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Under anti-aircraft fire, the Mi-28NM helicopter hit the target with a "product 305" at the crossing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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Under anti-aircraft fire, the Mi-28NM helicopter hit the target with a "product 305" at the crossing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The main part of the new front of Russian troops after the withdrawal of forces from the Kharkov direction extends along the Oskol River. In the northern sector of the enemy, the grouping in Kupyansk is holding back, in the southern sector - in Krasny Liman. It is for these two cities that the most fierce battles are fought on the Oskol Front.


To transfer reinforcements here, the enemy needs to overcome water barriers. This is achieved by equipping crossings. Therefore, one of the first tasks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is to strike at river engineering structures and forces moving along them.

Its implementation, in particular, is carried out by the Russian army aviation. So, frames have been posted on the network, which capture the detection by the crew of an attack helicopter of enemy equipment, forcing a water obstacle along an induced crossing. The Mi-28NM fired a missile with the designation "product 305", hitting the enemy's infantry fighting vehicle. The enemy vehicle stood in the middle of the crossing, blocking the passage of other enemy vehicles. Next, a second rocket was fired, which was aimed at the crossing in front of the padded infantry fighting vehicle.

Apparently, the crew decided to neutralize the crossing by creating a traffic jam on it, since the warhead of the 305 products, with which the helicopter went on patrol, has a mass of 25 kg, insufficient to destroy the engineering structure. The enemy will need time to eliminate the "jam", and in the meantime, the received coordinates will be hit by means of means whose power is sufficient to destroy the crossing.

Throughout the course of firing at the crossing, the Mi-28NM was attacked by anti-aircraft systems, which was constantly reported by the Vitebsk airborne defense complex. However, the crew successfully coped with the destruction of the object, directing missiles at the target and at the same time maneuvering under enemy anti-aircraft fire.

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  1. Andobor
    Andobor 26 September 2022 17: 46
    +22
    Mi-28NM helicopter hit the target with "product 305" at the crossing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    - Beautiful
    1. Fisherman
      Fisherman 26 September 2022 18: 06
      +25
      product 305 has generally been pleasing lately with its video tracks ... either it will fly into the window of the barracks .... or right under the roof of the BC warehouse
      1. Machito
        Machito 26 September 2022 18: 20
        +10
        Quote: Fisherman
        product 305 has generally been pleasing lately with its video tracks ... either it will fly into the window of the barracks .... or right under the roof of the BC warehouse

        Redeemed Ukrovermacht. Water - fresh milk. am
        1. vlad106
          vlad106 26 September 2022 18: 27
          +11
          Quote: Fisherman
          product 305 has generally been pleasing lately with its video tracks ... either it will fly into the window of the barracks .... or right under the roof of the BC warehouse

          A good product...
          Yes, smart)
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        2. isv000
          isv000 26 September 2022 18: 51
          +5
          Quote: Bearded
          Redeemed Ukrovermacht. Water - fresh milk.

          Let the bloomers wash off the "steamed turnip"! good
    2. volodimer
      volodimer 26 September 2022 19: 54
      0
      Mi-28NM helicopter hit the target with "product 305" at the crossing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
      - Beautiful

      Beautiful!
      This is when we not only show, but also AboutWe distribute!
  2. TIR
    TIR 26 September 2022 17: 47
    +16
    The author is a little off topic that Vitebsk always works when missiles are launched from a helicopter. If he does not believe, he can find any video with sound. And there, immediately after launch, this phrase is always reported, which is heard on the video
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 26 September 2022 17: 51
      +2
      Quote: TIR
      The author is a little off topic that Vitebsk always works when missiles are launched from a helicopter.

      Interesting! Apparently it reacts to engine radiation.
    2. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 26 September 2022 17: 56
      +5
      the petty writer has gone now! articles are written without leaving home
      1. impostor
        impostor 26 September 2022 17: 59
        +1
        But promptly. This is also a plus. On the air about the news hangs only an hour and a half hi
        True, it is stated there that the Khinzirs were upset by the Alligator
    3. takeshi
      takeshi 26 September 2022 18: 00
      +4
      Greetings. Is Vitebsk installed on the MI-28?
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 26 September 2022 18: 27
        +3
        Quote: takeshi
        Greetings. Is Vitebsk installed on the MI-28?



