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Essential weapons: why the Russian military-industrial complex is being mobilized

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Essential weapons: why the Russian military-industrial complex is being mobilized
T-90M. Source: en.wikipedia.org



Everything falls into place


The partial mobilization announced by President Putin on September 21 somewhat overshadowed one equally important event - a meeting with representatives of the military-industrial complex. The defense complex, which has been in relative shadow since the beginning of the special operation, has now naturally found itself in the first roles. At the same time, it is wrong to say that the transfer of industry and the economy to a military footing has only just begun.

In accordance with the special measures in the economy, which were approved at the end of July, the authorities can use additional human resources to ensure the defense order. Amendments to the Labor Code regulate overtime work, on weekends, holidays and at night. Naturally, this applies only to "individual organizations" that are directly related to the execution of the defense order. During this difficult time, employees can also adjust their vacation schedule.

Companies providing specialized services do not have the right to refuse to conclude defense contracts. Therefore, the meeting with the leadership of key military-industrial companies was only a reminder of the high responsibility for fulfilling the state order. Vladimir Putin put it quite unambiguously:

"The heads of enterprises of the military-industrial complex are directly responsible for solving the tasks of increasing the production of weapons and military equipment, and deploying additional production capacities."

To ensure uninterrupted supplies of weapons to the front, defense complex workers are exempted from partial mobilization.

The specifics of the work of defense plants directly follows from the peculiarities of the Russian special operation in Ukraine. This is predominantly a land conflict, the outcome of which is decided on the ground. Simply put, the main load is felt by the infantry, tankers and artillerymen. From now on, the work of enterprises is tuned to meet the needs of these military branches. Mostly, of course - no one is going to forget about the needs of the other branches of the military.

First of all, it is necessary to saturate the troops with classic equipment and ammunition - the positional confrontation of recent months implies accelerated wear of guns and a huge consumption of shells. Of course, there will be problems. First of all, of a production and logistical nature - the Russian army has too large a range of artillery systems and calibers. The current situation will lead to a significant renewal of the fleet of self-propelled and towed guns. In particular, much more modern Msta-S will replace the lost and worn-out Acacias.

It would be great if the 152-mm caliber replaces the 122-mm Gvozdika howitzers in a number of areas. The transition of defense plants to a new mode of operation will not only increase the amount of equipment at the front - there will be a qualitative leap. I really hope that we will no longer see the BMP-1 and BTR-80 of the LDNR army on the footage of the chronicle of the special operation. In the end, the armed forces of the republics will soon join the Russian army, which means that they will supply and arm the fighters in a new way.


The new defense order should return the T-62M back to the reserve. Source: ilmessaggero.it

A special burden falls on Uralvagonzavod and Omsktransmash, which should return the T-62M transferred to Ukraine to storage warehouses in the very near future. Even though it's still quite relevant Tanks, they are not suitable for work at the forefront, especially given the enemy's modern anti-tank equipment. In fairness, the T-62M in Ukraine is not used in tank-hazardous areas - even Western statistics recognize no more than 3-5 lost vehicles.

Updating the fleet of these vehicles with the T-72 and T-80 series from Nizhny Tagil and Omsk will, firstly, increase the striking power of the units, and secondly, exclude 115-mm tank ammunition from the production range (if they are manufactured anywhere at all ), thirdly, to release the fourth crew member, the loader, for other needs. These are the minimum tasks. The maximum task is to increase the production of the most modern modifications of the T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M tanks, or rather one of them. The idea will seem seditious, but only the choice of a single tank will quickly increase the production of armored vehicles.

There is no need to look far for examples - during the years of World War II, the Red Army did not have such a motley armored team. And if both tank factories manage to come to an agreement among themselves, with subcontractors, and set up a daily production of a dozen or more T-90Ms, events in Ukraine will noticeably change. And, of course, there should be no talk of any "Armata" and "Boomerangs" - the special operation should not become a testing ground for raw equipment. Only proven and reliable solutions, but at the same time quite modern.

Another seditious thought will be the proposal to curtail the production of the entire line of equipment for the Airborne Forces. The Volgograd plant, which assembles the BMD-4M, each of which costs more than 100 million rubles, should be redesigned to produce the much cheaper BMP-3. The latter, in terms of the combination of combat qualities, noticeably surpasses the standard equipment of the Airborne Forces. Whether it will be possible at the end of 2022 to launch the process of turning the Airborne Forces into an elite heavily armed infantry is still an open question.

Partial Mobilization Challenges


The call for 300 thousand reservists poses a number of difficult tasks for the military-industrial complex. Let us clarify that it is necessary to equip and arm at least fifteen full-blooded divisions. Regardless of whether they will work on the front lines or perform security functions in the liberated territories, the mobilized must receive new weapons. Cold is ahead, which means that the fighters must be provided with high-quality winter uniforms, waterproof and warm sleeping bags. From late autumn, the realities of the special operation will noticeably change.

Firstly, the foliage will fall, which will significantly complicate camouflage, and secondly, the daylight hours will be reduced - all this will transfer a considerable part of the hostilities into the dark. Night optics and thermal imagers are one of the most important components of the equipment of the Russian fighter, which must be given the most important attention. The Ukrainians will not abandon their tactics of infiltrating in small groups through the battle formations of the Allied forces.

In October-November, Bandera DRGs are expected to switch to night mode. Russian thermal imagers and "night lights" should give a qualitative superiority over the enemy in such situations and neutralize the numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Moreover, Russia has long been able to independently produce critically important cooled thermal imaging matrices of the 3rd generation. "Night vision" should become an attribute of every fighter on the front line, and not just specialists of elite units.

Naturally, unmanned aerial vehicles are in the mobilization case of the domestic defense industry. The Iranian "Geran-2" should be 100% localized at Russian enterprises. I hope this is in bold type in the secret decrees on the mobilization of industry.

Of course, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will eventually find ways to fight with kamikaze drones, but they are unlikely to be able to offer anything against their massive use by the Russian side. Apparently, these are not the most high-tech products, which, however, in terms of the “price-efficiency” ratio, can give a hundred points ahead of modern Western technology. Let me remind you once again that Iran developed its drones under the conditions of long-term sanctions.

With the rest of the military equipment is somewhat more complicated. For a couple of months, it will not be possible to radically increase the production of aircraft and helicopters. For some models, the production cycle can reach a year or more. Nevertheless, due to the extensive approach, that is, the expansion of assembly sites, it is quite possible to speed up this process.

The transfer of the military industry to a round-the-clock operation and the expansion of state orders in this area are criticized by many. For example, they point to an excessive load on dual-use factories, which previously also produced civilian products. They say they will stop producing civilian equipment, concentrating on military products.

As a result, ordinary consumers will suffer due to the current shortage. This is not entirely true.

First, the economy in Russia is still a market economy. If the conditional Ural automobile plant switches to four shifts and begins to produce exclusively military trucks, KamAZ will take its place in the civilian market. And vice versa. It is worth recalling that in recent years the capacities of most military (and civilian) enterprises have not been fully loaded.

Secondly, new defense orders will inevitably lead to the loading of a large number of subcontractors throughout Russia. And these are new jobs, new salaries, and hence the growth of the consumer market. He will also have to be satisfied with something. And here we again recall the market economy, when demand invariably gives rise to supply.

All skeptics can also be advised to read history the revival of the United States in the 70th century, which began precisely with the mobilization of industry during the Second World War. The Soviet Union is no exception - 80-30 percent of the current economy is based on the achievements of the mobilization of industry in the 50-XNUMXs.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 September 2022 05: 07
    +28
    The NWO has highlighted all the miscalculations and shortcomings of our economy and the political structure of the country.
    Banal things are happening ... somewhat reminiscent of 1914 ...
    I hope the Kremlin taught this segment of the history of Russia and will not repeat the mistakes of the authorities of the last century.
    1. Dmitry Ivanov_8
      Dmitry Ivanov_8 30 September 2022 06: 45
      +35
      Hurry, 1904. They wanted a "small victorious SVO", but they got what they got :(
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 September 2022 09: 59
        +10
        Rather, the "jamb" in another ....: It was possible to do the same as they did. But already mobilized 300000 fighters with practice at the training ground should have stood behind them .... and Aircraft from the 14th year should not be produced in 15 pieces. And he wrote more than once about a single Su30, instead of Su34 and Su30 ...... we would have many times more bombers.
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 30 September 2022 10: 42
          +26
          The author is broadcasting from a parallel reality. BMP-1 and T-62M appeared after the loss of equipment in a gesture of goodwill. After the loss of equipment as a result of regrouping, it must also be replenished with something, and if you remember that we have mobilized more than we have now in all the ground forces, then the question of the availability of any equipment, and in large quantities, is very acute and with fairy tales and models of the generals who have got themselves into trouble don't save.
          First of all, it is necessary to introduce personal responsibility and shoot those through whose fault we do not have modern equipment in the troops, instead of them put those who can organize the restoration of equipment in a short time.
          It is also necessary to maximize the recovery of T-72, T-80 and T-64, BMP-1/2 and BTR-80 tanks from storage sites, for this it is necessary to deploy repair battalions as close as possible to these places, adapting suitable premises, and so send equipment to factories.
          Naturally, it is necessary to increase the production of T-90M and use the old hulls to the maximum, and the BMP-3 and BTR-82.
          From the T-62 and T-55 tanks rusting at the bases, it is necessary to create a mob version of an inexpensive heavy infantry fighting vehicle, turning the hull backwards and putting it into production wherever possible.

          Naturally, it is necessary to purchase a lot of quadrics and organize their military firmware and train operators. Also, to maximize the production of all UAVs, placing their production at idle aircraft factories, for example, at the Samara aircraft factory.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 30 September 2022 10: 57
            -2
            There is an example, Slovak tanks based on the T-55, Romanian crafts ....
            The number of tanks in 404 is reduced ......
          2. cryolin
            cryolin 30 September 2022 14: 09
            +19
            The fact is that, according to the representation of the internal political leadership, only godfathers can be responsible leaders of important industries and industries. With this you can threaten with a finger, while others will plunder and break everything. Others are destined for the fate of credit squeezers and consumer egoists. Sadly, people are remembered with the onset of a harsh time and with fear, for their privileged position ...
          3. newtc7
            newtc7 30 September 2022 14: 39
            +6
            Yes, I completely agree about the execution of those responsible. Fat functionaries and generals in offices will not be cheered up by anything other than a public execution or sending to the front.
            The second is rearranged completely real
            1. ailcat
              ailcat 1 October 2022 14: 23
              +3
              It is not the public execution of someone that invigorates, but the threat of such against oneself, a loved one. Plus, these people have incomparably more experience in organizing large-scale production than those who can take their place.
              Hence the conclusion: execution will only worsen the situation and disrupt the increase in the production of weapons and ammunition. But the threat of execution, if you do not increase output in a conditional 2 months, will work in the right direction.
              "They don't change horses at the crossing" - just about that.
              1. newtc7
                newtc7 1 October 2022 23: 05
                +3
                Quote: ailcat
                It is not the public execution of someone that invigorates, but the threat of such against oneself, a loved one. Plus, these people have incomparably more experience in organizing large-scale production than those who can take their place.
                Hence the conclusion: execution will only worsen the situation and disrupt the increase in the production of weapons and ammunition. But the threat of execution, if you do not increase output in a conditional 2 months, will work in the right direction.
                "They don't change horses at the crossing" - just about that.


                Yes, they have no experience in organizing production. They have experience in global money laundering like you can't understand it!
                A person cannot be an excellent manager and steal non-stop, this is a different way of thinking, just people have a different head.
                I'm sure almost all of them will do better. It is enough to put a person with enthusiasm, burning eyes and honest, and everything will work out.
                1. ailcat
                  ailcat 2 October 2022 00: 16
                  +1
                  Your approach is forgivable to a schoolboy who saw the plant only in pictures
                  Alas, but I have an experience that completely nullifies your idealism.
          4. Sergey Drozdov
            Sergey Drozdov 30 September 2022 15: 06
            +6
            "First of all, it is necessary to introduce personal responsibility and shoot those for whose fault ..." Comrade, you don't understand something - the author says several times and is proud of it that we have a market economy, and in a "market economy" shoot " somehow it’s not accepted ... it’s somehow not civilized.
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 30 September 2022 21: 53
              0
              Well, you can civilly fry in an electric chair or hang it short and high without any fuss
              1. frog
                frog 1 October 2022 21: 21
                -2
                We don’t have a high chair, but they hang it up ..... "fast and high", EMNIP
          5. Serg serg
            Serg serg 2 October 2022 19: 06
            +6
            One problem. Only Mr. Serdyukov rebates cut naxer. And military repair factories went under the hammer. More than a dozen of them, already no less respected Rostec, went bankrupt and land for building is being sold.
            How is Serdyukov doing with his slut? I am sure that he eats well and sleeps sweetly.
          6. Dmitrii
            Dmitrii 3 October 2022 12: 08
            0
            I agree, and also start buying from neighbors in a dangerous business ...
          7. Barberry25
            Barberry25 3 October 2022 16: 52
            0
            1) there are not so many BTR-80s in warehouses - they have already been transferred to BTR-82a, in reality, to equip a 300 K group, you need up to 10 K units of light armored vehicles, excluding tanks. Order a shot - they are based on trucks with similar armor and weapons, and they can be riveted at 1 per month without straining
            1. Alexey Lantukh
              Alexey Lantukh 3 October 2022 21: 48
              0
              If you believe Wiki, then the ground forces have almost 20 thousand infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers in stock
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 4 October 2022 11: 27
                -1
                the capital of most of which will be comparable to the production of new equipment, not to mention the fact that the resource of the restored equipment, taking into account emergency work, will be very, very small.
          8. Alexfly
            Alexfly 6 October 2022 17: 08
            +1
            Why shoot? Just hang ... and managers with the oligarchs at the same time ..
          9. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 8 October 2022 23: 31
            0
            and shoot those through whose fault we do not have modern equipment in the troops, instead of them put those who can organize the restoration of equipment in a short time.
            You can’t shoot them, cartridges cost money. A rope is a reusable tool, just for such "doers".
        2. storm
          storm 30 September 2022 18: 18
          +1
          . And he wrote more than once about a single Su30, instead of Su34 and Su30 ...... we would have many times more bombers.

