A direct and obvious threat is sabotage at Nord Stream

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A direct and obvious threat is sabotage at Nord Stream
So hundreds of millions go from under the water to the wind. Source: Telegram


Technique and sabotage


The situation developed rapidly. On the night of September 26, pressure dropped sharply in the Nord Stream 1 pipes. A little later, the same thing was recorded in the idle branch of Nord Stream 2. Despite the status “not working”, there was gas in the pipe under pressure. The rest of the branches passed no more than 20% of the design capacity. The Swiss company Nord Stream AG was the first to sound the alarm. It was created specifically to manage gas pipelines from Russia.



Company managers said:
“The destruction that occurred on the same day simultaneously on three strings of the offshore gas pipelines of the Nord Stream system is unprecedented. It is not yet possible to estimate the timing of the restoration of the gas transport infrastructure.”

There is no need to talk about an accident - only a targeted sabotage can simultaneously disable three pipes at once. The collapse of the pipes happened in the Danish exclusive zone southeast of Bornholm, and it was the Danes who were the first to disseminate photographs of Russian natural gas gushing from the seabed. There are several spots on the surface of the water, the largest in diameter is about 1 kilometer, a small one is no more than 200 meters. According to estimates, $2 billion worth of natural gas could escape into the atmosphere. There is no need to talk about the scale of the ecological catastrophe that is now unfolding off the Danish coast.

on September 27 news came from Sweden, where local seismologists recorded two explosions:
"One of the explosions had a magnitude of 2,3 and was registered at measuring stations across the country."
The police even gave a name to this event - "gross sabotage."


Source: gazprom.ru

Indeed, such a diversion requires brute force. What does Nord Stream represent itself in technical terms? These are two strings of 1224 km each, laid on the Baltic bottom with pipes with a diameter of 1,22 meters. It is difficult to calculate what pressure was in the pipes at the time of the explosion (and this was clearly an explosion), but nominally 220 bar (217 atmospheres) at the inlet, and up to 106 bar (104 atmospheres) in Germany at the outlet. The pressure is excessive - the Germans have enough of it for another hundred kilometers of transportation by land. Hence the thickness of the pipes, varying from 27 to 41 mm. At the same time, the pipes are additionally covered on the outside with several centimeters of a concrete jacket reinforced with steel. To defeat such a thick-walled object, either targeted torpedoing with a shaped charge was required, or simply undermining several dozen explosives in TNT equivalent.

This is probably why the terminal section of the pipe was chosen, the wall thickness of which approaches 27 mm. This is a design feature of the pipeline - the farther from Russia, the less pressure and the thinner the wall. And the depth at the place of the gust is relatively small - only 70 meters. These are quite working conditions for most NATO deep-sea vehicles. Why are there bathyscaphes, modern scuba gear can withstand 300 meters under water. In fairness, the highly developed fleets of NATO countries have no problem in undermining the most durable segments of the gas pipeline near Russia. Just closer to Europe, the execution is easier and already definitely for sure. In addition, sabotage near the coasts of Denmark and Sweden will make it possible to unequivocally blame Russia. They say that they not only completely cut off the gas, but also organized a local environmental catastrophe.

How long does it take for gas to escape from broken pipes? It's hard to say, but under normal conditions, gas traveled from the Russian Portovaya compressor station to Germany for twelve days. Under the current conditions, the Germans are obliged to buy up to 40 billion cubic meters of Russian gas annually until 2030. Now this condition takes on a special flavor.

Who needs it?


Considering the attack on the Nord Stream lines as a full-fledged attack on Russian infrastructure should be done with a high degree of conventionality. First of all, because the operator company Nord Stream AG is only 51% owned by Russia, respectively, and the "pipe" is slightly more than half of ours. There are still Germans, Dutch and French in the share. But if it is quite strictly, then the sabotage is still anti-Russian. However, it carries enormous risks for Europe. For an indefinite period, Ukraine becomes the main supplier of gas, through which the last working pipeline string passes. Then we begin to bring the logical chains together.

The Germans recently once again refused to supply heavy weapons to Ukraine, from which Kyiv simply begged. Yes, and Mother Europe herself has not been particularly generous with Tanks and rocket launchers for the needs of Bandera. And now the only valve on the gas pipe near Kyiv. Or near Warsaw, which may well launch Yamal-Europe again. Most likely it will. The Poles are the main advocates of the Kyiv regime in the European Union and they must put the squeeze on the Germans in matters of supply weapons. That is the mission. Warsaw's recent encroachments on reparations speak very well of relations between Germany and Poland.

There is also the Turkish Stream, but it is much more difficult to transfer gas flows to the west of Europe through it. Winter is coming and there are not many free capacities here.


Source: gazprom.ru

As a result, Ukraine not only gets the trumps of gas transit in its hands, but also another reason to blame Russia. In the matter of information warfare, the Bandera people have become adept for a long time - this can be seen with the naked eye. Relatively small, but still, the losses of the Russian budget also warm the souls of Bandera. Here the score is definitely 3:0 in favor of Kyiv.

Undermining three branches of the gas pipeline at once put out of action the only route of natural gas to Europe independent of transit countries. And the sabotage was prudently committed in European waters, so that Russian repairmen could not under any circumstances get to the point of explosion. Neither for repair, nor for studying the circumstances of what happened.

Further along the chain we move to the UK and the USA, which are neither hot nor cold from the gas "key" from the bottom of the sea somewhere off the coast of Europe. Well, hydrocarbons are pouring into the European atmosphere, what's special? However, without the sanction of these hegemons, such an event would not have taken place in any way. Because political dividends here are just a full trunk.

Firstly, the Germans insisted more and more insistently on the launch of Nord Stream 2. Winter is getting closer, the temperature in the house is getting lower, and the factories stop one by one. Now the unfortunate Germans simply have nothing to connect. I won't be surprised if the Americans also sabotage the process of repairing the pipeline. By the way, USS Kearsarge, a Wasp-class assault ship of the US Navy, recently visited Bornholm Island. He has the notoriety of participating in the bombing of Yugoslavia. It is impossible to carry out an operation to destroy the gas pipeline at relatively shallow depths of the Baltic without the assistance of NATO fleets. No Russian deep-sea submersible could have made it this far to the west without being noticed.

Secondly, an acute gas crisis due to the failure of an important traffic flow will cause another wave of industrial flight from Germany to the United States. At least sixty German companies intend to settle in Oklahoma alone. The Germans are rapidly deindustrializing to the applause of the American elites. Undermining the Nord Streams will give this vector even more impetus.

Thirdly, the desire to provoke Russia into a further escalation of the conflict cannot be dismissed. Hotheads like Liz Truss are intent on defeating the Kremlin in a near-nuclear war. Can this sabotage be regarded as a direct provocation against Russia? The tension is definitely growing - here are the results of the referendum in the liberated territories, and partial mobilization. The Yankees decided to throw another puzzle - what will Russia do? Nothing will happen. Now the main composure and observation. And the winter with the broken Nord Streams turned out to be much closer for Europe than it was thought.
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  1. -15
    28 September 2022 03: 55
    Actually, the possibility of sabotage on the gas pipeline was discussed not so long ago. Including in the media.
    So, during the period of aggravation of the international situation, the supervision of gas pipelines was not strengthened?
    What are we waiting for now?
    Sabotage on South Stream? Or will there be increased oversight?
    1. +53
      28 September 2022 04: 12
      "Prilyad" for 1224 km on two strings in foreign waters?
      1. +24
        28 September 2022 08: 21
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        "Prilyad" for 1224 km on two strings in foreign waters?

        What the hell is a lookout? It's time for the GOOGI to send their fish to strike back: blow up the gas pipelines running from Norway to Europe. Blow up the Ukrainian GTS, shift the responsibility to Ukrovermacht. And what is the state of the turbines on the Turkish Stream? Isn't it time to do it? Western fascists don't stop raising the stakes. How much Khrushch is missing with his shoes in the UN and the Tsar Bomba. If only some charismatic inadequate was appointed Minister of Defense, from which the West's knees will tremble.
        Our concerns are the problems of our concerns.
        1. +22
          28 September 2022 08: 52
          Quote: Bearded
          How is Khrushchev missing?

          I remind you that the end of the USSR is his undertaking.
          Further, to the best of their ability, others supported, but he launched it.
          1. +5
            28 September 2022 12: 47
            Well, no one talked about "Khrushchev-president". It's a pity Zhirinovsky died. It would be in the UN. Already he smashed everything with barrel shoes, and he slandered with them.
            1. 0
              29 September 2022 17: 23
              So he has a successor Slutsky. Maybe he can give a rustle to the UN.
              1. +1
                29 September 2022 20: 25
                Quote: Divy Divych
                So he has a successor Slutsky.

                Amorphous careerists, a dime a dozen. Such as Zhirinovsky (for all his leaps) - a few.
              2. -2
                29 September 2022 20: 53
                Ramzan Akhmadovich can be seconded once, don! He will bottle these hunchbacked shaitans.
                1. 0
                  2 October 2022 10: 32
                  And what is the point of him going there, there are no leaders of his level present there. Yes, and special services from different countries roam - snipers will be placed on the roofs to assassinate if they go.
                  There is no reason for him to be there.
              3. -1
                3 October 2022 13: 21
                Slutsky is not a "skull" .... Analysts like Zhirinovsky are born once in a hundred years ... They did not underestimate Zhirinovsky, or maybe they were simply afraid to invite him "to power" ... "In power" one needs accommodating , "politically courteous - loyal", predictable and with a slightly tarnished reputation to keep on a "short leash" ... And without these "qualities" "in power" one can "break such firewood" that the "popular wave of trust" can endure and to Olympus itself, and this, somehow, is not included in the plans for "personnel rotation" in power structures ....
                1. 0
                  4 October 2022 10: 00
                  In Russia, besides Zhirinovsky, there are many other people who know how to analyze facts, they just had less PR in the federal media. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist.
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2022 17: 02
                    Fortunately, I know .... And Zhirinovsky was one of the brightest figures on this list ... Something like that ...
                    1. 0
                      4 October 2022 17: 07
                      The word "PR" is complicated... If there were the brightest "figures", then they prefer "shadow" more than "public sun", and even "shadow". in views, it is safer, and sometimes even "more profitable" than "public outcry" ...
                      1. 0
                        5 October 2022 12: 18
                        It is safer to be in the shadows, I agree with this, so many smart people do not climb into power.
        2. +3
          28 September 2022 13: 00
          Alas, now muddy schemes are in fashion in the Kremlin ...
        3. -1
          28 September 2022 13: 06
          Quote: Bearded
          How much Khrushch is missing with his shoes in the UN and the Tsar Bomba.

          do you need another XNUMXth congress?!
          1. +3
            28 September 2022 16: 29
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            another XNUMXth congress?!

