“Now let’s all go home from here”: some details of the shooting at the military registration and enlistment office of Ust-Ilimsk appeared

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“Now let’s all go home from here”: some details of the shooting at the military registration and enlistment office of Ust-Ilimsk appeared

There are some details of the shooting in the military registration and enlistment office of the city of Ust-Ilimsk, Irkutsk region. Information was confirmed that a 25-year-old local resident opened the fire. He is the prime suspect. His name is called - Ruslan Zinin. According to recent reports, he is unemployed.

Journalists went to Zinin's mother. The woman said that her son "was very worried that the summons from the draft board came to his friend." According to the woman, after that he began to behave uneasily. It is not reported that Zinin himself could have been called on the agenda.



As a result, he came to the recruiting office with a kind of sawn-off shotgun, from which he fired shots.

Eyewitnesses report that before the attacker started shooting, he stated the following:

Now let's all go home from here.

Recall that, according to sources, Zinin fired at least 5 shots. Now it turns out how weapons how many shots were fired and how long the events unfolded and whether only this sawn-off shotgun was used for shooting.

Wounded as a result of the shooting, the head of the Ust-Ilimsk military enlistment office, Alexander Eliseev, is in intensive care.

A criminal case has been opened on this fact.
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  1. -4
    26 September 2022 11: 14
    Yes, and no one knocked the self-propelled gun out of the hands of the bastard ....
    1. +4
      26 September 2022 11: 19
      Someone managed to film what happened....
      Shooting at school in Izhevsk, there are dead
    2. +11
      26 September 2022 11: 51
      Funny discussion. And would you beat it?
      1. +29
        26 September 2022 12: 04
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Funny discussion. And would you beat it?

        With your foot, without getting up from the couch, aiming through the computer monitor. Easily!
        1. +3
          26 September 2022 13: 43
          Quote: Piramidon
          With your foot, without getting up from the couch, aiming through the computer monitor. Easily!

  2. +4
    26 September 2022 11: 15
    There is nothing to comment on here. A crime has been committed. Reasons? Yes, no matter what, you can’t kill a person
  3. +12
    26 September 2022 11: 17
    Kukuha went, in this confusion with the mobilization, this fool would have got a machine gun.
    1. +10
      26 September 2022 11: 22
      ... and then a mass execution of colleagues could have happened. it turns out that it’s good that the shooter didn’t get to the machine gun (that he wasn’t sent to the army).
      1. +14
        26 September 2022 11: 25
        And how many of the same, who will get there? If you row everyone in a row, then you can get such a "replenishment" from which the regular army will have to keep all-round defense.
        1. -4
          26 September 2022 12: 08
          I think that conscripts go through psychologists at the medical board.
          1. +6
            26 September 2022 12: 16
            Are you seriously? Do we have enough psychologists and psychiatrists for a full examination of 300 thousand replenishment in a matter of days? Unless formally, and even then - given the level of motivation of many mobilized, the number of those trying to mow down may turn out to be such that a formal examination on the principle of "are there any complaints? No complaints, healthy, fit" will have to be canceled - there will be too many complaints.
    2. +9
      26 September 2022 11: 31
      Confusion with mobilization? Numerous staff cuts in the military commissariats have led to the fact that the professional qualities of employees there have deteriorated. Even in peacetime, they did their job somehow, but then it fell apart ... This is not an excuse, but an explanation. But you have to turn to yourself. According to the law, the reservist is obliged to report to the military enlistment office data on changes in the place of residence and marital status. I confess, for the entire time I was in the reserve, I turned to the military registration and enlistment office about this - only once. Without a mark from the military registration and enlistment office, they did not give out the keys to the new apartment. And there were many different things.
      1. +19
        26 September 2022 11: 41
        Well - so we were told for 30 years that, like, an army on conscription is supposedly Soviet savagery, from now on everything will be on the cutting edge, professional contract soldiers are fighting, and you are not needed in the troops in FIG. Hence the Serdyukovian defeat of the military registration and enlistment offices. Within the framework of such a concept, they seem to be unnecessary. True, for some reason, it struck like thunder - it was the people who began to shave, and not any security officials, of whom we already have almost half of the male population .. Apparently - they are desperately needed at home, unlike us orphans .. And of course - they immediately went jamb shaft. And how else with such layouts? If no one seems to have prepared military registration and enlistment offices for this?
        1. +2
          26 September 2022 11: 49
          Quote: paul3390
          Hence the Serdyukov defeat of the military registration and enlistment offices