        Are there any insurmountable obstacles?
    4. 1976AG
      1976AG 26 September 2022 18: 26
      +1
      Quote: TIR
      The author is a little off topic that Vitebsk always works when missiles are launched from a helicopter. If he does not believe, he can find any video with sound. And there, immediately after launch, this phrase is always reported, which is heard on the video


      You are apparently not in the know, but the voice alert is triggered when the helicopter itself is under fire, and the fact that this alert is heard on the rollers after the launch of missiles only speaks of the activity of enemy air defense. If you don’t believe me, you can find in the sources in which cases speech informants work.
      1. SSA
        SSA 26 September 2022 18: 35
        +16
        Write nonsense. "Vitebsk" reacts to a rocket torch and it does not know whether it is its own rocket or someone else's.

        Do you think the pilot is so calm knowing that a rocket is flying at him? Yes, and it enters the second round knowing that there are MANPADS somewhere? And again a launch on him and he is calm again? )))
        Though ...
        1. impostor
          impostor 26 September 2022 18: 42
          +3
          "Vitebsk" reacts to a rocket torch and does not know whether it is its own rocket or someone else's

          How? If it’s not MANPADS that works, but MLRS?
          1. SSA
            SSA 26 September 2022 20: 16
            +1
            Where does MLRS work? Who is the MLRS? ...

            What's incomprehensible here? The rocket took off from the container, flew. The "Vitebsk" detector detected radiation from the torch, issued an erroneous warning about the attack.

            When the pilot is in combat, he uses the LTC anyway.

            Basically, Vitebsk is designed to respond to sudden, ambush attacks and attacks in the rear hemisphere.
            1. impostor
              impostor 26 September 2022 20: 17
              +1
              ambush attacks and attacks in the rear hemisphere

              If it is intended for 6, why activate on your NARs? And the MLRS RS also came out with a guide - and what, all Vitebsk in the area - alarm?
              1. SSA
                SSA 26 September 2022 20: 27
                +4
                Because constructively it works in a circle.

                Suddenly you are flying calmly, and someone below and in front of you, "Stinger" starts up at you.

                Therefore, when you yourself shoot a rocket, he and her torch take it as a threat.

                Everyone knows about it and does not particularly react.
                Often, after the launch of the NAR and a 180-degree turn, Vitebsk first gives the signal "Attack from the front", and then "Attack from the back", when the helicopter turns back to its own missile.
                1. impostor
                  impostor 26 September 2022 20: 40
                  0
                  False positives disorient the crew, is it the same with the "President-S"? There may be a different level of reflection...
                  1. SSA
                    SSA 26 September 2022 21: 01
                    +1
                    If you are talking about board N1, then there can be no reflection, by definition. On the IL-96, you can’t make a turn, you can’t maneuver away from the rocket. Hope only for countermeasures that the system itself will apply.
                    Vitebsk cannot mistakenly work on an airplane, it is unlikely that the IL-96 will launch NURs or fly where missiles fly.
                    1. impostor
                      impostor 26 September 2022 21: 05
                      +1
                      Why Ilyusha, president, sir on the Mil cars of the Arctic Ocean
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 26 September 2022 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: SSA
          Write nonsense. "Vitebsk" reacts to a rocket torch and it does not know whether it is its own rocket or someone else's.

          Do you think the pilot is so calm knowing that a rocket is flying at him? Yes, and it enters the second round knowing that there are MANPADS somewhere? And again a launch on him and he is calm again? )))
          Though ...


          You yourself do not write nonsense. I told you, first read in what cases verbal informants work, and here you started to breed demagoguery.

          "Do you think the pilot is so calm knowing that a missile is flying at him?"

          And why did you decide that the pilot is absolutely calm? Due to the fact that the mat is not audible? When you sit in his place, then you will know how calm he is.

          "and he does not know whether this is his own rocket or someone else's."

