Dedicated to those who left the mobilization

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Dedicated to those who left the mobilization


Hell! exclaimed Porthos. -
But since we risk being killed,
I would like to at least know
in the name of what.

Partial mobilization announced. Earlier I wrote that mobilization is an extreme measure. Extreme, because with its announcement, a war of attrition begins. Unfortunately, we had to resort to this last resort. Partially. For now.



Many people went to the military registration and enlistment offices as volunteers. Work brothers! Low bow to you! But a lot went over the hill. To Georgia, Kazakhstan, somewhere else.

What can be said about them?


A lot of statements about cowardice, weakness, purification of society have appeared in the blogosphere. But is everything so clear?

There is someone Maxim Galkin - a well-known figure, speaking in a "yellow-black" attire. In addition to contempt, this "little man" causes little.

And there is, for example, I have one friend - he has a demanded military registration specialty (VUS), has experience in participating in hostilities, he is still quite old. And he has two young children, and they are expecting a third soon. He hasn't gone anywhere yet. But he thinks a lot about his future. And there are those who have already decided to play it safe.

And here comes the problem! A problem that needs to be addressed. To avoid more serious problems in the future.

What is the picture of the world in this person's head? The picture is very difficult - he is faced with a choice: I must protect my family, which may be left without a livelihood, or I must go to fight for ...

"I would like to at least know, in the name of what?"

I will allow myself to give an extensive quote with a number of abbreviations from one Kharkov semi-underground information channel.

“The war going on today is not like the Great Patriotic War. It doesn't have a clear right side. But there is definitely a worse one. Unfortunately, this is the side of the state of Ukraine, of which we are citizens…

But we do not consider it possible for ourselves to participate in the war. Not in combat, much less in any form of espionage or even outright propaganda. This war was made inevitable in eight years by the policies of many states, Ukraine and its Western "friends" above all, but Russia too. Therefore, until the war ends, we will be on the side of those who suffer from it the most: civilians ...

The real source of today's catastrophe is the coup of 2014, called the Euromaidan. Rewind the timeline: the Russian Federation would not have started its “special operation” if Ukraine had not fired on the Donbass and had not gathered troops for a large-scale offensive; Ukraine would not have shelled Donbass if there had not been a rebellion there in 2014; Donbass would not have revolted (like Crimea) if the coup had not brought to power adventurers who relied on ultranationalists. The war started in 2014...

At the same time, we do not idealize the Russian Federation. We wrote that there is definitely no right side today ...

In 2014, a direct – without cowardly disguise – Russian intervention would have stopped the fascisization of Ukraine almost bloodlessly. In 2022, direct, albeit still with disguise, intervention has so far led to the fact that Ukraine has irreversibly taken a military footing...

We still consider the Ukrainian state an absolute political evil. And we are still confident that the Russian state is better against this background. Not because it is good (it could have been, but it wasn’t), but because it is not absolute evil.

I emphasize once again - this is the opinion of the inhabitants of Kharkov. The part that is ready to take the side of Russia, but does not.

Are those who decide to leave weaklings?


I cannot answer this question.

Formally and legally in this conflict, Russia is the attacking side. With all the ensuing risks of such an interpretation and their consequences.

I understand that the reasons that forced the country's leadership to take these risks must be very weighty. But these reasons in the subconscious remain not very clear and somewhat abstract. And when choosing: unclear arguments or my family, it will be very difficult to decide.

This is a big problem! And it must be solved! Now it is relatively local. But with (God forbid) mass mobilization, it will become huge.

What are we doing to solve this problem?


For now, we're pretending it's not there. We brush it off with the words: “Those are cowards. These are weaklings. This is the cleansing of Russia from an undesirable element.

Is it so? Or is it much deeper?

How do we want to end this war? Like in 1945 or like in 1917?

The problem must be solved!

One more thing. Lately, I've been noticing some very disturbing things in the war blogosphere. Mats began to appear in them more often.

In the first weeks of the war, they wrote a lot that there was a lot of swearing in Ukrainian publics. And this was presented as a sign of the degradation of Ukrainian society. Dear military correspondents, let's not be like degenerates.

In conclusion, one more quote from the Russian guys from Kharkov:

“It will end, most likely, with the defeat of Ukraine. But Russia will not get a real victory either - especially if it does not change inside. If the war continues to be fought for profit, and not to achieve the stated goals, then Russia will lose.

Together with her, all of us, scattered throughout the former Soviet republics, people of different nationalities, but at the same time people of the Russian language and Russian culture, will lose.
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  1. -47
    29 September 2022 11: 07
    The problem was born exactly when the current pence betrayed the Soviet oath. In 1991. They took it and "Arranged Russia." In short: "shod". Descendants have to pay: "Thank you grandfather!"
    1. +4
      29 September 2022 11: 20
      One question interests me: how many of them are servicemen?
      Are those who served in the army fleeing?
      1. +16
        29 September 2022 11: 39
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Are those who served in the army fleeing?

        They run. But why didn’t those who are supposed to provide this option? Why, when the mobilization was announced, they did not impose a ban on the exit of persons subject to mobilization? Why did the Khokhls think of this, but here again everything looks like sabotage?
        1. +7
          29 September 2022 11: 43
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Are those who served in the army fleeing?

          Why, when the mobilization was announced, they did not impose a ban on the exit of persons subject to mobilization? Why did the Khokhls think of this, but here again everything looks like sabotage?

          Moreover, there were reports in the news feed that, like, the state is only planning to open these same mobilization points on the border with Kazakhstan one of these days. As if they continue to give time to escape, who did not have time. It's not 1990 by any chance, is it? This reminds me of something...
        2. +2
          29 September 2022 11: 44
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          does it look like sabotage?

          Why didn't they think about it, maybe just the opposite? Let them run alone, you can catch, blame and crush. But when they rebel with an armed crowd and do not want to go to the front, it will be much more fun.
          1. +1
            1 October 2022 11: 31
            Armed crowd rebel cowards fleeing?))) From the category of fantasy
            1. 0
              2 October 2022 22: 30
              There is no beast more terrible than a frightened coward to death ...
              It is strange to meet people in VO who are not inclined to trust Sun Tzu.
              1. 0
                3 October 2022 00: 50
                I don't see any weirdness. Military schools taught other subjects. Everything else is exclusively within the framework of sampo! Does not cancel knowledge of the source
        3. -3
          29 September 2022 11: 48
          We like to talk about our rights, but somehow forget our responsibilities. Those who run do not want to be in our trenches, which means they will be in enemy trenches. Cannon fodder for the West is ready, they will deliver themselves to Europe themselves. We must remember our history, then Victory it’s easier to get it. I don’t know how to fulfill my duties, I know the rights, that’s what’s in the minds of these stayers.
          1. +51
            29 September 2022 13: 06
            We like to talk about our rights, but somehow forget our responsibilities.
            - the population pays the state in the same coin. How many times have we been deceived by the state over the past 30+ years? Do not count, who is responsible for this? Yes, no one, respectively, the population does not believe in the state, but according to its mentality, it is ready to tear anyone for their country. Here the population does not like to remember their duties, and the state does not like to remember the rights of the population, so we play cat and mouse ...
            1. +1
              2 October 2022 14: 04
              The military continues to deceive.
              A person retires, they calculated the size, and not the brother, in the current year the coefficient. 0,74 of what served.
              1. 0
                5 October 2022 08: 12
                A certain state for 30 years: “There is no money, but you hold on”, “pasta always costs the same! And after 40 days of fasting, only health will increase! ”,“ State old-age pensions should be canceled ”,“ if you are not satisfied with the prices, then you earn little, and not the prices are high ”,“ and you spit out foreign pills. Brew oak bark, hawthorn!”, “What do you want us (deputies) to use public transport and endanger our lives?”, “Pensioners are poor because they don’t know how to save and invest”, “people, all this scourge, come”, “locusts of the poor”, “the state does not owe you anything at all”, “the state did not ask you to give birth”. But since you were born, then here is a permanent increase in taxes and a retirement age that you will not live to see.
                As the trawl fleet broadcasts; "We like to talk about their rights, but somehow they forget their duties"
          2. +39
            29 September 2022 13: 30
            And then let's take a deeper dive, the state remembers when citizens owe it something, but often does not remember that it owes something to a citizen. In tg, there are already many posts about what you take with you, and if you count it for money, you get a round figure and this is in the second army of the world about which the mouthpiece of my Zvezda channel blew until February of this year. After all, to provide a soldier, and even more so a mobilized one, is the duty and duty of the state, and it seems to me that it forgets a little about this issue.
            1. -18
              29 September 2022 13: 35
              I see that many do not have responsibilities, they freely interpret them based on their rights. I was not given, I was underpaid, my neighbor lives better, I will not go to fulfill my duties.
              1. +33
                29 September 2022 13: 57
                Quote: tralflot1832
                I see that many do not have responsibilities, they freely interpret them based on their rights. I was not given, I was underpaid, my neighbor lives better, I will not go to fulfill my duties.

                If your boss at work does not fulfill his duties, but scolds you for not fulfilling his, how long will you work for this office? Personally, I changed my place very quickly in such cases ... Of course, you can’t change your homeland, but there are more than enough questions for the bosses ...
                1. -16
                  29 September 2022 14: 01
                  And where does the Motherland and the boss have to do with it? You can’t change the Motherland, it’s easy to change the boss, you just need to respect yourself and continue to calmly fulfill your duties.
                  1. +22
                    29 September 2022 15: 43
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    You can’t change your homeland, it’s easy to change your boss, you just need to respect yourself and continue to calmly fulfill your duties.

                    That's exactly what I'm talking about. About the boss, it was necessary to change him already 10 years ago.
                    1. -23
                      29 September 2022 15: 54
                      You don't like it, I'm satisfied with everything.
                      1. +16
                        29 September 2022 16: 01
                        And what can you like about emergency mobilization, and not we were attacked, but the Commander-in-Chief of the CAM began a special operation, which, of course, is going well, going according to plan.
                      2. +3
                        29 September 2022 17: 09
                        going according to plan.



                        Watch this video scary plan. Comments are interesting, including about grinding
                      3. +7
                        30 September 2022 02: 33
                        And against the backdrop of such events, Wagner PMCs are storming Artyomovsk ... When exactly this quality of infantry near Krasny Liman is lacking. What kind of offensives can we now talk about if, before the arrival of adequately prepared reserves, we need to sit on the defensive?
                        Beat on the logistics and infrastructure of the enemy. Until reserves come up.
                        And all cash reserves should be urgently directed to breaking the ticks around K. Liman.
                      4. +5
                        30 September 2022 07: 26
                        You don't like it, I'm satisfied with everything.

                        You think that you owe the state, but it doesn’t owe you, you approved when our leadership methodically ruined the army and turned it into what we see, you like everything so go to the draft board and fight, why talk in vain.
                        And I think that it is necessary to mobilize people like you, who like everything for the last 30 years.
                      5. -6
                        30 September 2022 07: 47
                        And I would mobilize you who don’t like it, we know how to criticize everything. It will not be disliked in the trench.
                      6. +7
                        30 September 2022 08: 34
                        Oh how! Do you like the fact that a mess is going on in the country for you and others should fight? No, my dear, if you please, be responsible for your actions and in the forefront in the trench, there and show how you like everything.
                        Or are you already scribbling comments like a real patriot from Georgia?
                      7. 0
                        30 September 2022 08: 51
                        No, not from Georgia, I don’t see a mess, there are flaws. There will be mobilization, I’ll go. I won’t hide. And I’ll scribble comments that everything is bad too. Since 2000, I see positive changes. once, sign only a contract for work. We measured the salary in our circle in centimeters by hundreds, and every year there were more of these centimeters and for a reason, our fish oligarch raised it. I saw the development of the industry, especially in recent years. Yes, there are problems, but they They decide. The oligarchs did not abandon their business from fish.
                      8. -2
                        30 September 2022 13: 14
                        You yourself, I hope, are in a trench? Or do you only know how to wag your tongue?
                      9. -2
                        30 September 2022 13: 38
                        Deep-water, we will cut off the oxygen, you will breathe in one place! lol
                      10. -2
                        30 September 2022 13: 41
                        This is a threat? And then look, you may not be lucky and we really will meet laughing
                        PS. You did not answer my question, but judging by the evasion, you are an ordinary "heroic" balabolka
              2. +24
                29 September 2022 16: 47
                The state and its citizens enter into a social contract. All parties have rights and responsibilities. And if one of the parties does not fulfill its obligations or performs them poorly, then the other party has a theoretical right to satisfaction. The state can punish a citizen for non-compliance and even loves this matter in general, but a citizen cannot de facto do anything with the state, hence this passive resistance ..
                And another moment. Do these "running" ones break any laws? If we have absolutely officially all officials (Speaker Volodin, Peskov, a number of other persons) declare that the exit from the country is open and do what you want?
              3. 0
                30 September 2022 22: 12
                And they cry all the time: they pay little, I plow like a horse ... 54 years of experience. He earned bad money, worked part-time. They paid little, changed jobs ... Even now, in my 70s, I work and get good money. We must love our work, and not settle down and serve. IT IS NECESSARY TO WORK, and not ... tryndet.
            2. +10
              30 September 2022 04: 07
              Let's dive deeper then.


