“We won’t let the enemy into the city”: a summary of the course of the special operation of the RF Armed Forces in Krasny Liman and on other fronts

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“We won’t let the enemy into the city”: a summary of the course of the special operation of the RF Armed Forces in Krasny Liman and on other fronts

The enemy continues to put pressure on the northern flank of the Oskol Front. The enemy announces the capture of the village of Kupyansk-Uzlovoi. This means that the enemy forces crossed the river and created a bridgehead south of Kupyansk, which plays a role in the northern sector of the front similar to Krasny Liman in the south.

The enemy, unsuccessfully trying to take Krasny Liman from the south and west, is trying to implement a wide flank bypass. Ukrainian militants posted footage of them driving past Redkodub and Korovy Yar. These settlements are located behind the Oskol reservoir to the north of Kr. Liman, one of the supply routes passes behind them, however, the main supplies are carried out along another road coming from the LPR from the east. However, the fighting to the north of Kr. Lyman continues.



Despite constant attacks and artillery shelling, Kr. Liman is held by Russian troops. The city is covered by camouflaged positions, located on which the fighters do not allow the enemy to enter the settlement. Reconnaissance and individual detachments of the enemy, moving through the forest, are trying to find weaknesses in the defense, however, the fighters who have settled in ambushes and shelters adequately meet enemy forces.

We will not let the enemy into the city

- say the Russian fighters.

On the Andreevsky sector of the Kherson direction, significant enemy forces, having lost their offensive impulse, held positions in the “triangle” Kostromka - Seydeminukha - Belogorka, which wedged into the Russian right-bank front. At night, bombers of the Russian Aerospace Forces carried out a massive air raid, the enemy suffered heavy losses (military correspondents report over 500 killed and wounded), and the remaining forces left the "triangle".

In the southern part of the Donbass, the enemy continues to try to break through the defenses of the Russian troops in some areas, but after suffering losses, he is forced to return to his original positions. So, in the area of ​​​​the village of Nesteryanka, one of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was defeated, the enemy left behind "two hundred" and Dutch armored vehicles, Russian soldiers took prisoners.



The RF Armed Forces continue to inflict effective strikes on the rear of the enemy, including using drones-kamikaze "Geranium-2". So, Drones attacked an artillery unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Ochakovo, destroying Giacint-B, D-20 howitzers and Italian FH70 guns of the same type, along with ammunition stocks.

Partial mobilization is almost completed, the fighters who have replenished the Russian army are arriving at the units, many have already begun practical exercises at the training grounds, improving their skills weapons and equipment in accordance with the military specialty. The military department allowed to take their own drones with them, but they can only be used at the direction of the commander.

Some fighters possess the necessary skills to a sufficient extent and believe that they do not need long-term retraining (for example, those who have recently retired or returned from the NVO zone where they fought as volunteers). After confirming their qualifications, they may soon leave for the front.

The referendum in the territory of Donbass and in the liberated territories has been completed. According to preliminary results, supporters of reunification with Russia scored at least 96% in each region. Such a high figure is due to two reasons - the prevalence of pro-Russian sentiments and the repressive policy of the Kyiv regime: as the independent authorities previously stated, participation in a referendum is tantamount to treason, so pro-Ukrainian residents practically ignored the plebiscite.
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  1. +23
    27 September 2022 21: 32
    Everything under Liman is gloomy, if you do not pull up reserves, it can be very bad. Although the situation there is changing rapidly, now in one direction, then in the other.
    1. +32
      27 September 2022 21: 36
      So disturbing to read! Hold on guys, I really hope that soon replenishment will turn the tide!!! And now it’s just like in the book “We would have to stand the day and hold out the night”!
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        1. -2
          28 September 2022 07: 39
          In the cell they will tell and show you how much, where and how much...
      2. 0
        28 September 2022 10: 17
        I feel that the situation under Krasny Liman will not be resolved "in a draw".
        There are too many forces on both sides.
        I hope our military leadership is in full control of the situation and has several plans for a counteroffensive and the destruction of the enemy that has penetrated our territory.
        Krasny Liman can become Donetsk Stalingrad, which turned the tide of the war in Ukraine!
        1. -1
          28 September 2022 17: 51
          There is no Stalingrad and never was, for the reason that there is no and never was Stalin. There is no Mausoleum on the day of the victory of Marshal Zhukov. This is all he did. There are streets and squares of Stalin behind the hillock, but apparently they mean someone else who was not and did not live in the USSR. The “man” who brought everything before the war was made, that is, they built a museum, of some kind of personality.
          1. -1
            28 September 2022 18: 35
            A set of words.
            "There is no Mausoleum on the day of Marshal Zhukov's victory..."
            Russian is not native to you?
            Write in your own, and I will use an auto-translator.
            Some kind of graphomania... wink
    2. +8
      27 September 2022 21: 49
      Absolutely right! Everything is changing, and everything will change in our favor! Our guys are great! We believe in them!✊
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 22: 02
        Quote: 1977
        Absolutely right! Everything is changing, and everything will change in our favor! Our guys are great! We believe in them!✊