          And also the torch is unknown approaching or moving away. You don’t equate yourself with Vitebsk, it will be smarter than tea.
          1. TIR
            TIR 26 September 2022 19: 32
            0
            It works on the basis of IR sensors. Even on the MiG-25 there were such sensors. They detected the aircraft by IR radiation from the engine nozzle at 20-25 km, if I'm not mistaken. Well, the system has not yet been finalized in terms of IT. Although we have IT employees almost in our hands, they have not yet earned themselves money for oil. We were unable to create a selection of targets for Vitebsk. Do not strongly believe in these "unparalleled in the world." The system is needed, but still raw. It would be possible not only to detect missiles, but also to separate which ones go from the station or past, and which ones go directly to the station. This is not a matter of hardware, but of programmers that Vitebsk did not finalize. I hope this problem will be solved in time
            1. TIR
              TIR 26 September 2022 20: 15
              0
              Yes, and then the LTC can then be upgraded so that they are on a movable turret and the shooting goes towards the missile and with subsequent departure to the side. Then it is possible to block the contour of the helicopter with a flash of the LTC and, therefore, the MANPADS will be guided 100% at the LTC. All the same, right now, MANPADS have protection against LTCs. And here, due to bright radiation, the not so bright contour of the helicopter will be hidden
          2. impostor
            impostor 26 September 2022 19: 43
            +3
            To shoot the LTC too, so it works? Is there a source of IR radiation, too, be healthy? request And after Belenko, when designing 31, were all the avionics completely shaken up?
            1. TIR
              TIR 26 September 2022 20: 10
              0
              Yes. It seems like kau at the LTC is also endlessly chattering. Usually the LTC shoots in dangerous areas where the enemy and MANPADS are possible, but many who see the recording and hear the voice are misled that the shooting of the LTC is a consequence of the work of Vitebsk, and not vice versa as it is. This system definitely needs to be improved. Somehow, on the MiG-25, they were able to make the IR direction finder give the coordinates of the source of thermal radiation. And if there are coordinates of the target, there is time, then here is the direction vector for you. And you know this is the most introductory Kursk of higher mathematics. Level 1 course of the institute. Yes, and programming a vector and a region of space is also not difficult. Most likely, Vitebsk should be modernized
              1. impostor
                impostor 26 September 2022 20: 14
                +1
                My question is, why in this case is it stupid for this electronic warfare system to reflect stupidly on multiple sources of IR all the time, isn’t it easier to stay online?
              2. SSA
                SSA 26 September 2022 20: 37
                +3
                Not certainly in that way. It calculates the angle to the source, but not the distance.

                If it is turned on in the automatic response mode, then after detecting the radiation of the rocket torch, Vitebsk itself shoots the LTC.

                This is useful if the launch is sudden and the pilot does not need to be distracted by shooting the LTC.

                And when entering a combat and attacking a target, everyone has long been firing off the LTC by default and what Vitebsk screams there is not important. If the LTCs take away the MANPADS missile, then it’s good, but if not, then Vitebsk does not solve anything here.
                1. NeRTT
                  NeRTT 26 September 2022 22: 03
                  +1
                  Does "Vitebsk" have no KOEP? In the same place, the optoelectronic suppression of the infrared seeker of a threatening missile seems to work like that ..
                  1. SSA
                    SSA 27 September 2022 10: 06
                    0
                    To be honest, I have little faith in the power of the laser effect of the image intensifier station.
                    It either does not hit, or slightly affects the GOS
          3. SSA
            SSA 26 September 2022 20: 07
            +3
            Yes, imagine, "Vitebsk" does not know whether the missile is approaching or moving away.

            I'll tell you more, he "does not see" the rocket itself. For the reason that "Vitebsk" is a detector, not a radar.

            It captures laser radiation or infrared radiation from a rocket torch within a certain radius. And not a single device in the world can measure the distance between a helicopter and a source of infrared radiation. Such computing power is available only to telescopes that calculate the approximate distance to stars using spectral analysis.
          4. Rustic
            Rustic 26 September 2022 23: 04
            +3
            And why did you decide that the pilot is absolutely calm? Due to the fact that the mat is not audible? When you sit in his place, then you will know how calm he is.
            In general, the pilot is quite calm. And judging by the dialogue, he also manages to follow what the operator is doing. It is unlikely that when attacking a helicopter, he would be distracted by this. Yes, and you can hear from his voice that he is not particularly focused on piloting.
            And by the way, about the false positives of the informant and the LTC. If the height is low, then the LTC, having ricocheted off the ground, may well fly towards the helicopter. And it is not yet known how the attack notification will react to this. Maybe that's why the pilot is calm, knowing that from under him the little ones are flying in all directions.
      2. TIR
        TIR 26 September 2022 18: 57
        +4
        Judging by these shots, and knowing that Vitebsk even fires on its own missiles, we can say that it sees any missiles within a radius of at least 10 km. I don’t think that using the 305 helicopter would take risks and go at the target behind enemy lines point-blank. There, rather, heat direction finders are like those that are put on fighters
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 26 September 2022 21: 26
          +1
          I don’t think that using the 305 helicopter would take risks and go at the target behind enemy lines point-blank.
          So it is clear that the launch is carried out from a close range. At least the MANPADS in the crossing area will be useless. At the same time, imagine where the helicopter will be at the time of arrival. He will not wait until he reaches the launch site. There the pilot may already be sitting on the ground and drinking tea.
    5. Duncan
      Duncan 26 September 2022 19: 50
      +2
      This is a serious flaw. The real attack can be missed.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 26 September 2022 17: 47
    +1
    To transfer reinforcements here, the enemy needs to overcome water barriers.
    . And what ours needs to overcome in order to normalize the situation and throw the enemy back, defeat and repel any desire to attack and ... in general, it’s understandable. What are these "barriers, ravines", what prevents ???
    1. Chronos
      Chronos 26 September 2022 18: 01
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      To transfer reinforcements here, the enemy needs to overcome water barriers.
      . And what ours needs to overcome in order to normalize the situation and throw the enemy back, defeat and repel any desire to attack and ... in general, it’s understandable. What are these "barriers, ravines", what prevents ???