          I completely agree and support that since 2011 it was necessary to purchase a single Su-30SM1 / SM2 / SM3 .... According to the combat regiment in Irkut, Komsomolsk and Novosibirsk.
          As a result, over the past 10 years, they would have had 30 regiments of the same type of multi-role fighters (more than 700 units)
          By 25g - about 1000 units.
          From 25g, switch to the production of one and two local Su-57s at all three plants.
          1. ailcat
            ailcat 1 October 2022 14: 59
            +2
            Su-30 is a fighter with the ability to use air-to-surface missiles and free-falling bombs (adjustable ammunition - only with external containers, RE-reconnaissance only with an external container. And an external container is a minus combat load, and on the most valuable - internal nodes).
            The Su-34 is a bomber that, if pressed, can conduct air combat. At the same time, "from the factory" it is equipped with everything necessary for the use of corrected ammunition, conducting REM "in passing" - and this is not counting the fact that missiles can be hung on internal nodes (occupied by the Su-30SM with containers for the use of adjustable weapons, electronic warfare or RER.) or bombs weighing up to 3 tons or fuel tanks.
            And the last thing: the effective combat radius of the Su-30SM does not exceed 300-400 km, for the Su-34 it can reach 600-700 km (and the ability to remove the airfield an additional 300 km from the front line is never superfluous), and with equal to the combat radius, the Su-34 can take 3-4,5 tons more combat load (due to a larger number of free attachment points, three of which, moreover, allow you to take 3-ton missiles instead of 1,5-ton from the Su- 30CM).
            === That is, if one of the two is left, then it is the Su-34 (but it is also much more expensive and more difficult to manufacture than the Su-30SM - greater opportunities are by no means free).

            About the Su-57/75 (like the F-22/35, by the way) - it's not funny at all. Alas, these are "peacetime aircraft". Their effectiveness surpasses the effectiveness of the same Su-35 / F-15 only when countered by an incomparably weaker enemy - with many times greater cost and complexity (and hence duration) of production.
            1. Andy_nsk
              Andy_nsk 2 October 2022 10: 51
              0
              I agree with you about the Su-34, for strikes against ground targets it is much more effective and has serious cockpit protection in the form of an armored capsule made of thick titanium sheet.
            2. SincerityX
              SincerityX 3 October 2022 11: 45
              -3
              In fact, I don’t understand why we still don’t have a front-line bomber of the Xth generation (I don’t understand generations very well, because these are Amer’s standards, which they change like slippers). Namely, the creation of lift by the fuselage (not to be confused with the "flying wing" scheme), the speed of hypersound on the march, the ability to release free-fall bombs, adjustable ammunition, air-to-air missiles, air-to-ground, air-to-radar from the fuselage wassat without slowing down, the possibility of a short-term exit into near space, the possibility of launching special ammunition in near space.
              It's all realistic to implement in the form of an airplane. Which is pretty hard to lose. The main thing is not to be stolen to Japan ...
              1. ailcat
                ailcat 6 October 2022 17: 11
                +1
                Remember the commercial for Hochland cheese? Remember!
                The fact is that all your wishes can be realized with the current level of development of technology and metallurgy ... The only problem is that for the price of one aircraft according to your wishes - you can build a couple of regiments of Su-34 class vehicles (or a squadron or two Tu- 160M2). Whose combat effectiveness will be ten times higher than that of your super bomber, stupidly due to their large number.
                1. SincerityX
                  SincerityX 7 October 2022 09: 25
                  0
                  So his task is not to be effective on the battlefield. Look at how wars are being waged now. In the information space, no less than on the battlefield. The presence of such an apparatus will already make us leaders in this field and will attract countries to our side as supporters. If earlier the war went according to the rules of chess, and then the naval battle, now it is local, and globally the war is according to the rules of the game of Go.
                  1. Dkuznecov
                    Dkuznecov 8 October 2022 22: 27
                    +1
                    global war according to the rules of the game of Go

                    War yesterday and today and tomorrow - checkers "in Chapaev's way."
                    Without beauty, grace and rules.
                    On a tactical level, of course.
                    And only the results show the strategic beauty.
                  2. ailcat
                    ailcat 16 October 2022 18: 14
                    +1
                    Hmm, this is an idea! Play "chapaev" on the Go field. (which is exactly what is happening now).
                    The neo-colonial (when the capture of colonies is carried out not by weapons, but by debts) era ends. It ends stupidly due to the fact that "I want to eat," and eating advice notes and promissory notes is somehow not very satisfying. While real resources became scarce.
                    That is, the era of the game of Go has passed. The era of the game of "chapaev" has come. But instead of checkers, we have Go chips, and there are much more than 64 cells on the field ...
          2. Barberry25
            Barberry25 4 October 2022 11: 27
            0
            beautiful phrase .. about it was necessary ... now you NEED to look at what to do, and not what would have been done in theory in the past
        3. Donbass Russia
          Donbass Russia 1 October 2022 01: 23
          +2
          Everything that you want, they could not do, because. the military budget was limited. To develop the economy and infrastructure of the country. If you create an Air Force of 2 thousand aircraft instead of one and leave 110 flying hours, then you will spend such trillions that there will be no money left on roads or bridges. And there everyone still wants ships, thicker and bigger ICBMs, etc. We need to live according to the possibilities, which we did. Plus, you also affect different aircraft manufacturing plants, they are in different cities, without receiving an order, the skiff would have come to the plant. And there people work and there is no other work, how will you calm them down? Your Su-30SM, in fact, is also an outdated aircraft, with its Bars and engine, it may have to fight with the F-35 and Eurofighter with Rafal, so we urgently accelerated with the Su-57 and Su-35S.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 1 October 2022 19: 12
            -1
            Here you need to count in a circle ... Which is cheaper: to have 300 pieces of conditional Su30cm2 or 100 pieces each - Su34, Su30, Su35 ........ At the same time, you also have 300 bombers that will protect themselves and 300 powerful fighters . And the same pilots
            1. Sergei Kazarin
              Sergei Kazarin 2 October 2022 22: 52
              -2
              Su-34 is a useless cast iron throwing aircraft, which is useless against countries with air defense.
              It is not needed for planning and adjustable bombs
              1. Alexey Lantukh
                Alexey Lantukh 3 October 2022 21: 56
                0
                In general, the developed air defense system really nailed aviation, so its development became problematic. That's why they hit the UAV. And in the frontline zone of aviation there is a replacement in terms of guided missiles and artillery shells, which are very high-tech, which is not easy to provide for our military-industrial complex.
                1. Sergei Kazarin
                  Sergei Kazarin 4 October 2022 13: 19
                  0
                  It was not the air defense that nailed it, but the lack of planning and guided bombs in Russia, which can be hit without entering the air defense zone. And with cast iron, they even shoot down from MANPADS
        4. chetvertak
          chetvertak 1 October 2022 03: 08
          -1
          Is there such a society! It's not clear
          All-Russian Officers' Meeting 19.05.22
          7. Declare partial mobilization throughout the territory of the Russian
          Federation for the additional formation of three full-fledged
          operational-strategic formations: the North Ukrainian Front,
          Central Ukrainian Front and South Ukrainian Front with the creation
          multiple and overwhelming superiority over the enemy in personal
          composition, armament and all types of equipment in order to drastically reduce losses
          and shortening the National Liberation Campaign of the Russian
          Army and military operations in the former Ukraine as a whole.
          To determine the immediate strategic tasks: to the North Ukrainian Front - the liberation of Kharkov, Sumy, Chernihiv,
          Kyiv, Zhytomyr regions and the capital of Little Russia, the city of Kyiv;
          Central Ukrainian Front - completion of the liberation of Donetsk and
          Luhansk People's Republics with the subsequent liberation of the entire
          left-bank part of Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava,
          Cherkasy regions; South Ukrainian Front - liberation
          Nikolaev, Odessa, Elizavetgradka (formerly Kirovograd),
          right-bank parts of the Dnipropetrovsk region, Vinnitsa region
          It is enough to look at the geographical Map, and everything will be clear where and from where to lead the troops what is written in this text But this is 1,5 million people
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 3 October 2022 17: 14
            0
            Well, if this is the case, then they can volunteer for the military registration and enlistment offices, but seriously, at one time a whole bunch of pseudo-councils of officers who worked in the interests of specific politicians divorced .. it's like "director of a public organization of the institute blah blah blah" .. or "Member of the General Organization of the Ministry of Internal Affairs"
            1. chetvertak
              chetvertak 3 October 2022 18: 20
              -2
              oos also flew in illusions along the structure of 3 fronts. But they correctly indicated about mobilization! In three months, everything would be ready to protect not only part of the Kharkov region and other areas where our troops were stationed along with the LDNR
              No one guessed how our army was equipped, and what mediocre generals turned out to be, after the surrender of part of the territories, after learning after Kadyrov’s comment .. There were just a lot of pseudo-generals divorced in the General Staff, and the former from the General Staff switched to advisers to deputies of the city
        5. Dmitry K
          Dmitry K 2 October 2022 00: 52
          +1
          No time for that. It is necessary to make people laugh around the world with tank biathlon.
      2. AG-76
        AG-76 30 September 2022 14: 21
        +8
        That's for sure..
        Analogies suggest themselves from 1904, and from 1914, and from the Second World War, and from Afghanistan, and from the 1st Chechen ...
        Russia/USSR always turned out not to be properly prepared for another war...
        Sorry
        1. Timur_kz
          Timur_kz 1 October 2022 16: 18
          +5
          How can you be unprepared when you initiate a military operation yourself?!
          1. AG-76
            AG-76 3 October 2022 19: 45
            0
            And the Soviet-Finnish war?
            They were awesome...
        2. megavolt823
          megavolt823 1 October 2022 23: 09
          0
          You are greatly mistaken. 1904, all warships were bought from abroad. Maa xim machine guns. This gunsmith was such a Maxim. Emphasis on A. USA. Nagan, revolvers. Belgium. And so on. Despite the famine in the country from 1927 to 1933. The country has built factories. And by the beginning of the war, something had already been produced. KV 1 and KV 2. T-34. And rifle. Many factories were evacuated during the offensive. There was something to evacuate. Machines, people. Afghan it was the dawn of the economy and industry of the USSR.
        3. Barberry25
          Barberry25 4 October 2022 11: 25
          0
          I’ll tell you a secret - no one is ever ready, the same Americans were very surprised when they invaded Iraq both times in terms of preparing for the invasion
      3. xASPIDx
        xASPIDx 3 October 2022 00: 33
        0
        Or maybe a proof about a small and victorious SVO?
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 30 September 2022 15: 59
      -2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The NWO has highlighted all the miscalculations and shortcomings of our economy and the political structure of the country.
      Banal things are happening ... somewhat reminiscent of 1914 ...

      Russia needs an army of two and a half million people, compulsory military service, military service for two years, cadre divisions,. Everything that was optimized during the restructuring of the army, navy and airborne forces .. Up to the military registration and enlistment offices ..
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 4 October 2022 11: 25
        0
        these are the same framed divisions that, back in the days of the USSR, showed themselves very poorly in exercises, by the way, but who will provide 2,5 personnel?
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 4 October 2022 13: 45
          -1
          Quote: Barberry25
          , and who will provide 2,5 personnel?

          Who provides now?
    3. chetvertak
      chetvertak 30 September 2022 23: 14
      -1
      If they taught, they knew! It seems to me that they didn’t even read, but heard the ringing, they didn’t read further than school history, but they thought about democracy. One believes in liberalism, the other in legality, the third in Christianity, the fourth in competitiveness, the market will help us
    4. BennS
      BennS 1 October 2022 11: 29
      +3
      in 1914, the Russian Empire entered MV 1 with 8 aircraft factories and with a fleet of airplanes exceeding the Entente's fleet combined ... well, yes, with an industry technologically lagging behind Europe .. there were problems - but in 1913 RI was growing
    5. Bulgarian_5
      Bulgarian_5 1 October 2022 15: 42
      +4
      Good and smart engineers built you Armata and Kurganets, etc., but you didn’t order, buy and produce these samples of advanced weapons systems on time.

      They saved bucks, Deripaska and Abramovich bought houses and mega yachts offshore, now the guys who are fighting in the outskirts will have to pay everything with blood.
      Putin has already begun the purge, already 40 managers and bosses of thieves have fallen from the hospital window, or died in various "accidents", or "shot themselves", but it's too late.