              And let's dig further, many have questions. And why is the light still on in Kuev, decision-making centers continue to work, equipment from the West goes straight to the front, the US and the EU feel at ease and the people of Russia should pay for all this? Betrayal, dogovronyak, cowardice of power or what?
              1. -2
                1 October 2022 12: 51
                Or "what". Russia is not at war with the civilian population and is trying to avoid casualties among them. Unfortunately, we are not the beacon of democracy. War in Iraq: losses from the Iraqi side: military 18 killed, civilians from 692 thousand killed.
            3. -4
              1 October 2022 12: 43
              Can I have a list of what the state owes you? I would copy and present. I apologize for plagiarism, but I can't think of it myself. Old already, over 64 has exceeded.
              1. +1
                2 October 2022 15: 02
                I wrote about this already, about the pensions of the security forces.
                Any of them, pensioners, will calculate the specific unpaid amount for you from the moment of exit.
            4. 0
              1 October 2022 21: 10
              Let's dig deeper. At first, recruits served in the Russian Empire for 25 years, when they retired, by age or injury, they were assigned to disabled companies. Those who could not serve were placed in care homes, under the supervision of monasteries. When mass armies went in the second half of the 19th century, peasant communities took care of the families of those killed in battles. The country was agrarian and most of the soldiers were peasants. In Soviet times, special legislation was adopted on military invalids and the families of the dead. But this, one might say, is the attitude of society and the legislation of bygone eras. There is no community, no large multi-level families, the traditional family is being destroyed, militant egoism is triumphant.
              1. 0
                8 October 2022 18: 02
                Quote: SavranP
                Let's dig deeper. At first, recruits served in the Russian Empire for 25 years, when they retired, by age or injury,
                Peter 1 - created a recruiting service in the army since 1705 - service life "as long as strength and health allow"
                Peter 3 installed in 1762g life time 25 years.
                hi
        4. +25
          29 September 2022 11: 55
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Why, when the mobilization was announced, they did not impose a ban on the exit of persons subject to mobilization?

          What for? They don't know what to do with those who voluntarily came to the RVC.

          Mobilized from the Perm Territory were thrown into an open field without support - people organize themselves, they were not even given food

          The mobilized from Berezniki in the Perm Territory were unloaded in an open field - there is no stove or tents on site, the men are forced to spend the night in the open. In addition, they were not even given dry rations - people end up using what they brought from home.

          "No one is waiting! This is how bags stand, Maidans, a line of buses. They didn't even give me a tent with a stove! Spend the night in the field, and don't care, no one needs anyone! - said one of the mobilized.

          The man notes that they were “driven into the field like sheep” and left to fend for themselves. Now the mobilized themselves organize a group and try to improve life in the field. They are promised to bring everything necessary for the camp only tomorrow.

          There is a video on the TG channel. It's not fake.
          So tell me who's responsible for all this?
          1. +34
            29 September 2022 12: 14
            Quote: Zoer
            There is a video on the TG channel. It's not fake.

            I know. My mobilized friends also speak. Power is impotent in this too. Stalin's words that the cadres decide everything Putin does not remember .....
            1. +25
              29 September 2022 12: 29
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Stalin's words that the cadres decide everything Putin does not remember .....

              By no means! It’s just that VVP had other tasks for 20 years, and he recruited appropriate personnel for them, namely those loyal to the vertical and to him personally. Results on the face.
              1. -4
                1 October 2022 13: 01
                Yeah. On the face. I know. In the 90s, who needed me with my red diploma, but in the 2000s for some reason I was needed. Now I understand. It turns out Putin needed. And the results are simply terrible: before you look into the yard: emptiness. Park wherever you want, if there is anything. And now there is no place closer than a couple of blocks. Horror.
                1. +3
                  1 October 2022 21: 10
                  Hello employee Olginsky)))
                  Only the lowest troll can credit Putin's people, human beings in megacities, without any intelligible infrastructure. At the same time, without thinking at all about the bending of the regions.
                  In short, tell me troll, is there life beyond the Moscow Ring Road?
          2. +12
            29 September 2022 13: 31
            Once again, they will ask for understanding and forgiveness.
            1. +1
              4 October 2022 15: 00
              AdAstra. The people stopped trusting the authorities. The youth are always the first to resist. So it was in France, so it was in the States and other countries. They did not want to run, they resisted inside. These fugitives cannot do this either, they are afraid of the protection created by the authorities, similar to the royal one.
          3. -21
            29 September 2022 14: 18
            we take 20 men, dress accordingly. way + the desired voice acting and go ahead - shoot wherever you want and at the same time name any place of the event. There is no connection to the area
            1. +15
              29 September 2022 14: 35
              Quote: james
              we take 20 men, dress accordingly. way + the desired voice acting and go ahead - shoot wherever you want and at the same time name any place of the event. There is no connection to the area

              Well, identify these 20 men with an operator and plant them for discrediting the army.
        5. +6
          29 September 2022 12: 09
          because for this you need to have good managerial competencies that allow you to see the whole range of measures necessary for carrying out and, accordingly, to carry out them in a timely and comprehensive manner. this is the cost of nepotism.
        6. +32
          29 September 2022 12: 44
          In March-April, it became clear that there was definitely not enough strength. We start mobilization in May.
          1 month to collect supplies
          2-3 summer months for training
          Already now there would be a trained, well-coordinated army. With rear services ready for a new wave of mobilization.
          But no. Need now. In the rain and cold, at night it is already minus in the central lane. On the unfinished infrastructure, problems with uniforms, with the terrible situation on the fronts, half-empty warehouses of armored vehicles and shells. In summer, you can sleep outside without any problems, it is easier with training and hygiene. Mass illnesses, frostbite will now begin, many will remain at the assembly points. When mass videos from dandies go, people can stand on their hind legs.
          For me personally, there is a definite answer to Pavel Milyukov's question.
          1. -4
            29 September 2022 19: 00
            Why do you think that in May it would be different? What has changed in half a year people?
          2. +12
            30 September 2022 08: 06
            I fully support your comment. You can go even further. Mob reserve is about 20 million. Why didn't they attend to the preparation of the reserve in peacetime? After all, everything was clear from the age of 14. During this time, it was possible to introduce full-fledged reservists, conduct training, create a mat base. There is a person. He works, has a family and children, but he is in the first category in case of mobilization. Why not spend the time he is in the reserve training for a new VUS? To oblige employers to release such reservists for full training and that they do not lose their average earnings over the past 3 months. Come up with some buns for participation and training. Perhaps then fewer people would have left, because you simply knew how to fight
          3. -2
            1 October 2022 04: 15
            Mass illnesses, frostbites will now begin, many will remain at the assembly points. When mass videos from dandies go, people can stand on their hind legs.

            Will they run away from the batons of the riot police and take selfies in paddy wagons like bulkers? laughing
            1. 0
              2 October 2022 22: 36
              If you were collected and thrown out into an open field, no one knows where and no one knows why, before explaining that YOU are really needed - what would be the reaction?
        7. +5
          29 September 2022 13: 10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Why, when the mobilization was announced, they did not impose a ban on the exit of persons subject to mobilization?
          Because they don't want to get unrest right up to civil war. Isn't it clear?
          1. +14
            29 September 2022 13: 32
            And what about the confidence of VG in almost 90%? It turns out this is not true?
        8. TIR
          -3
          29 September 2022 21: 34
          Don't you see what contingent ran? After all, these are not poor people, since they suddenly rushed to run away. There is still something to live for. And not one month. This is precisely the stratum that is afraid of war, because they kill there, but are not afraid to take to the streets and rage without being afraid of riot police. And in the information field, out of fear, they will shake the country better than bots from Ukraine. Once g..no ran, it's better not to touch them. In war, these are definitely not needed.
        9. +4
          30 September 2022 13: 35
          Dedicated to those who left the mobilization
          I had a terrible dream last night...
          And in him I saw very clearly - the son of Zhirinovsky is a soldier, and Lavrov's daughter is a nurse.
          Here they are running with machine guns, two daughters of Putin are on the attack, and pulling the trigger, they shout, ,, for the Motherland, for the Pope!
          Here the tank is burning on its side, and in it is Medvedev's son, and the daughter of the brave Shoigu takes him to the dignity of the block.
          Zyuganov's grandson, Zyuganov's son, Vali Matvienko's heir - all went to the front as one, so that the brothers would not join NATO!
          The Kovalchuks and Rotenbergs are running in the ranks nearby, and Miller is rushing to break into the flank with the Gazprom detachment!
          He opened his eyes and then closed them, what a fantasy is going on!?
          Probably in vain I watched TV, that's crap like that and dream ...
      2. -2
        29 September 2022 12: 25
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Are those who served in the army fleeing?

        Most of them did not serve in the army and mobilization does not threaten them,
        these are remote employees of Western firms, with knowledge of languages, good salaries, the employer sets them a condition - to continue working to leave Russia and indicates the direction, that is, this is a planned action.
        Our people are now setting up military registration and enlistment offices at border crossings, weeding out those who really fall under mobilization, and the rest are released without any problems.
        1. +5
          29 September 2022 14: 01
          Quote: Andobor
          these are remote employees of Western firms, with knowledge of languages, good salaries, the employer sets them a condition - to continue working to leave Russia and indicates the direction, that is, this is a planned action.

          No, this contingent dumped in all sorts of Armenia in the summer. These are already Rublev's and other "successful" ones. However, there are enough other categories, such as bloggers and other non-poor freelancers.
          1. -2
            29 September 2022 14: 07
            Quote: Zoer
            No, this contingent dumped in all sorts of Armenia in the summer.

            Yes, they fell at the beginning of the NWO, they were afraid of a break in communication, the connection - the Internet did not break, and they have all returned, I know from the facts.
            1. 0
              29 September 2022 15: 44
              Quote: Andobor
              Yes, they fell at the beginning of the NWO, they were afraid of a break in communication, the connection - the Internet did not break, and they have all returned, I know from the facts.

              No, they fell because foreign employers told them so if they want to keep their jobs. And they haven't returned anywhere yet.
            2. -1
              30 September 2022 13: 17
              None of my friends returned. Two came for the summer, but have already returned back
      3. +25
        29 September 2022 13: 06
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        One question interests me: how many of them are servicemen?
        Are those who served in the army fleeing?

        In the first place, mobilization was late, at least three months. Secondly, tell me, does it make sense if the war continues to be waged according to Putin, namely undercover agreements and a game of giveaway? We decided how to act like the cold ones, then let them learn decisiveness from them, they don’t throw empty words into the wind, and ours, having the opportunity, only drew red lines. And most importantly, as it is written in the epigraph to the article
        But since we risk being killed,
        I would like to at least know
        in the name of what.
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 20: 42
          This "drawer" simply has no other ink. Yes, there is not much...
      4. +42
        29 September 2022 13: 41
        Are those who served in the army fleeing?

        And let's estimate the thoughts that come to the mind of any normal person?

        So I honestly served my own, giving the state a year of life. And then two. That is, he fulfilled his duty. Further - the state has been telling us for 30 years that professionals should fight. Well - besides the immediate threat to the country, which one seems to be missing so far? These professionals under epaulettes with decent salaries are nonetheless a significant part of the male population .. If you count all types of security forces, of all stripes ..

        But they take me - for some reason! Not professionals.. I'm leaving my home, my family, my job, my business.. I'm risking my life. Why? Just because at one time he did not excuse himself from the army ?? And those who did it - it turns out that they are not subject to mobilization? Cool layout..

        And what comes out? Many of those who, it would seem, on duty should first of all take part in hostilities, will not do this. Those who scored on the debt to the Motherland and got off at one time - too. And under the distribution - those who were a normal citizen, and their own - seem to have already plowed .. And more, besides a really big war, it seems like they don’t owe anything to anyone .. Those who owe, either did not serve, or even receive a salary precisely for protection - they will not take part in this ..

        AND? Where is the elementary justice? Of course, one can consider such moods as defeatist or even treacherous - but they ironically arise in all those who are called. And therefore - the authorities should have given some intelligible answer to them .. Isn't it?
        1. +24
          29 September 2022 14: 05
          Quote: paul3390
          If you count all types of security forces, of all stripes ..

          Look what you want!!! What would the authorities inside the country leave themselves without bayonets in such a difficult period? You bring confusion, however !!!
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          1. +14
            29 September 2022 19: 04
            I swear to sacredly observe the Constitution of the Russian Federation - the constitution and its articles are primary, all other laws are derivatives of it. And we don’t give a damn about how many articles.
          2. 0
            30 September 2022 13: 18
            Is this the constitution that was rewritten on stumps? Thanks, but let's go without me!
        3. +22
          29 September 2022 16: 21
          Quote: paul3390
          Just because at one time he did not excuse himself from the army ?? And those who did it - it turns out that they are not subject to mobilization?

          Those who have become (category B, specialty 999, as well as the military department) are also now in a nervous mood.
          Quote: paul3390
          Further - the state has been telling us for 30 years that professionals should fight

          Not only. For decades, the state has been hammering into the head (and quite brutally) - "sit quietly and everything will be fine with you" / "pay and everything will be fine with you." And then all of a sudden, those who sat and paid became completely abnormal - and why on earth? Not only did ingenious geopolitics create a mountain of inconvenience - so now, hello, please, take a rifle in your hands and go to the front of a small victorious war with NATO.

          There were some questions to the policy of the state, it seems.
      5. -17
        29 September 2022 15: 07
        Mostly lebertans and mother's sons are running, and oddly enough, all Bloggers of Ur are patriots and Natsiks with them to boot.
        Mikhail Lazutin was engaged in the fight for a healthy lifestyle, humiliating vacationers with alcohol in their hands on camera
        The patriot, athlete and thunderstorm of all vacationers on Bolotnaya Square in Moscow, Lev Against, left the country in connection with the announced partial mobilization. Mikhail Lazutin, known online as Leo Against, was engaged in the struggle for a healthy lifestyle, humiliating vacationers with alcohol in their hands on camera. The Patriot left the Motherland when she really began to need protection. This was not at all expected by the people allocating money for his projects.
        Roman Romanov prefers to write from Yerevan with the beginning of the NWO, he is abroad, which is reported with enthusiasm by Azerbaijani Telegram channels

        So, with such Patriots, we don’t need enemies.
        1. +10
          29 September 2022 15: 32
          The "February" patriots, who were ready to get at least a Z tattoo on their chest, are running away too. I don’t know how much, in percentage terms I hope less, but they also run quite well.
          1. +1
            30 September 2022 07: 37
            Yes, this is the truth of life, what can you do
          2. -1
            30 September 2022 13: 19
            That's the first thing I'd take!
    2. +15
      29 September 2022 11: 30
      everything is not so simple ... So, in 1917, the Tsar-Father took and renounced Mother Russia, betraying all honest monarchists. In 1991, the General Secretary similarly "renounced" the Indestructible Union, betraying all honest communists...

