Following Denmark, Sweden announced a gas leak from the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline in its special economic zone

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Following Denmark, Sweden announced a gas leak from the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline in its special economic zone

Following Denmark, Sweden shares information about a gas leak on the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline. The shipping service of this northern European state reports that a gas leak has been established from the gas pipeline in that part of it that belongs to the Swedish exclusive economic zone.

Swedish side:



The leak sites in our special economic zone and in the same zone in Denmark are located not far from each other - to the northeast of the island of Bornholm. The reason for the leaks is not yet clear.

Meanwhile, in Sweden, there are suggestions that the violation of the integrity of the pipes of the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines was deliberate. A similar hypothesis is put forward in the German edition of Tagesspiegel:

There is no explicable scenario in which problems with the gas pipeline can be purely technical.

Member of the Greens party Jürgen Trittin, who is a member of the Bundestag, said that "underwater sabotage" could have taken place. At the same time, Germany admits that it is extremely difficult to carry out sabotage on an underwater gas pipeline, technical capabilities are needed. The German parliament is seriously afraid that gas to Germany through the Nord Stream may never go.

Trittin:

We are dealing with a major speculation and a major issue.

After the news about the problems in gas pipelines, the price of gas in Europe went up again after falling to $1600. At the moment, the price of gas on the EU exchanges is about $1830 per 1000 cubic meters.
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    1. +7
      27 September 2022 11: 45
      Europe has begun its usual craft - theft laughing
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 11: 47
        I also think so - they drilled holes and pull slowly
        1. +18
          27 September 2022 11: 49
          Quote: forester
          I also think so - they drilled holes and pull slowly

          under water?
          laid their own pipeline to ours?
          1. +24
            27 September 2022 12: 02
            Quote: Flood
            Quote: forester
            I also think so - they drilled holes and pull slowly

            under water?
            laid their own pipeline to ours?

            No. It was Denmark who blew up the gas pipeline so that Germany could not win back. Denmark is a terrorist state. am I think that Germany needs to capture the Danish island of Bornholm in order not to freeze.
            I am for a war between Denmark and Germany. soldier
            1. +10
              27 September 2022 12: 27
              A week ago, an acquaintance in Germany (not only him, they were sent on behalf of the municipalities to all residents) received a warning letter in which it was advised to be prepared to turn off gas, electricity, water. He also asked me - "What would it be for?" It seems to be like the southwest of Germany ....
              No, it's most likely a coincidence...
              1. +3
                27 September 2022 13: 25
                I wonder who benefits? Who ordered?
                1. +4
                  27 September 2022 13: 41
                  globalists...

                  Their logic is: "National states are outdated and obsolete. They cannot fully provide energy, food, medical and other types of security for citizens. We need to voluntarily-democratically delegate power to the World Government and "life will get better."

                  I won't be surprised if "someone" will continue to bring down satellites and torn cables of transoceanic communications ... Now the "tectonic plates" of the world economy are in motion and anything can be expected.
                2. -2
                  27 September 2022 14: 02
                  The German parliament is seriously afraid that gas to Germany through the Nord Stream may never go.

                  In this situation, one way or another, the "ears" of the United States are visible.
                  Look for those who benefit from it!
                  And SALES in Germany "useful for the USA go you" - "liver sausage" Olaf Scholz and the goofy "green" pro-American Annalena Burbock and others - are personally careeristically extremely interested in favor of their owners from Washington!

                  At the same time the economic crisis of Germany - and without war (!) - already located as economists define at the level of 1948.

                  Where wherein German authorities under the auspices of their Chancellor Olaf Scholz, grandson of an SS general, send their unemployed and disgruntled Germans, of course! Again: "Nach Osten!"
                  You can't expect anything else!

                  1. -2
                    27 September 2022 14: 49
                    Where, at the same time, the German authorities are under the auspices of their Chancellor Olaf Scholz, grandson of an SS general,

                    That's how it is! Can you prove? No.
                    "In March 2022, after the invasion of Ukraine began, the RuNet began to spread the assertion that German Chancellor Olaf Scholz (whose grandfather lived in Hamburg and worked as a railway employee) is the grandson of Fritz Scholz (who lived childlessly in Pörtschach am Wörthersee in Austria). "
                    1. +2
                      27 September 2022 15: 52
                      The Russian Foreign Ministry, represented by Lavrov, is aware of the pedigree of Olaf Scholz.
                      And Olaf Scholz is not the only one in the German government. Namely.

                      1. The grandfather of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz was a lieutenant general of the SS troops and personally participated in the executions of Jews in the territories of Poland and present-day Ukraine. Killed in 1944 year.

                      2. The closest ancestor of the Minister of Finance of Germany, Christian Lindner, Wehrmacht general, took part in the blockade of Leningrad.

                      3. Grandfather of German Health Minister Karl Lauterbach (a doctor-lobbyist for pharmaceutical companies in the government of Olaf Scholz), led the Hitler Youth and sent children to war.

                      См. подробно - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/611911b7ff76794868f7e6aa/preemniki-nemeckih-nacistov-vo-glave-sovremennoi-germanii-62261b28145f5c59bb5b77ce
                  2. -1
                    27 September 2022 19: 44
                    Russia should stop selling raw materials to the EU yesterday. Let them look for a replacement even in Africa, even in America. It will cost more. And this is good. Will all goods rise in price? Excellent. The desire to give expensive Leopards will immediately disappear. The enemy must be strangled bloodlessly. Economically. Stop shooting. In our time, it is enough to turn off the light - and Europe is a corpse.
                3. +4
                  27 September 2022 15: 19
                  Yes, go there, find who benefits, who ordered. In space, on the ISS, they could not find which dog drilled a hole in the skin and caused a leak, but here under water, in general, look for fistulas!
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                1. +1
                  27 September 2022 14: 00
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  The German parliament is seriously afraid that gas to Germany through the Nord Stream may never go.

                  In this situation, one way or another, the "ears" of the United States are visible.
                  Look for those who benefit from it!
                  And SALES in Germany "useful for the USA go you" - "liver sausage" Olaf Scholz and the goofy "green" pro-American Annalena Burbock and others - are personally careeristically extremely interested in favor of their owners from Washington!

                  At the same time the economic crisis of Germany - and without war (!) - already located as economists define at the level of 1948.

                  Where the German authorities, under the auspices of their chancellor Olaf Scholz, the grandson of an SS general, will send their unemployed and disgruntled Germans, of course! Again: "Nach Osten!"
                  You can't expect anything else!


                  And where will we send the unemployed Germans? That's right, at a well-known address, as you said: Nach. good
                  We always send them there for the last thousand years. laughing
            2. 0
              27 September 2022 12: 30
              Quote: Bearded
              I am for a war between Denmark and Germany. soldier

              Shaw, again?! © smile
              Where can the Germans now find Moltke and Goeben ...
            3. +4
              27 September 2022 12: 49
              Quote: Bearded
              I am for a war between Denmark and Germany.

