Illegals go on a visit, or What prevents to solve the problem of uncontrolled labor migration in Russia?

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Labor migrants, uncontrolled migration - these concepts have recently caused a certain negative in various social strata. Is there a developed country in the world today that has rationally approached the issue of controlling migration inflows and today, in terms of migration policy, this country reigns full order? Most likely, if such countries exist, they are few. And they are not to be found among the smugglers of constantly arriving illegal immigrants of European states. Calling the United States a country that has solved its migration problems also doesn’t turn a language. However, this time we will leave aside all the talk about other countries of the world and turn our attention to the country in which we live - to the Russian Federation.

Illegals go on a visit, or What prevents to solve the problem of uncontrolled labor migration in Russia?


Just yesterday, it seemed that natural internationalism and the notion of friendship of peoples soaked with mother’s milk are the main pillars of Russian society. But time goes on, not only the approach to concepts changes, but also these concepts themselves are transformed in a fair way. What used to be hospitality and the desire to find contact with other nations is today considered to be a kind of rotten tolerance that can destroy entire civilizations. The need for the influx of cheap labor from neighboring countries dictates new laws for the development of Russian society, which sometimes too actively turns its attention to Western trends.

Today, even at the state level, it is sometimes possible to hear declarations that labor migration can in a certain way help modern Russia to overcome the crisis. Allegedly, it is precisely the cheapness of labor that arrives in Russian territory that is designed to breathe fresh air into the process of developing the production system. Indirectly, the point is that, they say, why invest substantial funds in the training of workers, middle-level specialists, if these personnel themselves can come, come and fly to Russia from Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova or other republics of the former Union.

One of the supporters of the idea that without an impressive migration inflow to the Russian Federation, our economy will not cope with the challenges of the new time, is Peter Schedrovitsky - one of the leaders of such an organization as the North-West Center for Strategic Research. Schedrovitsky is sure that if we want to leave behind our country the status of a country with an actively developing economy that can be transformed into a developed financial system in the near future, then it is impossible to put a barrier for guest workers today. This supposedly will cancel out Moscow’s ambitions to remain a “world city”, and Russia will be thrown back in terms of movement along the path of economic progress. At the same time, Pyotr Shchedrovitsky notes that all the negativity that has recently manifested itself in terms of finding labor migrants in the country is by and large not justified. In his opinion, migrants behave as the indigenous majority allows them to do.

Such a thought looks quite interesting. It turns out that the degree of tension of the situation depends on the indigenous people of a particular Russian region. It seems that the very indigenous population should certainly keep in mind the economic manna from the influx of labor migrants into Russia, and therefore behave on their own territory as if a certain sacred cow had arrived to visit them, to whom many sins can be forgiven. They say that it is Muscovites themselves, St. Petersburgites, Voronezh residents and Rostovites who have brought the situation to the point that migrant workers arriving with entire structures arrange from construction sites or markets in which they work, semi-criminal quarters, and where it is not customary to speak about the observance of Russian laws.

And after all, on the one hand, Mr. Shchedrovitsky and other people who support this kind of migration theory are right. Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Muscovites are unlikely to pay attention to the fact that several young people, obviously not of indigenous origin, will brazenly let go of their hands towards a girl who is alone in the subway. The overwhelming majority of Russians will not even report to the police station when they see how the same “God sent” labor migrants turn the construction site into a site for drug trafficking or a haven for criminal subjects of various stripes. And they will not intervene and report at all, not because they do not see anything reprehensible in this, but because they know how the sting of our Russian domestic justice can turn in our side in the most bizarre way. A person who decides to stand up for the truth may suddenly become a liar, an instigator, a slanderer, or a snitch, and, ultimately, end up behind bars.

It turns out that we are making ourselves cowards out of ourselves, only hiding behind the words about friendship of peoples, tolerance and a multicultural society, the Russian mentality. Somewhere deep down we are indignant, but beyond the depths of the soul our negative does not spread.

And after all, the most important thing is that for an adequate coexistence of the indigenous and non-indigenous population of certain regions, Russia does not need to run out of the entrances with sharply sharpened axes and the cries of “Peter for St. Petersburg people!”, “Voronezh for Voronezh residents!” decide. But it will help to solve its balanced work of the law enforcement system and the judiciary, the control of which is one of the fundamental social tasks. No matter how trite these words sound, it is in the hands of these departments that the threads of contacts of the local population of the Russian regions and people who come to these regions in search of a better life for themselves and their families are found.

One cannot say that any migrant worker is by all means illegal, an extremist or a representative of crime. And if not, then we need a control system, a filtration system, a system for evaluating the contribution of labor for the benefit of the development of the country to which these people arrive. If such a system is not built today, Russia will fully feel the problems from which France barely has time to fight back, for example.

So far, unfortunately, the law-enforcement system of Russia, like, by the way, the vaunted law-enforcement system of Europe, signs in its helplessness with reference to migration problems. In this case, two reasons float to the surface. The first reason is the lack of the necessary legislative base that would allow regulating how much Russia really needs guest workers for “complete happiness”, and the second reason is as old as the world, and the reason is corruption. One may say that any regional branch of the FMS with completely legal methods can bring order to a particular locality regarding the issues of migrant workers, but the FMS, like many other Russian departments, is not spared from employees ready to warm up on contacts labor migrants and their employers.

According to unofficial estimates by economists, the 1 illegal labor migrant for the Russian budget costs 3-4 twice the price of a legally employed Russian. And according to sociologists, the likelihood for a labor illegal to be involved in the criminal business in Russia is close to 100%. So it turns out that Russia's interest in migrant workers is broken about the lack of control over migration flows, which flourishes on the fertilized soil of corruption and the imperfections of the legislative system. And while corruption and “teenage” legislation will remain unresolved problems, neither the introduction of Russian language examinations for people arriving in Russia, their per capita accounting, or anything else will help to achieve the goals ... Therefore, to solve the issue of uncontrollable labor migration, you will first have to pretty plow the domestic Russian bureaucratic field.
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  1. Slayer
    +4
    23 October 2012 07: 41
    This is the pay of the generation that collapsed the USSR, then everything was under control, right now with many republics a visa-free regime, and who these migrant workers were brought here to settle in to guess))
    1. YARY
      +13
      23 October 2012 09: 39
      And who signed the visa-free agreement?
      Who told the Armenians they say "Come to Sochi" there is a lot of work for you "and do not care that there are local citizens without work?
      Who gave the markets to foreign citizens of criminal appearance?
      Taxi summed up "Paakazhy how to get there?"
      Yes, not much else?
      The address of these questions is one!
      1. Kaa
        +5
        23 October 2012 10: 26
        Quote: Ardent
        And who signed the visa-free agreement?

        The answer is obvious - those who are interested in cheap and disenfranchised labor. Another "wild grimace" of capitalism, even if this "capitalist" hires a couple of guest workers to renovate his apartment ... on the cheap. So many are not without sin, you need to think about this before gathering at a demonstration against visitors.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +2
          23 October 2012 11: 05
          Until they shut down the "black business" of "legalizing" migrants in the FMS and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Until the responsibility of individuals for the use of illegal immigrants in their workplaces is toughened not by symbolic fines, but by real criminal liability and confiscation of business for illegal activities. Until the authorities stop loyally (complicitously) treating illegal immigrants, this problem will not be possible to solve.
          And, it is advisable to re-introduce sanitary standards when registering, even temporarily, and not symbolically register 30 tenants, and in some places 30 people each. per square meter.
          1. Brother Sarych
            +1
            23 October 2012 11: 45
            Yeah, bees versus honey? It's funny ...
          2. dom.lazar
            -1
            23 October 2012 16: 14
            the problem of cheap foreign labor is mainly where the local population is simply snickering and it is easier for them to receive benefits and do nothing like in Europe or plump like in Russia
            but in construction workers or local sellers go just zapadlo
            in Russia, this is exacerbated by severe corruption, and the legislation is spelled out so that this corruption is created in advance
            obviously, lawmakers were in share and still get a rollback
            1. +1
              23 October 2012 20: 34
              Quote: dom.lazar
              but in construction workers or local sellers go just zapadlo

              I would not say so, go to the builders, but recently, prices have been let down for the gastro.
      2. donchepano
        0
        23 October 2012 15: 32
        They are on a ... and consider Sochi and the entire coast and the Kuban as their ancestral territory called "The Great Army".
        Some directly hint "our land, bring us to your rush"
        Everything from politics from the center
        1. Argentum
          -1
          23 October 2012 16: 02
          If someone says so from the Armenians, then either he has a bad brain, or he is not an Armenian.
          1. donchepano
            -2
            23 October 2012 17: 20
            And who, Yezidi?
            1. Argentum
              -1
              23 October 2012 18: 46
              Who knows. Normal Armenians will not bear such nonsense.
    2. +10
      23 October 2012 09: 40
      Slayer

      Quote: Slayer
      who of these guest workers here delivery is settled to only guess))

      Who dragged us to the WTO for all 10-15 years? And who is the most important "tolerant" and "fan" for "ALIEN"? ... Who supports all these stupid slogans about the "need" of guest workers? ...
      I'm tired of guessing - Putin and Co. ...