      The problem of Russian self-schism and self-betrayal was born "the goblin knows when" and will not die with us.

      PS: "I'm going around the circle of history - Stirlitz thought - but that's right ... IN A SPIRAL."
    3. -22
      29 September 2022 12: 16
      An attempt to justify the escapees. The author walked like a fox around grapes in the article)
      I have to protect my family, which may be left without a livelihood, or I have to go to war for ...
      for the family and fight. This is how it should continue after the ellipsis. And everything falls into place. No need for omissions. Do those who go have no families or children? The current situation makes it clear who is who and what breathes.
      1. +26
        29 September 2022 15: 18
        who is who and what breathes
        Well said! Now tell us about the children of the government. children of deputies. sent to the front. Or give as an example the regiment that Rotenberg assembled ...
        1. -10
          29 September 2022 15: 27
          Quote: Gardamir
          who is who and what breathes
          Well said! Now tell us about the children of the government. children of deputies. sent to the front. Or give as an example the regiment that Rotenberg assembled ...

          Already told
        2. +3
          29 September 2022 16: 33
          In St. Petersburg "SKA" the guys are young, athletic, and have a relationship with the army laughing
        3. +3
          30 September 2022 14: 47
          By the way. Why haven't the oligarchs been probed yet? No need for salaries, uniforms, weapons, rations, medicines. There is a video on the network where the mobilized were left in the field, without a roof over their heads, without food. If only a warehouse was rented for accommodation.
    4. +16
      29 September 2022 12: 44
      Ivan 222. Have you even read this oath? And there are the words "I am ready, on the orders of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland ..." Was there such an order? Then you better shut up.
    5. +8
      29 September 2022 14: 03
      Quote: ivan2022
      The problem was born exactly when
      The Russian people were divided into parts.
      1. +9
        29 September 2022 14: 30
        Quote: Dart2027
        the Russian people were divided into parts

        Isn't it fucking, to which Putin wears flowers to his grave every year? wink
        1. -2
          29 September 2022 15: 33
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Isn't this fucking

          So he created Ukraine?
          1. -1
            3 October 2022 07: 45
            Quote: Dart2027
            So he created Ukraine?

            Bad memory? It was EBN that created Ukraine as a state, on the Belovezhskaya conspiracy
            1. 0
              3 October 2022 19: 21
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Bad memory?

              It was Lenin who created Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a people when he seized power.
    6. +9
      29 September 2022 14: 38
      The problem was born exactly when the current pence betrayed the Soviet oath.
      It will be right, when the majority of current pence betrayed the Soviet oath, there were 423 of us who did not betray the Soviet oath. Do not speak for everyone.
    7. -17
      29 September 2022 15: 51
      """.... Formally and legally, in this conflict, Russia is the attacking (?!) side. With all the ensuing risks of such an interpretation and their consequences...."".
      ------------
      Russia - the attacking side??? I don’t understand .... What is this ??? Formally legal?? Is it possible in Russian? How many times can we warn such unfortunate authors that during the war we write well or nothing about our country ??? Why does VO provide a platform for such alarmist authors?
      1. AUL
        +5
        29 September 2022 20: 57
        Quote from Romanovski
        How many times can we warn such unfortunate authors that during the war we write well or nothing about our country ???

        This is about the dead, and you obviously hurried to bury the country!
    8. -2
      29 September 2022 20: 33
      There are many grandfathers. Are you talking about Yelets, Gorb or Chubais?
    9. +6
      29 September 2022 21: 26
      Quote: ivan2022
      current pence betrayed the Soviet oath. In 1991

      Milok, first of all, take a look around - everything (except Moscow City) was built by us, "pennies". For whom and with whom were we supposed to go "in mortal combat"? For the forerunner of Biden - L.I. Brezhnev, who fed all the African and Afghan brothers? For the "heroes" of the five-year funeral plan"? For Gorbachev's idle talk? The Soviet army, having become Russian, did not swear allegiance to anyone. We stood in defense of the Motherland and did not raise weapons against our own people. It is not our fault, but our misfortune that in the Kremlin, and in the whole the top of the CPSU did not find either Lenin or Stalin, and the power was picked up by a non-drying uncle.
    10. 0
      1 October 2022 09: 39
      smart guy was so betrayed in Moscow, don’t talk about the whole country and why pennies.
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  3. +45
    29 September 2022 11: 10
    Just the case, it is better to remain silent and not mind! Who does not agree, let him look at our elite and power. One has long been wound up against its homeland, and the second is messing up, and it’s clearly somehow purposeful. Yes, and our Guarantor with the Minister of Defense looks like a pity!
    1. -41
      29 September 2022 11: 13
      So go ahead, to the front then. Who interferes?
      1. +5
        29 September 2022 11: 31
        So go ahead, to the front then. Who interferes?
        On which front did you mean? Lithium17 describes the flaws of the authorities, so your comment can be interpreted quite dangerously for you. It's no secret that the media monitors a little.
      2. -14
        29 September 2022 16: 45
        How many bots are grazing here. On the truth, the cons put
        1. -1
          1 October 2022 21: 55
          There are bots here, but it's different. It's just that blessed patriots are not welcome here
    2. -23
      29 September 2022 11: 17
      Quote: lithium17
      Yes, and our Guarantor with the Minister of Defense looks like a pity!

      On the background of whom?
      1. -9
        29 September 2022 11: 27
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        On the background of whom?

        There is not much to compare with anyone from the modern politicum.
        All comparisons will be in favor of the hated GDP.
        And with historical figures - it's pointless.
        Probably, they are compared with their own figure, competent, honest and incorruptible.
        1. +29
          29 September 2022 11: 44
          Quote: Flood
          And with historical figures - it's pointless.

          Why? Here, not so long ago, the Zaputinites mocked at how mobilization is carried out in Ukraine, but a few months later it turned out that we are no better, if not worse. Who is guilty? In my opinion, the captain of the ship is to blame, in which the navigator who messed up is transferred to the place of the first mate, and is not thrown overboard.
          PS And now the Zaputins sing "Ave Caesar", they are all God's dew. (I'm not talking about you, but about those who are higher)
          1. -5
            29 September 2022 11: 51
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Why?

            Because other times - other customs.
            And we ourselves are different. Not Stakhanovites and not activists.
            Consumer Society.
            Let's compare ourselves with our grandfathers and great-grandfathers to begin with.
            I'm afraid the comparison will not be in our favor.

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            zaputintsy and now "Ave Caesar" sing, they are all God's dew

            You have the whole of Russian society divided into sane people, to whom you consider yourself, and zaputintsev.
            Longing is green.
            1. +6
              29 September 2022 12: 22
              Quote: Flood
              society is divided into sane, to whom you consider yourself, and zaputintsev.

              The first majority. Listen to the last Strelkov, I almost always agreed with him, and now even more so. Even today, he talks about my attitude to GDP.
              1. -13
                29 September 2022 12: 32
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Even today, he talks about my attitude to GDP.

                I didn't write a word "about attitude to GDP".
                If your personal dislike does not allow you to recognize the fact that Putin stands out from the background of modern politicians, then this is normal.
                Subjective perception has never helped to think objectively.
                1. +26
                  29 September 2022 12: 47
                  Quote: Flood
                  If personal hostility does not allow you to admit the fact that Putin stands out from the background of modern politicians,

                  What stands out? The fact that he does not keep his words? Or the fact that he does not give up his own, contrary to the laws of common sense and the precepts of Lee Kuan Yew?
                  1. -14
                    29 September 2022 12: 52
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    What stands out? The fact that he does not keep his words?

                    To answer your question, you need to compare with specific persons.
                    Give me your name and I'll answer.
                    1. +8
                      29 September 2022 13: 27
                      Quote: Flood
                      To answer your question, you need to compare with specific persons.
                      Give me your name and I'll answer.

                      Zelensky. Lukashenka)))
                  2. -16
                    29 September 2022 14: 19
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    The fact that he does not keep his words? Or those that do not give up their own,

                    Girkin, that you are praising your words here, also does not keep ... but nevertheless, you almost look into his mouth.
                    1. +6
                      29 September 2022 14: 37
                      Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                      Girkin that you are praising your words here also does not keep ..

                      What is he wrong, point by point, you can hear? Since February 24 in particular?
                      1. -14
                        29 September 2022 15: 01
                        I'm talking about keeping words ... he promised as soon as the liberation of Donbass began to go at least to the rank and file, and what was the result?
                      2. +11
                        29 September 2022 15: 08
                        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                        I'm talking about keeping words ... he promised as soon as the liberation of Donbass began to go at least to the rank and file, and what was the result?

                        And you were interested in how many thresholds he beat?
                        He is strictly forbidden to appear in the Donbass.
                        He had already been detained for trying to get there.
                        Do you have anything to say about his criticism of the so-called SVO?
                      3. -14
                        29 September 2022 15: 09
                        What are you? But he himself said at the same time on camera that he was not going anywhere and no one was detaining him ... and in order to go as a private, it’s not at all necessary to knock on someone’s thresholds, he could simply go to volunteers in the LDNR troops or to the same “Wagnerites” ...
                2. +6
                  29 September 2022 13: 38
                  So there is no one to compare him to. Against the background of EBN and MSG, he still somehow looks, and if you look at the Soviet past, it is very faded against the background, for example, of the same Khrushchev.
                  1. -12
                    29 September 2022 14: 13
                    Khrushchev? Are you talking about corn, about the Nazis set free, about crushed artels and small private traders, about exorbitant taxes on the villagers ... but no, you are probably talking about banging your shoe on the podium at the UN ... Or about catching up and overtaking?
                    1. +2
                      29 September 2022 14: 32
                      I'm talking about the downing of Mr. Powers and others like him, etc. etc.
                      1. -12
                        29 September 2022 15: 20
                        What are these? Well, so what, so since then there hasn’t been a single plane in our airspace except for Rust and there isn’t ... by the way, Pauls was returned home.
                      2. -3
                        29 September 2022 17: 18
                        In exchange for our intelligence officer or a US citizen-oligarch who is not clear from which side he was attached to the USSR?
                      3. -3
                        30 September 2022 07: 34
                        Nevertheless, after all, they returned home alive and well. How dare you.
                    2. +9
                      29 September 2022 18: 04
                      Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                      Khrushchev? Are you talking about corn, about the Nazis set free, about crushed artels and small private traders, about exorbitant taxes on the villagers ... but no, you are probably talking about banging your shoe on the podium at the UN ... Or about catching up and overtaking?

                      And also satellite, space, Gagarin's flight, a worthy way out of the Caribbean crisis, and with all the folly and adventurism - a fairly prosperous life for the Soviet people. I believe that you have listed absolutely everything bad, but you can still list the good and pleasant for a long time. Hockey for example laughing
                    3. +2
                      29 September 2022 19: 09
                      about the Nazis set free, about the crushed artels and small private traders, about exorbitant taxes
                      This is about what times?
              2. +1
                29 September 2022 13: 26
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Listen to the last Strelkov, I almost always agreed with him, and now even more so

                About the "deserters" and all that nonsense?
              3. -17
                29 September 2022 14: 17
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Listen to the last Strelkov, I almost always agreed with him

                What is Girkin famous for? He has two achievements, the surrender of Slavyansk and an attempt, fortunately unsuccessful, of Donetsk ...
          2. -15
            29 September 2022 14: 09
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Why? Here, not so long ago, the Zaputins mocked at how mobilization is carried out in Ukraine, but

            What do we have, grab on the streets, the military can be on duty in stores to hand over subpoenas? Look, from those who want to dump entire queues at the borders and no one wraps them up. So your example is just an example.
            1. +16
              29 September 2022 14: 27
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              There, from those who want to dump entire queues at the borders and no one wraps them up

              Do you want to imagine gomno cakes? This is another moment loved by the authorities. The military registration and enlistment offices were absolutely not ready, temporary accommodation points, too, training in the aher from the influx of mobilized people, they don’t know what to do with them. And you, like a marquise ....
              1. -14
                29 September 2022 15: 24
                Do you have evidence that they do not know what to do? And about temporary accommodation points ...
              2. 0
                29 September 2022 17: 19
                And from October 1, there is also an urgent call. """
        2. +15
          29 September 2022 13: 15
          Quote: Flood
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          On the background of whom?

          There is not much to compare with anyone from the modern politicum.
          All comparisons will be in favor of the hated GDP.
          And with historical figures - it's pointless.
          Probably, they are compared with their own figure, competent, honest and incorruptible.

          Tell me, what do empty threats and useless "red lines" look like, and at first they believed and were afraid, and then realizing that it was just chatter. stopped taking it seriously.
          1. -13
            29 September 2022 14: 22
            Can you compare with someone or not? With Scholz, Biden, Macron, Xi Jinping?
            1. +21
              29 September 2022 14: 50
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              Can you compare with someone or not? With Scholz, Biden, Macron, Xi Jinping?

              I can, they carry out their threats as best they can, and Comrade Xi, unlike Putin, does not sell raw materials into the pocket of his friends, but develops industry, the army and navy, and mind you, without idle chatter.
              1. -18
                29 September 2022 14: 58
                What are you? Maybe I missed something and China showed "Kuzkin's mother" to the States in response to the visits of their officials to Taiwan? And the factories for the Chinese were built not by the Chinese at all, but by the Japanese, Koreans, Americans, Europeans ...
                1. +12
                  29 September 2022 15: 06
                  Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                  What are you? Maybe I missed something and China showed "Kuzkin's mother" to the States in response to the visits of their officials to Taiwan?