              Another 8 hour war? In which Germany will lose two dead from laughter and 10 victims of drinking ...
              1. 0
                27 September 2022 15: 50
                Quote: Fitter65
                Another 8 hour war? In which Germany will lose two dead from laughter and 10 victims of drinking ...

                No, with the current Bundeswehr "after Frau the gynecologist" this will not work. Here, rather, there will be a new edition of the Battle of Dybbøl.
                1. 0
                  27 September 2022 17: 05
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  No, with the current Bundeswehr "after Frau the gynecologist" this will not work.

                  By the way, gynecologist, this is not tolerant. Must be a gynecologist-practitioner, well, and a little bit of a veterinarian. laughing laughing laughing And on account
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Battles of Dybbøl

                  these are hardly the wrong times, and tolerance is already over the edge, on both sides ... good drinks
            4. +3
              27 September 2022 12: 55
              Quote: Bearded
              I am for a war between Denmark and Germany.

              Last time, Denmark fought hard for six hours! lol
            5. +2
              27 September 2022 13: 27
              Quote: Bearded
              It was Denmark who blew up the gas pipeline so that Germany could not win back.
              Danes - don't put your finger in their mouths. And they killed Prince Hamlet. Citizen Bender also wanted to declare war on them.
              Wangyu: it could not have done without England. And they have the technology. different from many others. The mistress of the seas, so to speak ...
            6. +1
              27 September 2022 15: 37
              Quote: Bearded
              Germany needs to capture the Danish island of Bornholm in order not to freeze.

              Leaks in both the Danish and Swedish zones. Who is to blame, without a bottle, you can’t understand.
              There is no time to figure it out, the Germans must quickly declare war on the Danes, Swedes and Poles in order to pile on them well.
              To the Poles, just in case - what if they are also to blame?
          2. +2
            27 September 2022 12: 03
            Why such difficulties? They carry in bags!
        2. 0
          27 September 2022 12: 48
          Quote: forester
          I also think so - they drilled holes and pull slowly

          What to rub? No new gas enters the pipes. As I understand it, he was there only to compensate for the water pressure on the pipes.
      2. +1
        27 September 2022 11: 48
        Ours seems to be writing about the severe destruction of the pipeline ..
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 12: 08
          Quote: vitvit123
          they seem to write about severe destruction of the pipeline ..

          Throw a link, who writes?
          1. +1
            27 September 2022 12: 55
            Peskov has so far publicly stated that he does not exclude that this is a sabotage.
            1. +1
              27 September 2022 13: 26
              does not exclude and have already decided this is the essence of two different things
              1. 0
                27 September 2022 13: 27
                Yes, this is understandable. It's just his job to broadcast ....
              2. 0
                27 September 2022 13: 57
                and "knew in advance" - the third "thing"
          2. 0
            27 September 2022 13: 00
            Read the news, there is no desire to search for information for every sneeze, all the more, I think in the near future there will be a more accurate picture
            1. 0
              27 September 2022 13: 26
              Quote: vitvit123
              for every sneeze, there is no desire to search for information

              sneeze less, there is not a word about great destruction on any major news resource
              1. 0
                27 September 2022 13: 45
                Here is the link. The Germans are already moaning about sabotage and great destruction.

                https://topcor.ru/28322-gazoprovody-sp-1-i-sp-2-poluchili-besprecedentnye-povrezhdenija-nemeckie-smi-govorjat-o-diversii.html
              2. 0
                27 September 2022 14: 37
                The person gave the link below! Did you feel better or are you all getting richer?
                1. 0
                  27 September 2022 14: 57
                  link ABOUT ANYTHING, it was like this since the morning, maybe, maybe, etc.
                  WHERE ARE THE LINKS TO "Our people seem to write about the severe destruction of the pipeline .."?
                  and try not to be rude, you seemed to be politely spoken to
                  1. 0
                    27 September 2022 15: 01
                    Yes, I didn’t seem to be rude to you anywhere .. but if you are talking about wealth, then after a bunch of news agencies have already broadcast it, they cling to me with the provision of links ..,
                    This is a clear confirmation that you are already rich!... goodbye! wink
      3. +13
        27 September 2022 11: 51
        Quote: Wend
        Europe has begun its usual craft - theft

        What is there to steal - there is gas for 1 day, about 50 million cubic meters. m, and the Fritz spend 5 billion a month in the best of times, and now 1,3-1,5 billion. So it was the Polish whores who blew it up at the behest of the United States. The US continues to plunder Europe, gutting the financial capsules of the Old World. They do not feel sorry for Ukraine: the more Russians die in the Russian civil war, the better. They will make the hyena of Europe the next Reich: the Poles are pumped up with weapons, they will be provided with Nazism, and the mobilization potential there will be from the refugees of the Ukrainians and, in fact, the Poles, whom neither the French nor the Anglo-Saxons have ever felt sorry for.
        1. +14
          27 September 2022 11: 58
          "So it was the Polish whores who blew up at the behest of the United States."
          that's for sure. forced to download through xoxland. if grandfather had Faberge, he blocked all the pipes, and waited until the partners repaired
          1. +5
            27 September 2022 12: 06
            Quote: aglet
            . if

            But alas...
          2. +16
            27 September 2022 12: 08
            I’m the only one who wonders how a pipe lies calmly in the war zone and NOT A SINGLE plop has flown through it so far?)) Maybe it’s time to miss and write it off as h.o.h.l.o. in everything?
            1. 0
              27 September 2022 12: 35
              Quote: Sauron80
              I’m the only one who wonders how a pipe lies calmly in the war zone and NOT A SINGLE plop has flown through it so far?)) Maybe it’s time to miss and write it off as h.o.h.l.o. in everything?

              Where the pipe lies, even hostilities did not take place (Sumy region) ... laughing
              1. 0
                27 September 2022 12: 51
                "Where the pipe lies, even hostilities did not take place (Sumy region) ..."
                in general, they passed, but quickly made a gesture, God forbid. like in Chechnya, when no one touched the refinery
                1. 0
                  27 September 2022 13: 47
                  All main gas, oil and other underground wires are marked on the outside - such inconspicuous posts stand and they say, for example, "Friendship" or something like that. Plus, finding the coordinates is not a problem at all, there would be a desire)
              2. 0
                27 September 2022 13: 00
                and main gas pipelines are actually laid underground, but from above it’s good if the clearing is more or less cleared ... but in the field you don’t understand at all where the pipe is located.
            2. 0
              27 September 2022 13: 01
              Quote: Sauron80
              I’m the only one who wonders how a pipe lies calmly in the war zone and NOT A SINGLE plop has flown through it so far?)) Maybe it’s time to miss and write it off as h.o.h.l.o. in everything?

