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"Golden youth" against: who is trained at the journalism faculty of Moscow State University

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"Golden youth" against: who is trained at the journalism faculty of Moscow State University
Source: rsnx.journ.msu.ru



Fifth column on Mokhovaya


Chronology of events. On September 23, a third-year student of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University Stepan Antropov returned from a concert on Manezhnaya Square to his native university. The rally-concert, we recall, was dedicated to the start of referendums in the liberated territories of Ukraine. For clarification, Stepan returned not to the main building of the university on Sparrow Hills, but to the building of the Faculty of Journalism on Mokhovaya. He came for a reason - with the flag of the LPR and with a Z-t-shirt. Stepan decided to bring a bit of patriotism to the walls of the monastery of liberalism. As it turned out, recklessly.

Senior students, future reporters for the BBC and Radio Liberty, immediately reminded him of the unacceptability of the manifestation of their political views within the walls of the university. Sent away, to put it simply. This modest episode would have gone unnoticed, but the evil "golden youth" of Moscow State University gave the guy a real persecution on social networks. The range was wide - from mockery and ridicule to threats of physical violence. From the most "harmless":
“I regret writing this, but I can't stop writing, my hands are shaking, my teeth are chattering. Antropov, I wish you to understand everything and repent. And if not, I want you to be hurt, so that you suffer and suffer.

Or this:
“Stepan, when will you finally commit suicide? You have to go to the fields of Donbass to “fertilize” them.”


After they started talking about it almost on the central TV channels, the reaction of the faculty leadership followed. Verbatim reaction of the dean's office of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University:
“The faculty of journalism was saddened to learn about the unacceptable reaction in social networks to the patriotic position of a 3rd year student S. Antropov. Rudeness and intolerance towards the expression of patriotism is unacceptable for the faculty. At the moment, work is underway to clarify the details and circumstances of this situation, followed by a discussion at a meeting of the Academic Council and the Ethical Commission of the faculty.”

Pay attention to how loyal in the current situation the leadership reacted to the persecution of the patriot. There is not a single call to stop insulting Stepan and at least apologize. Since there was no one to rein in the pseudo-liberal gathering, the public stepped in. Patriotic channels began to distribute screenshots of correspondence, to leak the personal data of the students who had condemned Stepan, which threatened to take the conflict to a completely different level. It seems that anticipating this, the dean of the Faculty of Journalism Elena Vartanova later turned out to be more courageous:
“I am incredibly sorry that on social networks some students have so loudly expressed their misunderstanding and rejection of the patriotic position of third-year student Stepan Antropov. I think that such hostility among the students of our faculty is unacceptable. Public denial of support for our state, our flag is unacceptable. I and many colleagues are upset, upset that some students expressed their public attitude so rudely. I categorically do not accept the tone and vocabulary that I saw in social networks in connection with this. My colleagues say the same.

Aggression should not be present both at the university and in modern journalism. It is in the tradition of the university environment to jointly discuss issues of the internal life of the faculty, to listen and hear each other. We talk about our position, but we do not insult or humiliate others, we categorically do not use profanity. We find out what happened and what was violated, we check the authorship of publications. It is not yet clear whether there will be a need to translate the issue into a legal plane. This is exactly what the Ethical Commission of the Faculty of Journalism is doing. But I repeat: I condemn the “hate”, aggression and use of obscene language by our students, even on personal social media accounts.”

Is it in the tradition of the university to “jointly discuss issues of the internal life of the faculty, listen and hear each other”? Then, perhaps, Mrs. Vartanova will explain who consulted with whom and when, when an anti-war sheet was hung out of the window of the journalism department? At the very beginning of the special operation, remember. No one resented the manifestation of such political views, because they did not go against the general line of the faculty? Apparently, it is in the tradition of the faculty to scribble slanders against a teacher who offers to write an essay about the tragedy of Daria Dugina. And finally, and most importantly, there is not a word of support for Stepan Antropov in Dean Vartanova's presentation. Pay attention to the logic of calling the dean. She only condemns the negative to the patriotic position of the student, in no way approving or empathizing with her. This can be seen in the first and second statements of the dean's office of the faculty. As if Antropov is disabled, they say, it is a sin to laugh at the poor. It's not his fault, it's his nature that made him that way. What can I say? We do not have other deans of the first journalism faculty in Russia for you.


You can suffer for something like this in modern Russia. Source: Telegram

But история gradually goes beyond simple, albeit offensive, rhetoric. The second victim of the situation was a fourth-year journalism student Mark Luzhkovsky, who dared to stand up for Stepan. According to journalist and media expert Anton Korobkov-Zemlyansky, two thugs tried to force Mark to apologize on camera for supporting Antropov's Z-action. As a result, a student who did not bend over and, concurrently, an RT employee, was beaten.

Who is to blame and what to do?


MSU, alas, is not the only alma mater that educates an audience capable of proving anti-Russian views not only sitting on the couch, but also smashing the faces of those who disagree. There is no need to look far for examples - in the forefront are the Higher School of Economics and the Faculty of International Journalism of MGIMO. Here, guys like Stepan Antropov are an absolute minority. Sorry, but there are direct associations with Ukraine, where the most zealous nationalists are among the majority of local universities. Youth is the main striking force of Bandera in Ukraine. In our country, it turns out, the fifth column of Russophobe-liberals is hiding behind the walls of state universities? Elite universities, whose graduates will get the most prestigious jobs, and people like Antropov will shed blood for the "golden youth". Stepan, by the way, has already expressed his determination to go to the Donbass as a volunteer.

The bitterness with which the position of a patriot was met at the leading university in Russia (also in the world top 100) cannot simply be explained by convulsions of the “golden youth” of Moscow. Liberal views are frankly broadcast, and sometimes even imposed by the teaching staff. By definition, there is nothing seditious in love of freedom, but when it is thickly mixed with fear and hostility towards everything Russian, then it is time for teachers to look for another job. And it is better to stay away from the youth and closer to the traditional "European values". That is, to emigrate, comrade professors with associate professors! Moreover, for the last 10-15 years, the journalism departments of the country have seen a massive influx of journalists from the dissolved publishing houses. The venerable bosses of the pseudo-independent media with halos on their heads leaked into the specialized faculties. They etched it from one place, so now they have become sculptors of human souls. Where will they move next? To schools?

All students who are allergic to the flags of Russia-LDNR should be sent to Donbass on the first flight. For industrial practice. To the victims of the still ongoing shelling. Let them shoot documentaries, write a couple of dozen articles about how children died in the hands of their parents. Or they will interview Nastya Gritsenko from Yasinovataya, who lost her leg after another Nazi shell from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We've kept our young elites in the dark for too long, it's time to fix that.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 27 September 2022 06: 31
    +62
    Our youth must literally be saved from frenzied Russophobia and anti-Russian sentiment from the West.
    Like an infection, it imperceptibly settles in the souls of young people and then begins to spread throughout Russia in the form of extreme hatred for our society ... something needs to be done about this.
    I am very sorry that there was a spineless dean's office at Moscow State University, which did not immediately stop anti-Russian manifestations in this institution.
    If nothing is done about this evil, we will get another Maidan already in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.
    The Americans, through their embassies and NGOs with foreign agents, are very skillfully shaking our country.
    1. Frost
      Frost 27 September 2022 06: 42
      +22
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      If nothing is done about this evil, we will get another Maidan already in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.

      In Moscow, there are many "general people" among Russians (and not only Russians), as well as buggers, liberals and other perverts. Everything is rotten there.
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 27 September 2022 07: 04
        +26
        In Moscow, there are many "general people" among Russians (and not only Russians), as well as buggers, liberals and other perverts. Everything is rotten there.

        And in Ukraine there are even more pederasts. It's even more rotten. Right?
        1. nils
          nils 27 September 2022 08: 47
          +26
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          It's even more rotten. Right?

          And what do you want from a society whose morality and morality are perverted. Money money. Everything is for sale! For money today people love and hate, they sing and humiliate, for money they write and pass over in silence. Today the news is being made. A TV report requires directing talents, and an article requires a sharpened science fiction writer. The media create a virtual Russia that is not on the map. “A journalist distributes and comments only on the information that he is convinced of and the source of which he is well aware of,” reads the code of a Russian journalist. So what, the Constitution also has a lot of things written! For example, that power in the country belongs to the people. Isn't the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University the quintessence of this policy? And what do you want from them, if these people are formed and educated within the framework of the policy of a certain current power vertical? And it is possible to change something only on the basis of a different idea that determines life, a different morality and morality. And no one will punish these boys and girls now. Not those times!
          1. Kargapoltsev Alexander
            Kargapoltsev Alexander 27 September 2022 09: 03
            +20
            Quite so. These are the children of the elite, they know what their parents are talking about at home and they know the price of our power.
          2. lucul
            lucul 27 September 2022 15: 22
            +3
            And what do you want from a society whose morality and morality are perverted.

            And who contributed to this?
            How can one not recall the immortal - "Admission to Gnesinka":

            Until we change the situation in universities, we will not see the future of independent Russia.
            After all, as you know - if you want to defeat the enemy - raise his children.
      2. mitroha
        mitroha 27 September 2022 08: 01
        +37
        Quote: Hoarfrost
        In Moscow .... Everything is rotten there.

        Do not overdo it .... 25 million people live in the capital of the Russian Federation. And you claim that they are all rotten? Confirmation of "everything" will be. Or another "misunderstood me"? How are you different from the "golden youth" from the article?
        According to the article, I think that the solution is simple, the expulsion of students protesting against patriotism, with subsequent acceptance into the army.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. sgrabik
            sgrabik 27 September 2022 09: 16
            +25
            An apple does not fall far from an apple tree, you think their eminent parents have a different opinion from their children, I strongly doubt it.
            1. Kahlan amnell
              Kahlan amnell 27 September 2022 11: 17
              +7
              I didn't claim this. I said that the youth playfulness in judgment framed their eminent parents, but the fact that their mindsets are identical is true.
              It's just that parents (unlike children) keep quiet because the statement of their true attitudes and beliefs can hurt a career or business.
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 27 September 2022 11: 54
                +5
                Since my first comment was deleted ellipsis in a word, I will repeat it in a form acceptable to moderators:
                "A good soldier will not come out of rot. "Golden" rot they must be sent to where they cannot harm, or at least cause the least harm.
                However (I have no doubt that it will be so) they will try to hush up this incident as soon as possible - for many eminent names will sound.
                Young people, due to inexperience, are still unable to calculate the far-reaching consequences of their emotional statements in social networks. So eminent parents will explain to them - what kind of trouble their little children have incited.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 27 September 2022 20: 55
                  +4
                  Quote: Kahlan Amnell
                  So eminent parents will explain to them - what kind of trouble their little children have incited.

                  And in what?
            2. man
              man 27 September 2022 13: 32
              +4
              An apple does not fall far from an apple tree, you think their eminent parents have a different opinion from their children, I strongly doubt it.
              What problems, let's also send parents to the army
              1. sgrabik
                sgrabik 27 September 2022 15: 16
                +7
                There will be absolutely no benefit from the liberals in the Army, now it is much better to remove them from their posts and to minimize the possibility of their influence on the political and economic processes in our country, this is the most correct and necessary decision in this situation, such people should not be allowed to remain in leadership countries and occupied high-ranking responsible positions in any echelons of power.
              2. begemot20091
                begemot20091 27 September 2022 15: 47
                +3
                Oh don't write like that. And then they get banned. Here moderators actively support liberals and Ukrainian bots. Look how many Ukrainians have divorced on the site - they are scribbling tirelessly. And zhurfakovtsev - dig trenches. Let them feel the charm of the rough handle of a shovel. Here you will not be able to change the left hand to the right.
                1. man
                  man 27 September 2022 16: 50
                  0
                  Oh don't write like that. And then they get banned. Here moderators actively support liberals and Ukrainian bots.
                  Outrageous!
                  At first I wanted to send moderators to the army too, but then changed my mind. Enough of these snotty parasites and their ancestors. Also moderators ... the army may not withstand
            3. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 27 September 2022 16: 29
              +1
              Quote: sgrabik
              I strongly doubt it.