                  So officials and Xi personally did not threaten them, unlike ours. They silently and fruitfully do their work.
                  1. -9
                    29 September 2022 15: 15
                    Hmm ... and we have that Putin promised to shoot someone? As for the prisoners, he didn’t promise anything to anyone at all ... and I don’t remember something about the “red lines” that he painted what these lines are.
          2. -7
            29 September 2022 18: 31
            Quote: lis-ik
            Tell me what empty threats and useless "red lines" look like

            In comparison with what?
            That’s what I wrote about.
            But you didn't want to understand.

            Quote: Flood
            There is not much to compare with anyone from the modern politicum.
        3. +7
          29 September 2022 14: 09
          Quote: Flood
          All comparisons will be in favor of the hated GDP

          Well, not all, but only with Khokhlatsky. The rest are much better than ours. Just let's not talk about expensive heating and fuel. Everyone will survive there, unlike our belligerents and mobilized.
      2. +16
        29 September 2022 11: 39
        Well, let's say - against the background of Stalin, who sent children to war (like many other leaders) and against the background of Zhukov, for example.
        1. -18
          29 September 2022 14: 25
          Is Zhukov a politician? Putin has no sons, he has daughters. So the example is not correct.
          1. +11
            29 September 2022 14: 33
            1. In the original comment, the NHS was also indicated, therefore your answer is not appropriate.
            2. Yes, Putin means not only himself, the entire elite ... the husbands / young people of his daughters, his adopted son (conditionally hypothetically), nephews, etc. - well, at least one was mobilized?
            Well, just take the top 1000 top officials and deputies of the country - well, at least someone got himself or his relatives or went as volunteers?
            And then take 1000 ordinary people at random and compare the results...
            1. -15
              29 September 2022 15: 05
              There are deputies, as well as the dead children of top officials ... there is data on the Internet. There is and will not be information about the living but fighting by itself.
              1. +8
                29 September 2022 15: 15
                1. I searched - I couldn’t find it (I think, if there are, then these are the children of generals from the Duma, who were already officers and continue to serve. And we are talking about mobilized). Do not share the sources of the information you specified?
                2. Why is this? It seems that he did not ask either about the unit or about the place of deployment - what is the secret in what to say - the son of Ivan Ivanov, who holds the *** position, was called up for mobilization and went to the place of service?
                1. -2
                  30 September 2022 09: 24
                  GO AWAY, I WILL COVER": 23-YEAR-OLD SON OF THE DEPUTY GOVERNOR DIE HEROICALLY IN UKRAINE
                  "Children of officials will never go to defend the country," said the liberals... The father of the hero Georgy Dudorov, Alexander Dudorov, works as deputy governor of the Nenets Autonomous Okrug. His 23-year-old son served in one of Russia's best airborne divisions, whose soldiers are today liberating Ukraine from the Nazis.
                  There are still dead top officials, but too lazy to insert into messages. I can say that they were looking badly.
                  1. +1
                    30 September 2022 09: 51
                    1. He was an officer and did not go to serve on mobilization.
                    2. The deputy governor does not belong to the top 1000 in any way.
                    3. Are these two examples of middle-level officials all you could find?
                    1. -1
                      30 September 2022 10: 35
                      You are not satisfied with the fact that the fact that the children of officials have been mobilized has not yet been covered in the media. I think there is no need to cover it, Prince Harry's service in Afghanistan was hidden. After being discovered, he was immediately taken out of Afghanistan. Another thing is the death of relatives of top officials. You do not like the examples of regional officials, but another example: "The nephew of Deputy Minister of Defense Yevkurov posthumously became the youngest Hero of Russia from Ingushetia."
                      And in general, who belongs to the TOP-1000, and do they have anyone to mobilize? In my city, for every 600 people, there are about 100 top officials (of which about 30 are women). Only 11 of them I found sons (husbands) of a suitable age. Three of them are already in service. There are 130 thousand people in the city. in military registration. Why should the children of top officials be mobilized. Do they have the most suitable military specialties?
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                      2. -1
                        30 September 2022 10: 49
                        That is, you cannot offer anything constructive, except that they are all "bad"?
                2. +1
                  30 September 2022 09: 25
                  The first deputy head of the international committee of the Federation Council Vladimir Dzhabarov expressed his condolences to the deputy head of the government of the Jewish Autonomous Region Maria Kostyuk, whose son died during a special operation in Ukraine.
      3. +3
        29 September 2022 12: 59
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        On the background of whom?

        Against the background of themselves, preoperative.
    3. +14
      29 September 2022 12: 12
      there is a suspicion that a break in the pattern has begun and an unwillingness to believe that you are not such a brilliant strategist, as the courtiers have been pouring into your ears for 20 years already.
    4. -13
      29 September 2022 12: 26
      For you elite Makarevich, Galkin?
      1. +2
        29 September 2022 13: 29
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Give a list of oligarchs and ministers who hit the road?

        And what, before that they were in Russia?
        1. -3
          29 September 2022 13: 52
          The question is who has hit the road from the oligarchs and the government? Yours is off topic!
          1. +7
            29 September 2022 13: 59
            Where could Abramovich or Usmanov have gone if they had hardly been in Russia for many years before?
          2. +4
            29 September 2022 14: 13
            Quote: tralflot1832
            The question is who has hit the road from the oligarchs and the government? Yours is off topic!

            Since they will hit the road if they are under sanctions and have not been allowed entry for 5 years.
          3. +8
            29 September 2022 14: 59
            Quote: tralflot1832
            The question is who has hit the road from the oligarchs and the government? Yours is off topic!

            Chubais is not enough?
            1. -11
              29 September 2022 15: 07
              Does the redhead have factories and ships in Russia? Failed.
              1. +12
                29 September 2022 15: 36
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Does the redhead have factories and ships in Russia?

                Chubais had much more without steamship factories than many with factories.
                1. -11
                  29 September 2022 15: 57
                  And what bothered you, you said here that in the 90s you were a car mechanic and received very well. You could buy an apartment in a couple of months.
                  1. +11
                    29 September 2022 16: 11
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    .For a couple of months they could buy an apartment.

                    Don't whistle, herring catcher.
                    1. +6
                      29 September 2022 21: 09
                      Not just a herring catcher. Perhaps this is a whole Internet team of a trolling ship in the information sea ... winked
  4. +14
    29 September 2022 11: 11
    Article is correct hi There is something to think about recourse
    1. +6
      29 September 2022 11: 29
      I thought about it, and the question arose, from the fact that this exemplary family man is now hiding in Georgia, will his family be better now?
      1. +3
        29 September 2022 12: 11
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        From the fact that this exemplary family man is now hiding in Georgia, will his family be better now?

        such people are not accustomed to standing in lines ... such people used to stand behind iPhones smile
      2. 0
        29 September 2022 13: 22
        And in the future, the criminal liability of the one who slacked off
      3. -2
        29 September 2022 13: 29
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        From the fact that this exemplary family man is now hiding in Georgia, will his family be better now?

        Better than what?
        1. -1
          29 September 2022 13: 57
          He is unlikely to find work in a foreign land, of course, if not a patented Russophobe. Consider that you have lost your breadwinner, you will have to live on previously earned money.
          1. +1
            29 September 2022 15: 56
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            He is unlikely to find work in a foreign land, of course, if not a patented Russophobe.

            From what fright? Kazakhstan in terms of population and size of the economy is approximately Moscow. As for Georgia or more distant places, people who have such opportunities went there back in February, including for remote work.
    2. +27
      29 September 2022 11: 46
      Unfortunately, our government took over from the USSR all the worst, discarding all the best. The shameful practice of hushing up any problems and sweeping them under the carpet was adopted in the best possible way and even modernized (for example, the law on concealing losses in peacetime, and after all, NVO is peacetime), outright lies of officials from young to old (the governor says that we we supply the conscripts with everything they need additionally, and at the same time, from the location where the mobilized are trained, infa comes that they buy most of all the equipment at their own expense, well, at least they were smart enough to slap those who took away what they bought at their own expense), an outright lie Ministry of Defense that everything is going according to plan. When you are deceived once - you still believe that this will not happen the second time, after the second time this measure becomes less, and then after a dozen times it is very difficult to believe the talking heads from the TV.
      United Russia manifestos from the early 2000s, you can not even remember what fairy tales were written there, but these are the official promises of the ruling party. Of the last major kidkov - a promise not to raise the retirement age, a promise that there will be only a professional army in the SVO, a promise that there will be no mobilization, a promise to try Azov bandits, a promise to carry out death sentences for mercenaries, a promise that mobilization will follow certain rules , they will be called up only for certain VUS and only those who served and have combat experience, and so on.
      It seems that people in power sincerely believe that the country is inhabited by 142 million people who do not think with their brains, but eat knowledge from the first channel. And people apparently don’t have a memory either, they can once again be promised something new, but no one remembers the old anymore.
      1. 0
        1 October 2022 04: 43
        When you are deceived once - you still believe that this will not happen the second time, after the second time this measure becomes less, and then after a dozen times it is very difficult to believe the talking heads from the TV

        If a person goes to the same place for years to buy shit pies, then this person is not a simple-minded victim of deception, but a hardened shit eater
  5. +20
    29 September 2022 11: 15
    When the special operation began, my leader, a retired rear officer proudly said that if he was called, he would gladly go to war. More than six months passed, and after mobilization, with shaking hands, he lamented that he had a lot to do and had three children. And it’s impossible to go to war. And this is a former military man. And what do we expect from those who have not seen a machine gun.
    1. +10
      29 September 2022 11: 25
      This is a rear serviceman ... and this is the key, and he exclusively went to the army for money ..
      1. +5
        29 September 2022 13: 21
        Quote: zombirusrev
        This is a rear serviceman ... and this is the key, and he exclusively went to the army for money ..

        So fighting for the rear is the most. The risk by the nature of the service is not great, but the opportunities .....
    2. +7
      29 September 2022 11: 26
      Quote: ASAD
      When the special operation began, my leader, a retired rear officer proudly said that if he was called, he would gladly go to war. More than six months passed, and after mobilization, with shaking hands, he lamented that he had a lot to do and three children

      Yes, on VO such through one, everyone complains that no one calls, otherwise they would - uhh, as they showed to all the enemies, not like the current tribe in the fog of the blue sea.
    3. +3
      29 September 2022 11: 31
      Quote: ASAD
      my leader, a retired rear officer, proudly said that if he was called up, he would gladly go to war

      And at that moment, he certainly believed in himself.
      It's not hard to believe that he could heroically and selflessly...
      It's just not necessary, but if...
      And then came "if"
    4. +7
      29 September 2022 11: 32
      Quote: ASAD
      When the special operation began, my leader, a retired rear officer proudly said that if he was called, he would gladly go to war. More than six months passed, and after mobilization, with shaking hands, he lamented that he had a lot to do and had three children. And it’s impossible to go to war. And this is a former military man. And what do we expect from those who have not seen a machine gun.
      The news is recent
      Former midfielder of the Russian national team Diniyar Bilyaletdinov received a summons.
      This was announced by the father of the football player Rinat Bilyaletdinov.
      “Diniyar really received a summons. It is difficult to talk about emotions, because he did not serve, although he did military service, but it was specific, with a sports bias. It was 19 years ago.
      That is, yes, he took the oath, but served in the sports line. The law still says - to call people up to 35 years old, and he is 37, so there is some kind of inconsistency here.

      And by the way, Putin's confidant in the elections
      1. +2
        29 September 2022 21: 14
        Yes, they wrote that in his military registration and enlistment office they simply checked the data and that's it. Well, we can't, that's all...
    5. +2
      29 September 2022 20: 47
      Quote: ASAD
      When the special operation began, my leader, a retired rear officer proudly said that if he was called, he would gladly go to war. More than six months passed, and after mobilization, with shaking hands, he lamented that he had a lot to do and had three children. And it’s impossible to go to war. And this is a former military man. And what do we expect from those who have not seen a machine gun.

      Scary. Understand. What distinguishes a man from a ughm... Everyone is scared, but a man can overcome his fear, but ughm... no.
  6. -20
    29 September 2022 11: 17
    A lot of blah blah blah. It has long been known that if we had not started on February 24.02, the Balts would have climbed into Pechery, the Ivangorod region and the Pytalovsky district. Yes, and the Poles were going with the Lithuanians to overcome Kaliningrad. This is specifically written and written by the Western media. And then there would be a complete kaput. And for those who have children and who hide behind them, I advise you to remember what Ukrainians, Poles and the USA said. 25 million is enough for Russia.
    1. +9
      29 September 2022 11: 27
      The Balts and the Poles, I'm talking about the leadership, are certainly enemies, but not crazy enough to invade the territory of Russia. And the attitude of our people would be completely different.
      1. -15
        29 September 2022 14: 34
        Yes? Yes, right there on the site there were calls for mobilization through one, so what? As soon as the mobilization began, more than half immediately faded away, and the rest began to criticize the mobilization, and not this way and not that way.
      2. +1
        29 September 2022 16: 47
        Could you say about Ukraine 10 years ago that we will fight? And about the fact that gas pipelines will blow up?
    2. +1
      29 September 2022 11: 33
      take over Kaliningrad.
      There seems to be still some sort of NATO fuss going on.
    3. -1
      29 September 2022 12: 00
      The grandmothers at the entrance do not believe in this nonsense.
    4. +1
      29 September 2022 12: 06
      could you provide a link to this? I was not interested, I would like to read hi
    5. +5
      29 September 2022 13: 32
      Quote: DeGreen
      It has long been known that if we had not started on February 24.02, the Balts would have climbed into Pechery, the Ivangorod region and the Pytalovsky district. Yes, and the Poles were going with the Lithuanians to overcome Kaliningrad. This is specifically written and written by Western media

      What Western media do you read?
      1. -4
        29 September 2022 16: 49
        Open any Polish, Czech or Lithuanian site with a translator. Read the mouthpiece of the US Department of Defense Military. Com
        1. +6
          29 September 2022 17: 35
          Any sites do not suit me. OK, let's turn to the military com (although this is not a mouthpiece, an ordinary thematic site). Alas, I did not find there a single mention of the plans for the annexation of the Pytalovsky district.