        It is true, but the question is: why are the battles only of a defensive nature?
        1. +6
          28 September 2022 01: 01
          It is true, but the question is: why are the battles only of a defensive nature?
          The enemy has too much numerical superiority. Mobilization is very late.
      2. +9
        27 September 2022 22: 30
        Yes, there are no questions for the guys - heroes !!!
        But to those because of whom they show this mass heroism ....
      3. +3
        27 September 2022 22: 47
        1977 (Vyacheslav)
        Absolutely right! Everything is changing, and everything will change in our favor! Our guys are great! We believe in them!✊
        Everything will change no doubt. I remember well what was going on with us when our fathers and older brothers were mobilized to Karabakh in the 90s. There were mass pogroms throughout the city in all markets. The outrage was massive. But when our "partisans" were brought to Karabakh, everything quickly went into decline there. Because our men, who recently went through Afghanistan, angry that they were torn away from work (which, by the way, did not exist), from their families, were very angry and they did not care who was right and who was not. Therefore, they gave lyuli to everyone who tried to buzz, and luley was not frail, as a result, Karabakh quickly calmed down and for quite a long time. And in our city there were no faces similar to Caucasians. By the way, I have nothing against Caucasians, especially in the light of recent events in Ukraine, respect to the Chechen guys and Ramzan Akhmatovich personally, but frankly, some of their representatives didn’t know how to behave normally, BUT I don’t observe this at all lately! Miracles!
        1. -1
          29 September 2022 13: 08
          Aleksey, I'm sorry, you don't know shit about Artsakh and haven't seen it, leave him alone, why bother with the old.
    3. GMV
      +4
      27 September 2022 21: 50
      That's right, reserves. But I will not help from the south. I think the Armed Forces of Ukraine are just waiting for the start of the transfer of forces to Liman. And themselves according to the previous scheme - for a breakthrough in the bare area
    4. -6
      27 September 2022 22: 10
      What has been missing for a long time:

      PS Blocking posts due to "low information content" infuriates! am
      1. +16
        27 September 2022 22: 32
        Well what are you talking about?? More precisely, Podlyak - the headquarters in Odessa was destroyed, the front collapsed - well, how are we in Odessa already?
        Geranium -2 destroyed half of the staff of the headquarters .... well, at least open the performance characteristics, look at the mass of explosives .... he almost completely destroyed the headquarters ...
        Why such loud statements? Well, a day will pass, two, and the "collapsed" front turns out to be in place, who then will believe this will happen?
        It is clear that propaganda is needed, but not the same - "the front collapsed" ... there are hundreds of examples of real heroism, real self-sacrifice - well, why hang this on your ears !!!?
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 01: 12
          It is clear that propaganda is needed, but not the same
          And what? I watch a lot of people who cover events at the fronts, none of these people correspond to my ideas about objectivity. The only way to collect information from different sources and analyze it yourself, drawing your own conclusions. But many people cannot do this, they need a positive person from the front, so they live calmer and sleep better. It is for such people, of whom the majority is targeted by propaganda. If there had been solid successes at the front, then objective coverage would have come up. In general, we are still lucky that our propagandists have not yet sunk to the level of Ukrainian ones, where propaganda is much more wonderful and spread out.
        2. -1
          28 September 2022 05: 06
          If I had my own blog, it would not be much different from it. During the war in Karabakh, when Murakhovsky and other military experts trumpeted about the Armenian Maginot Line, which I never saw, Podolyaka said that the Armenians would lose and explained why. And so it happened. He also has an excellent analysis of the war with Georgia.
    5. +5
      27 September 2022 23: 01
      Quote: Chronos
      Everything under Liman is gloomy, if you do not pull up reserves, it can be very bad.