      Article + ... but what's the point? ...
      And we are silent, because - EVERYONE has become - HIMSELF. And this is a new IDEOLOGY.
      Look at what is happening: Volunteer fire brigades are created, VOLUNTARY helpers of patrolmen and traffic cops, people themselves drop off on the construction of bridges and roads, they survived, yesterday an article on voluntary assistance (created a fund to support the development and promotion of the aircraft) to the domestic aviation industry, etc. etc.
      A STATE hde ???!
      So in the article too - "But the balanced work of the law enforcement system and the judiciary will help to solve it, control work which - one of the fundamental public tasks."
      Firstly - nonsense about "control", even mockery, and secondly - HOW MANY state functions can already be pushed onto municipalities, and ultimately - on ordinary people, decide for yourself.

      Quote: Mavsik
      The problem is not in these emigrants, but in the next generation, who, thanks to our laws, will become citizens of the Russian Federation.
      Not in the eyebrow, but in the EYE!
      1. 0
        23 October 2012 17: 43
        the European is an individualist, he is for himself - this is the evolution of man, the easier it is to live, the man becomes isolated, the different he is from monkeys, which survive in groups, herds, flocks, prides. When the threat to the Slavs becomes critical level - do not worry in case of danger of destruction, unification is inevitable, this was shown by the Manege, Kondopoga, Sagra, Verkhny Ufaley. Moscow and St. Petersburg are still digesting big cities
      2. +6
        23 October 2012 20: 07
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Who dragged us to the WTO for all 10-15 years? And who is the most important "tolerant" and "fan" for "ALIEN"? ... Who supports all these stupid slogans about the "need" of guest workers? ...
        I'm tired of guessing - Putin and Co. ...

        Who voted for Putin and Co.? Who has not seen an alternative to the Great? Who is for the momentary oil and gas pseudo-stability, and tomorrow how will the curve take it out?
        We! At least most of us, bought into patriotic rhetoric, and not able to judge by business.
        1. donchepano
          0
          27 October 2012 20: 18
          The fact was constant. now your suggestions?
    3. 0
      23 October 2012 11: 15
      Slayer,
      Well, the very same USSR collapsed ...
    4. +1
      23 October 2012 14: 11
      This problem, like most others, has one problem - CORRUPTION !!! It is on it that the vast majority of negative Russian realities are built. And here the saying about rotting fish is very appropriate ...
    5. dimanf
      0
      24 October 2012 17: 54
      while the government feeds from illegal immigrants, the flow of chur bans into our country will not run out!
  2. BSSR
    0
    23 October 2012 08: 01
    in Russia, it seems that the law is already on the approach to restricting labor migration, they will only give blanks to specialists
    Turners work in my production, I could send a couple of specialists to you
    1. 0
      24 October 2012 11: 39
      Please keep these specialists with you.
  3. markevo
    0
    23 October 2012 08: 03
    I do not think ............
  4. Mavsik
    +17
    23 October 2012 08: 32
    The problem is not in these emigrants, but in the next generation, who, thanks to our laws, will become citizens of the Russian Federation.
    1. donchepano
      0
      23 October 2012 17: 05
      MAVSIKU: SO THE GOVERNMENT IMPROVES DEMOGRAPHY AND INCREASES THE BIRTHDAY .. SOON WE WILL BE BLINDERED)))
  5. +2
    23 October 2012 08: 50
    "And they won't stand up and will not report at all, not because they do not see anything reprehensible in this, but because ..." these are "indigenous" Muscovites, and they resolve such issues within the diaspora or with another diaspora.
  6. +6
    23 October 2012 09: 14
    Why do Russian migrants, you have so many local unemployed ..
    1. Brother Sarych
      +5
      23 October 2012 11: 46
      We need slaves, not workers ...
      1. Lakkuchu
        -3
        23 October 2012 12: 32
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        We need slaves, not workers ...

        Tooting. In addition, many locals do not want to dirty their white little hands, it is better to sit on a bench with a bottle in hand, hoarding anger at the “blacks” and the power, than to raise their own well ... ny and do something.
        1. +2
          24 October 2012 17: 56
          We ourselves will figure out how to live on our own land. And what to do. Go to your camps. And at least do something sensible there, and do not meddle with us with your advice. As well as hexogen and hijabs.
  7. logic
    +9
    23 October 2012 09: 23
    "Allegedly, it is the cheapness of the labor force arriving on Russian territory that is called upon to breathe fresh air into the development of the production system. Indirectly, we are talking about why, they say, why invest substantial funds in the training of workers, middle-level specialists, if these personnel can come-come-fly to Russia from Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova or other republics of the former Soviet Union. "
    I understand that it is necessary to attract ready-made specialists, and not an illiterate "ram herd" with a knife in his bosom and the worldview of the Middle Ages. IMHO I do not want to bring them education on my territory due to the oppression of Russian citizens
  8. -9
    23 October 2012 09: 25
    Quote: Mavsik
    The problem is not in these emigrants, but in the next generation, who, thanks to our laws, will become citizens of the Russian Federation.

    so what if they become Russian citizens? I think no need to turn away from them, these are exactly the same people as you and I - the problem is in the first generation. because if a guest worker is a normal person who wants to work honestly and feed his family, then his children will grow up as normal and adequate people. the second (unpleasant) option is when the visiting "gypsies" (regardless of their origin, I unite them into one group) just do what they beg near the markets, forcing the children to beg too - which of them will grow up?
    the problem of the second generation of migrants is a problem of our social and educational system; and if this system will fulfill its role as it should, then the fourth, and maybe the third generation will consider themselves Russian !!!!
    1. NICK
      +13
      23 October 2012 10: 21
      Quote: dirty trick
      so what if they become Russian citizens? I think no need to turn away from them, these are exactly the same people as you and I

      I also just adore them, only when they are sitting at home, and not a rod to Russia with the whole herd. Something of the great Tajik physicists or chemists I do not see. All the garbage that even cannot speak Russian speak to us. We are not even talking about assimilation, they have their own circle, their own laws, their own rules by which they live, spit on our foundations. And we are still formally called for tolerance - to endure their arrogance, their worldview. Free cheese happens only in a mousetrap, America is an example of this, they brought cheap labor from Africa (well, the locals don’t want to work on the plantation) and what has it led to now? Will it not happen when the descendants of these migrants, who became citizens of Russia, begin to make claims against the Russians, how their ancestors felt bad and we must obey them that they did not immediately give our country to them, but they themselves disappeared somewhere? I personally do not want our Chinatowns or Cheburektowns in Russian cities. If the policy on migrants does not change, then it is likely to be so.
      CARE!
      No need to post stupid demotivators. Do you know how many military units were on the national principle during WWII? NO ONE! Because after the first battle (when the dzhigits shit in their pants more than their horses), after several shots from German tanks they abandoned their positions and shamefully fled all the national formations began to dilute the Russians, who kicked them into the trenches. Among them were of course real heroes, but this is an exception to the rule, which this rule confirms.
      1. -7
        23 October 2012 10: 57
        Quote: NICK
        All the garbage that even cannot speak Russian speak to us. We are not even talking about assimilation, they have their own circle, their own laws, their own rules by which they live, spit on our foundations. And we are still formally called for tolerance

        dear, you are writing correctly - few of the visitors know our language and our customs and tolerance in their relation cannot be shown in any way. BUT: it is necessary to distinguish between those who spend 14-16 hours a day ... at a construction site and those who go to crime.
        Quote: NICK
        I personally do not want our Chinatowns or Cheburektowns in Russian cities.

        agree with you! I am against them too! and so that there are no such "cheburektowns" - you cannot alienate those who want to learn more about Russia!
        There is a good saying: if you want to defeat the enemy, educate his children.
        1. NICK
          +9
          23 October 2012 12: 25
          Quote: dirty trick
          it is necessary to distinguish between those who spend 14-16 hours a day ... at a construction site and those who go to crime.