          Link, if you don't mind.
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    6. -2
      29 September 2022 21: 15
      then the Balts would have climbed into Pechery, the Ivangorod region and the Pytalovsky district. Yes, and the Poles were going with the Lithuanians to overcome Kaliningrad. This is specifically written and written by the Western media. And then it would be a complete kaput. And for those who have children and who hide behind them, I advise you to remember what Ukrainians, Poles and the USA said. 25 million is enough for Russia
      How rudely you work, clumsily ... lol
  7. +20
    29 September 2022 11: 20
    And how are the "lords of the spirit" doing on the Georgian border?

    Long queues - in the absence of toilets and food points - gave a predictable result. Dozens of kilometers of filthy roads, stench, dirt. Scammers of all stripes are swarming, robbing the "masters of the spirit" in the style of "Ostap Bender meets the border guards." A real child of revelry and freedom, not like at the assembly point!

    In addition, the Georgians are forced to sign anti-Russian papers, with which they will then blackmail "refugees from mobilization."
    1. +8
      29 September 2022 11: 26
      To run to the forests of Siberia to be afraid of witches there .. and the Internet does not take well.
      1. +12
        29 September 2022 11: 33
        Quote: zombirusrev
        To run to the forests of Siberia to be afraid of witches there .. and the Internet does not take well.

        Nafig they didn’t rest against us here !!! And tyrnet is normal if the cedar is high wassat
        1. +2
          29 September 2022 16: 50
          Siberia is good. I lived in Irkutsk and Tyumen
      2. +2
        29 September 2022 12: 37
        Quote: zombirusrev
        Run to the forests of Siberia to be afraid of bears there ..

        But no one is waiting for them in Georgia either.
    2. +18
      29 September 2022 11: 30
      The fiercest battles are going on in Georgia right now. Dodgers from Ukraine found themselves surrounded by dodgers from Russia. The Tbilisi cauldron is planned. A joke of humor such from the net.
      In general, General Lebed also said that if he were allowed to form a company of the children of the elite, the war would end in a few days.
    3. -1
      30 September 2022 14: 15
      Moreover, a lot of people of Slavic appearance. I understand that Georgians are fleeing to Georgia, Armenians to Armenia, Azerbaijanis to Azerbaijan, these are where ...
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 14: 26
        Quote: 76SSSR
        I understand that Georgians are fleeing to Georgia, Armenians to Armenia, Azerbaijanis to Azerbaijan, these are where ...

        When the crowd is running, they don't ask for nationality, in the crowd you have to run where the crowd is running, along with the crowd.
  8. +45
    29 September 2022 11: 22
    When you hear for decades "This is your problem ... and this is your problem ... the state does not owe you anything ... if you want more - go into business ... pasta is pleasant and good for health ...", then why is it surprising what was said in the answer is "But this is already your problem, and solve it yourself too." ?
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 11: 47
      In this scenario, no problems will be solved. First of all, the one who was so offended by the "macaroni" that he decided to run away from the country to sit out.
      I do not justify the narrow-minded and snickering officials, but the majority of those who have fled now are deserters, in principle, in life and under other circumstances and while living in other countries.
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 11: 59
        Quote from vicvic
        these are deserters, in principle, in life and under other circumstances and during life in other countries.

        It can be said much more simply and without pathos: they are accustomed not to take on unnecessary responsibility, but to take care of themselves first of all.
      2. -7
        29 September 2022 14: 37
        So already liberal publishing houses began to complain that the "runners" receive nothing but contempt.
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 16: 52
          Interestingly, you did not write anything terrible. And also picked up cons
          1. +1
            30 September 2022 07: 29
            I see more than one callus trampled on VO. Here are the downsides... fellow Even you got it.
  9. +2
    29 September 2022 11: 26
    I just want to say that we are for peace, all over the world!!! But then we remember a lot, different things, about the armored train, about the sword, and much more!
    1. +3
      29 September 2022 11: 49
      And the world, the WORLD, is created by an armored train and a sword, but of course, also by a hammer and sickle. It can not be in any other way.
      1. 0
        29 September 2022 13: 56
        It's so ... you want to live in peace, ready for war!!!
        It was not invented by us and no one is going to cancel it yet.
  10. -24
    29 September 2022 11: 29
    Idiot article. I propose to remove.
    1. -25
      29 September 2022 11: 32
      She is not idiotic, she is an ideological sabotage with the support of VO.
      The first benchmark - I have one friend - he has a popular military registration specialty (VUS), has experience in participating in hostilities, he is still quite old. And he has two young children, and they are expecting a third soon. He hasn't gone anywhere yet. But he thinks a lot about his future. And there are those who have already decided to play it safe.
      the second rapper - "I would like to at least know in the name of what?"
      the third rapper - “The war going on today is not like the Great Patriotic War. It doesn't have a clear right side.
      rest of filling...
      1. +13
        29 September 2022 11: 42
        They found another enemy of the people, right?
        Well, write your article, print it here and look at the comments of colleagues.
      2. 0
        29 September 2022 12: 29
        Quote: mark1
        “The war going on today is not like the Great Patriotic War. It doesn't have a clear right side.

        there is a war for resources and markets ... we will not give up ours, we will return the loot in the 90s. which side is it? triplicity lies precisely in the variability of the tops
        1. -3
          29 September 2022 13: 28
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: mark1
          “The war going on today is not like the Great Patriotic War. It doesn't have a clear right side.

          there is a war for resources and markets ... we will not give up ours, we will return the loot in the 90s. which side is it? triplicity lies precisely in the variability of the tops

          A very sane and true comment.
        2. -2
          29 September 2022 14: 22
          You do not understand the causes of the conflict, although they are on the surface and this is the misfortune of many
          1. +4
            29 September 2022 14: 57
            Quote: mark1
            You do not understand the causes of the conflict, although they are on the surface and this is the misfortune of many

            What is there to understand? The reasons were explained by Marxists a hundred years ago.
      3. +5
        29 September 2022 15: 37
        A man has two children and will soon have a third, why does he need this war?
    2. +7
      29 September 2022 11: 35
      If you close your eyes, this does not mean that the problem will disappear.
    3. +14
      29 September 2022 11: 36
      Why idiotic? Any opinion has the right to life. The article does not call for anything other than reflection and touches on the topical issue of ideology.
      1. -15
        29 September 2022 11: 42
        Of course not. Idiot and hostile opinions are not needed. Opinions are generally not needed, but the above - especially.
      2. +2
        29 September 2022 12: 31
        Everything is in order with the ideology among the people, ideological rules must be imposed on the top and not on the people
        1. -13
          29 September 2022 13: 21
          Kindergarten pants with straps. Here on the resource, 90% of the public cannot add 2 + 2 - moderators are required to remove such debilitating articles.
          1. +4
            29 September 2022 17: 12
            Quote: NG inform
            Here on the resource, 90% of the public cannot add 2 + 2 - moderators are required to remove such debilitating articles.

            Is your surname Gref by any chance?
          2. +1
            29 September 2022 23: 04
            Where did you get such knowledge of the mathematical capabilities of the audience of this site? There is a strong odor of disrespect for all who read and reflect. Not good.
            1. 0
              30 September 2022 00: 00
              I read comments, most of them are vegetable.
              Thinking - who said? In our education system, they do not teach to think, this is the real problem of the country.
  11. +44
    29 September 2022 11: 31
    There is no need to teach people patriotism with bare slogans and pathos alone. You just have to be honest with us. No need to talk about denazification, and then return the Nazis on the exchange.
    It is necessary to answer people's questions - why are we fighting the way we are fighting, where are the promised strikes against decision-making centers, and so on.
    To show that specific decisions have been made for mistakes in import substitution, planning, and implementation of the operation against not switchmen, but real culprits. Show it won't happen again.
    And even more so, one should not be sent for mobilization, and the second, the children of the elite, will continue to go to nightclubs and threaten to resolve the issue of their mobilization at a "different level."
    But to broadcast yourself about patriotism and duty, when it is considered the duty of some and does not concern others, is not necessary.
    And all these points of mobilization at the border, the articles of the Code of Administrative Offenses, the Criminal Code, even for the right questions, the pathos of the nightingales (who until recently broadcast about how his sons would be sent to war if there was the same war as in Afghanistan), price gouging by military departments of the Ministry of Defense for equipment and so on - this is not just a road to nowhere, this is a sure road to an even worse version of the relationship between society and power.
    1. +6
      29 September 2022 11: 36
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      Don't teach people about patriotism

      Be sure to!
      Absolutely necessary!
      But by example!
      1. +7
        29 September 2022 11: 43
        Yes exactly. This is what he meant. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Corrected.
        PS in some century our opinions coincided)))
        1. +5
          29 September 2022 11: 47
          Rather an understatement.
          And such important things need to be said to the smallest detail.
          Do not leave room for someone else's interpretation and interpretation.
    2. +10
      29 September 2022 11: 39
      But after all, it will be necessary to recognize the mistakes that cost human lives. But our leaders do not know how and will not do this.
  12. +16
    29 September 2022 11: 33
    There is mobilization, but there is no war. There is an army, but it does not fight (or has recaptured). There are 3 million security officials in the country (or maybe 5), but they are all in their places at home. So, everyone should mind their own business, for starters. Well, if the integrity of the country is a threat, use any weapon, as the military doctrine of the country commands. And take care of the Russians.
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 11: 42
      Quote: Terrano
      There are 3 million security officials in the country (or maybe 5), but they are all in their places at home.

      Only the deaf have not heard about the actions of the National Guard in Ukraine.
      1. +7
        29 September 2022 14: 09
        Heard what? They were seen at rallies, dressed, well-shod, strong, skillful, dexterous, motivated. How many of them are there in Ukraine - 20 thousand? ten ? maybe 10? and certainly not at the forefront. From what hangover then to the front line of workers and peasants? To lime the male population of the country? Now this is a crime against the nation.
        1. -3
          29 September 2022 18: 38
          Quote: Terrano
          How many of them are there in Ukraine - 20 thousand? ten ? maybe 10?

          Go and check instead of writing deliberate lies.

          Quote: Terrano
          There are 3 million security officials in the country (or maybe 5), but they are all in their places at home.
          1. +3
            30 September 2022 02: 14
            Dear, I have paid taxes all my life, I don’t have benefits, I don’t travel around the country for free with my family, I don’t recover in military sanatoriums, I don’t eat rations in three throats, I don’t receive huts from the state, I didn’t deserve a pension at 45. So, let them work out to the fullest who should defend their homeland.
            1. -2
              30 September 2022 08: 39
              Quote: Terrano
              Dear, I have paid taxes all my life, I don’t have benefits, I don’t travel around the country with my family for free, I don’t recover in military sanatoriums, I don’t eat rations in three throats, I don’t receive huts from the state, I didn’t deserve a pension at 45

              Is that why you decided that lying is permissible?
              Because you think you're underprivileged?
              No one made decisions for you about who to be.
              It was your choice.
              So don't whine or lie.
              1. -2
                30 September 2022 10: 33
                You just feel left out. Go and fight for palaces, yachts and business jets. Did you escape from Kharkov?
    2. +3
      29 September 2022 12: 09
      A comrade from the Ministry of Internal Affairs spent 3 months in Donetsk, just returned
  13. -14
    29 September 2022 11: 34
    Author! I'm proud of you - send pictures from the front. After all, only those who are already in the Orthodox Liberation NWO have the moral right to write such appeals. Yes, we have an army of millions +, but the situation required conscription. After all, the army is good, but every Russian must also give something to the country! Not only taxes and loyalty, but life, if necessary. And that's what it took! The forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Army are not enough to defeat the Ukronazis. After all, everything is NATO at the front! rallied so to speak.
    ...
    I hope you were given a brand new Abakan. Warrior and innovative first aid kits. You have been trained with the best instructors for 6 months. You are well fed, you have an excellent barracks and next to you is a wonderful field hospital with the best doctors in Russia (for everyone) After all, our army is the strongest and second in the World ... or maybe the first! equipped and motivated. They cover you (and all of Russia and not just Moscow) Su-57 and of course the T-90 and Armat armadas. And most importantly: you know what a just cause is and where a Russian soldier should be .. Not for the president, but above, for the Motherland! All Russia is behind you! Not a step back! After all, if you take a step back, a horde of Ukrainians and American mercenaries will be on the Moscow Ring Road and even in Vladivostok (with the Japanese, of course)! And there would be if it were not for people like you. Low bow to you. It’s a pity that most of our compatriots are not as brave as you. But you will definitely change the situation with your example and courage. After all, it’s not about something there, but about liberals with YouTube, who corrupted and corrupted our youth, and somewhere middle-aged people who don’t want to die for our Motherland.
    1. +1
      29 September 2022 11: 43
      Quote: looker-on
      After all, only those who are already in the Orthodox Liberation NWO have the moral right to write such appeals.

      What words of the author made you think so?
  14. fiv
    +6
    29 September 2022 11: 34
    I perfectly understand those who go to sign up as a volunteer. I also understand those who are sullenly waiting for a summons or, having waited, sullenly goes to the military registration and enlistment office. I don’t understand and don’t want to understand those who run, losing their trousers and their homeland.
    1. +2
      30 September 2022 09: 33
      I don't understand those who run, losing their trousers and their homeland.