            If for EP, then why not. A renegade, he is a renegade anywhere, betraying once and lying once.
          2. 0
            4 October 2022 17: 11
            Russia, now, does not need the XX Congress, but a predictable, consistent, in all respects, power, with tripled political will and "iron eggs" ....
        4. +1
          28 September 2022 13: 38
          Don't mention GOOGIE in the fuss, well, fuck them. If they connect, they will investigate this ... It was, they served, we know.
        5. +5
          28 September 2022 14: 31
          Now it suddenly turns out that the Losharik deep-sea submersible, which frightened the entire West with the fact that it could destroy submarine communication cables and pipelines, is also not yet ready for practical use, yet in the form of a mock-up or prototype ...
          1. -1
            3 October 2022 13: 34
            Are you sure that he is not ready? ... Was he the only one in the entire RF Armed Forces? I very much doubt its "uniqueness" and uniqueness ..... The West would "twitch" and get excited if "Losharik" was alone, like a "finger" in the ocean depths ... As they say: "It's not evening yet, Herr "Goffman"....."
        6. +1
          28 September 2022 17: 39
          Quote: Bearded
          If only some charismatic inadequate was appointed Minister of Defense, from which the West's knees will tremble.

          Yes, there is an Iron Dimon. Only it is necessary for him not only to give Twitter and Contact in his hands, but also to give out a tribune, and also to shine it a couple of times along with the military.
      2. -3
        28 September 2022 10: 56
        "Prilyad" for 1224 km on two strings in foreign waters?

        When construction began, they talked about building a squadron of ships to control and protect the gas pipeline. But apparently then they decided to save money, or they simply stole money for ships. Here is the result.
        If about 20 guards cruised along the pipe, no one would sneak up unnoticed.
        We have a concept of fighting terrorism, and the army is sharpened for this. And it turns out that any terrorist can swim up to the pipe on a boat and drop a bomb from above, and no one will see. This is anti-terrorist security.
        1. +8
          28 September 2022 14: 20
          This is, like, the territorial waters of Denmark. Who will let Russian ships go there ...
          1. +2
            28 September 2022 15: 20
            You can also observe from a distance without entering the territorial waters.
            1. +2
              28 September 2022 17: 41
              It was understood that Europe needed this gas pipeline no less than Russia. Yes, and the distribution of the block of shares speaks directly about this. The gas pipeline belongs to everyone, but should Russia protect it?
              1. 0
                29 September 2022 09: 10
                The gas pipeline belongs to everyone, but should Russia protect it?

                The nuances of who should guard had to be decided. Maybe some kind of private security company or PMC. But in fact, they decided not to guard at all. Therefore, the result is appropriate.
                1. 0
                  29 September 2022 09: 34
                  So from whom to protect something? Terrorists, pirates and others, from whom it would be necessary to protect, are not found there. Who in their right mind could have imagined that someone would decide to blow up gas pipelines?
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 09: 15
                    from whom to protect something?

                    Gas pipelines in the Caucasus were blown up? They blew it up.
                    South Stream tried to blow up? Tried.
                    Are there terrorist attacks in the country and the world? Happen.
                    Will land gas pipelines and oil pipelines be monitored and guarded? Yes, they are watching and guarding.
                    And why no one deals with offshore gas pipelines?
                    I understand that at depths of 100-200 meters it is difficult to do some kind of dirty trick. But where the gas pipeline lies at a depth of 20-50 meters, where any diver can simply swim and try to do harm, you definitely need to watch it.
                    And most likely both the Danes and the Swedes observed it. It is impossible not to notice how someone is rubbing near the gas pipeline. If a private yacht had been there for several days, they would definitely have reacted. And when the fleet of a superpower conducts exercises there, no one rushed. And we have nothing to observe, and we have no documentary evidence, because we do not control this area by technical means, we show only other people's records.
                    1. 0
                      30 September 2022 10: 43
                      Quote: glory1974
                      Are there terrorist attacks in the country and the world? Happen.

                      But not in Europe :)
                      Europe has long been assumed to be a uniquely safe and well-fed place, from where everyone dances, I suppose. Why spend money on security if you are in Europe? It's so safe there.
                      1. 0
                        30 September 2022 10: 56
                        Europe has long been envisioned as a uniquely safe and well-fed place.

                        shooting of Charlie Hebdo, trucks crushing crowds in France and Germany, executions of people, etc. Not to mention skirmishes with migrants.
                        In general, I do not agree that everything is full and calm.
                        In addition, there are rules fixed by law, who, whom and how should be protected. Moreover, private security companies are not allowed to protect strategic facilities.
                        In general, there are many questions. I think that Western partners, as usual, did not keep their promises and deceived our effective managers.
                  2. 0
                    5 October 2022 13: 54
                    This is called "indifference" at the state level ... There is simply no one to think about organizing the protection of the gas pipeline or education did not allow or "put in your pocket" from this "venture" - a minuscule for which you did not want to "dirty" ... So Russia has , what it currently has. Lies, postscripts, theft - nepotism, indifference - have become our "national sports" ...
                    1. 0
                      5 October 2022 15: 37
                      Europe needed the gas pipeline no less than Russia. In Europe, it turns out, too, "lies, postscripts, theft, nepotism, indifference", since they did not organize anything like that?
                      1. 0
                        5 October 2022 21: 09
                        If Europe needed a gas pipeline, it would have worked to its fullest for a long time, no matter what ... Our "everything" (mentality, education, de-ideologization, mass "indifference") is a "cast" from European society to the "standards", which, with kicks, were "driven" by Russia for the last 30 years, and we didn’t really resist the "chasers", buried in a PC, TV, "our own" world "under a hamburger with Cola" ..... And about theft - nepotism - "one to one", whatever is there, then we have .... We need to more carefully "digest" the information "from behind the hillock" and "turn on the head more often", loading our lazy brain with information analysis ... Here something like this...
          2. 0
            28 September 2022 15: 32
            Quote: BIABIA
            This is, like, the territorial waters of Denmark.

            and SP2 goes by tervods?
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 20: 59
              Well, there is the island of Bornholm, which belongs to Denmark, nearby ...
    2. +16
      28 September 2022 04: 33
      Quote: U-58
      Or will there be increased oversight?
      I would like to hear how you imagine it?
      1. +15
        28 September 2022 05: 09
        Considering the attack on the Nord Stream lines as a full-fledged attack on Russian infrastructure should be done with a high degree of conventionality.

        Indeed, what kind of attack is there, not what kind of Russian infrastructure?
        Armed Ukraine and inspired her that her army - the second in Europe, probably the Martians. They also sank the Moskva. Their compatriots from Jupiter are supplying modern weapons to Ukraine and dragging out armed confrontation forever...
        And who are the “white and fluffy” ones, instead of taking care of current affairs in the country, executions in schools and military registration and enlistment offices, they were worried about mercantile interests - how will Gazprom now earn euros (rubles) ... Why don’t they take care the supply of Russian goods to the main organizers: the US and Britain?
        And the question of retaliatory measures is not worth it ... Have you taken care of who will receive what benefit there? What kind of Poland will take the place of Germany?
        *****
        To tell whose "co-conspiracy" led to such consequences, or did everyone guess?
        What is a similar fairy tale situation:
        1. +8
          28 September 2022 09: 40
          And psheks don’t fire anymore ...
          Holiday at Sikorsky! angry
      2. -3
        28 September 2022 06: 59
        Eh... I'm embarrassed to ask: do I need to present all this or to interested organizations and [special] services?
        I can predict anything for myself. Kina American seen enough.
        And on a serious issue, there are quite serious people. "They should be entrusted with the creation of our comedies" ©
      3. -2
        28 September 2022 10: 33
        What other tasks does the fleet have in general?
    3. +9
      28 September 2022 05: 10
      + and I'm interested to know how it is possible to control such a section of the smooth surface from sabotage, and the bottom of the sea ... and even not in their territories. waters)))
      1. +4
        28 September 2022 10: 35
        Sabotage occurred outside the territory. waters. Zkonom. the zone is not hot.
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 12: 48
          What does this have to do with my comment? I wrote something about where it happened?!
          1. +3
            28 September 2022 14: 28
            Sorry. I replied to a comment BiaBia
        2. +5
          28 September 2022 14: 50
          Quote: stankow
          territorial waters of Denmark
          In your opinion, why should Russia spend money on protecting an idle gas pipeline? Wait for the Germans to graciously allow us to launch it? Pretty, they will repair it themselves with a guarantee for 100 years. Can't they themselves? Let them be interested in something.
          1. +1
            29 September 2022 20: 59
            Logically. The case is out of warranty. It is necessary to shut off the valve through the dill, let them think faster.
    4. +14
      28 September 2022 05: 54
      Lookout? Is this how you imagine? I can only imagine a lineman-diver with a fighting dolphin
      1. +9
        28 September 2022 06: 13
        Lookout? Is this how you imagine? I can only imagine a lineman-diver with a fighting dolphin

        Breeding fighting mermaids is also an option.
        1. +6
          28 September 2022 06: 55
          +1 Why not? Young mermaids with sailors are twisting, but what about the old ones? Dial watchmen for every 2-3 km
          1. +4
            28 September 2022 11: 37
            No one can do it better than old Poseidon! And it’s better to immediately go to decision-making centers, because what’s the point in fighting the consequences while the cause is spoiling?
          2. 0
            28 September 2022 14: 55
            Quote: Knizhnik
            Dial watchmen for every 2-3 km
            For each seam - a watchman so that the mouse does not slip through.
      2. +1
        28 September 2022 10: 37
        A saboteur not from the United States swooped with flippers. It is transported and lowered by ship. Mini-submarines are also visible on the GAS.
    5. +4
      28 September 2022 05: 55
      Quote: U-58
      What are we waiting for now?
      Sabotage on South Stream? Or will there be increased oversight?

      How do you imagine this. And the DRG of the Ukronazis was captured, which was supposed to carry out sabotage on the Turkish Stream.
      1. -4
        28 September 2022 07: 03
        And sho? Let everything go by itself? Or to entrust everything to Western sworn partners for self-righteousness?
    6. +5
      28 September 2022 06: 42
      Pandemic, own, mobilization, explosion of gas pipelines, now I have seen everything in my life?
      1. +8
        28 September 2022 09: 45
        No, not all, there is still a non-illusory opportunity to hotly celebrate the day of the mushroom picker, based on the rehashing of Cheburashka's song (there is also about a nuclear landmine and about chloropicrin / cyan).
      2. +4
        28 September 2022 09: 46
        Quote: Clever man
        Pandemic, own, mobilization, explosion of gas pipelines, now I have seen everything in my life?

        Vasily, all the fun is just beginning!

        We are waiting for new statements from Grandfather fart ...
      3. 0
        28 September 2022 16: 52
        Quote: Clever man
        Pandemic, own, mobilization, explosion of gas pipelines, now I have seen everything in my life?

        But what about the Third World War? feel
        1. 0
          1 October 2022 21: 07
          Quote: Bearded
          Quote: Clever man
          Pandemic, own, mobilization, explosion of gas pipelines, now I have seen everything in my life?