          Both have the same mentality. Some immediately go to crime, while others a little later - they paid a little, I want to have fun after 14-16 hours a day I’ll eat ... they will rob someone (earn money), have fun (rape, kill). And both of them do not care about our norms and principles - they have their own, and live by them.
          Quote: dirty trick
          if you want to defeat the enemy - educate his children.

          Better I will raise my children.
          Take YOURSELF to bring up a small, clean, Tajik family of 27 people, and then preach your peace theories!
          The state should help educate its citizens, not strangers!
          1. donchepano
            +1
            23 October 2012 16: 45
            NIKA + 100500 ... ALREADY SMIED: "A SMALL CLEAN-DOG FAMILY OF 27 PEOPLE ..." BUT IN GENERAL, EVERYTHING IS CORRECT, IT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE YOURSELF.
            POLROSSIA IN UNEMPLOYMENT A LARGE PART FOR THE DARK, MANY POPULATED ITEMS IN GENERAL WITHOUT GAS, HEATED BY WOOD STONE AGE.
            A LACK OF TURKMENISTAN IS USED BY GAS (NATURAL RICHES - i.e., GIFT) - FOR FREE
            FOR OTHERWISE IN CHECHNYE IT SEEMS ALSO PARADISE HAS COME ...
          2. -3
            24 October 2012 13: 18
            Quote: NICK
            Better I will raise my children.
            Take YOURSELF to bring up a small, clean, Tajik family of 27 people, and then preach your peace theories!

            for this, it is not necessary to bring someone up for training. for reference - at the moment, this strategy (educate his children) is carried out in relation to Russia by the West and the United States, as proof I will lay out one of the demotivators so unloved by you:
      2. FreZZZeR
        +3
        23 October 2012 11: 09
        Nevertheless, Dzhigits should be distinguished from the Yakuts, Buryats, Kalmyks, Evenks, Tatars, and many other peoples.
        And the Caucasian peoples are very different.
        Just compare the Chechens, Dargins, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ossetians and Georgians. Religion, mentality, lifestyle.
        1. +2
          23 October 2012 11: 29
          Quote: FreZZZeR
          Nevertheless, Dzhigits should be distinguished from Yakuts, Buryats, Kalmyks, Evenks, Tatars, and many other peoples

          you understand what you said laughing , a horse is just a young man ...
          1. FreZZZeR
            0
            19 November 2012 13: 54
            by "horseman" I meant young people from the Caucasus, in my opinion, everything is very clear
        2. Brother Sarych
          -2
          23 October 2012 11: 48
          In fact, all people are different, regardless of nationality ...
      3. -2
        23 October 2012 11: 12
        Quote: NICK
        NO ONE! Because after the first battle (when the Dzhigits shit in their pants more than their horses), after several shots from German tanks they abandoned their positions and shamefully fled all the national formations began to dilute with the Russians, who kicked them into the trenches with kicks

        something is not logical: you say there was not a single one, and then you say all the national formations ......
        1. NICK
          +1
          23 October 2012 12: 09
          Forget,
          First on YOU!
          Secondly: there was an attempt to create national formations, which ended in complete failure. Learn the story!
      4. +1
        23 October 2012 20: 44
        Quote: NICK
        All the garbage that even cannot speak Russian speak to us.

        Agree with you. If at the beginning of 2000 more or less specialists came from different levels and mainly from cities, then within two - three years they dragged here all who are not lazy from such dense places that you wonder.
    2. +8
      23 October 2012 10: 58
      Since when did the Yakut become a migrant?
      1. donchepano
        0
        27 October 2012 20: 25
        DON'T PAIN FEAR. THIS IS JUST A MAGICIAN OF THE EMERALD CITY JOKED WITH A IRON LOGGER
    3. +10
      23 October 2012 11: 13
      If you follow the beliefs of Mr. under the pseudonym Filth, the year is 2080, when the phrase "a man of Russian appearance" will mean a high-cheekbone, with narrow black eyes, black-haired man, most likely a Muslim. Of course, there is no dispute about tastes, but in my opinion it is disgusting.
      I consider the settlement of Russia by foreign migrants a crime against the indigenous population of the country and, above all, against the Russian people. In fact, we are now in our country in the position of the American Indians, who at one time looked helplessly at the way their lands were inhabited by numerous greedy and aggressive migrants, crowds sailing from across the ocean. And where are these Indians now indigenous? Do we really want to share their fate? The culture and ideology of the United States - the culture and ideology of migrants. Hence the tolerance, multiculturalism and multiconfessionality that they instill throughout the world.
      1. -1
        23 October 2012 11: 28
        Quote: alebor
        I consider the settlement of Russia by foreign migrants a crime against the indigenous population

        I’ll tell you a terrible thought, all nations interfere and Russia is no exception, but even more terrible news, state borders are not forever .. recourse
        1. donchepano
          0
          23 October 2012 16: 24
          this is globalism ...
        2. donchepano
          0
          23 October 2012 17: 34
          is it after nasvayu terrible news that came to mind?
        3. 0
          24 October 2012 01: 00
          nonsense! the feeling of ownership is genetically embedded in a person — if there are no borders, he will outline it around himself, then around his sons, then around his pride, etc., but if there are no Russians, then the territory of Russia will turn into a bunch of fetid villages and mountains of ruins, these hordes will go farther west to search for more dirtiness until they stop at the English Channel as locusts
    4. +8
      23 October 2012 11: 42
      And the problem is that I am afraid to let my thirteen-year-old daughter go out on the street where these “future citizens” are walking in herds! And I don’t know every second or every third of them is a pedophile !!! And those who let them in here, their children are taken with guards to elite schools !!!
      1. donchepano
        +2
        27 October 2012 20: 29
        THE RUSSIAN ELITE DOES NOT KNOW THE PROBLEMS OF THE SIMPLE PEOPLE.
        YES AND DO NOT give a damn what will happen to the indigenous people, and who will serve the oil and gas pipes - indigenous or china ..
        RECENT FOR THEIR ECONOMICALLY FAVORABLE, ALMOST NOT ASKED TO EAT. LIVE LIVING FODDER.
        1. bask
          0
          27 October 2012 20: 43
          They do not care about the local Russian population .. Illegal gatstarbaytera, it’s practically ,, free ,, slave ,,, power. Paying a penny profit of millions !!! And what will they do after construction. ,, people, who hired them , deeply about ..... y. They all live with their families over the hill ...... And they don’t connect their future and their children with Russia .... So much for ,,,, ELITE ,, of Russia. Wolves - predators tearing our Homeland apart .... jackals fucking ......
    5. nic
      nic
      +2
      23 October 2012 14: 14
      "State Defense Committee
      Decision No. GOKO-4322ss of October 13, 1943
      Moscow Kremlin.
      ... The conscripts of local nationalities are not subject to conscription: Uzbek, Tajik, Turkmen, Kazakh, Kirghiz, Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republics, Dagestan, Chechen-Ingush, Kabardino-Balkar, North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republics and Adygei and the Circassian Autonomous Regions .... ""
      Yes, yes tell us about the friendship of peoples.
      1. -8
        23 October 2012 14: 56
        Quote: nic
        Yes, yes tell us about the friendship of peoples.

        Well, well, it’s your ancestors who captured the gigantic territories along with the nationalities who lived there, and you instilled friendship .....
  9. +10
    23 October 2012 09: 26
    The managers (owners) of construction, road-building and other companies do not want to pay a decent salary to their citizens, guest workers receive half of what they should and are satisfied. There is no problem with the "social system", labor protection, many types of taxes. This is why "labor" migration is flourishing. Sometimes you are already lost - and in which city you are walking, there are only Asians around. So we need to start with such leaders who create jobs not for the citizens of Russia, but for their own enrichment. Let us attach our unemployed, and only then we will help the "bros".
    1. Igor
      -6
      23 October 2012 11: 07
      Quote: IRBIS
      The leaders (owners) of construction, road construction and other companies do not want to pay a decent salary to their citizens, guest workers receive half of what is due and are satisfied.