              In vain. Now it is not a rare occurrence when children and parents quarrel like a bulk against "statists".
        2. Kargapoltsev Alexander
          Kargapoltsev Alexander 27 September 2022 09: 10
          +2
          Maskwa has always been rotten. A court city with a mass of nishtyakov and direct access to the West, both in Soviet times and now. Not stupid province of tea . There was always a bunch of quirky people, various dodgers and opportunists. They saw the authorities in person, the authorities fed them, well, they, in turn, were always for the sake of spitting into her generous hand.
        3. 1939_1940
          1939_1940 27 September 2022 09: 55
          +4
          Why do you want to send all the dissatisfied, who are trying to leave, who go out to rallies, to the Army? Do you feel sorry for the Army? Do you feel sorry for the officers who will work with such a contingent? Do you feel sorry for their future colleagues, with whom they will have to go on the attack? And yet, one such smart one from Moscow will easily decompose the unit, if things go like this, they will also arrange the election of officers for you .. Doesn't it remind you of anything?
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 27 September 2022 12: 27
            +3
            Are you joking?
            Quote: 1939_1940
            And yet, one such smart one from Moscow will easily decompose the unit, if things go like this, they will also arrange the election of officers for you .. Doesn't it remind you of anything?

            Fucking then officers in part. And the price is worthless to them, since one spirit in their unit will decompose
          2. style1981
            style1981 28 September 2022 12: 29
            +3
            There are much more decent people in Moscow than any liberoid scum. This can be seen even in the rallies. How many people come out in support of the country and how many are against it. No need to pour mud on people at the registration. Do you think we don't give a fuck about these MSU and other garbage? Believe me, if there was an opportunity, they would shoot all this filth personally.
        4. Koronik
          Koronik 27 September 2022 10: 45
          +2
          Well, don’t go too far, not 25 ml of people, but only 12.5 ml. Yes, and what are the problems for mobilizing 300 thousand or will they walk through the outskirts again?
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 27 September 2022 12: 24
            +2
            This is according to Rosstat, but Sobyanin's opinion:
            Mayor of Moscow Sergei Sobyanin considers Moscow and part of the region to be the Moscow agglomeration. In addition, the mayor says that in addition to 25 million from the capital and the region, about 15 million more visitors are "drawn" into the life of the city.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 September 2022 13: 29
              +1
              So any agglomeration includes other cities and towns, along with the inhabitants of the main city. Not all residents of the Moscow agglomeration are Muscovites, residents of Moscow proper. Some authors attribute Tula to the outskirts of the Moscow agglomeration. But do we really consider Tulyaks to be Muscovites? Although, of course, part of the city of Moscow (namely, the city, not the agglomeration) is outside the official boundaries of Moscow. Khimki. for example, they belong to the Moscow region, but in fact they are not only part of the Moscow agglomeration (this is absolutely true), but part of Moscow as such, within its actual borders.
              1. mitroha
                mitroha 27 September 2022 15: 05
                0
                I will not argue, but it became much easier. So this person called "rotten" not 25 million, but only 12,5 million. A completely different calico winked
              2. RGB
                RGB 27 September 2022 15: 56
                +2
                I will say more, the border of Moscow borders on the Kaluga region. Almost the entire south-west along the old Varshavka and the Kyiv highway.
        5. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 27 September 2022 10: 49
          -5
          expulsion of students protesting against patriotism, followed by admission to the army.

          And what to do with those, about 250000 people who were afraid of partial mobilization and rushed across the cordon, even the government proposes to close the border, they are on chains and in a penal battalion, or to build a Gulag for them, under article 58 and others, so they are bad soldiers, no motivation and the concept of the Motherland.
          1. vik669
            vik669 27 September 2022 15: 18
            +4
            So the taiga has not been weeded since 1953 - this is what follows ... hand-to-hand start weeding for soldering - working outdoors for 12 hours without days off is so useful
        6. stankow
          stankow 27 September 2022 11: 55
          +3
          It was also not enough to give them a machine gun in their hands. To their construction battalion!
          1. Sergey M. Karasev
            Sergey M. Karasev 27 September 2022 15: 04
            +2
            Quote: stankow
            It was also not enough to give them a machine gun in their hands. To their construction battalion!

            It would be better to go straight to diesel. But that won't work. If only because it is easier to see Christ in the flesh than this bloat in the army.
        7. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 27 September 2022 12: 17
          +6
          Alex. Do you think it's so easy to dismiss them? The Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University is a thieves' place. All of them are children of famous parents. It is almost impossible for a simple boy or girl to get there. So in which case they will otmazat.
          1. -Paul-
            -Paul- 28 September 2022 13: 14
            0
            There's just no command. There will be a team "face" and the teaching staff will be cleaned, and student and even "thieves" parents. But there is no team, that's a shame.
        8. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 September 2022 13: 23
          +1
          Still, you overestimated the number of Muscovites. 12,6 million people officially live in Moscow on a permanent basis. About 8 million in the region.
        9. your1970
          your1970 27 September 2022 19: 26
          +3
          Quote: Mitroha
          students, with subsequent acceptance into the ranks of the army.

          Nizzyayayaya ... they didn’t serve and they don’t have VUS ...
        10. Il'nur
          Il'nur 27 September 2022 19: 29
          +3
          expulsion of students protesting against patriotism

          This is the right proposal, otherwise in "freedoms" and rights in abundance, it seems to me, but there are few duties ...
          I would also suggest looking at who is teaching them, otherwise you look at some of the "trainers", then he is an obvious "enemy of the people" who are ready to surrender to the enemy tomorrow, as some of their representatives said that "it was necessary to surrender to Hitler, they would drink Bavarian beer "and" hand over St. Petersburg "...
        11. Alf
          Alf 27 September 2022 20: 54
          +4
          Quote: Mitroha
          I think that the solution is simple, the expulsion of students protesting against patriotism, with subsequent acceptance into the army.

          Something tells me that after such a decision, very few students will remain at Moscow State University ...
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 27 September 2022 21: 42
            +1
            Quote: Alf
            Something tells me that after such a decision, very few students will remain at Moscow State University ...

            But for them and the fate of the university will not have to worry. They will work not in quantity, but in quality fellow
            1. Alf
              Alf 27 September 2022 21: 51
              +2
              Quote: Mitroha
              They will work not in quantity,

              And how will the teachers be fed? Will the fee increase?
          2. -Paul-
            -Paul- 28 September 2022 13: 15
            +1
            Better less is better (c)

            Not entirely true, most likely quoted, but the meaning, I hope, is clear.
        12. alex-cn
          alex-cn 28 September 2022 15: 36
          0
          a student and, concurrently, an employee of RT, was beaten.
          when I was a student (not a journalism faculty), fighters were simply expelled for a fight at the faculty ... And not for convictions, but for, let's say, crime.
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 27 September 2022 09: 59
        +8
        Quote: Hoarfrost
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        If nothing is done about this evil, we will get another Maidan already in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.

        In Moscow, there are many "general people" among Russians (and not only Russians), as well as buggers, liberals and other perverts. Everything is rotten there.

        Yes, what are you saying? And who made it like that? Out of ten people in Moscow, nine will turn out to be newcomers who, with their impudence and desire to gain a foothold, go over their heads and accept any ideology, by the way, even the mayor has been appointed a visitor. Moscow has long lost its originality, even radio and TV announcers often speak illiterately and use dialects of other regions. So, before throwing mud at Moscow, ask yourself the question that you, roughly speaking, are throwing mud at the entire Russian Federation.
      4. Alexey Lantukh
        Alexey Lantukh 27 September 2022 13: 17
        +3
        To the court, 30 days of forced labor, and to public works in the Donbass.
      5. valentine light
        valentine light 27 September 2022 15: 23
        +1
        Don't blame "Moscow" for the problems of modern globalization.
        There are 15 military and federal enterprises in Moscow, and the guys on the outskirts are not liberal at all.


        And there are more visiting majors than Muscovites
    2. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 27 September 2022 06: 46
      +30
      Nits are growing, the higher the status of the university, the larger they are. We must urgently crush them before they grow. Everyone!
      1. Asad
        Asad 27 September 2022 06: 49
        +8
        On the front line by war correspondents, in their specialty, and to issue a uniform like that of Wagner, they are not taken prisoner.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 27 September 2022 07: 07
          +20
          Quote: ASAD
          At the forefront of war correspondents, by specialty

          Here they are writing! No! To begin with, to work on the rubble, to help in hospitals, to talk with the soldiers, and then let them write "essays" for credit. And real war correspondents will put up grades.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 27 September 2022 10: 32
            +2
            And while working in a hospital, they will not be able to write: what is all this for, etc.?
            only the advanced will put everything in its place
        2. saigon
          saigon 27 September 2022 07: 21
          +11
          Why reporters?
          In the infantry to the mother is not good only in the infantry and without options.
          There, a reassessment of views will come quickly.
          1. tkoh
            tkoh 27 September 2022 11: 50
            +1
            One gets the feeling that the patriotic public believes that being sent to the front is such a punishment ....
            1. valentine light
              valentine light 27 September 2022 15: 25
              +4
              For them, this is a punishment, and in life the last chance to become people
          2. Essex62
            Essex62 28 September 2022 01: 08
            0
            Quote: saigon
            Why reporters?
            In the infantry to the mother is not good only in the infantry and without options.
            There, a reassessment of views will come quickly.

            It will come. A queue in the back of colleagues and a run towards the enemy with raised hands. Do not consider them naive, lost sheep. These are adults and these are their beliefs. Moscow State University, Higher School of Economics and the like are a hotbed of enemies of Russia, including teachers, they inspire them a lot. The enemies of our Russia, they have their own and they see it in a completely different way.
        3. sgrabik
          sgrabik 27 September 2022 09: 20
          +8
          While our real men, patriots of their Motherland, are fighting for us, for the Fatherland, and at the same time, behind their backs, they allow themselves to sling mud at our country, such scum, ready to sell their souls to the devil for money, such vile nits should not be on the front line , and for the construction of the national economy, to develop our remote territories, mother Russia is great, in Moscow and St. needs.
    3. Quote Lavrov
      Quote Lavrov 27 September 2022 06: 51
      +32
      And what about the dean's office? Almost formed 18-year-old boys and girls come to study. With existing convictions. Formed by the family, the school curriculum, our films about the beautiful, rich life of some and the drunken, ferocious "gobney" of others.
      Young people come, having seen enough scenes of the chic life of their peers with villas and expensive cars on social networks, seeing how beautiful appeals remain only words, and even worse - understanding that society is divided into two non-intersecting universes. Seeing that a blogger is cool, and a locksmith is the lot of losers.
      Therefore, the dean's office receives a "finished product" created by the realities of our life.
      And before making claims against young people, one must realize that the main questions must be asked to ourselves, to our society - is everything okay with us, since before the age of 18 we could not instill in a teenager the right values ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbnot just in words, but worst of all - that he has a dissonance between the official direction of ideology (which consists of contradictory and torn pieces) and real life.
      1. Goto
        Goto 27 September 2022 07: 30
        +10
        I agree that if you say one thing from the screen, and when you go out into the street you see something else, then of course this is wrong. Therefore, instead of the official media, TG channels are gaining more and more popularity in our country.
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 27 September 2022 07: 33
        +10
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        And before making claims against young people, one must realize that the main questions must be asked to ourselves, to our society - is everything okay with us, since before the age of 18 we could not instill in a teenager the right values ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbnot just in words, but worst of all - that he has a dissonance between the official direction of ideology (which consists of contradictory and torn pieces) and real life