          Yes, well, everyone has love for him ??? except for him - none of the generals spoiled something ????
          He was not even in the project - when in our district from the military registration and enlistment office in 1998 made an accounting table for the umpteenth time in 2 weeks a woman came. Catch her is called ..
          And just before Serdyukov, the military registration and enlistment office was again returned - stripped down, but in place
          1. +8
            26 September 2022 11: 52
            Serdyukov is just a personalization of certain processes. This makes people feel more comfortable. Type as we say Gaidarism. It is clear - that not only a particular person is to blame, there is a whole bunch of participants there, but - it is customary in Russia to designate all sorts of upheavals by the names of the most distinguished.
        2. +8
          26 September 2022 12: 47
          Quote: paul3390
          True, for some reason, it struck like thunder - it was the people who began to shave, and not any security officials, of whom we already have almost half of the male population ..

          Once again I repeat with a rhetorical question ... Where is our regular army? Where, for example, is the 76th Pskovskaya, 336th Bialystokskaya? At the exercises? And we will coordinate and train farmers and office plankton.
      2. 0
        26 September 2022 13: 01
        Can anyone explain the difference between "reserve" and "reserve"?
        I was told that they are slightly different things.
        1. +2
          26 September 2022 13: 15
          Quote: Zamira
          Can anyone explain the difference between "reserve" and "reserve"?
          I was told that they are slightly different things.

          These are completely different things. We now like to talk about the conscription of "Reservists" ... A reservist in Israel, for example, is a person who is paid a certain amount every month, periodically he goes through military training and, if necessary, he knows where he needs to arrive. No military office. But with us, yes, they call all those in the reserve with some kind of fright reservists ...
          1. +3
            26 September 2022 13: 44
            a reservist in Israel does not receive any monthly payments hi
            1. 0
              26 September 2022 14: 50
              Quote: miru mir
              a reservist in Israel does not receive any monthly payments hi

              I heard so. The rest is right?
              1. 0
                26 September 2022 15: 20
                otherwise so. MO sends a prescription and that's it.
          2. +3
            26 September 2022 14: 12
            Reservists in Switzerland, they even have an army rifle at home.
            1. +3
              26 September 2022 15: 25
              There are reservists in our country too - welcome, just ... there are no fools. In the sense of such patriotic citizens who are ready to be reservists - write an application, pass a medical examination, sign a contract - and be ready to be called into the army
              If you don't believe me - that is, a fascinating reading - the Federal Law "On military duty and military service" dated 28.03.1998/53/1. No. 57.1-FZ, Section VIII.57.2, articles 57.7, XNUMX and XNUMX...
              It is strange that so few ardent patriots of the denazifications are in the reserve ...
              1. +1
                26 September 2022 18: 58
                I would sign up, but I have been living for the 7th decade. They won’t even take riders, although health allows request
                1. -1
                  27 September 2022 00: 38
                  Sorry then, I didn't mean to offend anyone. Even if the person doesn't think like me. Health to your seventh from my fifth ... :)
          3. +2
            26 September 2022 15: 32
            It's out of fear...
            It's easy to talk, it's scary to sign up for the reserve yourself
            In the literal sense - in our country there is a mobilization human reserve, for admission to which you need to conclude a contract on staying in the reserve
            In this case, the reservist receives MONEY
            At the same time from 69 to 33 thousand at the conclusion of the contract, monthly from 10 to 3 thousand - during the time of being in reserve, from 27 to 25 thousand - for each month at the training camp ...
            If you don't believe me, read the federal law "On military duty and military service" dated March 28.03.1998, 53. No. 1-FZ, Section VIII.57.1, articles 57.2, 57.7 and XNUMX...
            The only problem is that there are not very many who want .... It’s even strange, given the general size of patriotism in our country
            1. ada
              0
              26 September 2022 17: 16
              Quote: yakisam
              ...Only problem is...