      Oh, you just don’t have to blame everything on the construction business, but you know that you need to pay a kickback to officials in the amount of 40 to 20% of the cost of the object, so that they issue all the building permits, expel the cops or some other service for the roof, so that competitors they didn’t cover your business, then all this money needs to be returned to the business, and from here such prices for housing, and now imagine that the business will hire the local population and pay them from 50 to 60 thousand rubles. And now I had a question, how much will housing cost after these kickbacks, roofs and expensive labor? And who will buy it?

      Quote: IRBIS
      There is no problem with the "social"


      And what kind of social program should the handymen who work at the construction site have free travel in public transport?

      Quote: IRBIS
      labor protection


      Most construction superintendents punish these workers with a ruble for violating TB (though they put those rubles in their pocket), and if someone dies, they will have to dump cops.

      Quote: IRBIS
      many types of taxes.


      All legal migrants who are allowed to work in the Russian Federation pay taxes (in the construction company in which I work this way), but there are no illegal immigrants.
      1. Brother Sarych
        -1
        23 October 2012 11: 51
        At first, we ourselves do not want to live by the law, but are migrants to blame?
        But you don’t give a bribe to an official, don’t give a bribe to cops and migrant danger, do it according to the law - then you can demand something from others!
        1. Igor
          -5
          23 October 2012 12: 03
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          At first, we ourselves do not want to live by the law, but are migrants to blame?


          And where did I write that migrants are to blame?

          Quote: Brother Sarich
          But you don’t give a bribe to an official, don’t give a bribe to cops and migrant danger, do it according to the law - then you can demand something from others!


          Under the law, it is impossible to do business in Russia, or have you flown to us from another planet?
          1. Brother Sarych
            -1
            23 October 2012 12: 37
            Maybe the latter is the root of the problem?
            1. Igor
              -2
              23 October 2012 12: 57
              So I’m talking about this.
      2. +2
        23 October 2012 21: 00
        Quote: Igorek
        All legal migrants who are allowed to work in the Russian Federation pay taxes (in the construction company in which I work this way), but there are no illegal immigrants.

        Taxes are paid with net, but how much net salary? There are seven thousand from the strength, and taxes are on them. You may pay a whole white salary, but you are local, and there are few of them, because there were three of you like Ocean’s ten friends.
        1. Brother Sarych
          -2
          23 October 2012 22: 39
          If legally registered, then income is 35 percent, if anyone does not know ...
          1. Brother Sarych
            -1
            24 October 2012 13: 14
            I’m watching here that there really are some kind of mu ... eccentrics on all branches hang around and minus all messages in a row, it seems that without reading it! Nothing more to do, or what?
            1. Rezun
              0
              19 November 2012 14: 34
              Buzzard, don’t cry, I'm tweaking ...
    2. donchepano
      0
      23 October 2012 15: 46
      Incidentally, the topic: road oligarch in the Saratov region Kirakosyan (whose son recently shot the native Russian guy Borodin) employs people from Asia. For some reason, she doesn’t want local, indigenous. Why it is not clear. Maybe because migrants are meek and maybe kickbacks play a role
  10. +13
    23 October 2012 09: 34
    the problem of labor migrants is that they grab onto any job (they know how - they don’t know the second question), they immediately lose their prices. If previously construction professions were prestigious (people went to earn money for distant construction projects - they left prestigious places to get an apartment or make money on a car for two years) now a bricklayer or concrete worker thanks to a visitor plowing, he gets a penny –– little specialists –– the result –– everything collapses and falls. Are foreigners selling to us in stores? (What other diseases are there in Russia? - they’ll bring us like that) Examples are a million and a large carriage. But I don’t see specialists in production — you don’t need new cars, planes or super computers. But here are the children in the evenings from home you don’t let out anymore and you follow the eyes (if the pupils are not dilated)
    1. FreZZZeR
      +3
      23 October 2012 11: 13
      Quote: zadorin1974
      .And here you can’t let the children out of the house in the evenings and follow the eyes (if the pupils are not dilated)


      Exactly! I constantly look into the subway when I see inappropriate behavior. Very often, these guys use nasvai, though I don’t know how it affects mental processes and coordination, but I regularly notice how young and not so people with a dark skin tone put a gray-green mixture in their mouths.
      1. Igor
        -4
        23 October 2012 11: 27
        Quote: FreZZZeR
        Very often, these guys use nasvai, though I don’t know how it affects mental processes and coordination, but I regularly notice how young and not so people with a dark skin tone put a gray-green mixture in their mouths.


        Yes, from the same effect, as from smoking in the head, it gives a little bit of everything.
        1. +1
          23 October 2012 21: 04
          Quote: Igorek
          Yes, from the same effect, as from smoking in the head, it gives a little bit of everything.

          Yeah, if you miss a glass, and some kind of crap.
      2. Brother Sarych
        -3
        23 October 2012 11: 53
        Absolute rubbish, that's all ...
        1. Brother Sarych
          -1
          23 October 2012 16: 38
          Do you like nasvay or something? Have you tried it7
          1. Igor
            -1
            23 October 2012 19: 20
            No, but I know a couple of lovers.
          2. +1
            23 October 2012 21: 08
            Quote: Brother Sarich
            Do you like nasvay or something? Have you tried it7

            Sarych, I served in the Navy, with the multinational Union, my friends were of different nationalities, I had a chance to try, and not only nasvay, but only try, for the sake of interest. bully
    2. Brother Sarych
      -5
      23 October 2012 11: 52
      Well, sit in the store yourself, build it yourself - who's stopping it? And watch the children carefully ...
      1. +9
        23 October 2012 12: 19
        Yes, and I follow and not only my own - I have them up to twenty a year engaged and senior with the army coming with us. And people are working in stores. We are calm and patient people in the Urals - BEFORE !!!!!! And we don’t have to impose that we should be tolerant - people are already boiling and if you don’t hold it back, Sarych, and you’re not a Muscovite by any chance?
        1. donchepano
          0
          23 October 2012 16: 30
          if not Asian
      2. +1
        24 October 2012 11: 59
        Those who benefit from bringing in migrant workers interfere.
  11. logic
    +9
    23 October 2012 09: 46
    the question is that immigrants want to gain a foothold in Russia and move their home here (their monastery with their own charter). They do not want to live by our rules. but the state does not want to. and all conflicts on ethnic grounds are hushed up, transferred to another plane. It’s as if a domestic brawl with an immigrant is normal
    1. Brother Sarych
      -8
      23 October 2012 11: 54
      Yes, they do not want to live with you, at home they want to live - but there is no life at home ...
      1. Brother Sarych
        -3
        23 October 2012 12: 35
        Do you think that they’re just going out of harm? Oh, if only ...
      2. +3
        23 October 2012 14: 23
        Brother Sarych (3) Today, 11: 54
        Yes, they do not want you to live at home, they want to live
        --------------------------------------
        Probably different they are - migrants. The Uzbek family that lives in our apartment under the stairs of the 6 years is already not going back. We decided that it is better
        1. Brother Sarych
          -4
          23 October 2012 14: 25
          Do you think that they would be delayed for a long time if it were easy to live at home?
          1. Brother Sarych
            -2
            23 October 2012 16: 36
            Yes, what kind of genitalia minuses instructed? Was it weak to write if there are objections?
  12. +1
    23 October 2012 09: 48
    Hello everyone! I had to manage labor migrants, one of them is almost my age, turned out to be just a good, hardworking, decent person, we practically became friends, now everyone is inviting to visit him in Uzbekistan, and the rest, the norms are young guys, some of them study in absentia, they speak Russian without an accent. In general, I would not call them Gaster, my language will not turn. Well, maybe I was just so lucky, although we have enough "guests from the south" in Ekb, it's just black ...
  13. logic
    +12
    23 October 2012 09: 56
    Quote: Volozhanin
    In general, I would not call them Gaster, the language will not turn.