      Yes. now to hit the gut and all the slaves trained on the western plantations will be our slaves. At least I am satisfied with the photos of the restoration of Mariupol
    6. +7
      27 September 2022 23: 39
      Against this background, we continue to wage a strange war without touching the infrastructure. This is no longer clear to anyone. It is incomprehensible to people here, people in new territories, fighters and commanders on the line. The cunning plan is known only to the authorities, despite the fact that not a single cunning plan has worked in Ukraine.
  2. +4
    27 September 2022 21: 42
    APU does not need to take Krasny Lyman. It is enough for them to cut off the road of the Svatovo-Krasny Liman in some place and that's it. Environment. The situation is very similar to Lisichansk, when the city did not have to be stormed, they simply created a threat of encirclement and the Ukrainians themselves left.
    1. +6
      27 September 2022 21: 55
      Quote from Heaven
      APU does not need to take Krasny Lyman. It is enough for them to cut off the road of the Svatovo-Krasny Liman in some place and that's it. Environment. The situation is very similar to Lisichansk, when the city did not have to be stormed, they simply created a threat of encirclement and the Ukrainians themselves left.

      They are simultaneously hammering in the forehead, apparently so that the troops would not be withdrawn. They want to surround and destroy the Liman garrison, preventing it from retreating. And then to advance on Svatovo and to the south up to Lugansk.
      1. -10
        27 September 2022 23: 06
        Actually a very stupid idea. As a result, they got stuck in position, incurring losses. In the event of a counterattack, fresh forces can roll far. I don’t understand why they need Lyman. It is much more profitable to attack unprotected areas of the Kursk and Voronezh regions, as well as Minsk.
        1. -3
          28 September 2022 04: 42
          Think right!
          An offensive through our territory using a human shield is an extremely sharp attack. I wrote about this danger before the New Year.
          And there is nothing to say about Belarus. With an offensive in converging directions from the Baltic states, Poland and Ukraine to Minsk, the complete defeat of the Belarusian army is ensured. Let's not discount the possibility of betrayal.
          However, all this will work only with the massive use of NATO air forces on the theater of operations and the seizure of air supremacy.
        2. +1
          28 September 2022 05: 08
          Minsk? And incur the wrath of Belarusians? You must have been joking badly.
          1. -2
            28 September 2022 05: 49
            The anger of Belarusians is a noble impulse. But if it is not supported by the appropriate military-technical support, then again we will count how many Belarusians died every fourth or every third.
            Do not forget about the latent opposition: all these zmagars and cards of the Poles. I know Belarusians well (I myself am half Belarusian). Many (yes, a minority, but even 10% is a lot) dream of becoming "Europeans", thinking that they will be able to preserve their national identity and level of prosperity and, the funny thing, good relations with Russia.
            The patriotic part of society (and this is the majority) is not organized, and patriotic education is bureaucratized. With the repetition of the Western "blitzkrieg", the majority of Belarusians simply will not have time to stand up for their homeland. But the collaborators are well organized and will be used to the maximum to undermine the combat capability of Belarus.
            It would be possible to announce mobilization right now and create a people's militia with the distribution of infantry weapons. But for all his passionarity, the Old Man is rightly afraid to do this. And an attempt to distance himself from Russia in the European (yet!) conflict is his way to Calvary. He will also drag Nikolai along with him.
            Russia, judging by the latest events in the CIS and the CSTO, may not fit in with such an ally. So Belarus does not have a rich choice - either Western Russia or Eastern Kresy Poland.
            1. 0
              28 September 2022 06: 12
              And I am three-quarters Ukrainian, what does it give? I am a Russian Ukrainian and I don’t understand the same zmagars, what kind of passion for the losers? Together we built one state with the same Tatars, Buryats and other peoples.
              But the question is that the Ukrainians will not hit Minsk, they did not even hit Transnistria.
              1. 0
                28 September 2022 06: 29
                It gives you nothing but pain for your people.
                And there is nothing to regret about zmagars and others, it just needs to be taken into account when planning. They are, alas, a reality, and as Y. Paasikivi said when signing an agreement on the settlement of the results of the war and friendship with the USSR, "reality exists regardless of our whims."
                So far, the Ukrainian army is struggling to cope with the positional struggle, sometimes taking the initiative. BUT, with the support of NATO (especially from the air), it is capable of going on the offensive, especially where they are not waiting. And here is such an untouched pacifist, late Soviet Belarus! The very object for the combat coordination of Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine.
                So there will be an order from the USA - they will go! And in Transnistria too.
                1. 0
                  28 September 2022 06: 37
                  Yes, I have no pain, you read Kozhedub or Kovpak. They became Nazis, so they became. Just now my son saw Nazi symbols in his classroom in a cart and said so. This is not squealing, but the fight against fascism, if he understands this at the age of 15, then those Ukrainians should also understand. This also applies to Zmagarov, however, as well as Russian and Tatar and other Natsiks.
                  1. +1
                    28 September 2022 07: 06
                    This is when on the side.
                    And I spent this spring and summer on a long business trip. And there was a very ethnically diverse team there, including several people from the Donbass. So they have almost all relatives on the other side and on that side. And losses are everywhere. So it's not just that.
                    But that all nationalists need to be crushed in a multinational country - your truth.
          2. 0
            28 September 2022 10: 28
            Quote: Alexander Salenko
            Minsk? And incur the wrath of Belarusians? You must have been joking badly.