      There is nothing to understand here. Do you think that they suffer from this pangs of conscience, ashamed? Error . You put the norms and standards of behavior instilled in you in childhood into their heads "by default". But they are not there, they have not violated anything "for themselves" and will not be ashamed. A simple example is to approach a woman in the summer and start reproaching her for not covering her head with a scarf. You won't hear anything other than "Are you nuts?" Meanwhile, for her grandmother to go out to people without a headscarf was like going out naked into the street. It is very difficult to discard these inculcated norms (try to undress on a nudist beach), and it is generally impossible to instill new ones after a certain age. Forced to do - yes, you can.
      And then even if there are "pangs of conscience" - over time they will disappear. The brains are so arranged, the defense of the psyche will find a way to justify the act or completely forget it.
  15. +10
    29 September 2022 11: 36
    All the time of the existence of the Russian Federation, almost no patriotic work was carried out!
    So where to get these patriots?!

    Yes, the veterans of the Afghan war (who found themselves only in the criminal 90s) are still in my memory, and who especially cared about the Chechens?! Here and there they fought and took revenge not for the Motherland, but for a friend who died nearby!

    And now what guarantees of existence will be given to a veteran at the age of 30, who will return without legs / or worse / to a family with 3 young children (they don’t mobilize only from 4!!!), and if there is also a mortgage?! State??? - funny!

    And where are the children / grandchildren of our "elite" ??? What is not heard / seen about them!
    Stalin is scolded, and his children fought at the front ... yes, under supervision ... but they FIGHTED!

    I read a wise idea here that if "sons" appear in the active units, then the parents will try to provide these units to the fullest, and the generals will think three times before giving a stupid order ... it can backfire!
    1. +3
      29 September 2022 13: 20
      Quote: russ71
      All the time of the existence of the Russian Federation, almost no patriotic work was carried out!
      So where to get these patriots?!


      I am also surprised at this position, the state has let culture / education go free swimming ... take the same opinion leaders among young people: oksimiron, dud, max korzh (and many others) - they take a pro-Western position, even my fellow countrymen - the Omsk group "Grot" which at the beginning of its work came up with a patriotic agenda (the same song: Frontiers) now oppose the NWO .... social networks are solid Western products dominated by the Western point of view. And in Russian social networks, people who are not close to a patriotic position are in charge, how many reports have there been that patriotic videos are being deleted in Rutube, etc. there are many groups with a Ukrainian/Western bias in VK, and everything seems to suit everyone.
      1. -5
        30 September 2022 07: 47
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        I am also surprised at this position, the state has let culture / education go free swimming ... take the same opinion leaders among young people: oksimiron, dud, max korzh (and many others) - they take a pro-Western position,

        And what, all kinds of Beatles Pink Floyd Scorpions acted from a pro-Soviet position? How did the patriotic education of the USSR help? All the patriotically educated did not even scratch when he collapsed.
        1. +2
          30 September 2022 08: 39
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          And what, all kinds of Beatles Pink Floyd Scorpions acted from a pro-Soviet position? How did the patriotic education of the USSR help? All the patriotically educated did not even scratch when he collapsed.


          The collapse of the USSR is associated with problems of a different kind, and as for education, then the right approach is needed here, if the top of the country were patriotic and did everything for the good of the Motherland, then perhaps history would have taken a different path ... take the same USA, you can imagine imagine that their top will keep money in Russia / China, and their children will study with us?

          This will never happen. with patriotism and the interests of the top, everything is in order there. Although the same elites, oligarchs, clans work for their own pocket, but this pocket is continuously connected with the interests of the state.

          And now, for comparison, take our elite, do they keep a lot of money at home? Children study abroad, real estate abroad, wives / husbands / relatives have foreign citizenship ... and the same "patriots" who talk about the greatness of Russia calmly travel to the USA to friends, colleagues, son / daughter, etc. - and this is fundamentally wrong.

          And if we return to culture, then the position of opinion leaders is very important for young people ... let's take guys 18-25 years old - they grew up on Western values, use Western technologies, sit in pro-Western social networks, etc. - Their outlook and position are pro-Western. February 24, 2022 is coming, the SVO begins ... they are in shock, scrolling through social networks, following the news from Ukraine - their vision of the situation is being formed, they go to YouTube to find out the opinion of their idols, and there Dud says - not guys, Russia and it are to blame the president (conditionally ... but the essence is the same), then they read the opinions of Oksimiron who says "No to war", then they watch their other favorite performers / bloggers, etc. who repeat the same thing .... and what opinion will they form? Will they voluntarily join the ranks of the RF Armed Forces to defend their homeland or will they go abroad?

          I think that the message is clear, but if we went along the path of the PRC - where the state really regulates this area, where singers / performers with an anti-Chinese position are immediately blocked at all levels, where patriotism is not just a word ... where Chinese people boycott Western products if there is a humiliation of the honor or dignity of the state...then the position of the people will be different.
    2. -10
      29 September 2022 14: 44
      And what did WWII veterans get after the war under the USSR?
      1. +3
        29 September 2022 20: 06
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        And what did WWII veterans get after the war under the USSR?

        A lot, I know from my grandfathers.
        1. -4
          30 September 2022 07: 41
          What a lot, let's write, share.
    3. fiv
      +1
      30 September 2022 11: 29
      I believe that patriots are not brought up in school, patriots are brought up in the family.
  16. +15
    29 September 2022 11: 36
    In general, we have several million people in uniform with a normal salary, preferential mortgages, early pensions ... Is it necessary to attract 300k turners, bakers, etc., taking them away from work for the good of the motherland? Without them in any way? And if not, then why do we need these millions in uniform? Just curious.
    1. +3
      29 September 2022 12: 15
      there are many in uniform, there are few military men, they are just as clumsy as those mobilized, for example, does a traffic cop know how to use a grenade launcher?
      1. 0
        29 September 2022 12: 40
        Well, if a woman said that, beautiful! I can add on my own, they have a member ... but there are no men! As I said to some of my subordinates (and even bosses), no woman has an orgasm, no state protection!
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 13: 11
          why Georgia? we have no one in Sochi on the border with Abkhazia
          1. -1
            30 September 2022 07: 43
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            why Georgia? we have no one in Sochi on the border with Abkhazia

            In Abkhazia they are probably afraid. fellow
      2. +1
        29 September 2022 13: 49
        By the way, in fact, there are a lot of people in uniform, too many: all sorts of prosecutors, the Federal Penitentiary Service, the FSPP, foresters, tax officers, customs officers, they all wear shoulder straps. For me, this is nonsense when the same prosecutor cannot be distinguished from a pilot. But it is, thinking out loud. feel
    2. -1
      29 September 2022 13: 52
      Quote: robinson
      And if not, then why do we need these millions in uniform? Just curious

      Well, why? Now the next CSTO exercises will be held on the border with Kazakhstan, and there they are definitely much more needed.
    3. 0
      29 September 2022 14: 14
      Come on, 300 thousand, this is for TV. Rake out 3 million at least. With such skill in command and control of troops and antediluvian equipment - the criminal destruction of the Russian population. European dream.
  17. +1
    29 September 2022 11: 36
    The problem for Ukrainian residents is that they will have to take one of the sides, either the Russian Federation or Ukraine.
    The anecdote is that even the Ukrainians who left for the EU, despite waving the yellow flag there, automatically sided with the Russian Federation - depriving APU human resource.

    Well, our people who left will still sip dashingly there. Even Berezovsky began to run out of money in London....
    Currency, language, not particularly recognition of documents, the status of migrant workers (yes, they will be "Come in large numbers!"), culture, the problem of returning back to Russia - if you feel like it.
  18. +2
    29 September 2022 11: 39
    The article is good, but the title is stupid, does not match the content. The author is correct. So many people think in Russia.
  19. -9
    29 September 2022 11: 40
    Let these filthy freaks run away now rather than deserting in the war, leaving the military, honestly doing their duty ...
  20. +3
    29 September 2022 11: 49
    To begin with, it was worth declaring VOLUNTARY mobilization with monetary and credit "buns" and at least promises that the volunteer would be fully equipped by the state no worse than the Chechen special forces .. This would help to clearly understand whether "the Russians want wars" ...

    And, here, if 300 thousand had not been accumulated - and I'm sure they would have gained more - then the REMAINING (!) Part would be mobilized to a limited extent, but - with less material income than volunteers. Yes, it's fair. Furthermore! You can promise volunteers the right - as citizens tested in battle - to freely purchase rifled and short-barreled weapons after the SVO. "Shoot - so shoot."
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 12: 42
      Quote: Bayun
      To begin with, it was worth declaring VOLUNTARY mobilization with monetary and credit "buns" and at least promises that the volunteer would be fully equipped by the state no worse than the Chechen special forces ..

      What about the Wagner Orchestra?
      1. 0
        29 September 2022 13: 47
        Nah, it’s a little bit not that this is a private trader as he is, but here the comrade spoke about the State with a capital letter.
      2. +2
        29 September 2022 17: 14
        Only ZA! Protecting the Motherland = PROFESSION. Therefore, the State Military Company (GVK, by analogy with PMC) "Army of Russia" is needed.

        For paying the level of Gazprom-Rosneft - I'm sure - there will be many times more applicants than required.
  21. -4
    29 September 2022 11: 50
    The young people who left the mobilization were basically young people... Of course, having seen enough of the liberal garbage heaps, and having fallen under the influence of the CIPSO, they clearly became frightened. But, at the same time, how should they react to the operation itself, where Russia (in fact) committed an act of attack? They hang out in other informational realities. The nuances of politics and the Ukrainian crisis were not conveyed to them from above. Meanwhile, propaganda in Ukraine worked like a fireman... Controlling the fire of hatred and Russophobia. A very difficult question for young people: Russia entered the territory of Ukraine in order to? ... They think differently there, and their logic is different. The opinion that, they say, Ukraine is a priori weaker, then how could she attack first. The problems of the status of the LDNR are considered not the business of Russia. And the danger of NATO and so on. for them, the propaganda of the Kremlin.
  22. +16
    29 September 2022 11: 53
    In my opinion, military operations are a continuation of politics by other methods, this is when soldiers pay for the incompetence of the Foreign Ministry. Remember at least 5 billion that the United States invested in the Maidan and 200 billion that Ukraine received discounts and bonuses from us. There is a failure of our politicians. Second, why fight? Rotenberg, Deripaska, Lisin, Potanin, Mikhelson... they know, but I don't trust the government after the pension reform, it was an open deception. And why should everyone burn with the desire to protect the bourgeoisie, they didn’t even chip in for equipment for the mobilized. We do not have that for which it is not a pity to give life. So they run, whoever can, but they mobilize the worker-peasant.
  23. -1
    29 September 2022 11: 56
    If you wear pants, if something hangs in your pants, you have two responsibilities in life: pay taxes and stand in line when the whistle is blown. Love for the Motherland, awareness of oneself as part of the people and understanding of duty is not a duty, it is a reflex, i.e. from the field of zoology, it is given from birth and can be slightly adjusted by education. If there is this reflex, then the person is considered healthy, if there is no reflex, then, alas, we are in front of us. They're running. And do not feel sorry for them, try to understand - this is. They were always there, but they were discarded. If, for some reason, freaks were not allowed immediately under the ax, then, at least, they were no longer taken seriously.
  24. +15
    29 September 2022 11: 59
    When Strelkov spoke about the need to form a reserve, even through conscription, he was defamed, as if by order. But that was half a year ago and there was time for training and smoothing. But...
    as time went on, the authorities did not itch, even when it became clear that the conflict would drag on and the original "Hannibal" collapsed. Yes, the volunteers kicked off, they will do without you ..
    But when a certain fried bird pecked at the bottom of the toilet, tobish the throne, a feverish mobilization began, and people ask reasonable questions - how will it be now, during the emergency, to undergo training? Or will they be sent out like cannon fodder without proper training? The government has done everything so that people do not have faith in it.
    People look and ask questions, where are our idlers? Where are the "flavors", where is everything that our media proudly broadcast about, where is all this "unparalleled"? Because reality is very different from Putin's fairy tales. The whole world is chipping in for ammunition, for the treatment of sick children ... But in power, as usual, "there is no money, but you hold on," but they left 300 billion as a gift.
    And, as usual, no one is to blame.
    And now we all look at this bacchanalia and understand - and the king is naked! Draw red lines and chat, chat, chat, and NOTHING TO DO this will definitely not add faith in power.
  25. -1
    29 September 2022 11: 59
    kind author. the Kharkov channel is misleading you - the beginning of the "Ukraine" catastrophe of 1992, when the "red directors", the party nomenklatura of the CPSU and the Zapidensky nationalists rallied. They remembered "that Ukrainians won" - this is the time. Second, they divided the spheres (ideology-zapideniye, privatization of the people's director, polluting the brains of the population in a new way and "coordination of cops, judges and prosecutors" - rotten, immoral nomenclature of the CPSU of the late 80s -90s, remember Lutsenko, and the same Kuchma. Source of growing problems "Of course, Ukrainization of the Zapidensky-Bolshevik persuasion. It's like rust. 30 years! Generations have been brought up. No sane person since 1991 can consider normal Zapidensky wild politicians to whom the Kuchmanoids, victims of the Jewish lobby with apartments "near London" gave all the "humanitarian aid" from the former Ukrainian SSR What we see as a result and their motivation towards the Russian Federation - "AND THEY HAVE EVEN WORSE" - simple dodgy shit
  26. +12
    29 September 2022 12: 01
    The first question is: where are the children and grandchildren of officials, why don't they show them in the Donbass?
    The second question: the command definitely wants to win the war, otherwise doubts arise about the lack of bombing of Ukraine.
    The third question: who is responsible for the fact that a professional, well-paid army did not solve the problem?
    People can and should ask questions about what's going on. So that it does not turn out that they are defending not the Motherland, but dirty games.
  27. +14
    29 September 2022 12: 01
    Among acquaintances after strange exchanges and “we continue to pump gas”, there are noticeably fewer people willing to go as volunteers. The orders came, let's go. Everything is like in World War 1, "from under the stick."
    If the "Azovites" were shot in June-July, and not evacuated, etc. then mobilization could not be carried out.
    It seems to me that the main reason is that after several months, many contract soldiers, learning such news "Taira, etc." contracts began to break. People are returning from the front line, if in megacities it is imperceptible, in rural areas, due to the low number of people, this is noticeable. Wounded soldiers, after the expiration of the contract with Wagner, return and tell the mood in the trenches. According to rumors, of those who began to enter 24, half either broke the contract or was going to. MOBILIZATION - NOT EVEN FOR RECRUITMENT, BUT ALSO FOR KEEPING THE FIRED EXPERIMENTAL MILITARY UNIT ON THE FORWARD, FOR THE DISAPPEARANCE OF THE CONCEPT "FIVE Hundred".
    Now after the referendum, at least some goals have appeared and the probable end of the war. WITH THAT PEOPLE WENT TO THE MILITARY COMMITTEES.
    PS I'm watching a video about mobilization from Klim Zhukov. He clearly and correctly painted everything about the mood of the masses. If people are brought up for years "the state owes you nothing," then the attitude of a huge part of the population is the same.
  28. +8
    29 September 2022 12: 04
    The military commissars need to go to Malaya Bronnaya Street on Patriashih in Moscow, where it is possible to form a special forces regiment in one day, though you need to drive Ferraris somewhere, of which there are hundreds of Maybachs
    1. +1
      29 September 2022 20: 25
      Quote: Saboteur_Navy
      The military commissars need to go to Malaya Bronnaya Street on Patriashih in Moscow, where it is possible to form a special forces regiment in one day, though you need to drive Ferraris somewhere, of which there are hundreds of Maybachs

