Tragedy in Izhevsk: death toll rises to 17

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Tragedy in Izhevsk: death toll rises to 17

The death toll from a shooting at a secondary school in Izhevsk (Udmurtia) has risen to 17 people. Eleven of the total number of dead are children who studied at this educational institution. Another 23 people received injuries of varying severity. This was announced by the administration of the region.

On September 26, an armed criminal broke into school No. 88 in the city of Izhevsk, who staged a mass execution of students and teachers, and then committed suicide. Soon, law enforcement agencies managed to identify him: 34-year-old Artem Kazantsev once studied at this school himself. Yes, and he lived nearby - in a nine-story building, in a parental four-room apartment.

As former classmates of Kazantsev, whom journalists rushed to hastily interrogate, recall, Artyom was a quiet and inconspicuous student during his school years, he did not enter into any conflicts. And after school, the young man lived unnoticed. A neighbor recalls that he always hid his face behind the hood of his jacket, was an unsociable person, did not communicate much with anyone.

At the same time, other details emerged. So, it became known that Kazantsev was registered in a psycho-neurological dispensary. Kazantsev was diagnosed with sluggish schizophrenia back in 2011. The last time Artem visited a psychiatrist, by the way, was just a week before the mass execution. But this did not stop him from preparing for the crime. In order to carry out a mass execution, he had been preparing for more than a year. This is evidenced by the suicide note that Artem Kazantsev kept in his computer.

A search was conducted in Kazantsev's apartment: the police found five mobile phones and a computer. Despite his mental illness, Kazantsev managed to purchase weapon, ammunition. Investigators have yet to find out how he did it. It has already been established that Kazantsev, as the owner of the weapon, was not registered with the licensing and permitting work of the Russian Guard, and could not be, given his diagnosis.

Pistols, from which the criminal fired at children and teachers, he remade from traumatic ones. Where he bought the "injuries" is also a question, since the possession of a traumatic weapon requires appropriate permission. However, there have always been opportunities to acquire such weapons bypassing official channels, and Kazantsev probably took advantage of them.

Now there is a lot of talk about the fact that Kazantsev was a neo-Nazi. After all, at the time of the crime, he was wearing a black T-shirt with a swastika. However, is it possible to talk about some beliefs when it comes to a schizophrenic with an officially confirmed diagnosis? Rather, Kazantsev's interest in Nazi symbols and massacres arose as a result of his unhealthy psyche.

But, in any case, the investigators are now thoroughly studying any information about the political views, lifestyle, activities of Artem Kazantsev. Although he himself is no longer alive, knowledge and understanding of the psychology of such criminals will help prevent other cruel crimes.

Also, security agencies and investigators will check the "Ukrainian trace" - otherwise, in the current political situation. There is no doubt that there will be a discussion of possible measures to strengthen the security of schools and other educational institutions. But there are a lot of questions, including how the security system is organized in general, given that this is far from the first such crime.
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  1. +6
    27 September 2022 09: 07
    Now there is a lot of talk about the fact that Kazantsev was a neo-Nazi.
    Bitch offal!
    Nazism is a contagious disease!
    1. Kim
      +6
      27 September 2022 09: 16
      yes, which one is a Nazi
      so, on the level of "they have uniforms from Hugo Boss, cool!" ...
      1. +6
        27 September 2022 09: 18
        Quote from kim
        yes, which one is a Nazi

        However, is it possible to talk about some beliefs when it comes to a schizophrenic with an officially confirmed diagnosis? Rather, Kazantsev's interest in Nazi symbols and massacres arose as a result of his unhealthy psyche.
        Nazism of the bare brain!
        1. Kim
          +2
          27 September 2022 09: 20
          interaural ganglion
          and there is no way to prevent, what's the trouble
      2. +1
        27 September 2022 09: 21
        yes, which one is a Nazi
        so, on the level of "they have uniforms from Hugo Boss, cool!" ...


        if it was just such a level as you say, he would not have taken pistols and would not have gone to arrange a columbine. although more and more in all media they voice that he was a simple schizophrenic.
        1. +6
          27 September 2022 09: 24
          Quote: Nexcom
          yes, which one is a Nazi
          so, on the level of "they have uniforms from Hugo Boss, cool!" ...


          if it was just such a level as you say, he would not have taken pistols and would not have gone to arrange a columbine. although more and more in all media they voice that he was a simple schizophrenic.

          Usually such quiet students are subjected to continuous and cruel harassment, from which they fall into anger, and then try to kill everyone. It is bullying that is the cause, and everything else is just various cosmetic aspects.
          Yes, and he was a psycho with an official diagnosis, what else is needed?
          1. +6
            27 September 2022 09: 43
            Yeah, and he waited 17 years for someone to break away? Well, come to your senses, not everything is simple there.
            1. +1
              27 September 2022 10: 09
              Quote: Ros 56
              Yeah, and he waited 17 years for someone to break away? Well, come to your senses, not everything is simple there.