            If dill collect 5 million under arms, they can go to Minsk. At the request of the "government in exile".
        3. 0
          29 September 2022 13: 15
          I don’t understand a lot of things, I don’t consider stupidity or predalyug in the General Staff as a serious fantasy.
          But the question of why reinforcements in the required quantities are not suitable looks strange.
      2. +2
        28 September 2022 04: 56
        Quote: Chronos
        They want to surround and destroy the Liman garrison, preventing it from retreating. And then to advance on Svatovo and to the south up to Lugansk.

        A little wrong. Kupyansk, this is an exit to the operational space, - the entire north of the LPR, and Liman, this is an exit to the Rubizhne-Kremennaya-Lysichansk-Severodonetsk agglomeration!
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  3. +6
    27 September 2022 21: 43
    Hold on. Please hold on guys! And the reserves will come up - you yourself will go forward, crumble the Nazis. Only now without prisoners and mercy, okay? You can see for yourself that a sparing attitude towards dill is not horse food!
    1. +6
      27 September 2022 22: 03
      If you do not take their prisoners, they will not take ours.
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 05: 11
        When ours go on the offensive, it will not be so important. During the liberation of Crimea, the soldiers of the Separate Primorsky Army saw more than 500 people shot in the city of Stary Krym, of which 200 were children. This city can be surpassed, a large village in fact. So, the Primorye did not take the Germans as prisoners up to Balaklava.
    2. +6
      27 September 2022 22: 05
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      Hold on. Please hold on guys! And the reserves will come up - you yourself will go forward, crumble the Nazis.

      Battles are not won by good mantras and wishes.
      If there is a military necessity, it is necessary to leave the territory that cannot be held. A deblocking strike from the north after the loss of Kupyansk-Uzlovoy is unpromising. He himself will be in the "operational shadow" of the enemy strike on Svatovo. "Political" motives are harmful here as "festungs" in the Second World War.
      With the loss of territory, the war is not lost. With the loss of the army in the boiler ...
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 01: 17
        If there is a military necessity, it is necessary to leave the territory that cannot be held.
        In addition to the military component, there is a political one. If ours leave Liman, a terrible howl will rise, including here in the VO. Especially after the referendum, since it will be leaving part of Russia's territory to the enemy.
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 11: 11
          Quote: Vadmir
          In addition to the military component, there is a political one. If ours leave Liman, a terrible howl will rise, including here in the VO. Especially after the referendum, since it will be leaving part of Russia's territory to the enemy.

          At the expense of the political component I have mentioned.
          In the event of encirclement and destruction (surrender) of troops in the cauldron, the "howl" will be even worse hi
    3. -6
      27 September 2022 22: 16
      Today there was already a video with mobilized on September 21, with such a reserve, I don’t even know
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    1. +2
      27 September 2022 22: 17
      Quote: Rus_80
      In TG they write ours left Kupyansk ....