      The war is on, but the technology is not enough.
      1. Jager
        Jager 1 October 2022 19: 03
        +3
        Where did the information about 40 come from?) If that were the case, now much would be different.
        1. Bulgarian_5
          Bulgarian_5 1 October 2022 21: 33
          +1
          Hello, there is a list lying around on the Internet, here's what I found:
          I can’t remember and know everything for sure, there is new information every day.
          Here's what I eat, Google translator, if you're interested in the full details, I underlined the interpretation of the name:

          September 29, 2022 - Pavel Pchelnikov
          September 13, 2022 - Ivan Pechorin (padane from the boat) - Toy be the managing director of the corporation for the Development of the Far East and the Arctic and the initiative is close to Ruski Island, about 5800 miles east from Moscow. Newsweek editor Pechorin did not work on "modernizing aviation in Russia from the source" and "developing resources in the Arctic in light of the sanctions."
          September 12, 2022 - Vladimir Osechkin (Otselyal) - Frensk authorities are investigating the splashes of the Russian dissident in exile, a trace of the cato of that general, what Svetlina saw from the laser mernik during the eventual experience for the murder, kaza on Tuesday, the source, close to the investigation. Vladimir Osechkin, who is the leader of the non-governmental organization Gulagu.net, which specializes in exposing abuses in Russian shut down, a refugee in France and se Namir in the resort town of Biaritz on the southwestern coast.
          September 1, 2022 - Ravil Maganov (padan from the seer) - 67-year-old Ravil Maganov, former leader of Lukoil - the second company in the Golemin Petrol Company in Russia - fell from the seer at the Moscow hospital, in some places he was cured of a heart attack. According to the time of the present, it is true that the beat of the beat was the same. Before smartta si Maganov, declare what is against nahluvaneto in Ukraine.
          August 16, 2022 - Dan Rapoport (suicide) - For Dan Rapoport, investment banker, tell me, he killed himself in Washington for a few days. The bivshiyat editor in Russian writing off Tatler said on Tuesday that he was going to the close park with a bet and a pre-death letter. But the widowed mu Alena, a Ukrainian virologist, renounced this and that, killed himself, as you say, "no more belezhka, no more suicide."
          July 6, 2022 - Yuri Baranov (gunshot wound) - 61-year-old Yuri Baranov was hit with a gunshot wound in the head, and the Grand Power pistol was opened near the vilata of the mu region of St. Petersburg, according to the local publication 47news. On the bottom on the pool, on the emitter, sa intend two sleeves.
          Tova e petata smart to the leader, connected with Gazprom, contemplate the last month. The company, founded by Baranov, Astra Shipping, specializes in contracts in the Arctic from the control of Darzhavat Gas Corporation, reported 47news.
          May 9, 2022 - Alexander Subotin (Jamaican voodoo rituals) - Ruskiyat oligarch Aleksander Subotin, former manager of Lusoil, an initiative under mysterious circumstances in the court of a shaman, a Russian media. Tvardi behold, che miliarderte went to the shaman's house "in the state of alcohol and drug intoxication den predi" smartta mu, kaza source on TASS. It’s hard to open it in a flock on a mazeto, for some tvardi, which is used for "Jamaican voodoo rituals." Probably he died as a result of the absorption on the Zmian islands.
          May 4, 2022 - Vladimir Lyakishev (gunshot wound) - 45-year-old Vladimir Lyakishev, the former owner of the Verigata restaurant "Brother Karavaev", does not intend to die on the balcony on the 16th floor on the fence, he lived in some way, in general, Ruskata RBC media group. Source kaza on RBC, Che Lyakishev e opened with a gunshot wound in Glavat on 4 May.
          May 3, 2022 - Andrey Krukovsky (padane from rock) - 37-year-old husband beat the director of the ski resort Krasnaya Polyana, located close to Sochi. Tell me, President Vladimir Putin of Russia has repeatedly gone to visit si and karate there. Spored by the Russian messenger "Komersant" Krukovsky beat on a razkhodka on May 2, when he fell from a rock, in spite of the patekat, the forest beat, and Krukovsky e pumped out the shacks.
          April 19, 2022 - Sergei Protosenya (dismissed) - Protosenya beshe intends to obesen, and the wife and daughter of the mu byaha namushkani to smart, with the Spanish television channel Telecinco. In the vicinity, the knife and bradva are okarvaven. Protosenya was a former vice president and chief accountant at Novatek, a gas company closely related to Gazprombank.
          April 18, 2022 - Vladislav Avaev (gunshot wound) - Vladislav Avaev, Bivshiyat vice president at Gazprombank, repaired a gunshot wound in the si apartment in Moscow, informing the Russian TASS agency. Investigation writes in a statement that Xi, which gives priority to the version, in which Avaev was shot by Xi’s wife and Xi’s daughter, and then Xi himself.
          March 23, 2022 - Vasily Melnikov (probodni early) - Vasily Melnikov does not intend to go to the apartment in Nizhny Novgorod, according to the Russian bulletin "Komersant" on March 23. Millionaire beat the namushkan to death, like the spouse of mu and dvamat musin for 10 and 4 years. Knife, for some reason this is crumpled, why is it an orgy to kill something, but open it up for the incident, kaza edition. The policeman is investigating the theory that Melnikov killed the family of si and traced himself to si.
          February 28, 2022 - Michael Watford (unclear) - Michael Watford, 66-year-old British businessman, born in Ukraine, intends to die in South East England on February 28, when a local media reported that he called a policeman.
          February 25, 2022 - Alexander Tyulakov (suicide) - Aleksander Tyulakov, 61-year-old executive director at Gazprom, intends to die in a garage at home in St. Petersburg on February 25, sutrinta track of Kato Rusia nakhlu in Ukraine, general Russian media. Nito "Gazprom", none of the investigative committee in the region sent public statements for smart, which the Novaya Gazeta bulletin defined as obviously suicide.
          February 8, 2022 - Igor Nosov (stroke) - Igor Nosov, former chief executive director of the Corporation for the Development of the Far East and the Arctic, who was 43 years old, suddenly began a stroke in February.
          January 30, 2022 - Leonid Shulman (suicide) - 60-year-old top manager at Gazprom, Leonid Shulman, does not intend to die in a banyata for a villa in the Leningrad region to the belezhka, some policemen are crushed, he killed himself, spored ruskat of the RBC media group.
          December 27, 2021 - Yegor Prosvirnin (padan from the seer) - Ruskiyat nationalist, who criticizes your Vladimir Putin and predicts the civil war, he fell from the seer on the petia floor in Moscow. 35-year-old Egor Prosvirnin from Vladivostok, Rusiya, intends to score a goal “under the protection of the housing estate” on Tverskaya Street in the center of Moscow on December 27th.
          October 19, 2021 - Kiril Zhalo (Padane from the seer) - The Russian diplomat does not intend to follow the padane from the seer to the third floor at the embassy in Moscow to Berlin. Der Spiegel, somehow spread the novelty, the identification of the victim, Kato Kiril Zhalo, at 35 years old, and the blue officer from the Ruscoto found out. The German authorities are in turmoil, because the spy beat the sting all the time, working under the cover of this for the second secretary, this publication.

          One hundred and sixteen souls, who probably beat the nabelyazani saboteurs, the same people were fighting with the energy industry. Corporation for the development of the Far East and the Arctic ruin two leaders.

          "Lukoil" ruin two managers. Don't suspect any deaths related to Gazprom. The pole of the mortni of the case includes padane from some kind of view, kato padane from a rock, from a boat, or a prez seer. Just a few of the three mortal incidents included the murder of a whole family. In the Tazi, a subgroup of dvama imat vrazki with Gazprom. Two of the worst cases of this happened in Russia, and the other in the "Catalunian city".
          1. Jager
            Jager 2 October 2022 22: 55
            +1
            Usual oligarchic showdowns. Big money - big risk. Scorpions in the bank
      2. Sergei Kazarin
        Sergei Kazarin 2 October 2022 22: 53
        +2
        The superyacht in Spain was confiscated not from Abramovich, but from the head of Rostec
    6. skeptic
      skeptic 4 October 2022 13: 46
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I hope the Kremlin taught this segment of the history of Russia and will not repeat the mistakes of the authorities of the last century.

      I'm afraid they have more shows, fireworks, etc. in peacetime.
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 30 September 2022 05: 08
    -20
    We're being thrown here...
    Prepare for war with heavy equipment with NATO.
    And they will pinch from the south, proxies.
    Antiterror nkzhen. Airborne and special numerous. Lancers.
    And equipment for the steppes, deserts.
    Europe and other amtsam-yao.
    They will take the hint. Too powerful for firefights from acacias and d30-immediately to hell with them.
    But 3 billion hours in Asia can shake the West.
    Military-industrial complex and any business are based - on the consciousness of people.
    Educate - 3-5 years.
    Road going by walking.
    There is no modern military-industrial complex yet.
    Bablomoyki.
    Conveyors - rollers creak.
    And it won’t be until mo (documentation with a red star) determines unambiguously what and how much they need. The prices should not be commercial, but to support the manufacturers’ pants (Rostec at a loss?)
    The choice of the goal of the state depends on the government and the party.
    Then - mo and further - VPK.
    The chain is long.
    At the end of the tunnel - the Kremlin and monuments on the Kulikovo field and Borodino - not destroyed
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 30 September 2022 11: 53
      -3
      Quote: antivirus
      Road going by walking.
      There is no modern military-industrial complex yet.
      Bablomoyki.
      Conveyors - rollers creak.

      Jingle relogin.
  3. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 30 September 2022 05: 12
    +21
    And if both tank factories manage to agree among themselves, with subcontractors and ...
    this is where it all ends! No agreements, full control of the authorized body of the state over all enterprises involved in the military-industrial complex, regardless of the form of ownership! This is how the State Defense Committee acted during the Second World War. Mobilization requires a planned, large-scale and controlled at all directions and levels of "linkage" of forces, means, resources, training of professional personnel!
    1. AAC
      AAC 30 September 2022 06: 19
      -1
      A tank engine during the Second World War and NWO is as different as a bicycle and a spaceship. And there is nothing to say about electronics, there was only a headlight and a walkie-talkie, and even then not always. Now you need to calculate all the articles by availability and correlate them with production capacity. The task is difficult, but doable. And the miscalculation will be costly. Very expensive. Heroic deeds are not needed, only subtle calculation. Where will an effective manager from the state get this data from? It's a factory issue.
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 06: 51
        +6
        A tank engine during the Second World War and NWO is as different as a bicycle and a spaceship
        And still, the current tank diesel engine is still the same V-2, albeit modernized.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 30 September 2022 10: 58
          0
          ..and what? he now has 1180ls ..... serial, resource.
        2. ailcat
          ailcat 1 October 2022 15: 10
          +1
          Exactly!
          A smartphone is the same notebook, only modernized.
      2. Jager
        Jager 1 October 2022 19: 09
        -1
        Look at the V-2 from the T-34 and the V-92 from the T-90. Much would become clear.
        Electronics ... military - in fact, it is simple, understandable as a stick and using, albeit ancient, but reliable and proven over the years components.
        1. 2112vda
          2112vda 4 October 2022 08: 07
          +1
          The B-2 series engine has long been obsolete. Who repaired and dealt with those. maintenance of these engines know this very well. With tank diesels, we have a serious strain. If we proceed from the stupid concept that the tank "lives for half an hour", then the engine will do. But this concept is followed only in the former USSR, in the West everything is somehow different. It is clear that 30 years of oligarchic lawlessness destroyed almost everything in the country, and now the moment of truth has come. To pay, for the nonsense of our repainted political elite, the common people will again be with their blood.
          1. Jager
            Jager 4 October 2022 16: 43
            0
            I don’t see anything particularly outdated in a time-tested mass engine. Motor building is a rather conservative area of ​​technology. Moreover, almost everything that is possible has already been squeezed out of them. It is the tank diesel that is the most difficult because it must work in the most difficult conditions. Of course, if it is not a parquet Leclerc. We will not see a qualitative leap here. It will require completely new technologies and materials and years of development. Plus it will be VERY expensive.
    2. bayard
      bayard 30 September 2022 07: 22
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir61
      And if both tank factories manage to agree among themselves, with subcontractors and ...

      The first and very serious mistake. The factories had to negotiate back in the USSR when they chose MBT. And now we have thousands of T-72s, T-80s and ... yes, T-64s in service and at storage bases. And if the war goes completely without limit, then all the available resources will be needed. And factories specialized in the production and repair of T-72 \ 90, as well as T-80 in Omsk (repair plant in St. Petersburg) should each do their own thing - return tanks to service from storage bases in the most modernized form possible, but at the same time - at the fastest possible pace.
      And if it gets particularly hot, then you will have to get the T-64 from the bases and find a separate tank repair plant for this. For we have 4000 such machines in storage. with minimal resource consumption. In addition, the T-64 is very actively exploited in the LDNR.
      But even the tension of all these forces is unlikely to allow reaching the pace indicated by the author ... "a dozen a day" belay For it comes out as much as 4000 pieces. in year . And even the USSR would hardly have succeeded in this. But if at least a third of such a figure, and then not new, but returned to service with some kind of modernization, would already be a very big achievement.
      Tomorrow the Supreme High Command will address the People with a lengthy speech...
      Perhaps martial law will be declared.
      And then, on a full and legal basis, a planned economy will be introduced in the country for everything necessary for the war.
      And I think that the question of a sharp increase in the production of ammunition will be very acute.
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 30 September 2022 09: 31
        0
        Recently, the creation of two large armored tank belts was announced. factories in the Rostov and Moscow regions, they plan to launch them next year.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 30 September 2022 11: 59
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir61
          And if both tank factories manage to agree among themselves, with subcontractors and ...
          Quote: bayard
          The first and very serious mistake. The factories had to negotiate back in the USSR when they chose MBT ....
          The blunder is that these factories are now part of one association and they have one boss.