      There are few people. And it is apparently unprofitable to withdraw from positions and occupy the "gut" ourselves. It's easier to unwind them there. While it looks like an analogue of "Nevsky Piglet".
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 September 2022 18: 29
        -1
        Oh, it’s better not to have such “patch” ... you read the history of the war, about such patches and ... I think you won’t experience delight.
        We must learn from the right examples, as my grandfather taught me ... and he sniffed gunpowder, in his time.
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 26 September 2022 19: 29
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Oh, it’s better not to have such “patch” ... you read the history of the war, about such patches and ... I think you won’t experience delight.
          We must learn from the right examples, as my grandfather taught me ... and he sniffed gunpowder, in his time.

          An analogue of "Nevsky Piglet" for that side.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 September 2022 20: 31
            +1
            Yes, you can only wish this on your enemy.
      2. vlad106
        vlad106 26 September 2022 18: 35
        -7
        Quote: Chronos
        There are few people. And it is apparently unprofitable to withdraw from positions and occupy the "gut" ourselves.

        Quote: Chronos
        Lack of personnel. The strategists of the NWO did not foresee that after several waves of mobilization, the number of the ukroreich would exceed the number of the RF Armed Forces in the NWO by several times


        Military registration and enlistment offices gather people very intensively
        Only Simonyasha hinted that the Caucasus almost flared up ...
        What is going on in Dagestan?
    2. AlOrg
      AlOrg 26 September 2022 18: 07
      +3
      Lack of personnel. The strategists of the NWO did not foresee that after several waves of mobilization, the number of the ukroreich would exceed the number of the RF Armed Forces in the NWO by several times
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 September 2022 18: 31
        0
        I won't discuss it...
        they will be banned again and they will not look at the "epaulettes".
        1. TIR
          TIR 26 September 2022 19: 40
          +1
          What is there to discuss? They have quite competent strategists in the General Staff. Yes, in terms of humanism, they certainly look at the Ukrainians as figures in the reports. For them, military equipment is more valuable than people, so even until September they saved up equipment, saved shells and rockets, trained soldiers, while at that time they put up terbats with machine guns and without artillery against us. Yes, they distributed ATGMs and MANPADS, but they saved up equipment. At that time, the Ukrainians were dying like flies on the front end in order to give an opportunity to gather strength with their lives. The generals of Ukraine stupidly changed the lives of soldiers for a while. That's their whole strategy for you. Now they are advancing with fresh forces, against ours, who have been fighting since February without rest.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 September 2022 20: 40
            0
            We also had enough competent experts who predicted events very accurately!
            But, there is no prophet in his own country, and the big guys sitting in high offices prefer to hear only themselves and those who speak only pleasantly for their bossy ear!
            1. TIR
              TIR 26 September 2022 20: 53
              +4
              To be honest, they didn’t want to listen to the same Strelkov here at VO either. And his main theses have now come true, or we are fulfilling them. But this is when the train left. But the problem was not in him, but in us, that they either imposed on themselves or from the outside they imposed on us the inviolability of idols and their omnipotence and all the knowledge that is. So they deluded themselves that there, at the top, they never make mistakes. And the same Strelkov went against this religion and said that they make mistakes and miscalculations there too. We would continue to reject it, but life has proven everything. But even now there are people who have not fallen from the eyes of the veil of delusions. So you need to come down from heaven to earth and start acting. Don't follow one plan
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 September 2022 21: 09
                +2
                There remains hope for ... but here are different options, who hopes for what!
                Although, hope, hope, but real actions are needed, from all sides, so that our work will improve and everyone, from top to bottom, will understand that only we ourselves are the blacksmiths of our happiness.
              2. Sarboz
                Sarboz 27 September 2022 00: 13
                0
                Quote: TIR
                So they deluded themselves that there, at the top, they never make mistakes. And the same Strelkov went against this religion and said that they make mistakes and miscalculations there too.