      Kupyansk has been in the gray zone for a couple of weeks now. Leaving him is just a formality.
  5. 0
    27 September 2022 22: 20
    The battles for Liman go on for a week. In the case of leaving this position (and this is not excluded at all), it will be completely incomprehensible the absence of spare positions and the next video and photo documents of abandoned (not destroyed) equipment.
    If this is the case, in the end, will there be culprits and what responsibility will they bear? angry
    PS Do not write to me that I put the cart before the horse am
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 09: 47
      Apparently, the reserve positions near Svatovo are being arranged very badly - there are not enough people. Perhaps they will transfer the mobilized, and things will go faster. Reserve positions are also needed along the Starobelsk-Severodonetsk line, but all this requires people and equipment. If all this is not done, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can create an unexpected local advantage, break through the defenses, and, bypassing the cities, enter the operational space of the Lugansk region, right up to the banks of the Seversky Donets near Luhansk and the border of the Russian Federation. There is no terrain convenient for defense, except for the river bank, the territory has long been in the deep rear, so the consequences can be catastrophic - the most combat-ready units are now hammering Bakhmut and standing near Kherson, they can’t be pulled out to help.
  6. +6
    27 September 2022 22: 37
    Quote: Adrey
    The battles for Liman go on for a week. In the case of leaving this position (and this is not excluded at all), it will be completely incomprehensible the absence of spare positions and the next video and photo documents of abandoned (not destroyed) equipment.
    If this is the case, in the end, will there be culprits and what responsibility will they bear? angry
    PS Do not write to me that I put the cart before the horse am

    Yes, there all the n ... brethren who commanded this front under the tribunal should be, not only that, as it turned out, no positions and lines of defense were built there in principle. So for another 2 weeks near Liman, the situation simply cannot be stabilized. That there are not 10000 left in the entire army in all of Russia to urgently plug a hole at the front? Mobilized wait? And if they don't make it? But they manage to open memorials and hold concerts in Lugansk. The referendum is celebrated. There is time, people and resources for this.
  7. +1
    27 September 2022 22: 51
    Everything is very difficult.
    Some kind of wild multi-move is played out.
    Krasny Liman is holding on by a thread, with the stop of the Nord Stream there is a muddy story, the referendums are almost over, but the results, as I understand it correctly, will be announced on Monday-Tuesday. And it's still a week.
    A lot of interesting things can happen this week.
    Really, as if we are watching a military drama live. Some kind of horror, surrealism.
  8. -3
    27 September 2022 23: 02
    Explain fool. During the time that Liman has been defending, it has long been possible to bring up enough forces to push back the enemy. Question: do the generals not know about Liman or are they deliberately sabotaging?
    1. +1
      27 September 2022 23: 17
      There are no fresh trained forces for reinforcements.

      Combat-ready forces are sent to capture Artemovsk.
      What is in this situation (the threat of a flank strike from the north to the rear of the Donbass group)
      became meaningless.
      But there is no one to cancel the order of the General Staff a month ago.
      1. -3
        27 September 2022 23: 32
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Combat-ready forces are sent to capture Artemovsk.
        What is in this situation (the threat of a flank strike from the north to the rear of the Donbass group)
        became meaningless.

        If the enemy succeeds to the north, with the development of an offensive with a turn to the south, the flight of this grouping will be simply epic...
        1. +2
          28 September 2022 02: 03
          Shame on you to talk about the militias and the Wagnerites. Do you write from Ekibastuz yourself? By the way, the Kazakhs give back the subpoenas.
          1. 0
            28 September 2022 02: 59
            He is partially right. The offensive near Artemovsk is going on in the "operational shadow" of the Kharkov grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It literally hangs over the "Wagnerites" from the north and it is very dangerous.
          2. +1
            28 September 2022 11: 13
            Quote: Nickelium
            Shame on you to talk about the militias and the Wagnerites.

            It's embarrassing, but rather criminally not "see" the emerging situation and continue senseless attacks on the fortified point when a threat loomed over the rear of the group.
            And ordinary fighters have nothing to do with it. They will have to pay as usual for someone's criminal bungling.
            1. 0
              28 September 2022 14: 24
              Why meaningless? The loss of Artyomovsk will hit the Armed Forces of Ukraine hard. And let Shoigu and others be responsible for the rear. Wagner and Akhmat are not among them.
              1. 0
                28 September 2022 14: 43
                Quote: Nickelium
                Why meaningless? The loss of Artyomovsk will hit the Armed Forces of Ukraine hard

                How will it hit? This offensive had a relative meaning with the aim of encircling Slavyansk-Kramatorsk. After the loss of Izyum, the meaning disappeared. look at the map
                1. -2
                  28 September 2022 14: 46
                  There is always meaning. But if you fall on the sofa and indulge in alcoholic grief, then there is no point. Or is there?
                  1. 0
                    28 September 2022 14: 58
                    Quote: Nickelium
                    There is always meaning.