          But what about the Third World War? feel

          while it is being postponed ... now ours will put pressure on all fronts - it is quite possible or as an option - the first and second categories will be massively called up for training camps ...
      4. +2
        28 September 2022 22: 56
        No need to be sad, the whole tin is ahead ...
    7. 0
      28 September 2022 08: 33
      For such an eye you need Cthulhu. Nothing without him.
    8. +1
      28 September 2022 13: 05
      and who will let you into their waters to look after ?!
    9. 0
      29 September 2022 05: 18
      was the supervision of the gas pipelines not strengthened?
      to place a sentry with a machine gun for every 30 meters of the pipeline? Dolphin patrols? Naval patrols? Aviation? And .. all this in foreign territories. waters? recourse good
  2. +28
    28 September 2022 03: 57
    Request the admission of our specialists to the places of sabotage. In case of refusal on their part, it is stupid to break contracts for the supply of gas to ALL European countries. Would you say there are penalties? And hit on them. They've already taken a ton of our money already.
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 11: 24
      Quote: Mixweb
      They've already taken a ton of our money already.

      Those. do you propose to give the last ones?
      Do you know how much money we receive for the sale of hydrocarbons? How much does the SVO cost? About? Or are we flooding not only the EU, but the rest of the world with other exports?
      Will India and China buy? That's how they buy. And their needs are not unlimited.
      1. 0
        28 September 2022 23: 48
        Excuse me, but what is the money for hydrocarbons for a country that is laid on all sides, for example, in 1941, to fight or everything is for sale, then there were no sanctions, money and prices on the domestic market are completely different, this is maintaining the domestic market, not to be confused with speculation and liability under the uk for it.
      2. 0
        29 September 2022 22: 07
        We don't need them. We need to start developing ourselves. It's time to deal tough with bureaucrats and put normal people in power and develop. China as an example. We have everything for this and our people are not stupid. The will of the chief is needed. Otherwise, we will clean the boots for the Anglo-Saxons.
    2. -1
      28 September 2022 11: 41
      Can't we swim and dive in international waters?
    3. 0
      28 September 2022 11: 52
      And who can forbid to inspect the pipeline in places of accidents? This is not a territory of water, but an economic zone. Would you like, the hydrographic vessel was already sailing there. Your comment is more like a dispersal of hysteria in the media.
  3. +14
    28 September 2022 03: 57
    However, the risks for Europe are enormous
    This sabotage with far-reaching consequences!
    1. +13
      28 September 2022 05: 13
      Not only with "far-reaching consequences" ... first of all, with far-reaching plans!
    2. -3
      28 September 2022 08: 26
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      This sabotage with far-reaching consequences!

      Thanks to those who did this, otherwise "our" 5th point (Muller) would never refuse to supply our enemies with our resources.
      1. +2
        28 September 2022 17: 47
        Nothing went through these unfortunate gas pipelines anyway. The author correctly wrote in the article that, as a result, the pumping of gas from Russia to Europe ended up in the hands of Poland and Ukraine.
  4. +20
    28 September 2022 04: 15
    This event does not give Kiev anything. From the word at all. Who prevents us from closing the screw on the transit pipe? .The task is to finish off the EU. "Thermal" riots are already a reality of the near future. EU industry, a corpse. Beneficiary? Well, you understand ...
    1. +12
      28 September 2022 04: 42
      Quote: shinobi
      Beneficiary? Well, you understand ...

      So, not so long ago, I thought that it’s not good to drive gas to Europe. But now I'm not sure about it. Germany will die without gas, and Poland will come to the fore in the form of no longer a mongrel, but quite a bulldog of the USA and England. And a bulldog with a whistling flask.
      By the way, I’m not hinting at anything, but gas carriers are even more vulnerable to natural fires and even explosions.
      1. +4
        28 September 2022 05: 19
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        and Poland will come to the fore

        Quite reasonable! Moreover, Poland has always been tied to England and the obligatory consent of the Americans for this they do not need.
        1. GIS
          +1
          28 September 2022 13: 43
          that is why, first of all, it is necessary to "flush" the island into the ocean, and then the pshkov behind them into the tighter Baltic. can bulldozers
      2. +1
        28 September 2022 06: 34
        To give the order to sink gas carriers, you need steel Faberge. Which our bosses somehow do not observe.
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 07: 28
          Quote: Al Manah
          To give the order to sink gas carriers, you need steel Faberge.
          Why drown? Just don't stop freedom-loving and democratic American liquefied gas from choosing freedom! Right on the port!
        2. +2
          28 September 2022 10: 38
          Beaucoup de méthaniers mais peu de terminaux ...tirez en les conclusions

          Many methane carriers, but few terminals ... draw conclusions
        3. 0
          29 September 2022 21: 14
          Americans will swallow, though they will grimace. Leave unanswered - it will be worse for us in the first place. What difference does it make who exactly will tear off their flabby Faberge if they themselves miss the chance to shake up the enemy's Faberge with a kick of their boot? Pay attention to what hysteria there is - the black -haired lesbian explains the position of the grandfather for the internal consumer. They will stay in this state for no more than a week, then shake out everything that has accumulated in their pants, and continue their research on our "red lines"
      3. +7
        28 September 2022 07: 21
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        By the way, I’m not hinting at anything, but gas carriers are even more vulnerable to natural fires and even explosions.

        Especially during unloading at terminals in Polish ports.
        1. +3
          28 September 2022 07: 25
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Especially during unloading at terminals in Polish ports.

          I hope you are not hinting at anything either? wink
          1. +12
            28 September 2022 08: 07
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            I hope you are not hinting at anything either?

            God forbid!!! It's just that recently, with safety precautions during loading and unloading and transport and storage operations, it has become not comme il faut. Either they smoke in the wrong places, or they won’t remove the static charge, or they let an unidentified drone pass, or even sea mines are poorly tied to anchors. In Beirut, saltpeter was overheated in the sun.
            And he is such an LNG, he will not miss his chance.
          2. +3
            29 September 2022 21: 18
            I am a cheerful worker
            I am a simple Beirut welder!
            I work in a warehouse
            With confiscated saltpeter.
            I cook a heavy channel
            To the metal gates -
            The electrode sparks fervently,
            Sparks are pouring into the villages ...
        2. +1
          28 September 2022 11: 50
          In the future, the struggle for the western regions of the outskirts, in which Poland will take an active part. And Putin warned that the intervention of any country in the NWO would open a new and hitherto unseen page in its history. Here is a great legitimate opportunity to correct democratic gas flows. In general, Europe has got!
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 11: 19
            Quote: parathyron
            In general, Europe has got!

            The main thing is that we do not miss.
      4. +2
        28 September 2022 16: 55
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: shinobi
        Beneficiary? Well, you understand ...

        So, not so long ago, I thought that it’s not good to drive gas to Europe. But now I'm not sure about it. Germany will die without gas, and Poland will come to the fore in the form of no longer a mongrel, but quite a bulldog of the USA and England. And a bulldog with a whistling flask.
        By the way, I’m not hinting at anything, but gas carriers are even more vulnerable to natural fires and even explosions.

        American gas carriers are highly explosive. They can explode by themselves no worse than an air conditioner. am
  5. +17
    28 September 2022 04: 16
    what will Russia do? Nothing will happen. Now the main thing is composure and observation

    Liquefied gas will be supplied at market prices to Europe... and the pipeline will go to Asia.
    Europe is now in a complete ass ... the Turks and Americans are rubbing their hands happily ... the Germans will be forced to capitulate to them.
    Sweden is surprising, not noticing American saboteurs in its waters ... before that, in every herring, they imagined Russian submarines, and then such diarrhea.
    Our country loses little in this situation... the gas is still ours and we have a reason to accuse the Anglo-Saxons and Poles of terrorism in the UN... we must press this pedal all the way... let it whistle in the ears of Gutteres from morning to evening .
    Referendums in the liberated regions of Ukraine gave rise to an explosive wave around the world ... cool ... the Americans decided on extreme means of war against us and the whole world.
    1. +12
      28 September 2022 05: 33
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Surprised by Sweden, which did not notice American saboteurs in its waters

      Surprise people who are surprised by something else)
      Even people who are ignorant of politics already know that today's Europe is a puppet theater, whose owner Karabas-Barabas is far beyond the ocean. Each puppet country knows its role in this performance. In Europe, there are no strong and independent countries for a long time, there are no strong and independent leaders, all will, economy and politics are subordinated to the United States. From time to time, such leaders appear, but under pressure from the United States through their neighbors in Europe, they quickly realize that "well, that's enough, you've earned your worth, you can take a break.")
      Already something, and Karabas has more than enough levers of pressure on the recalcitrant. Especially for such small and weak (but proud)) Scandinavian countries.
      Therefore, a narrow circle of people in European countries absolutely knows everything for sure, and even more - they do everything that the owner says, even to the detriment of their country. And to close your eyes to the "trifle" - just spit.
    2. -1
      28 September 2022 10: 10
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      what will Russia do? Nothing will happen. Now the main thing is composure and observation

      Liquefied gas will be supplied at market prices to Europe... and the pipeline will go to Asia.
      Europe is now in a complete ass ... the Turks and Americans are rubbing their hands happily ... the Germans will be forced to capitulate to them.
      Sweden is surprising, not noticing American saboteurs in its waters ... before that, in every herring, they imagined Russian submarines, and then such diarrhea.
      Our country loses little in this situation... the gas is still ours and we have a reason to accuse the Anglo-Saxons and Poles of terrorism in the UN... we must press this pedal all the way... let it whistle in the ears of Gutteres from morning to evening .
      Referendums in the liberated regions of Ukraine gave rise to an explosive wave around the world ... cool ... the Americans decided on extreme means of war against us and the whole world.

      Gas goes to Asia, that is, to China, at a fixed price. There is no talk of any 2000 euros. 300 bucks is a land. To Turkey, by the way, too, it is not a member of the EU and has not signed European gas protocols.
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 10: 41
        The pipe to the EU is also not $ 2000 ....
    3. RGB
      +1
      28 September 2022 12: 40
      What UN?! Who to blame?! What are you talking about?))) The UN as an organization has become obsolete.
    4. +2
      28 September 2022 14: 05
      No, the Germans will not surrender, the Germans, along with other European protesters, will be sent to fight with us. The main thing is to collect the dissatisfied crowd, and to direct it is a matter of technology. And do not rely on the mind of Europeans. You have been observing the manipulations of the mass consciousness of Europe for 7 months already. There is nothing good about what happened. Instead of puffy slogans in the comments, put on armor (if enough) and with a machine gun in the second wave of mobilization. We were raped, like Europe. Now we are being pushed head-on and we should not rejoice.
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 15: 35
        Quote: Beregovyhok_1
        You have been observing the manipulations of the mass consciousness of Europe for 7 months already.
        Who else, but I watched them back in the early 90s. Softly, not directly, but showing only the negative about the people, drunk and impoverished, about Zhirinovsky, eager to gouge them with an atomic bomb, and presenting the figures of enterprising oligarchs in a neutral-positive manner. What he publicly announced to them. After that, I was struck out of the grant programs, but it is unlikely that anything has changed for the better. Except perhaps under Schröder in Germany, although I don't think the chancellor has much influence on the media.
    5. 0
      28 September 2022 22: 14
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      the gas is still ours and we have a reason to accuse the Anglo-Saxons and Poles of terrorism in the UN ...