              Maybe he came off on someone, just this time he decided to make it noisy.
          2. +2
            27 September 2022 10: 09
            absolutely, try to beat a puppy every day and see what grows up, I saw a neighbor, a man of five years old gets stars every day, a teacher in FIG
            and then we have the result, the education of the rabid within society by the forces of society itself
        2. Kim
          -2
          27 September 2022 09: 29
          he was a psycho with an official diagnosis, what else is needed?

          exhaustively
          ------------------
          compare with, for example, Breivik
    2. +5
      27 September 2022 09: 21
      Whoever he was, the dead can not be returned.
      I have always said and will continue to say that the school is to blame for school accidents.
      Now all former classmates say that he was quiet and inconspicuous ... is that true? Or no one of us studied at school and does not know how easy it is to make an outcast out of a person? Or teachers encouraging conflicts or simply condoning ... That's just none of the former classmates will tell the truth, afraid of condemnation. But he came to school to avenge his school years ...
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 09: 24
        this speaks of his mental inferiority in terms of mental stability. a normal mentally stable person would have forgotten about school long ago. this is a feature of the normal psyche - over time, traumatic memories become dull and disappear from memory.
        and it didn't happen to him.
    3. -2
      27 September 2022 09: 31
      Whatever giblets it was, but the violation of the security regime of the object most likely led to such difficult, tragic consequences !!!
      Although, there are so many of these violations that we can say that there was a CRIME committed by many, different people, servicemen.
      1. +8
        27 September 2022 09: 34
        Quote: rocket757
        and the violation of the security regime of the facility most likely led to such severe, tragic consequences !!!
        Aha
        In our school, of course, under totalitarianism, the regime was provided by Aunt Glasha with a wet rag!
        And she did great!
        1. 0
          27 September 2022 10: 00
          We didn’t have aunts Glasha, but the same ...
          No one argues that it was DIFFERENT then!
          But we are talking about now, so everything must be done as it should now.
          I already wrote about the fact that the ruling party won the by-election, so ... we conclude that, as now, this is for a long time.
        2. 0
          27 September 2022 10: 17
          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: rocket757
          and the violation of the security regime of the facility most likely led to such severe, tragic consequences !!!
          Aha
          In our school, of course, under totalitarianism, the regime was provided by Aunt Glasha with a wet rag!
          And she did great!

          While
          Where is the press? Washed right there!
          sounded scarier than today's "guards"
          Stop! I will shoot!
          Although in their schools, despite having certificates, they don’t even have rubber sticks, not to mention something more serious.
          And what will a seventy-year-old grandfather, armed only with a kind word, do to such a scumbag born in 88? The first one himself will lie down on the floor, so as not to get the first bullet.
          1. +3
            27 September 2022 11: 09
            And what will a seventy-year-old grandfather, armed only with a kind word, do to such a scumbag born in 88? The first one himself will lie down on the floor, so as not to get the first bullet.

            It was reported that the guards were the first to die. I can't blame them for anything.
            1. +3
              27 September 2022 12: 30
              Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
              And what will a seventy-year-old grandfather, armed only with a kind word, do to such a scumbag born in 88? The first one himself will lie down on the floor, so as not to get the first bullet.

              It was reported that the guards were the first to die. I can't blame them for anything.

              Well, I didn’t say that all the guards are cowards, parasites and loafers.

              I meant that the guard's job is not to be the first to catch the bullet, but to prevent what happened in Izhevsk. And the unarmed seventy-year-old grandfather simply does not have the opportunity to do his job well.
      2. +2
        27 September 2022 09: 37
        Quote: rocket757
        violation of the security regime of the facility, most likely led to such severe, tragic consequences !!!

        It seems like the guards died too ... but this is not a question of the security regime, even if you put up a fence with a detector frame, there will always be a hole in it. Question for private security. Who stood, how he stood, what kind of training he had, it is quite possible that the death of the guards prevented an even greater tragedy, allowing children and teachers to barricade themselves in the classrooms.
        In addition, I suspect that the necessary security measures have not yet been worked out and taken in Russian schools.
        1. +5
          27 September 2022 09: 41
          Quote: Canecat
          Looks like the guards are dead...
          Yes they died...
          Actually didn't get to do anything.
          And a Russian guard in armor would have been killed in the same way. Just a point-blank shot in the face.
          And what now to put towers with machine guns around schools?
          1. +1
            27 September 2022 09: 52
            Quote: Victor_B
            And what now to put towers with machine guns around schools?