              I will support, but the problem is that this is a catastrophic mistake of the VPR for the sake of political changes in the country in the 90s.
          4. +1
            26 September 2022 16: 06
            I'll try. The reserve has only an age category. He has no military registration specialties. Refers to the entire population of the Russian Federation, which, by age, health status, education, can be mobilized and sent for training and formation of military units in the event of a GENERAL mobilization. Stock (Gpvz). "Citizens in reserve" - ​​a category that has completed active military service in the Armed Forces (power structures), educational institutions, possibly completed training camps, retraining and has a military registration specialty (VUS). It has different categories of validity: age, state of health, education, terms of service, position during service (study), fees. Something like this.
            1. ada
              0
              26 September 2022 17: 12
              Don't try, it didn't work. There is legislation in the field of defense and normative legal acts of state officials and government decisions in its execution. Everything is written there. On the Internet, you can find closely reliable information presented in a simpler language. The rest of the questions are closed.
              1. 0
                26 September 2022 20: 06
                Where is the law, sir? Didn't work for you? Have you at least read the law on universal military duty, or at least held it in your hands? Maybe you visited the military commissariat about the collective military registration and are familiar with the governing documents? Or do you know what a mobilization room is at the headquarters of a reduced regiment? In addition to unfounded aplomb, your comment did not shine, just like the opus below on the professionalism and material support of the commissariats, clearly copied from the methodological recommendations of the internal document flow.
                1. ada
                  0
                  26 September 2022 22: 33
                  Well, I'm sorry, of course, if I offended you hi Excuse me, a lot of things are being published now, I could not restrain myself. Usually, I don't break down.
                  For questions:
                  defense legislation contains the answer to the question about the "Zamira" reserve in the posts above, she was also answered there about the "Mobilization Human Reserve" and this is not what you had in mind, currently the MR is divided into two components, roughly - the reserve and stock, look at the answers above, but rather go to the topic about mobilization:
                  https://topwar.ru/196813-nuzhna-li-mobilizacija.html#comment-id-12546156
                  there is Comrade.
                  Sedoy (Sedoy)
                  May 30, 2022, please read at the end of the topic, I added there, you will understand (preparation is felt);
                  yes, it didn’t work out for me (excuse me), I think that for other readers too, that’s why I cut it;
                  yes, I was guided by the laws in my work (the term "universal VO" is familiar to me as obsolete - Law of the USSR of 12.10.1967/1950/10.04.1989 N XNUMX-VII (as amended of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX) "On universal military duty", repealed);
                  I even lived in VK periodically, the term "collective VU" is not familiar to me, only "VU" (detailing is in the nature of classified information), apparently it was not allowed to this, respectively. and did not get acquainted with the docks (I suspect that the term is not currently valid);
                  information that became known to me in the service, not covered and published openly - I do not distribute (I have a corresponding obligation);
                  the term "mobile room" is currently jargon, the modern structure is different (finally lived there);
                  no, not that source, I do not disclose, more precisely - independently from the head and the remnants of memory, which is allowed.
                  Yes, and - I'm not sir, and I don't even know what that means, but for sure - not him, not.
                  With respect to the people sotv. specializations hi
                  1. +1
                    27 September 2022 12: 47
                    Nothing much to apologize for, but thank you for your courtesy. I wrote in an accessible form (for elementary school) without delving into legislation and a lot of fundamental documents at the request of a member of the forum. "Jargon" within the limits of censorship, I consider it quite acceptable, especially in the professional field.
                    Sir, madam - male and female polite form of address to the interlocutor, used in the Russian Empire. History See also Notes Links History |. It came from the word sovereign or sovereign by discarding the first syllable. The terms were used when referring to a single person without a surname or position, such as "Excuse me, sir."
                    "Collective VU" - the wording that I encountered in the course of the corresponding official activity. I will read the links. Currently used what I quoted. Sincerely hi
      3. ada
        +1
        26 September 2022 16: 37
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        ... led to the fact that the professional qualities of the staff there deteriorated. ...