        good good good Very true! Especially the last line. Patriotism is brought up by example and real deeds. Empty propaganda will only evoke nihilism in the youth. Crimea caused an unprecedented explosion of patriotism. But then most of the state programs remained "concepts" and "concepts". For young minds, the word Motherland is abstract. But if the Russian Federation had its own sane "LENOVO" - this would have an effect on the views. The Russian Federation, after all, is not the DPRK, it needs deeds, victories.
        1. frog
          frog 27 September 2022 09: 10
          +8
          Oddly enough .... With all the logic of both your words and the above-mentioned colleague - pluses, sorry, "there are crumbs." And where they demand "blood and gore" in various forms, they run very little. At the same time, you also have no cons. Here is a funny picture...
          As for your remark .... Actually, we all went through this. There was the Komsomol, there was propaganda and everything else. Eeeee...... Eeeee, how did all this affect the youth? In general, no way. There, rather, family education was, chi notorious environment. But not official. CHSH, for the same reason - all declarations thereof remained declarations, life outside the window developed according to its own, quite objective laws. As a result, the entire Komsomol degenerated into such a career brawl. Let's not talk about the details))) When everything was a little .... podupala, many of these promising personnel were in .... beneficiaries. Much more successful than the "foremen of perestroika" themselves. Still, they taught well then, but not that))))
          In more recent times, when everything.....stabilized and everything.... "changes in ownership" became....sanctioned wink , the youth was again paid attention. From only who remembers all these "ours", "wandering together" and other, sorry, garbage, of this kind. And if you touch on the issue closer, then everything is generally funny there. And the way it all happened, and where then all these, sorry, the leaders have gone .... And again they forgot, but then .... events happened. And the whole hurdy-gurdy rushed again. Because the hurdy-gurdy plays only the roller that is set. And there is no other, and there cannot be, ChSH.
          As for the young people themselves, they are only to blame for their existence. At all times. She is the way she was raised. Because it is always raised, the only difference is how. Previously, a cavalier at dances without a "parachute" or at least a "teddy bear" had little chance of shining. Then it became a little for him to shine without jeans. What happened then - we all know))) But the youth themselves are not to blame for this, because the garden must be looked after. Weed, water, fertilize, mulch and Allah knows how many more buzzwords from agriculture. And if all this time you hold a meeting in the garden or don’t do any foie at all, what grows will grow. Most likely, not carrots and not strawberries. But neither carrots nor strawberries are to blame, generally speaking. When at school, college / techie, university they tell you one thing, and when you leave them, you see something else ... the result is known. Especially, given that very youthful maximalism and inability (relative) to hide emotions. Let's remember what was on TV before the tyrnet era .... About the current ... network times, I just keep quiet. Why be surprised here? And then various ..... entities crawl out and start yelling garbage and demanding blood. And they won't give up theirs. So it was and so it will be. The vast majority of heroes are not from the tribune warriors.

          Commissar Krivukhin would have said better
          Yes, in the last mess, he went missing,
          Maybe they killed and betrayed the earth,
          He was strong at rallies, but not strong in the saddle.


          Moreover, heroes appear only after the boobies, as the beloved NS used to say. "There is no dolboledism, there is no heroism either. There is just work."
          And as long as the officialdom will carry one thing, and the real will show another, it will be so.
          1. kin
            kin 27 September 2022 10: 01
            +2
            Everything you said is correct. Young people protest against everything that this government does. And it’s not Biden’s fault, but those who have been saying one thing for decades and doing another, who write and rewrite laws for themselves, one can endlessly enumerate the privileges of the ruling class, their behavior and actions cause protest among young people. Everything according to Lenin, while he has not yet been banned.
            I watched how Sobchak had a conversation with a young patriot, he said so much patriotic things, but he didn’t go there himself and doesn’t show a desire to go on his own, like 99% of the Uryaks.
            1. frog
              frog 7 October 2022 13: 15
              0
              It depends on what kind of youth. The participants of the march on heliks, most likely, are not so against it. Or that goat, in non-rubber, which was deprived of rights shish knows how many times .....
          2. samarin1969
            samarin1969 27 September 2022 10: 04
            +1
            Quote: frog
            But the youth themselves are not to blame for this, because the garden must be looked after. Weed, water, fertilize, mulch and Allah knows how many more buzzwords from agriculture.


            hi As a teacher, this idea is very close to me. "Weeding" is not AT ALL. "Just from this rot and rushing.
            The VLKSM and the pioneers, indeed, turned into a dummy back in the 70s. It is tragic that stupid political strategists are now literally reanimating this corpse: with ties, drums, slogans mixed with prayers and white cranes. .... This is not patriotism. This is an infectious vaccine against patriotism.
            1. frog
              frog 27 September 2022 10: 16
              -3
              This is what we are talking about. "Organchik", I don't remember what class. But no one knew the country better than Michal Yevgrafych. And it is still relevant today.
              1. Alexander Ra
                Alexander Ra 27 September 2022 18: 56
                +1
                V.V. Rozanov: - "... yes," Russian progress "failed already in Shchedrin and Nekrasov ..."
                1. frog
                  frog 27 September 2022 19: 03
                  0
                  SchA and you throw minuses. They don't like classics. wink
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 28 September 2022 01: 20
                    +1
                    The minusers, it seems, did not understand what they were talking about. Honestly, I was surprised that someone put them in. Or did they understand?
                    1. frog
                      frog 28 September 2022 12: 58
                      +1
                      You don't need to understand anything to downvote)) In order to shout "Hurrah!" - too. And the requirement of a boot and uniformity is traditional lol
    4. Cheshire
      Cheshire 27 September 2022 06: 58
      +16
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I am very sorry that there was a spineless dean's office at Moscow State University, which did not immediately stop anti-Russian manifestations in this institution.

      It all started with grants. Get a lot of grants = get a lot of money, have influence on the faculty and management of the university. And through them goes the decomposition of the rest of the teachers. How to be here without 37 years - I'll never know. hi
      1. frog
        frog 27 September 2022 09: 16
        +1
        I'm sorry, you are the 1937th (apparently, the analogy of the "big conveyor") to whom do you want to apply?
        To the "grant-eaters"? Or to those who allowed these grants? So this is the government. Or to the one who cut funding for universities? It is. Translating it into the so-called. "per capita financing". So this is it again, in the same aunt Vika and the authors are indicated, it is not secret there. And who are you going to .... conveyorize?
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 27 September 2022 09: 29
          +4
          Frog, 1937 is the apogee of the top cleansing. Do you want to quarrel hunting, asking tricky questions and leading to a wiki? I don't. I put it clearly, without 1937 there would be no 1945.
          1. frog
            frog 27 September 2022 09: 41
            -1
            That is, we have problems with "reading". I understand the cost of education...
            I'll try again, it's business as usual wink
            Who created all this? Universities themselves, in particular, in non-rubber? Near these, with clean, cold, hot and other things? Do you believe in fairy tales?
            If so, then who is stopping you from doing it again? And if not the universities themselves, then to whom do you want to present them? To the government? I'm not asking "tricky questions", "tricky questions", if sho, you will be asked a spy, and not from the UK)))
            I'm just asking, and it seems logical to me - who and what are you going to.....criticize? Rokossovsky, he was such an uncle, also in those years .... mad. And the fact that the expense is not written off is not his merit. A defect of the staff. Tighten one artist figs for another half a year - they might not have known about their uncle.
            And how many others are a little less fortunate? At the same time, such a sickly list of comrades, in some way involved in 1941, did not suffer. Shaw, in 1937 there was little rowing?
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 September 2022 13: 32
              +3
              Apogee was probably in 1938. Yes, such that Stalin himself realized that he had gone too far and it was time to stop the flywheel. Many of the repressed were amnestied, some were pardoned on an individual basis. There were also cases of complete rehabilitation. However, those who had already been shot without proper reason were not rehabilitated. With a few exceptions relating to ordinary citizens. The problem was that many really deserved punishment, but still not in the form of execution.
              1. frog
                frog 27 September 2022 14: 08
                -1
                Well, 1937 is such a nameplate, a label, one might say, I know something about that time)). And judging by the reaction of citizens (local, of course)) - they consider Comrade Stalin ... not very smart feel But the minuses stick to me, and not to Joseph Vissarionovich lol
            2. Cheshire
              Cheshire 27 September 2022 13: 47
              +2
              That is, we have problems with "reading". I understand the cost of education...
              I'll try to repeat myself, it's a common thing wink
              Who created all this? Universities themselves, in particular, in non-rubber? Near these, with clean, cold, hot and other things? Do you believe in fairy tales?
              If so, then who is stopping you from doing it again? And if not the universities themselves, then to whom do you want to present them? To the government? I'm not asking "tricky questions", "tricky questions", if sho, you will be asked a spy, and not from the UK)))
              I'm just asking, and it seems logical to me - who and what are you going to.....criticize? Rokossovsky, he was such an uncle, also in those years .... mad. And the fact that the expense is not written off is not his merit. A defect of the staff. Tighten one artist figs for another half a year - they might not have known about their uncle.
              And how many others are a little less fortunate? At the same time, such a sickly list of comrades, in some way involved in 1941, did not suffer. Shaw, in 1937 there was little rowing?
              Formulate a question, not a problem. Clear, concise and without equivocation.
              1. frog
                frog 27 September 2022 14: 13
                -2
                About how ... Monsieur military?
                Clear, concise and without equivocation. .

                so, you know, life is not tired. Question.... Well, for example, have you already stopped drinking cognac in the morning? Well no
                But in essence .... Cleansing, as soon as it was discussed, should go on continuously and logically, and not ... sociable. If you estimate how many normal people died on the conveyor there together with "loyal and dedicated Leninists" - then the big question is about the connection between 1937 and 1945, rather the connection between 1937 and 1941 ..... But you are a fan of simple words and simple decisions, is not it?
                1. Cheshire
                  Cheshire 27 September 2022 19: 08
                  0
                  Monsieur is a builder with a habit of clear communication. You seem to have no one to talk to. I won't help you with this. Since there is no question, goodbye.
    5. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 27 September 2022 06: 59
      +6
      It is possible that the dean's office, to the fullest, works out Western salaries ...
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 27 September 2022 11: 57
        +1
        For this, there are special services that must constantly supervise all areas, before the KGB regularly managed to do its job in all areas, and the FSB apparently does not care about this, democracy, however.
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 September 2022 07: 00
      +14
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      If nothing is done about this evil, we will get another Maidan already in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.

      Isn't it time for the country's leadership to close these Russophobic "sharashki", the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University and the Higher School of Economics. It is in Moscow that Russophobia and hatred for everything Russian are bred.
      1. kin
        kin 27 September 2022 10: 08
        -5
        There is no need to close them, rename them to the Centers of the United Russia party, put its representatives there, and you will see that in a couple of years there will be a complete ... oops.
      2. tkoh
        tkoh 27 September 2022 11: 54
        0
        Yes, it is better to close all universities and institutes in general. And leave three classes of the school. And then they grab all sorts of liberoid views and don’t let ordinary people live
        1. vik669
          vik669 27 September 2022 15: 23
          -1
          Everything and everyone should not be closed, but hotbeds of rot and offices for issuing diplomas about VO have divorced more than ...!
      3. Beregovic_1
        Beregovic_1 27 September 2022 21: 23
        0
        Do not close, but stop funding the Faculty of Journalism. Let them pay 100% for tuition.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 September 2022 09: 21
          0
          Quote: Beregovyhok_1
          Do not close, but stop funding the Faculty of Journalism.

          The HSE used to be an economic college, it is better to return the status of a technical school, and let it work. We also need an accountant.
    7. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 27 September 2022 09: 54
      +2
      Our youth must literally be saved from frenzied Russophobia and anti-Russian sentiment from the West.
      Like an infection, it imperceptibly settles in the souls of young people and then begins to spread throughout Russia in the form of extreme hatred for our society ... something needs to be done about this.
      I am very sorry that there was a spineless dean's office at Moscow State University, which did not immediately stop anti-Russian manifestations in this institution.
      I don't understand why you are surprised? For more than 30 years, "the party and the government" have instilled in all citizens of the country admiration for everything Western, their own example, and intolerance of everything Russian. What, should have been a different result? And now you will start stigmatizing the youth for imbibing what they taught her? That she will inflame with patriotism ?! For all 30 years they have been taught to sell the country for dollars and euros and are proud of it. I am surprised that there are still students like Stepan Antropov. Apparently his parents were involved in education. Thank them.
    8. Geo73
      Geo73 27 September 2022 10: 23
      +1
      There is nothing to talk about here: the prosecutor's office should initiate criminal cases on the elements of crimes - a threat to kill, inciting hatred and discord, insult, and, according to the new compositions, punish for mockery of one's own.

