As a result of shooting in the military enlistment office of Ust-Ilimsk, Irkutsk region, the military commissar of the city was seriously injured

In Ust-Ilimsk, Irkutsk region, there was an attack on the military commissar of the city, the shooter was detained. The officer was taken to the hospital in critical condition. This is reported by a number of Russian TG channels with reference to local authorities.

At the moment, it is known that on September 26, 2022, a young man entered the assembly hall of the military registration and enlistment office, went up to the stage where the military commissar of the city was and shot him. Then he instructed weapon at several people in the hall shouting: "Let's all get out of here." According to information from various sources, the military commissar received from four to six wounds, he was taken to the hospital in serious condition, where doctors are fighting for his life in intensive care. Previously, the shooting was carried out from a sawn-off hunting rifle.

The shooter was detained, it turned out to be 25-year-old local resident Ruslan Zinin, who does not work anywhere. The motives of the shooter have not yet been established, it is possible that he has mental health problems. A criminal case has been initiated on this fact, investigators and operatives are working on the spot.

According to information coming from Ust-Ilimsk, no one was hurt except for the military commissar, the detainee shot at point-blank range. Military Commissar Alexander Eliseev received six wounds in the chest.

There was an emergency in the area today. In Ust-Ilimsk, a young man fired at the military registration and enlistment office. Military commissar Alexander Vladimirovich Eliseev is in intensive care in critical condition. The doctors are fighting for his life. The shooter was immediately arrested. And he will definitely be punished.

- said the governor of the region Igor Kobzev

Comments

[Nexcom]

Again, the roof is tearing at the mentally unstable. With repercussions...

[Mazunga]

after all, it’s definitely fit for a drill, but the situation is not the Caucasus, after all

[Nexcom]

rather sit down if there is no psychiatry. Well, here he got out of the draft under the article.

[Mazunga]

Take on the 105th for at least 7 years, I think, well, that's it

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Nexcom

rather sit down if there is no psychiatry. Well, here he got out of the draft under the article.

He could just refuse and sit down on a three-ruble note, but why take it as a sin?

[Machito]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Quote: Nexcom

rather sit down if there is no psychiatry. Well, here he got out of the draft under the article.

He could just refuse and sit down on a three-ruble note, but why take it as a sin?

30 pieces of silver from Svinostan worked out.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Bearded

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Quote: Nexcom

rather sit down if there is no psychiatry. Well, here he got out of the draft under the article.

He could just refuse and sit down on a three-ruble note, but why take it as a sin?

30 pieces of silver from Svinostan worked out.

It is very doubtful, with such a performance, he would never have used them, is it like a performer to win an argument about "it's weak to rush under the wheels of a train?"

[Machito]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Quote: Bearded

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Quote: Nexcom

rather sit down if there is no psychiatry. Well, here he got out of the draft under the article.

He could just refuse and sit down on a three-ruble note, but why take it as a sin?

30 pieces of silver from Svinostan worked out.

It is very doubtful, with such a performance, he would never have used them, is it like a performer to win an argument about "it's weak to rush under the wheels of a train?"

So they are all stubborn to death. Look, the pig-fuhrer cannot live without powder.

[ramzay21]

They have already said that this is a conscript and I think he did it for a reason, because now the military commissar decides a lot.
If the stick is bent, it may break. It is better for the authorities to really understand the causes of the tragedy and take measures to prevent this from happening.

[frog]

Even with "figuring out the causes" we have problems, except for such an analysis of the search for a switchman. And with "take action" ......

[ramzay21]

Here I am about this ..... If they don’t figure it out, then the year 1917 will come to the country

[frog]

So, they don't believe. Like they didn't believe. As in 1990, the boobies did not listen to reasonable people. However, they are rarely listened to at all ....

[sniperino]

Quote: ramzay21

If they don’t figure it out, then the year 1917 will come to the country

It is better to immediately deal with the fiery revolutionaries in a Stalinist way, because after 1917 civil war and intervention come, which this time the country may not survive.

[ramzay21]

It’s better to immediately deal with the fiery revolutionaries in a Stalinist way

Only now he would deal not with the revolutionaries, but with the power that had lost its shores, because he himself was a revolutionary and fought against exactly the same power.
And let me remind you that Stalin himself lived in a three-room apartment in the Kremlin, did without trinkets, and in the first 15 years of being in power turned a backward, illiterate, civil war-torn country into an advanced power, and for the first time in history, the economy of our country became larger than the economies of France and Germany combined.

[sniperino]

Quote: ramzay21

And let me remind you that Stalin himself lived in a three-room apartment...

And here are the rooms. Better remember the processes of the 30s. Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and others were not revolutionaries? I think you are living in an alternate history. Stalin fought not for rooms, but for the country, which the ardent revolutionaries wanted not to build, but to burn in a world conflagration. How are you today: found the time and reason to cry out for 1917.

[ramzay21]

Stalin fought not for rooms, but for the country, which the fiery revolutionaries wanted not to build, but to burn in a world fire.

In what version of history did you find nonsense that Stalin fought the revolutionaries? Stalin himself was a revolutionary, in fact, and Kamenev and Zinoviev were also cowards and traitors, and paid the price for that.
Kirov, Molotov, Kalinin, Kaganovich, Kuibyshev, like many others, were revolutionaries, at least read Stalin's writings to declare who Stalin was and what he fought for.

How are you today: found the time and reason to cry out for 1917.

This is a statement of fact, not a call, our government is stubbornly leading us there, as Nikolai II played it out in his time and provoked three revolutions.

[sniperino]

Quote: ramzay21

In what version of history did you find nonsense that Stalin fought the revolutionaries?

In the official Soviet version of the Trotskyist-Zinoviev anti-party bloc.