          The maximum task is to increase the production of the most modern modifications of the T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M tanks, or rather one of them. The idea will seem seditious, but only the choice of a single tank will quickly increase the production of armored vehicles.
          And now only one type of tank is being produced - this is the T-90M.
          The Volgograd plant, which assembles the BMD-4M, each of which costs more than 100 million rubles, should be redesigned to produce the much cheaper BMP-3.
          BMD-4M is produced by Kurganmashzavod. You may not be aware, but when creating the BMP-3, the task was to create an infantry fighting vehicle that could be used by both the Airborne Forces and the ground forces, but the requirements for the vehicle for the Airborne Forces and the ground forces are too different, which is why they made 2 different cars. To each his own.
    3. cost 75
      cost 75 30 September 2022 07: 33
      +5
      Omsk is unlikely to be able to launch the production of new tanks. Only modernization.
    4. sgrabik
      sgrabik 30 September 2022 09: 24
      +4
      That's right, in the current situation, high profits and stuffing your pockets must be completely forgotten, the further fate of our Motherland is at stake, for sabotage, failure to fulfill the State Defense Order and any deliberate sabotage must be severely punished, up to life imprisonment, according to the laws of war, and the fact that NWO has almost turned into a full-fledged war, adequate people understand perfectly well.
      1. your1970
        your1970 1 October 2022 07: 02
        +2
        Quote: sgrabik
        That's right, in the current situation, high profits and stuffing your pockets should be completely forgotten,

        I clarify - that is, workers generally have to work for free?
    5. Jager
      Jager 1 October 2022 19: 15
      0
      Well, it's funny. Everyone forgets that the USSR carried out the industrialization of industry and the development of completely new technology even BEFORE the war. With the T-34, for example, they simply did not have time. A completely new T-34M was supposed to be put on the conveyor from the autumn-winter of 41st. But instead of it, the frankly raw and unfinished T-34 went like that.
  4. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 30 September 2022 05: 21
    +8
    It was smooth on paper... But one thing is true, it is high time to start mobilizing the economy, and not only the military. We still have many critical industries. And most importantly, it is high time to put an end to the substitution of Asian products for Russian goods, finally give at least one chance to real Russian manufacturers, and not to those who pack China in domestic boxes and write what is made in Russia!
    1. gromit
      gromit 30 September 2022 14: 29
      +12
      Yes, please - here is a chance for Russian manufacturers.
      Only they will not close this gap not in a year, not in two.
      Yesterday on BFM there was an interview with the owner of a sewing shop whom they tried to involve in a defense order for sewing uniforms.
      There are no domestic fabrics, there are no domestic threads, there are not even qualified seamstresses. Production facilities are closed, machine tools are scrapped, sewing schools are also closed. And this is not under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but not more than 10 years ago.
      She is glad to take the order, but if she fails, she will receive a term. And to buy from her only what she can produce the state does not agree
      1. frog
        frog 30 September 2022 14: 53
        +3
        Come on, you, in fact ... You would also ask when our normal serial production of art was closed))
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      3. Vyacheslav 64
        Vyacheslav 64 1 October 2022 03: 17
        +2
        You, apart from the primitive tailoring of underpants, do not see anything at all? I voiced more serious problems in our economy!!! At home and in factories, electricity, how and by what means it is generated, transmitted and distributed. Electric motors, any, from small to large, bearings everywhere!!! There is solid China, our manufacturers are simply not allowed on the market. Because China is cheaper, and no one cares about quality. That's where the problem is.
        1. gromit
          gromit 1 October 2022 11: 57
          +4
          You are mistaken. "Our manufacturers are simply not allowed on the market." In a huge number of areas there are no production facilities, there are neither engineering nor working personnel. Absolutely not.
          And this cannot be quickly corrected by mobilizing the economy.
          This is corrected by decades of targeted efforts by the state. Tax incentives, subsidies for the organization of production, the purchase of technology and the poaching of foreign specialists for huge money...
          None of this will be done.
          After the end of the war, the Russian Federation will become a vassal of China, just as Ukraine became a vassal of the United States.
          1. Vyacheslav 64
            Vyacheslav 64 2 October 2022 00: 56
            0
            I am not mistaken as I am inside the industry! And I’m not talking about what we don’t have, I’m talking about what we still have, despite the efforts of officials to destroy this remnant. Preferences everywhere to China and other Asians. It was about this that I immediately wrote, but I don’t understand, why are you arguing? Do you really know, or on Wikipedia? If anything, I am the head of such an enterprise.
            1. gromit
              gromit 2 October 2022 01: 38
              +5
              I work for a "high-tech" company that fulfills orders for the fleet. We tried to find domestic suppliers - there are none. "Domestic microcircuits" are two Chinese ones, carried out as components and molded into one in semi-handicraft conditions. We even order housings for devices in China. Domestic manufacturers cannot make iron boxes according to our technical specifications. Everything proposed is either marriage or the same China.

              Your enterprise produces something and it seems to you that you only need support and you will already replace imports. Happy for you.
              But most manufacturers have already quietly died. And microelectronics died before it was born.
              1. Vyacheslav 64
                Vyacheslav 64 4 October 2022 01: 48
                +1
                Electronics is a separate issue, it was all “borrowed” in the union, to put it mildly, they took a US chip and stupidly copied it. In the early eighties I was engaged in electronics, though household, but in the SA I was directly related to the operation and repair of the military. But even then our lag in electronics was catastrophic, even in the military commissar. I remember the first C 300 on 133 logic, it was then considered the height of progress. But in those same years, it was enough to remove the cover of a Japanese, German video recorder or TV and understand what kind of ass we are in ... But the Russian economy does not live on electronics alone. And I'm telling you about the energy industry, where, unlike electronics, we have always looked good, so the production of equipment for it is now being destroyed, in favor of the Asians. Remember Matvienko with her nails, so why are they not there? And because our wire for nails is more expensive than ready-made nails from China and Belarus. The old man buys the same wire from us for the production of nails and dates it, and develops his production. Where is the money coming from, you ask? I will answer: we have gratuitous loans from good Russia!
              2. Vyacheslav 64
                Vyacheslav 64 4 October 2022 02: 14
                +1
                And I’ll add the economic side of the issue: Let’s say an investor invested $ 100 million in your microcircuit (you can’t create a good special LSI for less), released it, so how many pieces will you buy from him for your fleet, 100, 200 pieces, at what price for 1 piece ?! The state should deal with such things, invest money there, and not in entertainment like the Olympics or the World Cup.
                1. UA3QHP
                  UA3QHP 5 October 2022 21: 52
                  0
                  Let's say an investor has invested $100 million in your chip (you can't create a good special LSI for less),

                  It costs ten times cheaper on average, our engineers do not have very high salaries. sad
      4. Rustic
        Rustic 7 October 2022 02: 50
        0
        She is glad to take the order, but if she fails, she will receive a term.
        Of course it will break, but how else? She wants to earn some money on this order. So that the seamstresses would work in three shifts
        seven days a week and for 20tyr, and the rest is all for yourself. Of course, you can't find qualified workers that way. No one wants to plow for food for three. And it's normal to pay workers - the toad is choking. Take an interest in vacancies and at least omsktransmash, which is talked about a lot here. Working specialties 30-40 thousand. This is even less than the average salary in the region. Well, who will go there? Given that at any time they can cancel the weekend and force them to work in three shifts?
        1. gromit
          gromit 7 October 2022 09: 01
          -3
          In addition to the 13% personal income tax that the worker sees, the employer pays for it: compulsory medical insurance contributions, pension contributions, injury contributions, temporary disability contributions.
          In total, at least 43% go to the state even before the payment of wages (the worker sees only 13). Of the remaining amount - 20% VAT, he gives to the state every time he buys something.
          We will not consider small things such as property tax, transport and OSAGO.
          But of course the state has nothing to do with it, it's all the evil bourgeois who underpays.
    2. Jager
      Jager 1 October 2022 19: 17
      +5
      I was trying to FIND and buy an Orsk freezer here. The plant probably produces something there for someone, but in fact they are not on sale. Chinese - heaps.
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 September 2022 05: 33
    -2
    Quote: antivirus
    At the end of the tunnel - the Kremlin and monuments on the Kulikovo field and Borodino - not destroyed

    You forgot to indicate the destroyed Reichstag and the White House in Washington. belay
    And so, reading your comment, I think that you are retelling your dream ... probably didn’t get enough sleep?
  6. Vladislav 73
    Vladislav 73 30 September 2022 05: 55
    +25
    There is no need to look far for examples - during the years of World War II, the Red Army did not have such a motley armored team.
    It is interesting to look at this "motley team". Well, offhand. The USSR entered the war with a bunch of obsolete tanks already out of production of the T-26, BT series, a certain number of T-28 and T-35, the latest T-34-76, KV-1 and KV-2. Due to the huge loss of tanks, they urgently developed and launched the light T-60, T-70 and the minuscule T-80. T-34-76 (5 or 6 modifications, I don’t remember exactly right now), they tried to somehow modernize the KV-1 .With which they fought until the 43rd year. As they were developed, launched into series, they went to the front: KV-1S, KV-85, T-34-85, IS-1, IS-2 ... this is not counting Lend-Lease equipment. The author did not mention self-propelled guns, Well, I won't remember them.
    Regardless of whether they will work on the front line or perform security functions in the liberated territories
    The negative or sad (as you like) experience of this NWO with "gestures of goodwill", "regroupings" when "everything goes according to plan", shows that today's rear tomorrow may well turn out to be advanced or even a boiler request
    And these are new jobs, new salaries, and hence the growth of the consumer market. He will also have to be satisfied with something. And here we again recall the market economy,
    The author has his head in the clouds. It's somewhere out there, in theory, some market can and does work like that. And "here we remember" about the wild feudalism created in Russia. And all the profits from new orders will go to the salary and bonuses of all kinds of bosses, the board of directors of the enterprise, but above all, the main shareholders! These new orders will not go to any salary increase for the workers. And as for creating jobs ... As a rule, the fulfillment of priority orders is reminiscent of patching Trishka's caftan, when workers are redistributed to priority orders within the enterprise, but no new jobs are created. Who will pay additional wages, it is better to write out bonuses to "your loved ones" (including for saving the wages fund!), And the workers will work without days off. "For a bowl of soup." If for the past three decades there has been such an attitude - as to serfs, why would it suddenly change now ?.
    The Soviet Union is no exception - 70-80 percent of the current economy is based on the achievements of industrial mobilization in the 30-50s
    Well, where is it, this industry? Where are 25 million high-tech jobs? Where are the new production facilities? Conclusion - "walking in the clouds"!
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 30 September 2022 09: 20
      +12
      The author has his head in the clouds. It's somewhere out there, in theory, some market can and does work like that. And "here we remember" about the wild feudalism created in Russia. And all the profits from new orders will go to the salary and bonuses of all kinds of bosses, the board of directors of the enterprise, but above all, the main shareholders! These new orders will not go to any increase in the salary of the workers.

      Absolutely right! They also forgot the crowd of secret girls.
      And the hard workers will get 12/7. Well, rations on coupons.
      1. Vladislav 73
        Vladislav 73 30 September 2022 09: 22
        +6
        That's it, and I'm talking about the same! Everything is as always - "One with a bipod, seven with a spoon!"
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 30 September 2022 12: 15
          +12
          Quote: Vladislav 73
          "One with a bipod, seven with a spoon!"
          As an option
    2. chetvertak
      chetvertak 30 September 2022 23: 23
      0
      The enterprise is expensive! And sellers, drivers, car washers, offices, dealers, consultants, apartment renovation, housing construction, shawarma, that's where 25 million people went. cheap and no need to spend.
      1. Vladislav 73
        Vladislav 73 1 October 2022 00: 33
        +5
        Yeah ... And taking into account the relatively recent "covid frenzy", how much has our economy lost? How much did our "social" state and "responsible" businessmen throw at the people? Someone went into the service sector, someone into the "self-employed" and how many went into the shadows? But how many different "Gintsburgs" have been welded on? "Once lied, who will believe you?" But now, when the thunder struck and the rooster pecked at the fifth point, they remembered those who are capable of producing something with their hands! But what about effective managers, but are they really not needed ?? request
    3. Jager
      Jager 1 October 2022 19: 43
      -1
      KV, T-34, IS and T-70 were the main vehicles in the war. The presence of American and British weather technology, in relation to the Wehrmacht and its trophies, did not.
      Unlike the Germans, we were MUCH better with the range of equipment. The BT and T-26 series were lost for the 41st, almost everything, like the T-28. And these machines were ALREADY taken out of production by the beginning of the war. KV - KV-1, KV-2, KV-1S, SU-152, KV-85; T-34 - T-34/76 (three variants, essentially the difference is in the towers), SU-122, SU-85, T-34/85, SU-100; IS - IS-1, IS2, ISU-122, ISU-152; T-70 - SU-76.
      All of them are practically identical between their series.
      If you take the Germans, then you can go crazy with the number of options and modifications to their technology. If I were a German logistician in charge of supplying ammunition and spare parts for armored vehicles, I would have shot myself in a week. laughing
      1. Vladislav 73
        Vladislav 73 1 October 2022 20: 18
        +2
        And these machines were ALREADY taken out of production by the beginning of the war.
        I'm sorry, that's exactly what I wrote. Isn't that what I wrote? :
        The USSR entered the war with a bunch of obsolete tanks already out of production of the T-26, BT series, a certain number of T-28 and T-35
        I also wrote about self-propelled guns, although I know their nomenclature very well:
        The author did not mention self-propelled guns, well, I will not remember them either.
        I wrote all this exclusively for the author of the article, who points out that in the Second World War there was no such "motley" armored team as it is now:
        There is no need to look far for examples - during the years of World War II, the Red Army did not have such a motley armored team.
        So I did not quite understand what you wanted to say or object .... hi
        1. Jager
          Jager 2 October 2022 22: 48
          +1
          If we calculate by specific gravity, then from the medium tanks we had the T-34, heavy KV / IS, the light fleet was motley, but it was very quickly knocked out and from the beginning of the 42nd ceased to play a serious role.
          And now we have essentially the same tanks, which are completely different in their performance. Their combat value is + - one, but technically they are not interchangeable.
          It's the same as conditionally having a bunch of T-34/85, T-43 and T-44, having neither light nor heavy vehicles. Moreover, the cars I cited are much more similar to each other than the T-64/72/80. In fact, the USSR jumped into the same rake with a running start, which the Wehrmacht walked with their Pz.III / IV. And the parallel production of which was a huge mistake.
          1. Vladislav 73
            Vladislav 73 2 October 2022 23: 51
            +2
            Quote: Jager
            In fact, the USSR jumped into the same rake with a running start, which the Wehrmacht walked with their Pz.III / IV. And the parallel production of which was a huge mistake.

            Yes, no one argues with this! It’s just that this particular topic of three MBTs (regardless of what the conversation about this article actually started with) is so beaten, hackneyed, moved, so many “copies are broken” that it’s even reluctant to touch it! , if interested, for example: https://topwar.ru/16511-t-64-t-72-ili-t-80-chto-luchshe.html
            1. klara
              klara 8 October 2022 01: 02
              0
              Quote: Vladislav 73
              The USSR jumped on the same rake with a running start

              And why did he win?
  7. Stas157
    Stas157 30 September 2022 05: 56
    -4
    About Geranium:

    . Apparently, these are not the most high-tech products, which, however, according to the “price-efficiency” ratio can give a hundred points ahead of modern Western technology

    Can not. This is a huge, slow-moving and very loud target - heard from afar, for which it was nicknamed "moped" by Ukrainians. She is easily knocked down for obvious reasons.