      As stated in the article, "The police even gave this event a name - "gross sabotage"".
      "Sabotage" is not fulfilling your contracts. That is, the culprit in these events has already been identified - this is Russia.
  6. +18
    28 September 2022 04: 26
    And the sabotage was prudently committed in European waters, so that Russian repairmen could not under any circumstances get to the point of explosion. Neither for repair, nor for studying the circumstances of what happened.

    It does not fit with some mythical penalties (firstly). I don't think there are any options for such cases.
    *****
    The Ukrainian GTS must be closed. Not a single cubic meter of gas to Ukraine. Died. so died.
    The results of the investigation can be awaited. and then check how the condition of the underwater tunnel across the English Channel is (for example) ... Or the condition of the transatlantic cables from the USA to Europe ...
    In any case, Russia should stop cooperating with the US and Smelly Britain.
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 16: 59
      Quote: yuriy55
      And the sabotage was prudently committed in European waters, so that Russian repairmen could not under any circumstances get to the point of explosion. Neither for repair, nor for studying the circumstances of what happened.

      It does not fit with some mythical penalties (firstly). I don't think there are any options for such cases.
      *****
      The Ukrainian GTS must be closed. Not a single cubic meter of gas to Ukraine. Died. so died.
      The results of the investigation can be awaited. and then check how the condition of the underwater tunnel across the English Channel is (for example) ... Or the condition of the transatlantic cables from the USA to Europe ...
      In any case, Russia should stop cooperating with the US and Smelly Britain.

      The Channel Tunnel could explode at any moment. am I can imagine what kind of fountains will be at its exits. fellow
  7. +22
    28 September 2022 04: 27
    "Sabotage on the Nord Stream" -

    ***
    And without turning
           heads of heads
    and feelings
         no
              without knowing
    blew up
       "North Stream"
             in the Danish zone
    near by
         "neutral"
             Swedes ...
    ***
    1. +9
      28 September 2022 07: 30
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      And without turning
             heads of heads
      and feelings
           no
                without knowing
      blew up
         "North Stream"
               in the Danish zone
      near by
           "neutral"
               Swedes ...
      ***

      And here,
      like a razor slash
      according to the testicles, Mr.
      This is the iron hand of Gazprom
      closed
      transit through Ukraine
      1. +3
        28 September 2022 07: 52
        From the path of legality is impossible
        Neither right nor left
        Who is leading the fight now?
        King or queen?
        1. +10
          28 September 2022 08: 28
          Quote: mongol9999
          Who is leading the fight now?
          King or queen?

          Unpredictable monarchs way
          Half the world will follow Charles III
          But it's worth a razor wave once
          And he is already Elizabeth
        2. +5
          28 September 2022 10: 44
          Mais il peut être dit:
          devant les attentats qui ont détruit NS 1 et NS 2 par précaution, afin d'éviter une catastrophe le gazoduc traversant l'ukraine va être purger en attendant les résultats d'une enquête sur les NS1 et NS2 ...

          But you can also say this:
          in connection with the terrorist attacks that destroyed NS 1 and NS 2, as a precautionary measure to avoid a catastrophe, the gas pipeline passing through Ukraine will be purged pending the results of the investigation on NS1 and NS2 ...
      2. +5
        28 September 2022 07: 59
        Well, Elk...!! laughing Hey Elk!! laughing good drinks Moose Mayakovsky!
  8. +1
    28 September 2022 05: 03
    The Americans had the opportunity to carry out sabotage, their nuclear submarines are equipped with special compartments for underwater vehicles and locks for divers to exit, Russia does not have the technical ability to carry out such sabotage.
    1. +14
      28 September 2022 05: 29
      In Britain, two divers were awarded for especially dangerous assignments abroad ... in addition, the Americans gave the British equipment for underwater work at great depths.
      So the two brothers of the acrobat burned unambiguously ... the investigation will show, maybe one of them put the explosives on the pipe, and who pressed the button.
      The Anglo-Saxons now will not be able to avert suspicions of committing terrorist attacks like September 11 in the USA ... the crooks are crazy.
      1. +2
        28 September 2022 10: 47
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        In Britain, two divers were awarded for especially dangerous assignments abroad ... in addition, the Americans gave the British equipment for underwater work at great depths.
        So the two brothers of the acrobat burned unambiguously ... the investigation will show, maybe one of them put the explosives on the pipe, and who pressed the button.
        The Anglo-Saxons now will not be able to avert suspicions of committing terrorist attacks like September 11 in the USA ... the crooks are crazy.

        They say that there, in the area where the pipes were blown up, NATO drones and helicopters from the UDC "Kearsarge" of the US Navy, which has been in the Baltic since August, were hanging out just the other day. Coincidence? I don't think. Here is an interesting picture from Kassada
      2. RGB
        +1
        28 September 2022 12: 45
        What kind of investigation?!))) What will show? I just laugh at your naivete!
    2. +2
      28 September 2022 07: 46
      The Poles receive the greatest benefit, Russian gas through the pipeline, LNG was built and launched, the pipeline from Norway was launched and they themselves wrote more than once that all their gas storage facilities were 100% full.
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 07: 54
        What Russian gas??? We will have Yamal under repair of turbines until the next hot summer. So let them skin themselves and gas into the pipe ...
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 10: 58
          Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          What Russian gas??? We will have Yamal under repair of turbines until the next hot summer. So let them skin themselves and gas into the pipe ...

          Alas, we do not have turbines in Yamal - Yamal LNG and liquefied gas can be bought by anyone through the same exchanges through a "gasket company" simply by outbid. The same mattresses will outbid our LNG and, having greatly reduced the delivery shoulder, they will sell it to the Poles, but already as their American one. Faith in "democracy" does not allow the Poles to buy from us directly, the hand of which firmly holds them by the Adam's apple. The pipe, in terms of the end user, is easier to control than LNG. hi
    3. +5
      28 September 2022 08: 42
      Quote: realist
      The Americans had the opportunity to carry out sabotage, their nuclear submarines are equipped with special compartments for underwater vehicles and locks for divers to exit

      Where did you see the American nuclear submarine in the Baltic. But the states tested underwater drones near Bornholm in June this year.
      And we all saw such "drones" a few days ago thrown off the coast of Sevastopol. Is this a coincidence, or have cheburashkas wound up?
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 09: 06
        A drone is also a submarine, only without a crew, it’s to blame, I didn’t look at the depth in the pipe area
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 09: 07
          Quote: realist
          A drone is also a submarine, only without a crew, it’s to blame, I didn’t look at the depth in the pipe area

          50 - 70 meters.
          1. -1
            28 September 2022 09: 11
            Of course, not every submarine will be able to work underwater at such a depth.
            1. +3
              28 September 2022 09: 16
              Quote: realist
              Of course, not every submarine will be able to work underwater at such a depth.

              It’s hard not to notice a submarine, and a drone can be launched from a landing ship (by the way, there was such a US ship), and the exercises were held there in early September. The ears stick out.
              1. 0
                28 September 2022 10: 47
                I agree, this is the work of saboteurs, it remains to understand which
                1. 0
                  28 September 2022 17: 07
                  Quote: realist
                  I agree, this is the work of saboteurs, it remains to understand which

                  Yeah, Putin put the bomb in amphoras, dived with scuba gear and taped it to the pipes with tape. fool The United States, Great Britain, Poland are primarily to blame for the terrorist attack on Russian gas pipelines, and Denmark and Sweden are secondarily to blame. You don't even have to be Wang here. This is a no-brainer. Russian hedgehog. It is not clear to Europeans, because they are stupid fascists.
                  1. 0
                    28 September 2022 17: 29
                    Yes, I didn’t even think about Putin, he seems to be in sight all the time
          2. +4
            28 September 2022 09: 45
            Why produce versions ahead of time? Moreover, about submarines, deep-sea vehicles and so on?
            Such sabotage can simply be done with the help of conventional depth charges. Which everyone has. And no super-tech is needed. Any of the fleets and special services, and even abnormal "activists", green, pro-Ukrainian, Polish, Scandinavian, etc., can organize such a thing.
            Not a single government would openly do this, which means that the secret services under the guise of some kind of "non-governmental organizations" who do not like the fact that cows fart a lot, which causes global warming. Maybe they will even be caught and convicted ... for a year of probation
            1. -1
              28 September 2022 10: 49
              A depth bomb will leave evidence at the site of the explosion, it will be possible to determine the type and who is armed, this is practically the signature of the artist, I admit that there are stupid people in the West, but not the same.
              1. 0
                28 September 2022 11: 54
                J'ai lu que le gazétait à 250 atm dans les gazoduc, donc au début le gaz est sorti à cette pression...
              2. +1
                28 September 2022 11: 58
                Yes, what are you? What evidence? Peck this goodness in the world. Both Soviet and American. All these traces and remnants will not prove anything to anyone.
                Most likely they will find some next Rainbow Warrior and hang everything on them. They will say they threw several barrels of explosives onto the pipeline. And that's all.
                By the way, they can actually do this. The same Americans themselves do not need to do anything themselves, it is enough to give a signal to the half-crazy fighters for the rights of seals that "now it is possible." Profit
                1. 0
                  28 September 2022 16: 41
                  Quote: El Barto
                  half-mad fighters for the rights of seals that "now it is possible." Profit

                  In general, it is logical, but this is unlikely. The damage now will be so strong to nature. It’s easier to give the go-ahead to the half-mad and repulsed by Russophobia Poles, or even do it yourself, and put the Poles forward. Nobody cares about them anyway
              3. 0
                28 September 2022 23: 18
                A depth charge will leave evidence at the site of the explosion, it will be possible to determine the type and who is armed
                And it turns out that she is Ukrainian. What's next?
    4. +2
      28 September 2022 10: 44
      Divers and through the torpedo tubes easily exit.
    5. -1
      28 September 2022 11: 08
      Quote: realist
      The Americans had the opportunity to carry out sabotage, their nuclear submarines are equipped with special compartments for underwater vehicles and locks for divers to exit, Russia does not have the technical ability to carry out such sabotage.