      And the bulk will go from the Urals and Siberia. Not for the first time.
  29. +9
    29 September 2022 12: 04
    Quote: Luminman
    Let these filthy freaks run away now rather than deserting in the war, leaving the military, honestly doing their duty ...


    Regarding "Mr. Peskov" and the children and grandchildren of the ministers, they took water in their mouths. You can only run into simple hard workers. It's the seller Vasya's fault that the second army of the world has raked a bunch of problems in seven months, let the seller Vasya go and fix it.
  30. +13
    29 September 2022 12: 05
    IMHO, there would be much less such rats if people saw that the military and the top leadership were at the same time. If from the very beginning they fought as expected, for the result. Without gestures of goodwill and cowardly exchanges. With strikes on the power grid, water use, bridges and tunnels. According to repeaters, communication centers, and most importantly, to the top leadership of the country, ministries and services. If people did not see the betrayal in the Kremlin, then they themselves would not have the conscience to betray .. I think so.
  31. +3
    29 September 2022 12: 05
    Quote: your1970
    Well, our people who left will still sip dashingly there. Even Berezovsky began to run out of money in London....

    I'm from IT. I know about 100 people who are in the damned West. Mortgages are overpriced - they add interest while there is no citizenship. In Ireland, this is a mortgage at 3.8%. They give if you have a job and a history on the cards. It's very hard to live. You just go to work, do it there and then go home. It's boring ... they miss their homeland without exception. We are not bored.
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 13: 16
      And how, many of them returned from a difficult life in a foreign land? Did you believe in deferrals from mobilization, benefits, etc.?
    2. +2
      29 September 2022 16: 11
      Quote: looker-on
      It's very hard to live. You just go to work, do it there and then go home. Boring...

      You can take a vacation and go to Ukraine, it's fun there, they say.
  32. -17
    29 September 2022 12: 23
    Disgusting article!!! Attempts to whitewash the fugitives by putting this in the hands of the state! Ugh, disgusting!
    These people fled. RUN! There is no positive explanation and justification for this act! They keep their shirt close to the body. They have a house on the edge. Everyone should understand this! They don't want to live in this country. They don't want to make it better. They do not want to defend it with their breasts. And we don't owe them anything! Deprive everyone of citizenship, register as foreign agents, prohibit any activity in the Russian Federation! Once they run away, they run again. And their example only expands all this abomination and rot!
    PS The author probably writes from Georgia. This is how it sounds: get into position, I have a third child, I don’t know what to fight for there, and in general it was we who attacked. Do you still apologize, did you sign the condemnation paper? Words can't express my disgust at this.
    1. +1
      29 September 2022 12: 47
      Quote: Alexander_Schlidt
      These people fled. RUN! There is no positive explanation and justification for this act!

      Well, yes, but those who did not run, or simply went on vacation and arrived. And those who promised and called upon us, where are they now? Courage is also needed to leave, but to be modestly silent ... how is that?
      1. -4
        29 September 2022 13: 17
        Quote: lithium17
        just went on vacation and came back

        No problem. Notify the military commissar, submit an application for leave from work. Go rest. How many people went on vacation? NO, they are runaways. From my country. Shame on them!
        Quote: lithium17
        And those who promised and called upon us, where are they now?

        Here I did not understand the course of your thoughts. Who or what do you mean?
        Quote: lithium17
        It also takes courage to leave.

        Are you seriously???? Are you really ready to call these people courageous????? Do you find virtue in them? They sign a paper condemning their country at the border! Is this heroism???
        Are you by any chance the author of this article?
        1. 0
          1 January 2023 21: 49
          Quote: Alexander_Schlidt
          Notify the military commissar, submit an application for leave from work. Go rest.

          What else do you need to submit to the military enlistment office? Do I need to coordinate the time when I go to the toilet with the military commissar?
  33. -11
    29 September 2022 12: 29
    Just need a list of all of these and if return all in the second wave. There they explain what kind of war it is and for what.
    1. -1
      29 September 2022 13: 08
      And for what? They won’t be able to understand (wouldn’t they run if there was understanding), but have a unit of such “runners” on the flank or in their composition? Sorry, nothing is better than something...
      Everything I write is based on my experience.
  34. +6
    29 September 2022 12: 31
    Mobilization activities in the country should be carried out with those activities that would show people the readiness of the authorities to protect the interests of the country and the people. Start cleaning the government apparatus of pro-Western politicians - Peskov in the first place. Why has not yet broken or minimized dip. relations with enemy countries?
    Why not make indulgence for citizens in some areas - tax or financial - not to exempt workers with a minimum wage from income tax? Or not proclaim a course for a new industrial development of the country with the preparation of a five-year plan for the development of light, food, and heavy industries? In order for people to have faith and hope in tomorrow and understanding, why did we go to a confrontation with the West?
  35. +8
    29 September 2022 12: 41
    Quote: Alex66
    Second, why fight? Rotenberg, Deripaska, Lisin, Potanin, Mikhelson... they know, but I don't trust the government after the pension reform, it was an open deception. And why should everyone burn with the desire to protect the bourgeoisie, they didn’t even chip in for equipment for the mobilized. We do not have that for which it is not a pity to give life. So they run, whoever can, but they mobilize the worker-peasant.


    According to the mind, it is necessary to call first of all the children and grandchildren of the president and his entourage, then the oligarchs, then the children and grandchildren of State Duma deputies, then the governors, then the chief doctors and rectors of universities, these are very rich people, and last but not least - people with ordinary incomes.
    To whom more is given, more will be required.
  36. +8
    29 September 2022 12: 42
    Former officer. Now a medic.
    "I don't want to kill Ukrainians"
    But there are still a bunch of liberals, pacifists, and most importantly: golden children.

    Here is the news about the agenda for young Football players .... (by the way, and the salary that their families are used to, they will not be paid. Or?)
    But there is no news about agendas for the children of the elite .... somehow there is none. Medvedev's son was kicked out of Omeriki... what about the conscription? Zhirinovsky's grandchildren? Peskkova?
    Many of the same age ...
    But in the media and here you can not hear ...
    only Galkin, Galkin...
  37. +1
    29 September 2022 12: 54
    Obelisks to warriors are everywhere. From Moscow to Kyrgyzstan. And all these soldiers died already in this century. What did they defend, whom did they defend? Everything they fought against was born in 1990-1991. And this evil is immortal. Greed, greed gives rise to this evil. Those whom they defended, settled well in this world. And not one of them will lay flowers on their grave. This is a shady financial gang. It is he who rules this world.
  38. +4
    29 September 2022 12: 57
    And when choosing: unclear arguments or my family, it will be very difficult to decide.
    This is a big problem! And it must be solved! Now it is relatively local. But with (God forbid) mass mobilization, it will become huge.

    Alas, the problem will manifest itself much earlier - as soon as notices about "200" and heavy "300" begin to arrive in relatively noticeable quantities. It is unlikely that they will guess to adequately cover (and thereby level) in the media, which means that in the best case, it will go into a smoldering state that can erupt at the most unexpected moment and in the most fatal way.
  39. -10
    29 September 2022 13: 14
    Those fleeing from Russia are parasites! For their well-being, they parasitized until everything suited them, but as soon as it got bad, they ran to look for a new "breadwinner". To stand up for the former, and the thought did not arise. And anyone who adopts them should keep that in mind.
    1. +2
      29 September 2022 13: 36
      Quote: major147
      To stand up for the former, and the thought did not arise.

      And who is attacking Moscow there? On the garden so far the shooting is not audible.
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    3. +2
      29 September 2022 17: 04
      Quote: major147
      Those fleeing from Russia are parasites! They parasitized for their well-being while everything suited them

      Well, right away. I think most of them worked one way or another. She paid taxes, including for the army, left her earned money in the Russian economy.
      Quote: major147
      To stand up for the former, and the thought did not arise.

      This is just the first question. Maybe the "former" just did not suit them very much?
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  40. +3
    29 September 2022 13: 21
    Quote: ivan2022
    The problem was born exactly when the current pence betrayed the Soviet oath. In 1991. They took it and "Arranged Russia." In short: "shod". Descendants have to pay: "Thank you grandfather!"

    Ivan 2022 made an interesting conclusion. And if you look at the ratings of readers? The cons are twice as many as the pros. In the absence of objections on the merits.
    From this I conclude that two-thirds of VO readers are military pensioners. Curious.....
  41. +4
    29 September 2022 13: 45
    In general, it is strange that Abramovich and many others have been in Israel for a long time, but no one angrily denounces them. Although they could powerfully support the Russian army with their billions ..... Yes .... perhaps, our compatriots are most oppressed by the consciousness of their own inferiority: "wow, people like us, and they are there and we are here .... ... What to ask of Abramovich? He is a Jew and he is rich, he screwed us all, he is supposed to, but this is something? It's dishonest-ah-ah!"
  42. +2
    29 September 2022 13: 51
    war is a business, someone gets fat, someone unfortunately dies or becomes disabled (meaning not only physically, but also psychologically). Everyone remembers the words of A.I. Lebed: "give the opportunity to call on those in power, the oligarchs, their children, the war will end in a week." (this applies to both warring parties, not necessarily in relation to Russia). how many billionaires we have in the State Duma and in the Federation Council, and not only there. and when the children of I.V. Stalin were at the very forefront. This is love for the Motherland, this is patriotism. and now the children of more or less middle-class bosses study and live abroad, many have real estate there. If in Russia, then only majors in cool cars. even study, for "poor" students who returned from foreign universities in state-funded places (there was enough money to pay bossy money. In Russia, the poor began to pay nothing for their studies, but we drive up to universities in a representative class car for tens of millions
    1. -3
      29 September 2022 14: 55
      Yeah ... they found someone to remember, Lebed. Maybe you remember how he was cursed in the army for his Khasavyurt.
      1. +1
        30 September 2022 15: 33
        You can remember Khasavyurt and much more, not everyone is perfect. but not everyone has smart thoughts. Yes, there were miscalculations, but did they depend only on him? how many cases there were to destroy groups of bandit formations, but alas, there were orders to retreat, and orders must be obeyed. no matter how an angel someone is, still there will be someone who cheats. the demon was also a beloved angel, but fell. something like that.
        1. -3
          30 September 2022 19: 06
          The army knew all this very well, but despite this, Lebed became the second after Grachev, at the remembrance of which we all then wanted to spit.
  43. -1
    29 September 2022 14: 02
    There are fans of overwriting objectionable comments. But in vain.
  44. +4
    29 September 2022 14: 05
    Khodakovsky in the cart described two cases with mobilized people.
    1) The company enters the location. He lays out the BC with beautiful geometry, next to the technique for convenience (so as not to run far). Well, the locals arrived for linking - they drove everyone into the basements. Arta ukrov plowed everything into the trash.
    2) The column decided to go from point A to point B. It ran into the enemy. "Few jumped out of the fire."
    These are not armchair strategists and tactics. These are career officers of the Russian Federation. So what? Go have these... put all the subordinates in the ground on the first day?
    1. -1
      30 September 2022 19: 13
      Quote: sergo1914
      These are not armchair strategists and tactics. These are career officers of the Russian Federation. So what? Go have these... put all the subordinates in the ground on the first day?