      Parents of children should be removed from administrative leadership positions until the trial, etc. With. regarding university administration
    9. Maks winter
      Maks winter 27 September 2022 10: 27
      -1
      fully agree with you. You don't have to go far, just go to any public ...
    10. tank NATO
      tank NATO 27 September 2022 10: 36
      0
      He is not spineless, he is ideological and dependent. Ideological to the West and dependent on Western real estate and resorts. All these SVO and confrontations do not concern them. They are above it. But nothing, we will teach them to love the Motherland. And respect too!
    11. Taimen
      Taimen 27 September 2022 10: 58
      +1
      Stop blaming everything on external influence. scale. Why be surprised? The Great Pilot himself is a liberal. He does not give up his own.
    12. white260
      white260 27 September 2022 11: 03
      +3
      A little unceremoniously so I interfere in discussions .. sorry if that ..
      Here, at the last discussion in the material "The whole world is in ruins .." one gentleman with the avatar of a rat sternly read me a notation that they say we have young people who at least do not lie. Trying to live for himself and his family..
      But judging by the general mood - against the operation, mobilization and the oligarchs. most likely against our country and apparently for some other country. And then life itself .. so to speak, let life teach, let life punish .. Show ..
      And after all, non-poor young people, and probably from difficult families, live in one of the best cities in the world (even before the special operation, Western assessments of Moscow were a comfortable metropolis for life) .. and you go. MGU MGIMO and others there are the same personnel for the leadership, they will stand up for the management of the state in 10-15-20 years. At the helm .. and earlier maybe.
      I argued there, saying that they would sell for a conditional iPhone .. and they are ready for free. Ideological. Western agents of influence are growing, for the state people's money. In universities built by the state ..
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    14. BSD Fan
      BSD Fan 27 September 2022 12: 47
      +1
      It is necessary to save the children, there are formed personalities! Only destroy them / send them to hell out of the country, check their parents!
    15. Rostislav
      Rostislav 27 September 2022 12: 48
      +1
      Our youth must literally be saved from frenzied Russophobia and anti-Russian sentiment from the West.

      How? Who to save? Readers of VO or the authorities that determine the personnel of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University, the rector's office of the Higher School of Economics, the board of Gazprom, which decides on the financing of Dozhd, the Ministry of Culture, which finances vulgarity.
      "...youth must be saved..." - the voice of one crying in the wilderness.
    16. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 27 September 2022 12: 51
      -1
      I will write sedition in the opinion of many, but what can you do? I read the comments and it all comes down to one thing - burn it out with a red-hot iron. We have no ideology at all from the word no. What can it be built on now.? With all due respect to the memory of the Second World War, for today's children this is a very abstract concept. Remember yourself and a pioneer and a Komsomol member and a communist, Lenin's lessons, etc., etc. So what.? The USSR collapsed overnight Why.? And nobody canceled Marx’s formula that life determines consciousness Alas, but first you need to create economic prerequisites, and then form an ideology no But there is a planned indexation of housing and communal services in December by 9% Something like this
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 27 September 2022 15: 46
        -1
        What ridiculous nonsense, you don’t need to turn everything upside down, if the Bolsheviks didn’t have an ideology, then there would be no victory in the Great Patriotic War, no first satellite, no first cosmonaut in the world, we don’t need to rub this primitive TsIPSOshny here rave.
        1. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 27 September 2022 16: 24
          -1
          The first satellite, the first cosmonaut, More.?
    17. Romanovski
      Romanovski 27 September 2022 13: 11
      +1
      And many universities in the Russian Federation and the CIS, since the time of the late USSR, have turned from temples of science into offices for the dissemination and training of corruption, nihilism and PRO-WEST consumer outlook on life ... Many graduates of such unfortunate universities at the exit are already ready-made pros in corruption. ..To many students - woe, the teachers hinted at how you can get a good grade in the test book ... And at the end - we have what we have ....
    18. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 27 September 2022 14: 13
      +3
      Here the security forces broke into the apartment of the "poet" of the minor, Artyom Kamardin, who on the 25th squealed slogans against mobilization under the monument to Mayakovsky on Triumfalnaya Square.
      Finished the performance, too, quite triumphantly.
      A couplet: "Glory to Kievan Rus, Novorossiya - suck!"
      And today they took a dove. Along with his whole gop company.
      And already in the morning, the liberal and xoxlyatsky blogosphere is inundated with reports that Artyom was raped in the dungeons ... with dumbbells ...
      Did they run out of bottles?
      Or are the brains of the liberals completely sour? ..
      How is this possible? Technically...

      If they run out of dumbbells... Then I can share mine to re-educate Artyom... wink
      1. would
        would 27 September 2022 18: 18
        +1
        Finished the performance, too, quite triumphantly.
        A couplet: "Glory to Kievan Rus, Novorossiya - suck!"


        By the way, this is plagiarism, this couplet was shouted out at the "Russian Marches".
    19. Blue fox
      Blue fox 27 September 2022 17: 05
      -1
      Our youth must literally be saved from frenzied Russophobia and anti-Russian sentiment from the West.

      And immediately, because when our majority of the same young veterans return home with a victory, it will be necessary to save them from them.
    20. Il'nur
      Il'nur 27 September 2022 19: 04
      -1
      that there was a spineless dean's office at Moscow State University

      Which itself cultivated "anti-Russian manifestations in this institution", so that the fish rots from the head, what a dean, such students ...
      They gave too much "Take as much freedom as you can", a lot of liberals divorced and liberal freedom ...
    21. vlad106
      vlad106 3 October 2022 21: 54
      -1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Our youth must literally be saved from frenzied Russophobia and anti-Russian sentiment from the West.
      Like an infection, it imperceptibly settles in the souls of young people and then begins to spread throughout Russia in the form of extreme hatred for our society ... something needs to be done about this.
      I am very sorry that there was a spineless dean's office at Moscow State University, which did not immediately stop anti-Russian manifestations in this institution.
      If nothing is done about this evil, we will get another Maidan already in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.
      The Americans, through their embassies and NGOs with foreign agents, are very skillfully shaking our country.


      Western agents are swarming in both capitals.
      Starting at the top level and going down...
      Including in the leadership of universities
  2. user
    user 27 September 2022 06: 37
    +38
    In our country, it turns out, the fifth column of Russophobe-liberals is hiding behind the walls of state universities?


    This problem is very easy to fix.
    All students of state universities after the 2nd year are called up for active military service (without any exceptions, except for medical ones from medical institutions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation). You are studying at a state university, be so kind as to repay your debt to the Motherland, and at the same time tighten up your patriotism. Not without reason in the USSR, the Universities standing guard over the Motherland were admitted only after active military service, and such situations never arose there.
    Well, if you do not want to serve, i.e. if you do not support state policy, please, at your own expense, go to non-state higher educational institutions, without the right to work in state institutions and in institutions with state participation.
    Why prepare a fifth column at public expense?
    Make your choice.

    At the same time, renegotiate an agreement with the teaching staff, in which to determine the curricula and state standards of a state university, for violation of this agreement, dismissal for discrediting the policy of an educational institution without the right to work in state educational institutions. If you want to work here, look for a job according to your vocation. If someone tried to behave in a similar way in England or the USA, tomorrow he would be on the street.
    If we want to raise literate young people who study at our state expense, but do not think about how to get settled abroad, we cannot do without such measures.
    1. saigon
      saigon 27 September 2022 07: 25
      +18
      For the time of SVO, in principle, students of non-technical, agricultural and medical and pedagogical universities can be called upon.
      The logic is simple, the country needs doctors, teachers, engineers with agronomists in a difficult period, but you can do without lawyers and journalists.
      1. Kurva18
        Kurva18 27 September 2022 08: 04
        +4
        Approximately what you wrote, we already went through in about 87-89. When students of 1-2 courses were called. And nothing, the guys served not badly.
        1. vfwfr
          vfwfr 27 September 2022 10: 50
          0
          Question. What is the percentage of journalism M and F? to send to the army
    2. frog
      frog 27 September 2022 09: 25
      -6
      God....... How long??
      All students of state universities after the 2nd year are called up for active military service (without any exceptions, except for medical ones from medical institutions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation).

      It was. In Soviet Union. Closer to the curtain. We know how it ended. Idiocy, as it is.
      Not without reason in the USSR, the Universities standing guard over the Motherland were admitted only after active military service, and such situations never arose there.

      Do you throw a small list of only those about whom it is already possible?)) There are generals at the top, if so. You can carry a blizzard in winter, before that it’s too early.
      At the same time, renegotiate an agreement with the teaching staff, in which to determine the curricula and state standards of a state university, for violation of this agreement, dismissal for discrediting the policy of an educational institution without the right to work in state educational institutions. If you want to work here, look for a job according to your vocation. If someone tried to behave in a similar way in England or the USA, tomorrow he would be on the street.

      Ayy .... Wake up already .... All standards have long been prescribed, all universities are attested by the ministry, generally speaking, that is, by the government. Have you decided to engage in anti-government activities here?))
      As for a "similar image" in the states or somewhere else - they would first dig at least half a bayonet.
      For the "especially gifted and lazy" - there is such a film, "The Ivory Tower", EMNIP. Filmed by them about them. But in Russian translation. By an oversight.
      If we want to raise literate young people who study at our state expense, but do not think about how to get settled abroad, we cannot do without such measures.

      The "governing senate" said quite clearly that neither the school nor the university educates anyone. They provide "educational services". Are you against the "vertical of power" ???))
      1. user
        user 2 October 2022 09: 33
        0
        Ayy .... Wake up already .... All standards have long been prescribed, all universities are attested by the ministry, generally speaking, that is, by the government.


        All these standards that you are trying to talk about here were written and on the eve of the transition to the Bologna education system they were rewritten 4 times in my opinion (if my memory serves me right) adjusting it to European and other standards. And this fundamentally does not coincide with the interests of Russia in the matter of educating the citizens of their country (and in the above standards, the emphasis is on learning from us, and then dumping them over the BUGOR). There, even the History of the Fatherland was studied in all universities according to different textbooks (many were not coordinated with the ministries of education). And today our country has left this system, which means that the standards need to be corrected. Especially in technical universities there, in Russian literature and history, illiteracy and knowledge of the history of their country simply rolls over, and as technical specialists they are not poorly trained. If you remember before, even techies in History passed state exams.
        As for the conscription in the USSR, if I am not mistaken, it was in 1983 and beyond, and there was nothing bad, unlike your statement. Just returning from there, the students simply got up to walk on the ground, and not soar in the clouds.
        1. frog
          frog 2 October 2022 09: 56
          -1
          All these standards that you are trying to talk about here were written and on the eve of the transition to the Bologna education system they were rewritten 4 times in my opinion (if my memory serves me right) adjusting it to European and other standards.

          A couple of moments...
          Do not remind, under whom all this bodyaga with the reform of education began?
          And yet the second. Standards are about how to teach. And not about what. It is useful for a connoisseur of our education to know such things. lol
          As for the conscription in the USSR, if I am not mistaken, it was in 1983 and beyond, and there was nothing bad, unlike your statement. Just returning from there, the students simply got up to walk on the ground, and not soar in the clouds.

          Yes. And how happy MO was ...... And how sad when this nonsense was canceled.
          And the problem there was small, no more than 20% of those who returned recovered and finished their studies. Especially where it was necessary to study seriously.
          1. user
            user 3 October 2022 18: 22
            -1
            And the problem there was small, no more than 20% of those who returned recovered and finished their studies.