                Of course they will spit on me, but this religion is called "one-man management". This is an immutable principle of command and control in the troops. And it is precisely this principle that the Western intelligence services are diligently trying to destroy with the help of the CIPSO and our liberally educated intellectuals.
                Quote: TIR
                To be honest, they didn’t want to listen to the same Strelkov here at VO either. And his main theses have now come true, or we are fulfilling them.

                Were his predictions really that accurate? Just as accurate as Nostradamus' predictions are. Igor Ivanovich once in the spring predicted a large-scale counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which would end in the defeat of Russia, The Hague and the payment of reparations to Ukraine. I may not be exact on the dates, but he gave some number in May and added verbatim "deadline" beginning of June, maybe the end of June. What actually does not matter, because everything is in white light like a penny.
                And well, the summer has passed and... Flooded! Waited for the strategists in stripes! This is what Nostradamus signaled in his quatrains. But in the Nikolaev-Kherson and Zaporizhia directions, with huge losses, the "counterattack" quickly bogged down. To know not about this, the oracle broadcast in its accurate forecasts "with an open date." But then the Armed Forces of Ukraine went to probe the Kharkov direction, pushed forward, suffering monstrous losses, and the Russian group did not stand to the death and retreated to the borders at Oskol, where the "counterattack" was stopped. But here it is - a miracle, our Nostradamus did not lie. Everything matched!
                So, there was something else in the quatrain in small print about the defeat of Russia, The Hague and indemnities. But after all, the whole "office of the president" Zelensky is singing about this, about the defeat of Russia and indemnities. Well, for sure, the oracle did not lie!
                In fact, I respect everything that Igor Ivanovich did in the Donbas until Kurginyan gave him a scolding in Donetsk, hiding behind a certain character from the presidential administration. Strelkov was squeezed out of the DPR completely undeservedly. But why did Igor Ivanovich throw all his strength into opposition activities? You can not act, obeying feelings, listening only to your grievances.
      2. Kaiten
        Kaiten 26 September 2022 19: 31
        +1
        Quote from Alorg
        The strategists of the NWO did not foresee that after several waves of mobilization, the number of the ukroreich would exceed the number of the RF Armed Forces in the NWO by several times


        But Russian soldiers are strong with their high morale
  4. ASM
    ASM 26 September 2022 17: 52
    +9
    Praise to the crew, they deserved a medal. The more dill they mow, the more lives will be saved!
  5. svp67
    svp67 26 September 2022 18: 01
    +4
    The enemy vehicle stood in the middle of the crossing, blocking the passage of other enemy vehicles.
    Yes, such vehicles are removed by ramming, the next combat vehicle.
    It is strange that "Geran" has not yet been tried on these crossings
    1. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 26 September 2022 18: 30
      +4
      Yeah, on a pontoon ferry ?, I would see how you can do it, especially where there is depth.
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 September 2022 23: 25
        +1
        Quote: vkfriendly
        Yeah, on a pontoon ferry?

        What's difficult? Considering that now the pontoons are not afloat, but lie on the ground due to low water
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 26 September 2022 23: 34
          +1
          What's difficult? Considering that now the pontoons are not afloat, but lie on the ground due to low water
          The difficulty is that the crew commander thought the same about it. And he asked the operator to put the second missile in a neat place in front of the lined BMP. Tried to push something when there is a funnel before it?
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 September 2022 07: 33
            +1
            Quote from Rustic
            Tried to push something when there is a funnel before it?

            The commander of course well done. But the Ukrainians have repeatedly shown how their equipment goes through such crossings, and there almost all the pontoons are "leaky", which does not prevent the equipment from passing through them. The power of what is used on them is not enough to destroy the pontoons lethally.
            1. Rustic
              Rustic 27 September 2022 10: 40
              0
              It's not enough to break things down. But such a task apparently did not stand. The unit was destroyed, the movement was slowed down for a while. In the meantime, this and that, it is already possible to destroy the crossing by other, more suitable means. Destruction is somehow no longer the task of helicopters. They don't have the resources to do so. Whatever they could do, they did it right. Then it's up to artillery or aviation.
  6. SSA
    SSA 26 September 2022 18: 01
    +5
    Hmm ... Still, there are a few specialized people here, why write nonsense?
    "Vitebsk" erroneously reacts to the torch of its own rocket and nothing more.
    Maneuvering...
  7. YanniKounnar
    YanniKounnar 26 September 2022 18: 03
    +2
    Courageux de revenir une deuxième fois pour "finir" le travail.