        Not quite so, to be more precise, the overall quality of work has decreased, as well as potential opportunities, but professional knowledge, skills and abilities have changed quite unevenly. There are many factors, but there are also defining and necessary ones. For readers who may be interested, I will give:
        national defense legislation and its relevance;
        tasks and place of the VC in the structure of the Armed Forces and relations with the authorities;
        distribution of tasks and structure of the VCs themselves, their OShS;
        dislocation, distribution by territories, the number of VC and their elements; equipment and equipping of the VC with stationary, mobile and portable technical means, including advanced ones (means of warning, communication and information transfer, telecommunications, automated control systems, maintenance of RChR and property of the RCBZ, fire fighting, FVU cleaning and air conditioning, documentation (multiplication, copying, mapping , laminating, fingerprinting, etc.) storage and destruction of documents, prohibition and access control, security and surveillance, detention and isolation, medical devices and storage of medications, disinfection and maintenance of instruments, provision of medical care, AS and psychological analysis tools, food storage nutrition, cooking and distribution of food, storage equipment for clothing, backup sources of heat, water supply, power supply and lighting of the area);
        suitability, the condition of workplaces, premises (especially special, long-term stays (with the organization of rest (sleep), assembly halls), buildings and structures, territories and fences, the presence of shelters and protective structures, sewerage by fixed communication lines, electricity supply, gas supply, heat supply, water supply and sewerage, sanitary facilities and plumbing fixtures, opportunities for their maintenance, repair, retrofitting and development;
        information support and document management,
        material support;
        financial security;
        transport support;
        personnel policy and the level of remuneration; vocational training on a planned basis;
        experience of employees (including military service);
        upbringing;
        health and medical care.
        Here's a sneak peek. Estimate, is it possible to throw out at least something from this? And to underestimate?
        I would add motor transport, traumatic and personal weapons, signal mines.
        According to the grandmothers mentioned everywhere. Take my word for it, there are people with a Soviet level of education who have gained such experience in solving everyday practical issues over 30-40 years and have such a level of training that modern legal advisers are sent to consult with them. There are also younger generations responsibly fulfilling their own and not only duties.
        I can’t help but notice that those who want to “warm places”, with a sufficient degree of material, administrative and criminal liability, are especially not visible when the salary of an “assistant” is 7-8 thousand rubles, while the allowances do not significantly affect the level of payment, with the exception of those entitled to 40% for the length of service, which results in 12 - 13 thousand rubles.
        But what if you have to work on the explosives, in certain periods, around the clock with the organization of night rest - at least 4 hours of sleep?
        In general, I would say that this is not some isolated case, but obvious manifestations
        the fact that the "professional qualities of the people" of being a people have decreased among the people to the level of "population" and this is what requires a cardinal and long-term solution. With VK, everything is solved in a shorter time.
        Addition: Sometimes I meet acquaintances from VK, I ask - "How are you, are you working?" Recently, my old friend answered - "Yes, we are still volunteering." I don't think it's necessary to explain.
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  4. +10
    26 September 2022 11: 17
    There is hope that Alexander Eliseev will live. According to the social network of Ust Ilimsk, there is infa that his heart is not hurt. Doctors are fighting for his life. There is hope.
    1. +6
      26 September 2022 11: 31
      God bless! There is still shooting at school in Izhevsk, damn it, soon I will believe in a worldwide conspiracy.
      1. ada
        0
        26 September 2022 13: 07
        Quote: ASAD
        ... soon I will believe in a worldwide conspiracy.