Its representatives denied the existence of a partial and temporary stabilization of capitalism and rejected the tactics of a united front; proposed to "destroy" the old reformist trade unions and "replace" them with revolutionary

Did you take the exam? Trotsky was delicately bypassed ... Have you heard anything about the "permanent revolution"?

Quote: ramzay21

our government stubbornly leads us there, as at one time Nicholas II played out and provoked three revolutions

Like, SVO for you is a repetition of the beginning of the 1st MV? In my opinion, you are an enemy. Taking into account the fact that the 3rd MV is on the threshold.

[ramzay21]

In the official Soviet version of the Trotskyist-Zinoviev anti-party bloc

Which version? In the versions of the Stalinist period or versions after Khrushchev or already perestroika?

Did you take the exam? Trotsky was delicately bypassed ... Have you heard anything about the "permanent revolution"?

You definitely didn’t read the collected works of Stalin, but you are talking about how Stalin treated Trotsky

Like, SVO for you is a repetition of the beginning of the 1st MV? In my opinion, you are an enemy. Taking into account the fact that the 3rd MV is on the threshold.

This is a normal answer for people like you.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ramzay21

They already said it's a conscript

They said that in this way he decided to smear his friend from the draft, and he did not even receive a summons. Clearly schizoid.

[sniperino]

Quote: Piramidon

Explicit schizoid

Schizophrenic.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

He could just refuse and sit down on a three-ruble note, but why take it as a sin?

I was afraid that the CBO would last more than 3 years ...

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Nexcom

if there is no psychiatry

If there is, it would be good to dispose of it.

[dimbasic]

maybe on the basis of vicious Ukrainianism the tank whistled

[Egoza]

Quote from dimbasic

maybe on the basis of vicious Ukrainianism the tank whistled

Then it definitely needs to be disposed of, whether there is psychiatry or not. From such a normal offspring you will not get. And you can't leave it behind. At least in 5, at least in 15 years. This is a threat to normal people.

[Gpn27]

A life sentence shines for him, taking into account all the circumstances.

[Bulgarian_5]

Or maybe you just didn’t want to fight?
Became a victim of enemy propaganda, lost faith in the country's own power ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Bulgarian_5

Or maybe you just didn’t want to fight?
Became a victim of enemy propaganda, lost faith in the country's own power ...

What kind of victim is he? He is a criminal. Already two articles at least - illegal possession of weapons and second-hand supplies and attempted murder. He dies as a military commissar, so he will go to the zone for murder. Crime during mobilization will go as an aggravating circumstance. It would be better if his mother had an abortion at one time than gave birth to this freak.

[Bomb]

With this approach to mobilization, the roof is tearing at everyone.

[Nexcom]

Well, not to the same extent. We have a lot of volunteers in the city. Many wives were left alone with two children. My friend (he served in the Airborne Forces), 15 years younger than me, left as a volunteer. By the way, some were turned up in the military enlistment office - that friend told me that while he was waiting there, two were turned up.

[Chronos]

Quote: Nexcom

Well, not to the same extent. We have a lot of volunteers in the city. Many wives were left alone with two children. My friend (he served in the Airborne Forces), 15 years younger than me, left as a volunteer.

You need to dig into his social media. So far, an ideal portrait of a person who is being recruited by the Ukrop GUR via the Internet is emerging. Approximately the same "Molotov cocktails" have been thrown into military registration and enlistment offices since spring. In Dagestan, a local was detained, whom they knocked out to undermine the gas pipeline.

[astepanov]

Fifteen years ago, I tried to register with the military registration and enlistment office in connection with the arrival from another city. I traveled four times: either the military enlistment office was closed for some unknown reason, then some important lady was absent, then the electricity was turned off ... He spat and did not get registered. They can, of course, write down as deviationists and deserters, but I'm about to hit seventy. Suitable only for lying on the parapet.
A friend of my daughter received a summons. And she is sixty-two years old. Kose understands that no one will send a grandmother to the front, but this speaks of how they work in the military registration and enlistment offices. Probably, this is not everywhere, but they give a reason for the stench. Everyone knows: a military commissar is, as a rule, a retired officer who received a sinecure and gave up on everything. It seems that he does not even look into personal affairs when sending out subpoenas. Hence the panic, often the evader is not at all a healthy recently retired guy, but a goner chronicle who was intimidated by summons received by others who were just as unfit for service, and who is not even afraid of war, but of the possibility of bending down on the way to the training unit.
And one more thing: why was the military commissar not closed for people of military age without a visa to go abroad? Shouldn't this have been done? Why do village guys have to go and fight, but not urban glamor?

[Yuri Stepanov]

Fully agree with the last thesis.

[Dead duck]

but this speaks of how they work in the military registration and enlistment office

- this is not an isolated case, but indiscriminately so. They even managed to give out a uniform to one grandfather.

[Vovk]

Quote: astepanov

And one more thing: why was the military commissar not closed for people of military age without a visa to go abroad? Shouldn't this have been done?

This will be done after September 27, not all the necessary people from Gazprom have yet flown to Turkey ...

[tkoh]

Do you want a revolution in the country because of these fugitives? Let them go

[Li17]

Quote: astepanov

Everyone knows: a military commissar is, as a rule, a retired officer who received a sinecure and gave up on everything.

Based on my trips to the regional military registration and enlistment offices, we have "officers" there who, at best, were waiting for their turn to climb into a warm place. I did not see the retirees! Normal ones, as a rule, did not linger for a long time, they themselves sought to leave for demobilization! Especially when Chechnya began, and it was necessary to send some of their cadres there, it immediately became clear what kind of officers they were! I know only a couple of decent ones, the rest went into denial!