              In India, cows have a free lifestyle and no one thinks about beef - a taboo! Holy cow!
          3. 0
            27 September 2022 12: 57
            there, the pipes will be crushed by external water pressure and that's it, if not compensated by gas pressure from the inside. and kirdyk to this joint venture
            1. +3
              27 September 2022 14: 43
              Quote: Nexcom
              there the pipes will be crushed by the external pressure of the water

              It's not that easy to crush them.
              At special plants, the outer surface of the pipe is covered with a layer of concrete 60–110 mm thick. The coating is reinforced with steel rods welded to the body, and a filler in the form of iron ore is added to the concrete to make it heavier. After concreting, the pipe acquires a weight of about 24 tons. It has serious protection against mechanical influences, and the additional mass allows it to lie stably on the bottom.
      4. +12
        27 September 2022 12: 08
        I would remind the audience that ON THESE DAYS, on the territory of the Baltic borderlands, Uncle Sam began military exercises with the development of a "forced transfer" of rapid readiness forces to their territory. Including the delivery of contingents and weapons and military equipment to their coast along the Baltic waters ...

        "The rest", - "think out" ourselves ...
        1. +3
          27 September 2022 12: 14
          Yes and more...

          It was today that the Poles put the Pipeline into operation. It's hard to call it a "gas pipeline". Rather, it is a "pipette" for the passage of 2 billion cubic meters of "Norwegian gas" (at the "Norwegian" price ...) per year. For representation, this is approximately the volume of annual consumption of such a limitrophy - an economic dwarf, like "latvia" ...

          For the Poles, he will cover about 10% of their annual gas consumption, he will "physically" cut off any "alternatives" and make himself "successful" extremely in their interests ...
        2. 0
          27 September 2022 12: 52
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          I would remind the audience that ON THESE DAYS, on the territory of the Baltic borderlands, Uncle Sam began military exercises with the development of a "forced transfer" of rapid readiness forces to their territory. Including the delivery of contingents and weapons and military equipment to their coast along the Baltic waters ...

          "The rest", - "think out" ourselves ...

          Not an expert, so do not throw slippers if I ask a stupid question.

          I'm talking about sabotage.
          And theoretically, is it possible to throw something off a fishing launch, so that it explodes there, at the bottom, and damages the gas pipeline?
          1. +3
            27 September 2022 13: 02
            I think that you can quit, the question is what would "hit".
            1. 0
              27 September 2022 13: 30
              Quote: wlkw
              I think that you can quit, the question is what would "hit".

              That's what I was asking about.
              Maybe there are some super-duper radars that will "see" the pipe at a depth? After all, it's not four kilometers deep there.
              1. +1
                27 September 2022 22: 04
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Quote: wlkw
                I think that you can quit, the question is what would "hit".

                That's what I was asking about.
                Maybe there are some super-duper radars that will "see" the pipe at a depth? After all, it's not four kilometers deep there.

                An ordinary echo sounder, it sees perfectly. The depths there are not great, at the place of the explosion it is 70 meters, professionals without scuba diving dive to such a depth. And most likely an underwater drone.
          2. +1
            27 September 2022 13: 28
            And why "blow up"? .. Yes, and even "dropping"?

            It's easier, a small "deep" charge directly near (or above) the pipeline, using an unmanned underwater vehicle to search for and "clear" dangerous objects, blow it up. And the delivery is imperceptible and there are fewer performers ...

            You can simply, "something", inaccurately "hurt". Incl. from a submerged position. After all, this is not a "leak" in the truest sense of the word (with a gradual drop in pressure, due to the loss of proper tightness by the structure) This is a "sharp drop" in pressure, i.e. EXACTLY THE BREAK...
            1. 0
              27 September 2022 13: 34
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              It's easier, a small "deep" charge directly near (or above) the pipeline, using an unmanned underwater vehicle to search for and "clear" dangerous objects, blow it up. And the delivery is imperceptible and there are fewer performers ...

              In short, from your comment, I understood that sabotage. No options.

              Ukraine will break its hands in the blood, applauding.
              1. +6
                27 September 2022 13: 54
                You see ...

                When two identical events such as "accidents", almost synchronously, occur on two physically SEPARATELY located and STRUCTURALLY-TECHNOLOGICALLY non-combined objects, highly reliable in terms of design and operational plan of objects. In addition, they have a completely identical nature of manifestation (signs), it is possible to assume something "other" only with a very "developed" fantasy ...
                1. +1
                  27 September 2022 14: 02
                  In addition, in the Baltic, in "such cases" there is always a beautiful opportunity to "transfer arrows" to "unexploded ordnance". WWI or WWII times. Fortunately, as such, the water area was quite generous, dotted with "all sides". The same underwater mines ...

                  And so they were looking for them - they were looking for twenty years for NATO members, at all the annual BALTOPSAs. And on you...

                  Such an annoyance ... They "got" right up to Revel, Vindava and Libava, And under their noses near Denmark themselves they "did not spot" ...
                  1. +1
                    27 September 2022 18: 00
                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    In addition, in the Baltic, in "such cases" there is always a beautiful opportunity to "transfer arrows" to "unexploded ordnance".

                    Half an hour ago I heard on TV that devices for remote demining (or mining? Because they carry out demining by detonation) are a complicated thing and the United States and Great Britain have them. Moreover, without an order from Washington, there will be nothing from the word "completely."
                    But they are already saying that the small British "transferred technology" (as they said on TV) of this case to Ukraine.

                    In general, one thing is clear - as usual, the star-striped ears again stick out in all directions.
      5. +7
        27 September 2022 12: 15
        Quote: Wend
        Europe has begun its usual craft - theft

        I think this is just a sabotage of the party interested in cutting off gas supplies. The work of the CIA, not otherwise.
      6. 0
        27 September 2022 12: 25
        It seems that "partners" are tearing all economic ties ...
        1. RGB
          +2
          27 September 2022 12: 42
          How the word "partners" annoys me when our supreme utters it!
          1. +1
            27 September 2022 12: 51
            Partners are different, I like it - it sounds like a mockery)))
            1. +1
              27 September 2022 13: 25
              There are also sexual partners
        2. 0
          27 September 2022 14: 05
          but there is no feeling that the "partners" themselves are being torn at the same time, and all from the INSIDE? Remember "the worse - the better" in the Russian revolution? I may be wrong, but the logic of the World Globalist Revolution (or the counter (?) Bourgeois do;) what is happening fits like a piece in a puzzle.
      7. +2
        27 September 2022 12: 30
        sabotage ... it's time to tear the transatlantic cables, including the management of NATO facilities and information taken from satellites!
      8. +1
        27 September 2022 13: 40
        The depth in the Baltic is small - it is not very difficult to launch a small submersible unmanned vehicle and do a vile job.

        Look for the reason in Estonia/Lithuania.
      9. +1
        27 September 2022 15: 16
        Quote: Wend
        Europe has begun its usual craft - theft

        This is the work of the US... (Possible, but unlikely, GB) Do you know why? Because:
        TV presenter Andrey Norkin shared a secret insider, revealing the fate of Ukraine after the end of the referendums in the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions...
        Gas transportation infrastructure of Ukraine and all Ukrainian power plants will be liquidated, he said. This will lead to the fact that Russian gas will no longer be exported to Europe.