            Here you are wrong, it’s just that most of them were transferred to distance learning, and interestingly, most of them finished their studies. So these graduates were the real support of industrial enterprises, practice, experience and the absence of dope in the head - this means a lot.
            1. frog
              frog 3 October 2022 20: 31
              -2
              I'm not only wrong, I'm also not a lion ....
              Based on what I saw, I still insist))) And at the same time I ask you to tell me how much correspondence education we had in those years for physicists, electronics engineers and many other places ....
              And, to the heap, let me remind you of a phrase from the USSR ... Two evening parties are equal to one full-time student. Two correspondence students are equal to one evening party ....
              1. user
                user 4 October 2022 07: 00
                0
                how much distance learning did we have in those years for physicists, electronics engineers and many other places ...


                I won’t say anything about physicists (correspondence students) in the USSR, in general they are piece goods, but for example, in our University, out of several groups of students in Laser Engineering and Laser Technologies, we have 6-10 graduates at the exit. For a simple reason, it is very difficult and hard to learn.
                Concerning
                Two evening parties are equal to one point. Two correspondence students are equal to one evening party ..

                Well, this was invented for teaching courage, and actually refers to developers and designers, and it’s rare for them to come out of correspondence students, the rest are engaged in servicing any production and life support systems that they didn’t come up with and brought to life.

                In addition to geniuses, universities train ordinary and other engineers in their total mass, this is 90-95% of the output, well, someone has to turn the nuts, light, give water, extract and pump oil and gas, and maintain all sorts of other systems. This is when there is water and light in the house, no one pays attention to it, but it’s just a clogged pipe or lack of gas in the house, but when it disappears, then all your reasoning about high technology fades into the background.
                And almost 90% of programmer graduates are engaged in maintenance of accounting and other financial software.
                1. frog
                  frog 4 October 2022 09: 01
                  0
                  That is, you still admit that a normal specialist, and not an asshole, sorry, with cardboard, without a day one will not work?
                  Well thanks for that too.....
                  And yet, yes, this was not invented for courage, this is a statement of facts at enterprises. And when you need an intelligent worker to become a master - yes, for this you need a correspondence one. But just for the record, he knows his job anyway. And if we are talking about the second half of the 70s and 80s - his limit is the deputy head. And to study, in fact, he did not rest against the bolt, but "requires a method." And so - that work could be done by any incomplete woodpecker. And the tower there is not flattened anywhere. As now the management is diverse.
                  If we are talking about a specialist - sorry, you need to learn normally. And learn.
                  1. user
                    user 5 October 2022 12: 55
                    0
                    If we are talking about a specialist - sorry, you need to learn normally. And learn.


                    Nobody argues with this, only today there is no social elevator, as in the Soviet Union, for a long time. It was only at that time that it was necessary to start with a master or engineer of the 3rd category, or even a pro without a category, and reach the minister. Today it's like a program - It can't be.

                    Regarding your comment
                    his limit is the deputy head

                    I agree on the level of growth, but there is one BUT, it is this group that has vast experience and practice that forms a negative or vice versa positive feedback about any system and product, i.e. despite the low position, it forms the marketing attractiveness of any system and product, which sometimes costs more than any financial and advertising husk.
                    1. frog
                      frog 5 October 2022 13: 04
                      0
                      Nobody argues with this, only today there is no social elevator, as in the Soviet Union, for a long time.

                      Heh, today people without higher education generally manage their own large factories. Another thing is that not everyone has the key to this elevator))
                      As for the second remark, I will modestly keep silent. Expressive vocabulary is not welcome here, and ordinary vocabulary is indispensable ....
          2. user
            user 3 October 2022 18: 37
            0
            Do not remind, under whom all this bodyaga with the reform of education began?


            Let me remind you that Vladimir Mikhailovich Filippov was the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation (1998-2004), it was during his stay in 1998 at the celebration of the 800th anniversary of the University of Paris that the Ministers of Education of France, Germany, Italy and Great Britain agreed that the diversification of education hinders the process of European integration, in particularly in education and science. They signed the Sorbonne Declaration.
            Interestingly, this declaration on the part of Russia was signed by the rectors of St. Petersburg State University and Novosibirsk State Technical University, I won’t tell you what this choice is connected with, but without the will from the very top it would be impossible.
            1. user
              user 3 October 2022 19: 09
              0
              By the way, about:

              Ayy .... Wake up already .... All standards have long been prescribed, all universities are attested by the ministry, generally speaking, that is, by the government. Have you decided to engage in anti-government activities here?))


              Despite the fact that Russia joined the Bologna process in 2003, the introduction of two-degree education took some time - higher education officially made the transition to the Bologna system in 2011. However, a number of areas of training in a number of universities are still carried out according to the old system of specialty.

              The reform of curricula in Russia, despite the 8 years of transition period, was carried out with little bloodshed for those who were responsible for it. Curricula were not brought into line with the European Baccalaureate - instead, specialist programs were cut. As a result, it turned out that the old domestic specialty in Russia was equated with a master's degree in terms of education and competence. While within the framework of the Bologna system (and, therefore, among European employers), it is closer to a bachelor's degree. The competencies underlying the educational programs also differed from European ones - for example, in Russia, the bachelor's degree did not become focused on the practical application of the acquired knowledge. That is why the labor market remained skeptical about bachelors.

              Well, that's the way.
              1. frog
                frog 3 October 2022 20: 42
                0
                Awesome. But let's get back to...
                Are standards about how to teach or what to teach? As soon as you are in the subject)) And yet who approves the list of what to learn? Rough, but clearer)) Bologna process? Or does the native Ministry of Education, not be remembered by night, has anything to do with this? And whose government is this Ministry of Education included?
                As for competencies and other, sorry, husks - no need to tell fairy tales at night. The main problem is that it is stupidly not profitable for the university to expel students. the ruble is not profitable, What they shouted about even before the start of the reforms (with what guarantor, do not remind me?)). Everything else is verbiage, of little interest to those who are not sitting in this swamp. How is it inside - passing, say, accreditation))), of little interest to the shirnarmasses ....
                1. user
                  user 4 October 2022 06: 41
                  0
                  The main problem is that it is stupidly not profitable for the university to expel students. the ruble is not profitable, What they shouted about even before the start of the reforms (with what guarantor, do not remind me?)).


                  This is where you don't really know. Per capita budget financing is carried out according to the number of enrolled applicants, i.e. upon enrollment in the 1st course, a further reduction in funding, taking into account the expelled students, does not occur until the end of training. Therefore, there is no need for the university not to expel or expel students, for example, for academic performance. this has almost no effect in financial terms (the maintenance of the premises and the teaching staff, in any case, have to be financed).
                  This all applies to universities with public funding, all private and other independent educational institutions is a different story.
                  1. frog
                    frog 4 October 2022 09: 05
                    0
                    Shooo????
                    You still go to the market, take a herring there and then follow the Privoz recipe ....
                    For in any university there are specialties and places with "material compensation for education." Lawyers and other boobies, even agricultural workers and construction workers (they are quite sculpted by the state))) and yet in many specialties there is a budget and an off-budget. And yet there is a difference, who how to study - for a fee or, sorry, on a budget? I explain this for those who are especially advanced in the tower. For you can always "fill up" the state employee and stick the right payer in his place. Etc. etc.
                    Listen, we are not here on the podium and not at a videoconference with the ministry, you should not pronounce slogans and other blue dregs.
            2. frog
              frog 3 October 2022 20: 36
              0
              2003 - Russia's accession to the Bologna
              declaration

              Well, I reminded so what? Who was our guarantor in 2003?
    3. tkoh
      tkoh 27 September 2022 12: 03
      -4
      We don't need smart ones, do we need submissive ones? Geniuses are born are born rarely. And their thinking may differ from the patriotic one. So what kind of genius should be exchanged for a crowd of patriots? This genius can come up with some kind of hydrogen fusion or how to overcome the speed of light. This will clearly benefit the country more.
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 27 September 2022 16: 00
        +1
        These stupid majors with jour. faculty of Moscow State University is very far from geniuses, without such geniuses Russia will certainly do without any damage to itself, but now nobody needs them with their so-called education, they think too much of themselves, we urgently need to change priorities, we are literate and talented engineers, designers, technologists, are now needed like air, and to disperse this whole liberoid riff-raff along with their dean and teachers, the fish, as you know, always rot from the head.
        1. Dartik
          Dartik 27 September 2022 20: 30
          +1
          I can’t understand if a person adheres to a liberal point of view - does that mean he is a bad specialist? There are many people among engineers and scientists who do not share the point of view of the state, but this does not prevent them from being experts in their field.
      2. user
        user 2 October 2022 09: 46
        0
        Geniuses are born are born rarely. And their thinking may differ from the patriotic one.

        Geniuses do not build a country and do not turn screws, do not extract oil, they are not plumbers and electrical engineers do not protect the country, and so on - about their selection and training in other articles, but we are talking about ordinary university graduates.
      3. user
        user 3 October 2022 18: 19
        0
        We don't need smart ones, do we need submissive ones? Geniuses are born are born rarely.


        All the so-called geniuses by the age of conscription are already all (someone worth something) taken into account and studying, but just like that geniuses (just after graduating from the University) from the street could not remember.
    4. would
      would 27 September 2022 18: 20
      +2
      Well, call them ... so what? I know a wagon and a small cart of those who served urgently and not only did not become a patriot, but on the contrary, as they were, they remained an ardent Westernizer and Russophobe.

      How is this supposed to work in general?
  3. Konnick
    Konnick 27 September 2022 06: 37
    +17
    Journalist is a disgrace to Moscow State University. It is not clear who they are preparing, just a scribbler? An economist should write about the economy, an athlete or coach about sports, a military man about the army. There must be a specialized education plus additional. This is how expressions such as "muzzle diameter" are obtained ...
    1. frog
      frog 27 September 2022 09: 27
      +1
      Journalist is a disgrace to Moscow State University.

      Oh, how ... And after the "march of gelendvagens" do you want to say anything about a certain academy?
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 28 September 2022 12: 14
        0
        About journalism is still safer laughing "" "" "
        1. frog
          frog 28 September 2022 12: 28
          +1
          I would add more - and more patriotic. Are there many "patriotic personalities" here?
  4. realist
    realist 27 September 2022 06: 37
    +14
    It is too late to re-educate them, they are ready heralds of freedom, they can only be punished, there is no place for such "patriots" in the university. And the question is striking in its naivety, why are citizens with such an undisguised anti-Russian position taken to work in a state university, there is a vice-rector for regime, there is an attached FSB officer, they do not participate in personnel policy in any way?
    A mess, all hotbeds of "democracy" should be disbanded, the higher school of economics should be physically destroyed, burned together with teachers who are not planting our values ​​....
    1. Kargapoltsev Alexander
      Kargapoltsev Alexander 27 September 2022 09: 17
      -4
      These are not your values, these are the values ​​of your elite. For which you are just a serf. You're more likely to be burned. Here at least in the same Donbass.
  5. Last centurion
    Last centurion 27 September 2022 06: 39
    +11
    How many hundreds of students and deans previously studied under the Soros line and can not be counted... Do you think what is in their heads and what do they teach further? Everyone talks by the way about the literature used in schools, but have you seen what kind of literature is used in institutes?
  6. EvilCommunist
    EvilCommunist 27 September 2022 06: 40
    +17
    I will say briefly, MSU is not an indicator now, employers do not give preference to applicants with an MSU education due to the fact that over the past 25 years it has fallen so low and in its corruption components, the price of prices for the purchase of one or another test weighs on the next board with a schedule for passing tests . They don’t even want to take part-time students, ask any HR employee, a company of 300+ people, about the formation of Moscow State University and especially in terms of gum. sciences, in other words, the leadership of Moscow State University by its actions has led to the fact that Moscow State University has become not the standard of education, but rather an anti-standard, MSTU and MIPT still hold the mark, but also go down a crooked road
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 27 September 2022 13: 43
      -1
      Now at most of the faculties of Moscow State University, and maybe at all faculties already, there are no correspondence courses. There are full-time and part-time (evening) training.
      1. EvilCommunist
        EvilCommunist 27 September 2022 15: 31
        -1
        In my understanding, the full-time is the evening
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 September 2022 17: 44
          +1
          But in general, these are different forms of education. Correspondence students come a couple of times for sessions lasting 3-4 weeks. And evening parties go weekly in the evening to classes, but not 5-6 days a week. like eyeglasses, but two or three times a week.
  7. for
    for 27 September 2022 06: 41
    -3
    Author:
    Evgeny Fedorov

