Defense Ministry spokesman: Most Russian drones do not meet military requirements

The Russian Ministry of Defense is in dire need of drones different types, but most of the UAVs produced in Russia do not meet the requirements of the military department in terms of their tactical and technical characteristics. This was stated by the representative of the Defense Ministry Igor Ischuk.

The colonel spoke at the round table "Prospects for the development of unmanned vehicle technologies in the Russian Federation" taking place in Moscow. According to him, the Russian Ministry of Defense has developed requirements for drones, but today most Russian manufacturers are unable to meet the requirements, as they do not have the appropriate element base. Therefore, the military is forced to go for simplification, to accept drones for trial operation.

The Ministry of Defense has developed the appropriate tactical and technical requirements for unmanned aerial vehicles. And most manufacturers, unfortunately, are not able to fulfill them. And the main problem of non-fulfillment is the element base

Ischuk said.

To date, the most in demand among the troops are electronic reconnaissance drones, as well as loitering ammunition and reconnaissance drones. UAVs supplied to the military must be noise-proof and not expensive so that they can be mass-produced. In addition, easy to handle.

These aircraft should, of course, be equipped with radiation warning devices, "friend or foe" systems, they should be easy to handle.

- added the colonel.

Comments

[iouris]

"You will fly what we will produce (able to produce)!"

[Lionnvrsk]

most of the UAVs produced in Russia do not meet the requirements of the military department

Oh, already progress, since the Moscow Region finally has requirements for UAVs!

[impostor]

Someone is lying
The head of the FSMTC Shugaev: Russia has no problems with drones, we have the best

[Shurik70]

UAVs must be noise-proof and not expensive

Mla...
It took half a year of war against the whole of NATO to understand this simple truth.
So, you see, in another six months it will come up with the idea that UAVs should also be swarm.

[ilya.muromczev2013]

And where did you get the idea that this is "simple truth"? Before the special operation in Ukraine (even taking into account Syria), NOBODY in the world massively used drones, and even in hostilities on both sides. Only in this way the requirements for them are clarified.

[Shurik70]

Quote: ilya.muromczev2013

And where did you get the idea that this is "simple truth"? Before the special operation in Ukraine (even taking into account Syria), NOBODY in the world massively used drones, and even in hostilities on both sides. Only in this way the requirements for them are clarified.

Any technique is designed under certain conditions.
They will order, for example, a suit for a fireman, which means that it must be non-combustible, heat-insulating, this is the minimum. It is desirable to be able to connect autonomous breathing. And at the same time weigh so much that it can be worn, and even run in it. And this is the "simple truth", which is clear before practical application.
That military equipment should be cheap and reliable is generally a general concept, formulated even under Stalin. And that RADIO-CONTROLLED equipment should be noise-proof, this is also clear without any practical checks. And that drones should be swarm - yes, you just need to think a little.

[zombirusrev]

Here you don’t even need to think about it, Stanislav Lem wrote ... well, some don’t read books off .. and they don’t think much with their heads, they don’t even fantasize ..

[nordscout]

Dear "Shurik70"! You write about such concepts as "understandable to practical use", "this is generally a general concept", "RADIO-CONTROLLED equipment must be noise-proof", "drones must be swarm" - "yes, you just need to think a little" ... This is not decisive for modern "effective managers" and even in uniform. The best examples of equipment, even military ones, appeared "not thanks to", but rather "in spite of" .....

[Grigory_78]

Almost no one likes to think. Especially the military. There was no order to think.

[saigon]

Any technique is designed to meet the requirements of, let's say, an order.
That is, what they ask for, with what characteristics they will receive it.

[Andriuha077]

I would attribute what was said to Iranian completely.
Because the FSMTC "military-technical cooperation with foreign states"

The Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of the Russian Federation (FSMTC of Russia) is a federal executive body that exercises control and supervision functions in the field of military-technical cooperation between the Russian Federation and foreign states.

Pro-reporters tore out of context what was said exactly at the moment of the start of the application of the purchase made.

[impostor]

I also thought about this, but here's an ambush - Iranian ones are not the best, well, or I would say - they are the best of those that are available ... The word is not a sparrow, no matter how you tear it out of context

[Fisherman]

both lie ... one is that we have no problems with drones (although there are no drones - there are no problems with them), the second is that Mo has some "requirements for drones" (where did they come from?, were they used in battle? only Syrian Bedouins were driven across deserts without air defense countermeasures)

[nickname7]

both lie ... one

Both are correct. It's all about swindle and corruption.

You need to make analogues by studying the experience of using other countries.
For example, to make an analogue of the MQ-9 Reaper piece 30, they can be used in peacetime, monitor the occurrence of fires, monitor illegal logging in the taiga and catch smugglers.
The problem is that this system of power is not able to generate anything worthwhile, nor the replacement of regional aircraft, you have to fly on the ancient AN, nor river navigation, nor the production of road construction equipment. Instead, the PR term "unparalleled" was coined, such as since they were able to make armata, which means that industry and technology are strong, which means vote in the elections for the current government. In fact, it's all "rubbing glasses" and the industry is in decline.

Well done Iran, they shot down American UAVs and copied them and launched mass production. In Iran, corrupt officials are treated harshly, therefore, and the results.
VO also wrote about UAVs, but in its specific advertising style, smoothing out sharp corners. And you need to conduct a journalistic investigation, find out the details of orders
allocated amounts and why there is no serial production of "lancets" and UAVs.

[Sergey Drozdov]

Only a "journalistic investigation", apparently, should be carried out by a couple of divisions of the Guards of the Islamic Revolution ... - then everything definitely flies.

[Fitter65]

Quote: impostor

Someone is lying
The head of the FSMTC Shugaev: Russia has no problems with drones, we have the best

Nobody lies. Mr. Shugaev has them the best, but the Moscow Region does not fit them. It's like - The freshest, live fish, we buy, the freshest, live fish !!!! - So it does not move with you ... - Eh, the fish is sleeping tired! - So it somehow smells bad... - Eh, do you control yourself when you sleep?!!!. So here the best in the world ... In our world of the Moscow region .....

[Valery Rodionov]

... I hope the "th broom" for this clerk is already prepared by the President?

[AlOrg]

in fact, the requirement for 100% localization of all components is harmful and is the main reason for the backlog of UAV production

[Sergei Kazarin]

Due to the stupid localization requirement, there are no shock drones.
The same Orions could have riveted a bunch with Rotaxes, but Shoigu demanded completely Russian ones and the result is that they don’t exist at all. Which one will invest in components for a non-serial product with unclear prospects
And the Eagles created under Serdyukov with 70% of imports successfully fly and without them it would be really bad

[Vadmir]

but Shoigu demanded completely Russian and the result is that they are not at all.

Have you heard of sanctions? For a local war game, you can generally buy abroad, everything that will be sold. But for a big war, you need only what you can produce yourself. Shoigu rightly demanded. The question is why his demands could not be met and who is responsible for this.

[Sergei Kazarin]

The Iranians have not heard anything about the sanctions.
Yes, why didn’t they quickly set up the production of electronics and other things, especially when they didn’t give you money for it. Perhaps Allah should have given money.
That's about such illiteracy and speech. Of course, with such geniuses like you, there wouldn’t even be Orlans, thanks to Serdyukov that he managed to develop before the arrival of such geniuses.

[Johnson Smithson]

Yes, why didn’t they quickly set up the production of electronics and other things, especially when they didn’t give you money for it. Perhaps Allah should have given money.

Russia simply does not have enough money to localize all the electronics.
China has invested $1,5 trillion in its electronic factories and is still lagging behind the West.

[Sergey Drozdov]

Yesterday I listened to economists: our rotten (elite) officially brought out 3 trillion, and according to an honest calculation, 10-15 trillion. That's all the electronics for you ... there is no money - they just don't need Russia.

