Turkish Foreign Minister: President of the Russian Federation in a conversation with Erdogan announced the possibility of resuming negotiations with Ukraine, but in the light of new realities

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu spoke about the talks held in Samarkand between the Russian and Turkish leaders. Recall that the SCO summit was recently held in this city of Uzbekistan, where Recep Tayyip Erdogan also flew.

According to Mevlut Cavusoglu, during the talks between the presidents, there was also talk about the possibility of resuming Russian-Ukrainian negotiations.

Cavusoglu:

Vladimir Putin, in a conversation with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, announced the possibility of returning to negotiations with Kyiv. But, according to Putin, already on other conditions, in the light of new realities.

After that, the head of the Turkish Foreign Ministry spoke about the fact that every day the resumption of negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv is becoming more and more difficult.

The new realities in this case probably mean the holding of referendums in the liberated territories. Recall that the holding of plebiscites ends on September 27. To date, they have been recognized as valid in all the territories where they were held. Thus, more than 75% of registered citizens voted in the DPR and LPR, and more than 50% in Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.

Turkey understands that after the referendums, Russia will already rule out the issue of “returning” the territories of Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions to the jurisdiction of Kyiv. The reason is simple - these regions in the coming days can officially become part of the Russian Federation based on the results of referendums.

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[tralflot1832]

Erdogan is already late, the fate of the country is now being decided at the talks between Putin VV and Lukashenko AG. Everyone has arrived, the bobby is dead.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: tralflot1832

Erdogan is already late, the fate of the country is now being decided at the talks between Putin VV and Lukashenko AG. Everyone has arrived, the bobby is dead.

He has not yet graved students, old people and women, the task of the owners has not been completed, he will run away anyway.

[Bumblebee_3]

ARIONkrsk (Alexander)
Zelya will run away, I'm sure of this .. But what to do with the population that remains? Can you even for a second imagine what a mine Zelya laid, with a war "to the last Ukrainian"7 That Russia will win, I'm sure of that! Let's now consider this situation: Lviv is a Russian city. Lviv region within the Russian Federation. A child in the Lviv region, who is now 7-10 years old, will ask his mother: Where is my dad? What do you think his mother will tell him about jumping on the Maidan? About chants: Muscovites to Gilyaks, Muscovites to knives? Mom will tell you how the Russian language was banned? How was the Donbass bombed? Not! She will say: your father was killed by the Russians! And do you think that this child will "burn with love" for Russia? The longer the WBO lasts, the worse the consequences! Will Ukrainian mothers forget the death of their sons? You are sure that they will curse Zelensky, who threw them into the "meat grinder". I think they will curse us Russians!

[Rustic]

Child, in the Lviv region,

They have nothing to do in the Lviv region. Let my toilets ask questions in Poland.

[Bumblebee_3]

Rustic
It turns out that L.P. Beria was right when he resettled entire peoples.

[Rustic]

And you do not confuse the peoples with the Nazis and their accomplices.

[Bumblebee_3]

Quote from Rustic

And you do not confuse the peoples with the Nazis and their accomplices.

It's like: the entire population of Germany was not a people?

[Rustic]

Is it true that the entire population of Germany were Nazis? Did you personally check? Or do you care, just to justify the Nazis? Is he also one of these?

[Jackson]

Well, at 45 in Germany, ours somehow solved this issue ... I agree, we are now far from the Soviet Union, but still ... There would be a desire ... But will it be?

[Bumblebee_3]

Jackson (Eugene)
The mentality of the Germans is different from the mentality of the Westerners. Until what year did they drive through the forests of the UPA? Was there something similar in the GDR?

[Jackson]

There would be a desire. And strength ... Nobody canceled the method of carrot and stick. But I'm afraid that if nothing changes in the management and planning of this so-called "special operation", then there will be nothing to talk about ... At the moment, the development of events is not at all encouraging ...

[Alexei]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

A child in the Lviv region, who is now 7-10 years old, will ask his mother: Where is my dad? What do you think his mother will tell him about jumping on the Maidan? About chants: Muscovites to Gilyaks, Muscovites to knives? Mom will tell you how the Russian language was banned? How was the Donbass bombed? Not! She will say: your father was killed by the Russians! And do you think that this child will "burn with love" for Russia?

Not only will he flare up, but he will also go to war with Europe when he grows up.

[vik669]

In the late 80s, in Kharkov, at work, I already saw Russian-Ukrainian phrasebooks, though with a signature stamp of chipboard, and in Lviv, after work, it came to songs - so the Ukrainians sang everything and the Russians began so the locals and fell silent, they say we don’t know the words, and the men were all over 20 tet and everything with VO so both moms and dads were already there ...!