        To believe or not to believe is closer to religious insinuations about individual characters who are depicted with a halo, and the "world conspiracy" is already broadcast live, and they were not very secretive before, which means:
        or sufficiently strengthened and spread;
        or they were "pinned".
    2. +2
      26 September 2022 14: 36
      Yes. Half an hour ago, the condition was stable. The governor sent a medical team from Irkutsk by plane, but so far nothing has been heard about them. IMHO, we have bad weather.
    3. +2
      26 September 2022 16: 20
      Irkutsk doctors landed in Bratsk, drove along the highway. But ours had an operation in the afternoon, the people of Irkutsk approved. Eliseev is now in intensive care, his condition is stable.
      1. 0
        26 September 2022 16: 29
        Thank you! Healthy Russia together with Alexander Eliseev. God forbid that his body endure, the doctors are doing everything they can.
        1. +1
          26 September 2022 17: 25
          God bless! My wife is personally acquainted with Alexander Vladimirovich. He considers him a right and honest man.
  5. -1
    26 September 2022 11: 17
    There are many psychos, voluntarily-compulsorily, now the poor fellow will be treated.
    1. +3
      26 September 2022 11: 22
      Yes, they will heal ... and he will have a separate "chamber" somewhere in the "Black Dolphin", well, or in the "Polar Owl" ....
      1. +2
        26 September 2022 11: 33
        Such people are sent to a strict regime psychiatric hospital.
        1. +2
          26 September 2022 12: 53
          Quote: bober1982
          Such people are sent to a strict regime psychiatric hospital.

          We have SVO, so he will sit out in a psychiatric hospital, eat plants in a pot, go past the toilet several times in a big way, but the main thing is alive ... In wartime, they would be spanked for sabotaging mobilization measures, not to mention the attempted murder of the military commissar.
      2. +1
        26 September 2022 14: 39
        "Dolphins" and "Owls" are for lifers. If the military commissar survives, then the ushlepka is lucky - he definitely won’t get a life sentence.
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  6. +2
    26 September 2022 11: 24
    According to the Izhevsk school: the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported that 6 dead (including children) and 20 injured.

    it’s a pity that the shooter shot himself, he wouldn’t last long .... am
    1. +2
      26 September 2022 11: 41

      Nexcom (Dmitry)
      Today, 11: 24
      NEW
      +1
      According to the Izhevsk school: the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported that 6 dead (including children) and 20 injured.
      Condolences to all victims!
      Something unimaginably terrible happened.
      1. 0
        26 September 2022 11: 43
        And unfortunately this is not the first time this has happened.
  7. +4
    26 September 2022 11: 38
    according to sources, Zinin fired at least 5 shots.
    One shot was, 5 shotgun wounds.
  8. +1
    26 September 2022 11: 42
    And since when did the military registration and enlistment offices cease to be regime facilities? ..
    1. +4
      26 September 2022 11: 50
      Quote: I dare_notice_
      And since when did the military registration and enlistment offices cease to be regime facilities? ..

      And they were born and they were not, Came-recorded to someone-and went.
      1. ada
        -1
        26 September 2022 13: 11
        VK is a regime object of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation by the nature and nature of its activity.
        1. +2
          26 September 2022 13: 40
          Quote: ada
          VK is a regime object of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation by the nature and nature of its activity.

          Apparently you've never been to the military.
          1. ada
            -1
            26 September 2022 16: 45
            I worked with VK for more than 20 years, and for a couple of years directly in VK in the "draft".
            1. 0
              26 September 2022 17: 17
              Quote: ada
              I worked with VK for more than 20 years, and for a couple of years directly in VK in the "draft".

              Does not look like it. In our military registration and enlistment offices at the entrance, at best, a VOHR-sheep granny sits and directs visitors to whomever needs it, and then if someone asks. In Soviet times, the soldier on duty did the same. If you walk past with an "independent face" - no one stops you
              1. ada
                +1
                26 September 2022 17: 30
                I did not see VOHR in VK. Granny-sheep, as you say (write), is in the full-time position of "watchman" with a security and duty function.
        2. 0
          26 September 2022 14: 26
          Quote: ada
          VK is a regime object of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation by the nature and nature of its activity.

          Unlike military units, a lot of people come to the military registration and enlistment offices. How do you imagine regimen?
          1. ada
            0
            26 September 2022 16: 46
            As defined by the governing documents.
            1. 0
              26 September 2022 20: 14
              Quote: ada
              As defined by the governing documents.
              - that is, the grandmother on duty (and everyone is on duty in turn from departments) in a strict voice
              "To whom??",
              "To the accounting table",
              "Soldier/passport with you?",
              "and then ..",
              "Let me write"
              ...
              "Do you know where to go? Well, go .."