      Yes, what submarines and AUVs!? Any Uganda could carry out such a diversion.
      What you need is a boat with a good echo sounder for scanning the bottom topography and charges, even for 100 kg, like those that the Germans used to blow up caponiers on Eben-Emal, plus a simple fuse with a clockwork. Installation of charges using a boat winch. Even scuba divers are not particularly needed, although the depths are available to them.
      The Ukrainians could well do it.
      1. 0
        28 September 2022 16: 52
        Quote: Adrey
        Such diversion any Uganda

        And what is so modest. Blame the Samolian pirates right away. They are all nearby, within the reach of boats. And the Ukrainians are there, ukrorusals .....
        That is, England and the United States have underwater drones, underwater saboteurs, a US Navy ship was there recently, and UK itself is not far away, after all, Poland is close. But you will be here about Uganda and Ukraine .....
    6. 0
      28 September 2022 14: 10
      Russia does not have the technical ability to carry out such sabotage.

      Garbage write there a depth of several tens of meters. The pipeline route is known with an accuracy of 10 meters. If you want even more precisely, I can present you an underwater camera. And there, there are no competencies at all to drop explosives from a boat with a timer.
  9. 0
    28 September 2022 05: 05
    It is necessary to heat gas carriers with liquefied gas from the United States
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 05: 31
      Bad idea... gas could be reversed from Russia
      1. +2
        28 September 2022 07: 55
        Not scary. We've already been paid for it. Well, the second. Our intelligence has already learned to smell the molecules of free gas from the total gas. ;-)
    2. KCA
      +5
      28 September 2022 05: 51
      The point here is that the United States has no gas at all, all gas belongs to private companies and they will drive it to where it is more expensive, while it is more expensive in Southeast Asia
  10. +2
    28 September 2022 05: 06
    I do not undertake to blame anyone specifically, let's hope that the investigation will sort it out. But here it is necessary to start a criminal case, and clearly under the article "terrorism".
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 08: 49
      Quote: Nagan
      I do not undertake to blame anyone specifically, let's hope that the investigation will sort it out.

      Oh, I don’t believe it, the West will sabotage everything.
    2. 0
      28 September 2022 12: 22
      And it will be like a criminal case against Yatsenyuk.
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 17: 10
        Quote: Kronos
        And it will be like a criminal case against Yatsenyuk.

        No need to distort the name of Yaytsenyukh. stop
  11. +13
    28 September 2022 05: 16
    It is necessary to leave Europe and, in general, to change the economic policy. The Russian economy should have as a priority the goal of meeting the needs of the Russian people, and not the exchange of irreplaceable resources for candy wrappers.
  12. +7
    28 September 2022 05: 47
    This attack on the pipeline smells of the UK. Underwater drones could accomplish without any effort.
  13. +2
    28 September 2022 05: 48
    Explosions were not carried out in territorial waters. So we have no problems approaching gas outlets, even accompanied by the BF. The joke is that we need to supply gas to them so that the pipelines do not flood. to flood it without turbines. To save it, it is necessary to supply gas, we say nothing. And then, for salvation, gas will go, the scandal will be universal. In SP 1, we can pump at a loss to ourselves. The BF and the controlling ships should already be at the points of undermining today. They must prove their innocence by force of arms, they don’t understand anything else. .Who was talking about unacceptable damage? The people have made their choice, we do not want to be whipping boys. This is the only way we will win.
    1. +7
      28 September 2022 07: 58
      There is no need to upload anything and save anywhere. Let the Europeans save their ass now. They now have a great opportunity and an urgent need to build a new SP-1 Two and SP-2 Three! Good luck and have a warm winter!!!
      1. -6
        28 September 2022 08: 38
        They will survive this winter, the storages are full (((
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 09: 10
          storage from the strength of only 20% of the required
          1. -2
            28 September 2022 11: 16
            We'll wait and see, we'll live, we'll find out, but we'll survive, we'll take into account)
        2. +3
          28 September 2022 10: 35
          Primitive people also experienced harsh winters, but the Europeans forgot how to do it. And then, oddly enough, gas in the summer, too, as needed.
          The Germans, if they are not stupid and shniks, must understand that in this situation they were priced cheaper than a used condom! By the way, before that, the Gehennas of Europe boldly demanded trillions from them and today they intend to become a new gas hub instead of Germany ... in short, they have them in their eyes!
          Look ahead and eat popcorn!
          1. 0
            28 September 2022 11: 18
            Eating popcorn we will soon be all in the trenches.
            1. +4
              28 September 2022 11: 53
              Perhaps we will, but this does not contradict what I said.
              Instead of prospering and successfully coexisting, some will first freeze in apartments, and then in the trenches. Both will become possible because of the spinelessness of some and arrogance mixed with impunity, others!
              1. +2
                28 September 2022 17: 14
                Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                Perhaps we will, but this does not contradict what I said.
                Instead of prospering and successfully coexisting, some will first freeze in apartments, and then in the trenches. Both will become possible because of the spinelessness of some and arrogance mixed with impunity, others!

                I don't like frost after service in Siberia. Maybe it's better to bang right away? am
                1. +2
                  28 September 2022 21: 09
                  I don’t want to, to be honest, but I don’t exclude MegaBabakh ......
          2. 0
            28 September 2022 17: 11
            Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
            Gehennas of Europe, boldly demanded trillions from them and today they intend to become a new gas hub

            Do not make Poland laugh, she is already funny ....
            What a hub, the Norwegians with grief in half generally drive gas to the EU, and then Poland sat down on the same pipeline that led to Germany. Do you think if at least Germany had enough of this gas, they would buy Russian gas. So a hub from Poland, with all the desire, will not work. And about LNG, too, no need ...... laughing
            1. +2
              28 September 2022 21: 13
              I completely agree with you, my general! Right now they will pump us through the pipe, and then the kirdyk will come to her. The cries of Europeans who do not get gas will be carried throughout Europe lol lol
    2. +1
      28 September 2022 08: 25
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The joke is that in order not to flood the pipelines, we need to supply gas to them. SP 1 is not operational due to turbines, but it should be flooded without turbines.

      Simply put, Nord Stream 1 has ceased to exist, and it will take years and billions of euros to restore it.
      1. +3
        28 September 2022 09: 10
        if Germany needs it, then let it restore
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 09: 18
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          if Germany needs it, then let it restore

          It is doubtful, and who will allow. To do this, you need to have "iron eggs", and Scholz and his comrades have them, they are wooden.
          1. +2
            28 September 2022 17: 16
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            if Germany needs it, then let it restore

            It is doubtful, and who will allow. To do this, you need to have "iron eggs", and Scholz and his comrades have them, they are wooden.

            Who told you that the Gruppenfuehrer has balls? Tolerast eggs are useless.
      2. DO
        0
        28 September 2022 17: 17
        Nord Stream 1 has ceased to exist, and it will take years and billions of euros to restore it.

        Let me edit:
        Nord Stream 1 ceased to exist
        Point.
    3. +3
      28 September 2022 10: 13
      Most likely, there is no need to pump gas, since the pressures of water and gas will soon become equal inside the pipeline. Water cannot fill it. It's like an airlock in a heating system.
      1. +3
        28 September 2022 13: 18
        They blew up a shallow area, which means that everything that is deeper than 50 meters will be filled with water.
    4. 0
      28 September 2022 17: 12
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Explosions were not carried out in territorial waters. So we have no problems approaching gas outlets, even accompanied by the BF. The joke is that we need to supply gas to them so that the pipelines do not flood. to flood it without turbines. To save it, it is necessary to supply gas, we say nothing. And then, for salvation, gas will go, the scandal will be universal. In SP 1, we can pump at a loss to ourselves. The BF and the controlling ships should already be at the points of undermining today. They must prove their innocence by force of arms, they don’t understand anything else. .Who was talking about unacceptable damage? The people have made their choice, we do not want to be whipping boys. This is the only way we will win.

      Can the hydrocarbon gas in the pipe be replaced with air so that the pipeline does not flood?
    5. 0
      28 September 2022 20: 47
      Quote: tralflot1832
      You must prove your innocence by force of arms, another
      they don’t understand. Concerns will no longer be rolled over, it’s already necessary to answer with a fist
      impudent NATO mug. Did someone talk about unacceptable damage?
      Who calculated the damage? Let's say both damaged gas pipelines cost 20 billion euros. SP-2 alone involves 670 companies from 25 countries. Gazprom's 5 European partner companies in SP-2 bore almost all the costs. What should be done with a fist in this case? Isn't it too early to wave a saber for someone's lost profits. It may be cheaper to flood gas pipelines, not waste gas, and better prepare for a direct war with NATO, without any proxy shmoxy.
      Are you sure that some international court today can justify the Russian Federation, provide them with the most compelling evidence? The life of Europeans is being made unbearable. I don’t know if this process should be accelerated, they are already doing a good job. Europe has been filled with migrants capable of fighting and, under fear of a lethal collapse, is confidently set on the old path of onslaught to the East. Do you want to prove something to the UN? Please, but without prejudice to the main political process that is unfolding today on other platforms, and, most importantly, without losing the combat capability of our Armed Forces before the general battle for a new world order. As long as there is a right of veto, we must use it without worrying about expensive evidence.
  14. +9
    28 September 2022 06: 02
    "Under the current conditions, the Germans are obliged to buy up to 40 billion cubic meters of Russian gas annually until 2030. Now this condition is taking on a special flavor." - the author is unaware of the fact that since the end of August SP1 has been stopped, and in all likelihood for a long time. What are the conditions and obligations of the parties in this regard? In fact, the execution of the contract was stopped for technical reasons, and this is provided for in the contract as "force majeure (force majeure)". As for sabotage, its consequences are not very beneficial for Germany, the United States is very beneficial, and 50/50 for Russia (the ratio of political and economic interests).
    1. +3
      28 September 2022 07: 45
      Quote: Vladimirsky
      the author is unaware of the fact that since the end of August SP1 has been stopped, and in all likelihood for a long time.

      And it is not clear why the author spoke about an ecological catastrophe and about losses of 2 billion ?!
  15. -3
    28 September 2022 06: 18
    Dear Evgeny, if you don't speak Russian well, please give someone your texts for proofreading. It is clear that the urgency, but still.
  16. +1
    28 September 2022 06: 28
    The authorities of the Russian Federation, in the near future, should give an answer to the results of the referenda. With this explosion, the Americans put pressure on the elite of the Russian Federation. It is difficult to say who will win in the quarrel between the "gas workers" and the "patriots". Previously, Gazprom's interests were sacred.
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 16: 50
      They are not so sacred that the Kremlin would not recognize the referenda. Moscow's failure to recognize referendums automatically buries both the state fool and the government, and the supreme one too.
  17. +2
    28 September 2022 06: 31
    If Europe does not want gas, then so be it. The budget, based on the national currency, should not suffer. We have a lot of Western candy wrappers, but the problem is how to turn them into a useful business. Otherwise, this currency will again end up in the pockets of the West. There is only one way out - to strengthen your economy and the ruble. Dollars and euros should be applicable only in a foreign bank. If someone thinks that everything will resolve itself, then these are vain hopes.
  18. +4
    28 September 2022 07: 16
    Well then. So the United States can, and we chew snot and play pre-property. Or forced to play, which is even sadder. So far, the states are winning the war outright.
  19. +1
    28 September 2022 07: 17
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    what will Russia do? Nothing will happen. Now the main thing is composure and observation
    Sweden is surprised that it did not notice American saboteurs in its waters ..