    The Fifth Column and the Liberals in the Kremlin, Sov. Fed. and Gos. Duma and other ministries.
    And you are not the founder of the NOD.
    1. sgrabik
      sgrabik 27 September 2022 11: 16
      +1
      And you are not from TsIPSO, here you can see from a mile away where some characters' ears grow from.
      1. for
        for 27 September 2022 12: 14
        -1
        Quote: sgrabik
        And you are not from CIPSO by any chance

        From there, from there!
        Think of something new, like parrots.
  8. NSV
    NSV 27 September 2022 06: 43
    +12
    That's who should be sent for mobilization first of all! !!!
  9. VORON538
    VORON538 27 September 2022 06: 45
    +22
    This is not "golden youth", this is young mold. Golden youth are young people like Stepan. It's time to call a spade a spade. Wealthy parents and a prestigious university are not yet a sign of elitism. This is a substitution of concepts. young mold "should be expelled from universities, despite the regalia and wallets of parents. It is worth taking a closer look at the teaching staff. Maybe they need a purge there, similar to SVO, only in their team.
  10. Boris Sergeev
    Boris Sergeev 27 September 2022 06: 46
    +3
    Couldn't the parents of these students have been watching the execution of Donbass for 8 years, hiding behind the fig leaves of the "Minsk agreements"?
    1. for
      for 27 September 2022 06: 52
      -5
      Quote: Boris Sergeev
      Were the parents of these students watching the execution of Donbass for 8 years?

      Does the GDP really have so many children?
  11. Quote Lavrov
    Quote Lavrov 27 September 2022 06: 46
    +6
    But can Peskov's son, in response to the words about his mobilization, be safely threatened with resolving the issue "at a different level"?
    And no articles, no media attention, no committee meetings, etc...
    "Friends - everything, enemies - the law!"
    Well, what kind of patriotism do we want to see when it has become the responsibility of some, while others live in a parallel universe?
    What kind of unity do we want to achieve when, on the one hand, they talk about patriotism in a stereotyped way, and on the other, the same Peskov says that out of the thousands of employees of the presidential apparatus, he "does not know" that at least someone would volunteer.
    So the youth simply feel the dissonance between slogans and patterns. Because the best way to convince, to instill the right qualities, including patriotism, is based on the principle "Do as I do!", and not "we'll deal with you at a different level!".
  12. 2112vda
    2112vda 27 September 2022 06: 46
    +10
    All this liberal demonism began with the coming to power of the always drunk wrestler and his liberal accomplices. I have a relative who studied at the Faculty of Law in the early 90s. The teachers brainwashed them so intensely, they brought up "people of the world" from them. The fact that almost all the departments of journalism, economics and jurisprudence are "Augean stables" is no secret to anyone. The reason is simple, all these departments belong to the humanities, and humanists, as you know, the brains are not structured by the exact sciences, so they are sausage. Here they are the fruits of a liberal liberal education.
    1. Dmitry Karabanov
      Dmitry Karabanov 27 September 2022 08: 58
      +5
      Do not tell me - this mold has climbed from a labeled bear! All the filth, like "pravoz-shit-nickname" S. Kovalev or A. Sakharov, who has lost his mind, is from there! Only a person favored by the authorities could hate his Motherland so professionally. Yes, that's right - it's funny for me to hear about "Sakharov's exile": a person was sent to work in a city with a population of one million (!), Provided with everything - from an apartment to maintenance! Nifiga yourself a "link" - and then who should be considered the rest of the millions of ordinary Gorky residents?
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 September 2022 10: 19
      +5
      Quote: 2112vda
      All this liberal demonism began with the coming to power of the always drunk wrestler and his liberal accomplices.

      Oh, okay. You might think that in Soviet times, the same MGIMO was a highly moral and ideologically correct school for communist youth. laughing
  13. kebeskin
    kebeskin 27 September 2022 06: 46
    +3
    Let students in Donbass look at how people live and take part in restoring the world, objects and writing reports about people's lives.

    And for such teachers and the leadership of universities, the Bolshevik philosophical steamboat is crying.
  14. CondorIV
    CondorIV 27 September 2022 06: 47
    +1
    You are no longer comfortable, you are worried about the armed struggle. We are waiting for you in Argentina. the country is wide, prosperous, good lands. We manage permanent residence. This is your time, your future
  15. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 27 September 2022 06: 51
    +13
    Still, in such matters the Anglo-Saxons are great. There was a respected professor in the USA who spoke out against the policy of the state - bam, and they don’t even take you to taxi drivers anymore, democracy. And we have Abramovichs, then what do we want from brainwashed students, and some are already for denyuzhka, since the profession is conducive to this.
    1. frog
      frog 27 September 2022 09: 30
      -2
      There was a respected professor in the USA who spoke out against the policy of the state - bam, and they don’t even take you to taxi drivers anymore, democracy.

      I won’t even stutter about the Prufets, just won’t you extend your last name? And then there are all sorts of cases, one teacher, in St. Petersburg, also suffered from the authorities. He was a respected person...
  16. Boris Sergeev
    Boris Sergeev 27 September 2022 06: 51
    +11
    There is nothing to add. And the university administration and the relevant authorities did not know about this?

    "The famous dean of the Faculty of Journalism of Lomonosov Moscow State University, a specialist in American literature of the 1965th century, Yasen Nikolaevich Zasursky (who has headed the faculty since 2021) brought up a lot of pen workers, including a whole galaxy of anti-statists with a fig in their pocket. As it is said in an obituary from the Russian Jewish Congress (XNUMX), "Zasursky's journalism charged with liberalism."

    Mr. Zasursky, shortly before his death, in an interview with the magazine "Journalist": "Our students read not only Pushkin and Dostoevsky (although the latter also used to be evaluated differently), but also One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, which was part of the course program Soviet literature. There was a case when one of our graduates in Ivanovo was fired for having found the "Gulag Archipelago" in his possession. At the congress of the Union of Journalists, we were then accused of educating us incorrectly. We managed to attract people significant from the point of view of their civic position to the faculty , Andrey Sinyavsky, Galina Belaya, Anatoly Bocharov read lectures on literature, Boris Grushin, Yuri Levada on sociology.Eduard Grigoryevich Babaev, Kuchborskaya, Kovalev, Shvedov taught us, they each taught freedom of thought, respect for free speech, in their own way, to universal human eternal values. And the students read what they wanted. We managed to protect them to some extent from retrograde, even with the limits that were. <...> I have been constantly listening to BBC is a great school of objective information journalism. I like to listen to programs from America - news, analysis, programs about Russian events. There are always multiple points of view. The same, by the way, on our "Echo of Moscow". This is amazing. I watch CNN and BBC World. Our "Echo of Moscow" does not lag behind them. The radio station is one of the best projects, I am happy to say this, because the radio was born at our faculty. We didn’t have money, then the Moscow City Council, Korotich’s Ogonyok, and the USSR Radio Association helped. They collected money, then they went to Gusinsky, to Gazprom. And here they remain honest, tolerant, but at the same time intolerant of manifestations of fascism, xenophobia"
    1. Boris Sergeev
      Boris Sergeev 27 September 2022 07: 10
      +5
      And here is the grandson of Zasursky. Ivan Ivanych.

      "In 2006, he headed the department of new media and communication theory under the wing of a loving grandfather and became the marketing director of SUP Media, a billionaire Alexander Mamut. Culture.. He said in an interview with Russian Journal: “To change reality, you need to change the mentality. <...> Personally, I think that now the time has come for glasnost and perestroika, version 2.0. " Supported Belolentochnikov.

      Since 2012 - member of the Council under the President of the Russian Federation for the development of civil society and human rights. Recently, I decided to saddle the fashionable topic of global climate change, an imminent climate catastrophe. He proposed a new national idea for Russia (“Only this is not about conservative messianism and not about the fight against LGBT”). He complained that "we are being offered negative, negative ideas - an enemy from the 'West', a 'fascist' from Ukraine, a 'fifth column' in Russia."
      2
      1. Boris Sergeev
        Boris Sergeev 27 September 2022 07: 12
        +5
        In May 2022 he emigrated to the USA. And I could continue to teach at the Faculty of Journalism.
  17. fiberboard
    fiberboard 27 September 2022 06: 55
    +4
    Yeah, and then we are surprised that our propaganda lost outright Ukrainian. Like our intelligence, recruited from the same contingent of "golden youth". And Mr. Putin only "expresses surprise" and asks not to rock the boat. It is necessary to disperse all this anti-Russian coven for a long time. In Moscow universities, 80% of students need to be recruited not from Moscow and St. Petersburg, but from the outback. What do you want from the teaching staff? Remember Kolya from Urengoy. There were a lot of teachers from Ukraine, and the director of the school from there. And here, for sure, Mrs. Vartanova (her very name speaks of Russian origin) has the same ,, teachers ,,. It has long been time to introduce them all (both students and teachers) to the Turukhansk Territory and the village of Shushenskoye.
  18. Roman Bubnov
    Roman Bubnov 27 September 2022 07: 04
    +4
    The idea is certainly a good one, to send these future "journalists, as it were" to the Donbass. To ventilate the head there and blow out all the infection from there.
    Yes, that's just what a howl will rise immediately everywhere! One can imagine even louder than after the announcement of partial mobilization. How so! "They're children"! The future of the country! etc....
    It is necessary to fight here precisely with those who raised this ready-made "fifth column", with the teachers who put all this into their brains.
    And here the work should not go at the level of the Ministry of Education and Science, but rather at the level of the FSB.
    The article - "treason" is quite drawn ...
    1. fiberboard
      fiberboard 27 September 2022 07: 41
      +1
      Well, what will they do in the Donbass? Who needs this stupid ballast? That and look they will run away to the ,, new Europeans ,,. Then the GDP organizes an exchange for hardened Natsiks. They should be sent to Siberia. Working as a milkmaid or a tractor driver, or at a sawmill will have a very good effect on the brain. And deprive them of their content at the expense of the state.
  19. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 27 September 2022 07: 05
    +2
    Freaks to the front, to Ukraine, and not as reporters, but in active units. Particular attention is paid to the families of "heroes", the apple does not fall far from the tree. "But, all these are dreams, again it turns out that these are someone's sons, brothers, miscarriages, and the like.
  20. for
    for 27 September 2022 07: 05
    -1
    "Golden Youth" against: who is being trained at the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University

    This suits the leadership of the country, otherwise it would have dispersed this viper.
    So they are preparing their shift.
  21. cmax
    cmax 27 September 2022 07: 08
    +1
    Here we have lived, in what sphere of life you will not look, almost everywhere .... oops. Maybe WBO will help cure it, at least a little.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 September 2022 10: 51
      -1
      Quote: cmax
      Maybe CBO will help cure it, at least a little

      Rather the opposite.
  22. Vrotkompot
    Vrotkompot 27 September 2022 07: 08
    0
    Every child has a parent who participated (not) in shaping his worldview. If a child grew up on YouTube, Instagram, Tiktok and incomprehensible telegram channels, then only the creators of these resources know what will come of it.
  23. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 27 September 2022 07: 09
    +12
    When Vitaly Tretyakov appears in Solovyov's program, the dean of the Faculty of Television at Moscow State University begins to shake me with rage ...