            No. But frames IN THE ROOM of the school are not allowed, they must be at the entrance, and not in the foyer, as in most schools.
            It just requires expenses for which the school does not receive funds.
            Each object has its own layout and a competent security specialist will be able to determine the most vulnerable points of penetration and neutralize ... but we usually save on this and get Kazan and Izhevsk.
        2. +1
          27 September 2022 09: 56
          Detained and will be arrested the director of LLC "Shchit", guarding school No. 88 in Izhevsk.

          Sources report that during the inspection many violations were found in the work of the private security company. The retired guards who died yesterday were also not formalized.

          A criminal case has been initiated under Part 3, Art. 238 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (providing services that do not meet security requirements), providing for up to 10 years in prison.

          There is no doubt that the detained director of the Shield, Alexei Zlobin, will not hide during interrogation that he is a nominal director who reports to the founder.

          According to the Unified State Register of Legal Entities, Anastasia Bushueva, who is the stepdaughter of Andrey Pichugin, the beneficiary of the security company Kobra, is among the founders of LLC PSC Shit. Those who remember the 90s must have heard this name in connection with the criminal wars in Izhevsk and the Boloto organized crime group.

          In general, the chain (taking into account the direct control by Bastrykin, who is flying to Izhevsk today) can wind up a lot of officials.

          Nikolai Merzlyakov, the head of the licensing and permitting system that controls security companies, may be the first to be hit. Perhaps other persons from law enforcement agencies. Here, here, yesterday I wrote about it. We are watching.
          From the telegrams of the channel.

          Lattices on the first floor installed inside the building. The door to the school after the start of classes should be closed. Two guards at the entrance. One comes to the door. Panic button. Lack of control and inspections of the prosecutor's office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs over security companies. This is my opinion .. I do not specialist.
          1. +1
            27 September 2022 10: 26
            Quote from igork735
            According to the Unified State Register of Legal Entities, Anastasia Bushueva, who is the stepdaughter of Andrey Pichugin, the beneficiary of the security company Kobra, is among the founders of LLC PSC Shit. Those who remember the 90s must have heard this name in connection with the criminal wars in Izhevsk and the Boloto organized crime group.

            Actually, the fact that the bandos of the 90s were legalized by opening private security companies is a secret ...
            Those who have not legalized have been in the cemetery for a long time. And the legal ones are "respected businessmen", very often even "philanthropists" and "patrons of the arts" ...

            Well, it’s not customary here somehow for us (and not only for us - world practice) to advertise the period of initial accumulation of capital.
            J. Rockefeller once said about his similar period
            I can explain the origin of any of my millions except the first
            I read about his first million ... According to today's American laws, his first million years for 250 years in prison pulls ...
          2. +1
            27 September 2022 10: 54
            Quote from igork735
            In general, the chain can wind up a lot of officials.

            As part of the investigation of a criminal case, traits may be revealed - those are some violations in the work of both the private security company, and the school, and the functioning of other state bodies. But in most cases, all this does not affect the quality of security services. The criteria for issuing a security guard license do not contain the requirements of the physical condition of an applicant for a job as a security guard, therefore, “deep pensioners” and incompetent mothers, who themselves move in space with difficulty without outside help, become security guards. And since FZ-44 implies the choice of a private security company according to the criterion of the minimum cost of the service, it is precisely such the cheapest security guards that will be in our schools and other state institutions. I agree with Canecat. Each building that is supposed to be protected must have structural security means - video surveillance, starting from the entrance to the territory of the facility, anti-burglary fittings on the windows of at least the lower floor, a "security gateway" at the entrances to the building with a metal detector frame and an access control system. In a word, this is a rather expensive "pleasure" both in terms of installation and maintenance. In addition, a special project (and not events taken out of the nose) will also cost "something". And of course, periodic training of staff of institutions, both permanent and variable, is necessary. The modern world is going crazy. External pressure on the country only increases the degree of nervousness of the population. And those who have some flaws in their mental state can actively progress in exacerbations against the background of disturbing information. You need to be prepared for this, or at least strive. But attempts from the state, actually not only ours, are not yet visible ...
        3. -1
          27 September 2022 10: 02
          Saved on bulletproof glass :(
        4. +1
          27 September 2022 10: 05
          We have constant anti-sabotage exercises at our enterprise ... we ourselves were pulled more than once, and those who were negligent in their duties were PUNISHED!
          Those. for sure everything is written in the instructions, do not write them fools! The question is, who is responsible for monitoring the implementation of those instructions???
          Who will answer now???
    4. +2
      27 September 2022 09: 52
      Again they write that a psycho, a fascist. And no one will write that these are the fruits of educating young people since 1991. Trade, selfishness, disregard for others.
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 10: 42
        Quote: Taimen
        no one will write that these are the fruits of educating young people since 1991. Trade, selfishness, disregard for others. The liberal "only I", which is above the Motherland, parents, and the team, is in action.

        A small example.