    By far the best alternative would be the impact Orion. Reusable unlike Geranium. Where is he? For its serial production, a whole plant in the Moscow region was built ... So what?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 30 September 2022 06: 23
      +4
      Quote: Stas157
      She is easily knocked down for obvious reasons.

      It's not true... try to knock down this moped at night... it's like catching a mosquito in the dark.
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 30 September 2022 12: 13
      +2
      Quote: Stas157
      By far the best alternative would be the impact Orion. Reusable unlike Geranium. Where is he?

      Coming soon, don't worry.
    3. chetvertak
      chetvertak 30 September 2022 23: 37
      -2
      At best, in half a year, drones will appear.! Therefore, we buy in Iran
  8. ocean
    ocean 30 September 2022 06: 08
    +10
    At one point in the article, I fully share the opinion of the author. Night optics and thermal imagers are urgently needed. Since, we mediocrely missed such an aspect on the theater as the UAV. They underestimated their role. It is bitter to realize that there are no such people in the Moscow Region who would see this trend and anticipate such a development of events. We learn and we learn from our mistakes. And behind them lies the real lives of soldiers and civilians.
    1. 2112vda
      2112vda 30 September 2022 06: 40
      +22
      You are wrong about MO. They've been doing this for a long time. Everything rested on the Ministry of "everything", namely the Ministry of Industry and Trade with their "effective managers" and "financial flows". I can give a lot of examples of how this department screwed up on the example of the same aircraft engines for UAVs. Under I.V. Stalin, the people's commissariats were led by engineers, now "effective managers" with a humanitarian education, but simply "accounters on a show-off." Now in Russia the situation is similar to 1914. In 1914, manufacturers and merchants of various guilds, an analogue of modern "effective managers", could not provide the imperial army with everything necessary, hence the shortage of cartridges and shells. The envoys of the king, in the form of regular officers, traveled all over the world with attempts to purchase the required weapons. Final, revolution of 1917. Well, the Russian oligarchs and other capitalists are not capable of providing the state defense order. Both in tsarist Russia and in modern oligarchic Russia, all the interests of our "money chuvals" are located abroad. The tsarist elite had French as their second language, or maybe their first. What then, what now for our capitalists, Russia was "a hunting ground or a fodder base." They do not need a victory from the word at all, mentally they are citizens of the West, i.e. foreign agents. And you are going to win with them? The common peoples of Russia is one thing, the financially industrial elite (even by the predominant nationality) is quite another. In fact, we are just a "bucking colony of the West." The truth needs to be looked into. Without a radical reorganization of Russia, we will not win.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 30 September 2022 08: 12
        +8
        In 1914, manufacturers and merchants of various guilds, an analogue of modern "effective managers", could not provide the imperial army with everything necessary, hence the shortage of cartridges and shells.

        They couldn’t, but they didn’t want to ... Read about the difference in the price of, say, a state-owned shrapnel shell and a private one .. Even the king says the hair on his belly stirred from such impudence .. In general, the private supply of the tsarist army is a topic for a separate anecdote. And now - everything is repeated one to one. For the bourgeoisie is only interested in profit, the concept of the Motherland is absent for him ..
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 30 September 2022 10: 28
          -8
          Quote: paul3390
          In 1914, manufacturers and merchants of various guilds, an analogue of modern "effective managers", could not provide the imperial army with everything necessary, hence the shortage of cartridges and shells.

          They couldn’t, but they didn’t want to ... Read about the difference in the price of, say, a state-owned shrapnel shell and a private one .. Even the king says the hair on his belly stirred from such impudence .. In general, the private supply of the tsarist army is a topic for a separate anecdote. And now - everything is repeated one to one. For the bourgeoisie is only interested in profit, the concept of the Motherland is absent for him ..

          Have you ever wondered why a state-owned shell is cheaper? Is it because the salary of a worker producing this shell was artificially lowered, as the prices for weapons are now set by mo.
          1. klara
            klara 8 October 2022 01: 01
            0
            Quote: Pilat2009
            not because the wages of the worker were underestimated,

            Nonsense! You need to know the facts and not demonstrate illiteracy! The workers of the Obukhov and Semennikovsky factories received about the same as the Putilov one. But Putilovsky was PRIVATE! There is a board of directors of 13 people and only 1 Russian Putilov, the rest are foreigners and even Germans. And state-owned factories were NON-CAPITALIST. WORKERS of Putilovsky appealed to the tsar to take the plant into the treasury. Answered: "The sanctity of private property." So he eventually received holiness in the basement in 1918, which was what he was going for.
      2. sgrabik
        sgrabik 30 September 2022 13: 23
        +5
        Maybe it's time to start taking a hard look at all this riff-raff that has settled in the field and is responsible for the implementation of the State Defense Order, all these so-called "effective managers" are mostly inveterate scoundrels who won't even take a step if they don't extract super profits from this, for them national Russia's interests are not important at all, it's time to urgently remove such characters from leadership positions and politics, it is necessary to start cleansing our country of all this filth.
        1. chetvertak
          chetvertak 30 September 2022 23: 41
          0
          So who will figure it out during the war? Nobody
      3. klara
        klara 8 October 2022 00: 56
        0
        Quote: 2112vda
        Ministry of Industry

        And Putin's minister Manturov advises us to eat larvae and beetles - seriously. On TV it was
  9. demiurg
    demiurg 30 September 2022 06: 17
    +8
    Of course, it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick. But you need to be realistic.

    Msta-S will not replace towed artillery in the near future. And the T-90 will not force out all the other tanks from the front line either. And the BMP-3 will not become the only type of BMP in service with the RF Armed Forces. Not a single economy on the planet, neither the American, nor the Chinese, nor ours, is capable of such a thing.

    Now, in parallel with the increase in modern technology, it is necessary to modernize, taking into account the experience of the NWO, what we have. Armored vehicles need more protection? This means that it is necessary to develop and produce kits that can be mounted in regimental workshops. Does artillery need mobility and accuracy? This means putting Hyacinths and Msta on the frame of KAMAZ, adding ASUNO. It is necessary to use what is available to the maximum, the Israeli experience as an example.

    I’ll say a seditious thing, but we need someone like Serdyukov (namely a civilian) to push through the modernization and production of new and existing equipment. People must be taken from the front, and they must set tasks for industry.

    It’s good, of course, to argue from the couch, but one must strive for something like this.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 30 September 2022 10: 25
      +1
      Quote: demiurg
      Of course, it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick. But you need to be realistic.

      Msta-S will not replace towed artillery in the near future. And the T-90 will not force out all the other tanks from the front line either. And the BMP-3 will not become the only type of BMP in service with the RF Armed Forces. Not a single economy on the planet, neither the American, nor the Chinese, nor ours, is capable of such a thing.

      Now, in parallel with the increase in modern technology, it is necessary to modernize, taking into account the experience of the NWO, what we have. Armored vehicles need more protection? This means that it is necessary to develop and produce kits that can be mounted in regimental workshops. Does artillery need mobility and accuracy? This means putting Hyacinths and Msta on the frame of KAMAZ, adding ASUNO. It is necessary to use what is available to the maximum, the Israeli experience as an example.

      I’ll say a seditious thing, but we need someone like Serdyukov (namely a civilian) to push through the modernization and production of new and existing equipment. People must be taken from the front, and they must set tasks for industry.

      It’s good, of course, to argue from the couch, but one must strive for something like this.

      Serdyukov is not needed here, but Vannikov and Novikov. Well, Zhukov would not hurt
      1. frog
        frog 30 September 2022 13: 52
        +3
        And the best friend of athletes, under whom all the mentioned characters appeared, you, of course, forgot? wink
        1. Alf
          Alf 30 September 2022 20: 03
          +1
          Quote: frog
          And the best friend of athletes, under whom all the mentioned characters appeared, you, of course, forgot? wink

    2. chetvertak
      chetvertak 30 September 2022 23: 48
      -2
      But Serdyukov is not from the front! Now it’s too late to put it. Let today’s Generals rectify the situation. And the AP must be excluded from everything altogether. Expel Medvedev from the Security Council of the Russian Federation and Shoigu.
    3. Nordsc0l
      Nordsc0l 3 October 2022 18: 48
      +1
      Europeans and Americans are easier, they have the same type of tank, infantry fighting vehicle, etc. at least not for everyone. There is a towed version of Msta S, this is Msta B, but it is too small. There is also Hyacinth B. There are more of them, but also few. Secondly, it makes no sense to develop Hyacinth when there is a more advanced Msta S. And lastly, there is a version of Msta based on Kamaz. It should be tested, but it’s not clear how it will go on
  10. Carib
    Carib 30 September 2022 06: 23
    +6
    There are 3 main modern ones, they all need to be released. Something is missing for the T-90M, we are releasing the T-72B3M.
    The range of parts of components and blocks is slightly different, it allows you to produce what you can install. Why should Omsk be rebuilt, retrained, even if the T-80 of the latest, most advanced modification is made, the old T-80 is being repaired, modernized
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 30 September 2022 09: 25
      +3
      There are 3 main modern ones, they all need to be released.

      First, reanimate and modernize tanks "from storage". It is faster, cheaper and does not take up space in the main production. And the production of new technology.
  11. Architect
    Architect 30 September 2022 06: 40
    +2
    This in the conditions of the Russian Federation will be done for years, if not decades.
    Especially when it comes to trucks.
    There were a lot of components from Europe, and what they now want and take in return from China, most likely, will also be refused due to the threat of secondary sanctions.
    And of course, the arms race will lead to another round of inflation.
    It was necessary to think earlier.
    And we have a whole life at first they do, and then they just think.
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 September 2022 07: 21
      +4
      Quote: Architect
      Especially when it comes to trucks.
      There were a lot of components from Europe

      Nothing prevents "taking a step back" and starting to supply the troops with models that were invented back in the USSR
      1. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 30 September 2022 09: 28
        +5
        Nothing prevents "taking a step back" and starting to supply the troops with models that were invented back in the USSR

        Are you sure that old machines, equipment and smart hard workers have been preserved?
        Then we need mobilization and urgent training of specialists for production.
        1. svp67
          svp67 30 September 2022 10: 17
          +3
          Quote: VIK1711
          Are you sure that old machines, equipment and smart hard workers have been preserved?
          Then we need mobilization and urgent training of specialists for production.

          Yes, I'm sure, since "those Soviet trucks" are still in service with the RF Armed Forces
          1. frog
            frog 30 September 2022 13: 55
            +1
            But in vain. Curious about how many factories there were then, the number of workers (and not managers)), and their productivity. And do not forget that they had a crowd of subcontractors. throughout the USSR. And there is an opinion)) that some nuances will immediately become clear ....
            1. svp67
              svp67 30 September 2022 13: 58
              -1
              Quote: frog
              But in vain.

              Then it means that the military registration and enlistment offices will raise the lists of traffic police and begin to mobilize the equipment of enterprises
              1. frog
                frog 30 September 2022 14: 56
                +1
                Oh. Two, maybe three times .... And if he says it himself, then four. Patamushta s / h / and MOT the army does not have, patamushta for the steering wheel will be imprisoned, who will be imprisoned. And he will not play much with technology. And Volvo is not a Kamaz for you, even a new one.
                About what will happen to the economy, where most of everything travels by truck, and not by rail, through the efforts of guarantee nominees, and about the fact that ... businessmen will start yelling, I'm not talking about.
          2. The popuas
            The popuas 30 September 2022 14: 50
            +4
            They are coming from storage bases! In 2000, KAMAZ trucks came from storage to Vladikavkaz from Birobidzhan ... with min mileage!
  12. svp67
    svp67 30 September 2022 07: 19
    +3
    In particular, much more modern Msta-S will replace the lost and worn-out Acacias.
    Which have not been released for a long time, but now they are hastily putting in order and modernizing. Now we need completely new systems, if it’s not possible to mass-produce the Coalition, then why didn’t the Malva join the troops?
    A special burden falls on Uralvagonzavod and Omsktransmash
    The author is not even aware that OmskTransMash is just a structural subdivision of UralVagonZavod (UVZ), as well as UralTransMash, at whose facilities our self-propelled caterpillar artillery is being modernized, like the Central Research Institute Burevestnik, which designs and manufactures self-propelled wheeled gun mounts
    So, a HUGE load falls on UVZ. And it can be almost removed by transferring part of the modernization work to the former BTRZ (Armored Repair Plants) of the RF Ministry of Defense, which are now private enterprises
    The maximum task is to increase the production of the most modern modifications of the T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M tanks, or rather one of them.
    Of this trinity, the T-72B3 and T-80BVM underwent modernization work at OmstyazhMash, but the T-90M was produced directly at UVZ. It has long been proposed to make a single fighting compartment and install it on all our tanks during modernization and when new ones are released.
    The Volgograd plant, which assembles the BMD-4M, each of which costs more than 100 million rubles, should be redesigned to produce the much cheaper BMP-3.
    No, it is necessary to abandon the mass production of BMD, since its use as planned is not realistic now and in the near future. And if now you decide to rebuild the Volgograd plant, then only under the BMP-3M "Dragoon", with the prospect of producing "Kurganets"
    The Iranian "Geran-2" should be 100% localized at Russian enterprises.
    Again, I don't agree. "Geran" is a very primitive and crudely made UAV, a matter of the near future, when the Ukrainians, with the help of their partners or on their own, learn how to deal with it. So, it is necessary to arrange the production of a new UAV, developed on the basis of the combat use of "Geran"
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 30 September 2022 10: 22
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      In particular, much more modern Msta-S will replace the lost and worn-out Acacias.
      Which have not been released for a long time, but now they are hastily putting in order and modernizing. Now we need completely new systems, if it’s not possible to mass-produce the Coalition, then why didn’t the Malva join the troops?
      A special burden falls on Uralvagonzavod and Omsktransmash
      The author is not even aware that OmskTransMash is just a structural subdivision of UralVagonZavod (UVZ), as well as UralTransMash, at whose facilities our self-propelled caterpillar artillery is being modernized, like the Central Research Institute Burevestnik, which designs and manufactures self-propelled wheeled gun mounts
      So, a HUGE load falls on UVZ. And it can be almost removed by transferring part of the modernization work to the former BTRZ (Armored Repair Plants) of the RF Ministry of Defense, which are now private enterprises
      The maximum task is to increase the production of the most modern modifications of the T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M tanks, or rather one of them.
      Of this trinity, the T-72B3 and T-80BVM underwent modernization work at OmstyazhMash, but the T-90M was produced directly at UVZ. It has long been proposed to make a single fighting compartment and install it on all our tanks during modernization and when new ones are released.
      The Volgograd plant, which assembles the BMD-4M, each of which costs more than 100 million rubles, should be redesigned to produce the much cheaper BMP-3.
      No, it is necessary to abandon the mass production of BMD, since its use as planned is not realistic now and in the near future. And if now you decide to rebuild the Volgograd plant, then only under the BMP-3M "Dragoon", with the prospect of producing "Kurganets"
      The Iranian "Geran-2" should be 100% localized at Russian enterprises.
      Again, I don't agree. "Geran" is a very primitive and crudely made UAV, a matter of the near future, when the Ukrainians, with the help of their partners or on their own, learn how to deal with it. So, it is necessary to arrange the production of a new UAV, developed on the basis of the combat use of "Geran"

      What is the new one? Does it have some kind of special engine? Geranium is cheap and cheerful and costs less than the rocket that will shoot it down
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 September 2022 10: 38
        -1
        Quote: Pilat2009
        What is new?