    Feel free to come back a second time to "finish" the work.
    1. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 26 September 2022 18: 44
      0
      Completement d'accord... C'est courageux et tres dangereux. Mais ils sont revenus - parce qu'ils sont les gars hardis good
  8. navigator777
    navigator777 26 September 2022 18: 18
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    To transfer reinforcements here, the enemy needs to overcome water barriers.
    . And what ours needs to overcome in order to normalize the situation and throw the enemy back, defeat and repel any desire to attack and ... in general, it’s understandable. What are these "barriers, ravines", what prevents ???

    We have already overcome it, it was the fear of mobilization among our leadership. The concept of a compact professional army did not work.
    1. VOENOBOZ
      VOENOBOZ 26 September 2022 18: 55
      -1
      You know, I also considered professional forces in aviation, navy, space, but no infantry.
    2. Negruz
      Negruz 26 September 2022 19: 28
      -1
      The concept is fine...
      The "probable adversary" was incorrectly identified: NATO "by hand" through the rectum of Ukraine ....
  9. Konnick
    Konnick 26 September 2022 18: 50
    -2
    Why did the Mi-28 attack one crossing?
    1. UA3QHP
      UA3QHP 26 September 2022 19: 15
      +4
      Because there weren't many released. For such a theater of operations, several thousand helicopters are needed, and not 100 pieces. for the whole country.
    2. Negruz
      Negruz 26 September 2022 19: 30
      +3
      Why did the Mi-28 attack one crossing?
      Because helicopters from Mi-1 to Mi-27 performed other tasks ...
      hi
    3. SSA
      SSA 26 September 2022 20: 44
      0
      Because there was no goal to destroy the crossing, he just attacked as he could. And it's not because of some cunning plan. And because it’s very expensive to hit each pontoon with Iskander, we have extremely few Hurricanes and Tornadoes with GPS guidance, not like HIMARS, we don’t use CABs because air defense is not suppressed, but we don’t finish off with heavy artillery, or even if we finish off with Krasnopol ", then there is no one to highlight. We don’t have medium-high Ankichi or Reaper types.
  10. Sevan
    Sevan 26 September 2022 19: 06
    +1
    The director and chief operator are the heroes. Thanks for the work guys.
  11. alexmach
    alexmach 26 September 2022 19: 13
    +2
    Very interesting, only about the same video they report that this is a crossing over the Ingulets in the Kherson region.
  12. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 26 September 2022 19: 31
    +1
    This missile has a range of 14,5 km. What anti-aircraft fire? Do not confuse the fact of exposure with the attack itself.
    1. SSA
      SSA 26 September 2022 19: 57
      0
      There is no radiation. He reacts to the torch
      1. vovochkarzhevsky
        vovochkarzhevsky 26 September 2022 20: 25
        +2
        So it's a false positive. No one will get into the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbZA and short-range air defense systems to use missiles of such a range.
    2. Rustic
      Rustic 26 September 2022 21: 37
      +1
      This missile has a range of 14,5 km. What anti-aircraft fire? Do not confuse the fact of exposure with the attack itself.
      Exactly. And the flight time is about a minute. Provided that the rocket is controlled by the operator, where will the pilot have time to fly during this time? It certainly won't hang in place. And then for some reason everyone decided that the video was the whole attack, from three kilometers away. But in fact, the launch took place from an almost adjoining range. During the second launch, even the rocket engine managed to fully work out before hitting the target. But when working from a hill on a fixed target, this is not a problem at all.
      1. vovochkarzhevsky
        vovochkarzhevsky 27 September 2022 10: 28
        0
        Let's not enlighten you about launching guided missiles from a helicopter. Listen to yourself.
        Usually (I think the same on the Mi-24 on the Mi-28), when launching ATGMs, the speed is no more than 200 km / h (when flying in a straight line, 3 km is maximum, but making lapels up to 60 degrees and even less), this is quite enough, in order to direct the ATGM and not get into the anti-aircraft countermeasure zone.
        No one is letting ATGMs down the hill. A small slide can be performed when the helicopter is in WWI and it is necessary to rise so that the folds of the terrain do not cover the target.
        As for product 305, as far as I understand, it is possible to carry out guidance directly through the missile's camera. In this case, immediately after the launch, at least turn back on the course.