[tank64rus]

This is Serdyukov, who offered to buy old armored vehicles from NATO countries. He led us to a "small but professional Army", completely destroyed the mobilization system. Military science to the root, friends needed land in Moscow. He was convicted for his "reforms", but did not sit. You can go on listing "exploits". And that's enough.

[Sergei Kazarin]

Where do you come from. All modern equipment that is in the army from the time of Serdyukov, what old armored vehicles.
Serdyukov has been gone for 10 years, and all Serdyukov is to blame for something.
Only under Serdyukov did the army win

[Dedok]

Quote: Sergey Kazarin

Only under Serdyukov did the army win

Remind me when this was?

[Sergei Kazarin]

In 2008 and 2014, the army created by Serdyukov beat Ukrainians

[Dedok]

Quote: Sergey Kazarin

In 2008 and 2014, the army created by Serdyukov beat Ukrainians

???????????????
except ...... and nothing can be said

[nikto-nikak]

Serdyukov did what he was told ... For that he was awarded ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

the Ministry of Defense finally has requirements for UAVs

Requirements must first be met. Is the element base really better in Iran or Turkey than in Russia. And how then does the best aircraft like the Su-35 and Su-57 fly? Why then do we have the best manned cosmonautics and nuclear power in the world? Or do they have an element base simpler than that of a UAV?
There are too many questions for the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense. After all, 10 years ago, all military experts said that UAVs would become the basis of not only combat support systems, but also move into the category of the main fire weapon.
Where were these "colonels" who should have carried out research and development a long time ago and formed a TTZ for the entire range of UAVs? To whom did they cut the huge budgets, which, in spite of everything, still stood out? What does the advertised private company "Kronstadt" do, which is still building buildings?

[impostor]

But thank God there are friends,
And thank God friends have swords

(C)

[stelltok]

Requirements must first be met. Is the element base really better in Iran or Turkey than in Russia.

Turkey, Iran makes UAVs from imported components.

And how then does the best aircraft like the Su-35 and Su-57 fly?

In aviation, the Russian Federation has everything ready (people, factories, ...). All own. In aviation, low nanometers are not needed.
UAVs need low nanometers (people, factories, ...).

Why then do we have the best manned cosmonautics and nuclear power in the world?
Or do they have an element base simpler than that of a UAV?

Easier. + There are already factories and people for that's all.

[Adrey]

Quote: Vita VKO

Where were these "colonels" who should have carried out research and development a long time ago and formed a TTZ for the entire range of UAVs?

There, people not in colonel uniforms decided. Much more "respected".

[Botanologist]

In response to the remark of the People's Commissar of Culture that writers are prone to petty topics and bourgeois remnants, Iosif Vissarionovich said:
I have no other writers for Comrade People's Commissar. But I can find another people's commissar for fellow writers.

[cold wind]

Quote: Vita VKO

Is the element base really better in Iran or Turkey than in Russia.

Not only this is the problem. There are adequate technical requirements. Most of the requirements of the RF Ministry of Defense are renewing senseless and even harmful.
Here for clarity:

Head of the Kronstadt company: Turkish Bayraktar would not pass state tests in Russia

https://www.interfax.ru/interview/786015

P.S. TB-2 has been sold to 30 countries of the world and only in the Russian Federation it would not have passed the state, that's how we live.

[Oleg812spb]

After the stupid implementation of the requirements for compliance with ISO standards and quality management services, it became almost impossible to develop and create something experimental, non-standard and small-scale, and even more so non-core.

[Dimcor]

And rightly so that he would not pass. Bayrakter is not a combat drone, and not reconnaissance, but it's not bad either - it's a kind of hunter for small local conflicts. You can’t send them to slaughter like geraniums, but as a reconnaissance apparatus it’s also debatable, it’s also not a strike drone with which you can damage positions, as a result, there is no place for it in the Russian army, only like this, indulge in some kind of special forces.

[wladimirjankov]

"it's not a strike drone with which you can damage positions"
It seems that you have not seen the videos of the chronicle of the last war in Karabakh filmed from bayraktars. Look and see that your statements are not true. There they burned all the armored vehicles, air defense and artillery of the Armenians. They were not allowed to hide anywhere and raise their heads. Detected and immediately destroyed without any intermediaries and delays. If our army had the same strike UAVs, the course of the NWO would be different.

[Dimcor]

I'm talking for special forces in some operations in limited small numbers. Your words are not true, the Armenians do not have enough means to fight against drones, Ukraine has a lot of MANPADS. It is inefficient to mass-produce such things on our own. Should I take your word for it or the Turks themselves selling this drone? Bayrakter is sold as a reconnaissance and combat drone. The shock drone is the same Reaper. The Turks also have shock drones, but they use Ukrainian engines, and this is now a problem and they have not yet found a full-fledged replacement.
How do you even imagine it - "did not let them raise their heads"? And if they raise their heads, then what? The bayacter has a combat load of less than 100kg, let's say it injures two people with shrapnel - and that's it - the ammunition is finished - in terms of impact power it is close to 2 152mm shells, they are about 50kg each. Attack drones carry tons of combat load, and there you will be really scared to raise your head. If our army had attack UAVs, it would be good, but Bayrakter is not an attack UAV, and I, and the Turks themselves, explained this to you quite intelligibly.

[Sergei Kazarin]

It’s just that the Iranians are smarter and pecked with the Chinese element base and didn’t wait for their Shoigu without waiting

[tatarin1972]

They issued TTZ, under Serdyukov, the competition was won by one unknown firm from Kazan. I drank a huge budget on foot and disappeared. No one was punished.

[tabex]

Actually, well-known, since the days of the USSR, to be honest, I didn’t follow the fate of the Simonov OKB, there were complex lawsuits, the names of the first persons of the republic sounded

[Sergei Kazarin]

Do not smack nonsense, this firm made a flying prototype for a penny, which gave the MO. They gave 1 yard of rubles for a drone, the American equivalent cost 1 yard of greenery.
After that, the company was squeezed out by imprisoning the developer, but the wringers close to Rostec did nothing more.
Orion flies only because there is a rich Oligarch who invested his money much more than MO's kopecks

[wladimirjankov]

The MO allocated 5 billion rubles for the project.

[wladimirjankov]

Do not make such statements if you are not aware of those events. KB im. Simonov is a well-known and serious company that worked back in the days of the USSR. Competent designers and specialists in aviation technology have always worked in it. They developed a project and created an experimental 5-ton altius UAV, which took off in 2016 and made its first flights. It remains only to install a weapons control system on it and integrate it with existing missiles and bombs. The design bureau asked for additional funding for this. Instead, the Ministry of Defense terminated the contract, accused the director of the design bureau of misappropriation of the budget and transferred the entire project and the flight copy of the Altius UAV to the UZGA plant affiliated with Rostec Chemezov. It seems that the almost finished project was simply squeezed out, given what orders and money can be received for it. But this muddy UZGA and its owners still cannot bring altius to mind and put it into series, despite loud promises. After all, they do not have specialists, as in the Kazan Design Bureau. The UZGA was engaged only in the screwdriver assembly of Israeli Hornet UAVs (fortpost). Therefore, the fate of the much-needed Altius army is worrying.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Vita VKO

Where were these "colonels" who should have carried out research and development a long time ago and formed a TTZ for the entire range of UAVs? To whom did they cut the huge budgets, which, in spite of everything, still stood out? What does the advertised private company "Kronstadt" do, which is still building buildings?

In addition to technology, we also need normal OFFICERS with a head responsible for their words and actions, and not with deep pockets and with dried brains! Maybe then there will be no stupid, incomprehensible situations at the front and stupid "talking" under the dictation of "heads"!

[Sergei Kazarin]

There is an indicative article on the development of an engine for the Orion UAV. Where the incompetent bureaucrats of the Moscow Region constantly made additional demands on the engine, not understanding the possibilities for their implementation. At the same time, they did not give additional money for Wishlist.
As a result, they were left without engines.