                    What nonsense!? What's the point of banging your head against a wall?
                    1. -1
                      28 September 2022 15: 02
                      It depends what head. If the head is glass, then it is generally better to stand still like a gopher. And tungsten will blow everything to pieces.
                      1. 0
                        28 September 2022 15: 11
                        Quote: Nickelium
                        It depends what head. If the head is glass, then it is generally better to stand still like a gopher. And tungsten will blow everything to pieces.

                        Stop the pointless trolling hi
                      2. -2
                        28 September 2022 15: 16
                        Was it trolling? I thought it was an elf.
      2. 0
        27 September 2022 23: 58
        Well, what nonsense? Dofiga of these forces on the territory of Russia. Or transfer the Border Troops from the Estonian, Latvian, Finnish, Norwegian sectors. One horse-radish against Nata only the nucleus will save. And send mobs to the border areas. Just get practice.
        Wagner and Akhmat are auxiliary forces, not the most combat-ready ones. The most combat-ready are now near Kherson and in Zaporozhye.
        1. -2
          28 September 2022 04: 52
          Bravo! And again - cover!
          An attempt to fight with small forces with constant “no way” leads to a beating in parts and defeat on an operational scale. Another happiness is that the enemy cannot use aviation, and is forced to waste infantry immeasurably. But, with the red lines turning to pale pink, such a turn can be expected from NATO.
          1. -1
            28 September 2022 05: 16
            Actually, it turns out how much blood the blow to Novaya Kakhovka cost the dill? You can't win, but you can't lose either. The triumphal procession of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is somehow not observed.
            1. +1
              28 September 2022 06: 04
              Alas, for now.
              Remember (according to books, of course) the winter counteroffensive of the Red Army in 1941/1942. Also wild losses, also constant failures or incomplete success. But this is a school. Technical schools of 1943, universities of 1944 and academy of 1945 were born from this school.
              Our howl (oh yes, "no way" you need "our SVO") "quietly" gives the enemy time to mobilize and gain invaluable military experience, and "respected partners" of the GDP and SVL - to establish a real lend-lease and involve NATO allies in the fighting .
              So to believe that the enemy will run out of resources with the Falkengheim strategy is naive, and most importantly, dangerous.
              1. +2
                28 September 2022 06: 14
                Do you equate the Second World War with the current war? Ukrainians someone wants to destroy or what? There was a question of our survival with you. we are the descendants of just those who could do it. What does this have to do with the current situation?
                1. +3
                  28 September 2022 06: 44
                  Where can I compare!
                  Our beloved General Staff so famously fell into the trenches not even of the Great Patriotic War, but of the First World War. Moreover, he lost the initiative by fighting with small forces.
                  The question of survival still stands today, and even more acutely than 80 years ago. Then we had, albeit rotten, but allies, there was a lend-lease in our direction (and in 1942-1943 it was only three-quarters of explosives and propellants, and even more - in rolling stock).
                  The delay in this "SVO" objectively leads to the extermination of only Ukrainians so far, due to the loss of normal living conditions, the crisis of supply and medicine.
                  The fate of Russia will not be better if it tries to "turn back" and negotiate with the West through concessions (the same Belarus, for example). The West is a predator, it finishes off the weak and wounded animals.
                  1. 0
                    28 September 2022 09: 37
                    I don’t agree on the subject of rolling, yes, this is a la WWI, but positional crises arose both in WWII and before WWI, and for a long time, to take the siege of Dyrrachium by Caesar. And so, in general, the position is clear hi
                  2. 0
                    28 September 2022 14: 30
                    After the referenda, what kind of agreements can be? I just don’t understand one thing: why the hell are the Sumerians attacking the Donbass fortified area, when sections of the Kursk and Voronezh regions, as well as Belarus, are defenseless in front of them? Precious time is wasted and the best forces are being worn away. I remember they reproached us for bashing our foreheads on Avdiivka. And now the Sumerians are doing it. Is there a magnet there?
              2. 0
                28 September 2022 14: 27
                So we are just mobilized. The enemy has been fighting for 8 years and has combat experience.
                The enemy just runs out of resources - human. Then the Hitler Youth will go.
  9. ASM
    -1
    27 September 2022 23: 07
    Glory to our soldiers! May their mind be clear and their hand strong!
  10. -1
    27 September 2022 23: 32
    Quote: voyaka uh
    There are no fresh trained forces for reinforcements.