[Flooding]

Quote: Bomb

With this approach to mobilization, the roof is tearing at everyone.

Is your comment understood as an excuse for a crime?

[Million]

I don't think it's an excuse, it's a reason.

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

I don't think it's an excuse, it's the reason

You don't think carefully.

Quote: Bomb

With this approach to mobilization tearing the roof off everyone

The emphasis was placed in this way.
In that message there was no hint of a search for the cause of a particular incident.

[Million]

It rarely happens without a reason. There is a reason, there is a consequence. This is science, logic. In Dagestan, the highway was blocked yesterday. The reason is the same: the approach to mobilization.

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

Rarely does anything happen without a reason. There is a reason, there is a consequence.

You argue about a causal relationship in the event of an attempted murder, without having the testimony of the offender, the data of the investigation and information about the sanity of the shooter.
Are you in too much of a hurry?
Sherlock Holmes could learn from you.

[Million]

We are all ONLY guessing here. And no one has repealed the laws of logic (this, by the way, is science).

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

We are all here ONLY assuming

You are asserting, not assuming

Quote: Million

The reason is the same: the approach to mobilization

[Million]

You read inattentively. About Dagestan yesterday it was written in all the news.

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

You read inattentively. About Dagestan yesterday it was written in all the news.

I thought we were commenting on the shooting in Ust-Ilimsk and the comment that "the roof is tearing at everyone."

But you, with your exclusively scientific logic, decided to discuss Dagestan.

[Million]

Yes, it's hard for you to understand everything.
Play better ping-pong

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

Yes, it's hard for you to understand everything.
Play better ping-pong

Try to explain if you think it's possible, instead of giving worthless advice.

Quote: Bomb

With this approach to mobilization, the roof is tearing at everyone.

Quote: Flood

Is your comment understood as an excuse for a crime?

Quote: Million

I don't think it's an excuse, it's the reason

So, what is the reason for shooting the military commissar?
You don't have any difficulty understanding my question, do you?

[Million]

What reason to shoot at the military commissar can only be answered by the shooter himself.
We are here at this point in time can only assume the causes of what happened.
Is the answer clear? Or do you want to further crush the water in a mortar?

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

What reason to shoot at the military commissar can only be answered by the shooter himself.
We are here at this point in time can only speculate about the causes of what happened.

You have stated the reason above.
Explain your point of view.
You wrote that you think that the reason for what happened is the approach to mobilization.
Then they remembered that logic is a science, and something about Dagestan and ping-pong.

So which of us crushes water in a mortar?

Let's break it down into pieces.

Quote: Million

In Dagestan, the highway was blocked yesterday. The reason is the same: the approach to mobilization.

In Dagestan, was the highway blocked for the same reason that they shot at the military commissar in Ust-Ilimsk?
Are these your words?

[Million]

You are already lost in 2 pines. The reason is mobilization. Is that clear?
In one case, they blocked the road, and in the other, they shot at the military commissar.

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

You are already lost in 2 pines. The reason is mobilization. Is that clear?

You are sick.
The reason is not mobilization, but a mental deviation, indirectly related to mobilization.
You're talking about logic here.
And now write such a surprise "mobilization caused the murder."

[Million]

The motives of the shooter have not yet been established, it is possible that he has mental health problems.

Have you confirmed your diagnosis yet?

[Flooding]

Quote: Million

Have you confirmed the diagnosis yet?

"Diagnosis - a medical conclusion about an existing disease, expressed in terms provided by the current classification of diseases."

Where did you read anything remotely resembling a diagnosis?

A mental deviation can be argued with a probability approaching 100 percent.
This does not mean that the shooter was not sane.

Mental disorders are a violation of the mechanisms and processes of perception of reality.
Which in turn causes an inadequate reaction to what is happening.

Try to convince me that the shooting at the military commissar is an adequate consequence of some kind of internal experience.

[sniperino]

Quote: Flood

The reason is not mobilization, but a mental deviation, indirectly related to mobilization.

If some psycho hangs himself after reading Million's comments, the latter will have to confess to driving him to suicide. But something tells him that "it's different" for him, he doesn't admit it.

[for]

Quote: Flood

how to justify a crime?

And such an approach to mobilization (military commissars) is not a crime?

[Flooding]

Quote: for

And such an approach to mobilization (military commissars) is not a crime?

We consider a special case in Ust-Ilimsk.
It would be disgusting to look for an excuse for any shooting at the military commissars, because during the mobilization some of them showed themselves to be incompetent servicemen.

[Li17]

Quote: Flood

It would be disgusting to look for an excuse for any shooting at the military commissars, because during the mobilization some of them showed themselves to be incompetent servicemen.

I would like to know what part, according to my observations, is significant!

[Flooding]

Quote: lithium17

I would like to know what part, according to my observations, is significant!

Even if it is 10-15%, it is significant on a national scale.
But I think it's more.

[Diana Ilyina]

What's wrong with mobilization? 90 people were supposed to be taken from us at the plant, only two were taken, and then for a month of retraining with a payment of 200 thousand, and then they told us to go home and wait if they were suddenly needed.

[Dilettante grandfather]

A lot is wrong. 1. There should have been all the information at once. who is definitely mobilized, and who is not. Information, clarifications, convey to us every day. And it had to be all at once.
2. On the ground, in the military registration and enlistment offices, numerous excesses. I guess just to get the plan done. And this is fundamentally wrong.
3. Only the lazy one has not spoken about rusty AKs. Let this be just one episode, but it is!
All criteria must be spelled out down to the slightest nuance before mobilization has been announced. Including status / insurance and other for mobilized. The material support of the mobilized also had to be scheduled in advance, everything was inventoried and prepared.