[bulava74]

Why are you asking rhetorical questions?
You have a childish perception of life reality.
The component base (production facilities) was destroyed in the 90s. We were told from TV screens: "If we sell resources, we will buy everything we need. We do not need defense production in microelectronics and component base."
So we are reaping the benefits - our "Killed", and from behind the hillock they blocked the "oxygen".
The requirement of the Moscow Region is correct - you need to fight with your own people, and not wait for handouts from someone.

[Kedrovich]

Kronstadt just opened a new plant. And before that, their entire assembly was like an assembly of Lamborghini-level cars. All by hand. I saw a report from a year ago from their shop. the hulls were glued from fiberglass fabric by hand, as if not a factory, but an aircraft modeling circle. With such speeds, there will be no UAVs of their own in the required volumes. B*tch. Own oil. Polymers must have all stripes on the conveyor version. With the union, millions were produced mini motors for toys or gasoline for models. And this trend died a long time ago. Don’t kill them, already now there were good dviguns for UAVs on any fuel or batteries. But all "Emely" are too lazy to start doing something and raise their ass. Now let's stick out our tongues.

[Sergei Kazarin]

Orion was developed under Serdyukov and already flew in 2015. Even in a small pilot production it was possible to rivet hundreds during this time, but the MO was not needed before Karabakh. Orion is not even certified by the MoD yet

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Yes, everyone glues it with their hands, and in all countries, both in our country and in the USA. And it doesn’t matter if it’s a drone, SU-57 or a minesweeper.
Fiberglass into matrices is laid out by hand. I personally observed how this happens at a large shipyard.
But of course, large-scale production is always more technologically advanced.
The trouble is that drones are a new direction, there are simply no specialists in the country.
As a result, a vicious circle. There are no orders, because the plant does not have production, and the plant cannot organize production (build workshops and, most importantly, hire and train people, from workers to technologists) without a portfolio of orders. The plant is private, no one will give them the budget just like that. The same OKB Su, Mig, Mil, Kamov, they have a portfolio of orders and can invest part of the profits in development, plus they receive budget funding for both promising R&D and products. They have a backlog, including human. In unmanned aviation, this is not the case.
Therefore, the Su can build an unmanned S-70, and a private trader cannot copy the Mavic.

[AlexeyEg]

"But all" Emelya "too lazy to start doing something and ass" The example is contagious. Show me what you're good at.

[Vadmir]

Requirements must first be met.

The desire to have not just UAVs, but good UAVs is quite understandable. It is in a war you can use anything. Iranian UAVs are not the best, ours would be better, but they didn’t manage to make them or couldn’t, or maybe they didn’t want to - our defense industry doesn’t like to deal with small things, they don’t give titles and awards for it. Whether it is an unparalleled wunderwaffe business, for which money and awards and fame.

[_Evolution_]

Russia has two troubles and these are not fools and roads, but corrupt officials and tolerant democrats.

[Last centurion]

A drone is usually a small plane (but full-fledged) where all electronics are miniaturized at least on crystals up to 64-32 nm. This is not such a big plane into which you can screw logic on Soviet-style microcircuits (well, it will take fewer bombs and figs with it). And how to shove something that weighs hundreds of kilos into something that should weigh tens of grams, or better, in general, 1 centimeter-by-centimeter-sized crystal in the absence of modern microelectronics ... so that it can take away optics, and even more so the cargo being dropped ... This everything is miniaturization, microelectronics, precision engineering ... What swarms, what can we even talk about. .. If you are a bespectacled person, then you probably bought lenses - and all thin, ultra-thin, ultra-light lenses are imported ... I have not seen domestic light optics on the market. If these are binoculars, then they weigh as much as three imported ones ... For a modern industry to appear, this country needs a leader like Lavrenty Pavlovich, whose prayers have not yet mixed us with me-ashes.

[stelltok]

I have not seen domestic light optics on the market.

And this?
https://www.zenit.photo/catalog/fotoapparaty/

[Terenin]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

most of the UAVs produced in Russia do not meet the requirements of the military department

Oh, already progress, since the Moscow Region finally has requirements for UAVs!

It’s not clear to me, one requirement has another impossibility to solve them ... Ah, the soldier on the front line, well, he doesn’t understand the “impossible requirements” and scratches his turnips
Can the zone create conditions for the implementation of the state order?

[Podvodnik]

. progress, since the Moscow Region finally has requirements for UAVs!

Progress? Not sure. Requirements? Oh well.
After leaving, he went for an interview. Get a job. How did they find out that I was 31 years old - turn from the gate. Don't come close, we have a young team!
Fuck it, I think! Am I outdated already?
The conclusion was simple: specialists with ten years of experience are required, adult children, foreigners are fluent and the age is 25 years old!
It seems that the requirements of the MO are from the same opera: "go there, I don't know where, bring something, I don't know what ...". Idlers!

[Fisherman]

Are the MO requirements too high? and Shahid-139 and Mohajer satisfy? Complete ignoramuses, you need to fight with what can be used right now for the economical destruction of the enemy, and not with what, according to the guests, fits the "requirements of the Moscow Region." The requirements of the Ministry of Defense for our military-industrial complex have already left us without inexpensive low-end aircraft, UAVs and missiles for war, and not for reports "we have improved weapons by 75%". It is reporting and it is in% that it spoils the army, navy and industry. % is, but the Army is not pulling a war against banderlogs with Chinese copters ... We need a RESULT, not a REPORT about%.

[guest]

It remains only that these UAVs themselves appear there.

[TIR]

They were before. They only demanded, say, for a UAV weighing 500g a payload of a couple of tons. I think whoever is in the subject understands what and how they demand. As a rule, UAVs are created by small companies, and the appetites of those who have to give technical requirements are huge. They can be covered only by large state-owned companies in the military-industrial complex. Therefore, we do not have UAVs. We need such weapons to be more expensive. So that both the manufacturer and the buyer from MO are satisfied

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Oh, already progress, since the Moscow Region finally has requirements for UAVs!

I applaud the comment!

[Taimen]

So they are already "having no analogues in the world." Someone is lying. Either the Ministry of Defense, or someone about analogues.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

most of the UAVs produced in Russia do not meet the requirements of the military department

Oh, already progress, since the Moscow Region finally has requirements for UAVs!

There were always requirements, only drones were not.

[2112vda]

The requirements for UAVs from the military were formulated back in 2014. Conducted research and development work on this topic. The winners were representatives of the "green" party in the person of CIAM with their electric aircraft on fuel cells and with fuel in the form of hydrogen. Everyone knows that electric aircraft are practically invisible and inaudible at a loitering height of more than 4 kilometers. Here, our troops and the Ukrainians also do not see or hear TsIAM electric aircraft. Here, as in that movie, you see gophers on the field, the answer is no, but they are there. For this, competitors with their ancient piston engines were eliminated, for example, Istrians, the same Ufa residents and a number of developers of this technology. Questions should be asked not by the Ministry of Defense, but by CIAM and a number of responsible ministerial comrades from the Ministry of Industry and Trade who deceived this department. In Russia, as there was mutual responsibility, it didn’t go anywhere. For Bastrykin there is a field of activity on this topic.

[Garris199]

Well, of course. We have so few UAVs in service because we don't like them all. Soon a molecular drone will be created in some research institute of molecular electronics, then the Moscow Region will be delighted. There are no analogues, it will cost a lot and it is not visible whether he is in the troops or not.

[chetvertak]

So it should be! In the second domestic war, a lot of things did not meet the quality of military equipment, if not all! read. The general director of UVZ, after the start of the special operation, arranged a holiday on the occasion of the fulfillment of part of the contract, 10 tanks for the Moscow Region. At the same time, he stated that they were fulfilling the contract that was signed. And they did not receive any mobilization forces from the enterprise in the form of an order

[Bulgarian_5]

Finally, the truth has been revealed!

Praises Orlan records as a keepsake and you can watch the video recording of the landing!