    selfish demagogue.
    Capable of talking nonsense for hours. Sometimes he twists the problem inside out and begins to contradict himself in his own speech.
    Confident in his infallibility. Hysterically screaming opponent. Pouting if he hears unpleasant facts.
    He is constantly surrounded by enthusiastic students, like a rooster with young hens in a chicken coop.
    They lick him daily on Twitter. Polish his balls, so to speak.
    And he also posts daily pictures of his dinners in prestigious restaurants there.
    In Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg. Revels, "the conscience of the nation." Epicurean.
    Well, who can he educate at his TV department at Moscow State University?
    Only a bastard like himself.
    I have been working on television for 32 years. Seen many of these.
    But this one got high. It can do a lot of harm.
    True, he was not seen for a week ...
    Pah-pah-pah, maybe he choked on imported foie gras? wink
  24. Fortress
    Fortress 27 September 2022 07: 10
    +2
    Our youth, that moronic part of it that allows itself to open its stinking mouth at the oak-state, from which they eat acorns for free, should be sent, at least, to labor camps for the restoration of bombed-out cities, and to funeral teams in the Donbass ...
    Outcasts are gone ... What kind of elite is this for? DONE SCUNTS!
  25. Pravodel
    Pravodel 27 September 2022 07: 10
    +8
    Unfortunately, such activity of the 5th column is observed not only at the Faculty of Journalism at Moscow State University, but also in most liberal arts universities, where the teaching staff are all active or hidden adherents of the West.
    Fortunately, this infection has not yet reached our technical universities. I believe that this is connected, first of all, with the greater depth of knowledge of the professors, and with the impossibility of replacing natural knowledge with professional idle talk, which is completely observed among journalists, political scientists and other figures with a liberal education ... After all, if students are constantly told that sleep is not about a dream, there is not the same thing as a dream about a dream, then they have no choice but to believe that life is shit and that everything urgently needs to be changed. Best of all through rebellion, revolution and the overthrow of power.
    For the first time, such tactics were tested by the Anglo-Saxons in France during student riots in the 60s of the last century, when French President De Gaulle was forced to resign at the request of students. This was De Gaulle's punishment for sending a steamship loaded with dollars to the United States to be exchanged for gold.
    We would not repeat the experience of the French student riots. And as we know from history, the experience of France for Russia is always very indicative. Suffice it to recall the great French Revolution.
    Summary:
    Higher education, as well as public education and culture, require a serious purge of the ingrown, deeply rooted 5th column of the enemy. Now is the time to start getting rid of the reptiles, from this cancer that struck this part of our society. Then it will be too late...
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 27 September 2022 15: 21
      +3
      the teaching staff are all completely active or hidden adherents of the West.
      Looking through the lists of "friends" of Sisyan or some other of the "oppositors" in the muzzle book, one can often meet just such people.
  26. buslaif
    buslaif 27 September 2022 07: 10
    +1
    Quote: ASAD
    On the front line by war correspondents, in their specialty, and to issue a uniform like that of Wagner, they are not taken prisoner.

    It is a great honor to litter the ranks of the defenders of the Fatherland with this shit. In addition to taking out slop from the garrison canteen, nothing can be trusted with this. However, you can straighten their brains during the monthly KMB with addiction. For such, the Motherland should begin with a doormat in the barracks.
  27. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 27 September 2022 07: 14
    +4
    I am surprised by the spineless (not to say treacherous) position of the university administration. Do the highbrows really not understand that patriotism lies at the heart of the state? Or are they acting deliberately? This is what thoughtless cosmopolitanism leads to. To paraphrase a well-known expression, what is on the mind of the master is on the tongue of the serf. "Bare", that is, the leadership of the university, is able to chameleon, saying one thing in public, but within the walls of the institution entrusted to them, so to speak, they relax and carry the "truth" reeking of rotten weed. And the "serfs", that is, students, either due to the stupidity of infancy, or due to the daring of the brave, either do not know how to do this very "truth", or do not want to hide it. In the United States, for example, which we so love to appeal to, they would have been closely dealt with by the FBI long ago. And in Russia they shun, how, all of a sudden they will call you satraps. request
    1. faiver
      faiver 27 September 2022 07: 36
      +8
      Surprised by the spineless (not to say treacherous) position of the university administration
      - why be surprised? that at Moscow State University, that at MGIMO, children of difficult parents study in the lion's share. You touch such a student, and in a couple of days they will find drugs on you or something.
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 27 September 2022 09: 59
        +2
        "Touching" students is the same as dealing with the consequences, but you have to start with the "mudders". Check the teaching staff. Previously, the KGB kept its hand, so to speak, on the pulse, and the General (first) departments were simply branches of the "office". Now isn't it? Are they looking through their fingers, or are they also from the "Gelenvagenovods in columns"?
  28. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 27 September 2022 07: 22
    +6
    1. Educational institutions should teach to think. In this case, I see that Moscow State University taught to think too small a percentage of its students.
    2. I agree that journalism should be independent. But in this case, both the students who started persecuting Stepan Antropov and the teachers showed their dependence. From the opinions of the Western press.
    3. It has already been written here, I will support: there should be no deferrals for students from military service. Well, okay, I entered, unlearned a couple of courses, and - welcome to the army. Medical contraindications? No problem. Enter an alternative service. But not for those who have "moral prejudice" as was once supposed, but for people with medical contraindications to drill. Moreover, to conduct a medical examination of such comrades again, in order to avoid fraud and forgery, in a randomly selected medical institution, outside the conscript's native region. They called me, I came to the military registration and enlistment office, they put me on a bus (airplane, train), and sent, say, from Moscow to Omsk. Checked out and returned home. The diagnosis was confirmed - no problems. Not confirmed - you will receive an invoice for the trip. And, accordingly, to the assembly point, and - to training or troops.
    4. Alternatively, students can be transferred to military service without leaving their studies. They are now only 12 months old. The year has been unlearned, the summer session is over, and - forward, for 3 months, to the location. Then - back to school, in the fall. 4 years in a row for 3 months - 12. Year. In order to learn how to disassemble and assemble a machine gun, walk in formation, correctly respond to a "flash on the right", and put on an OZK - enough time.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 27 September 2022 07: 47
      +2
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      there shall be no deferments for students from military service.

      Disagree. After the army, half will not want to study. As an option for the duration of training - students can take combat training courses without interrupting their studies - for example, on weekends or holidays, or even set aside 1 day a week for this, something like basic military training.
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 27 September 2022 07: 51
        -1
        As an option for the duration of training - students can take combat training courses without interrupting their studies - for example, on weekends or holidays, or even set aside 1 day a week for this, something like basic military training.
        I also considered this:
        Alternatively, students can be transferred to military service without interrupting their studies. They are now only 12 months old. The year has been unlearned, the summer session is over, and - forward, for 3 months, to the location. Then - back to school, in the fall. 4 years in a row for 3 months - 12. Year. In order to learn how to disassemble and assemble an assault rifle, walk in formation, respond correctly to a “flash on the right”, and put on an OZK, there is enough time.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 27 September 2022 08: 47
          -1
          Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
          I also considered this:

          Got it. hi
        2. RVAPatriot
          RVAPatriot 27 September 2022 09: 23
          0
          https://bntu.by/faculties/vtf
          It's better in the beginning
      2. sgrabik
        sgrabik 27 September 2022 11: 42
        0
        Previously, in many universities there were military departments that were close in direct specialization of faculties, it would not be easier to revive them again and reform their work to meet current requirements and challenges.
        1. Dilettante grandfather
          Dilettante grandfather 27 September 2022 16: 18
          -1
          Military departments still exist today. The problem is that officers are released there. Stock. Who will fight if there are only officers around? And then, why do we need a graduate of an economic university as a reserve officer, and even in the profile?
    2. fiberboard
      fiberboard 27 September 2022 07: 48
      0
      It is better to call on a person with a higher education, he is more useless.
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 27 September 2022 07: 59
        -1
        It is better to call on a person with a higher education, he is more useless
        Will he mint a step better during drill?
        There is no sense from the current conscripts, as we all saw. They are not sent to work in Ukraine, simply because the terms of training a fighter, unlike the terms of service, have not changed. As it was in the USSR: the first year a fighter studies, the second he serves. Now they are studying, and - for demobilization.
        1. fiberboard
          fiberboard 27 September 2022 10: 17
          0
          Nonsense, in six months you can prepare a great specialist, unless of course you cook. And here the level of education plays a huge role. It is clear that these future journalists (humanities) are unlikely to be able to master air defense technology in six months. But they can be adapted to a mortar or machine gun. At least the account numbers. Six months is enough for the eyes.
          1. Dilettante grandfather
            Dilettante grandfather 27 September 2022 10: 27
            0
            It is clear that these future journalists (humanities) are unlikely to be able to master air defense technology in six months. But they can be adapted to a mortar or machine gun. At least the account numbers. Six months is enough for the eyes.
            The machine-gun crew in the offensive must support the attackers. So, change positions, and quickly. Are you sure that only athletes go to journalists? Yes, their first six months will simply have to be driven on forced marches, to tighten their physical development! I am more than sure that not one of them will run through the top ten, in OZK and a gas mask, with full gear, meeting the standard.
            1. fiberboard
              fiberboard 27 September 2022 10: 37
              0
              Ten in a gas mask and OZK and I would not have run. But even when I served in the military, and the ensign came guys who were rocking from the wind. Six months on shrapnel and sechki with jerboas and a saiga with a machine gun (machine gun, RPG) is ready. The main thing is like in a song: everywhere you need skill, perseverance, training
              1. Dilettante grandfather
                Dilettante grandfather 27 September 2022 11: 08
                +1
                We ran. Not often, but running. Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR, 86-88. hi
    3. tkoh
      tkoh 27 September 2022 14: 44
      0
      Let's send some genius of physics to the army for a year. Why do we need scientific discoveries? The main thing is loyalty
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 27 September 2022 16: 22
        +1
        These majorist ushlepkam with zhur. faculty of Moscow State University to geniuses, just like walking to the moon.
      2. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 27 September 2022 16: 22
        0
        In our universities, all the polls are geniuses? They don’t take others, even for a fee, and not on the budget? ..
    4. would
      would 27 September 2022 18: 23
      +1
      Moreover, to conduct a medical examination of such comrades again, in order to avoid fraud and forgery, in a randomly selected medical institution, outside the conscript's native region.


      What you call a re-inspection is already underway. Upon receipt of documents from the conscript testifying to the disease, he is sent for an additional medical examination to any medical institution in the city, but at the choice of the military registration and enlistment office. On my own behalf, I note that the military registration and enlistment office issues "golden" directions for which a person is subjected to such examinations for several days that people have been waiting for months, I know a couple of people who have improved their health so seriously.

      In another region? Two questions:

      1. What for?
      2. Who will pay for it? Another budget?
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 28 September 2022 04: 49
        0
        What for?
        - in order to avoid the possibility of "negotiating" with the commission.
        Who will pay for this? Another budget?
        Yes. It is quite logical that if the diagnosis is confirmed, and the person is not fit for service, then the budget pays. But if this is not so, then both the erroneous commission and the one who tried to avoid the draft will pay for the erroneous verdict.
        1. would
          would 28 September 2022 07: 52
          0
          in order to avoid the possibility of "negotiating" with the commission.


          What commission? There are no commissions in the medical institution where the military registration and enlistment office sends for additional examination. There is no eligibility category at all.
          1. Dilettante grandfather
            Dilettante grandfather 28 September 2022 07: 59
            0
            Commissions may not. But the doctors are nowhere to be found.
            1. would
              would 28 September 2022 08: 31
              +1
              I'm far from nitpicking, I just now perfectly understand that you do not understand how the VVK works. You don't understand at all. And as a result, all your suggestions cannot be taken seriously.

              Yes, there are doctors. As I said in a large city you will be sent anywhere. How are you going to "negotiate" with a random person? The basis of corruption is to have a "way out" for the right person, they won't even take money from a person without a "way out".