[cmax]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

A lot is wrong. 1. There should have been all the information at once. who is definitely mobilized, and who is not. Information, clarifications, convey to us every day. And it had to be all at once.
2. On the ground, in the military registration and enlistment offices, numerous excesses. I guess just to get the plan done. And this is fundamentally wrong.
3. Only the lazy one has not spoken about rusty AKs. Let this be just one episode, but it is!
All criteria must be spelled out down to the slightest nuance before mobilization has been announced. Including status / insurance and other for mobilized. The material support of the mobilized also had to be scheduled in advance, everything was inventoried and prepared.

Eco You wanted. To do all this, the military registration and enlistment offices had to put things in order for ten years. And it's like everywhere else. Nobody wants anything. Especially when there is no responsibility.

[Egoza]

Quote: cmax

Nobody wants anything. Especially when there is no responsibility.

Shake them right now, right? Are there any penalties, especially when a country conducts a NWO? Then the responsibility will immediately appear

[Dilettante grandfather]

To do all this, the military registration and enlistment offices had to put things in order for ten years.

They did not want to work in a calm environment, which means that now they will have to plow. My humble opinion, everyone who failed, send to the ranks of the mobilized. The situation is not right now to breed merichlundia.

Especially when there is no responsibility

Under the conditions of the SVO, responsibility should increase many times over. Personal.

[your vsr 66-67]

I told my wife so. They didn’t even take them from the factories in the Second World War, well. they didn’t take it away ... Where did the BASIC replenishment come from? From the village! And you are talking about the plant ....
This is Diana Ilina!

[Li17]

but this is the inability to work and the lack of clear execution!

[Duncan]

Well, not for everyone, but for predisposed and specific psychos. registered patients. Came to such an agenda or he imagined that he would come - then, for example, delusional psychosis develops. Most are dangerous only to themselves, but there is also such a...

[AVA77]

Too bad you can't leave short comments. This one is..........

[dmi.pris1]

To the military commissar, recovery. This duck is an enema with nails for life (you can’t mate, I couldn’t find other words) ...

[tralflot1832]

Dill propaganda has an effect on the brain. Where did the shooter get a sawed-off shotgun? I Why do stuff about mental health, in advance.

[Flooding]

Quote: tralflot1832

works. Where did the shooter get the shotgun from?

It was unlikely that it was a cut.
Four or six shots from a sawn-off shotgun without reloading?

[Nexcom]

You are right - I also doubted that this was a sawn-off shotgun. IMHO from a shotgun at close range (especially if hunting) this is a guaranteed kirdyk. I saw a video of really poor quality - even it doesn’t look like a sawn-off shotgun there.

зы https://www.e1.ru/text/incidents/2022/09/26/71684213/

there is a video of the shooting - I could not insert it here. there was only one shot, and it sounds like a weak pop. see for yourself - the link provided (there at the very beginning)

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Flood

Four or six shots from a sawn-off shotgun without reloading?

Not shots, but gunshot wounds. Buckshot, for example.

[Flooding]

Quote: Aleksandre

Not shots, but gunshot wounds. Buckshot, for example.

good point +

[Pereira]

Rather 4-6 buckshots. With the same dispersion, he obviously shot from afar.

[Flooding]

Quote: Pereira

Rather 4-6 buckshots. With the same dispersion, he obviously shot from afar.

I agree. I already understood and realized my mistake.

[VORON538]

According to the video, no more than 3 meters, if not less.

[UA3QHP]

According to various sources, the military commissar received from four to six wounds.

Canister?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Flood

Quote: tralflot1832

works. Where did the shooter get the shotgun from?

It was unlikely that it was a cut.
Four or six shots from a sawn-off shotgun without reloading?

The possibility of a shot from a sawn-off shotgun with buckshot, immediately brush aside? Only bullets and exclusively bullets, shoot from a sawn-off shotgun? Or is it a sawn-off shotgun like a civilian, must it be from a rifle?

[Flooding]

Quote: Leshy1975

The possibility of a shot from a sawn-off shotgun with buckshot, immediately brush aside? Only bullets and exclusively bullets, shoot from a sawn-off shotgun? Or is it a sawn-off shotgun like a civilian, must it be from a rifle?

A lot of letters.
Seven would be enough: buckshot

[Aag]

Quote: Flood

Quote: tralflot1832

works. Where did the shooter get the shotgun from?

It was unlikely that it was a cut.
Four or six shots from a sawn-off shotgun without reloading?

Not shots, but wounds.
Looks like a buckshot...
On video, audio from the scene, everything is somewhat different.

[Flooding]

Quote: AAG

Not shots, but wounds.
Looks like buckshot

The habit of fluent reading sometimes fails.
the same case.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

I looked at a photo of self-loading rifles (12 gauge, true) - some of them will be cut off.
But yes, they will still be long if you just cut and not redo.
Another thing is that with experience, you can reload quite quickly and a kopeck piece-break.
But, 6 wounds...
This is either to shoot at a lying person, or it is not clear how in general in terms of implementation.

[Flooding]

Quote: Hitriy Zhuk

But, 6 wounds

I have already been corrected above.
Six wounds - hit by six damaging elements.
Which is not the same as six shots.

[Sauron80]

Your energy would be, yes for peaceful purposes))

[true_rover]

The shot was fired from a sawn-off shotgun with a doublet, the operation is still underway. I'm from this city, even the video is in the local telegram channels

[Flooding]

Quote: true_rover

The shot was fired from a sawn-off shotgun with a doublet, the operation is still underway. I am from this city

what do the local townspeople say about the shooter?

[true_rover]

Here, as in a village, there are many rumors, but it is not clear where the truth is. Who says that he received the summons, who says that his brother died in Ukraine and so he decided to express his point of view. No official reason yet.