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 27 September 2022 11: 30
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          Let's not enlighten you about launching guided missiles from a helicopter.
          But let's do it, shall we? The range that you wrote 14,5 is only calculated. In such missiles, in general, the range as such is used only for an approximate determination of the launch site. For it is this missile that, if desired, is easy to "bring" back to your own helicopter. There is a flight time, no range. What, for example, on an ATGM is impossible to do in principle due to the control features. That is why, on the screen in the most prominent place, exactly the time until the end of the engine is displayed, and not something else. As for the "hill", I meant exactly the trajectory of the flight of the rocket, and not the helicopter. The helicopter can then launch this missile without the visibility of the target, and generally being hidden from the target by natural obstacles. Due to the fact that the rocket is controlled manually, it can perform quite intricate evolutions. Take a closer look at the video, the rocket comes to the target along a rather steep trajectory, it’s easier in terms of hit accuracy. But at the same time, all the time of the flight, the rocket is not at all obliged to fly along a ballistic or hinged trajectory. This is not even desirable in terms of early detection and countermeasures. Although, if desired, it is quite possible to bring it exactly on board at a minimum height. But it's much more difficult to get there. And the homing system may not work. Did you also notice that the last 500-600 meters the first rocket was already flying using a homing system?
          For the rest, you got it right. Roughly speaking, where the cross on the screen points, the rocket flies there. Using the mini joystick, the operator can move this cross wherever he pleases. At the same time, the helicopter pilot, at the same time, can do whatever he wants. It does not affect the control of the rocket in any way.
          All this information is not secret. For those who are interested, the tactics of using television-guided missiles have long been known. For in relation to such products, there is nothing close to having analogues. The United States, France, Israel, and China have such missiles. This is what I know for sure.
          1. vovochkarzhevsky
            vovochkarzhevsky 27 September 2022 11: 42
            +1
            Did I understand correctly? What can I say, for me, who launched more than a dozen ATGMs with the Mi-24 in combat conditions, your opinion is very important. laughing
            But very curious, how are you going to return the said missile back to the helicopter? what
            1. Rustic
              Rustic 27 September 2022 12: 03
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              Elementary. The missile, having described the circle, may well return to the helicopter. There are no prerequisites for this. For it is formally controlled by radio, and the television image is only for the convenience of guidance. It's like a kamikaze drone, only with more speed and less range. He flies himself, he sees where, he sees where he sees there and aims. Operator of course. That's what I'm talking about. The difference with ATGMs is quite large there in terms of guidance features. You understand that the image on the screen is the image from the missile's camera, and not from the sighting system of the helicopter. If it’s completely rude, then it’s like a virtual kamikaze. The operator sees, as it were, with the eyes of a rocket, naturally not being there himself. Pay attention to the dialogue of the crew. They performed the first launch at random, to the area of ​​the crossing. And only in the last seconds the operator saw the target in the form of an infantry fighting vehicle, and already aimed a rocket at it. For such missiles, this is a common situation. Nevertheless, homing systems are still far from human capabilities for visual target identification.
              1. vovochkarzhevsky
                vovochkarzhevsky 27 September 2022 12: 42
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                Elementary. The missile, having described the circle, may well return to the helicopter. There are no prerequisites for this. For it is formally controlled by radio, and the television image is only for the convenience of guidance. It's like a kamikaze drone, only with more speed and less range. He flies himself, he sees where, he sees where he sees there and aims. Operator of course.