        With the best features and capabilities
        Quote: Pilat2009
        does it have a special engine?

        Well, it's enough to work on the screw to reduce the overall sound.
        Quote: Pilat2009
        geranium is cheap and cheerful and costs less than the rocket that will shoot it down

        And what is the point in that "Geranium" if it is shot down? Moreover, for this you can not spend rockets. The "Geranium" application system has a "weak link", this is the presence of an UAV that controls them and it is enough to bring it down, as Geraniums will work only according to pre-set coordinates ... And this is not always effective
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 September 2022 11: 04
      0
      And I agree .... only mass Geranium is needed, with our GOS and an expensive option with optics like Israeli cars. With a single PU. Or a larger "Lancet" ... Jews make both lines: both the wing and the X-shaped. And their warhead dimension is 1-3-5 or more kg. And propulsion: electric piston-jet.
      The Iranians actually gave us Hymars with a propeller.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 1 October 2022 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        And I agree .... only mass Geranium is needed, with our GOS and an expensive option with optics like Israeli cars. With a single PU. Or a larger "Lancet" ... Jews make both lines: both the wing and the X-shaped. And their warhead dimension is 1-3-5 or more kg. And propulsion: electric piston-jet.
        The Iranians actually gave us Hymars with a propeller.

        You first learn how to make an engine and optics, and then you can dream.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 1 October 2022 15: 00
          +1
          My childhood was spent with mopeds ... I myself don’t understand the great difficulty of production ...
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 3 October 2022 20: 44
            0
            Under Euro-5 standards do not pass, I think so. With the help of such norms and other restrictions, it is possible to destroy all the remnants of industry, which in fact is happening.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 4 October 2022 17: 52
              0
              And what kind of internal combustion engines pass for UAVs? Such norms? Diesel write stands on Geranium
        2. svp67
          svp67 4 October 2022 10: 58
          0
          Quote: Pilat2009
          You first learn how to make an engine and optics, and then you can dream.

          There is an engine, a whole line of any for UAV targets of the Adjutant complex, and optics is not a problem. But microelectronics is still a problem
    3. chetvertak
      chetvertak 30 September 2022 23: 53
      -1
      Everything is written correctly! How long will it take until everything goes into the series in a stream, no one writes
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 1 October 2022 15: 08
        0
        This requires changes in approaches ...... Allow the Iranians. Build a factory. Guarantee the defense order....... They are alive. will find partners here and will work
    4. Nordsc0l
      Nordsc0l 3 October 2022 19: 43
      0
      It looks like there are some serious problems with the Coalition, it seems to me that it will not be launched into production in the near future, if at all. And Malva is Msta S, only based on Kamaz. As for the tanks, there was work on the Burlak universal fighting compartment, but something went wrong and everything died out. It was 10-15 years ago. Regarding Gerani, I agree, it seems to me that they have already learned how to deal with them, but the problem is that Orions and Orlando cannot produce in the required quantities. Perhaps foreign components are used there.
    5. Nordsc0l
      Nordsc0l 3 October 2022 19: 46
      0
      Regarding BMP 3 Dragoons, there are only changes from the front engine and, accordingly, the ramp. My opinion, we need Manul. Cornet is better than Sheksna. Regarding Kurganets, there are many shortcomings, it seems to me that the Moscow Region simply abandoned it. Since state tests were planned back in 2018, and things are still there
  13. billybones
    billybones 30 September 2022 07: 19
    +16
    Some Manilovian dreams. The surviving military-industrial complex enterprises are for the most part at the disposal of "effective managers" who have replaced production workers with Soviet experience. This replacement did not take place by itself, spontaneously. "Effective managers" were put in to "cut and master" budgets. What they do with maximum diligence and ingenuity, fulfilling their positions and sharing with those who appointed them.
    Behind them "effective managers" drag their relatives and acquaintances, who are useless at best. At worst, they interfere with the work of surviving specialists. Under these loafers, positions of all kinds of managers and controllers are created and multiply.
    All these personnel parasitize on those who really keep the enterprises afloat and receive salaries as leftovers from the master's table.
    1. ZIF122
      ZIF122 1 October 2022 00: 42
      +4
      Agree completely! It is at such an enterprise that I work! And if this system is not broken, nothing will work out!
  14. FoBoss_V
    FoBoss_V 30 September 2022 07: 40
    +11
    Yes. But a letter came today signed by the head of the city with a request to ensure the work of the commission for the mobilization of workers from the plant performing the state defense order (defence) not involved in the implementation of the defense order. At the plant, there is already a catastrophic lack of personnel due to the fact that the state shamelessly cuts prices in an unmotivated way, there is no opportunity to set competitive salaries because of this, and then people will be taken away. In general, how and with what are they going to fight? But in the government of the region, in ministries and departments, there is just a cloud of idle drones, the deputies have a staff of assistant drivers and servants. Everything is a lie, and about 300 thousand mobilized lies, and about a certain lie, and about the age of 35 lies, and bespectacled men are rowing and all sorts of sick people, now the reservation of the military-industrial complex is also a lie
    1. frog
      frog 30 September 2022 14: 44
      0
      But a letter came today signed by the head of the city with a request to ensure the work of the commission for the mobilization of workers from the plant performing the state defense order (defence) not involved in the implementation of the defense order. At the plant, there is already a catastrophic lack of personnel due to the fact that the state shamelessly cuts prices in an unmotivated way, there is no opportunity to set competitive salaries because of this, and then people will be taken away.

      What are you talking about? They convinced me over there that everything is just amazing, the factories are being built at once, and they switched to 3 shifts a week and everything is top-notch, the products are literally flowing like a river .....
      And you say there are no people, and the remains are taken away ... how is it ??))
      1. FoBoss_V
        FoBoss_V 1 October 2022 01: 57
        +5
        Well, something like this .. Apparently someone deceived you. We have a million-strong army of security officials (the Investigative Committee, the Federal Security Service, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office, the Ministry of Emergency Situations) for years receiving goodies from the state, the benefits of a sanatorium apartment for free, but in the very first wave of mobilization they begin to pull the military-industrial complex, where the average salary at the enterprise is slightly more than 40, in the shops in the summer there is a bath sauna , and in winter the temperature is slightly above zero . I really don't understand what's going on anymore. Sur some kind of circus with clowns ... The feeling that I'll wake up and everything will be different, but then I understand that this is reality
        1. frog
          frog 1 October 2022 21: 28
          +1
          Looks like someone scammed you.

          Well, Monsieur balked at fine words for a long time. But it is useless to explain to such a stable character what is happening with the prom, and not only there. Like many others. After all, everything is simple for them, change the bosses, shoot the old one (and the one who put the previous one will replace him and will not change the rules of the game) and everything will be tip-top.
          There will be no, even if these ..... pillars of the vertical in batches ... dispose of ....
  15. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 30 September 2022 08: 47
    +2
    It is possible to deploy the production of drones at the mothballed assembly sites of car factories. One AvtoVAZ has two idle sites, the former Niva Travel assembly line and a new Niva assembly plant - 3. Nearby is a foundry, machining, all logistics from railway to waterways.
    1. Dmitry Rigov
      Dmitry Rigov 30 September 2022 19: 14
      +3
      There is no sense if there are no technologies for the production of engines, avionics. This is precisely the reason why the same Kronstadt cannot simply start riveting its projects into a series. As the general director of CIAM stated last year, domestic engines are planning to appear in 5 years.
      "It's sad that they don't exist (piston engines - ed.), but I'm sure that in five years there will be standard domestic piston engines of various capacities - 50" horses ", 80, 150, 200, 500, on the basis of which you can build drones in the interests of the Ministry of Defense," he said.

      https://ria.ru/20210205/dron-1596104487.html
      With avionics, the situation is about the same, or even worse, because this is a high-tech industry and there you can only hope that the Chinese will sell us.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 30 September 2022 22: 01
        +1
        Quote: Dmitry Rigov
        There is no sense if there are no technologies for the production of engines, avionics.

        VAZ had a design of a rotary piston engine. Even two sizes. And a limited edition.
        If desired, it would be possible to revive. RPD for UAVs is the most.
  16. bandabas
    bandabas 30 September 2022 09: 10
    +5
    In order to implement the enormity of plans, first of all, it is necessary to radically clean up the "menegars" and their patrons. And then they have a habit of jumping from one "bread" position to another.
    1. FoBoss_V
      FoBoss_V 30 September 2022 09: 21
      +6
      Yeah. And the most striking example is Rogozin, who smoothly moves into the chair of the plenipotentiary in the new Crimean pho. Do you really think that with these people it is possible to make a breakthrough at the front and in the rear? No matter how critically I treat Monsieur Girkin today in the cart there was a small video of him, an excerpt where he expressed my old thought: frames decide everything. And while at the helm of ministries, departments, armies, concerns and JSC military-industrial complex are the same people as now there WILL NOT be a victory !! At least take all the Russian men to the front .. It won't. We urgently need to change people yesterday in accordance with their professionalism, integrity, ability to lead and command. Feel free to promote in positions and ranks, regardless of age. And they are simply terribly afraid of this, that really people who think about the state interests, and not about their own, will come. Their rotten to the core and long-suffering control machine will not cope with the assigned task.
    2. frog
      frog 30 September 2022 14: 45
      +1
      Mdya .... And how do you imagine this? only really, and not discussing a round horse in the world on air ... There is such a genre for this - an alternative history. But we have something real and not alternative ...
    3. Alf
      Alf 30 September 2022 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: bandabas
      And then they have a habit of jumping from one "bread" position to another.

      Not in their habit, but in Someone's habit of transplanting their own ...
    4. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 00: 00
      0
      So they write that everything was crushed by the FSB. Customs, banks, etc. Through this structure, managers and thieves came to director positions, and they pulled their classmates, relatives into accountants, masters, chiefs
  17. Maks1995
    Maks1995 30 September 2022 09: 19
    +2
    A bit reminiscent of articles about party congresses ... Success, we will do it, we will, we must ....
    And if you think about it, logic.
    T62 to return to warehouses, because. new tanks will be. But there will be reservists. Will there be enough for all new ones? or else from the T62 warehouses you will have to take
  18. Dimax-nemo
    Dimax-nemo 30 September 2022 09: 33
    -5
    It's funny to read about the BTR-80. BTR-82A is so different? The fact that there is a gun? A useful thing, of course. But by and large, this is the BTR-80 with a gun.
    Shot shells and barrels? Well, if they shot faster and more accurately, there would be no need to spend so many shells.
    In general, everything would be much easier if they crushed the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the end. And what is needed for this? More shells?
  19. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 30 September 2022 10: 17
    +3
    I mean, during the war years there was no tank zoo? At the same time, the troops in the middle of the war were BT, Matilda, T34 with 76 and 85mm, kV, self-propelled guns with 76 and 100mm guns, by the end of the war, Isa and Shermans were added
  20. Alien From
    Alien From 30 September 2022 10: 22
    +9
    Here they buy socks mobilized for themselves. am what a pancake thermal imagers !!!!! angry
  21. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 30 September 2022 10: 37
    -1
    First of all, it is necessary to saturate the troops with classic equipment and ammunition - the positional confrontation of recent months implies accelerated wear of guns and a huge consumption of shells.

    Finally, they realized that ... they repeated the mistakes of 1904 and 1914, and to some extent 1941. In the first two cases, "unparalleled" ships were hit, but there was a desperate shortage of classical equipment and ammunition for the ground forces, and even worse, the industry capable of produce them on the required scale.
    In 1941, tanks and aircraft were riveted, but there were not enough infantry and artillery. But then there was an industry that quickly corrected all the mistakes. Now it is not clear what position - 1914 or 1941.
    It would be great if the 152-mm caliber replaces the 122-mm Gvozdika howitzers in a number of areas.