        Didn't pay attention to how they walk on the sidewalk? Not even in the center of the sidewalk. They are on the left side, burying themselves in the phone and absolutely not paying attention to the fact that there are other people on the sidewalk besides them. And this is not because they are not taught in school today to walk on the right side of the sidewalk so as not to create obstacles for oncoming passers-by. It is just that THEY DON'T CARE that there is someone else around.

        It’s even better if I come across this. As I walk on the right side, I don’t change my course or speed. Crashes into me - raises his eyes only when the phone is in one direction, it is in the other. And if not me, but an 80-year-old granny with a badik? Moreover, he won’t be able to dodge this due to old age (and, if necessary, answer claims for a phone that fell on asphalt and crashed for 60 sput)?

        I taught mine from childhood, as soon as he learned to distinguish between left and right: "Walk on the right side." To the question: "Why?" answered: "And imagine that dad will drive a car not on the right side of the road, but wherever dad wants?"
        Well, not all dads are like that...
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 11: 16
          Didn't pay attention to how they walk on the sidewalk? Not even in the center of the sidewalk. They are on the left side, burying themselves in the phone and absolutely not paying attention to the fact that there are other people on the sidewalk besides them.

          Absolutely agree with you. By the way, many women walk incorrectly, and of different ages. Most of the time I give in. Rule of three D: give way duraky
          I taught mine from childhood, as soon as he learned to distinguish between left and right: "Walk on the right side"

          He taught his for 9 years. There are a lot of cyclists now. Walk on the right - you're right. They will go around.
        2. +2
          27 September 2022 11: 38
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Didn't pay attention to how they walk on the sidewalk? Not even in the center of the sidewalk. They are on the left side, burying themselves in the phone and absolutely not paying attention to the fact that there are other people on the sidewalk besides them. And this is not because they are not taught in school today to walk on the right side of the sidewalk so as not to create obstacles for oncoming passers-by. It is just that THEY DON'T CARE that there is someone else around.

          Pfff... you might think that only young people sin with this. The older generation, in the same way, rushes on the sidewalk in the opposite direction and sticks at the door when entering and exiting the transport. And as for the search for a travel card in a bag right in front of the turnstile or a conversation with a friend in the narrowest part of the passage (no, they really learn this somewhere - well, there can’t be so many coincidences) ... laughing
          An entertaining sight - how two crowds start from both sides of the pedestrian crossing in full width and arrange a Brownian movement on the dividing line, slowing down so much that they do not have enough green for the crossing.
          1. 0
            27 September 2022 12: 22
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The older generation, in the same way, rushes on the sidewalk in the opposite direction and sticks at the door when entering and exiting the transport.

            Quote: Alexey RA
            An entertaining sight - how two crowds start from both sides of the pedestrian crossing in full width and arrange a Brownian movement on the dividing line, slowing down so much that they do not have enough green for the crossing.
            If you don’t want to, you’ll walk around the city on foot and you’ll yearn for the Union, huddled on today’s sidewalks.

            Crosswalk. Nevsky Prospekt, 1980.


            Sidewalk, 1958


            It's amazing - and how did people manage to walk and not bump into each other?
            1. +1
              27 September 2022 15: 57
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              If you don’t want to, you’ll walk around the city on foot and you’ll yearn for the Union, huddled on today’s sidewalks.

              Well, I remember Nevsky very well in the 80s and 90s (Dom Knigi - Military Book - pie in the basement on the corner with Liteiny - and home on the 20th tram), Then 9 out of 10 walking adhered to the right side. And 1 out of 10 just overtook kopusz and stretched companies. smile
  2. +5
    27 September 2022 09: 14
    you need to look for connections, with whom you have been talking lately, that one crazy man tried to shoot at the military registration and enlistment office, that another at school, and all this during referendums in the Donbass
    too many matches.
    And let the leaders of the special operation continue to regret the Nazi authorities dug in Kiev, instead of turning the whole block with them into a pile of bricks
  3. +5
    27 September 2022 09: 16
    I wanted to squeeze something out of myself.
    All words are dust.
    The kids can't be returned.
  4. Kim
    +6
    27 September 2022 09: 17
    The Ministry of Education has already found the culprit
    computer gamesyeah
    evil is missing...
  5. +1
    27 September 2022 09: 17
    At the time of the crime, he was wearing a black T-shirt with a swastika. However, is it possible to talk about some beliefs when it comes to a schizophrenic with an officially confirmed diagnosis?
    Even if he is inadequate, he nevertheless felt some unity with the fascist ideology.
    1. +13
      27 September 2022 09: 22
      Judging by the likes on Ukrainian TG channels, not only the Ukrainian military, but the entire Ukrainian community continues to degrade and turn into a beast
      1. +3
        27 September 2022 09: 30
        The process of degradation does not stop on its own, only from the outside. What Russia is doing now. And those who died at school are blessed memory.
      2. +1
        27 September 2022 10: 43
        Quote: Olga
        Judging by the likes on Ukrainian TG channels, not only the Ukrainian military, but the entire Ukrainian community continues to degrade and turn into a beast

        Hero of Ukraine has not yet been given to him posthumously? There are not such awards ...
  6. +3
    27 September 2022 09: 18
    Intuition tells us that Ukrainian and American terrorists have spent more than one million looking for such psychos in social networks and provoking them or massacres. And such are able to raise a hand only on the weakest and most defenseless children.
    It is high time to recognize the US and its allies as terrorist states. How much information can be collected about their crimes?
  7. +3
    27 September 2022 09: 19
    Although he himself is no longer alive, knowledge and understanding of the psychology of such criminals will help prevent other cruel crimes.