I watched a lot of videos where the Aerospace Forces ostensibly destroys ISIS, there is always a video before the bombing where the enemy and equipment are approximately visible around the house, but there is no time for the raid itself.

We need modern UAVs that transmit real-time video.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: iouris

"You will fly what we will produce (able to produce)!"

Exactly. How else? Kronstadt works. They have already accumulated some competence. They will continue to accumulate if the state takes care of them, and first of all from effective managers. There are talented engineers in Russia. But talented engineers can't stand "effective managers," even if they've become managers themselves. The problem there is not in the economy, in which engineers understand remarkably. There is a problem in finances, and these financial problems are a consequence of economic policy. And here is the trouble. Financial flows - this is the true motivation of effective managers. There is only one wish - do not interfere with the engineers.

[zenion]

Again, the rhythm is wrong, and the legs make it difficult to rearrange the pants.

[Sergey3]

And then, who would doubt it, according to the military, it should be an automatic death star with a cost of 5 kopecks.

[antivirus]

Flying belt buckle.
Better flying footcloth. Like the flying carpet.

[zenion]

antivirus. No footcloths! They can drag their legs into captivity. Before you start the buckle, you need instructions on how to remove it from your pants, how to release the buckle from the belt, the most important thing is to check, or does she want to fly and where will she fly? After the interrogation, put the imprint of the big toe on the buckle, according to this imprint you will not have to pay for the buckle, finally release it from your hands in the direction it wants. Do not forget to say fly with greetings and do not return without a tongue. Then you can sit down on the pot, twist the goat's leg and finally light a shag, blow the smoke in the opposite direction to knock the enemy's buckle off the trail. At the same time, you can sing a song - I'm a cloud, a cloud, a cloud, I'm not a soldier at all. In no case do not climb into any holes, thinking, or assuming that there is honey there, there may be feces. About footcloths. Remove from leg. Blow your nose, wipe your feet on both sides, contagious microbes that are your friend and their enemy. Spin on a stick, you can on any barrel from a pistol, up to 250 mm. And to break with a sharp movement punishing the face on the enemy, fly along the trail of the buckle. Sit on three pots. Twist an ox-leg with shag, imagining that this is a cigar from Cuba. Smoke can be blown in all directions, so that the enemies think - once it burns, there is no trace to finish off, so as not to wake the crew.

[antivirus]

But Winnie the Pooh still flew.
In India, even elephants fly. We just don't know

[Podvodnik]

. automatic death star with a cost of 5 kopecks.

Well, a freebie is always welcome. On the "Krasny Sormovo" diesel engine was "marriable". It was a long time ago indeed. You give it back, says MO, and then we will give the money ....
So not surprised. They will definitely take the Death Star, but they will not give more than five kopecks.

[UAZ 452]

And then, who would doubt it, according to the military, it should be an automatic death star with a cost of 5 kopecks.

In fairness, our military-industrial complex is happy to sell a military helicopter from the nearest children's world at a price of 5 million apiece.

[Rustic]

there should be an automatic death star with a cost of 5 kopecks

Hey, what 5 kopecks, but what about the rollback? No more than 2, otherwise it does not fit the requirements.

[Beregovic_1]

And while the military is developing TTZ, commercial drones purchased at their own expense are quite successfully used without any protection. Our defense department is very inert ....

[Genry]

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

quite successfully used commercial drones purchased at their own expense without any protection

You wanted to say "successfully pissed", because they are easily suppressed by enemy portable electronic warfare systems and their own air defense systems, since there is no "friend or foe".

[Beregovic_1]

In order to effectively suppress the mass-used commercial UAVs, it is also necessary to massively introduce portable suppression systems, which are like BE at the front of 1000 km .... And nothing prevented, using the experience of the Armenian-Azerbaijani war and the first days of the NMD, to purchase tons of 40 of these drones, instead of a salute Moscow and the parade on the day of the Navy

[chetvertak]

Not inert, but economical for the Ministry of Defense! How wonderful that the fighters take care of their lives, at their own expense, and not the RF Ministry of Defense should disturb. For a general, armor and berets are not needed in the office

[UA3QHP]

Here is the excuse ready. Why are there no drones in service.

[AlOrg]

this is not an excuse, this is the main reason for our lagging behind in this area

[1Alexey]

Quote: Ua3qhp

Here is the excuse ready. Why are there no drones in service.

That's it! Where was MO before?!
Why didn't you signal? Why, on the contrary, did our Defense Ministry boast and be proud of our UAVs before?

For example, the Pacer, tested in real battles in Syria, was called very successful and superior to the Turkish Bayraktars.
And now it turns out that our drones are not suitable for the army.

[chetvertak]

There is a suspicion that the Ministry of Defense is trying to push everything onto someone. Or maybe it gave such impossible tasks for the design bureau that the defense industry did not have components. But it seemed to me that if different design bureaus cooperated with each other in this area, and that they have more decent components in the defense industry, then after 5 years there were already more than one UAV in the series

[Sergei Kazarin]

Especially after the shock Orion in a single copy stuffed a bunch of Ukrainian equipment, paying for itself many times over

[Vladimir M]

Interestingly, do Iranian UAVs meet the requirements of the Russian Ministry of Defense? If they answer, then it is necessary to imprison someone from the manufacturers, if they also do not meet the requirements of the Moscow Region, then someone from the Moscow Region must be imprisoned.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Vladimir M

if they also do not meet the requirements of the Moscow Region, then someone from the Moscow Region should be imprisoned.

Well, how would - shoot. A sea of ​​blood has already been shed through their fault.

[hohol95]

Previously, they did not seek such TTZ from UAV manufacturers? Before deliveries to armament?

[antivirus]

Well, at least the colonel understands the bla, but the generals?
And no infantry. And there are few missiles.
And black people.
And oil and gas.
And sq m of housing.
And brains.
And business people.
And brokers.
And brokers.
And time.
And 5 years.
And 7 months.
And the glass is small, and even half empty.


From Serdyukov they wanted UAV development and delivery to Moscow.
5 crayfish have been eaten on the mountain since that time.
And their whistles..
And the people are not correct in Russia.

[thrush68]

Our top managers will do everything that they order. They will buy it on Ali and repaint it. They won’t get anything for it anyway. There is already so much talk about the very UAVs.

[chetvertak]

They write that from next year, the Kronstadt enterprise in Dubna will launch a pair of UAVs into series,
it remains to drag time from its own to March, and there you see something will get to the front from a UAV. I read somewhere that one of our plants is ready to produce 5 thousand units a year

[belost79]

I am sure that Iranian martyrs do not fit any requirements either. A disposable drone must have an armored gun, the ability to fly in plus 50 and minus 50, it should not be hacked by an unparalleled "krasuha" from 2 meters and a shelf life of 30 years in the rain. I'm sure the requirements are the same.

[Sergey3]

You are mistaken, for aircraft according to GOST, the temperature range is + - 60 degrees Celsius. At the same time, almost all micromechanical gyroscopes are imported, microcontrollers are imported and their temperature range in the military class is from minus 50, industrial from minus 40. Military microcircuits have not been available in recent years from the word at all. In domestic controllers, domestic only packing box and paper label. At the same time, this microcircuit costs like a good piece of gold.

[UA3QHP]

At the same time, this microcircuit costs like a good piece of gold.

Because the requirements for this microcircuit are presented like a death star, and drones don’t need it, but there are existing standards that NEZYA should deviate from.

[DO]

Sergey3,

for aircraft according to GOST temperature range + - 60 degrees Celsius

Medium and small drones do not fly at an altitude of 10 km (where minus 40 Celsius is typical). And at the surface of the earth, in Kyiv (and not in the ice of the Arctic), the average minimum temperature is minus 5 Celsius http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/climate/33345.htm. Consequently, commercial components from minus 40 Celsius will work in Ukraine. All that is needed is a document signed by the high army authorities, which would regulate the operating conditions for a specific batch of products.
Well, for the Arctic, we need a domestic

microchip like a good piece of gold

[UA3QHP]

All that is needed is a document signed by the high army authorities, which would regulate the operating conditions for a specific batch of products.