        Without gas Ukraine is waiting for the death of the economy. That is why, by blowing up the joint venture, the United States did not leave Russia a choice for gas transportation.
        True, Russia has another way out ... And this pipe in the Black Sea can repeat the fate of the joint venture.
        The gas transportation system of Ukraine needs to be closed ... Europe still has time to restore the joint venture.
        1. 0
          27 September 2022 18: 46
          Pipelines filled with sea water. This is an aggressive environment for metal. How can I get this water out? And after such an impact, the pipeline will no longer be launched.
          1. 0
            27 September 2022 18: 57
            I only know that the Baltic Sea has a low salt content. I have no idea about the methods of repairing marine GTM.
    2. -1
      27 September 2022 11: 48
      Our boys looked about. Bornholm, no?
    3. +2
      27 September 2022 11: 49
      It turns out there was not one rodent with a mattress coloring ... but a whole family ....
    4. -8
      27 September 2022 11: 50
      What a nightmare. There is no gas to Germany, when it will now be completely incomprehensible, the price for Europe is going up again ...

      As an option, a group of Navy divers with hand drills is presented for state awards: laughing
      1. -1
        27 September 2022 12: 05
        As an option, a group of Navy divers with hand drills is presented for state awards: laughing

        Namely - Petrov and Boshirov. wink
      2. 0
        27 September 2022 12: 06
        As an option, a group of Navy divers with hand drills is presented for state awards

        I will clarify - a group of divers shaking the gas pipe. wink
        Coincidence?...

        1. +2
          27 September 2022 13: 02
          Isn't this one of those divers who specialize in pipe wobbling by chance?


          1. 0
            27 September 2022 13: 20
            Isn't this one of those divers who specialize in pipe wobbling by chance?

            You have uncovered our most terrible saboteur! laughing drinks
            1. +1
              27 September 2022 13: 22
              laughing Thank you, I VERY tried to clarify the topic. laughing drinks
      3. 0
        27 September 2022 22: 08
        Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
        What a nightmare. There is no gas to Germany, when it will now be completely incomprehensible, the price for Europe is going up again ...

        As an option, a group of Navy divers with hand drills is presented for state awards: laughing

        And it didn’t occur to you that it’s easier to turn the valve than to spoil your property.
    5. +8
      27 September 2022 11: 50
      Member of the Greens party Jürgen Trittin, who is a member of the Bundestag, said that "underwater sabotage" could have taken place. At the same time, Germany admits that it is extremely difficult to carry out sabotage on an underwater gas pipeline, technical capabilities are needed. The German parliament is seriously afraid that gas to Germany through the Nord Stream may never go.
      . What is incomprehensible?
      Look for someone who benefits, nothing more ...
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 12: 01
        rocket757 Look for someone who benefits, no more ...

        After 1-2 months. we will find out who was profitable (politically and economically) and who will warm their hands.
        1. +6
          27 September 2022 12: 07
          Then, many will understand who it was NOT FAVORABLE.
          But, the train, by then, will have gone far.
      2. +8
        27 September 2022 12: 05
        Ilyich also postulated - if you don’t understand something, always look for the financial interests of the ruling class, but not for the bourgeoisie. Don't be mistaken..
        1. +3
          27 September 2022 12: 09
          He was a smart man, Vladimir Ilyich.
          However, he was not the only one who pointed this out, everything was painfully obvious.
          1. +7
            27 September 2022 12: 13
            He was a smart man, Vladimir Ilyich.

            Not that word. I re-read it from time to time - it seems that he writes about our times .. Everything is amazingly relevant .. A direct guide to what is happening .. It is a pity that in Soviet times we were too lazy to read it for some reason .. If we read it - you look, everything would turn out differently ..
            1. +2
              27 September 2022 12: 20
              So serious public people are regularly advised to remember / read HISTORY, both ours and the world.
              If not all questions can be answered there, then most, for sure.
              1. +3
                27 September 2022 12: 24
                This is because for some reason people always consider themselves much smarter than their ancestors .. Like - they were wild, but we are so advanced .. And it doesn’t occur to me to look, but how did we deal with similar situations before? Or why didn't they do it? And there have always been situations - the essence of man does not change much .. Therefore, the problems in the Russian Federation and, say, in republican Rome are very similar ..
                1. +2
                  27 September 2022 12: 28
                  The essence of man, vices, habits ... that's how they differ in the present from the former ???
                  In my opinion, NOTHING.
                  Those. the root of the current problems is the same as before ... except that the wrapper is different, and even then not always.
                  1. +3
                    27 September 2022 12: 42
                    Well - until humanity reaches a radically different level of consciousness, the communist one, it will not differ in anything .. Both the citizens of the Russian Federation and the Roman plebeian have the same problems .. Just at a different technological level ..
                    1. 0
                      27 September 2022 13: 02
                      I do not think that the communist level of consciousness, if we ever achieve it, will be very different from ours. The basis of the mind will not change in any way from a change in the social system. As there was a meat brain with slow moving nerve impulses and a poor ability to accumulate information, it will remain so. We need to change the base. Instead of a brain out of meat, make your own brains out of silicon, for example. In which nerve impulses will move at the speed of light, which will speed up the course of our thoughts hundreds of thousands of times, and information will be recorded the first time and forever. Until you decide to delete it yourself. Yes, and then it will not be necessary to die. If you want, live in your silicon brain for at least billions of years.
                      Now it will be really a different level of consciousness. Just know what? The result will differ sharply from the modern concept of "man". But it is not surprising. As soon as we reach a really different level of consciousness in any way (I just described the one that I personally find most attractive), we will immediately cease to be human in the current sense.
                      Alas, the change in the social system has never caused such shifts in history. As we were people, we remained.
                      1. +3
                        27 September 2022 13: 09
                        Communism is not so much a social system as a cardinal change in the social consciousness.. More precisely, not even changes, but a return to normal, just at a different technological level. No wonder the classics introduced the term - primitive communism? Communism is natural for humanity, we have lived under it for hundreds of thousands of years. Simply because otherwise they would not have stupidly survived .. And only the last 10 years - some other relationship began, based on greed and inequality .. And genetics and the subcortex - you can’t deceive them ..

                        History develops in a spiral, as Marxism teaches. Returning to the old forms on a different level. So - communism is inevitable, whatever one may say. Unless, of course, the bourgeoisie will kill us all until then ..
                        1. 0
                          27 September 2022 13: 51
                          Quote: paul3390
                          And genetics and subcortex - you can’t fool them.

                          So this is where the proposal comes from: to change the subcortex, and to abandon the biological basis = genetics altogether.
      3. +2
        27 September 2022 12: 07
        Look for someone who benefits, nothing more ...
        Everything that is done is beneficial to Russia and Putin. Are you not used to it yet? Even sunset with sunrise - exactly according to our order! feel
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 12: 12
          You can not personify ... there is a ruling class that takes care of its own interests, first of all, secondly and ....
          That's not news.
        2. +2
          27 September 2022 12: 57
          Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
          Look for someone who benefits, nothing more ...
          Everything that is done is beneficial to Russia and Putin. Are you not used to it yet? Even sunset with sunrise - exactly according to our order! feel

          I wonder why they haven't been canceled in Europe yet?
          And most importantly - by decree of the European Union to cancel the winter ... lol
      4. +3
        27 September 2022 12: 07
        And what is incomprehensible?
        Look for someone who benefits, nothing more ...

