual secularization and nationalization of the land, with the gradual emancipation of the peasants who could be planted on this land. Some nobles, I remember, freed the peasants themselves even before the reform - it was worth relying on them, pulling the hesitant to them, somehow motivating them to similar actions and like this - gradually, step by step. In each province, create and constantly expand such "zones of free peasant labor", primarily at the expense of the personal possessions of the august family and church lands.
          Something like that.
          1. 0
            3 October 2022 15: 02
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            "Select the land" - not enough

            I don’t know, of course, what was in the mind of the then peasants, but my great-great-grandparents came to Siberia precisely for the land. Some are from the Voronezh province, others are from Belarus. There must have been some kind of incentive. And their descendants still live there...
            1. +2
              3 October 2022 15: 46
              There were few of them, which is why the Stolypin reform stalled.
      2. 0
        4 October 2022 16: 41
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        In England, serfdom, if I remember correctly, was abolished at the end of the XNUMXth century.

        Here, the truth must be understood that the reason here is not in some kind of "special love of freedom", but in the fact that England is an island state. The peasants in the bulk had ... simply nowhere to run away from the unjust landowner.
        Hence, by the way, the social catastrophe during the so-called. "fencing", which massively turned the English peasants into people in a state of extreme poverty.
    2. +3
      3 October 2022 13: 50
      Quote: Luminman
      There was a very good example of England before my eyes, where all the landless peasants moved to America and found land there. There was no need to redeem this land from the landlords, as well as take it away - just relocate it to another place.

      True, there was a small nuance ... our "landlords" were categorically opposed to the peasants moving anywhere.
      1. 0
        3 October 2022 14: 21
        our "landlords" were categorically opposed to the peasants moving anywhere

        Serfdom was abolished. How could they object?
        1. +2
          3 October 2022 14: 59
          Quote: Luminman
          Serfdom was abolished.

          The whole question is how.
          Quote: Luminman
          How could they object?

          Yes Easy.
          Ask, in what year did Russian peasants get the opportunity to choose their own place of residence?
          Sobsno Stolypin's reforms began with this.
          In general, there was no such thing as "freedom of movement" in the Republic of Ingushetia. And especially for the peasants. Despite the "liberation" they were attached to their communities. And this situation was beneficial for the landowners and officials, since it made labor cheaper.
    3. +2
      3 October 2022 23: 00
      Yes, and with large allotments, which they could not even dream of in the European part of Russia ..
      And why then returned, and even angry? For this, grandfather Lenin even said that Stolypin brought the revolution closer than anyone else. Worked for the benefit of the RSDLP.
    4. 0
      5 October 2022 06: 00
      Most of the lands are not suitable for agriculture. This was repeated when the current government tried to allocate allotments in the Far East. History is cyclical and our government has not changed much over all this time.
  14. -1
    3 October 2022 11: 32
    Quote: Luminman
    Quote: ivan2022
    For you "terrorists and leftists" there is a certain mass that must be hung and hung

    In any state, terrorists and leftists are a threat to the existence of the state itself. Furuncle on the body, which must be removed ...

    Leftists Bolsheviks created the USSR. In fact, the only state in the history of the Empire that was politically independent of the West and opposed to the West.

    And if we live in a democratic state today, then this is simply a fact. And the monarchists are a threat to the existence of our state. Or are you an opponent of the constitutional order of the Russian Federation? Then you also need ... that ... like an abscess.
  15. -1
    3 October 2022 12: 01
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    In England, serfdom, if I remember correctly, was abolished at the end of the XNUMXth century. There were completely different conditions, so England is not an example for us.
    Stolypin's reforms, in my opinion, could save the Russian...
    And here the question arises - why? What got in the way? Or who?

    Thank the Lord that you are not a person equal to Churchill. Otherwise, they would have screwed up .... Stolypin's reforms deliberately destroyed the Russian peasant community. His policy is a typical example of the idiocy of blind imitators of the West. If you've read anything on the subject at all.

    Under the conditions of Russia, they would lead to the most severe process of creating large farms with the spontaneous enslavement of the bulk of the peasantry.