    Yes, Europe lies under Uncle Sam, spreading her genitals from the English Channel to the Italian boot. Who will notice there?
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 21: 06
      Quote: Jager
      Yes, Europe lies under Uncle Sam, spreading her genitals from the English Channel to the Italian boot
      And what part of the CE-European body is before us? Either the head is in the pan, or the priest is on the pot, I can’t make out. It looks less like a head, more bad.
  20. -1
    28 September 2022 07: 30
    If we play this event as a chess game, then until the end of the investigation, identifying the perpetrators and punishing them, a special, international (countries involved in the incident - Russia, Germany, Denmark) commission, headed by Novak, close transit through Ukraine, leave the Turkish stream - SHAH ! We look further at the convulsions of Europe and threaten MATOM (turning off the Turkish stream)! ... But, unfortunately, our cowardly and too dependent on the West leaders do not dare to do so?!
  21. -2
    28 September 2022 07: 35
    Biden not so long ago, veiledly, threatened to stop Nord Stream by any means. The US is in agony trying to save its dollar with a colossal external debt! They will never repay this debt under any circumstances and conditions! Does the West really not see this, against whom is it?! It even crossed my mind that maybe ours arranged it? Yes, let it be so! It's time to "treat" Europe from frenzied Russophobia, and poke their faces into the dirt! In the West, they went mad because of the decline in their standard of living, in which they "ate deliciously and slept sweetly" at the expense of the rest of the world.
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 14: 16
      Write off inflation. No one indexes the amount of debt. 10% inflation - write off unsecured candy wrappers for 2 trillion
  22. +1
    28 September 2022 07: 45
    Why shouldn't we wage an information war the way the Anglo-Saxons do? To announce to the whole world that Britain is behind the blowing up of the branches, that we have evidence, but of course we will not show them, they are secret. To tell the whole world that the Anglo-Saxons are bringing down the European Union - first Britain left, now they blew up gas pipelines, to convey to the population of Europe that they were patient ....
    1. +5
      28 September 2022 07: 55
      In the information war, firstly, you need to be able, and, secondly, to have eggs.
      1. +3
        28 September 2022 08: 02
        I agree, you need to be able to wage an information war, well, it's time to learn this already ... though Solovyov cannot be entrusted with this
  23. +2
    28 September 2022 07: 47
    We have never been so close to a full-scale war
  24. -1
    28 September 2022 07: 53
    Just do not soar this sabotage. Stop selling gas to Europe altogether. Our supreme leader is only concerned about the increase in the speed of the sale of oil and gas - so that more and more money comes in, and all of it is sent to the National Security Fund and abroad, where they are stupidly slammed. Enough. Maybe then our grandchildren will have something left.
  25. +3
    28 September 2022 07: 54
    The cunning chess player of the Commander-in-Chief with his referendums was easily turned on the penis by respected partners.)) The meeting of the Duma is already on October 4, instead of the announced 28th, and it’s not a fact that the regions will accept. It was to cover up this disgrace back in 2014 ..
    1. -2
      28 September 2022 08: 23
      Even when they started building SP-1, they talked about such a possibility, and offered to supply gas to Europe by gas carrier ships. But the friends of the "zeroed" won, the owners of metallurgical plants and those who manufacture pipes. After all, Furgal is sitting, which Azovstal refused to give to the Rottenbergs, humanly. Here we need to remember that they dragged us into the WTO in order to have preferences in the sale of metal.
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      2. 0
        28 September 2022 17: 38
        Quote: fiberboard
        Here we need to remember that they dragged us into the WTO in order to have preferences in the sale of metal.

        To put it mildly, on the contrary. US duties on our metal were many times higher before the WTO
        Quote: fiberboard
        After all, Furgal is sitting, which Azovstal refused to give to the Rottenbergs, humanly.
        what does Furgal have to do with Azovstal ???
        1. -1
          28 September 2022 17: 58
          Well, so that the duties were lower, they dragged them. And now we have climbed with this WTO. However, even without the WTO, we didn’t want to climb the most. Furgal had a 50% stake in Azovstal. And I didn’t want to give them away, for good, to respected people, the Rottenberg brothers. For which he paid. The article was online.
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 06: 01
            Quote: fiberboard
            Furgal had a 50% stake in Azovstal. And I didn’t want to give them away, for good, to respected people, the Rottenberg brothers. For which he paid. The article was online.

            You looked at the Ukrainian registers - who owns Azovstal?
            And Furgal..
            From my experience - anyone who traded timber and metal with China in the 90s - can be safely closed for 10 years. There were 200% smuggling, bribes, tax evasion and murders. These were absolutely criminal types of business
            1. 0
              29 September 2022 06: 19
              So in our country, any of the large entrepreneurs who earned capital in the 90s can be sued. This is already known to everyone.
              1. 0
                29 September 2022 06: 27
                Quote: fiberboard
                So in our country, any of the large entrepreneurs who earned capital in the 90s can be sued. This is already known to everyone.

                У any there may be different options. Raidering is practically not criminally punishable
                But specifically, trade with China in timber and metal could not technically do without crime

                I deeply doubt that in Ukraine after 2014, so that half of the giant of metallurgy, and so that the chantrapé is not even from the third row of the Russian rich, and so that the Ukrainians do not redistribute ....

                I do not believe...
                1. 0
                  29 September 2022 14: 36
                  Ugh, you, yes I wrote incorrectly-Amurstal!
  26. +1
    28 September 2022 07: 55
    As a result, Ukraine not only gets the trumps of gas transit in its hands, but also another reason to blame Russia.
    And Russia will continue to pay for transit to Ukraine, and Ukraine will continue to purchase weapons with this money.
  27. 0
    28 September 2022 08: 00
    "Look for someone who benefits," say the detectives. Here, in my opinion, the beneficiaries are all there ((
  28. +4
    28 September 2022 08: 33
    Russia will do nothing. The main thing is composure and observation. Wonderful! I remember that a certain Ivanov also stated that they sat in the bushes and watched Serdyukov's abuses, so that later they could take him in his underwear from his mistress. Well, well, watch, see how it ends, don't start yet. Until the next explosion suits you.
    1. +3
      28 September 2022 09: 11
      Russia will do nothing.
      Why? It will increase deliveries for Western partners, unfriendly countries through Ukraine. An increase in the volume of deliveries, an increase in payment for transit, contracts must be executed, now the Ukrainian part of the pipe, both sides will cherish as "the apple of the eye." smile
  29. -8
    28 September 2022 08: 37
    The topic is speculative. If technical regulations are violated, there may be pressure surges, and if pipes or welds are made in a blunder, then this picture may well be without any sabotage.

    On the other hand, any American submarine can approach unnoticed, and with the help of NPA, damage the pipes or attach explosives to them. Another thing is that, IMHO, it is quite easy to identify by the nature of the damage, whether it was done artificially, or happened for purely technical internal reasons.
    1. +8
      28 September 2022 08: 48
      KAneshno welds burst in three different places at the same time.
      1. -10
        28 September 2022 08: 57
        Simultaneity, firstly, no one has documented, and secondly, the concept is relative. Well, yes, if a batch of pipes is defective, then with a pressure surge, they can be in several places at the same time.

        But the point is not in this, but in the speculative nature of the topic. It will not be possible to find the culprits for purely technical reasons. But all parties will appoint them.
    2. 0
      28 September 2022 10: 51
      there may be pressure surges, and if pipes or welds are made in a blunder, then there may well be such a picture without any sabotage.

      and the Swedes have already stated that they recorded two explosions of 100 kg of TNT. That is sabotage for sure.
      1. -2
        28 September 2022 13: 03
        Until the investigation is completed, nothing is certain.
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 15: 22
          after Western investigations, everything becomes vague to the point of disgrace. The magate investigated who was shooting at the ZNPP, so nothing concrete was written as a result.
          And here, even without investigation, it is clear that the seams in TNT equivalent do not burst.
  30. 0
    28 September 2022 08: 43
    Revenge must be cold.... There is no need to rush.
  31. +4
    28 September 2022 08: 49
    To be honest, even the invasion of Ukraine does not change international relations as much as the destruction of the pipeline. Because I don’t remember a precedent even during the most terrible cold war.
  32. +4
    28 September 2022 08: 52
    "Partners" raise the stakes in the confrontation, but we ourselves are to blame for this, constantly transferring the "red lines". Further it will only get worse. If quite recently it was enough to shoot down an AWACS plane of "partners" who cut books near the Crimea. Now, I don't know what to do anymore.
  33. +1
    28 September 2022 08: 54
    The beneficiaries of this sabotage are also pshpshpsheki! There was recently an article on VO about an "accidental" explosion near the base of the Polish Navy, but I think that such an explosion should occur at the LNG unloading point near the Psheks, and at the same time near the Balts!
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 09: 14
      Quite right! First, gouge the Baltic pipe, then Pshekia's LNG terminals.
  34. +3
    28 September 2022 09: 12
    I don't understand at all what's going on? The Americans of the Europeans simply put cancer, and they endure and endure, and ask for more. Yes, they would have sent Amers long ago with their fighting pigs, and would have developed their industry together with Russia and the new Ukraine, as part of Poland and Russia.
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 09: 53
      The Europeans were put in cancer, but the European establishment is waving its asses of the Europeans (not its own)! Do you feel the difference?
  35. +10
    28 September 2022 09: 16
    The West has once again outplayed us. The creation of both streams provided for the disappearance of dependence on the gas transportation system of Ukraine. but no, all the time of hostilities, we obediently pump gas through Ukraine instead of immediately blocking or blowing up this gas pipeline, forcing Europe to receive gas through northern streams.
    And now it's almost impossible. P
    It seems that our leaders do not understand one thing while they are trying to stir up some cunning schemes to stir up Western countries, they act simply and unceremoniously.
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 10: 03
      There are two ways ..... these are civil communications ... built according to their rules. So it is possible to do so. And this is not just a diversion, it's like in the 90s we have - removing a competitor in the market (gas). But after all, everyone has torpedoes, but gas carriers, tankers will not be guarded ...... here, as with Kosovo and Crimea.
  36. +1
    28 September 2022 09: 21
    Bomb the trans-Atlantic Internet cables!!!! and in denial!!! I'm not me and the house is not mine!!!
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 10: 01
      This is not a very bad option. There are also SOSUSS systems ... You can hunt for the Global Hawk UAV in neutral air space ....
      But something needs to be done. What would be an understanding that doing such things is expensive.
  37. 0
    28 September 2022 09: 51
    The Poles are already directly thanking the United States for the sabotage on Potokah: https://rg.ru/2022/09/27/polskij-evrodeputat-poblagodaril-ssha-za-vzryv-gazoprovodov.html
    And this, in fact, is written by the ex-Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland. So here the "partners" are not even hiding!
  38. 0
    28 September 2022 09: 52
    Quote: Clever man
    seen everything?