[stankow]

One shot, 4-6 buckshot hit. God forbid the man survives. That's a serious injury!

[Sergey Averchenkov]

If with buckshot, then with one shot you can. If you have ever fired from a sawn-off shotgun, you should know that there is no point in firing a bullet (it won’t fly far anyway), but with buckshot ... From close range, it’s better under an AK than under a sawn-off shotgun. I read the question where is the cut from? Funny. Everyone has them here, well, not a sawn-off shotgun, so a gun is a must. :)

[Flooding]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

If you have ever fired from a sawn-off shotgun, you should know that there is no point in firing a bullet (it won’t fly far anyway)

Does this apply to any short-barreled firearm?
For pistols too?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It all depends on the caliber. I have never seen a 12 gauge pistol (or 16 gauge). How many buckshots will fit in small things (5.6)? One? Well, what's the point? In addition, a smoothbore weapon is, in principle, a melee weapon, even a pistol, even a gun. I'll tell you as an old hunter - you usually don't shoot further than 30 meters when hunting. The shot will not fly stupidly, but shooting a partridge with a bullet ... is a perversion.

[VitaminBF3mg]

Here I agree with you 100%:

"Why do stuff about mental health
in advance"

[Uprun]

Well, the turn has come to psychopaths ......, climbed out ....., and in peacetime I would go to school again ....

[Uprun]

Nakarkal .... Izhevsk .... condolences to the relatives of the dead, recovery to the wounded ...

[Al manah]

The motives of the shooter have not yet been established, it is possible that he has mental health problems.

Of course, the point is not that he was outraged by some wrong actions from his point of view by the employees of the military registration and enlistment office, but that he is a psycho, yes. And the fact that this happened during the days of mobilization is, of course, a coincidence, nothing more.

[bk316]

but that he is a psycho, yes.

Of course in this. Outraged, he wrote to the Moscow Region, or to the prosecutor's office, to the extreme, he would lie in wait for the military commissar in the evening and fired from the bushes
And this is a psycho - after all, it is clear that they will bind either a fool or a life sentence.
Say no psycho?

[Al manah]

Did I write that I'm not crazy? Psycho, of course. And if he is a psycho, then he will not be imprisoned, but will be assigned to a psychiatric hospital. So let's see later - is he a psycho from the point of view of doctors, or they will define him as sane.

[Chronos]

Quote: Al Manah

Did I write that I'm not crazy? Psycho, of course. And if he is a psycho, then he will not be imprisoned, but will be assigned to a psychiatric hospital. So let's see later - is he a psycho from the point of view of doctors, or they will define him as sane.

Sanity is established by the court. Forensic psychiatry only conducts an examination. By the way, there is no information yet that this shooter even somehow got under mobilization.

[Nexcom]

By the way, there is no information yet that this shooter even somehow got under mobilization.

And what did he do in the military enlistment office then? This is actually a place where you just don’t go in - not a cafeteria or a pizzeria.

[bk316]

This is actually a place where you just don’t go in - not a cafeteria or a pizzeria.

Once passed with a sawn-off shotgun, just like in a pizzeria.

[Nexcom]

looks like it got ripped off....

[bk316]

Not the right word.
Here you can’t go into the store with car keys, they let you into the military registration and enlistment office with a sawn-off shotgun. And if he had an SVU with striking elements.

[Chronos]

Quote: Nexcom

By the way, there is no information yet that this shooter even somehow got under mobilization.

And what did he do in the military enlistment office then? This is actually a place where you just don’t go in - not a cafeteria or a pizzeria.

Presumably, he went to shoot at the military commissar.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Chronos

Sanity is established by the court

Sanity is established by a forensic medical examination.
After that, the court, in accordance with Article 21 of the Criminal Code, may appoint (or not appoint) compulsory treatment in the corresponding hospital.

[Chronos]

Quote: Aleksandre

Quote: Chronos

Sanity is established by the court

Sanity is established by a forensic medical examination.
After that, the court, in accordance with Article 21 of the Criminal Code, may appoint (or not appoint) compulsory treatment in the corresponding hospital.

You are basically wrong. Read the Criminal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure. Sanity is established by the court and it is not obliged to be guided by the conclusions of the expert. The expert may be interrogated, an additional or repeated examination is appointed.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Chronos

You are basically wrong. Read the Criminal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure. Sanity is established by the court and it is not obliged to be guided by the conclusions of the expert. The expert may be interrogated, an additional or repeated examination is appointed.

Here I am just reading, in contrast to. The court may recognize insane, and establish the fact of insanity is given to psychiatrists.
Is the Russian language so foreign to you that the difference between these words is completely incomprehensible?

[Chronos]

Recognition = establishment of a legal fact.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

I tell you that all these "bulk" and others are so much the same that it looks like a general shiz, maybe it's just defective, or maybe one of these (or maybe they bought an idiot).

But that's not important.
It is important that defectiveness does not exempt from punishment.
Let him serve a life sentence for a terrorist attack, and then go to a madhouse for treatment (if he is alive ).

[bk316]

I will answer immediately to you and Oleg.
Forced treatment is not a sanatorium.
You can never go out, you can go out disabled.
Although it happens that they come out in 5 years and again create nightmares.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: bk316

Although it happens that they come out in 5 years and again create nightmares.

This is what they usually fear.
Well, the very fact that the one who went for the act has not yet answered, but has already gone "to improve his health" is also not encouraging.
You know, I may be stupid (oh, this strange word filter on the site), but I just smell a fierce injustice and danger to society here.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bk316

or for life.