    The essentially Russian-Soviet imperial bureaucracy took over the collective farm and managed to create large mechanized farms in 10 years. With a grain yield of 100 million tons. What would Stolypin do here? God did not let us see this horror.
    1. +5
      3 October 2022 12: 16
      Quote: ivan2022
      Stolypin's reforms deliberately destroyed the Russian peasant community.

      Which was a phenomenon of the feudal order and, of course, could not exist in the conditions of the market.
    2. +1
      3 October 2022 14: 04
      Quote: ivan2022
      Stolypin's reforms...
      His policy is a typical example of the idiocy of blind imitators of the West

      The distribution of land in Siberia, and even its huge allotments, and even free moving, and even loans... Where have you seen this in the West? Where is the imitation?

      In the conditions of Russia, they would lead to the most severe process of creating large farms with the spontaneous enslavement of the bulk of the peasantry.

      What's wrong with large farms? They will feed both the producer and many more people. By the way, only after the Second World War large peasant farms began to be created in Europe. I don’t know whether they took Stolypin’s ideas as a basis or not, but his spirit hovers here ...

      I'll quote you:

      If you've read anything on the subject at all
    3. +1
      4 October 2022 16: 44
      Stolypin's reforms deliberately destroyed the Russian peasant community

      Exactly. Simply because at that time the peasant community in its traditional form turned into a brake on the development of the economy.
  16. +4
    3 October 2022 13: 55
    "Great reforms" are ... I don't even know how to formulate ... A radical demolition, a change in the consciousness of an entire people ...
    To some extent, even more radical than the reforms of Peter the Great, with the only difference that Peter's were more successful.
  17. +2
    3 October 2022 14: 31
    Quote: kalibr
    Which was a phenomenon of the feudal order and, of course, could not exist in the conditions of the market.

    Of course, the community and the market do not contradict each other. A joint-stock company or a cooperative is a product of the market.
    1. 0
      3 October 2022 18: 08
      Quote: ort
      A joint-stock company or a cooperative is a product of the market.

      This is not a community. Cooperators together do not build a hut for the needy. Especially shareholders. Community is a collective consciousness of a certain attitude to be like everyone else.
  18. +1
    3 October 2022 14: 38
    Quote: Luminman

    The distribution of land in Siberia, and even its huge allotments, and even free moving, and even loans... Where have you seen this in the West? Where is the imitation?


    What's wrong with large farms? They will feed both the producer and many more people. By the way, only ]


    Do not lie!
    As soon as we are talking about kulak farms, you are immediately in favor of enlargement. As soon as about collective farms, so immediately against?

    And do not get personal, ... And the distribution and huge allotments are in the USA. Who will handle the allotments? Blacks in the USA, laborers in Russia. The stratification of the peasants is an inevitable and cruel process. No need to grimace and do not portray a jerk. You all perfectly understood.

    State support for farmers and loans - a typical phenomenon under capitalism in the West. But really, not in Russia, where there are a lot of promises, and help - shish.

    Here collective farms had real support. Machine and tractor stations, which were funded by the state and were state property
    In any case, the consolidation of farms with the participation of the state is better than a spontaneous process.
    1. +4
      3 October 2022 15: 05
      Quote: ivan2022
      Blacks in the USA

      Uh-huh, make them work after the abolition of slavery...
      In fact, in the USA it was about the same as under the Stolypin reform, but earlier. The so-called "Homestead Act", when free land was transferred to those who wished to cultivate it for a nominal fee or under certain conditions.
    2. -4
      3 October 2022 15: 20
      Quote: ivan2022
      .And distribution and huge allotments are in the USA. Who will handle the allotments? Blacks in the US...

      In the US, blacks were used only in low-skill jobs, usually in cotton.

      Quote: ivan2022
      Here collective farms had real support. Machine and tractor stations, which were funded by the state and were state property

      The large farms created by Stolypin had their own steam engines, something like the collective farm MTS. The same machine parks, like MTS, are also available in today's USA ... I will quote you again:

      If you've read anything on the subject at all


      Quote: ivan2022
      In any case, the consolidation of farms with the participation of the state is better than a spontaneous process

      This is what Stolypin tried to put into practice...

      And finally, your own quote:

      Do not lie!
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        3 October 2022 18: 47
        They were used on cotton, but on wheat, religion did not allow .... well .. well .. Let's move on ... There is no need to lie about Stolypin's steam engines. Thousands were ordered straight from Germany .... There were no tractors. In Russia, until 1916, they did not know how to make their own bearings ... 85% of the population lived in the countryside, and he is talking about "steam engines" ....