    don't think((
  39. -1
    28 September 2022 09: 58
    They write that for such explosions, 100 kg of TNT is needed .......
    We need to respond to such blows. They won't let us do anything in the Baltic ....
  40. +3
    28 September 2022 10: 01
    Let's assume our reaction:
    1. Express indignation and concern.
    2. Ask to hold a meeting at the UN.
    3. Once again, let's designate the notorious "red lines".
    4. Let's increase pumping through Ukraine.
    5. Let's resume pumping Yamal-Europe through Poland.
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 14: 22
      Where is the drain from? These proposals have not yet been printed out in the administration for the darkest one !!!
  41. -2
    28 September 2022 10: 23
    Well... good news!?? Germany kirdyk will come in the winter, and Geypope as a whole !!? It is necessary to develop an offensive on the Outskirts, to free not only our lands from banner logs, but also our branches of oil / gas pipelines from their control and participation !!! We are waiting for the continuation of the actions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation .... "because We have not started yet"!??? CPR, management, General Staff, SBU, GUR ... Zelya's lair with its surroundings must be destroyed !!! ONCE AND FOREVER!!!
  42. +1
    28 September 2022 10: 30
    Judging by the fact that the information is not refuted and not specified, in early August, US warships carried out mining of three strings of gas pipelines, and on September 26-27, the United States remotely blew up gas pipelines, considering the referendum a suitable occasion for another nasty thing against everyone, both for the European Union and for Russia . This intention was known in February 2022:

    https://t.me/trueinform_ru/5798 (видео 7 февраля 2022)
    Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades... then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
    Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since... the project is in Germany's control?"
    Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
    President Biden: “If Russia invades ... then there will be no more Nord Stream 2. We will put an end to it."
    Reporter: "But how exactly are you going to do it if... the project is under German control?"
    President Biden: "I promise you, we can do it."

    Polish MEP, former Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski on September 28 on Twitter thanked the United States for the attack on Russian gas pipelines.
    https://twitter.com/VG2020D/status/1575009851092049921
    Radek Sikorski MEP @radeksikorski: Thank you, USA.
  43. 0
    28 September 2022 10: 30
    And in general, it's time to stop (for a while) the export to Europe of all raw materials, primarily hydrocarbons, agricultural products (grain), fertilizers !!! Let's see how they live without a freebie, or rather survive the winter and spring! ?? And of course the answer ... somewhere in Rzeszow at the Air Force base, Ramstein, LNG storage bases .... That will be fun ....
  44. -1
    28 September 2022 10: 33
    One thing is clear, the Germans were left no chance to fight for their own industry. Even though no one was going to launch the gas pipeline, but in emergency situations, what just happens. Just not this time. What about the investigation? Well, they will establish the presence of damage and nothing more. No one will take responsibility, and this is where the story ends. There is no need to restore it in the current conditions. It is pointless for a country that has frozen other people's assets to supply anything.
  45. 0
    28 September 2022 10: 33
    Josep Borrell: All available information indicates that the Nord Stream leaks are the result of deliberate actions.
    Whose actions, Josep?
    1. -1
      28 September 2022 12: 03
      "The stump is clear: Russia" - replies Zhopez.
  46. +1
    28 September 2022 10: 40
    colleagues from the General Staff can only be advised to be guided by the biblical rule of an eye for an eye, learn to fight from the Americans and Jews. for my part, I can only hint at the coast of the US, east, for example, where a bundle of vital cables emerges from the coast in the New York area. further Hawaii - zhipies correction stations. it will be very unpleasant.
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 12: 18
      I'm afraid to upset you, but
      associates from the General Staff
      such an "event" cannot be pulled winked
  47. -1
    28 September 2022 10: 47
    The funny thing is that it was obvious to many back in 2014 that instead of SP2, tanks, self-propelled guns, MLRS, UAVs and many other weapons should be riveted. But, our rulers and oligarchs wanted a bigger bobble for themselves, and not security and sovereignty for the country ...
  48. 0
    28 September 2022 10: 49
    "The scale of the ecological catastrophe that is now unfolding off the Danish coast is out of the question."

    What's so terrible? Isn't that oil?
  49. 0
    28 September 2022 10: 56
    There will be an investigation. It started. The culprits will be found. There are no questions here. Not tomorrow, not now. The question is what will be the answer? The damage to the Russian Federation is not small and not only financial, but also image. The damage to Germany is even greater, Germany has invested in the largest gas hub. German industry will fall into a coma. To think that the Germans will forgive the ruin of their industry is stupid. The BND will dig the ground, the Germans will not send such batmans to anyone, neither to the Americans, nor even to the Poles. They will find and check all the vessels in the Danish Strait, accidentally leaking information to the FSB. After the dieselgate in the USA, the claims of Poland, the annexation by the states of the gold reserves of Germany, the stench of the British, the Germans are very angry.
    A system of measures will be developed jointly with the FSB, not openly. Someone somewhere will close their eyes, somewhere something is leaking. That the answer will fly is clear. The answer will be tough, the Germans know how to work in this regard, just like we do. Patrushev must have already contacted the BND and the process has begun.
    The Germans should not be judged by their chancellor and foreign ministers.
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 11: 38
      The Germans will do what they are ordered from Washington. occupied country.
      And there will be no our answer, since the country's leadership sleeps softly, eats sweetly and does not bear any responsibility. And most importantly, what can it (leadership) do? Wherever you throw it, everywhere is a wedge. This is to the fact that in addition to selling its (our) resources, it can. And so it goes...
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 11: 57
        There is no wedge. This is an act of forcing Germany and France to de-industrialize. Do you think European concerns are eager to move to China or the USA? At the same time lose trillions of euros? Right now, the hell of the largest corporations is moving towards the asses of Scholz and Macron. They will flare up, how hello. No one will forgive grandmas invested in plants and factories. Corporations have their own sources of information. The KMK has already sent SMS to the Kremlin that it is not us and the French and the Germans.
  50. 0
    28 September 2022 11: 50
    Hmm, what happened, happened. Now you just need to think about how to extract the maximum useful components from this event. So that the return turned out to be very painful for those rejoicing and rejoicing from this diversion.
  51. 0
    28 September 2022 11: 53
    Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
    Quote: Bearded
    How is Khrushchev missing?

    I remind you that the end of the USSR is his undertaking.
    Further, to the best of their ability, others supported, but he launched it.


    Maybe his undertakings, I often come across this opinion. But here’s the paradox: under Brezhnev the best time was. Even if it weren’t for Gorbachev, but someone else instead of him, everything would have been fixable. Only Gorbach was doing the wrong thing.
  52. +2
    28 September 2022 11: 57
    Biden: "ce sera douloureux pour l'Europe mais je suis prêt à ce sacrifice"!!!
    C'est le début du "sacrifice" made in Biden?

    Biden: “It will be painful for Europe, but I am ready for this sacrifice”!!!
    Is this the beginning of Biden's "sacrifice"?
    1. -1
      28 September 2022 12: 24
      It's time to check what kind of sacrifice the old man is still ready for?
  53. 0
    28 September 2022 12: 08
    I wonder why I haven’t heard from Erdogan’s friend? Offering services to investigate sabotage under his leadership and in Turkey fellow
  54. -1
    28 September 2022 12: 13
    Quote: tihonmarine
    and Scholz and his comrades have wooden ones.
    you flatter comrade Berk with your perverted friends
  55. -1
    28 September 2022 12: 18
    Now I googled it and it turned out that repairing damage to an underwater pipeline is quite common. Ultimately, all Nord Streams were installed using underwater welding. So it’s giving up early on the Nord Streams.
    1. +2
      28 September 2022 13: 36
      "In the end, all Nord Streams were installed using underwater welding"
      actually, they were cooked on a special vessel, on the surface
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 11: 02
        Strands of 3 pipes were joined on the surface, and then welded to the main pipe under water. Underwater welding has been used in practice for a long time.
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  57. -2
    28 September 2022 12: 27
    The US project for the collapse of the EU, the complete severance of economic ties with Russia, the total impoverishment of Europeans, the destruction of the European economy and the flight of industrial and financial capital from the European Union overseas has entered a key stage! A very successful move! And again, like 81 years ago, at the expense of Russia. Although we must admit, despite Russia’s serious financial losses, such sabotage is also beneficial for us - it eliminates the No. 1 financial and industrial competitor in Europe - the combination of Germany and France. And Europe itself becomes completely dependent on LNG supplies from the United States. In fact, it is a double benefit for America.
    Now the question is for the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the country - how will Russia respond to sabotage against SP-1 and SP-2?!
    Change of ruling elites in the largest EU economies?
    Or a series of terrorist attacks on American LNG plants to prevent supplies to Europe?
    This is all necessary, it’s a bit small, isn’t it?! But you will definitely have to answer.
    In my opinion, Russia’s next step should be much larger - a complete collapse of the economies and finances of the USA, Great Britain and Europe! Through the collapse of the entire Western stock market, the collapse of their economies and the bankruptcy of the largest European and American companies, defaults and hyperinflation. Turning the US dollar, British pound and euro into candy wrappers!
    Down to the very foundation. To shake the whole world globally! So that in the next half century they have no chance to rise. So that all their partners and allies turn away from them for these decades. So that their financial and industrial capital, as well as suddenly impoverished leading specialists and technologies, run to us! So that, as after the collapse of the USSR, the former union republics became donors for Russia: business owners, skilled workers and specialists, low-paid personnel in construction and housing and communal services, contributed to the economic growth of the Russian economy. We need a reverse thrust effect that is adjusted in place and time!
    1. GIS
      +1
      28 September 2022 13: 49
      great!!!
      I'm completely serious.
      Down to the very foundation. To shake the whole world globally! So that in the next half century they have no chance to rise.