        There, something Scholz began to swagger. I did not want to deliver something to Ukraine. Well, everything will be accommodating now. The cockerel is crowing.
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 12: 14
          His unwillingnesses always move to another plane, soon.
          This no longer surprises anyone.
      5. 0
        27 September 2022 12: 44
        What difficulties, from a fishing vessel to drop a series of charges with deceleration.
        And the benefits - where they transfer production, the same Volkswagen, to the states.
        This does not mean that the machines will be transported directly. Just components will be manufactured at the factories of the same jm.
        1. +2
          27 September 2022 12: 53
          Quote: KVIRTU
          What difficulties

          No, no, it's not that simple...
          If you are interested, read how pipelines are protected from all sorts of such "simple".
          That's about the geyropes, everything is clear there, the robbery is in full swing.
          1. 0
            27 September 2022 16: 46
            Understood thanks.
            Is there any protection against sabotage ...
            1. +1
              27 September 2022 16: 55
              Protection against "simply thrown small charges from above" is provided.
              This will not save you from a serious, prepared sabotage ...
              You can shoot a large charge in place ... but it will be very noisy, i.e. will/may start looking for who did it in hot/noisy pursuit...
    6. +4
      27 September 2022 11: 50
      state terrorism begins, I wonder who
      in theory, it’s kind of like the Yankees, look for someone who benefits
    7. +1
      27 September 2022 11: 51
      Biden rubs his hands, his gas will cost-how much, how much?
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 12: 32
        Quote: Alexander 3
        Biden rubs his hands, his gas will cost-how much, how much?

        His gas will cost as much as Biden installs. Those who have gas rub their hands, those who buy gas wipe away their tears.
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 12: 50
          They wipe away tears and prepare for the earth, fu was mistaken for winter.
          1. 0
            27 September 2022 18: 17
            Quote: Alexander 3
            They wipe away tears and prepare for the earth, fu was mistaken for winter.


            Not very wrong, however.
    8. +8
      27 September 2022 11: 51
      How so? He worked for so many years, and then one day he lost weight, but in several places at once? It’s fantastic about SP-2, it hasn’t really been used yet ... It’s starting to dawn on the Germans that these are tricks of the Anglo-Saxons .... but they won’t say out loud ...., they will start rolling a barrel on Gazprom .... Not make friends with those, oh, not with those ..... Wangyu, that by the end of the week and on the outskirts the pipe will collapse .....
    9. -5
      27 September 2022 11: 52
      It itself ..... No, but what? It happens. I’ll throw in an idea for state propaganda (although I understand that it is hopelessly stupid and lazy): blow all the fanfare that these are the British, Germans, Americans, the collective West, etc. (underline as necessary). When will our (and ours?) heralds learn to wage an information war? In vain they only eat bread and trample the earth ....
      1. +3
        27 September 2022 12: 04
        blow all the fanfare
        What about the meaning? They will say, in any case, these are Russians on purpose: the turbines were spoiled ahead of time, and now the pipes! In addition, the pipeline itself is unlikely to belong to Gazprom ... According to the principle: who shouts the loudest "stop the thief!" And this will be the main argument of the accusers.
    10. +4
      27 September 2022 11: 52
      The reason for the leaks is not yet clear.

      Yeah, why are they laughing... smile
      1. +3
        27 September 2022 12: 11
        Yeah, why are they laughing...
        Shh, be quiet! And so Boshirov and Petrov walk home on foot across Europe, hiding from prying eyes a couple of objects that look a lot like a perforated drill... wassat
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 14: 01
          And so Boshirov and Petrov go home on foot

          It just doesn't work for these people.
    11. +4
      27 September 2022 11: 55
      Ours is two steps behind. It was necessary to break the gas pipeline through Ukraine earlier. And Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 were built with our money, and all these gas pipelines were bypassing Ukraine. And now, as they say, all gas will be pumped through Ukraine and they will be paid money for transit, the country with which we are now at war.
      1. -1
        27 September 2022 11: 57
        And now, as they say, all gas will be pumped through Ukraine and they will be paid money for transit, the country with which we are now at war

        Who is speaking?
        hi
        1. +3
          27 September 2022 12: 09
          With pipelines in the maritime economic zone, we need a specialist in maritime law. We are waiting for our captains to catch up. hi
          1. -1
            27 September 2022 12: 12
            With pipelines in the maritime economic zone, we need a specialist in maritime law. We are waiting for our captains to catch up.
            hi welcome
          2. +3
            27 September 2022 12: 38
            Quote: tralflot1832
            We are waiting for our captains to catch up.

            Here the captains will no longer help, maritime law, like any international law, no longer exists.
            Now international law has slipped to the autumn of 1939 - "The one who has more power is right."
            1. +1
              27 September 2022 12: 52
              At least our sanctioned vessels can work quietly, holes in pipelines are not in territorial waters. But we need it.
              1. +4
                27 September 2022 12: 58
                Quote: tralflot1832
                holes in pipelines not in territorial waters

                If the hole is in the territorial waters, the adjoining country will be blamed, if the hole in international waters is force majeure. What a diversion, there is no need to guess.
          3. +1
            27 September 2022 13: 40
            United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea Article 58 para. 1. - 1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, both coastal and landlocked, shall enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms of navigation and overflight referred to in Article 87, laying of submarine cables and pipelines and other uses of the sea that are lawful under international law relating to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and consistent with the other provisions of this Convention. (Article 87 - All States shall exercise these freedoms, with due regard to the interest of other States in enjoying the freedom of the high seas). In the article - freedom of installation and operation - so the question is not the right, the question is the sanctions
            1. +2
              27 September 2022 15: 03
              I don’t even know what our actions are, we can look at the damage, there are such ships. But repairing this is a big question. hi
              1. +1
                27 September 2022 15: 30
                first to understand what kind of destruction - in hot pursuit there is not much information yet, but there are times such that a leak will occur, and then .. options, options ... when the sanctions on SP-2 began, there was a variant of welding under water, there is technology ... for installation it is somehow, but for repair ... I think to wait a bit and something will become clearer ... but for now you can re-read the comments https://topwar.ru/188140-vozmozhna-li-podvodnaja-diversija-na-gazoprovode- severnyj-potok-2.html
        2. +2
          27 September 2022 12: 17
          Who is speaking?

          Residents of the 404th, above you comment on what.
      2. +4
        27 September 2022 12: 05
        Le gazoduc qui traverse l'Ukraine peut lui aussi avoir un problème "inexpliqué" :-)

        The gas pipeline passing through Ukraine may also have "inexplicable" problems :-)
        1. -1
          27 September 2022 12: 46
          By the way, yes - since such a booze has begun, why not happen to the "accidental" arrival of PointU? Like, the Ukrainians missed ...
      3. -1
        27 September 2022 12: 07
        Quote from witcher
        and pay them money for transit, the country with which we are now at war.