    Nobody says they are all "radishes". They have one interesting feature, when alone, then your best friend, and when a critical mass is gained, then it turns out that you already owe him, by definition, and must live by their rules.
    1. Brother Sarych
      -5
      23 October 2012 11: 55
      Actually, this is not so at all ...
      1. +1
        23 October 2012 21: 13
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        Actually, this is not so at all ...

        But as? Share your thoughts on this. wink
  14. +10
    23 October 2012 10: 46
    I will digress a little from the main point, I want to give an example. There are acquaintances (Americans) and they live, respectively, in America. :))) Recently, in a conversation on Skype, they constantly complain and are stunned (pancake saw the light) that blacks have filled everything. Here are some interesting cases cited as an example: Negroes (sorry for the Negroes, not for the black population - Negroes, they are Negroes), are gradually squeezing out of the regions of the rich and prosperous - white-skinned Americans, these are all these rap and hip-hop performers (but in fact former drug dealers, pimps, and just a criminal element). They just stupidly buy up neighboring housing and gradually create an atmosphere that makes whites move out (but everything is within the law). They "suddenly" found out that a bunch of prestigious clubs belong to blacks, and face and dress control - the negro can give birth to almost what the mother gave birth to, but with the white-skinned problem.
    Any oblique or remark in the direction of a black person is the reason for reporting to the police. And most importantly, they do not work anywhere and do not want to work. They began to list me how many black performers they had, I lost count. It seems that all of Africa is in show business. Rudeness on the part of these "pop talents" grows every day and nothing can be done, as they immediately shout about discrimination. I told them about our problems in this regard, they responded - yes, at least you are working, building something, sweeping the streets. So the problem with migrants swept the whole world.
    1. +1
      23 October 2012 10: 56
      Let the performers of classical music be called and the number of their brothers who have completed at least a music school.
      1. +3
        23 October 2012 11: 01
        Yeah, these black "eggs" and even BB King will not be able to name it.
      2. Captain Vrungel
        +5
        23 October 2012 14: 07
        You can name our "performers" of the plywood genre under other people's phonograms, who know notes and graduated from the musical departments of culinary and animal breeding schools.
        The main problem is that this mass of "national minorities" are not eager to live according to the laws of the host country, but begin to live and build us according to their own concepts, covering up their actions with "genocide" against them. And it works.
        Arrived in the country voluntarily, respect its laws. Received citizenship, especially. A stateless person, then satisfied with the situation and legislation. The phrase “national minorities” should be removed from use. There are citizens of the state and temporary residents.
    2. FreZZZeR
      +1
      23 October 2012 11: 18
      This is a slightly different problem, they are all citizens of one country there, and not in the first generation.
    3. +6
      23 October 2012 11: 36
      so the blacks also started working on plantations
      1. 0
        24 October 2012 12: 04
        And now they are apparently resting.
    4. donchepano
      +2
      23 October 2012 17: 13
      The committee of the XNUMXth artificially created this problem.
  15. +7
    23 October 2012 10: 54
    Illegals, as well as drug addicts, are very beneficial to many. What is the qualification of migrants ... zero, an excavator and a crane can do this job. In fact, Russia is under open occupation, with the full support of the government. All the places from which migrants were expelled only benefited from this.
  16. patriot2
    +13
    23 October 2012 10: 58
    Alexey Volodin ++++!
    Migrants in Russia are also necessary labor resources, since our "indigenous": - do not want "dirty" work, - there are few of them (demographic decline). Well, those who give migrants a job have pluses: they can pay less (or even for a bowl of soup), and mortgages can sleep in the basement and at a construction site.
    True few people think about tomorrow, when migrants begin to become citizens and their number will exceed the number of the "indigenous" population, then ... and then local elections - power smoothly passes into the hands of those who peacefully took it away - migrants in the past ... elections to the Duma and the president - similarly, and now we are a Muslim country with a president - a Tajik, an Uzbek, a Kyrgyz ... etc. And the Russian people will work for them the way they want, at least 24 hours a day to survive.As one gaster told me: "we are here (in Russia) - at home, you are Russians on this land, visiting". And if they say so, then they think so. And the fact that the birth rate in Russia has increased is due to migrants; their children study for free in Russia; they are treated in the same polyclinics and hospitals, bringing with them the infection from their homeland.
    The benefits for Russia from them are a penny now, and the loss in the future is millions of rubles and the lives of the indigenous population.
    Now life in Russia is according to the principle: "give your wife to your uncle, and you yourself go to b..i".
    Not happy with the complete lack of real actions of state bodies. authorities to solve migration issues!
    THANKS TO THE CURRENT "TOLERANCE" RUSSIA CAN TERMINATE ITS EXISTENCE AS A COUNTRY - THE HOMELAND OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE ALREADY IN A VISIBLE FUTURE!
    1. +2
      23 October 2012 11: 30
      Quote: patriot2
      THANKS TO THE CURRENT "TOLERANCE" RUSSIA CAN TERMINATE ITS EXISTENCE AS A COUNTRY - THE HOMELAND OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE ALREADY IN A VISIBLE FUTURE!

      I agree. Plus.
      1. donchepano
        -2
        23 October 2012 17: 41
        Baltic 11-30
        To prevent this from happening, I propose a slogan to the indigenous population of Russia: use the products produced by the indigenous population, do not eat in their (other) canteens and cafes, play sports, give birth to at least 5 children or more ...
        and then there is a chance not to become Indians on the reservation
        1. 0
          23 October 2012 18: 04
          Quote: donchepano
          give birth to at least 5 children and more ..

          Here two to raise and then gas on the forehead climb, HOW? With such salaries (not average, but real), there are two ways: to give birth to poverty and "cadres" for crime, or to raise two people with an effort, or better one! Of course, I am a patriot of the Russian Federation, but if Chinese nails are better and cheaper, sorry, but I will buy Chinese ones. NOT TO FAT, I WOULD LIVE!
    2. SAVA555.IVANOV
      0
      23 October 2012 14: 48
      "The big mistake of the Russians is that they think that there are still a lot of them" This is the reasoning of the national minorities, and perhaps they are right !?
      1. donchepano
        +1
        27 October 2012 20: 38
        Fertility is negative.
        CLOSE TO THE POINT OF NON-REFUND
  17. Igor
    -2
    23 October 2012 11: 22
    In general, you need to take an example from Japan, there are no problems with it, if you hire a migrant, you need to pay him 3 times more than the local one (they have such a law) and develop robotics (Japan is the country with the highest number of robots in the world per capita), although in Japan there is practically no corruption, and if corruption rules the country, then in this country no reforms or changes in legislation will produce anything.

    PSWhen a person creates robots capable of working in black jobs and producing them in large quantities, like cars, then the problem of migration will disappear by itself.
    1. 0
      23 October 2012 12: 21
      Igor

      I read your comments, are you joking (in good terms)? .. wink

      Quote: Igorek
      In general, you need to take an example from Japan, there are no problems with it, if you hire a migrant, you need to pay him 3 times more than the local one (they have such a law) and develop robotics (Japan is the country with the highest number of robots in the world per capita), although in Japan there is practically no corruption, and if corruption rules the country, then in this country no reforms or changes in legislation will produce anything.


      But this is serious and on the topic +

      A. Azimov (if I knew about migration issues) lol
      Quote: Igorek
      PSWhen a person creates robots capable of working in black jobs and producing them in large quantities, like cars, then the problem of migration will disappear by itself.

      To offend, in no case, did not want you. + To you.
    2. +2
      23 October 2012 12: 24
      Quite right, in Japan a low-skilled migrant needs to pay more than a Japanese worker. Accordingly, hiring migrants is economically unprofitable. The exceptions are migrants of Japanese descent and highly skilled workers, whom Japan is trying to attract.
      In our country, the opposite is true: highly qualified people leave the country, and Russia is flooded with hordes of migrants who are ready for any job for a penny. If people were paid a normal salary, migrants would not be needed, they would take all their places, and accordingly there would be no dumping and the overall level of wages in the country would increase, which would reduce the "brain drain" from Russia to the West. But it seems that it is not profitable for the authorities. It is more profitable for them not to develop a normal economy, but to use cheap half-slaves and drive oil and gas for export.
    3. donchepano
      0
      23 October 2012 15: 55
      while robots will be created in our country - you will no longer be seen by Asians
  18. Brother Sarych
    0
    23 October 2012 11: 43
    This, children, capitalism in all its glory!
    What will the capitalist do for 100 percent profit? And for 200? And for 300?
    This is the root of the problem ...
  19. -4
    23 October 2012 12: 38
    Quote: Igorek
    Oh, you just don’t have to blame everything on the construction business, but you know that you need to pay a kickback to officials in the amount of 40 to 20% of the cost of the object, so that they issue all the building permits, expel the cops or some other service for the roof, so that competitors they didn’t cover your business, then all this money needs to be returned to the business, and from here such prices for housing, and now imagine that the business will hire the local population and pay them from 50 to 60 thousand rubles. And now I had a question, how much will housing cost after these kickbacks, roofs and expensive labor? And who will buy it?