    Combat-ready forces are sent to capture Artemovsk.
    What is in this situation (the threat of a flank strike from the north to the rear of the Donbass group)
    became meaningless.
    But there is no one to cancel the order of the General Staff a month ago.

    And what happened? Did you break the wires to the General Staff? Are there only idiots and traitors left? Why the hell is this swotting in the forehead near Artemovsk when Liman is literally hanging by a thread? There, the Ukrainian is already setting up several crossings, moving armored vehicles. Attacks with the support of helicopters. While the striped mediocrity the mobre reserve is waiting.
    1. -3
      28 September 2022 00: 04
      Under Artyomovsk, Wagner and Akhmat are auxiliary forces. They will not take out against the regular season near Liman. So let them do their job. I have already suggested above the option of transferring the Border Troops from the north-west of the country to this direction. And mobikov just on the border. Mobrezerezv from the recruits will not solve anything against the regular military. And where the hell is Begonia? Why the hell to fuck distant Odessa if under Liman you can massively knock out the enemy?
    2. -3
      28 September 2022 00: 19
      "Were all the wires to the General Staff interrupted?" ///
      ----
      Order inertia...
      Ordered from Moscow: "Liberate Donbass".
      And the order is executed in the forehead, as if the loss of Kharkov
      there was no region, and as if the Kharkiv region does not border on the Donbass.
      Generals act on outdated orders, not on
      changed operating environment.
      1. -2
        28 September 2022 05: 19
        Well, part of the area is being held and that is not the question. Where are the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Well, they took Raisins and Balakleya, well, they showed something at that moment and got bogged down, exhausted. Natural Verdun meat grinder.
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 06: 08
          Do you know her "meat grinder" well? There, after all, the French were killed immeasurably. The Somme is the opposite.
          If you mobilize in order to spend all the positional battles, then you need to understand that NATO has more resources.
          1. -1
            28 September 2022 06: 17
            Not very much, but I do not think that it is less than yours. My comparison may not be entirely successful, there were approximately equal forces, here the Ukrainians are wetted with artillery, which the Ukrainians lack.
            Let's take another example, the Germans almost took Stalingrad, but the artillery on the left bank of the Volga somehow prevented them from almost taking it.
            1. 0
              28 September 2022 07: 13
              Yes, who is against it!
              Only our superiority in artillery can be instantly leveled by the appearance of NATO aircraft in full growth in the sky of Ukraine. You can not tighten this SVO. For a decisive victory, the use of all available means is necessary.
              As for the First World War, I know it quite well. Both of my grandfathers and one of my grandmothers passed it, so there was an incentive to study it.
              1. -1
                28 September 2022 09: 44
                The appearance of NATO aviation is a retaliatory nuclear strike.
              2. -1
                28 September 2022 14: 35
                Nata's aviation is leveled by air defense. What for Nate massively downed phantoms? This is at least a drop in the reputation of the aircraft.
                As for the delay - it does not depend on us. The West (USA) must suffer critical losses in order to want peace itself. And so the war can continue indefinitely even if we go to Chop. They will harness the Poles, they will say that this is not NATO, but their initiative, and we will butt heads with them at Sniardwa and Lodz.
          2. 0
            28 September 2022 14: 31
            Human? They are not limitless. So far, they have not sent Poles and Romanians.
        2. +2
          28 September 2022 10: 15
          Izyum is a city of strategic importance due to its geographical position.
          After its loss, it was not by chance that the Russian army had to give up an area of ​​​​8000 sq. Km
          The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the capture of Balakleya and Izyum almost without a fight were minimal. Resistance began only from Kupyansk and Liman.
    3. 0
      28 September 2022 10: 38
      Quote: Adagka
      Quote: voyaka uh
      There are no fresh trained forces for reinforcements.

      Combat-ready forces are sent to capture Artemovsk.
      What is in this situation (the threat of a flank strike from the north to the rear of the Donbass group)
      became meaningless.
      But there is no one to cancel the order of the General Staff a month ago.