But this, my friend, is a deviation from the requirements of regulatory documentation. What sane official would sign such a paper? The prosecutor will be the first to come to him with the question on what basis did you put your signature and whether there are any corruption components here. Adopt a product that DOES NOT MEET the requirements of current standards.

[DO]

What sane official would sign such a paper? The prosecutor will come to him first with the question on what basis did you sign

Yes, you are right, such PEACETIME sentiments prevail. Bureaucracy. However, in many respects this is why the Russian army today does not have Russian drones, and at the beginning of the NMD, Russian artillery, like in WWII, thrashed the areas, and now it is forced to import drones.
Ultimately, the price of this bureaucracy in the NWO is the lives of Russian soldiers.

[ximkim]

It's clear. The industry is dead, we will buy imports.

[Bear]

That's for sure, our military, the most military in the world. They and drones must carry out the commands: "Yes", "That's right", "No way", "Hurrah". This is sarcasm, of course. All my conscious life I have been observing the disproportion of the "wants" of the Moscow Region and the realities of production. The only thing I can 100% note is that the departure from the "planned economy" of "developed socialism" to the initiative of private producers, over the past 10 years, has yielded great results in the fields of communications and electronic warfare. I do not take the times of "totalitarianism", when you want or don't want, but "sharashki" "gave out on the mountain." So, God forbid our military and industry find compromise solutions more often, otherwise in the realities of hostilities - these squabbles and reticences lead to unreasonable casualties.

[Alexander 3]

We have such equipment "Alabuga". If you launch over Ukraine and shy away, all of Ukraine will be without drones and communications.

[Bear]

There is, that is, but the range is not very large, and how many of them are in service is a military secret.

[forum member]

In defense tactics, use on the approaches mining with electronic warfare mines that react to armored vehicles. In offensive tactics, during preliminary artillery preparation, use, among other things, electronic warfare shells. Electronic warfare ammunition, depending on the tactics, will disable the enemy's high-tech equipment located in the technical means of communication, high-tech weapons, modern vehicles that fall within the range of these weapons. An enemy with disabled high-tech equipment (microcircuits, chips, electrical equipment) in communications, weapons and vehicles loses the advantages of his position.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Orso

I do not take the times of "totalitarianism", when you want or don't want, but "sharashki" "gave out on the mountain."

I had to work, where did such a depth of knowledge of the subject come from?

[Bear]

I have deep respect for all "sharashka workers", apparently you worked in the 30s - 50s? If so, excuse me, are you at least 90 years old?

[Genry]

Quote: Orso

The only thing I can 100% note is that the departure from the "planned economy" of "developed socialism" to the initiative of private producers, over the past 10 years, has yielded great results in the fields of communications and electronic warfare.

And what, in your opinion, did private traders do well?
IMHO they didn't do anything, because it takes a lot of investment to get a result with little profit (at best).
As in large aviation - a private trader cannot raise production - his lot is a variety of little things with small volumes of one-time investment.

[Sergei Kazarin]

The third part of the conclusions from our reader-artilleryman, who returned from the first rally of operators of combat UAVs "Dronnitsa".

So, drones are sorely lacking. In modern realities, the bureaucracy lengthens the development time for military products. Let's suppose you did it and spent a year (or two) on paperwork, and still began to develop a certain product.

Well, let's take a look at the restrictive lists:
- let's all domestic;
- temperature range from minus 50 to 50 degrees for all components, including optics and batteries;
- reliability - thirtyfold. Like the fire detection and extinguishing system of the cruiser "Moskva";
- standardization and unification of a light UAV should be at the level of 90% with the components of the T-64 tank;
- and be sure to catalog everything in the 46 Central Research Institute system, which, of course, is ten times "more convenient" than any online store cobbled together by a ninth-grader in WordPress in a computer science lesson.

Then try:
- make prototypes;
- test under the wise guidance of secret institutions;
- pass state tests;
- prepare production and somehow establish a series;
- You will establish a series under the conditions of separate accounting for the State Defense Order, when you cannot immediately buy everything available on the market at the best price: everything is agreed with the military representative. It's good if you can make a pre-purchase.

Description of the process - only in general terms and in rough strokes.

By the way, the "military expert" Lyokha-antidrone no longer quacks that "drones are unnecessary": this unprofessional civilian rumbler has been intercepted by the enemy's electronic warfare and is already landing on the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
https://t.me/rusfleet/5307

[ramzay21]

The Moscow Region needs purges with executions and confiscation of the property of order-bearing rams, and not plaintive whining after 15 years of fairy tales about an unparalleled world and an 80% rearmed army.

[Genry]

Quote: ramzay21

The Moscow Region needs purges with executions and confiscation of property

You want?
So you will be confiscated immediately from the planet Earth - aliens will say.
There is nothing to raise a fuss, do your job and don’t go where you don’t even understand that you need to first change/adjust the Constitution, which lays the foundation for the current bedlam.

[Sergei Kazarin]

It’s not a matter of the Moscow Region, the smart minister of defense was only under President Medvedev, they will remove Shoigu, they will put some even worse ala Zolotov

[ramzay21]

I’m afraid that we didn’t have a really competent minister of defense who understands what a modern army is and how to build it for a very long time, back in the USSR and not in the 80s.
And the guarantor will actually either appoint a competent general as a minister or lose the SVO.

[Sergei Kazarin]

He does not have to understand, he must be a good manager.
A good manager will quickly figure it out.
Some Kiriyenko was not an atomic scientist, but he managed Rosatom well.
The best minister of defense was the former director of a furniture store.
In the United States, an active military man cannot become a minister only after 7 years after his dismissal, having proved his worth in civilian life.
With the generals there was already a shame in Chechnya. The General Staff is responsible for the war, and not the Minister of Defense, the Minister is an ordinary business executive responsible for providing, why is there a general, and Russian generals don’t even know how to fight, where can they govern

[Just a visitor.]

If you change people, that's one thing. But now we need to change the system. And this is a completely different matter.

[Bear]

Careful with purges and executions, as if not to run into yourself, you are our couch.

[aszzz888]

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The Moscow Region needs purges with executions and confiscation of the property of order-bearing rams, and not plaintive whining after 15 years of fairy tales about an unparalleled world and an 80% rearmed army.

Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 280. Public calls to carry out extremist activities

(As amended by the Federal Law of July 25.07.2002, 112 N XNUMX-FZ).
2. The same acts committed using the media or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet,
(in the edition of the Federal Law from 28.06.2014 N 179-FZ)

(see the text in the previous wording)

shall be punishable by forced labor for a term of up to five years, with or without deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions for a period of up to three years, or deprivation of liberty for a term of up to five years, with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years.

[ramzay21]

The call for the investigation of crimes is the duty of any citizen, and the call for tougher punishments is the right of any citizen.
But the call to conceal crimes, and what has happened in the Moscow Region for the past 15 years falls under the most stringent articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, this is a crime.

[Oleg812spb]

Apparently, those responsible for this direction felt the approach of "debriefing" and are already beginning to excuse themselves. Of course, you want something very, very, super-super-duper, but: "A titmouse in the hands is better than a crane in the sky."

[chetvertak]

And who will do the debriefing when all the security forces got into a puddle! Bortnikov with Shoigu, Shoigu with Gerasimov, or Gerasimov with Bortnik? Or Kozak with Vaino, Vaino with Lavrov?

[Oleg812spb]

Yes, as usual - Mishustin or the Commander-in-Chief himself will have to threaten with a finger

[Gorygor]

Weird. Such news from a representative of the Ministry of Defense should not be made public through the media.

[Arkady007]

And this sounded only after seven years of their testing in Syria.
The question arises, why then did all the commanders in charge of the SAR receive Heroes of Russia, if the goal of preparing for hostilities was not fulfilled, in my opinion?

[Ivan Ivanov]

And, of course, this has only just come to light.