              I don’t know of cases when doctors at an additional examination were frankly paid to find a disease that doesn’t exist. But I know a real case when the military commissar, without embarrassing anyone, sent a guy for a medical examination to his doctor friend, who he gave a direct order to "carry out the examination as it should." So he said right in front of the kid and his lawyer. Do I need to say what was the result?

              That is, the military registration and enlistment office is in an advantageous position relative to the conscript.

              That is, your proposal to send even to another region does not stand up to criticism, since the military registration and enlistment office can send to another medical institution within the city. And there is no need to devastate the budget with constant trips of conscripts and their accommodation at the place of examination.
  29. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 27 September 2022 07: 30
    +4
    The fifth column is not hiding. She has no need) In the 90s, all employees of the Ministry of Education openly sat on American grants. Bold, generous, almost unaccountable. It was only necessary to communicate with the curators who lived and live in Moscow, and two or three times a year to go either to the USA or to various pleasant places in the world to "study".
    Now the grants have gone into the shadows, but they have not stopped at all. And "study" has not stopped either, only now the trips are under the guise of tourist trips. As far as I understand, our government is satisfied with the situation when young people are trained as enemies of the country by the in-line method. Just wonderful...
  30. Adagka
    Adagka 27 September 2022 07: 38
    +3
    It’s also a discovery for me, as if the fifth column is only in Moscow State University and other metropolitan sharagas. In the Kremlin, this shit is in bulk, you won’t miss through one soot.
  31. faiver
    faiver 27 September 2022 07: 40
    +3
    expel students who participated in bullying and send them to correctional labor, deal with the dean's office separately
  32. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 27 September 2022 07: 42
    +2
    It is necessary to carry out checks in these "universities", after making a decision on reforms, in extreme cases, close such institutions ... All "alternative-minded youth", if they study on the budget, drive either to paid places, or from the university ...
    I, as a taxpayer, do not want to invest in potential employees of other states and other foreign agents who dream of pleasing the West. I do not have benefit from this.
  33. Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 27 September 2022 07: 43
    +2
    It's high time, but as always there is no one to do. Let's waste time and young people, and a generation of indifferent will grow up for whom "ass is warm" is the most important criterion in life.
  34. Prometey
    Prometey 27 September 2022 07: 44
    +2
    I'm not surprised. Universities have always been a hotbed of anti-patriotism in the country, under the tsar, under the Soviets, under Yeltsin, and now it’s about the teaching staff. I can count on my fingers, indeed those who, while criticizing the authorities, did not spit in their country.
    Guy - strength and patience. I hope he will cope with all the rot and find like-minded people against the vile slugs.
    1. frog
      frog 27 September 2022 09: 34
      0
      Universities have always been a hotbed of anti-patriotism in the country, under the tsar, under the Soviets, under Yeltsin, and now it’s about the teaching staff.

      Exactly. But, since it is impossible without universities, to recruit retired military men to the teaching staff, best of all - political officers. Especially in medical universities and all sorts of physical / radio engineering. And life will be great.
      1. Dartik
        Dartik 27 September 2022 21: 55
        0
        Quote: frog
        Universities have always been a hotbed of anti-patriotism in the country, under the tsar, under the Soviets, under Yeltsin, and now it’s about the teaching staff.

        Exactly. But, since it is impossible without universities, to recruit retired military men to the teaching staff, best of all - political officers. Especially in medical universities and all sorts of physical / radio engineering. And life will be great.

        Do intimidation? Not well, they will be silent, but in hostels he still talks about his own.
        1. frog
          frog 28 September 2022 12: 55
          +1
          There is such a word - sarcasm wink Against the background of all these, sorry, squeals, only ln remains
    2. fiberboard
      fiberboard 27 September 2022 10: 27
      0
      It depends on which universities, for example, I graduated from agriculture, such things would not have passed there. The builders also had no time to deal with nonsense. In general, in the province about this better. Such egregious cases are mainly in Moscow and St. Petersburg, where the so-called "elite" studies. It would be necessary to look at the documents, representatives of which regions rushed to flee abroad with the beginning of mobilization.
  35. zorch
    zorch 27 September 2022 07: 45
    +1
    Faculty to close and open a new faculty where to train military correspondents. Appoint an intelligent dean. Recruit guys ready to serve in the Donbass.
  36. Cycle boss
    Cycle boss 27 September 2022 07: 49
    0
    Hand over the summons and go to the front, learning to love the Motherland.
  37. Galleon
    Galleon 27 September 2022 08: 01
    +4
    Mr. Sadovnichy, ay-y? What will the rector of Moscow State University, a friend of the president and the patriarch, say? Everything is fine? You did it all right, didn't you?
  38. Maximus19
    Maximus19 27 September 2022 08: 05
    0
    In this case, the guilt of the teaching staff, headed by the liberotic dean's office, is on the face. And students, by virtue of their youthful maximalism, multiply anti-government sentiments. After all, a student is such a creature, whatever you put into his head, with that he lives up to 30 years, until he begins to think. As a result, we get a pronounced fifth column. The way out is elementary - to send the entire liberotic teaching staff to restore the composition of the universities of the liberated territories, and to recruit teachers with a pro-Russian civil position in their places.
  39. Boris55
    Boris55 27 September 2022 08: 10
    +3
    "If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children"
    What to do? To begin with, it is necessary to announce what we are building and who we need in that new life. Teachers who do not meet the set goals are not allowed to teach students.

  40. igorra
    igorra 27 September 2022 08: 15
    +4
    Somehow, Stalin becomes not a rabid tyrant, but a gardener, diligently weeding the beds of the intelligentsia. As it was the crap of the nation, as Lenin aptly said, so it still remains crap. I'm afraid that everything will be put on the brakes as always. Too liberal Putin.
    1. NAF-NAF
      NAF-NAF 27 September 2022 11: 42
      0
      Stalin had an ideology enshrined in the constitution for "weeding". Putin doesn't.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 September 2022 13: 04
        -4
        Quote: NAF-NAF
        Putin doesn't.

        He does not need it - the Constitution prohibits it. Parties are carriers of ideologies. Putin is non-partisan. He has a concept (it is higher than ideologies), the concept of building a just World.
      2. sgrabik
        sgrabik 27 September 2022 16: 29
        -1
        We have played too much in democracy and liberalism, here is a good example for you.
  41. north 2
    north 2 27 September 2022 08: 24
    -2
    military service today, these are not the terms that were during the USSR. After the first two courses at the university, a student can serve in urgent service and continue to study further. But what if all these leaders of the fifth column, and even privates, served in the Soviet army in Soviet times or passed a military department at a Soviet university, and then they still became the Yakovlevs, Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, Makarevichs, Kasparovs, Galkins, Gudkovs, Venediktovs, Svanidzemi, Gozmanymi, etc.
    Therefore, there is not much difference whether the fifth column will serve or not. She comes to the university already so mature from school. But after all, all of the above I studied in a Soviet school, where patriotism and loyalty to the Motherland were taught daily ... And therefore, it is necessary to legalize what this fifth column is, to introduce articles into the criminal code and not only not to accept members of this fifth column in universities , and immediately send to knit mittens or cut wood in Magadan! After all, you must admit that if the fifth colonists Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Venediktov, Kravchuk, etc. were noticed and isolated in time, then they would not have killed the USSR, and today our soldiers did not have to die in order to exterminate Ukrainian Nazism, for which he stands up it is the fifth column of Russia that supports it.
    1. kin
      kin 27 September 2022 10: 24
      -2
      And how do you see it in modern Russia? One patriotism, and if against hard labor, and the other yachts, villas, Courchevel ?.
      There are a lot of people here, to put it mildly, who drown for slavery. A person should not have his own opinion different from the opinion of the master, his civic position. The only thing they are capable of is get out, idiot.
  42. Vasilyevich Pensioner
    Vasilyevich Pensioner 27 September 2022 08: 27
    +3
    Now is not an easy time and such cases cannot be left without consequences. At a minimum, for counteracting patriotism, expel such students. Public condemnation of such actions is the first step, the second is expulsion, without the opportunity to enter another university.
  43. Sagetaus
    Sagetaus 27 September 2022 08: 28
    +3
    That's what I don't understand, in this situation with "enemies within the country", the fifth column, etc. Do we have democracy, some kind of two-party system, an exemplary legal state in which there is nothing to attract? When it’s not necessary for any well ... they will find a threaded bolt, they will close anyone with or without justification. And when necessary, the selyavis shrug their hands. Everyone knows everything, they portray indignation, but no one is authorized to solve anything, it’s just some kind of natural disaster, there’s no way to cope.
  44. yuriy55
    yuriy55 27 September 2022 08: 34
    +2
    The logical result of thirty years of lies, education and encouragement of lackeys.
    The generation of consumers of Western values ​​has grown up.
    *****
    Mr Fedorov! Correct the mistake in the title (a message has been sent to you)
  45. gafovec
    gafovec 27 September 2022 08: 39
    0
    Six months at the "front end", five years in the hospital, ten years at the logging site - I think the brains will start to cope.
    1. NAF-NAF
      NAF-NAF 27 September 2022 11: 43
      -2
      Yes, they will cut down trees crookedly! Only on the front.
  46. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 27 September 2022 08: 50
    +6
    That's right: go to any university or research institute - and there are continuous groans of "no_war". Z-symbols - you will not see anywhere (and the state symbols, at best, in the rector's office only). And this liberal "cultivation" is unstoppable! Read the "elite" HSE forums or "pleshki" - the feeling that Arestovich writes there! And the president of the Russian Academy of Sciences even urged the academicians not to distribute "anti-war" letters on behalf of the academy - nifiga, no one gave a damn. What can we say about universities, where the Ministry of Education did not even give explanations on the conduct of the SVO. We have here since the time of Sakharov - solid people who professionally hate their homeland.
    1. NAF-NAF
      NAF-NAF 27 September 2022 11: 47
      0
      Yes, this HSE is a long-standing liberal cesspool. I remember very well who went there in the 90s: they all have "this country", "get out of here" and similar views. And many, by the way, have been dumped for a long time.
    2. kin
      kin 27 September 2022 11: 47
      +3
      I was at the research institute a couple of months ago for work, talked with the Ministry of Taxes and He told me that earlier 2000 people worked in the team, but 200 and one building out of several were left. In your opinion, such an attitude to science, to one's people, what should have been brought up?
  47. sgrabik
    sgrabik 27 September 2022 08: 57
    +3
    It’s time for our power structures to “tighten their tails” to the liberal bastards, this is real sabotage and sabotage, undermining the social order of the state, for this it is necessary to judge, deprive of posts and expel from universities, it’s time to finally start clearing these “Augean stables”, all this liberoid riffraff - you need to press it so that they are afraid to utter a word, corrupt cattle !!
  48. Trunk
    Trunk 27 September 2022 09: 04
    +5
    I hope that M. Simonyan will respond to what kind of personnel the journalism faculty of Moscow State University is preparing. Maybe there are beneficiaries of radio such as freedom, the cry of America, the State Department?
  49. Djusha
    Djusha 27 September 2022 09: 04
    +5
    And what's the problem?
    Write a statement accusing of discrediting the army, SVO, etc.
    the boys go on holiday
    1. sgrabik
      sgrabik 27 September 2022 16: 41
      0
      Exactly, such an article was introduced by the criminal code, but for some reason they are not in a hurry to apply it, or maybe these untouchable scum and the criminal code does not spread on the snickering and insolent to the limit majors ???
  50. Vladimir Fedorov_4
    Vladimir Fedorov_4 27 September 2022 09: 07
    0
    You need to start cleaning from the "head". Where is the reaction of Minister Falkov, rector Sadovnichy, dean of the faculty? Drive the dean without a doubt and with a "wolf ticket". Drive these fascist liberal fellow students. The state university trains anti-statists. They are for the fascists of "Azov" and other Nazis. They wish death to the patriots of the country.