    + I support you, dear! only you forgot more requisitions when passing the objects!
    By the way, in our organization (as you are related to construction) they prefer to hire local, Russian people, labor migrants - only from contractors; while the funny thing is you know what? young boys come to settle quite rarely, the main contingent, even among laborers - people over the age of 50 years (up to 65) and this despite the difficulties with finding work !!!
    for some reason, most of the young people, especially those who graduated from institutes, prefer not to do anything, sitting on their mother’s neck with their dad and expect that someone will call and call to work with a salary of 100000 rubles, where nothing will be needed do!!!

    I want to appeal to all the screamers who demand toughening laws and are trying to blame all the responsibility for migrants on the government: IT IS VERY EASY TO RELEASE FROM GASTABRAYERS - ENOUGH TO STEEP AND START FINALLY WORK, TAKE THEIR PLACE AND THERE WILL NEVER ARRIVE !!!!
    1. DIMS
      +10
      23 October 2012 13: 10
      Quote: dirty trick
      I want to appeal to all the screamers who demand toughening laws and try to blame all the responsibility for migrants on the government: IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO RELEASE FROM GASTRASTERS AND START AND START FINALLY WORK, TAKE THEIR PLACE AND THERE WILL NOT HAVE ANYWHERE TO COME !!!!

      Dear, did you fall from the moon? The fact that they are paid to migrants cannot be lived in Russia by a local resident. They dump in the most explicit way.

      The real situation at a real Russian enterprise. City-forming.
      They worked neither shaky nor rolls, and then they fell happiness, a few large orders, including from MO. We need workers. They tried to take them from the local? But for this it is necessary to raise the salary, otherwise it is only enough to pay for housing and communal services.
      They do it easier. First, one and a half hundred zk are brought from the local colony settlement. Then 3 hundreds of migrant workers. And the salary can no longer be raised.
      And what about the locals? They have to go to work in Moscow or work at the dachas of the Moscow region. Earning bread for his family. That's all there is to it. And you "We have to work, we have to work. Would you work for the press for 6 tr per month?"
      1. Igor
        +2
        23 October 2012 13: 30
        Quote: DIMS
        Dear, did you fall from the moon? The fact that they are paid to migrants cannot be lived in Russia by a local resident. They dump in the most explicit way.


        +10500! For such a salary, you can only earn extra money, and then only while you are young and study somewhere.
    2. Igor
      +2
      23 October 2012 13: 21
      Quote: dirty trick
      especially graduates, prefers to do nothing, sitting on his mother’s neck and dad and waiting


      No, the thing is different, now without work experience it is difficult to find a job with a normal salary, the government is shouting we need qualified engineers and scientists, but my brother works as an engineer for the state. the enterprise (the bosses have always been quite the way he works), but how does he receive 15 thousand and so does he receive and what can he buy for such a migrant salary? And from the fact that he will go to work on a construction site for 20 thousand and work there from sunset until dawn, something, I doubt that something will change in his life.
    3. +5
      24 October 2012 03: 06
      Quote: dirty trick
      IT IS VERY EASY TO RELEASE FROM GASTABRAYERS - ENOUGH TO STEEP AND START FINALLY WORK, TAKE THEIR PLACE AND THERE WILL NEVER ARRIVE !!!!


      Try to get a job as a janitor in a housing department or a minibus driver in Moscow.
      KhTU .. Because the Tajik in the statement signs for one amount and gets less on hand. That’s the whole reason .. if briefly.
  20. +9
    23 October 2012 12: 50
    In my opinion, the article describes the problem superficially. This is a very complex topic to cover in the form of an essay.
    The situation at the moment is so difficult that it needs to be dealt with drastically. not knowing "I worked / supervised migrants, and there are excellent guys among them" and like "well, they are poor, they have nowhere to work at home."
    Until the leadership of the state wakes up from a hangover and betrayal, and announces a moratorium on the entry of migrants for about five years, there will be no order. There is no need at the moment in them!
    WHAT ARE NECESSARY IF A HUGE MASS OF MIGRANTS WORK ON THE MARKETS AND IN A CAFE, AND WITHOUT THIS GOOD WE WILL ALREADY BE CARRIED OUT.
    Enough tolerance, I'm not tolerant, I'm tired of being one, I'm already sick of this.
    I want to calmly walk in the evening with my daughter along the streets of my village, not looking at people, and not looking at the street for a kilometer in front!
    1. +2
      23 October 2012 15: 54
      I agree, something needs to be done, but not with the current government
      1. 0
        23 October 2012 16: 06
        I’m probably very lucky with my subordinates, but their environment is really full of DULL BARANS, because of them my Uzbek also left ....
      2. +2
        23 October 2012 20: 23
        Quote: Volozhanin

        I agree, something needs to be done, but not with the current government

        Something with the current government must be done before they finally globalize the country.
        1. +1
          24 October 2012 18: 09
          Yes, I’m becoming more and more convinced that the current government must be taken away from the government’s leadership. It is advisable to go straight to jail. But how to put this into practice ???
  21. +2
    23 October 2012 13: 34
    How many honey do not hide, the bees will find it.
    It is necessary to equate employers who use the labor of illegal immigrants to slave owners.
    Accordingly, to deal with slave owners in all severity ...



    “According to the UN, up to 1,5 million labor migrants work in Russia in conditions“ close to slave. ”State Duma experts conducted a survey of migrant workers and found that 24% do not receive salaries, 38% do work for which they did not consent, 24% work “in inhuman conditions.” All this, says the main author of the UNICEF report, leading researcher at the Institute of Socio-Economic Problems of Population of the Russian Academy of Sciences Elena Tyuryukanova, signs of slave labor.

    AND YOU ARE SURPRISED, WHY DO SLAVES BURN? UNLIKE US - THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE THEM.
  22. Download Do Re Mi
    +4
    23 October 2012 13: 59
    We do not need these guests, DO NOT NEED!
  23. patriot2
    +1
    23 October 2012 14: 15
    Boris55,
    I would like to add to your just words that, for example, between Russia and Tajikistan there is no agreement on the mutual extradition of criminals who committed an act in another territory. Roughly speaking, a Tajik can kill a Russian and dump him in Tajikistan, which is not obliged to extradite him to Russia. Now let Tajik crime go to Russia?
    Our officials are inadequate and can think and act only in the interests of their own personal pockets, although they must think and act for the good of the country!
    Therefore, the worst evil is not migrants, but those who had to regulate and limit this process.
    However, any chaotic system itself seeks order and I am afraid that this new order will exclude not only the indigenous population of the country, but also other nations from the ability to influence the situation with migration due to mixed marriages and erosion of the very concept of nationality in the near future.
    1. +2
      23 October 2012 21: 28
      IMHO: Everything connected with migrants is the largest mafia structure after drugs.
  24. +1
    23 October 2012 14: 20
    Proposed to the government of the Russian Federation: Entry to the RA with a security deposit (the cost of a railway ticket from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok) - the security deposit is returned upon departure from the Russian Federation; Payment of wages only through Sberbank of the Russian Federation with withholding of the established subtax (13%) with the responsibility of both the employee and the employer for "cash". Penalty 1000% of the benefits received, but not less than 100 rubles
    1. DIMS
      +1
      23 October 2012 14: 47
      This is not enough. The guest worker must cost the employer the same price as the local one. And that’s it.
      1. -1
        23 October 2012 17: 39
        Quote: DIMS
        This is not enough. The guest worker must cost the employer the same price as the local one. And that’s it.