[Kaufman]

Not so long ago they laughed at the Bayraktars, but we don’t even have anything to laugh at. Flying mopeds and then from Iran

[TIR]

We should cry, not laugh. All the same, at 100 km it can perfectly see our positions in the optics. Therefore, right now they are not shot down. How were ours beaten in the chest after the war in Karabakh? UAV weapons of other countries without aviation? Well, where is our aviation now forced to fly? Air defense knocks down all drones? Chet is not visible. The West calmly provided Ukraine with all types of UAVs. And let our officials from the Moscow Region go further around the market and choose drones for themselves

[faiver]

Colonel, where were you before? Who is in command and command in Rostec?

[lets-true]

Head of FSMTC Shugaev:

Russia has no problems with drones, we have the best

Colonel Ischuk claims the opposite) One of these two is carrying game and this is clearly not a colonel. Then the question is, why does the one who carries the game still hold his position?

[AdAstra]

It would be you and me who would quickly be kicked in the ass for this, and then "who needs a leg," and if it's something, then a golden parachute to help.

[g_ae]

I'm embarrassed to ask, how are Rusnano's successes? Some sort of silence. Where, if not there, should breakthrough solutions be? And the head of the former state award has, and merits to the fatherland. Where should the unmanned aerial vehicles bake.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

And all the successes of "Rosnan" in "Skolkovo" .....

[g_ae]

So Dmitry Anatolyevich promoted Skolkovo! Modernization, everything! As I remember now.

[chetvertak]

So he is now in charge of United Russia, and besides, a lawyer is an honorary doctor of law from the law faculty of St. Petersburg State University, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

[Sergei Kazarin]

All Russian microelectronics is Rusnano, Rusnano, unlike any Rostecs, has done at least something

[UA3QHP]

All Russian microelectronics is Rusnano

Rosnano is not even close to Russian microelectronics.
Nano is not micro. (With)

[Sergei Kazarin]

Even open Wikipedia and look at the list starting with Micron

[UA3QHP]

Well, what are the achievements of Rusnano in the case of JSC Mikron?
Repurchase of 10% of shares from a working production?

[Sergei Kazarin]

All production of Mikron 60nm was created by Rusnano.
And on another Angstrem-T project, without Rosnano, a yard was sawn up and nothing was built.
But experts run around and say that Chubais plundered everything

[UA3QHP]

Big doubts gnaw at me about the merits of Rusnano in this project, well, at least they didn’t interfere much.
But Angstrem-T was not going to be launched, they immediately started sawing.

[Sergei Kazarin]

What do I care about doubts, Mikron works thanks to Rosnano, moreover, Rosnano left the project even with a good profit

[faiver]

By the way, Ryzhy is on the wanted list and arrested for all accounts, but he will begin to hide, sentence him to death in absentia and appoint a reward for him ....

[HefeDMB69]

He is untouchable. He appointed you-know-who. And he does not betray his own.

[rocket757]

Defense Ministry spokesman: Most Russian drones do not meet military requirements

. And what is there to discuss ... problems, they did not appear on their own, they have clear, distinct authors.
But who will be able to solve the problem, is the question???

[Chief Officer Lom]

I am sure that Iranian drones do not meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense for noise immunity, which it probably set with the expectation of a successful action against US electronic warfare. But now we need a massive and cheap one against the Ukrainian Nazis, who, if they have separate samples of normal electronic warfare equipment (most likely what the remnants of the Soviet military-industrial complex of the Ukrainian SSR could invent and put into pilot production, NATO will not dare to provide us with their own for study through Bandera ), then there are very few of them and their work practically does not affect 1000 km of the front.

[Bear]

The more often we provoke the impudent Saxons with strikes from unprotected UAVs, the faster they will supply the Saloreikha with electronic warfare equipment, which is what we need.

[Mavrikiy]

UAVs supplied to the military must be noise-proof and not expensive,
These aircraft must, of course, be equipped with means of warning about exposure, "friend or foe" systems, they should be easy to handle

This was stated by the representative of the Defense Ministry Igor Ischuk.

Interesting. As according to Iranian drawings, but after six months of war and blood, then Geranium-2 is just what you need, even the United States is howling. The question is how is Gerani-2 doing with the set of requirements of the Moscow Region? I don't think so. The MoD deliberately inflated conflicting demands in order to wash their hands and stay clean. They say that they are all military-industrial complex - byaki. The colonel is a talking head in a cap, I wonder why it’s so big, maybe a lieutenant’s, or there are few sons .... And the conclusion is this: Until we take out the fifth column from the Moscow Region, we will carry out the NWO, on the knee with a carnation.

[nov_tech.vrn]

I think that military theorists from among the officials in uniform drew technical specifications at the level of the "star of death" and therefore all these years of industrial development ended at best at the level of trial operation.

[free]

round table "Prospects for the development of technologies for unmanned vehicles in the Russian Federation"

the name of the round table is somehow strange (transport is a means for moving people and goods from point A to point B), at first they would think about simple UAVs, and only then to the next level unmanned vehicles or there are really narrow-minded people, I used to always admire military terminology , simple and clear. Or are the buyers of military equipment outraged that everything goes past their pockets, now they come up with complex technical requirements that only "OWN" suppliers can fulfill?

[Sasha1979]

Strange affair. There are generals, but there is no elemental base. Some kind of disorder.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Sasha1979

There are generals, but there is no elemental base. Some kind of disorder.

It is necessary to exchange generals for an element base somewhere. Maybe in Africa someone will bite, they respect big golden caps.

[Sasha1979]

Yes. If we have an excess of generals, but a lack of elemental base, then it is necessary, of course. correct this situation.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

And where were you before, Comrade Colonel?! When the element base was heaps?!

[Crete 25]

Well, isn't it a shame? Ears are on fire.

[Alexeya2709]

The military loves to complicate things. They probably stuffed everything they knew into the TTZ. As a result, the drone will cost as much as su57. Tyra hunter. They did not hear about swarm structures. The drone should be simple and cheap, without super fancy electronics, but there should be a lot of them. Everything else is on the ground.

[Iris]

Iran has been under sanctions for 40 years, but was able to start producing several types of UAVs. And very good ones, as it turns out. He rivets them en masse and, as they say, they turned out to be inexpensive. And their minister of defense has the rank of major general at the same time ....

[Rustic]

And their minister of defense has the rank of major general at the same time ....

So if we have the same, put everyone above the major general against the wall. Then the remaining drones are even better and even cheaper.

[know-it-two]

Well, finally (less than 10 years have passed) ... And by order of whom then, if not the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, "Lancets", "Pacers", "Eagles", "Cubes", etc. were made ... ???

[Sergey Obraztsov]

Less than eight months have passed since the beginning of the NWO ... But better late than never. ©

[AdAstra]

But it's better sooner rather than later.

[Horon]

but today the majority of Russian manufacturers are not able to meet the requirements, since they do not have the appropriate element base.

They themselves created a problem by limiting the list with mandatory military acceptance, and now they are surprised that the industry does not want to produce problematic products with military acceptance, and those who can sell consumer goods are mainly engaged in it. Neither the military nor the state are interested in expanding the list of permissible element base and believe that the manufacturer should be interested in this, but in the conditions of the market and an unstable military order, there is no point in mass production to be puzzled by small-scale, and even problematic military production. And those who sat only on military products, due to small volumes, unstable orders in the market, have either gone bankrupt or are close to it, with all the ensuing problems. "There is no money, but you hold on" and "go into business" (c) sounded like a motto.

Therefore, the military is forced to go for simplification, to accept drones for trial operation.

The result of formalism in order preparation.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Defense Ministry spokesman: Most Russian drones do not meet military requirements

For such materials, it is necessary to make a reference to the application.