    I doubt it ...
    he was still a psycho, but in combination with a radical ideology, this is an explosive mixture.
    Any aggressive psycho can suddenly attack for no apparent reason ... there are a lot of such cases in our lives.
    This one seems to have been prepared in advance ... I bought two left-handed pistols, stocked up with a bunch of cartridges with clips ... Izhevsk is an armory city, apparently it can be done by hand there
    The people at the school were completely defenseless and helpless before the killer.
    Three minutes before the arrival of an alarming group of policemen, he managed to kill 17 people and injure more than two dozen more. what
    I can’t even imagine how to deal with this in the face of any restrictions and prohibitions of the law on self-defense from such scumbags. request
    1. 0
      27 September 2022 09: 40
      There are many methods of countering terrorism in educational institutions, from free to expensive, from short-term to long-term.
      Of the simplest and free of charge, it is to change the patrol routes of the police and the National Guard closer to schools. Of the expensive ones, change the access system, use expensive doors with locks.
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 09: 44
        There are plenty of methods, but they are ineffective ... as life has shown. what
        1. 0
          27 September 2022 09: 58
          And what methods were used and they turned out to be ineffective? Maybe the methods were not the same? It's like with the program for safe roads, the program is there, but there is no road safety.
          1. +1
            27 September 2022 10: 05
            All psychos, without exception, should be under supervision in state psychiatric hospitals ... especially violent ones should be kept in cages ... social networks must be constantly monitored 24 hours a day.
            Because the massacres in schools, as a rule, are committed publicly and openly by the killers ... at the preparation stage, some of the potential Breiviks can be stopped ... Unfortunately, they could not stop the Izhevsk psycho.
            It is necessary to study in detail his life and daily routine in order to find a weak spot where you can catch people like him.
      2. +1
        27 September 2022 10: 30
        from short-term to perennial.
        .... nonsense .. there is one way ... to chip everyone who is under the supervision of a psychiatrist if he is not in the proper institution, a constant check of school psychologists for professional suitability, so that there would be no more cases like in Kerch, when it was the psychologist who turned out to be incompetent, and that's it .... and sincere condolences to the parents of the deceased children
    2. +9
      27 September 2022 09: 40
      Yeah.
      Even if you put a school and five guards at the entrance, all the same, such a psycho will get through, because the school is not a prison with a search at the entrance. And besides schools, there are plenty of other "delicious" objects for psychos.
      Issuing weapons to teachers? And combat. So the psycho knows that he won’t get out of the school alive, but he still rushes to kill, this is the philosophy of Coolumbine.
      It is impossible to end this, it can be minimized by prevention, and by effective measures by law enforcement agencies.
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 09: 59
        And the doors to the banks, after all, don’t evoke prison associations in you, you don’t have to reduce everything to absurd comparisons.
        1. +8
          27 September 2022 10: 04
          What about bank doors? Ordinary glass ones are easy to open, unlike the school 200-kilogram one, which is problematic for elementary school students to open. I judge by "my" school.
          1. +1
            27 September 2022 10: 19
            The doors in banks are different, there are also those that you can’t get through.
            1. +7
              27 September 2022 10: 27
              If it's closed. You can't go through any closed door unless you have the key.
        2. +11
          27 September 2022 10: 14
          Of the expensive ones, change the access system, use expensive doors with locks.

          What kind of blizzard are you bringing?
          Which patrol routes to change?
          The police arrived 3 minutes later.
          And in order to start shooting a psycho, one is enough. And look for him later in a huge building.
          When was the last time you were in school. There are a thousand children running back and forth through the entrance several times. What kind of expensive system are you going to install at the entrance. The frame will ring there without interruption from morning until evening.
          Good. The school was "stubbed out", entrance by pass through the secret office.
          And take a psycho and now come to kindergarten.
          1. 0
            27 September 2022 11: 31
            Good. The school was "stubbed out", entrance by pass through the secret office.
            And take a psycho and now come to kindergarten.

            Yes, I remember the tragedy in Naryan-Mar, when another psycho killed a child during a quiet hour.
    3. +1
      27 September 2022 09: 49
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I can’t even imagine how to deal with this in the face of any restrictions and prohibitions of the law on self-defense from such scumbags.