        There tomorrow something will probably explode air conditioning request transit will end
      4. +2
        27 September 2022 12: 13
        "gas will be pumped through Ukraine and they will be paid money for transit, the country with which we are now at war."
        and now we download and pay
      5. +2
        27 September 2022 13: 24
        Only one thing is not clear who needs to pump ALL the gas through Ukraine? It has not yet been pumped through Ukraine in the presence of LNG1 and completely unused LNG2, and now they will not be pumped, yet according to the agreement, how much is supposed to be through Ukraine, but not much. It's good that the sabotage is not arranged in our waters. Gazprom management can generally turn off their phones and go fishing for another month)
      6. 0
        27 September 2022 14: 06
        Quote from witcher
        And now, as they say, all gas will be pumped through Ukraine

        At a time when the leadership of the Ukrainians abandoned the branch through Sokhranivka, and only one branch remained through Suzhna - "Transferring volumes to the Sudzha GIS, based on the Russian flow scheme, is technologically impossible, the distribution of volumes is clearly stated in the cooperation agreement dated 30.12.2019/20220510/1787792783, and the Ukrainian side is well aware of this," he said in a message on Gazprom's Telegram channel. https://ria.ru/XNUMX/gazprom-XNUMX.html
    12. 0
      27 September 2022 11: 57
      The maximum pipe wall thickness is only 41 mm. Easily penetrated by a cumulative anti-tank charge. An additional concrete weight coating is unlikely to save. The Baltic is a shallow sea, near the island of Bornholm, the depths do not exceed several tens of meters - they are accessible even to an ordinary scuba diver. So the Ukrainian saboteurs could well play a trick. With a satisfied American grin behind his back.
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 12: 06
        There, it seems that the pipe was covered with stones from above, so the scuba diver must have the skills to work with a shovel, well, or a small underwater excavator. laughing
      2. +2
        27 September 2022 12: 17
        "So the Ukrainian saboteurs could well play a trick"
        it is unlikely that they would have sailed from Kuev on foot. this was done by the one who has submarines carrying saboteurs, and the saboteurs themselves. but there are few of them, and Psheks with Angles are the first in line
        1. +4
          27 September 2022 12: 26
          Yes, the damage sites are just opposite Poland. Well, Germany? Tired of bending over? Can you send these "partners" to hell? Can we repair, launch, and military patrols along the threads?
          1. +2
            27 September 2022 13: 04
            Quote: Pavel73
            Yes, the damage sites are just opposite Poland. Well, Germany? Tired of bending over? Can you send these "partners" to hell? Can we repair, launch, and military patrols along the threads?

            Unfortunately, this will not happen!
            SALES "useful for the US go you" - "liver sausage" Olaf Scholz and the goofy "green" pro-American Annalena Burbock - no one in Germany will be allowed to do this!
            Besides the economic crisis of Germany - and without war (!) - is already located, as economists define it, at the level of 1948.
    13. +2
      27 September 2022 12: 01
      “The German parliament is seriously afraid that gas to Germany through the Nord Stream may never go again.”

      ***
      - Showed off...


      ***
      1. -1
        27 September 2022 12: 07
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
        gas to Germany via Nord Stream may never go again

        Irony of fate: the desire to get "visa-free" led to "gas-free". This means that the economy of Germany and the EU is doomed. Cuiprodest? Cui bono? ("Look for who benefits")
    14. +10
      27 September 2022 12: 01
      It's time to lose weight GTS of Ukraine. A very long time ago.
    15. 0
      27 September 2022 12: 03
      I would call this a completely normal situation.
      How could one explain the supply of natural resources to Germany in the conditions of the Great Patriotic War.
      Having declared themselves hostile states, it is foolish to expect to receive any cookies at all.
    16. 0
      27 September 2022 12: 03
      Hmm, for the EU the situation is, to put it mildly, awful! Given the technical difficulties of repairing the underwater gas pipeline, meteorological ones will join them in the face of winds and storms, so the matter will drag on for at least six months!
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 12: 22
        "Hmm, for the EU the situation is, to put it mildly, awful!"
        Yes, where does the EU, look at the list of beneficiaries of Gazprom. there are few Russians there, even few Jews. will be forced to repair at the expense of the budget. as always, the privatization of profits and the nationalization of losses. Gazprom has always been famous for this
      2. 0
        27 September 2022 18: 53
        Never run SP again. Just build a new one.
    17. +1
      27 September 2022 12: 03
      it is extremely difficult to carry out sabotage on an underwater gas pipeline, technical capabilities are needed

      Yes, what opportunities are there - I threw a bag of dynamite from the boat and that's it. The main thing is to do exactly over the place ..
    18. -2
      27 September 2022 12: 03
      It is necessary to appoint the guilty and declare. Why are we silent?
    19. +6
      27 September 2022 12: 04
      3 out of 4 lines of gas pipelines were damaged, all 2 certified lines at SP1 with a spread, one for the Danish tervods, the other for the Swedish ones. SP2 damaged 1 non-certified line at Danish Bornholm.
    20. fiv
      +7
      27 September 2022 12: 07
      There have been doves. Now, whether you like it or not, build LNG terminals, get gas from America. For the price they ask. And they will ask - they will not be ashamed. For allies, partners. Europe sunset. Her own hands. Terpily rear-wheel drive. And how did Sweden not catch the saboteurs - does it even fart like a herring, does it hear?
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 12: 26
        "Now, whether you like it or not, build LNG terminals, get gas from America."
        terminals have been built for a long time, there are no problems here. billions of full-fledged Russian rubles (from the budget, most likely) are drowned at the bottom of the Baltic. xoxly rub their hands in anticipation of payments for transit - there will be something to cry for weapons
    21. +4
      27 September 2022 12: 07
      Everything was covered with pipelines for a long time. Now the question is who did it. The Germans are already panicking about this sabotage. If the depth is not very large, then scuba divers from the surface could also.
      1. fiv
        +5
        27 September 2022 12: 14
        You don’t even have to guess - Poland, the United States and the British. I propose to call this boil that way - the countries of the boil
    22. +4
      27 September 2022 12: 07
      Recently, unidentified underwater attack unmanned vehicles were reported, maybe similar products are involved there?
    23. -1
      27 September 2022 12: 09
      Following Denmark, Sweden announced a gas leak from the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline in its special economic zone

      Is the European economy everything?
      1. +4
        27 September 2022 12: 28
        Evil ursulka said that the EU will refuse Russian gas. Everything! Refused....
    24. +4
      27 September 2022 12: 10
      Definitely an outside influence! In shallow water, just three threads! Performers: USA (drove UDC to the Baltic) or Great Britain. Could the Swedes!)
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 13: 22
        Quote: Sergey39
        Performers: USA (drove UDC to the Baltic) or Great Britain. Could the Swedes!)