[Wedmak]

Well, if draconian requirements for the type of work from -50 to +50 degrees Celsius, etc., are applied to the simplest UAV, then of course none is suitable. Is it really necessary for an UAV like the same Shahid-136 to withstand such temperatures? This is a piece of compressed foam, an engine, a couple of tens of grams of electronics and a warhead.
And we should ask those who delayed and ignored the development of our UAV systems.

[malyvalv]

You might think that everything in our opponents directly meets their requirements.
Perhaps it is appropriate to recall the story of Suvorov.
Bagration approached Suvorov and, apparently not realizing the importance of the minute, asked him in an undertone to hold off the attack until the backward ones approached, for there were not even 40 people in the companies. Suvorov answered in his ear: "But MacDonald doesn't even have 20, attack with God! Hurrah!" Bagration obeyed. The troops unanimously hit the enemy and threw him in great disorder behind Tidone.

[VLAD-96]

Quote: ramzay21

The Moscow Region needs purges with executions and confiscation of the property of order-bearing rams, and not plaintive whining after 15 years of fairy tales about an unparalleled world and an 80% rearmed army.

Gold words!! Yes, there is nothing to add!

[poquello]

"These aircraft should, of course, be equipped with radiation warning systems, friend or foe systems, they should be easy to handle.
added the colonel. "
it’s hard to imagine these requirements for pocket helicopters, it’s hard to imagine the domestic modern element base now, but they say fighters are needed at the front - well, there’s probably a whole herd of them

[Tusv]

Correctly noted, about "our alien", about the kamikaze drone. This is a stupid delayed action mine. Pointed and in the peak?. What for shell goat button accordion?

[AlOrg]

maybe these comrades do not already correspond to the concept of modern warfare?

[AlOrg]

One active figure recently stated that everything is fine with us with UAVs, now the opinion is exactly the opposite. Maybe it's time to connect the prosecutor's office to the investigation of the true state of thought?

[Million]

Industry and science have been pissed off by young reformers, and this is the result.

[UAZ 452]

today, most Russian manufacturers are unable to meet the requirements, as they do not have the appropriate element base

How wonderful it is that there are such superpowers, technological giants like Iran, which have the corresponding element base!

[Tusv]

Seeker in the furnace. In Iranian, only plastic and aerodynamics, the rest is from Ali Express, and what a nix they suggest !!!

[Sebostyuan]

We decided to divert criticism from the Ministry of Defense towards industry.

[kom]

Obvious things, here and it is not necessary to be. What did you expect when the head of Rostec was busy buying a yacht for $140 million and presenting samples of "UAV" from Aliexpress at exhibitions? Our barracks are wooden, there are no beds. I feel endless shame the last days.

[TatarinSSSR]

I remember how many beautiful (dummy) UAVs of all kinds there were at all sorts of pompous exhibitions such as Army, MAX and other techno shows. From the word SHOW. And it turns out that all this was another fraud for the media picture. And the result - the army again with a bare back side. When is this mess going to end? Probably never.

[Dkuznecov]

I saw attack drones.
DLRO too.
Refuelers appeared at the Americans.
There is a kamikaze.
Bombers too.
Rђ RІRѕS, drone fighter - bye
something is missing on the horizon. Weird.
It would be nice to protect the perimeter,
can be in several layers.

[the same doctor]

Not a single drone will ever meet the requirements of the military. For the agents of influence of the West drown promising undertakings not directly, but with demands to make it even better.
If the requirements for weapons were sound, then back in 2011 we would have had combat robots. True, they would have nothing to do with Putin's androids and Rogozin tankettes. But Manilovism, in the views of higher officials, cut down the idea in the bud.
.
The military should adjust their tactics to the capabilities of the available weapons, and not justify their defeats with "bad" drones. For example, to use them at the minimum range, where there is still communication, and not to drive them to the slaughter where the Ukrainians violate control... Today there are plenty of targets on the front end.
And there is no need to demand an ideal. Better 1000 bad drones today than one "perfect" one never.

[mark021105]

For the past two years, they have only been reporting to Glakoverkh that everything we have "the best, unparalleled in the world"! And now, like this??? Or maybe it's time "to the nail", those speakers???

[AVESSALOM]

Wanguyu.

[T.A.V.]

To be appalled. But what about the Zvezda channel, they trumpeted everywhere about having no analogues?!
Ah ah ah. Not in order. So maybe those responsible for this should be sent to Kalym?

[Rustic]

So maybe those responsible for this should be sent to Kalym?

I'm afraid then all of Moscow will have to be transported to Kolyma.

[Oleg . B.]

There are no literary words, just not censored ones. It’s easier to say that we don’t know how and don’t want to learn how to use UAVs. You can want a lot and not at all. ...not get it. But sitting in an office, and not on the front line, this is not at all burdensome.

[GAndr]

- This is some kind of shame... (c)
Shame on you!

[Fizik13]

Defense Ministry spokesman: Most Russian drones do not meet military requirements

We have a lot of different ones...
With the advent of TOS-1 Pinocchio and Terminator, the military did not know how to include them in military doctrine and justify their use, so they were not accepted into service for a long time.
It was the Americans, sitting in shorts, sorry in their underpants, sorry in the states, who were chasing the Taliban through the mountains with huge drones. We practically already have these.
But modern realities have shown that small and medium-sized short-range drones are needed. That's why:

According to him (Colonel), the Russian Ministry of Defense has developed requirements for drones, but today most Russian manufacturers are not able to fulfill the requirements, since they do not have the appropriate elemental base.

This suggests that in the process of conducting the Northern Military District, the RF Ministry of Defense has finally decided on the performance characteristics of the drones. BUT! Drones need to be developed and refined according to technical specifications, but they are needed now, that is, yesterday and urgently. THEREFORE it is easier to buy now and in huge quantities.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Can there be a cheap UAV with a friend-or-foe system and secure communication channels?!

In Russia, can there even be anything cheap for the army?!

A complex consisting of a control center and 4 Orlan-10 UAVs made of sticks and composites has increased in price from 5 to 50 million rubles.

It's time to kick everyone out of the leadership of Rostec and appoint new people there who will finally do what they should and what is needed with state resources - electronics, optics, engines, and not wait until some private company "horns and cops" "He will assemble a UAV from Chinese parts and supply it to the army, and at a low price.

Our private business is not interested in either electronics or manufacturing, so let’s create state-owned companies that will produce it in market conditions, but under the full control of the state!!!

[Rustic]

Our private business is not interested in either electronics or manufacturing, so let’s create state-owned companies that will produce it in market conditions, but under the full control of the state!!!

Have you seen a lot of honest hucksters? And you propose an even greater utopia - honest bureaucrats.

[Sergei Kazarin]

Just private and pulls. All drones were developed by chat companies, but state sharashkas like Rostekhan have not mastered anything.
The best Typhoon MPAPs are made by a private company.
Serdyukov was just trying to demonopolize the state monopoly, which could not develop anything new, but only modernized the Soviet

[mr wolf]

This is the main difference between the current private design bureaus and the Soviet ones... Then the party and the Moscow Region gave the technical task - carry it out. And now I will or won’t, it’s profitable or it’s not profitable. Apparently, this is why a new article was introduced - for refusing defense orders...

[rotfuks]

Some commentators argue that without drones there will be no victory. There is no shortage of drones and bayraktars in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so what? Does it help them a lot?

[Gentium1]

How so??? Everything is fine with us. And everyone is flying on pink unicorns)

[opuonmed]

I hope they will set up and make the drones that are needed 1k a day!

[Serval Tadorenko]

THE DRAGONFLY SINGED, it's a red summer.

[Scientist_]

the majority of UAVs produced in Russia do not meet the requirements of the military department in terms of their tactical and technical characteristics

I wonder if the Ministry of Defense has just found out about this? What has the Ministry of Defense been doing for the last 10-15 years?

[certero]

In short, now we understand why we didn’t have enough ordinary Chinese buzzers. But the enemy had them.
There is no need to look for a traitor when ordinary stupidity is enough.