Why a life sentence? Fighting guy, knows how to shoot. To his Wagner.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mordvin 3

what immediately life? Fighting guy, knows how to shoot. To Wagner

Without a psychiatric examination?
And colleagues in such a company will definitely be safe?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Flood

Without a psychiatric examination?

With expertise.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Fighting guy, knows how to shoot. To his Wagner.

Maybe better to Bandera? Or are you against it?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

Maybe better to Bandera?

We have a moratorium.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: 30 vis

Maybe better to Bandera?

We have a moratorium.

Crematorium? But I understood .. a moratorium on the death penalty ... send a corrective case to the but father at Byalorus .. There are no moratoriums, there are crematoria. Union state, so let it judge by its own laws ..

[UAZ 452]

on the edge would lie in wait for the military commissar in the evening and fired from the bushes

That is, you would consider such actions on his part to be quite rational?

[rocket757]

The motives of the shooter have not yet been established, it is possible that he has mental health problems.

. The problem of mentally ill, unbalanced people is EVERYWHERE!
How to solve it??? There is no single, true, but not radical recipe ...
Exacerbations, in different periods of time, moments of exacerbation of contradictions in society, will be sure to ...

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Is.
The fire will cleanse the soul from sins.
And then God will figure it out.
And no, this is not radicalism, this is philanthropy. Indeed, in the first place, it helps to atone for sins in part, and rather to repent before God.


In general, it’s not so important to either check everyone on a mandatory basis, or something else. The will of leaders and society is more important here.

[rocket757]

It is hard to imagine that someone will seriously deal with this problem ...
After any optimizations, it is not necessary to expect that this area of ​​medicine will function as it should, alas.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Moreover, the campaign and society do not care.
Or it starts with “what if you?” (apparently a defensive reaction with a transition to personalities), or about the fact that “there are so many hunters being checked” (actually, if it happens, then either the psychiatrists have not finalized it, or those who regulate the circulation of weapons, if bought in black).
Whether so accustomed to the mess, or I do not know.

[rocket757]

Apparently, there are many similar problems somewhere ... although, we should be concerned about what is happening here.
To say that these are the consequences of the discord / collapse of the last 30 years of our existence ... this is unlikely, but so it is, we have not the worst, but not the best, all the more, I want everything to be normal, calm ... Alas.
Probably there is no one, right recipe, how you can fix everything ...

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Must be done every 5 years mandatory examination of each citizen by a psychiatrist.
If the driver - every 3 years.
Weapons - here either 1.5-2 or very fiercely check.

And without any "well, why break a person's life, we'll write that he's healthy." And then these people who "did not begin to break life" do all sorts of things.

Well, of course, if they do something - first the term and only then the treatment.

Nowadays, it’s more likely that they are bred hard than they are fighting (apparently, otherwise there will be few “liberals”, all sorts of Novodvorskys there ...).

[Uprun]

Shaw, again to nightmare hunters? So they regularly visit a psychiatrist ....

[Hitriy Zhuk]

And the rest of the citizens - no.
At best, for work / service. Or a couple of times in life "on the right."

[Puzoter]

You might think that the sawn-off shotgun was officially registered with him.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Hitriy Zhuk

Weapons - here either 1.5-2 or very fiercely check.

I have said hundreds of times and I will repeat that a person does not have the right to own a firearm or drive a vehicle if he does not have the appropriate mark on his military ID (on the basis of military service or in connection with its non-performance by law) ...

[Uprun]

And if flat feet or a stomach ulcer ....? And what, after the service there are no psychopaths? One size fits all ....., excesses have never led to anything good ...., I really hope that they are not in power ...., with this approach ..... you can do such miracles .. ..

[yuriy55]

Quote from uprun

I really hope that I am not in power ...., with such an approach ..... you can do such miracles ....

I have not run over anyone on my bike yet... You can see the statistics of fatal accidents... A person who has health problems can drive a special vehicle...
Miracles are created by those for whom the law is like a drawbar.

[Uprun]

So the campaign of all women who did not serve - to deprive their driver's licenses? I repeat, with this approach .... such miracles can be done .....

[yuriy55]

Quote from uprun

So the campaign of all women who did not serve - to deprive their driver's licenses?

Why not? In Israel, for example, women serve on an equal footing with men. Getting the right to drive a vehicle should be earned ... Maybe you need to give birth to two children, or serve in the ranks of the Armed Forces in order to know your place in the event of mobilization ... Perhaps you just need to prove this right by the ability to get out of road troubles on your own and basic breakdowns. I have not seen (with the rare exception of professionals) women driving, so that she does not use (during driving) cosmetics, a mobile phone, or does not climb to straighten a thong or strap ... It is they who work such miracles:

[Uprun]

I repeat once again ...... I really hope that I am not in power ...

[opposite28]

There was an emergency in the area today. In Ust-Ilimsk, a young man fired at the military registration and enlistment office. Military commissar Alexander Vladimirovich Eliseev is in intensive care in critical condition. The doctors are fighting for his life. The shooter was immediately arrested. And he will definitely be punished.

It is curious how objective and unbiased the investigation will be. Mobilization clearly shows the strengths and weaknesses of the public and its leaders in a number of subjects of the Russian Federation.

[yuriy55]

Quote: oppozite28

Mobilization clearly shows the strengths and weaknesses of the public and its leaders in a number of subjects of the Russian Federation.

So Stalin carried out the last mobilization ...

[engineer74]

Gouging! You’ll go into the subway with a screwdriver in figs, but you’ll go to the military enlistment office, where, by the way, there is a gunsmith, with a sawn-off shotgun, please!

[UAZ 452]

Do you propose to suspend mobilization until all the country's military registration and enlistment offices are equipped with metal detectors at the entrance?

[engineer74]

I offer inspection, you can have a dog.