        believe me, often they (taking into account alterations - what to do with most of them have extremely low qualifications) are much more expensive. verified by own experience. that is why the last few years we prefer to work with Russians.
    2. donchepano
      0
      23 October 2012 16: 04
      Have you been offering it for a long time?
      1. +3
        23 October 2012 16: 59
        [quote = donchepano] Have you offered it for a long time? [/ quote] I sent a letter to GDP during Medvedev's time with suggestions, how easy it is to get away from wages in envelopes, how to limit illegal immigrants, how to guarantee medical services and wages to legal workers. There is no answer, because the "democrats" in the Russian Federation are VERY FAVORABLE SLAVES, BOTH THEIRS AND IMPORTED Slaves.
        1. donchepano
          +1
          23 October 2012 17: 18
          make it public in the press, here, too, decent reposts, if, let’s discuss it together. From Medvedev and others to the point ..
  25. Brother Sarych
    -1
    23 October 2012 14: 34
    It is strange that the article has not yet mentioned that, say, migrants enter Russia with internal passports, and therefore the process cannot be controlled!
    This, by the way, is a lie - for example, an Uzbek passport is the same both for internal use and for traveling, visas are also molded there if necessary, and when crossing the border, stamps at border points must be stamped. When crossing the border, the passport is scanned, now in Uzbekistan biometric passports are introduced, which further simplifies the control ...
    Criminals are extradited from Russia to Uzbekistan - at airports you can often see someone handcuffed, and sometimes they are simply sent half a plane, or even more ...
    1. Brother Sarych
      -1
      23 October 2012 16: 37
      It is not true? What did I write?
    2. +1
      23 October 2012 21: 25
      "Criminals from Russia to Uzbekistan are extradited - at airports you can often see someone in handcuffs, and sometimes they are simply expelled by half a plane, or even more .."

      It’s just being sent at our expense. I would have forced illegal immigrants to earn money on the way back under the supervision of law enforcement agencies. There is a job. And then goodbye forever.
      In Kazakh passports about 10 years ago there was no registration, i.e. it’s not even known where he came from. I don’t know how
      1. +3
        23 October 2012 23: 30
        Someone disagreeing in a row set cons.
        I repeat. The state must take care of its citizens. Therefore, I am for strict immigration law. Well, let the citizens of the former fraternal republics take care of their governments.
        A double-edged sword. "Russians go to Russia". So they are reaping these fruits.
        But ordinary people feel sorry.
  26. nic
    nic
    +2
    23 October 2012 14: 44
    The article is trash.
    "Is there a developed country in the world today that has rationally approached the issue of controlling migration flows and today, in terms of migration policy, complete order reigns in this country?"
    - Is there life on Mars, is there life on Mars, science is unknown.
    "Most likely, if there are such countries, then there are only a few of them. And they cannot be found among the European states choking on constantly arriving illegal immigrants."
    - Science has proved that there are no such countries, here!

    The preparation is completed, the false introductory begins:
    "The need for an inflow of cheap labor from neighboring states dictates new laws for the development of Russian society,"
    - Immediately a false postulate that we cannot cope without guest workers, they are necessary.

    A whole paragraph is allocated to a certain Shchedrovitsky, who by all members for emigration (the transfer of foreigners to our country, in droves).
    Three paragraphs of the discussion, and in fact in his words, that is, perhaps he is not right in everything, but he must be heeded.

    Another interesting:
    "After all, one cannot say that any labor migrant is certainly an illegal, extremist or criminal representative."
    In the next paragraph:
    "And according to sociologists, the likelihood for a labor illegal to be involved in a criminal business in Russia is close to 100%."
    It’s not clear, are they all potential robbers - rapists, drug traffickers, carriers of infectious diseases, or is this all nonsense?
    Well, in the end, a sweet pill pill.
    This is sweet for locals:
    "According to unofficial estimates of economists, 1 illegal labor migrant for the Russian budget costs 3-4 times more than a legally working Russian."
    And this is a bookmark, a false postulate:
    "... So it turns out that Russia's interest in migrant workers ..."
    -analogous at the beginning of the text:
    "... The need for an inflow of cheap labor from neighboring countries ..."
    Ringed.
    Article slag, uncluttered manipulation.
    1. +3
      23 October 2012 17: 21
      Quote: nic
      "And according to sociologists, the likelihood for a labor illegal to be involved in a criminal business in Russia is close to 100%."
      Of course, because the employer: has the opportunity not to pay the UST, the tax, not to acquire medical poles, is not responsible for the BIS, etc. - is this not a crime? This is how I answered all your "misunderstandings" in all paragraphs
    2. tambu
      +2
      23 October 2012 17: 22
      very sure ...
  27. +1
    23 October 2012 17: 56
    This is probably a Shedrovitsky freak in life, the title of the article needs to be changed, what the hell are the guests, here is the author to arrange for the market among * guests *, in a week he will immediately change his mind and become a Nazi
  28. +2
    23 October 2012 18: 03
    There are of course and they have wonderful and smart people, but only more and more sheep go here :-(
    The solution is obvious: to deprive them of the economic basis of existence - not to hire, not to buy in their stores, not to go to their establishments. They will still stretch a couple of months, and then, either from hunger, they will glue the flippers or dump them home.
    1. donchepano
      0
      23 October 2012 19: 19
      Stopudov fkensh.
      you are direct humane roadmap painted instructions for action ..
      The main thing is no violence. So that you do not commit 282
  29. +1
    23 October 2012 18: 12
    Quote: Фкенщь13
    They’ll stretch a couple of months, and then, either from hunger, they will glue the flippers or dump them home.

    But, in order to dump on the Motherland, "grandmothers" are needed - but they are not, but you want to eat, and buy a ticket - hence the pure crime. ANYONE IN SUCH SITUATION WILL GO TO CRIME and that's the trouble, and how many cases of "kidalov" a person worked - they did not pay or were simply buried.
  30. Psychojoker
    +3
    23 October 2012 18: 38
    Yeah, touch them for a girl, how come. Then go cheat that you are not a nationalist and should get the maximum for a hooligan sad
    After all, our law is arranged in such a way that the defender is the leftmost one, and in the case of a "non-Russian", the National Bolsheviks are also guaranteed, even if their eyes are slanted)
  31. Mahamont
    +1
    23 October 2012 19: 19
    In one northern town, they let through everyone who was caught because of one sweltering black ass, and the police and firemen participated in this, and everyone who wished. Those who did not escape walked like silk. Well, how else with these animals?
    1. AntiSocial
      0
      25 October 2012 07: 02
      animals say trouble. But are you sure that you yourself are not an animal?
  32. Kshatriy
    +3
    23 October 2012 20: 08
    One of the supporters of the idea that without an impressive migration inflow to the Russian Federation, our economy will not cope with the challenges of the new time, is Peter Schedrovitsky - one of the leaders of such an organization as the North-West Center for Strategic Research. Schedrovitsky is sure that if we want to leave behind our country the status of a country with an actively developing economy that can be transformed into a developed financial system in the near future, then it is impossible to put a barrier for guest workers today. This supposedly will cancel out Moscow’s ambitions to remain a “world city”, and Russia will be thrown back in terms of movement along the path of economic progress. At the same time, Pyotr Shchedrovitsky notes that all the negativity that has recently manifested itself in terms of finding labor migrants in the country is by and large not justified. In his opinion, migrants behave as the indigenous majority allows them to do.
    .... In the month of August, he lived in the mountains for two weeks. Lipetsk .... for all the time - I saw three or four chocks == moving ..., in small dashes ................. Yes, there really is a local population that does not allow them to just to behave incorrectly, but to live in their city ... (maybe it is after the execution of Lipetsk O.M.O.Na ?????? .... maybe all of us Russians should be taught that way ?? ?)
    1. +1
      24 October 2012 12: 29
      As an option, but the essence of the problem does not solve.
    2. donchepano
      0
      26 October 2012 22: 41
      Chudrovitsky probably sleeps and sees himself as the head of the new Babylon ..
  33. AlexMH
    +4
    23 October 2012 20: 43
    The most correct attitude towards migrant workers in the Emirates. He arrived, worked, you live in a hut, you can’t get your eyes on the streets, he left strictly on time with money. Any violation is deportation without the right to return. No wives and children, and other problems. Do not like it - do not come.