[Bumblebee_3]

Quote: vik669

In the late 80s in Kharkov at work I already saw Russian-Ukrainian phrasebooks, though with a chipboard stamp

I lived in Kharkov for 25 years. I have never seen a speaker. Mostly everyone spoke Russian. There were conversations with an "admixture" of Ukrainian words, such as: about razmov, balakai ... Before the collapse of the USSR, I did not see much hostility. And "Long live our independent Ukraine" began in the 90s.

[vik669]

I have never seen phrasebooks - because chipboard is "for official use" and not for free sale, especially in the 80s of the XX century before the Maidan and lace panties!

[vik669]

I lived in Kharkov for 25 years - and from 1975 to 1990 I visited all of both eastern and western Ukraine many times and often - I saw and heard a lot back in 1975 - “that’s a Muscovite” so “we swam, we know”!

[solar]

In the late 80s in Kharkov at work I already saw Russian-Ukrainian phrasebooks, though with a chipboard stamp

You are intrigued. Why chipboard?

[Bumblebee_3]

Quote: Alexej

Not only will he flare up, but he will also go to war with Europe when he grows up.

So these are now the grandchildren of the "Heroes of Ukraine", when they grew up, they are at war with Europe ???

[Al manah]

Yeah, with Europe - against Russia, for sure.

[Bumblebee_3]

Well, after all, there were no clarifications from Alexei

[Al manah]

I agree, there is room for interpretation.

[YarSer88]

Propaganda made them hate us, propaganda can make them love us. Only competent propaganda is needed, and not another Konashenkov ... We are at war with East Asia, and we have always fought with East Asia. Do you understand? It was the United States, with the help of Zelensky, who sold with giblets, that your husbands were driven to slaughter, your enemy is not Russia, but the United States ...

[Alexander Salenko]

And what do you suggest? This is what that mother thought when the Donbass was bombed, I saw children who, during the flight of the plane, fell and covered their heads with their hands. It seems to me that you bother with unnecessary problems. The issue of Russia's security was on the agenda, and negotiations were held about this and it did not work out, does it occur to you?

[Bumblebee_3]

Alexander Salenko (Alexander)
If you asked me a question, I will answer. It was very far from my mother! It didn't concern her! She didn't get bombs on her head. She was told that only bandits live there, traitors to her native Ukraine! After all, Russia conducted military operations in Chechnya? So here, we pacify the traitors! That's what they told that mother. And they began to assert that Bandera and Shukhevych were the heroes of Ukraine and all the time they lived under the yoke of Muscovites. "There will be no oppression of Muscovites - we will become the second France!!" So she was told.
Regarding the negotiations, my opinion is that any negotiations with Ukraine are a betrayal of Russia!

[Alexander Salenko]

Shake your hand I also think Curva mother, a short post can not be sent, now the stupid system is happy?

[BABAY22]

But because there is nothing for Lviv to do as part of Russia. Russia is not Rezinovsk. Let there be a sanitary buffer zone, some kind of Ukrainian Democratic Republic with strict subordination to Moscow. And so that there in Lviv, from kindergarten, it was hammered into your head how bad it is to be a Nazi, and that Ukraine was once a Nazi state.

[Igor17]

We have already done this in Germany, we managed it.

[chetvertak]

We must stop laughing at Ze! After all, no one laughs at Hitler and his team. Ze and his team covered everything with blood and death. Zelehunta 100% fulfilled the war with the Russian Federation. Regardless of the fact that Ukraine partially loses in territories and in people. And what did the political leadership of the Russian Federation gain from Ukraine with the Minsk Treaty in 7 years and the non-recognition of the LDNR? Complete zero Even D. Kozak said that the Minsk agreement had been at zero since 2015 .. The British and the United States perfectly prepared the Zelekhunt, the national battalions and the defense around the LDNR. But our command after Kharkov turned out to be depressing. We must look at reality and critically, what happened in over 7 years ago in Ukraine to the NWO and how our idea changed when partial mobilization broke out. And after it there will be full mobilization. That's what the British, the United States, and Zele did. The Russian Federation mobilized even more and killed
Yes! we won a little territory! but there are still 500 thousand square kilometers left. And this draws on 5 million mobilized in the Russian Federation

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from ARIONkrsk

He has not yet graved students, old people and women, the task of the owners has not been completed, he will run away anyway.

What will run away is not a fact. Maybe they will freeze theirs.
And what about

Vladimir Putin, in a conversation with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, announced the possibility of returning to negotiations with Kyiv. But, according to Putin, already on other conditions, in the light of new realities.

the point of no return has been passed.
No negotiation.
Russia will not tolerate negotiations. Or it won't.
The choice is not great.