[newtc7]

This is a confession. Not expected.
Well, well, we can’t help but praise this brave man who called a spade a spade.
In general, recognizing a problem is the first step towards solving it. Perhaps something will begin to change in this area...

[Buyan]

I wonder if the requirements include that they must also fly?) Oh, those pranksters from the Moscow Region

[Rustic]

I wonder if the requirements include that they must also fly?) Oh, those pranksters from the Moscow Region

Why do the requirements also include flying? There is already teleportation there.

[Oleg-Ivanov]

As long as we have a liberal financial policy, UAVs will not be mass produced. And not just UAVs.

[yakisam]

It would be interesting to get acquainted with the SPECIFIC requests of the military regarding the tactical and technical characteristics that the respected colonel is talking about.
Usually, the military demands a shell-proof helmet for an infantryman, one that fires homing, all-piercing shells that never end, like in DOOM, which they mastered while studying at school, provided that the price is not higher than an AK-74, and there is a nice case. And when it is hinted to them - as a JOKE - that such a thing will be a little heavy on the neck, they “remember” that it was “meant” that it should be 17% lighter than a standard helmet and have an air cushion with a multi-fuel drive, and a silent one and with pedal start.
After the engineers lose the power of speech and the ability to stand upright, military colonels, pleased with themselves, tell reporters that “the military-industrial complex can’t do it again” and “we are forced to fly on firewood” and complain that for these helmets - IT TURNS out - the soldiers needed teach them how to use them, because at the click of a mouse from the colonel’s office, the required helmet does not fire itself....

I wonder, do military colonels imagine the cost of developing and producing what they want, and at the same time the cost of training personnel to operate and use the requested miracles? Nope, they are sure that the problem is in the “element base”, it seems like the rest is there...

Or is it simply difficult for the military to create a massive army that is capable of conducting operations in the relevant territory, and therefore they dream of replacing the army with “loitering ammunition” and “RTR drones,” as well as reconnaissance drones? Moreover, they must be both noise-proof and inexpensive. It's possible...

This can be done, easily.... For example, not having any electronics on board the “drone” :) It’s cheap, and there’s nothing to interfere with. And put a colonel on top of each ammunition, let him loiter and conduct electronic reconnaissance, transmitting intelligence data with flag signals - also noise-proof and, most importantly, cheap, just two flags... The main thing is not to let the colonel put on a helmet - it screens radio waves and the colonel’s brain is not will be able to scout them. Radio engineering... What, an improvement proposal, just within the requested performance characteristics...

In general, all hope is for the unparalleled Dagger and these, as they call them, hypersonic ones... Also, which are “a terrible blow for the United States.” Well, the stump is clear - Poseidon, he will also defeat everyone.

It turns out that there is no army to solve the problems for which an army is created (and then eats for 30 years)? There are only requirements for tactical and technical characteristics that manufacturers do not want to fulfill, and until they fulfill them, the army, so be it, will not do anything
Is this how we should understand this fantastic article?

[Expert2017]

Country of idiots. The Iranians have been churning out UAVs for years. The Chinese have been churning out UAVs for years. Russian Defense Ministry: “We have too high demands”))) Well, yes. That's why Ortas from Iran fly to Russia. What's next? Aircraft from China with CH-5 and CH-901? I am for it! Will anyone in this country even answer under the Criminal Code for the chaos with the lack of gliding bombs for aviation, analogues of kamikazes such as CH-901, Switchblade 600, Hero-120, Bayraktarov and Orbiter-3,4? Well, there are none. Was it really impossible to purchase from the Chinese and Iranians in 6 months and stick an asterisk on them?

[tolmachiev51]

Look no further for the culprits, but the Russian Ministry of Defense failed with the UAV. They looked at it as something of secondary importance, hence the meager funding for development, and especially production. In fact, their effectiveness has already been proven, meaning we are reaping the fruits of our own short-sightedness.

[Sergei Kazarin]

They spent 15 times less money on the development of Orion than on the Patriot Park, and then the money was given under Serdyukov and under Shoigu they were beaten to shame in Karabakh

[Semyon Semyonov_2]

The demands put forward for inexpensive, simple and protected ones apply not only to this military equipment. But they buy what they themselves once chose and not without the help of someone’s murky schemes. As one person said: like it, don’t like it, be patient, my beauty. Will those who signed the documents to equip the aircraft with this equipment be punished? Of course not - so be patient.

[Carib]

Quote from Alorg

in fact, the requirement for 100% localization of all components is harmful and is the main reason for the backlog of UAV production

Not harmful. But you can definitely make an exception for components that are being delivered, and those already purchased and lying in the warehouse. And in general, in wartime, it doesn’t matter what you can find and fit, install, assemble and go into battle!

[Carib]

Quote: also a doctor

Not a single drone will ever meet the requirements of the military. For the agents of influence of the West drown promising undertakings not directly, but with demands to make it even better.
If the requirements for weapons were sound, then back in 2011 we would have had combat robots. True, they would have nothing to do with Putin's androids and Rogozin tankettes. But Manilovism, in the views of higher officials, cut down the idea in the bud.
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The military should adjust their tactics to the capabilities of the available weapons, and not justify their defeats with "bad" drones. For example, to use them at the minimum range, where there is still communication, and not to drive them to the slaughter where the Ukrainians violate control... Today there are plenty of targets on the front end.
And there is no need to demand an ideal. Better 1000 bad drones today than one "perfect" one never.

I completely agree. This can be seen even from afar. They drown everything that is not theirs, even good ones, for the sake of intercepting the contract by their own, courtiers even with worse equipment, performance characteristics, elaboration.... And the courtiers saw, theirs and ours, and they cannot do it normally, not en masse.... NOT chew, not swallow as much as they bit, they were greedy.

[Roman golubets]

Comments from non-professionals, shut up already, the West is 6 nm technological process, the Russian Federation is 32 nm, a lag of 20 years, no prospects

[Ranis]

where do we produce 32 nm processors?

[Vladimir Michailovich]

Quote: UAZ 452

I will say one thing to this - the capabilities of any complex system are determined by the capabilities of its weakest link. There are so many weak links in the system of our military-industrial complex, army, and management that even if a genius, or even more than one, happened to be there by chance, they would not make a difference.

But what about Iran?

[AdAstra]

We built and built and finally built, but not knowing what...

[Alexander_Dneprovsky]

These aircraft should, of course, be equipped with radiation warning devices, "friend or foe" systems, they should be easy to handle.

Actually, this is one of the problems with the development and production of UAVs in the Russian Federation. Are these features required on all UAVs? I don’t think they are needed on UAVs like Eleron and Orlan-10, and especially on kamikazes.
This will eat up the payload and increase their cost. But these types of UAVs are still classified as consumables. I think it is necessary to reconsider the requirements for heavy UAVs. Simplify them if possible. This is one of the factors in their long development.

[AdAstra]

It’s all no big deal... Now how will “evil 35-year-old civilian men” come and “trample” victories one after another without any UAVs (tears through tears)

[AG-76]

"the main problem of non-compliance is the element base"
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And this is a stone for the military-industrial complex.
Those. there is nothing radically new, everything is based on Soviet developments...

[Mahmoud]

Didn't the bus go crazy? friend or foe? Does the author know how much it costs? What if he hits the ribbon? , pest!

[place]

A society in which there is only a tradition of subordination to the “master”, but no tradition of fulfilling duties, will certainly not only “build an airplane without wings,” but will also gouge its state and destroy itself.
The first was already done in 1991. Simply because no self-developing system without bottom-up feedback will be stable. There will be "Russian folk wisdom"; the law is that the drawbar, where it turned, it came out there. "Master" will move until everything goes to hell.

[Ranis]

Despite all the evidence, GDP continues to maneuver and tries to maneuver between oligarchic groups

[Valery Rodionov]

Quote: Valery Rodionov

... I hope the "th broom" for this clerk is already prepared by the President?

[mmaxx]

“Whoever wants to have a horse or a woman without blemish will have neither a horse nor a woman” (Arabic)