[UAZ 452]

And during off-hours, each employee of the military registration and enlistment office - a police guard? And handing out subpoenas - as part of the unit, covering each other, holding at gunpoint the one to whom it is handed? Well, it's theoretically doable. And what will happen later when such Zimins get into active units? We already have officers and sergeants - an acute shortage, and if there are such subordinates who have a target drawn on you in their eyes, the remaining ones will not be enough for a long time.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

I spoke with one military commissar. He came to register, so he immediately rolled out to me a list of stationery that I would have to buy for the military registration and enlistment office. Rare hamlyuga.

[NDR-791]

He came to register, so he immediately rolled out to me a list of stationery which I would have to buy for the military registration and enlistment office.

Uh ... Well, I rolled it out, and would I have listened in response, or did you not have any words? Especially not when withdrawing, but when registering.

Although he went to the service in a brand new Ford. Then he regretted that there was no sawn-off shotgun.

Didn't you have a sewing machine or the keys to the apartment with you? I would drive on bare rims and a brand new scratched Ford. And so every day ... and a sawn-off shotgun is not needed.

[AdAstra]

Well, the real military comrades have finished their game, it’s not supposed to know and so on.

[BABAY22]

The next dismantling will be, as an outsider with firearms entered the territory of a military facility.
No borders at the entrance? Put.

[Living7111972]

Shoot the guard! There is a turnstile, physical control, face control. I was in the VC of Ufa in the summer, so it’s just that my fingers didn’t roll back. And the recruitment went to Shaimuratov's regiment in the same way. But there was no mess.

[Ivan Ivanov]

The topic of "shooting the military commissars" is being promoted by Ukrainians and local so-called. "partisans". M.b. recruited through social media

[svoroponov]

And you do not assume that he was denied the call and he reacted to this about it? For some peoples, for men, like a red rag for a bull, refusal is considered a great insult. Let the investigation sort it out. Then you can discuss.

[filibuster]

I don’t justify the shooter, but I saw how in the military registration and enlistment office (certainly not everywhere) they communicate not only with conscripts, but also with adult reserve officers, they look at people as if they were g..but, I don’t exclude that under stress, with an unbalanced psyche, someone it can break the “tower”. It’s just that some military commissars have completely relaxed, they could yell at people earlier, realizing that they have something to lose and they cannot answer, but now people are going to war with their names and you need to talk to them in a completely different way.

[Antey]

Quote: Pereira

Rather 4-6 buckshots. With the same dispersion, he obviously shot from afar.

Didn't you watch the video? He stood a couple of meters from the military commissar. At such a distance, buckshot still flies heaps.

[yuriy55]

At the moment it is known that on September 26, 2022 a young man entered the assembly hall of the military registration and enlistment office

Is there a driveway? There are no words for how firmly “Serdyukovism” has ingrained itself into the reorganization of the “workers” of the military registration and enlistment office.

[Nexcom]

https://www.e1.ru/text/incidents/2022/09/26/71684534/

So in Izhevsk, someone's tap was torn off - shooting at a school, there are children among the wounded.

An unidentified man broke into one of the classrooms in the Izhevsk school No. 88 and opened fire, according to the local edition UDMInfo, citing eyewitnesses. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the shooter has not yet been detained, they continue to search for him.

The shooting began during the lesson, an unknown man in a black suit burst into the classroom and opened fire on the children. The director of the school managed to hide with the wounded teenager in the office and close herself there, the previously wounded guard died.

PS Here, too, Svidomity tried or psychiatry, or both together?

[Chronos]

Quote: Nexcom

https://www.e1.ru/text/incidents/2022/09/26/71684534/

So in Izhevsk, someone's tap was torn off - shooting at a school, there are children among the wounded.

An unidentified man broke into one of the classrooms in the Izhevsk school No. 88 and opened fire, according to the local edition UDMInfo, citing eyewitnesses. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the shooter has not yet been detained, they continue to search for him.

The shooting began during the lesson, an unknown man in a black suit burst into the classroom and opened fire on the children. The director of the school managed to hide with the wounded teenager in the office and close herself there, the previously wounded guard died.

PS Here, too, Svidomity tried or psychiatry, or both together?

The participation of Svidomites should also be considered. As one of the versions, not the only one, of course, but this version should also be worked out. They are trying to rock our country from the inside. Don't underestimate them.

[Nexcom]

They report about the victims of the Izhevsk execution - three children, three adults died. Seven wounded.

PS Addition: shooter found, committed suicide. Shooting led from two PM.

[iouris]

Agents and residencies of the GUR and SBU work everywhere. Especially where there can be big money. But perhaps this is an accident, a mental breakdown, it is very possible, although unlikely.

[fiberboard]

Hmm, you won’t envy the military commissars now, it was lafa under the Soviet regime. In Dagestan, too, you seem to be boiling with shooting. And all because our government is completely bankrupt, no one believes it anymore, especially GDP. In 2014, there was an idea, the Russian World, and there were more than enough people who wanted to fight.

[Dikson]

25 years old duck. I had to be mobilized, I came according to the agenda, as I understand it. with the words "Now we'll all go home," he shot at the military commissar, who stood behind the podium and spoke with the people sitting in the hall .. In general, one thing is strange - the shooter obviously did not approach the front, rather behind the speaker, it is clear that the wolf buckshot was cut -if there are six wounds, but why they write in the chest ..- it’s not clear .. in general, this woodpecker will now receive a life sentence, in the light of new decrees .. I didn’t want to go to war - I would go on the run .. or shoot myself in the leg or in the head is better .. shoot the sovereign's man for what? He follows orders. And cases of attacks on military registration and enlistment offices .. - there are already several of them in different regions ..