      Maybe the state has signed its impotence, but:
      Article 20
      1. Everyone has the right to life.
      2. Until its abolition, the death penalty may be established by federal law as an exceptional measure of punishment for especially grave crimes against life, if the accused person is granted the right to a jury trial.

      just an expression of concern for citizens who spit on the law?
    4. +1
      27 September 2022 10: 39
      And what about the "ban on self-defense" in this case? What do you propose to distribute military weapons to primary school teachers? Remember your teacher .. would she have fought a lot with an armed scumbag? Who else? Will you hang a physical education teacher for unloading? At school, weapons should only be in the NVP class. As a teaching aid.
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 11: 45
        Quote: Dikson
        and in this case "prohibition of self-defense"

        For example, what rights do school guards have ... they do not have the right to search incoming schoolchildren and parents, they do not have the right to detain them, they do not have the right to use violence against suspicious persons ... the guard in this case is just a suicide bomber who has the right to be the first to get a bullet in the chest ... before that, if he manages to press the button to call the police ... that's all.
        Even I don't have the right to touch any suspicious person with a weapon on the street until he starts threatening someone... there are a lot of legally stupid nuances for which I will be imprisoned if I try to stop such a Breivik. hi
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 11: 59
          Well, as you wanted - we also have a teacher, for touching a student (the same physical education teacher on safety net), he can sit down under the article molestation .. And so that the guard at the entrance of the children paws in search of weapons .. Well, well .. Sorry , but no one will allow this for sure .. We must look for other methods and solutions ..
          1. +1
            27 September 2022 12: 59
            I agree, it’s necessary ... I suggested, for example, on the fields of VO, to already use special programs in video surveillance systems that fix suspicious moments at the entrance to the school territory and the door is automatically blocked ... you can give tasks to our scientists to develop various scanners specifically for the school and children.
            If you invest a lot and make an effort, a solution will certainly be found ... and prohibitions only complicate people's lives and rarely help in solving the problem.
  8. 9PA
    -3
    27 September 2022 09: 20
    The state flirted with healthy nationalism and Rodnovers for a long time. Get signed (somewhere one Rogozin cried the glory of Russia)
    1. +1
      27 September 2022 09: 25
      Where did you see the play? The state of all Russian nationalism was cut down in the bud, from radical skins to national demos
      282 is not in vain a Russian article.

      Here, on the contrary, the state supports the cultural autonomies of the Caucasus and Central Asia, and indulges the diasporas.
    2. 0
      27 September 2022 09: 32
      Quote: 9PA
      The state flirted with healthy nationalism and Rodnovers for a long time.

      I cannot agree with you ... nationalism has different shades ... only radical nationalism, based on the rejection of the rights of other peoples and nationalities, is dangerous ... and in general, any radicalism based on the denial of a person's right to life and freedom is dangerous. hi
      You can’t call the Hungarian nationalist Orban a radical ... so you shouldn’t cunningly substitute concepts here.
      1. 9PA
        -1
        27 September 2022 10: 22
        What is normal nationalism?
        1. 0
          27 September 2022 11: 48
          Quote: 9PA
          What is normal nationalism?

          Look at Orban and you will see.
          1. 9PA
            -1
            27 September 2022 15: 14
            Any healthy moderate pink nationalism leads to fascism. Time tested truth
  9. 0
    27 September 2022 09: 22
    Usual autumn exacerbation. In spring and autumn, you need to actively monitor the psychos, during these seasons they blow their heads off.
  10. +3
    27 September 2022 09: 27
    Whatever one may say, but the best solution to the problem is 2 armed guards, one at the turnstile, the other a little further, preferably around the corner
    And it's time to return the psychiatry of the USSR, sick psychos must be isolated
    1. 0
      27 September 2022 09: 35
      Armed guards can only be a temporary solution during the conflict with Ukraine. As a long-term solution does not pass categorically.
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 09: 36
        It passes, and before Ukraine, children were killed
        1. +1
          27 September 2022 09: 56
          I don’t remember something before 2014, the connection with the events in Ukraine, if not direct, then can be traced.
    2. 0
      27 September 2022 10: 31
      Uh-huh .. return psychiatry .. especially paid ... Considering the current level of training of doctors .. well, in general, a psychiatrist who decides to put him in a clinic or not ..- he will be a very rich person .. After all, any "inconvenient" can be sent for treatment .. At least a businessman, at least an official, at least a journalist .. But there are really a lot of psychos divorced ..
      1. +2
        27 September 2022 10: 36
        I wrote about the psychiatry of the USSR, but in Russia they are all on the streets
        They came up with a law on psychiatry, until a psycho turns himself, no one will bring him, something like this
        1. -2
          27 September 2022 21: 06
          Quote: Saboteur_Navy
          I wrote about the psychiatry of the USSR, but in Russia they are all on the streets

          Where should they be? Psychiatric patients - millions. These are just diagnosed. Where do you propose to keep them?
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 13: 56
            Quote: DenVB
            Where do you propose to keep them?