        It remains to determine the culprit and destroy. Be it a country or a group of people. I would bang on the Yellowstone volcano in the USA. wassat
        1. -3
          27 September 2022 13: 45
          This is a "private" matter of PJSC "GP". However.
    25. +3
      27 September 2022 12: 13
      I propose to detect a leak from the Norwegian gas pipeline, I think 100 meters of the pipe will be enough if it accidentally breaks.
    26. +2
      27 September 2022 12: 13
      we'll fix the pipe...
      But only to stretch this matter for half a year - no less!
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 17: 56
        What will we do? Sanctions have been imposed on the provision of the necessary equipment. laughing
    27. 0
      27 September 2022 12: 22
      Hmm ...
      Now the water in the Baltic is carbonated.
      Now to add more syrup...
      But seriously ... Russia will not receive windfall now.
      Who achieved it the most?
      1. fiv
        0
        27 September 2022 13: 22
        The power of Siberia does not pass through the Baltic. She passes through Siberia
    28. +1
      27 September 2022 12: 24
      Without the Americans, it certainly could not have done! With shaves. Crap Europe, and us. winked
    29. -4
      27 September 2022 12: 25
      Looks like the pressure in the pipes has dropped. the water just crushed the pipes.
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 13: 24
        It would crush the pipes if you pump gas from there, and if you carefully read what is written about a sharp decrease in pressure, then it will simply fill with water. You need to think a little.
      2. 0
        27 September 2022 22: 28
        Quote: zxc15682
        Looks like the pressure in the pipes has dropped. the water just crushed the pipes.

        It crushed at a depth of 70 meters, you would at least ask what is the world record for diving without scuba gear.
    30. +3
      27 September 2022 12: 27
      I hope that from day to day there will be a hole in the Baltic Pipe and, what is characteristic, in the same area! Baltic Triangle!
    31. 0
      27 September 2022 12: 27
      Kirdyk West. The suzerain tried to prevent the vassals from jumping off.
    32. Two
      +1
      27 September 2022 12: 29
      hi Miller to be executed for filling and maintaining pressure in unused pipes! Reduce the salary of a million to the minimum wage! Reduce ties with Western "friends" to pigeon mail!
    33. 0
      27 September 2022 12: 29
      First, the pressure dropped to 0 in one pipe of SP-2, now on SP-1. In my opinion, this is just an open sabotage against the owners of SP-2, SP-1. They do not want Russian gas to be forced to run in cold weather, even under the threat of popular riots in Europe.
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 12: 59
        Quote: Former soldier
        First, the pressure dropped to 0 in one pipe of SP-2, now on SP-1.

        Well, it didn’t fall to 0, it was reported according to SP-2 that it fell to 6-7 bar, in terms of the depth scale, if we calculate that the pressure drop has stopped, then if the destruction of one string of SP-2 is roughly somewhere at a depth of ~ 62-75 meters.
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 13: 07
          Right now all the pipes are full of water. Cut out the damaged area, weld in a new one, pump out water, turn on gas, everything is probably provided. But... WINTER is on the way! And the winter Baltic is an abomination.
          1. -2
            27 September 2022 20: 15
            Why let gas to Europe? For people who look at Russia as a lousy bum, we are second-class for them. So how long will we humiliate ourselves and slavishly ask: uncle, buy .. an inexpensive gazik. Wouldn't they go to...? Just because the sanctions have not been getting tired of riveting since 2014, everything should have been turned off a long time ago. And look for partners and money elsewhere. Well, I don’t understand: why do the authorities disrespect themselves so much and crawl before the West? So if we ourselves behave like this, God himself ordered them to humiliate and spit on us)
    34. +2
      27 September 2022 12: 34
      Quote: Negruz
      And now, as they say, all gas will be pumped through Ukraine and they will be paid money for transit, the country with which we are now at war

      Who is speaking?
      hi

      Here on topwar all sorts of hypotheses are put forward.
    35. +1
      27 September 2022 12: 35
      I hope soon the American gas carrier will explode soon, quite by accident
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 12: 53
        Rather, he accidentally runs into an underwater rock and drowns. Navigation error. bully
      2. 0
        27 September 2022 12: 53
        Yes, and there are a great many different Internet cables of our opponents on the seabed
      3. 0
        27 September 2022 18: 45
        Quote: Dizel200
        I hope soon the American gas carrier will explode soon, quite by accident


        The collision of cargo ships with uranium and titanium and other gingerbread, heading to America, with icebergs, I don’t know about others, but for me personally, would be very welcome. For nefig vorogov to supply.
    36. +4
      27 September 2022 12: 37
      Quote from witcher
      And now, as they say, all gas will be pumped through Ukraine and they will be paid money for transit, the country with which we are now at war.

      In the current situation, it is possible not to pump gas through the territory of Ukraine. No international institutions of law are working anymore. Assignment of fines will be paper. Ugh and grind. To Hungary, gas is pumped through Turkey.
    37. +1
      27 September 2022 12: 44
      So, not only our pipes go there ....... The EU can play a joke and be left without GAZ at all
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 13: 25
        Quote: Zaurbek
        So, not only our pipes go there ....... The EU can play a joke and be left without GAZ at all

        There are also NATO communication cables. Pure copper! wassat
        1. 0
          27 September 2022 13: 29
          So already one of the Westerners yelled that they had stolen a kilometer of cable. And it seems like they hung on us.
        2. 0
          27 September 2022 13: 34
          If the jokes are logically continued, then the EU will be left without gas at all.
    38. +1
      27 September 2022 12: 51
      Following Denmark, Sweden announced a gas leak from the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline in its special economic zone

      Finally ... No one could expect such impudence from the Americans, huh?
      at 300 percent, there is no crime that he would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows.

      And here already 500% runs up ... Yes, more ...
      The Ukrainian GTS needs to be cut down (blocked, bombed, blown up) ... Let them wait for transit ...
      Whoever needs it will quickly fix the pipe. The main thing is to find out the specific reasons ... The response of "Losharik" or anyone else should not be long in coming.
    39. +2
      27 September 2022 12: 52
      Anglo-Saxons and Poles are behind this sabotage
    40. 0
      27 September 2022 13: 04
      And it is curious what the Poles will say now? "Yes, it's us"? Or "No, it's not us"? Or will they not say anything at all, will they grin mysteriously, rubbing their hands?
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 14: 11
        have they already built their gas pipeline?
    41. +2
      27 September 2022 13: 07
      If this is indeed sabotage, then it is quite clear who benefits from it. So that the Germans, inadvertently, do not reverse, in the event of a critical situation in the coming winter, it would be better to play it safe and exclude the very technical possibility of gas supplies from Russia.
    42. +3
      27 September 2022 13: 08
      America is doing everything to ensure that Scholz and his team do not turn on the back. God forbid, under the pressure of frozen burghers, they will kill them on khokhostan and, for the sake of gas, they will begin to negotiate with Russia on gas supplies through any pipes, even SP 1, even SP 2. And now the Germans and all of Europe have been cut off this path. Neither the Swedes nor the Danes will definitely give the go-ahead for repair work in their economic zone. Someone really wants Europe to be not just frozen, but very frozen.
    43. -1
      27 September 2022 13: 11
      The Norwegians stupidly spoiled our property in order to supply gas alone. How long will Russia tolerate this? Maybe it's time to destroy the pipes from Norway to Poland, Great Britain and Germany in response? Well, what, sabotage in neutral waters, we were not the first to start.
    44. +2
      27 September 2022 13: 11
      Well, that’s all, the last goal is the gas pipeline in Ukraine, And the Europeans will live and produce their already non-competitive goods on LNG, whose ears stick out here as an expert, you don’t need to be. Well, yes, I wanted EU independence from Russian gas and got it. Let's see what happens in the winter.
    45. +1
      27 September 2022 13: 12
      In response, gas carriers from America may be captured by pirates of the Caribbean drinks
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 18: 52
        Quote: Politician
        In response, gas carriers from America may be captured by pirates of the Caribbean drinks