      And what happened? Did you break the wires to the General Staff? Are there only idiots and traitors left? Why the hell is this swotting in the forehead near Artemovsk when Liman is literally hanging by a thread? There, the Ukrainian is already setting up several crossings, moving armored vehicles. Attacks with the support of helicopters. While the striped mediocrity the mobre reserve is waiting.

      How simple it is for you, take the General Staff and give a directive to stop the offensive on Artemovsk. And generals fools do not understand. Just what's next? Wagnerites on the outskirts of the city and in the industrial zone go on the defensive? What will change for the better? Will the Kharkov grouping of the enemy evaporate? Or take the musicians and the NM of the LPR away from Artemovsk and Soledar? Where to take then? And the enemy will not sit on his shoulders? The attack of the Wagnerites on Artemovsk, among other things, makes the garrison of the city tense up, and the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine constantly reinforces this garrison with reinforcements from Slavyansk. It is also necessary to strengthen the garrison of Soledar. If you just take and cancel the offensive, these reserves will go just under Liman, to Svatovo and through Belogorovka to Lisichansk. So not everything is easy in this life.
  11. +4
    27 September 2022 23: 46
    Too optimistic. In general, there is little information on Liman. But still, the defense of Liman is not Izyum or Balakliya. They fight for almost a month.
    1. -1
      28 September 2022 00: 05
      Because there are not mobs, but Kuban volunteers and parts of the Brave group.
      1. +4
        28 September 2022 06: 46
        Everyone is talking about mobikov in Balakleya and Izyum. But do mobiles drive T-90M and T-80U, which they abandoned there during the retreat? Maybe it's better to tell the truth?
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 14: 38
          So the truth is that there were reservists. Or do you hate to hear it? Well, here is the truth. Mobiles were thrown into an important direction in the expectation that they would not attack here. This is a fatal miscalculation of the General Staff.
          1. +1
            28 September 2022 15: 18
            then I don’t understand where they got the T-90M and T80U tanks from
            1. -1
              28 September 2022 15: 23
              Well, given for the parade. We have parades and Almaty with Boomerangs ride. Chessslovo, like the first time.
  12. -1
    28 September 2022 00: 09
    In 1990, the population of the Soviet Union was 285,7 million people. At the same time, there were more than 7200 helicopters in the army aviation.
    In the Russian Federation, as of October 1, 2021, 147,2 million people lived in Russia.
    If we bring to the population, then the Russian army should have at least 3700 helicopters. But in fact, about 1500.
    That's all you need to know about the current capabilities of fire support for ground forces and their mobility.
    This is not to mention the fact that the current commanders have completely forgotten the Afghan and Chechen experience, which is why army aviation, like aviation in general, suffers unjustified combat losses.
    Well, in relation to this topic, there is simply nothing to plug this breakthrough.
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 07: 02
      Why is this post downvoted?
      What's wrong with it?
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 09: 11
        So this is the local "UAV party" that has already canceled combat aviation.
  13. +1
    28 September 2022 06: 20
    In general, several conclusions can be drawn as of September 28:

    1. Losing strategic initiative is not easy to get back. Therefore, it is undesirable to miss it.

    2. Without mobilization, there would be no chance. Spent it late, but it's good that at least they did.

    3. You can attack without a fire shaft. Not by storming fortified positions head-on, but by finding weak spots using DRGs and mobile groups.

    4. Responding to change is more important than sticking to the original plan. The situation at the front is changing rapidly.
  14. -4
    28 September 2022 07: 34
    therefore, pro-Ukrainian residents practically ignored the plebiscite

    Suitcase - station - Zapadenschina!
  15. 0
    28 September 2022 17: 47
    The Germans did not take all the cities, they went around a lot and took them in tongs, tongs and pots. Some fell straight into the frying pan. As I remember now, the report about the fact that the plant completed the five-year plan ahead of schedule in four and a half years and six months. He took a counter obligation and carried it over the plant's fence. Since there are no jobs, then you can fight. It was not possible to get rid of the surplus of the population by hunger, so it is possible by another, quick method. At one German enterprise, everything was so accelerated that trains came one after another, but the plan was not fulfilled. But the plan was a little more than 12 million.
  16. 0
    29 September 2022 19: 46
    Let's hope command knows what they're doing. If troops are not withdrawn, then there are reserves for a counterattack.