                What circle? If a target is not found in a given area, the missile will simply go into self-destruction. No need to fantasize.

                The difference with ATGMs is quite large there in terms of guidance features. You understand that the image on the screen is the image from the missile's camera, and not from the sighting system of the helicopter. If it’s completely rude, then it’s like a virtual kamikaze. The operator sees, as it were, with the eyes of a rocket, naturally not being there himself. Pay attention to the dialogue of the crew. They performed the first launch at random, to the area of ​​the crossing. And only in the last seconds the operator saw the target in the form of an infantry fighting vehicle, and already aimed a rocket at it. For such missiles, this is a common situation. Nevertheless, homing systems are still far from human capabilities for visual target identification.


                Firstly, for the operator there is no fundamental difference whether to see the target through the optics of the guidance device, or through the camera on the rocket.
                Secondly, SD with a TV camera broadcasting an image to a carrier is one of the most effective. Until recently, their widespread use was limited by technological capabilities. There were no television cameras of sufficient resolution, and at the same time they were quite cheap and small. Now there is no such problem.
                1. Rustic
                  Rustic 27 September 2022 13: 45
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                  Firstly, for the operator there is no fundamental difference whether to see the target through the optics of the guidance device, or through the camera on the rocket.
                  The difference is very fundamental. For it allows, just like in the video, to launch first into the target area, and then, when the rocket approaches, find the target and hit it. At the same time, the helicopter itself can be not only outside the MANPADS zone, but also generally out of sight. Of course, there are missiles with homing. But their ability to identify and select targets is much worse, and they cost much more.
                  1. vovochkarzhevsky
                    vovochkarzhevsky 27 September 2022 23: 47
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                    Are you able to understand what you read? Or are you on your own? lol
  13. Negruz
    Negruz 26 September 2022 19: 36
    +3
    It can be said for sure that in Russia now there are the most trained crews in the world to work in conditions of countering mass air defense and space and electronic intelligence ....

    But anyway, guys: come home alive!
  14. ananias mudishev
    ananias mudishev 26 September 2022 20: 11
    +1
    I don’t understand anything at all, this crossing has been standing for several days, that there is nothing to destroy it with?
  15. JD1979
    JD1979 26 September 2022 20: 14
    +2
    Throughout the course of firing at the crossing, the Mi-28NM was attacked by anti-aircraft systems, which was constantly reported by the Vitebsk airborne defense complex.

    There is still no EMNIP on the Mi-28NM Vitebsk. It was unlikely that this was the only car where he was tested. Maybe, of course, a miracle happened, and a completely new batch was brought in, but there was no news about this. Hence the question, and not the work of the Ka-52, they are trying to pass off as the success of a tadpole.
    Well, or another option. This notification was standard for all helicopter design bureaus, and the voice notification goes to simply triggering IR sensors, and the author wrote about Vitebsk just for weight.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 September 2022 13: 05
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      Vitebsk is even on the Mi35 ... an NM should definitely be
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 27 September 2022 14: 25
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        Yes, there is, but it is not in the photo for the article. Vitebsk has modules in the form of turrets mounted on the bottom. If you see them, then the KBO is installed. But there is no Mi-28NM in any photo or video. They are on the Mi-8, 24/35 and Ka-52. What is it connected with? Don't know. Options 2 - they couldn’t make friends with the avionics, but I doubt it is now more or less unified, and if it works on other machines, then why shouldn’t it work on a tadpole? And the second option is funny and sad: there the hull is so tight and tightly packed that there is no room for additional blocks and whether the height of the clearance does not allow you to put these very turrets so that he does not sit on them.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 27 September 2022 14: 46
          +1
          The modernization will affect all the constituent elements of BKO "Vitebsk". For example, the possibilities for warning about radar and laser exposure will be significantly expanded. The target designation accuracy of the missile launch warning station will also be improved.

          It is expected that the Mi-28NM will be the first helicopter to be equipped with a new laser suppression station designed to divert attacking enemy missiles from the target. Such a station was created in 2016 and transferred for testing. After the start of its mass production, it will be installed on all helicopters of this type.

          The airborne defense complex is designed to protect aircraft and helicopters from being hit by aviation and anti-aircraft missiles. Structurally, the equipment of the complex is made in the form of blocks that can be placed both inside the fuselage of an aircraft or helicopter, and on external attachment points.
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 27 September 2022 16: 50
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            So what? this news is a hundred years old at lunchtime, and the KBO Vitebsk is fully equipped (if any) as it was not on the Mi-28 and is not. It is possible that only warning modules / stations are installed there and that's it, but without the EPS module / station - this gives information about the attack, but is useless for survival.
            That is why the Ka-52, equipped with a full set, was not hit by MANPADS despite numerous launches, and the Mi-28 (one for sure) calmly received a missile under its tail.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 27 September 2022 18: 58
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              Vitebsk does not save from British anti-aircraft guns ....
              1. JD1979
                JD1979 27 September 2022 21: 33
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                yes, only from MANPADS with IR heads
  16. ComVzvoda_ST
    ComVzvoda_ST 26 September 2022 20: 19
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    According to the media's coming out, 5 of our vehicles were shot down yesterday, including the SU-34, right? (((
  17. Arkady007
    Arkady007 26 September 2022 20: 29
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    I liked how calmly and confidently ours work.
  18. Pattor
    Pattor 26 September 2022 20: 47
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    Went well and most importantly hit. Keep it up
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 September 2022 13: 04
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    I wonder if there will be an anti-tank option? A volume of so many KGs is not needed in a warhead ....... 5-10kg is enough for a cumulative.