        A meeting of gas carriers with a torpedo fired by an I-400 in one thousand nine hundred shaggy year is also very possible ... bully
    46. VLR
      +2
      27 September 2022 13: 13
      The destruction has already been described as unprecedented. Of course, in the near future, oil and gas pipelines leading to Europe will become unnecessary scrap metal (the political decision to abandon Russian oil and gas has already been made, and politicians do not care about ordinary citizens, they personally will not freeze). But at the moment, right now, the destruction of SP-1 is clearly in the interests of Ukraine, which is becoming a virtual monopoly in transit and takes the Europeans by the throat: if there is no arms supply, there will be no gas supplies in winter.
    47. 0
      27 September 2022 13: 14
      Russia will be bent over and forced to pay Ukraine for transit .. That's all .. Well, to kill our own people at our expense .. This is the plan. The case is heading towards the World War. What kind of archdukes are there? What cruisers? There is so much money in the pipe .. And winter is coming ..
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 13: 39
        How?
        1. +2
          27 September 2022 15: 50
          So that contracts for the supply of gas to Europe have been concluded? Well, at least with someone? And now you can only deliver through Ukraine .. What's incomprehensible here? And about the fact that ours will blow something up there .. yeah .. Dream on .. Nobody will dare to do this in Moscow ..
    48. +1
      27 September 2022 13: 21
      With gas supplies to the fascist geyrope, everything is somehow decided by itself ... I hope that at least Gazprom will receive some kind of compensation (if JV 1,2 is insured), but most likely everything will be written off to us (Russia) ... IMHO
    49. Two
      -1
      27 September 2022 13: 31
      hi Poles picked up the topic! Isn't it like they...???
    50. 0
      27 September 2022 13: 43
      Now they will blame us. They say they blew it up so that the price went up
    51. 0
      27 September 2022 14: 00
      it is extremely difficult to carry out sabotage on an underwater gas pipeline, technical capabilities are needed

      Several divers can perform similar work. It’s not clear exactly how deep it is, but according to the navigation directions it’s 35-70 m. It’s quite doable. Ukraine has good submariners. The Poles or Tribalts could help. And if with BPA, then the British have excellent technology. But I think the Ukrainians have done some work here. Moreover, their “top officials” have repeatedly warned about “Streams”.
    52. 0
      27 September 2022 14: 07
      Quote: Magog_
      blow all the fanfare
      What about the meaning? They will say, in any case, these are Russians on purpose: the turbines were spoiled ahead of time, and now the pipes! In addition, the pipeline itself is unlikely to belong to Gazprom ... According to the principle: who shouts the loudest "stop the thief!" And this will be the main argument of the accusers.

      It's high time to understand that it doesn't work that way for them.... This applies to the OVERWHELMING majority of their population....
    53. +1
      27 September 2022 14: 10
      Definitely a sabotage.
      Who is the customer? - USA.
      Who is the performer? - Small-shaven? Scoundrels? Dill? Some of them.
      Who is found guilty? - Russia?
    54. Two
      0
      27 September 2022 15: 29
      hi “Unfortunately, our eastern neighbor is pursuing an aggressive policy,” said Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Marcin Przydacz. “If he is capable of doing this in Ukraine, then it is obvious that provocations cannot be ruled out even in those areas that are located in Western Europe.”
      Read more: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/09/27/na-severnyy-potok-mogla-byt-sovershena-celenapravlennaya-diversiya-spiegel
      Ears appeared...
    55. +2
      27 September 2022 15: 48
      Oh, how they ran... but, it seems to me, we don’t need to worry about them. They wanted it that way and did everything for it.

      Yes, the dog is with them! (With)
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    57. 0
      27 September 2022 16: 12
      Someone is afraid of losing transit in winter....
    58. 0
      27 September 2022 17: 23
      There is only one beneficiary, pin..sy. They need Europe to finally break away from Russia and for the European economy to flow to them. And Russia was drained of blood by the war
      Elementary Watson, a typical time-tested move of the Anglo-Saxons, unfortunately, thanks to self-interest, dishonesty, and greed, this move is effective.
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    60. 0
      27 September 2022 18: 42
      It’s interesting that the Germans haven’t started crying yet; they will have an economic crisis in the country without this gas.
      Germany will have to increase utility tariffs two to three times, let's see how this will affect industry and the cost of food.

      Russia will have to supply more gas to the domestic market and increase supplies to Asia. But there will be problems too.
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        27 September 2022 19: 10
        Thus, a program for gasification of the Russian Federation has already been announced.
        Supplies to Asia are already underway, while the Westerners are fussing with the price ceiling, GDP has already announced that 50% of gas will not be supplied to the EU.
        I live in a village spring-summer-autumn, I don’t need a gas pipeline.
        I have 2 gas cylinders, I used up one, a car comes and I exchange the empty one for a full one for money. No problem at all, 2 cylinders are enough for a season, why should I change what suits me.
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      27 September 2022 18: 57
      Petrov and Bashirov need to go and look at GTS 404.
      For starters, 3 pumping stations.
    62. 0
      27 September 2022 19: 24
      "An expeditionary force of US Navy ships led by the universal landing ship USS Kearsarge today completed its tasks in the Baltic Sea and was spotted following the Baltic Straits into the North Sea. It is now 30 kilometers from the site of the alleged sabotage on the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline and in 50 kilometers from the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline."(c) Mattresses in your repertoire. They made a mess and left. So they set up “friend” Liverwurst, or rather Germany, which is dear.
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      27 September 2022 19: 56
      I would also like to remind everyone that the gas problem is often covered in the media.
      But this is only a small puzzle of the great economic war between the United States and Russia and China.

      Now it is being decided how these three countries will live in the current century. The USA is investing very large sums in the construction of new production facilities, China is also investing in advanced technologies. Russia is trying to survive; advanced production facilities are not being built, although Russia has very great potential. But in Russia they are building shopping centers, that is, the country’s elite has chosen the path of easy money, buy low, sell high, they used to punish for speculation, but now it’s an honorable occupation, that’s how things are.
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      27 September 2022 20: 58
      As the ancient inhabitants of Latium said - look for who benefits. It is profitable for the United States - Europe will buy their LNG. It is beneficial for Poland - it may have to pump gas through its territory, the same for Ukraine. China benefits. Since it is dangerous for Western Europe to pump gas, they will get more.

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