            In psychiatric hospitals. Under the union they kept.
  11. +1
    27 September 2022 09: 34
    As in most of these cases ... violations, violations and all this is a CRIME committed by various "responsible" persons!!!
  12. +3
    27 September 2022 09: 37
    I believe that the reason for the deed is not only on the ghoul ... who went off the coils ... but I am SURE that he was purposefully led and processed to this ..... they pumped him up to condition and suggested how and what to do .... and this is already thanks to democracy and the Internet with all the social networks and channels of mind control. The special services of the United States and Ukraine identify such scum who are mentally unstable and susceptible to suggestion and programming .... they catch them, grab them with their pincers and process them as a future live bomb in order to launch a terrorist attack at the right time. Which is what happens periodically. And schools still do not have normal security and security systems ... for example, gratings with e
    m locks.
  13. +2
    27 September 2022 09: 38
    Deepest condolences to the families of the victims!
    Why not invite the leadership of the Union of Psychiatrists of Russia to a symposium in Donetsk. Why don't they give a database of their patients, even the traffic police, not to mention law enforcement agencies.
    1. -3
      27 September 2022 21: 01
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Why not invite the leadership of the Union of Psychiatrists of Russia to a symposium in Donetsk.

      What does Donetsk have to do with it? What does the union of psychiatrists have to do with it?

      Quote: tralflot1832
      Why, they do not give a database of their patients, even the traffic police, not to mention law enforcement agencies.

      Why this base to power structures? What will they do with her? Well, besides pouring it right and left.

      Think before you write.
  14. +3
    27 September 2022 09: 38
    Converting an injury into a combat one is not a question, a question of questions - where are the cartridges from, they are not sold in vegetable shops?
    Of course, there are still many questions, but I don’t remember this in the USSR. Of course, rarely, but there were cases, in our 60th family of gypsies - 7 or 8 people, they all were killed, but there was an ax and a knife.
    1. +1
      27 September 2022 09: 55
      "the question of questions is where the cartridges come from," they forgot that the city of Izhevsk is a weapons forge in Russia.
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 10: 04
        Do you think they are lying on the streets? I doubt.
    2. +1
      27 September 2022 11: 17
      In fact, pistol cartridges have long been legalized. For hunters - for the purpose of use in hunting weapons. https://tempgun.ru/catalog/patrony/filter/kalibr-is-e9e5a1d8e8180caedfbbe31391b7e022/apply/ I looked - to go nuts how the price went up, I remember at 7.50 rubles. there was a shot, I even thought about buying a carbine for a pistol cartridge, it is cheaper than small things in the cost of a shot and more interesting.
      But it is necessary to dance during the investigation - from injuries. Actually, the indirectly used weapons indicate a good operational situation in a country with an illegal circulation of bullets - the criminals are forced to collective farm, and not use the available factory. But this is not for long - from 404, any shooter of your choice will soon arrive in time, for everyone, do not go to the fortuneteller.
  15. +2
    27 September 2022 09: 39
    How many developments on video cameras that recognize faces, how many means and devices have been invented to prevent unauthorized persons from entering the premises ... How many more different maniacs, murderers and shifted mad dogs have to kill children in order for something to reach adults?
    Despite his mental illness, Kazantsev managed to purchase weapons and ammunition. Investigators have yet to find out how he did it.