[Rustic]

Sovereign's man to shoot for what? He follows orders.

Maybe they do it in such a way that they have already started shooting? They told my neighbor over there, take with you only what you don’t mind. That is, even thermal underwear will not be allowed to take with you. And about your hunting knife, and even more so there is no question.

[Mavrikiy]

It is possible that he has mental health problems.

And if so, what? A ticket to a health resort? Shoot like rabid dogs.

[UAZ 452]

I believe that we will have a classic answer to such episodes - to take away all the weapons available to the population, including hunting ones. I’m sure that even if the Nazis approach Belgorod, we will definitely not distribute weapons to the population following the Ukrainian example.
And this Zimin, apparently, is mentally unstable, but only according to the estimates of psychiatrists (they are quite available on the network), we have millions of them, and far from all came into the field of view of official psychiatry. Moreover - in calm times, many of them would never have hit, but in conditions of chronic stress - the roof is torn off. All 300 thousand to drive through the medical board and a detailed psychiatric examination? Yes, we do not have such a number of psychiatrists in the country. So how many of these Zimins will get their hands on weapons and get into the troops? In the training units, they will be afraid to give them machine guns, preferring to conduct training and coordination by the methods of drill training, class exercises in the UCP and the study of regulations. Like - they will learn at the front. And at the front, if there are enough psychos among the mobilized, they will pose a greater danger to their own than the enemy. In the last months of participation in the First World War, the main losses of the officers of the Russian army were by no means from German bullets and shells, by no means.

[your vsr 66-67]

Ruslan Zinin, not working anywhere. The motives of the shooter have not yet been established, it is possible that he has mental health problems.

Why be surprised!? The Irkutsk region is full of camps! It's easier to find someone with a criminal record than one without one!

[former soldier]

Autumn and spring are periods of exacerbation of mental illness in people with unstable mentality. The medical boards apparently did not work well with the client.

[Carlos Hall]

Execute the fifth column, put them against the wall and shoot them

[Charik]

yes, there’s still such a story, the kid gave a bribe to the military commissar to get rid of the army, but the military commissar didn’t help in any way, and the kid stabbed him there for 20 stab wounds, but it was definitely before 2000

[mortido]

At first, they said that they would take up to 35 years old soldiers and up to 45 years old officers with combat experience or according to the Higher Educational Forces. Then it turned out that this was not the case. Then journalists, financiers and IT specialists came up with beneficiaries. Who with money brings down from the country and otmazyaetsya. In addition, the military commissars interpret everything in their own mess, rewrite orders on the go.
On the face of sheer injustice and confusion, all this embitters the people, they turned the mobilization into a madhouse. It was funny to watch on TV how Simonyan was worried about the students of private universities ... just as they are poor, they cannot be allowed to urgently call them for benefits ...
insanity...

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: astepanov

Fifteen years ago, I tried to register with the military registration and enlistment office in connection with the arrival from another city. I traveled four times: either the military enlistment office was closed for some unknown reason, then some important lady was absent, then the electricity was turned off ... He spat and did not get registered. They can, of course, write down as deviationists and deserters, but I'm about to hit seventy. Suitable only for lying on the parapet.
A friend of my daughter received a summons. And she is sixty-two years old. Kose understands that no one will send a grandmother to the front, but this speaks of how they work in the military registration and enlistment offices. Probably, this is not everywhere, but they give a reason for the stench. Everyone knows: a military commissar is, as a rule, a retired officer who received a sinecure and gave up on everything. It seems that he does not even look into personal affairs when sending out subpoenas. Hence the panic, often the evader is not at all a healthy recently retired guy, but a goner chronicle who was intimidated by summons received by others who were just as unfit for service, and who is not even afraid of war, but of the possibility of bending down on the way to the training unit.
And one more thing: why was the military commissar not closed for people of military age without a visa to go abroad? Shouldn't this have been done? Why do village guys have to go and fight, but not urban glamor?

The village is our everything!

[Alexandr2637]

The shooter was arrested

Shoot nafig without trial!

[Rustic]

Judging by the fact that in each article the words of the shooting scribbler are distorted in their own way. Maybe it was the other way around? The unemployed man decided to earn extra money in the SVO, and the military commissar gave him a turn from the gate. So the people were offended, why others go, but he can’t.

[Vdi73]

Autumn exacerbation, and even against the background of mobilization among schizos, began.

[Popov I.P.]

2 shootings per day: in Izhevsk and Ust-Ilimsk. In the first case, it’s definitely a client of a psychiatric hospital, albeit with a swastika on a T-shirt. Secondly, so far one can only guess about the reasons, although it also looks like a seasonal exacerbation. Unfortunately, according to our law on psychiatric care for the population, it is practically impossible to isolate a psycho without his consent until he has done something. It cannot be ruled out that the triggers for this process are launched from the outside, at best under the influence of fakes from the CIPSO of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at worst - through direct recruitment into the intelligence networks of the SBU or the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, they easily find contact with our so-called. "oppositionists", internal Nazis from far-right groups and even Muslim extremists. Just the other day, the FSB prevented the blowing up of pipelines in the Volgograd region by a native of Dagestan, recruited by the SBU, today a recording of the agent’s conversations with his curator was played on a number of channels. Or remember, an attempt to organize the hijacking of a military aircraft from an airfield near Voronezh, when a whole network of SBU and MI-6 was revealed: in order to transfer a deposit of a couple of thousand USD. the well-known Hristo Grozdev from London was involved, and some blogger from Kazan, and a couple of couriers in Voronezh itself. Yes, and there was information in the media about alleged Ukrainian traces in a number of fires in the Russian Federation, both in shopping centers and in forests, the Ukrainian blogosphere in case of any state of emergency in the Russian Federation.