        Horse and plow! There were no plows.

        Eccentrics here, I look, it’s not measured. Only a huge state program can raise such a case. Moreover, the argo-industrial program. And Stolypin. yours is just one person. And wild dances dance around him in a hundred years ..
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          3 October 2022 19: 18
          In Russia, until 1916, they did not know how to make their own bearings ...
          And even now, they don't know how.
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          4 October 2022 16: 51
          but on wheat, religion did not allow .... well .. well .. Come on ...

          In the northern states, slavery did not exist as a social institution. Generally.
          In any case, the consolidation of farms with the participation of the state is better than a spontaneous process.

          Better for whom?
          By the way, here's the question. Maybe I'm wrong, if so, correct me. But for some reason, history does not know that even under serfdom, peasants would massively hide bread from the landowner (or from the tsarist official who collected taxes).
  19. +1
    3 October 2022 19: 39
    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Suddenly it became interesting, where do you draw inspiration from for this cycle? I got the impression that these are creative revised abstracts of your students on the topic "social psychology". Do not take it for arrogance and rudeness.
    Thank you!
    1. +1
      3 October 2022 20: 18
      Do not take it for arrogance and rudeness.

      Negative information that appeals to conscience and allows you to correct or change is not rudeness, it is the harsh truth. It is often the voice of one crying in the wilderness.
      1. +1
        3 October 2022 21: 12
        In order for a person to change life imperatives, sometimes a click on "ksenia" is enough.
        1. +1
          3 October 2022 21: 21
          But will such a change be sincere and permanent? As experience shows, uncontrolled relaxation of the sphincter is a rather shaky foundation for the sustainable formation of life imperatives.
          1. +1
            3 October 2022 21: 33
            But will such a change be sincere and permanent?
            My generation has lived like this.
            1. +1
              3 October 2022 21: 42
              Gaúdia príncipiúm nostrí sunt saépe doloris.
  20. -3
    3 October 2022 19: 46
    Quote: ivan2022
    well .. Let's go on ... There is no need to lie about Stolypin's steam engines

    If it's hard for you to master a lot of letters, you can look at the pictures. There are enough of them on the Internet. Just for people like you...
  21. 0
    4 October 2022 01: 44
    Why is it now? So that we once again understand that there is no other way than the tsar-boyars - the people -?
    What kind of "liberator" is he? - a morally decomposed representative of the dynasty of "Vlasovites of the period of unrest" "Romanovs" - Holstein-Gottorpov, during the 300-year-old Polish-Ukrainian-German colonization ...

    It is funny and sad that after his coronation, Nicholas II, who was considered the favorite grandson of Emperor Alexander, who in moments of special tenderness called "Niki" - "a ray of sunshine", ordered to make about 4 thousand busts of his grandfather, and install them in cities and towns empire. But the first experiment to plant a “cult of personality” in Russia was not very successful: after some time, busts of Marx and sculptures of Lenin were erected on the pedestals intended for the emperor, which still, symbolizing the unity and interconnectedness of Russian history, stand in many county towns, settlements and completely forgotten by God settlements of our Federation ...

    Why do you, comrade-writer, glorify the thoroughly rotten regime that has gone down in history with shame, tell us better in the difficult hour of our Fatherland about how we dispersed the interventionists, by 1926 we created 400 research institutes, how we carried out the cultural revolution, industrialization, collectivization ... Something truly optimistic and life-affirming.

    And with guys like the hero of your story, you can neither carry out reforms, nor win a war, and you don’t even want to live ...
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    4 October 2022 11: 57
    It should be noted that under the "martinet" Nicholas the First, the percentage of serfs in the population of Russia dropped sharply. And it was forbidden to sell them without land, and also to send them to hard labor at the behest of the landowner.
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      11 October 2022 09: 38
      these are minor details. the key characteristic of this king, in the literary version, of course, is "left-handed"
  23. 0
    11 October 2022 09: 36
    very useful material if you have the desire and patience on this topic. The primitive presentation of "liberation" in Soviet schools and universities, not to mention "modern" ones, reduced knowledge to the concept of a "breaker". Decided to turn it on.

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