      So they act as the charter prescribed ... and experience comes to regret over time. The LDNRites themselves are a little to blame here. If they would call their armed forces not the militia-militia, but the Armed Forces-army, then coordination would be faster. Alas, all over the world, military personnel look down on the paramilitaries somewhat. This cannot be avoided and must be taken into account.
  45. -7
    29 September 2022 14: 27
    Formally and legally in this conflict, Russia is the attacking side.

    let's go a little further"rewind the timeline"?
    What is there to see? And here's what: the USSR was liquidated absolutely illegally (only Gorbachev signed illegal decrees for several executions for treason), and besides, contrary to the will of the citizens of the Union at the referendum held shortly before this.
    Therefore, formally legally, there is not the slightest reason for the existence of some kind of "independent" Ukraine (as well as Lithuania, etc.) And the formally legally legitimate borders of our general Fatherland are the borders of 1945. Russia, as the successor of the USSR, did not "attack", but liberates its land from an illegal bandit regime.
  46. +2
    29 September 2022 15: 05
    well written, to the point. And this remark:
    But Russia will not get a real victory either - especially if it does not change inside. If the war continues to be fought for profit, and not to achieve the stated goals, then Russia will lose.
    Also, very well said.
  47. -1
    29 September 2022 15: 13
    Patriots of Ukraine who fled from mobilization in Batumi and Yerevan Report about another boiler being surrounded by Lebertarians and Urapotriotic bloggers who fled from the Russian Federation from mobilization
  48. +4
    29 September 2022 15: 20
    Quote: NAF-NAF
    Formally and legally in this conflict, Russia is the attacking side.

    And formally legally legitimate borders of our general Fatherland are the borders of 1945. Russia, as the successor of the USSR, did not "attack", but liberates its land from an illegal bandit regime.

    Right. There is a decree of the State Duma of the Russian Federation of March 15, 1996. It spells out the legitimacy of the Belovezhskaya Pact and Yeltsin's criminal liability under the article of the Criminal Code on treason.

    BUT!
    THERE ARE THE RESULTS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 1996. Which are considered legal, although the ballots have been destroyed. The legislative incident is resolved in favor of the last document signed.

    It's too late for us to drink Borjomi if the USSR was destroyed.
    Presidential elections are a democratic act that legitimizes everything.
  49. +5
    29 September 2022 18: 27
    Not mine, but on topic:
    I had a terrible dream today
    And in it I saw very clearly
    Son of Zhirinovsky soldier
    And Lavrov's daughter is a nurse.
    Here they run with machine guns,
    Two daughters of Putin on the attack,
    And pulling the triggers
    They shout: "FOR THE MOTHERLAND AND DAD"!
    Here the tank is burning on its side,
    And in it is Medvedev's son,
    And the daughter of the brave Shoigu,
    His delivering carries to the medical block.
    Zyuganov's grandson, Zyuganov's son,
    Heir Matvienko Vali,
    All as one went to the front,
    So that the brothers do not join NATO.
    Kovalchuks are running in the ranks,
    And the Rotenbergs are next to them,
    And Miller is eager for a breakthrough,
    On the flank with the Gazprom detachment.
    Opened my eyes, then closed
    What kind of fantasy is going on?
    Probably watching TV in vain,
    That's the kind of crap I dream about.


    And the situation has not yet been calculated in this, frankly, adventure

    The Muftiate asked Putin for a deferment from mobilization for Dagestanis
    Advisor to the Mufti of Dagestan, Aina Gamzatova, asked Russian President Vladimir Putin for a deferment from mobilization for the residents of the republic. The appeal was published on the Telegram channel of the Muftiate.
    According to her, within six months the republic will be able to professionally train Dagestanis in training centers.

    “I and my people would also like to offer you, taking into account the fact that out of the three million population there are already more than three thousand Dagestanis on the front lines, among whom there are many heroes, to give us a respite from mobilization and other calls,” Gamzatova asked.

    The mufti's adviser referred to the experience of the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, "who competently and faithfully trained fighters in the republic over many years, creating the necessary conditions for a field training base." She also asked Putin to recommend experienced instructors who would help train “real warriors” in six months.

    Gamzatova noted that today unprepared youth, who do not know the technique of combat and are not familiar with any type of weapon, are going to the zone of the special military operation of Russia in Ukraine.

    “For our part, we are ready to offer, given the difficult times for our country, to fully provide the necessary: ​​provisions, clothing, premises,” she added.

    Earlier it was reported that the Dagestanis blocked the Khasavyurt-Makhachkala federal highway due to mistakes made by the military registration and enlistment offices during mobilization. The head of the republic, Sergei Melikov, commenting on the protests in the capital of Dagestan, said that they were controlled, among other things, from abroad. In Dagestan, they will fulfill the tasks of partial mobilization - "there is no doubt about this," Melikov assured.
  50. -3
    29 September 2022 18: 32
    The deviators have shown the rotten motivation and mass cowardice of the youth, this is a terrible fact. Where is the reason? We will discuss anything, any event, so what? - Let's switch to new "events". Some thoughts and words worked, but nothing was transmitted to the muscles. In almost everything for the majority.
    when choosing: unclear arguments or my family - it will be very difficult to decide.

    This is a big problem!
    - But didn’t they live the same way for years before the NWO? This "big problem!" - "vague arguments" - in fact, the norm of our life for a long time. The absence of our general reaction (non-participation and evasion!) to any external (internal: “privatization”, “reforms”, optimization, ..) influences. Why are discussions not looking for an understandable and accepted by all root-cause of the event? Is there anyone that prevents us from clarifying the “obscure arguments”? If not a saucepan on the head, protecting from special mental and nervous tension and from special personal responsibility?
    Are those who decide to leave weaklings?
    - Is the calm question of an adult adequate?
  51. 0
    29 September 2022 20: 35
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Moreover, there were reports in the news feed that, like, the state is only planning to open these same mobilization points on the border with Kazakhstan one of these days. As if they continue to give time to escape, who did not have time. It's not 1990 by any chance, is it? This reminds me of something...

    This reminds me of nothing but stupidity.
  52. 0
    29 September 2022 20: 51
    The Chinese Foreign Ministry recently stated that China will not indifferently watch the ongoing conflict in Ukraine and Europe, but it will not add fuel to the fire either. This one phrase answers many questions that are asked here. Why is this and how will events develop further? Why are we constantly late in both obvious decisions and actions?
  53. -4
    29 September 2022 20: 59
    Quote: Wend
    should continue after the ellipsis. And everything falls into place. No need for omissions. Those who go have no families or

    Quote: Wend
    An attempt to justify the escapees. The author walked like a fox around grapes in the article)
    I have to protect my family, which may be left without a livelihood, or I have to go to war for ...
    for the family and fight. This is how it should continue after the ellipsis. And everything falls into place. No need for omissions. Do those who go have no families or children? The current situation makes it clear who is who and what breathes.

    Who is the state and why is he related to me?
  54. +2
    30 September 2022 01: 20
    This is actually a very sad topic. People “vote with their feet” for the ideas of the state - as it is. If we had done all this on the wave of success in February-March, a good half of these runners would not have been there, no matter how many people were alive and well (on both sides of the conflict), the conflict itself would probably already be over. Instead, the line of “super maneuvering” was chosen with gestures of “good will”, stupid negotiations, vague formulations about denazification and demilitarization, a bunch of fences that “cannot be touched” and, in general, the most brutal prolongation of the conflict over time.

    It was almost impossible to put all this into the mind of a philistine - I first of all speak for myself personally. I DO NOT understand why there was such an overload of things from the SVO. I understand what the original plan and general idea (bet) was, but in this system it was possible to catch what “didn’t work” already in mid-late March. And here’s the thing - when people DO NOT understand what’s going on at all, they vote with their feet. "Fight or flight" is a formula as old as time. If it is “not possible” to attack at full strength (and still is) - then what remains for the small pawns? They are fleeing - and I personally cannot condemn them.
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  56. +2
    30 September 2022 08: 12
    Russia is gradually turning into a country of lawyers and jurists, when it is necessary to defend the Motherland there are a lot of reasons not to do this, and they are trying to back it up legally, looking for all sorts of reasons, but how beautifully they walked with flags, shouted and chanted Russia, received gifts for Defender's Day, walked with posters of their fathers and grandfathers on Victory Day - but how would our grandfathers who broke the back of fascism and their grandchildren look for reasons to avoid this would have reacted to such “men” “defenders”...
  57. -1
    30 September 2022 10: 25
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    why Georgia? we have no one in Sochi on the border with Abkhazia

    Very good news! I was just getting ready to go to Gagra. It would be unpleasant to get into a crowd runners and horonyak.
    1. -1
      30 September 2022 11: 44
      Already today there was a message that people from the military registration and enlistment office will appear who will check whether you received the summons or not
  58. +1
    30 September 2022 11: 11
    One word - everyone who ran away is his truth.
    There is no need to call her fearful, because everyone is afraid of death.
    Now, Russia doesn’t need his truth.
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  60. -1
    30 September 2022 11: 50
    Quote: alekpro2010
    The wife’s answer sounded like a verdict on all our propaganda: this is a purely aggressive war that was organized to seize territories, they did not start this war and they do not need it, and they are doing the right thing by running away from mobilization. I note that my wife has two higher ones.

    Yes, at least my aunt has four higher degrees. This is a proactive SVO. According to the "hit Freddy first" principle.
  61. 0
    30 September 2022 12: 01
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    How did the patriotic education of the USSR help? All the patriotically raised people didn’t even scratch themselves when it collapsed.

    It later turned out that it had collapsed. And at every moment it seemed that everything was being done for the better. Untie Transcaucasia? Everyone was in favor. Well, and some other innovations, although there were much more promises/expectations. The realization of the mistake made came much later.
  62. 0
    30 September 2022 14: 15
    The author justifies traitors and cowards. Not closing the borders is not clear.
  63. 0
    30 September 2022 18: 00
    There have always been traitors. And in the current era, there are simply many more of them - remember just recently, almost all of our liberal press (and there was no other) elevated Vlasov to a hero, and believed that it was necessary to capitulate to the fascists, then they would flourish. And the authorities, if they did not support this, did not particularly interfere: everyone can have their own opinion, because to betray in time is to foresee. And there were almost only potential traitors in power. And the whole country worked for the real traitors - the billionaires, because the interests of the state were confused by the Kremlin with the interests of the oligarchs. What is happening now is that the population was robbed, but they did almost nothing useful for the country, they only traded mineral resources.
  64. 0
    1 October 2022 01: 59
    June 22, 1941 - someone went to the military registration and enlistment offices, while others ran to savings banks and stores to buy everything. There is a state, and there is a homeland. Those whose homeland outweighs the state do not have to worry about going to the front or hiding. Of course, we now have a completely different Russia than before: it is neither the Russian Empire nor the Soviet Union, but rather a country of deceased romantics, dead poets and matured cynics. What a real mob reserve we have - God grant that we have a million of those who are truly capable and ready to fight for their homeland, and not on orders from the state. There is an undeclared war going on between NATO and Russia, so far only in the Ukrainian theater of operations. What will happen next is not difficult to predict: against the backdrop of the Ukrainian offensive, 300 thousand fighters are a drop in the ocean, they will throw them into battle in parts, they will begin to patch up holes with them and “things will still be there.” Who will be the first to declare war: Ukraine on Russia or vice versa, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that we don’t have enough strength, NATO is ten times stronger, so we can only wait for the start of an exchange of nuclear strikes: We are against Ukraine, NATO is against us. I think that by spring everything will be over: both for those who fought for their homeland, and for those who ran away from the state. If only they would remember in Heaven the difference between those who fought against Ukrainian fascism and the family men who were tired of their own children and homeland. Hell is spacious. Paradise is shot through.
  65. +3
    1 October 2022 05: 48
    Well, adding to the words of another one who left, also a father of two children, they are waiting for a third, he himself has health problems.
    - Of course, according to the president’s order, they shouldn’t take me, but they bring summons. And with our mess, the notification of my death will come sooner than those who were caught or the wrong ones will be sorted out. And to believe that the state will take care of my family at least as much as it “takes care” of our pensioners - I don’t smoke weed.
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  67. 0
    1 October 2022 20: 58
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    I am also surprised at this position, the state has let culture / education go free swimming ... take the same opinion leaders among young people: oksimiron, dud, max korzh (and many others) - they take a pro-Western position,

    And what, all kinds of Beatles Pink Floyd Scorpions acted from a pro-Soviet position? How did the patriotic education of the USSR help? All the patriotically educated did not even scratch when he collapsed.

    But those who were not patriotically brought up should not have been itching, so what?
    In 1988, the USSR ranked 26th in the world ranking of living standards. Now the Russian Federation ranks about 70. Next to Colombia. Therefore, I conclude that, regardless of their upbringing, both were “eccentrics” with the letter M. This is hereditary, not ideological. And now it’s just......
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  69. +1
    2 October 2022 11: 47
    Quote: tralflot1832
    We like to talk about our rights, but somehow forget our responsibilities.

    When there are no rights, there are no responsibilities. Those fleeing have not received their share of the country's wealth, so they have nothing to defend.
    As Putin said there, we need to steer away from paternalism. So they taxied away.
  70. +1
    2 October 2022 12: 03
    Quote: major147

    To stand up for the former, and the thought did not arise.

    What do they have to defend? They have not received a share in the state, they have nothing to defend.
    1. 0
      3 October 2022 09: 51
      Quote from Scientist
      So they taxied away.

      And thank God that now in such a situation!
      Quote from Scientist
      They have not received a share in the state, they have nothing to defend.

      So let them hand over their passports and go to all four directions! I personally don’t need such fellow citizens. Since they have nothing to protect, that means those who remain owe them nothing! The association is only with cockroaches when the lights are turned on in the kitchen. If you don't like the country, live in another one. How and for what is their business. Just don't come back to us.
  71. 0
    4 October 2022 20: 23
    I propose to replace the prison sentence of deserters by court decision with 8 years of forced labor on Bama and the construction of a tunnel from the mainland to Sakhalin. Creative work re-educates everyone. There is enough work for everyone in Siberia! Or to the penal battalion and to the SVO in Ukraine, for those who wish to correct their shame and avoid a criminal record.
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