    Indeed, how? Yes, the same way that phones and drugs appear in the zone ... The same way that distribution goes almost by mail ... The same way that weapons get from "hot spots" to Russia ...
  16. 0
    27 September 2022 09: 40
    When will the moratorium on the death penalty be lifted? A-ahh? Mr. Peskov and others like you? Human values, entry into the "civilized European community" you say ... Nu-nu! Let's wait until it gets hotter. NECESSARILY WILL.
  17. -2
    27 September 2022 09: 42
    Fans of conspiracy theories, where the villains are the United States and Ukraine, should pay attention to the internal state of the state. From every iron about mobilization, war, hatred. General tension in society, pulling people.
    This cannot but affect the state of mentally ill people.
    The transfer of information could well lead to such a result.
  18. +1
    27 September 2022 09: 45
    Another computer scumbag. Parents apparently did not care about their mentally unbalanced offspring.
  19. 0
    27 September 2022 09: 48
    Parents-accomplices to the wall, or to life, they could not help but know what they are doing. I'm not a good person. Property to be confiscated in the interests of the victims.
    Ban all semi-automatic trams. Those who converted the trunks to the highest measure for complicity, confiscate all property. Before sending all accomplices, tape them to a pole near the school with electrical tape.
  20. 0
    27 September 2022 09: 54
    Well, the fact that this psycho was not predictable in his behavior is understandable. Now the question must be asked: how to avoid such incidents? The guard at the entrance did not stop him and was killed. So it is necessary to create some kind of a more advanced system of access to schools. For example, a system of lattice vestibules at the entrance, opening one by one. At the same time, it is impossible to get into the next vestibule without closing the door to the previous one. And then the villain will not be able to unauthorizedly penetrate inside. Take as a basis the system of prison (!!!) vestibules. Yes, it sounds intimidating, but what to do? And to think over a system of emergency exits in case of, for example, a fire inside the building ...
    1. +2
      27 September 2022 10: 05
      The school has 1200 students, well, employees / teachers. In 15-20 minutes, this crowd must be passed through the entrance.
      1. -1
        27 September 2022 11: 42
        the school has 1200 students, well, staff / teachers. In 15-20 minutes, this crowd must be passed through the entrance.
        It's better to spend an hour on the passage than to have 19 dead because of a crazed idiot. Yes, and you can enter a stepwise start of classes by class. And create a schedule of passage.
        By the way, already now there are changes in different classes at different times. Well, at least at the school where Small is studying.
        1. -2
          27 September 2022 21: 14
          Quote: Alexander X
          It's better to spend an hour on the passage than to have 19 dead because of a crazed idiot.

          Every child will spend an hour of his life every day for 11 years going to school?

          Quote: Alexander X
          Yes, and you can enter a stepwise start of classes by class. And create a schedule of passage.
          By the way, already now there are changes in different classes at different times. Well, at least at the school where Small is studying.

          How about a timetable for teachers?
  21. +1
    27 September 2022 09: 58
    earlier, with the so-called. this "scoop" would actually be "observed" in a mental hospital and at the place with a housing inspection, with mandatory adequate employment or study, etc. The consequence of the so-called. "ideologies of individual freedom". It’s easier, isn’t it? And you don’t have to answer for a freak. Remember Kerch, Kazan. Yes, under the USSR, there were "Chikatils", but this is a real demonic talent, and here it is simple, vicious, not particularly disguised at a relatively young age
  22. -2
    27 September 2022 10: 05
    And someone sold that bastard a weapon. And someone may even have done a mental health certificate for a small bribe. We are all in a state of complacency, we still cannot accept that the world has changed.
  23. +2
    27 September 2022 10: 10
    However, there have always been opportunities to acquire such weapons bypassing official channels, and Kazantsev probably took advantage of them.

    Wait a minute, what about all those IDIOTIC gun law changes? They seem to have been taken to prevent such cases. Or I'm wrong? Although it’s a no brainer that ALL of these amendments, except for hemorrhoids, will only bring additional income to the employees of the regulatory authorities for the LEGAL owners of weapons.
  24. 0
    27 September 2022 10: 26
    It’s useless to “strengthen” something in schools .. You won’t turn ALL schools in the country into strict regime zones .. And if a person with a weapon wants to, he will always go inside .. if he came to kill, he can’t be stopped just like that. The question is how did the psycho buy a bucket of combat cartridges and trunks? Although .. Izhevsk, arms factories .. probably there, in the markets, grannies, along with tomatoes, sell cartridges with stan = cans from under the counter .. I remember the story flashed in Tula, it seems that a man in Kamaz took out "empty containers" from the Kalashnikov factory .. What he got there to look, it’s not clear, but the boxes turned out to be not empty at all, but with machine guns .. It’s just that the driver was not the same - the “owner of the car” fell ill, and the shift worker did not know where the boxes should be “thrown away” .. Children are terribly sorry and parents.. They came to study.. Why are these pro..d..s going to kill children?! Are the children small?
  25. +2
    27 September 2022 10: 33
    "..solitaire..." , "...il available five telephones..." !!??
    Avec qui telephonait il?

    ".. .solitaire...", "... he had five phones..." !!?? Who did he call?
    1. 0
      27 September 2022 11: 24
      And I also have 7 mobile phones at home, three PCs and tablets, not to mention a bunch of SIM cards registered for me at different times. In any family today, if you dig in the mezzanine, there are deposits of communication technology and electronics.
  26. 0
    27 September 2022 11: 21
    If this person went to school with ordinary children, then it is quite possible that they rotted him, and since the psyche is not ice without it, then it is a completely natural result.
  27. 0
    27 September 2022 13: 56
    No matter what schizos, fascists and stupid people (and all schoolchildren) come to the entrance to the school, they must go through an isolated "gateway" with a careful viewing of its contents, and blocking it "if something happens." And now the guards at the entrance are the first bait for the killers.
  28. 0
    27 September 2022 17: 50
    But, in any case, the investigators are now thoroughly studying any information about the political views, lifestyle, activities of Artem Kazantsev.

    obviously contacts, connections, environment must be checked ...