    If you DO NOT URGENTLY take measures, we will either have Nazism with pogroms and executions, or (which is clearly worse) another Muslim country. And you see, it’s profitable for officials, profitable for businessmen, profitable for migrants, everyone is happy to death that there are suckers like us who are not profitable for Russians, but nobody asks them. How does anyone stutter, they say, do we need so many of them here? - Immediately a Russian fascist and generally an extremist. The authorities do not have self-preservation, how they got to the money - their brains are lost, they do not know what a real fascist is.
    1. Kshatriy
      +3
      23 October 2012 20: 53
      Quote: AlexMH
      How does anyone stutter, they say, do we need so many of them here? - immediately a Russian fascist and generally an extremist

      I answer .... Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov ---- in prison on a trumped-up charge ....... Honor and Conscience of the Russian People ..... (we are in the occupation, and therefore we do not have the right to vote .. .. as they want, so we will be called ..... I want - fascists, Chosh - extremists ... uzho and chauvinists (that is ... - chauvinists .. "from China." .. however it happens) - they call them names .... And they get away with any nasty things ..... Therefore, one and they believe that their Power is their Right !!!!!!
  34. -1
    23 October 2012 22: 33
    And why is it only about cheap labor?
  35. Kshatriy
    +2
    23 October 2012 22: 44
    ...... "The answer is .... Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov ---- in prison on a trumped-up charge ....... Honor and Conscience of the Russian People ..... (we are in occupation, and for this reason we don’t have voices .... they will call us the way they want ... they want to be fascists, chosh - extremists ... and chauvinists (that is ... - chauvinists .. "from China." .. but it happens) - they call names .... And they get away with any nasty things ..... Therefore, one and they believe that their Power is their Right !!!!!! ...... "
    Wooooooh ----- how ...... I don’t like it ----- (duck and show up-make fun .. argue your Russophobic position .......)
  36. Kshatriy
    +2
    23 October 2012 23: 04
    AUUUUU ----- Russophobes crawl out onto the surface-show openly our rotten SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
  37. WW3
    WW3
    +2
    23 October 2012 23: 58
    On the one hand, there is a need for cheap labor, but on the other hand, Russia should not be allowed not to turn into "our rush" thanks to the "ravshans" and "jumshuts". We need a reasonable immigration policy of the state.
    !
    1. donchepano
      0
      26 October 2012 22: 44
      and to them the rabbis and jamsites in a heap - to the galstans
  38. +3
    24 October 2012 00: 06
    If you are Russian, turn to Orthodoxy! Give birth and raise children who will provide you with old age (retirement). What will come about today is most likely irreversible. Though? Everything is in our (Russian) hands and brains.
  39. +2
    24 October 2012 00: 11
    so what? according to various surveys, from 65-68% of Russians (and this according to the 2010 census-80% (in 2002 it was 88% !?)) are migrant workers and compatriots from the Caucasus aggressively, let’s lower who are to blame for the corrupt cops, officials or Putin it doesn’t matter! The critical mass has been accumulated, there is not enough powerful, colorful, odious figure to direct this force in the right direction father-in-law nationalism or even fascism is inevitable! Maybe this person was just born, maybe he’s running around with the ball, but older generations with a vaccine against German fascism are leaving — our future is most likely nationalism, otherwise the Slavs don’t have it at all! It is enough to look at the results of the elections in the countries of European tolerance, and do not make up a liberalistic grimace. Without extra hypocrisy, we must tell us closer the foreigners Ukrainians, Belarusians than our compatriots from the Caucasus!

    I can already hear how some great-power patriots will begin: "Well, how can the Caucasus rise, the Muslim world will rise! And we have Bashkirs, Tatars!" - I immediately say: I DON'T KNOW HOW! Russia is a special country with its own path, nationalism in it can take any, even bizarre, forms of love and hatred for different nations. But things seem to be heading towards this

    In my humble opinion
  40. +6
    24 October 2012 01: 40
    In short, they made from guest workers another time bomb for all of Russia! We are really hospitable people who are disgusted with fascism, but, damn it, I'm afraid it will explode with us very soon. People will start beating the newcomers for nothing. Thanks to the bureaucrats for the "wonderful job".
  41. georg737577
    +3
    24 October 2012 02: 43
    The problem is insoluble when there are "double standards" in the country. It's time for Russia to decide what is more important - to portray "democracy" or call things by their proper names and start acting for the good of its own nation ...
  42. +4
    24 October 2012 10: 53
    Here some people talk about laziness, inability, unwillingness of the native resident of the country to WORK, there is no need for 3,14, you have to pay a real but non-fictional "average" salary and put half of the officials against the wall, as in 37, an example of my town in Yamal (about 35 thousand of the population), in 10 years when the first Gaster appeared and to this day an increase in the number from 12 people to almost 1000 thousand people, this is not to mention the "Russians" Dags and Czechs, and of course the Azeris, of course, as without them, now they (Tajiks, Uzbeks) have a diaspora (the Dags, Czechs and Azeris have a diaspora for a long time), a restaurant, several Muslim shops, food and clothing, a mosque is under construction, almost Chinatown (an acquaintance works in the police told), cops cannot deport prohibits the leadership of the administrations of the city, that of the district, who tried not to obey, flew out of the cops like bullets, the rest closed their mouths, over the summer 4 rapes were all gaster, the average salary over the past 2 years with the massive import of gaster of all stripes became 22-27 thousand rubles (this is not much with local prices), in the evening it is impossible to go out all around one black, but the authorities report on the construction of fountains, marble embankment 3a 4mln rubles !!!!!!! although 63% of the housing stock is wooden in disrepair, the gasification of the town is about 40%, although the nearest gas and oil field is 16 km away, there have already been several high-profile crimes at the local level when they were killed or robbed and raided, to Tajikistan, Azerbaijan and Dagestan, tolerance and peacefulness wavered, but on TV, everything is fine and looking in the TV box and on the street, at the officials, being a patriot of my country, I start fighting for its integrity. incline to the idea that we are being sold here the same way they did it during the war more than once, and we must endure all this for the sake of preserving the GREAT LIE, about Equality, Justice and Truth, rest assured another 5-7 years of such democracy and the people themselves the new Stalin, unfortunately, without a great purge, we will collapse.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      +2
      24 October 2012 11: 18
      All these parasites also flock to Ukraine, they cannot live without normal people, they need to hang on someone’s neck, rip off, disrupt our usual way of life. Moreover, officials help them simply by saying everything and everywhere, they intimidate local guys by finding an excuse or thinking up destroy the most powerful and courageous and humiliate (and the rest will not say anything) and they get away with it
      1. +2
        24 October 2012 18: 19
        Yes, these parasites will also be pulled to you. It's so good to come to everything ready. The fact that the Russians (Ukrainians) created over the centuries, defended at the cost of millions of lives. And they will come from their dusty villages and villages and begin to pump their rights. Capture all the monetary spheres of the economy. Engage in crime. Like a locust.
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          +1
          24 October 2012 18: 59
          http://12video.ru/video/517311 Кто нибудь может подсказать мне зачем мужчина танцует перед другими мужчинами или на улице перед незнакомыми людьми!!???))))))))))))))
    2. donchepano
      0
      26 October 2012 22: 54
      in the Kavminvody (Stavropol Territory) a very interesting fighting girl appeared. It seems Oksana Volvo or Velve.
      look on the internet-fearless raised the topic of humiliation of the Slavic people.
      The real Joan of Arc.
      And all on the theme of the revival of a healthy lifestyle, sports.
      And the authorities do not want to educate young people who are not drinkers involved in sports.
      They are calmer when the indigenous people are lying on the ground, draped, stoned, sniffed, etc.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        +1
        26 October 2012 23: 53
        Oksana Velve, the girl is telling the truth !! I have friends in the Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories, so it is not a secret in Ukraine that this brown-Muslim plague has long occupied these lands. In Rostov-on-Don, life has already become unbearable from the "disco dancers".
    3. donchepano
      0
      27 October 2012 20: 06
      no matter how the collapse occurred much earlier ..
      CIA, CIC, bilderbeg club try very hard
  43. +5
    24 October 2012 12: 44
    It is a big mistake to wait for a new Stalin, Fuhrer, etc. It all depends on you and me how we will live on our land. We do not like the "Bolotnaya" and other "non-systemic" ones, but they give us an example of how to express our opinion and dissatisfaction with the authorities.