[AAK]

Yes, they’ve already pulled up with their “negotiation processes”, haven’t they swallowed shit with Butches, grain hubs and “exchanges”, no will and shame, they are twisting their asses all the time ... so you look, and some people are negotiating to The Hague, but we’re back can't turn it on...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: AAK

Yes, they’ve already pulled up with their “negotiation processes”, haven’t they swallowed shit with Butches, grain hubs and “exchanges”, no will and shame, they are twisting their asses all the time ... so you look, and some people are negotiating to The Hague, but we’re back can't turn it on...

That's right.
But our "back" and someone's ass for The Hague are different matters.
Everyone gets what they want/deserve.

[ARIONkrsk]

Empty words are being poured from empty to empty, our demands have been voiced and will only be tougher, the nonsense of the Ukrainian Reich is also known, negotiations are not needed, only surrender and it is clear whose.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from ARIONkrsk

Empty words are being poured from empty to empty, our demands have been voiced and will only be tougher, the nonsense of the Ukrainian Reich is also known, negotiations are not needed, only surrender and it is clear whose.

To whom the requirements are clear, to whom not.
Whether those who voiced it are clear is another question.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Yes, this Mevlyutka lies like a gray gelding!

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: AAK

but we can’t turn on the back ...

Where to..
The ghost of M. Gaddafi (his monstrous death) will not let our "turn on the back".
If only...
The negotiation process (any and no matter with whom) does not fit the last of the Khasavyurt disgrace, Berezovsky's protégé.

R. Abramovich can save the mercenaries (43 Israeli-Donbass executioners, British and Moroccans), then he gave them iPhones and fed them tiramisu.
He can also, as then in Istanbul, make "goodwill gestures."
But the fate of M. Gaddafi does not threaten him.
Although he represented (unofficially) the interests of the Russian Federation in Istanbul, he is an Israeli citizen.

https://t.me/iistrelkov/219357

[Vladimir M]

This is bad, that nothing threatens Abramovich. So you can lose the country, all this happened in 1905, and in 1914-1916, and in the 90s of the last century.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Comrade Kim

The ghost of M. Gaddafi (his monstrous death) will not let our "turn on the back".
If only...

Yes, there was a hint at the time.
Visual.
But to understand it you need to have brains.
And where is the conscience!

[evgen1221]

And what about the referendums little bad happened? What are these (new) realities only looping in referendums?

[Egoza]

Quote: evgen1221

What are these (new) realities looping only in referendums?

Oh how I don't like it! Negotiations, referendums ... no matter how they turned off the NWO on what they had already occupied. But what about denazification?!!! Let western Ukraine and Europe lick there, but what about the rest of the territories? leave like that?

[Alexander Salenko]

Ukraine will not let us, and our victory will be unconvincing.

[evgen1221]

In principle, the entry of new regions into the Russian Federation, in theory, can stop the war. Because now de juro the Sumerians are at war with us and we did not declare them (we help and they extinguish the rebellion in their country, de jure it is). But attacking the Russian Federation directly, this will already be a different alignment, as well as assistance with weapons from Europe in attacking the Russian Federation (for this, you can get de jure and de facto with a candillabra). The next step I see is the recognition of Sumeria as a terrorist state, and since they cannot resist provocations and terrorist attacks, we can also carry out a counter-terrorist operation in the remaining territory of Sumeria. Vrochem with the advent of cold weather, support from Europe should collapse, because the Eurekas will have their own fun, and the amers have the time to privatize the Europeans' industrial production. And the Sumerians? But who will remember about them when in Europe they will be busy with more pressing matters. Yes, and the industrial production of Sumeria for self-feeding is not very unlike debts. But at least by mobilizing the rear in the regions they will thoroughly clean the rest before the spring occupation
Sumerian regions of interest to us.

[Paul Siebert]

Who about what, and lousy everything about the bath ...
Awww, Mavlyutka!...
We are mobilizing.
Somehow it does not fit with the desire to negotiate? ...

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Awww, Mavlyutka!...
We are mobilizing.
How - that does not fit with the desire to negotiate?

And what is there for them? They like to look like peacekeepers...

[dementor873]

I’m wondering, even if all sorts of Abramovichs had pushed through the negotiations on new borders, how would they persuade the Ukrainians not to shell their former territories? Something I strongly doubt that permanent shelling of the Russian Federation of the type of 8 years would benefit the current government.

[Chronos]

Quote: dementor873

I’m wondering, even if all sorts of Abramovichs had pushed through the negotiations on new borders, how would they persuade the Ukrainians not to shell their former territories? Something I strongly doubt that permanent shelling of the Russian Federation of the type of 8 years would benefit the current government.

In theory, the introduction of UN peacekeepers from the armies of neutral countries to the border. Not all missions are miserable, but a full-fledged military contingent. Of course, the FSB guards the border from our side.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

As you know, "loot conquers evil."
However, good it wins faster, easier and easier.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

There can be only one negotiation - the capitulation of the Zelensky regime. But NATO will not agree to this. If only not another "obscene peace": otherwise, after every Turkish negotiation, it's a complete betrayal!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

after every Turkish talks, a complete betrayal!