    Not great, but another mistake. It will be great if one old 122 mm howitzer is replaced by 2-3 new 122 mm howitzers and even better a dozen 76 - 85 mm guns or 120 mm self-propelled mortars. This will be better both as an efficiency on the battlefield and for replacing barrels and for shell consumption.
    And of course, it is necessary to produce on a huge scale cheap UAVs, balloons, balloons, and so on for the battlefield.
  22. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 30 September 2022 10: 49
    -3
    Russian thermal imagers and "night lights" should give a qualitative superiority over the enemy in such situations and neutralize the numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    The numerical superiority of the APU should not be a bit. This is the whole point of mobilization. Russia has five times the population. The numerical superiority can be leveled only if you outnumber the enemy qualitatively by a square. If the enemy has 3 times the numerical superiority, it must be qualitatively 9 times superior to level it. This is a well-known law in military affairs and it is easy to prove it. If you have a probability of hitting an enemy of 0,1 and there are three of you, the total probability of hitting one enemy will be 0,3. Then one enemy must have a 0,9 hit probability bit to achieve a 0,3 hit probability for each of the three of you.
    1. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 00: 15
      -3
      But we have 15 million AK-74s! Enough for everyone. We will put pressure on the mass nature of automatic weapons.
      You need something that can be put on stream quickly.
      Equipment, means of individual armor protection
      Air defense-Pantsyr-cm tbm
  23. Yarik
    Yarik 30 September 2022 10: 53
    +3
    We have a market economy ... Laughter and nothing more
  24. megavolt823
    megavolt823 30 September 2022 12: 35
    +2
    For that, 300 yards were presented to Western colleagues. They talked about armata calibers. Woe cheers patriots, they fought their throats. And they crap, as always, on equal revenge. And now, in order to solve the problem, they will put the latter.
  25. megavolt823
    megavolt823 30 September 2022 13: 05
    +1
    megavolt823 (vladislav)
    29 March 2022 13: 24
    NEW
    0
    Izyum, Gorlovka. Humanitarian catastrophe rolls over Ukraine
    A humanitarian catastrophe is rolling over Russia. There is a war going on in Ukraine. The difficulty is that our elite is considering the Ukraine of the 2014 model. With all the pros and cons. But the situation has changed a lot. The problem is that we are shown running singers, dancers and Chubais. And things are much worse. Agricultural, industrial (remnants), trade and logistics are the same in the hands of people of a not very patriotic warehouse. And, here are the following. Or a part is broken. Or they want to snatch in the end. Cut down on excitement. End of spring and beginning of summer, we will see the tip of the iceberg. We'll see in full in the fall. These people will not invest in this situation. On the contrary, they will try to take out as much as possible. But this, as usual, will be noticed later. Solovyov will say on TV: we believed them so much, but they betrayed us. Skobeeva will confirm. The West is clearly planning to do almost the same thing. As it was in the Baltics. After Ukraine is completely taken. They will start preparing. And they will stagger on self-determination, and the values ​​of the will of the people. And then the Prague Spring 1968. Operation Danube. They know how to make revolutions. Yes, and there is something to rely on. But as long as no one thinks about it, everything will happen again all of a sudden.
    1. megavolt823
      megavolt823 30 September 2022 13: 10
      +7
      megavolt823 (vladislav)
      29 March 2022 12: 43
      NEW
      0
      Attack helicopter Mi-28N: try to criticize
      Dear ! The war is on, out of place for criticism. Let me just say, from the three places where I started my working activity. Not one is in working order. People who made money on the collapse. They left the other day. All that is in the defense industry is Soviet thoughts that have not been implemented. In an industrial sense, the situation is worse than in 1945. Hats can be thrown into the air. But reality is painful. And they don't like that on this site. Don't act like a minor. To pretend to be blind, deaf. We saw tablets from Chubais. His as was not, and is not. Give me a minus on the right. Sign up for liberals. The reality of this does not change.
      1. frog
        frog 30 September 2022 14: 49
        +1
        Give me a minus on the right. Sign up for liberals.

        And all??? Heh, and in tsipsoshniki? And the agents of the State Department?? And in the filthy bulkers ??? no, you can't get rid of it that easy
  26. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 30 September 2022 13: 28
    -4
    The idea will seem seditious, but only the choice of a single tank will allow you to quickly increase the production of armored vehicles

    nothing seditious - T72 and T80 should be a thing of the past - we should switch to a two-tank system, in which MBT should be T90 of the most rational modifications (in terms of price-security ratio) - other resources should be thrown into research on the next generation tank - hardly it will be "Armata" with all its charms, however, it is worth recognizing that the T90 is already a tank "with a beard" and, in fact, is only a deep modernization of the even more ancient T72. For their time, these were worthy vehicles, but a new century has come and new types of weapons have sharply raised the bar for survival and situational awareness of technology. Under this, a new project is definitely needed, that the T90 is a strong temporary solution - but as a result of this conflict, it is necessary to form a worthy replacement for it, the deployment of a series of which will happen before the actual obsolescence of the T90.
    Earlier on VO there was an article listing the entire "zoo" of our equipment - now, this is a deeply unhealthy phenomenon from the point of view of the military situation and production. In part, the "zoo" was inherited by us from the USSR, well, the USSR had a completely different economy, it could afford it. The modern Russian Federation cannot - we should rely on unification as much as possible, because large similar series reduce the cost of production and increase the expediency of internal localization of components, this is a well-known law.
    1. megavolt823
      megavolt823 30 September 2022 13: 38
      +6
      Dear ! People arrive at the barracks. And there are no beds. There is no outfit. Do you see reality? Or do you live in your own world? Invented.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 30 September 2022 13: 59
        -9
        Dear ! Article about tanks and not about beds - do not bring down your parrots in a heap with my galoshes.
      2. frog
        frog 30 September 2022 14: 51
        +3
        No, they will choose a new tank for five years. And then it turns out that something is missing, and again we will get the T-62. If there is anyone. And with Solovyov, from the Duma, passions will boil here, patriotic, the stump is clear .....
    2. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 00: 34
      +2
      Since 2018, the GDP has been talking about the miracle of the avant-garde and other missiles. But it turns out that there are almost no ground forces, as well as officers. Now our soldiers will take over all the experience from the LDNR fighters. And the GDP didn’t recognize them for almost 8 years. in his speech he said something like: stop shelling and sit down for negotiations. The people oppose the national junta, and the GDP is at the negotiating table
  27. storm
    storm 30 September 2022 13: 59
    -3
    The maximum task is to increase the production of the most modern modifications of the T-72B3, T-80BVM and T-90M tanks, or rather one of them. The idea will seem seditious, but only the choice of a single tank will quickly increase the production of armored vehicles.


    In each situation, you need to think strategically, the tank has been in service for 30 years or more, therefore it is necessary to mass-produce those tanks that are already on the conveyor of tank factories, mastered by the troops and will be considered modern for the next 15-20 years.
    Today, the T-90M meets all these requirements.

    UVZ will not be able to mass-produce and mass-produce (up to 1000 units per year) the T-14 Armata due to the lack of a significant number of components, especially in terms of electronics, and the price “like for two T-90Ms”, without a double advantage.

    It makes no sense to produce 50-year-old T-72s, from fate - to get to the tank repair plant, undergo standard modernization and get:
    - in training units for primary training of conscripts,
    - territorial defense troops, which should appear in most regions based on the results of the NMD,
    - to the warehouses of the Moscow Region as a mobile reserve.
    1. Nordsc0l
      Nordsc0l 3 October 2022 20: 50
      0
      Let's start with the fact that the t 90 is a modernization of the t 72. The t 90m is really quite different from the t 72. But still, this is not a completely different tank. In fact, the t 90 is distinguished by a welded turret, another cannon, a panoramic sight, and some elements of the suo. And so dz is one, the engine is one, the shells are the same, the armor, not counting the turret, is the same. Therefore, your proposal to send them to warehouses, study, etc. complete nonsense. About territorial defense, in general, absolute nonsense. She is not needed. Returning to the t 72, they can simply be converted into t 72. This is easier and cheaper than making t 90 from scratch. And yet, the t 90m is the most modern tank that we have in the series, but it is the most modern.
  28. newtc7
    newtc7 30 September 2022 14: 34
    +4
    Do Russian thermal imagers and night vision devices really exist?
    What are they called, who makes them?
    Very interesting
  29. Crisp
    Crisp 30 September 2022 14: 45
    0
    Quote: ramzay21
    It is also necessary to maximize the recovery of T-72, T-80 and T-64, BMP-1/2 and BTR-80 tanks from storage sites, for this it is necessary to deploy rebates as close as possible to these places, adapting suitable premises,

    Only THIS opus says that it is precisely such an "organizer" that needs to be shot. Or drag iron to the repair plant in one simple logistics, use everything available, or organize the same repair plant at the storage site and drag hundreds of logistics to it to supply spare parts, tool materials ....
    1. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 00: 37
      -2
      They talked about “logistics” like a miracle! But now they don’t remember about it.
  30. Wildcat
    Wildcat 30 September 2022 14: 51
    +7
    As a result, ordinary consumers will suffer due to the current shortage. This is not entirely true. ... the economy in Russia is still market


    Calm down, citizens!
    Inner peace in a market economy will be ensured in any case!
    Disperse, go watch TV, it will be beautiful and interesting there now.

    "NOVO-OGAREVO, September 28. /TASS/. The size of the allowance for employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Federal Penitentiary Service and a number of other law enforcement agencies will grow at a rate of 9% over the next two years. This was announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday at a meeting on economic questions.
    "Decisions were made to increase the remuneration of law enforcement officers - the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service, the Federal Customs Service, the National Guard and others," the head of state said.
    According to him, "in the next two years, the total amount of their salary will grow at a rate of 9% per year." September 28, 2021, 14:38,
    1. frog
      frog 30 September 2022 14: 58
      +3
      The stump was bright, these are not teachers with doctors, people are serious. Need to understand)))
    2. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 00: 39
      0
      It seems to me that they can raise the tax! There will also be a need.
    3. klara
      klara 8 October 2022 00: 54
      0
      Quote: Wildcat
      increase in pay

      He wanted to see the army, science, education, medicine in a coffin. Only the gendarmes feed.
  31. dementor873
    dementor873 30 September 2022 16: 16
    0
    Podolyaki has already organized a collection of 100KK rubles and he will go for you know what? For winter uniforms, that's how everything is fine in our military-industrial complex.
  32. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 30 September 2022 16: 26
    -1
    Nothing good will come of it. There are several problems, and the first of them was recently announced here on VO. Namely, the nightmare of logisticians, we have 3 types of tanks in service and another T-64/62 in storage, which we seem to give away to the LDNR, but they are still supplied from us. There can be no serious and mass mobilization of the economy if only 3 types of tanks need to be produced. And the problem of the "zoo" we have in almost all branches of the military. Without unification, even full industrial mobilization will not give full returns. And the problems of unification are not solved in a short time. It was necessary not just to start this before the NWO, it had to be started along with the reforms in the army even BEFORE 2014. And that was just one problem. It's time to admit that we have a complete mess in the range. Gritting your teeth, choose one (maximum two) models of equipment for each task in each branch of the military, and put everything that didn’t get to hell. Sell, melt down, flood. Doesn't matter. Not even in reserve, otherwise there will be a temptation to get it from there and use it later. Select one tank (For example, the T-90 as the youngest, but unlike the Almaty, its production is at least established) and only it is riveted at all tank factories. And so it is in everything - from personal small arms to tanks and fighters. From the fleet to platforms in artillery.

    Due to the problem of the lack of unification, we have both increased costs and improved maintenance
    1. Donbass Russia
      Donbass Russia 1 October 2022 13: 34
      +1
      You do not understand anything in tank matters. No one produces three types of tanks. They produce only T-90M and a little T-14. The rest of the tanks are taken from the army and BH and do a thorough overhaul and modernization. They take the best in terms of booking and the latest years of production of the T-72B and T-80BV. And you must understand that there are not so many of these 10 thousand pieces. This upgrade costs somewhere around 70% of the cost of a new one, and they are just what is needed to equip a large army. Two factories are quite capable of handling these two types of tanks; no problems with it either. I think the T-80 will be pushed back to the post-war period.
      The T-62M simply has a certain amount in good condition, spare parts can be removed from other slow-moving ones, hung with Contact and into battle. What is in Syria, what is here. Still, thin infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers are better and the gun is normal.
      1. Nordsc0l
        Nordsc0l 3 October 2022 21: 02
        0
        In fact, you are wrong in many ways. For modernization, t 80bv are taken, due to the fact that there are few more advanced t80u. And bw a lot. With t 72 the same thing. They take just basically the t 72b of the 1985 model, and not the more advanced and new t 72 of the 1989 model. Exactly for the same reason. Because there are few of them.
      2. Nordsc0l
        Nordsc0l 3 October 2022 21: 07
        0
        Regarding t 62m, they are mainly used in the least tank-dangerous directions. That is why very few of them were lost. Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles for completely different purposes. Including to support the infantry. The autocannon suits this much better than the tank cannon due to its higher rate of fire.
  33. TOR2
    TOR2 30 September 2022 16: 38
    -1
    If we are already talking about tanks in the article, then we need to mention one more nuance. Back in 2009 prototypes of remotely controlled T-72 tanks appeared. Such a tank can be controlled both by the crew and remotely. But right now such machines are very much needed at the forefront. Someone will say - no time for toys now. But here is one small but - if the toy is burned, then the crew will take another one. Moreover, the crew is already well-coordinated and with combat experience.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 3 October 2022 16: 48
      0
      and if they crush the signal, which is many times easier, then the enemy will have a whole tank
  34. restless
    restless 30 September 2022 17: 50
    +5
    "All skeptics can also be advised to read the history of the revival of the United States in the 70th century, which began just with the mobilization of industry during the Second World War. The Soviet Union is no exception - 80-30 percent of the current economy is based on the achievements of industrial mobilization in the 50-XNUMXs .
    AUTHOR:
    Evgeny Fedorov"

    Yes, my friend, it’s like you flew in from another planet, after the 90s more than 80% of the industry was destroyed, there is no microelectronics, machine tool building and many other industries, we don’t even produce our own ball bearings, we somehow use all the achievements of the USSR, and the rest of the Chubais sold and destroyed, now we are trying to restore everything that was destroyed, the pests still remained in place, although their children live abroad, and they themselves have two citizenships ..
  35. Oleg-Ivanov
    Oleg-Ivanov 30 September 2022 19: 17
    +1
    We still need to change the liberal-financial course.
    1. Alf
      Alf 30 September 2022 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: Oleg-Ivanov
      We still need to change the liberal-financial course.