      I still can’t imagine HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE TO DO
  58. -1
    28 September 2022 12: 43
    They give us nightmares, but we express concern.
  59. +4
    28 September 2022 12: 44
    wassat like, oh-oh, what a surprise! And when they built it, no one seemed to imagine that it would be like this?
    1. 0
      3 October 2022 22: 14
      Yes. They didn’t expect that they would dare. Remember the motivations of analysts that they will not dare to disconnect from SWIFT, they will not dare to arrest gold and foreign currency reserves, because this will hit the West too. The reputation of the US and the dollar will suffer, etc. Nevertheless, they dared. Now gas pipelines are being torn apart almost openly. What's next? Will tankers and gas carriers be sunk? We brazenly shrug our shoulders like we don’t know who.
  60. +1
    28 September 2022 12: 59
    If it's not us, then it's a pity. And if they do, it means that we do not know how to protect underwater communications. Did they show something underwater at the exhibition? wassat
  61. +3
    28 September 2022 13: 05
    If Miller, grunting from “record prices,” had not filled Germany’s underground gas storage facilities to capacity, then there would have been no sabotage. If there had been no confiscations of Russian property, the war would have ended long ago...
  62. GIS
    0
    28 September 2022 13: 46
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    you need to press this pedal all the way... let it whistle in Gutterres’ ears from morning to evening.

    wow!, this needs to be done + spread this information all over the media, so that in a year the Europeans will remember who brought them to poverty... and rejoice for the Americans, who once again received the cream of the crop from the “war in Europe”
  63. 0
    28 September 2022 13: 47
    The thing that lies on the surface: they are trying to turn any connection between Russia and the West - trade, industrial, gas pipelines - into Russia's vulnerability. Epitaph both to the Pharisaic mantras: “Why do we need industry? Let’s sell gas (oil, timber), and then we’ll buy everything there,” and to Manilov’s beautiful-hearted “Europe - from Lisbon to Vladivostok.”
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  65. 0
    28 September 2022 14: 01
    The one-vector nature of this terror against infrastructure objects bothers me very much; our special services now have a field for activity and a reason to show their brave prowess, the main thing is that there is also political will. Otherwise, dear partners somehow began to forget that the world is big and you can’t keep track of everything, God forbid lightning strikes the LNG terminal, or an old German mine from the Second World War gets in the way of the gas carrier
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 14: 18
      The Baltic Pipe gas pipeline from Norway to Poland is crossing the course. It opened on the day of the terrorist attack.
      1. -1
        28 September 2022 15: 05
        By the way, yes, it’s possible that some scoundrel captain could damage it with the same anchor as ours
  66. 0
    28 September 2022 14: 22
    We can do sabotage anywhere. Another thing is the consequences for whom will be terrible? This is scary and unacceptable for our authorities. The US is quietly blowing up our gas pipelines. Our reaction? Outrage, demand for investigation. That is, we demand that Gopnik’s six friends investigate the crime of this Gopnik. All. We cried and complained to ourselves at the UN.
    And if we blow up an American Internet cable at the bottom of the sea, then the entire West will declare us a terrorist and there will be new sanctions and new arrests of infrastructure, accounts, etc.
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  68. 0
    28 September 2022 15: 37
    Is it possible to carry out the same sabotage on gas pipelines and power lines to Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Poland?
    Well, so that life doesn’t seem like honey to them.

    And as a response, cut the Internet cables to the USA from Britain, to Taiwan, Japan
  69. 0
    28 September 2022 15: 47
    Well, the United States entered the war directly with us. What will be the answer? And will there be one at all?
  70. DO
    0
    28 September 2022 17: 39
    It is possible that this terrorist attack on the gas pipeline to Europe, obviously organized by those who benefit most from it (the USA), will not be the last. There are other gas pipelines to Europe.
    After which we can expect accusations against Russia in the spirit of the “Skripal case”, “White Helmets” and “The Russian Federation itself is shelling the Zaporizhia NPP it occupies.”
    But further, this plot may have a development that is completely undesirable for normal people. Namely, the use of gas pipeline attacks as a provocation for a direct NATO strike on Russia.
  71. 0
    28 September 2022 19: 02
    What environmental disaster are we talking about? This is not oil! It will dissipate in the atmosphere and that’s all!
  72. 0
    28 September 2022 19: 20
    Quote: Bearded
    Quote: Andrey Moskvin
    "Prilyad" for 1224 km on two strings in foreign waters?

    What the hell is a lookout? It's time for the GOOGI to send their fish to strike back: blow up the gas pipelines running from Norway to Europe. Blow up the Ukrainian GTS, shift the responsibility to Ukrovermacht. And what is the state of the turbines on the Turkish Stream? Isn't it time to do it? Western fascists don't stop raising the stakes. How much Khrushch is missing with his shoes in the UN and the Tsar Bomba. If only some charismatic inadequate was appointed Minister of Defense, from which the West's knees will tremble.
    Our concerns are the problems of our concerns.

    I just want to sign up for every proposal. The Anglo-Saxons who rule the rabid Poland and Ukraine do not see the edges at all!!!
  73. 0
    28 September 2022 19: 23
    Quote: Visher
    There is no wedge. This is an act of forcing Germany and France to de-industrialize. Do you think European concerns are eager to move to China or the USA? At the same time lose trillions of euros? Right now, the hell of the largest corporations is moving towards the asses of Scholz and Macron. They will flare up, how hello. No one will forgive grandmas invested in plants and factories. Corporations have their own sources of information. The KMK has already sent SMS to the Kremlin that it is not us and the French and the Germans.

    European corporations, of course, are not eager to move to the USA and lose a lot of money. Moreover, they got a good haircut during the pandemic and the withdrawal of business from Russia (they also lost a shitload of money there)
  74. 0
    28 September 2022 20: 38

    Secondly, an acute gas crisis due to the failure of an important transport stream will cause another wave of industrial flight from Germany to the USA. At least sixty German companies intend to settle in Okahoma alone. The Germans are rapidly deindustrializing to the applause of American elites. Undermining the Nord Streams will give this vector even greater impetus.

    Come on. Why, we, a country that survived the Second World War, will not survive this war? We can, if we make a number of important decisions... . Only other people should accept them. Not the ones with a sweet smile, puffy cheeks, and other attributes of television reports. And serious, adult people who have seen everything, fought, who will demolish these freaks, who will restore the country, and will send Abramovich to Lefortovo first of all! Following those who protected him! So all is not lost yet. sad
    The cameras are already waiting there!
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      3 October 2022 22: 02
      We don't have that many human reserves. And also see what remains of the military industry.
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      3 October 2022 22: 00
      And who will decide on this? Don't you understand what's going on? Obvious actions are delayed until the last minute.
  76. -1
    29 September 2022 03: 00
    Remember how after the idea of ​​socialism turned out to be irrelevant and the republics of the USSR fled, the idea soared in society that the solution to all problems would be the transition from socialist common property to private property, as under capitalism?
    What, in the end, happened?
    Capitalism (private property) also turned out to be not viable, as evidenced by the increasing crises. And, moreover, it (capitalism) is fraught with the danger of unleashing wars in order to distribute resources. The USA and its vassals (colonies) continue to live at the level of exclusive distribution of resources in their favor.
    Before the collapse of the USSR, the world economic crisis began, and only the opening of the borders of the vast post-Soviet space allowed the economic crisis to stop for a while. But, after a while, as we observe, the crisis returned.

    After the 1917 revolution, the USSR was already moving from the level of Resource Allocation to the level of Goal-setting and Integration, but the idea of ​​Socialism turned out to be unnatural and died out.
    It should be noted that the Resource Allocation itself will not go anywhere, it will simply fade into the background. Morality and intellect will come to the fore.
    Sociologist Talcott Parsons (1902–1979) believed that the relationships of structural units are built on the basis of functions that ensure the survival of society as a whole; T. Parsons identified four types of such functions:
    1. Adaptation (the problem of rational organization and distribution of resources),
    2. Goal orientation (the problem of defining goals),
    3. Integration (the problem of maintaining the internal unity of the system - mandatory norms, rules, etc.),
    4. Maintaining a model (the problem of motivation and alignment of personal motives with the goals and values ​​of society).

    If the world does not move from the level of Resource Distribution to the levels of Goal Setting and Integration, there is a risk that the level of Resource Distribution could destroy human civilization or stop its development for a long time or forever..

    It is obvious that Goal-setting can consist solely in the Moral and Intellectual revival of human civilization (article “Moral revival of civil society in Russia” on this site).

    In Russia there are technologies developed in Soviet times that will allow us to move from the level of resource distribution.
    For example, the following can be given:
    - you can build the economy as much as you like, BUT, without knowing what it is, the results will not be exclusively progressive. Economy is a system. Can anyone name a single system-forming factor of the Economy? Even economists don’t know it!
    - the single system-forming factor of Intellectual development in our education system has simply been destroyed!

    It is likely that Russia's mission is to lead the whole world... starting with itself...
  77. 0
    29 September 2022 03: 35
    This person writes:
    one of the SP-2 threads is intact. Which suggests that it simply “didn’t work” for her. Which means THIS can be found and presented........

    But if an anti-Russian campaign has risen in the West, then soon we should expect evidence in the area of ​​sabotage - pop-up Russian passports... wassat
  78. -1
    29 September 2022 06: 53
    Quote: AVESSALOM
    Alas, now muddy schemes are in fashion in the Kremlin ...

    Schemes are always good, but I’m afraid they don’t correspond to reality. If something is done underwater, there will at least be bubbles or spots of oil at the top. So where are they?
  79. -1
    29 September 2022 11: 03
    Well, there is an answer to one of the sacramental questions. How about the answer to the second one? To understand and to forgive? So what?
  80. 0
    29 September 2022 17: 16
    Which gas pipeline is next? Turkish, Ukrainian? Which part of Europe is naughty? They will turn it off, and now explosions on gas pipelines are becoming commonplace in economic warfare.
  81. 0
    29 September 2022 17: 19
    Those who can quickly move production or expand existing production in the States will flee to the States. For example, Volkswagen.
  82. -1
    29 September 2022 22: 01
    No one cares about our problems. The Anglo-Saxons have completely lost the coast, I see. Let them destroy all our pipes and cables then. Let them bring everything and everyone to the brink. Either they will retreat or we will all go to the Creator together. There's a different court there. I'm tired of all this. Two fraternal peoples played off each other and sat there enjoying themselves. Moreover, they don’t care about them or us. They do whatever they want. It's time to stop all this.
  83. -1
    29 September 2022 22: 43
    A direct and obvious threat is sabotage at Nord Stream

    Actually, we should have done something similar a long time ago, and at the same time tell everyone that the scoundrels from the SAS, and indeed the Belgian, Dutch members, the rainbow ones, in the sense of the colors of the rainbow, surfaced somewhere there.
    We don’t know how to engage in active propaganda! A two, or even a one for some departments.
  84. -2
    29 September 2022 23: 05
    Very similar to creating an incident that could lead to a strike on NATO countries, for example, Poland. In any case, this is the most serious event since the outbreak of hostilities in Ukraine. We'll see how events develop in the near future.
  85. 0
    1 October 2022 13: 17
    Quote: Rustic i ......
    Hmm, what happened, happened. Now you just need to think about how to extract the maximum useful components from this event. So that the return turned out to be very painful for those rejoicing and rejoicing from this diversion.

    If we are Russians, then sooner or later we must return and take back what was taken from us. Bismarck was not a stupid ruler.
  86. 0
    7 October 2022 21: 43
    Quote: krex pax
    Strands of 3 pipes were joined on the surface, and then welded to the main pipe under water. Underwater welding has been used in practice for a long time.

    Why cook underwater when you can cook over water? Materials from the Internet confirm this logic https://www.techcult.ru/technology/2111-podvodnye-gazoprovody

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