Betrayal and beyond these negotiations before and more.

[Uprun]

No, everything is according to plan, remember the words of the GDP, each subsequent proposal will be tougher than the previous one ..., something like that ....

[MrFYGY]

I have more faith in Erdogan than Putin. Lies will be less

[Alexander Salenko]

Go to church with faith. I personally believe only those whom I have known for a long time, and then a mistake comes out.

[Old Horseradish]

How is the mood of the British mercenaries? Do they have a good time in Turkey? What are Roma Abramovich's next creative plans? When and where to expect his next podlyany?

[Jackson]

To hell with him, with this Roma ... The bad thing is that he is not doing this himself, but he was asked about this by the type of "our", the Russian side ..

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Old Fuck

What are Roma Abramovich's next creative plans? When and where to expect his next podlyany?

"Wallet" is not capable of podlyany.
Zero doubts.

[opposite28]

According to Mevlut Cavusoglu, during the talks between the presidents, there was also talk about the possibility of resuming Russian-Ukrainian negotiations.

Cavusoglu:
Vladimir Putin, in a conversation with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, announced the possibility of returning to negotiations with Kyiv. But, according to Putin, already on other conditions, in the light of new realities.

It is not good to eavesdrop on the conversation of elders.

[former soldier]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

Where is my dad? What do you think his mother will tell him about jumping on the Maidan? About chants: Muscovites to Gilyaks, Muscovites to knives? Mom will tell you how the Russian language was banned? How was the Donbass bombed? Not! She will say: your father was killed by the Russians! And do you think that this child will "burn with love" for Russia? The longer the WBO lasts, the worse the consequences!

So so. Mankind has been fighting for as long as it exists. They kill and maim each other for imaginary and real values. The borders of states wander back and forth, and even states disappear altogether. And the questions that you have just listed have always arisen. But people do not want to live only questions. Human life is too short to be tormented only by these questions and answers. Defks want to love and give birth, and they don’t care about ideology at all. Well, there are, of course, stubborn Joan of Arc, but their time is passing. Negative European history a hundred years ago. How many wars and conflicts have there been during this time. And what are the avengers chasing each other across Europe?

[Bumblebee_3]

Quote: Former soldier

Defks want to love and give birth, and they don’t care about ideology at all.

Was Z. Kosmedimyanskaya also not up to ideology? Or has her time passed?

Quote: Former soldier

But people do not want to live only questions.

Unfortunately, people always ask questions: why is it so, and not otherwise.
Yes, they don’t chase, but there is always a feeling of hostility towards this or that nation (nationality).

[rocket757]

Turkish Foreign Minister: President of the Russian Federation in a conversation with Erdogan announced the possibility of resuming negotiations with Ukraine, but in the light of new realities

. TALKS ABOUT WHAT??? It is possible to express in more detail, specifically, the goals and objectives of some kind of negotiations ???

[composite]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

Quote from Rustic

And you do not confuse the peoples with the Nazis and their accomplices.

It's like: the entire population of Germany was not a people?

Bumblebee, do not break mosg bots.
It's not humanitarian.

[former soldier]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

Unfortunately, people always ask questions: why is it so, and not otherwise.
Yes, they don’t chase, but there is always a feeling of hostility towards this or that nation (nationality).

I have already written that if this is for centuries, then the European peoples should only do what to make claims to each other to take revenge forever. The reality is quite different - there is a "United States of Europe". I won’t say that they live very well together, but there is a compromise. And ordinary people have long been all mixed up. As in Russia, no matter who you dig deep into the roots, so what kind of peoples are not mixed.

[guest]

No, you should always be ready to negotiate the surrender of Ukraine, but all other negotiations with Bandera are useless and very harmful.

[HattinGokbori88]

Erdogan is probably the most independent non-superpower president in the world. He has a mind of his own and is not shy about pointing the finger at the wrong decision of both NATO and Putin. He publicly accused NATO of provoking Russia to the point where war was inevitable, accused NATO of planning to use Ukraine as a proxy against Russia after the war broke out. But he also reminded Russia that it promised to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity in 1992, said Russia should confine itself to the territories it occupied in 2014, and Turkey would continue to morally and diplomatically support Ukraine if Russia did not. (a position that earned him great hatred in this forum. Many Russians expected him to be a silent ally or (maybe a puppet) like Lukashenka).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzCCSmm3Ok

But his biggest failure is that he was unable to raise a generation on the ideology in which he was raised. Thus, Turkey could fall back into the era of corrupt, anti-Muslim, Western puppet leaders once he dies.

[Uncle AU]

Zadolbali already about the possibility of negotiations. Fuck not needed.
The hero city of Odessa has not yet been liberated.