              If you understand this by regime - yeah, she's there...
              1. ada
                +1
                26 September 2022 20: 50
                What you described is access control laughing component of a regime object or territory.
                We had much stricter (sibling NO was allowed inside personally) visitors with passes and lists, identity cards and, if necessary, accompanied by an employee doing work in relation to this visitor or group of visitors, employees of the VUS, district administrations. For a violation, the bonus easily disappeared and a difficult conversation appeared with the boss, including the immediate one, because he also got sick, and the "grandmother" had a small bonus, but necessary.
                1. +1
                  27 September 2022 04: 32
                  Quote: ada
                  visitors by passes and lists,

                  So - very Big city....
                  Everything up to a million inhabitants is according to this scheme ....
                  There has always been a stable shortage.
                  And to accompany the visitors is nonsense, there is no one to physically do this ...
                  We talked about DIFFERENT things, it turns out - I’m talking about accessibility and a passage yard, and you’re talking about the fact that they won’t let you in the safe and you won’t be allowed to write cards ... although it happened that they filled out the cards themselves - who has a lot of entries in the WB
                  1. ada
                    0
                    27 September 2022 13: 22
                    No, they didn’t guess, the most ordinary regional one, but “evil” (for some reason they don’t want us as comrades, they call us wolves or worse wassat ).
                    It's simple - the responsibility of the staff brought up.
    2. 0
      26 September 2022 12: 59
      Quote: I dare_notice_
      And since when did the military registration and enlistment offices cease to be regime facilities? ..

      In the military registration and enlistment offices there is a passage yard, I myself am a witness to this. Maybe they think that military registration and enlistment offices prefer to bypass, and therefore enhanced security is not needed.
      1. ada
        -1
        26 September 2022 16: 50
        This does not cancel the regime of VC objects.
    3. 0
      26 September 2022 14: 23
      Quote: I dare_notice_
      And since when did the military registration and enlistment offices cease to be regime facilities? ..
      And how will it help? The guard will simply be killed first - that's all.
      1. ada
        0
        26 September 2022 16: 48
        In VK there is a duty service of workers and full-time watchmen.
  9. +2
    26 September 2022 11: 44
    “Now let’s all go home from here”: some details of the shooting at the military registration and enlistment office of Ust-Ilimsk appeared
    . Inadequate ... to inspire such, anything is possible, feeding his psychos and directing them in the right direction, for someone.
    Standard situation and this can happen ANYWHERE!
  10. +2
    26 September 2022 12: 03
    A bastard shot in the back of the military commissar ... there are no words for the abomination.
  11. -5
    26 September 2022 12: 09
    Why inflate this cheap hype? What, never happened, and suddenly again? Two thousand years ago, Emperor Hadrian was attacked by a slave with a knife while walking in the garden of his guest in Spain. So he disarmed him and handed him over to the servants who ran up, who discovered that he was insane.
    Well, they caught a psycho, so what? Give him quietly three times to the hero Prigozhin, he will enroll him in the guard. The trend is now in fashion.
  12. +2
    26 September 2022 12: 10
    Yes, in our time, in order to get to the military registration and enlistment office, it was necessary to get a pass at the checkpoint, check in with the duty officer with a service weapon, and then go to the right window, this is a military facility with an armory. ,,,
  13. +1
    26 September 2022 12: 26
    What kind of "friend" or "girlfriend" is this because of which everything happened?
    Yes, all scale and dirt quickly rises to the top when the boiler, of old problems, boils.
    In general, the identified problems with partial mobilization show serious omissions in the activities of mobilization structures and outdated plans. It turns out that you can quickly complete your "combat work" by completing the mobilization plan, simply snatching registration cards from the nearest box or fulfilling the "district" plan by recruiting from one, better than the national aul or village, you can not remember the reservists for years, and then hand over the summons a disabled person, you can wave a pen to draft dodgers fleeing abroad, although you need to wave your hand to a wagon train leaving for the North, you can throw one size in the bathhouse for all arrivals - it's good that it's not like in the famous film "DMB" - one machine gun, another shovel, you can come to the recruiting office with a gun and disperse all its inhabitants.
    And if there is a "big war" ...? After identifying such problems, the perpetrators should have few roads - to retire without benefits and allowances, to the DB zone (krovushka), dismissal without seniority, or a zone!
    1. 0
      2 October 2022 14: 19
      Everything beats. And yet, finally, the battalion leaves for the front. The result matters!
  14. +1
    26 September 2022 12: 35
    her son "was very worried that the summons from the draft board came to his friend."

    Sodomites?
  15. -2
    26 September 2022 12: 37
    Hmm, the cut is kind of worthless. It's a shame to take it in your hands - the dogs will laugh.
    Here is the correct one
  16. 0
    26 September 2022 12: 56
    Was this summoning duck scared?
    A summons came to a friend, and there they will call him ...
    Well, now he hid well, no one will mobilize him.
    fool
  17. Two
    -1
    26 September 2022 13: 28
    hi He smoked and went. And what? No one has previously paid attention to his behavior and habits? Surely friends knew about the presence of this toy ...
  18. -7
    26 September 2022 13: 35
    A generation of people who do not know about Zazulich and Trepov will say that Zinin "has gone crazy"
    I don't condone murder
    But the very fact that a 25-year-old man went on a killing spree to protect another from being drafted says something. And obviously not about the fact that this person was carried away by the general impulse of millions who compete in the speed of signing up for volunteers ...
    The killer should be punished for killing 100%
    But this man's motive was not greed or base instinct. His motive was the situation that was created by those who would call him names - under the most patriotic sauce, so to speak. From a safe place, of course
    1. +3
      26 September 2022 13: 53
      Zasulich was a Pole, and even from a difficult one, this explains a lot. Don't be confused. There is no information on Zinin yet, and it is too early to draw conclusions, all the more so to refer to the struggle of the Polish nobility with the enslavers represented by officials of the Russian Empire.
      1. -1
        26 September 2022 14: 11
        Zasulich was a woman who was outraged that Trepov ordered the flogging of the prisoner Bogolyubov, who did not take off his hat quickly enough.
        Whether she was Polish, Kazakh, French, or even an outstanding American of the Mormon faith - this does not change anything in the motives of her actions - she was against the actions of a representative of the authorities who threatened another person
        And she knew that she was risking her life - in tsarist Russia, they weakly listened to the straps for police chiefs :)
        That's exactly what I meant
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          26 September 2022 14: 14
          Her Polish noble origin determines her act, and indignation at Trepov's order is only an excuse and justification.
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            26 September 2022 15: 20
            The bourgeois background of her critics defines their desire to make everyone believe that risking one's life to protect another person is just an excuse...
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              26 September 2022 15: 45
              It’s funny with you, we read here, but here it’s not profitable for us, which means we don’t read.
              One of the ideologists of Ukrainian Nazism, Dmitry Korchinsky, spoke out much more directly, saying that his predecessors had destroyed the Russian autocracy, exaggerating, of course, but you can’t refuse him frankness here.
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                27 September 2022 00: 19
                And what have I got to do with it, if some Korchinsky said so?
                I agree with the destruction of the Russian autocracy, especially since it itself helped in its destruction much more than Korchinsky or I, where do I care about the tsars ...
                About unprofitable did not understand. But if you explain, I'm ready to penetrate into the depths of this thought.
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        1 October 2022 01: 36
        And nothing will happen for zinin, he blew himself away like dandruff from the history of life, in Ust-Ilimsk the other day boys were taken to the front, they no longer remember this zinin, Eliseev was taken to Irkutsk and already taken out of a medical coma, he is alive, wealthier stable, forecasts are more than good. And this bastard Zinin is so worthless that he couldn’t fire five shots at point-blank range.
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      1 October 2022 01: 32
      They made me laugh, I'm from Ust-Ilimsk, Zinin is still the brake, his mother is in a sect, dad is drinking Ruslan lived with his grandmother, he didn’t work at the age of 25 then .. and he swelled not sickly .. and even his girlfriend is "chic" .. laughing

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