      Dear colleague, don't encroach on the Basics!
  36. zenion
    zenion 30 September 2022 19: 28
    -1
    Parents should provide weapons for their children. Once sent to war, they must provide. Then, someday they will return it with interest if the thieves do not steal the cash papers for the acquired weapons. Then they will say why are you so careless, you had to look after the property since it is yours. Besides, you owe us so much money. An interesting thing happened in Hitler's Germany. Parents of executed children received bills for the trial, for being in prison, for carrying out the sentence, for paying the patron. Nothing was forgotten. I read and did not believe that there was nothing missed, it was calculated up to pfennig.
  37. Earnest
    Earnest 30 September 2022 20: 33
    0
    Quote: frog
    But a letter came today signed by the head of the city with a request to ensure the work of the commission for the mobilization of workers from the plant performing the state defense order (defence) not involved in the implementation of the defense order. At the plant, there is already a catastrophic lack of personnel due to the fact that the state shamelessly cuts prices in an unmotivated way, there is no opportunity to set competitive salaries because of this, and then people will be taken away.

    What are you talking about? They convinced me over there that everything is just amazing, the factories are being built at once, and they switched to 3 shifts a week and everything is top-notch, the products are literally flowing like a river .....
    And you say there are no people, and the remains are taken away ... how is it ??))

    Yes, that's how it is somehow .. So I'll go ahead and get ready
  38. usm5
    usm5 30 September 2022 21: 13
    0
    Modern technology is, of course, good. Only the success of the army by 70% is the achievement of the brain of the military. Remember 1941, when the Wehrmacht, in border battles on "ridiculous" tanks, defeated the tank formations of the USSR, equipped with technically more powerful equipment (for example, the KV-1 did not pierce more than one gun except for the 88mm anti-aircraft gun). It is necessary to properly organize the battle, then the T-62 and BMP-1 will come in handy (for example, as part of mobile groups to fight enemy DRGs). Rather than gathering dust in a warehouse, it’s better to remove the T-62M turret and convert it into an RZSO.
  39. Prometey
    Prometey 30 September 2022 21: 16
    -1
    The author, you write everything correctly ... But none of this will happen, unfortunately. Directors of factories as a whole do not care about the needs of the front and no one will do anything to them.
  40. fiv
    fiv 30 September 2022 21: 46
    0
    It is necessary to organize the production of qualified workers, technicians, engineers, designers, repairmen and unscrupulous bosses. I think that our compatriots in the near abroad, who have relevant specialties and experience, need to create preferential conditions for moving to the Russian Federation. Including.
    1. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 00: 43
      +2
      our youth came with a patriotic consciousness to the defense industry! but as soon as they paid for the medical certificate, they were not hired or the salary was low
  41. Cheburek
    Cheburek 30 September 2022 21: 47
    -4
    Whether it will be possible at the end of 2022 to launch the process of turning the Airborne Forces into an elite heavily armed infantry is still an open question. "- when there are no planes and airfields, then the Airborne Forces will 100% turn into" heavily armed infantry "... All of the above is nonsense of a person who has never did not create complex equipment and did not work at the plant.Preparation for release and expansion of production - is carried out in peacetime, when older equipment is sent for conservation, and the staff of workers and engineers is expanded so that it can be quickly increased due to low-skilled personnel with low losses in quality.At the same time, the equipment itself, when created, should be able to reduce manufacturability to increase mass production.It will take 2-5 months to increase production output, because everything also rests on the logistics of raw materials and products.And doing all this during a conflict is a disastrous business. Everything that is in the army before the war - this is what they will fight, the industry only partially compensates for teri. Commentary is my personal opinion.
  42. acetophenone
    acetophenone 30 September 2022 21: 53
    +1
    Quote: TOR2
    If we are already talking about tanks in the article, then we need to mention one more nuance. Back in 2009 prototypes of remotely controlled T-72 tanks appeared. Such a tank can be controlled both by the crew and remotely. But right now such machines are very much needed at the forefront. Someone will say - no time for toys now. But here is one small but - if the toy is burned, then the crew will take another one. Moreover, the crew is already well-coordinated and with combat experience.

    Great idea! And if this tank is fired from a machine gun and cameras and antennas are knocked off it, or it drives into a ditch, or a caterpillar flies off, this “well-coordinated and with combat experience” of yours will simply switch to another tank, and this one will self-destruct in half an hour? Or is this an option for supplying tanks to Ukraine?
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 30 September 2022 23: 47
      0
      The new concept differs from other robotic tanks such as the Uran-9, as these platforms were often remotely controlled from a special vehicle located close to the armed robots. UVZ has already introduced a significant amount of automation into the T-14 Armata tank and is going to develop the technology further. The basis for the new tank robot will be the cheaper and more affordable T-72B3 platform.
      Apparently, they came up with something on the cameras and antennas at UVZ. Well, you yourself understand that the crew will not be able to repair the caterpillar that has flown down by shelling. By self-destruction, nothing unrealistic. And now another version of the development of events. The tank with the crew was destroyed, and three 200x. What will we do? Are we mobilizing tractor drivers for express courses?
  43. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 30 September 2022 22: 41
    +1
    It is necessary to start not with tanks and other things. And with the establishment of the production of boots and all ammunition for soldiers and their provision
    1. chetvertak
      chetvertak 1 October 2022 00: 58
      -5
      I also wrote about this above! And you can pay for equipment and equipment at your own expense if it is difficult for the state. Those who were in their own and the LDNR write: it’s better to buy and name the models and the sportsmaster yourself. You don’t need to do it expensive. What would be comfortable and warm and serve for a long time! At least a year. MANPADS, MLRS PVO-Pantsir cm tbm, Coalition-sv, Krasnopol, the same T-72 B3M
      Now there is no time for diversity 1-2 models from each category
  44. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 1 October 2022 00: 52
    +4
    Every time the same thing - difficulties with this, difficulties with this, because you need so much of this, so much of this. No one at the top asks the question - why did no one think about the army before? Why the hell did they show a bunch of fairy tales on the Zvezda channels and other things about our indestructible weapon that has no analogues in the world? Which can not be used or which is not? Why are the army and the military-industrial complex not ready for military operations against an enemy stronger than the 14 thousand Georgian army with its 10th Su-25 and the duration of the battles for more than three months? Where and who is responsible for working out plans for possible wars and conflicts? Who is responsible for equipping the army with weapons and equipment? And where are those who prevented all this? Why is there a mess everywhere and everything through the back seat? Why the fucking Olympics, exhibitions, arm. there is money for games and parades, but not for equipping the army? It’s not enough to talk about the insidious West on TV, you also have to have demand from your own people. So that every minister and every director of an enterprise knows - you harmed the army - you go in a robe to wind up the term with confiscation!
  45. Donbass Russia
    Donbass Russia 1 October 2022 02: 22
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    Yes, to produce BMD-4M for 100 million rubles. expensive toy. But the production of the BMP-3M costs 86 million, and the repair of the old one costs 54 million. In addition, 100 mm shells in a weakly armored BMP lead to the explosion of the entire vehicle to smithereens. You can see it in some videos. Repair with BH, BMP-2 costs - 15 million, and the creation of BMP-2M with 4 Kornets from it is only 30 million. Therefore, now they are engaged in body kit BMP-3 with screens and grilles and restoration of BMP-2 with BH. Let the factories work with such losses, they need to make 1500 of them from the bases in order to restore the number of infantry fighting vehicles and infantry fighting vehicles. If they decide to make BMP-3 later, in my opinion, it’s time for him to put 650 hp. engine (seemingly already on the way), which will make it possible to increase the mass by 5 tons, strengthening the armor of hinged steel sheets and put the BM Epoch (B -19). Good ATGMs and a powerful gun.
    MTLB on BH also has 2 thousand pieces, there is something to make up for.
    They make BTR-82A with a body kit and you can manage to release a lot of MCIs.
    The T-62M tank, with a small number of remaining tanks in the VFU, has to fight with the BMP-1,2 and BTR-113 and armored vehicles with pickups. Therefore, this is a formidable opponent for them, his 30 mm cannon will not penetrate the forehead, but he will smash their OFS. And Contact from RPGs will cover, but Rapier is still better.
    You still need to start installing KAZ on new tanks, with 8,5 thousand Javelins, as well as TOU and Stugna, not counting all sorts of old and advanced RPGs. So you won’t get enough tanks. At least, they put them on the T-90M and put them on the main directions of the breakthrough.
    If they make 52-28 helicopters of the new Ka-30M and Mi-40NM in a year, they will make up for the losses and take out all the tanks to the enemy with new weapons such as LMUR and Whirlwind M.
    Attack UAVs, with UAB, Iranian and ours - will replace all Su-25s on the battlefield, along with barrages - Lancet 3 and Geran 2.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 3 October 2022 16: 47
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      and when the BMP-2s run out .. what do you propose to do? not to mention the fact that different factories are engaged in modernization and production
  46. Crisp
    Crisp 1 October 2022 04: 53
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    Quote from: hetvertak
    They talked about “logistics” like a miracle! But now they don’t remember about it.

    In vain. Logistics is not only transport, as I understand it. This is an organization in general. Let me give you an interesting example. REAL, reasonable application of abilities in the organization of this complex business.
    USA. War. 1943 Liberty-type ships are being built for convoys. Very simplified design, there is not a lot of things you need. The ship is cheaper than the cargo it will carry. But a box is about 10...12 thousand tons. Great canned food. In September, they set a record - they launched from the stocks in 9 days. They are building on the water, there are floating cranes, and so on. Masts, superstructure, electrics, communications and other trifles. The main thing is a sealed hull, all kinds of propeller shafts, propellers, a car, rudders, all the heaviest is already in place. The main thing is to free the slipway. This is the most expensive thing there is, you need to load it next as soon as possible. This is real engineering work. Short ties with suppliers. Everything is at hand, and does not interfere. Everything is pre-cut, molded, and on shelves, with numbers, in order to instantly find it.
  47. Crisp
    Crisp 1 October 2022 04: 57
    +1
    Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
    It is necessary to start not with tanks and other things. And with the establishment of the production of boots and all ammunition for soldiers and their provision

    We must start with tanks. They are designed and made for a long time. This is an expensive and cumbersome business. Boots, when private traders are connected, they do as much as necessary in a week. The sluggishness of state structures kills everything. Who stole, clothed, fed the country in the 90s? SHUTTLES. Private traders. Who provided food, clothed the country during the NEP years? Private traders. Who pissed off what was in the USSR? State.
  48. Oleg Ogorod
    Oleg Ogorod 1 October 2022 09: 39
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    Probably not everyone represents the real situation in the military-industrial complex today.
    EPK is now accepting orders for bearings for the defense industry only for 2024. They say we already have all the capacities loaded for next year. Damn businessmen. Even worse picture in electrical and electronics. Many are also private traders and they do not care everything. They set the production time for some components of 1000 working days, for example, relays. And they require an advance payment of up to 100%.
    Under such conditions, how can military-industrial complex plants now urgently increase the production of new equipment, which is now required of them?
    Of course, I am silent about the management of many defense plants, which over the past decade have grown fat and lazy. On huge salaries and attaching their children, mistresses and acquaintances to the middle management.
    As for the Volgograd former tractor plant, where BMD is made, the plant has not been there for a long time, there is a small southern production. It will not be so easy to change the production of BMD to BMP.
    A separate issue is the military representations at factories. I would understand if retirees served there, who served in the combat army, and by their age retired and continued to work in the reception, with their practical army experience. And then a bunch of young officers, thieves officers. Service is a pleasure, three times a week during working hours they have physio. And the working day is 8 hours at best.
    And mobilization, although it has not yet touched the defense industry, or has not touched it much, but it has affected the suppliers of materials and components. I'm not only talking about sellers, but also about manufacturers.
    Guns need to be made by melting metal. Ferroalloys and refractories are needed to melt metal. Moreover, urgently and many by special order, indposhiv. And the factories say they took people from us, when we can do it for you, we don’t know. And they don’t care that the defense plant will not be able to produce guns, and, accordingly, guns, and, accordingly, tanks and self-propelled guns. Including the new Malva.
    By the way, the manufacture of trunks has long been an ass in our country. And everyone was absolutely indifferent to it. And now this hemorrhoids have sharply become aggravated. And now those who contributed to this collapse are puffing out their cheeks, puffing their mustaches, and stomping their feet, saying that the lackeys, let's urgently arrange the issue. But of course without money and without people. But with the old leaders.
    In 1941 the situation was somewhat different. Prior to this, many leaders and military commanders had been shot, and at the beginning of the war they continued to be shot. The people were not spoiled at all. And the factories were all state-owned with end-to-end state management.
    Rostec is completely different. Like its subsidiary, the Ministry of Industry and Trade.
    1. Donbass Russia
      Donbass Russia 1 October 2022 13: 59
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      There is a war going on, where real 30 mm shells and 12.7 mm armor-piercing bullets fly. BMD-4M has a low weight and, accordingly, a small troop compartment and, most importantly, weak armor and a high price. For this money, you can repair and upgrade three BMP-2Ms, now BMPs need a lot. Even the BMP-3M has more options for modernization, a new engine, increased armor, replacement of weapons with remote ones and the creation of a Manul shifter, and all this with more DO.
  49. staer-62
    staer-62 1 October 2022 10: 54
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    That's right, you have to produce. But this is the last century of the level of the Second World War. Why was it necessary to increase output, to mobilize, because the war had begun? No. Because we are no longer afraid. Why? Because we signed a bunch of treaties on restrictions and, like stupid people, we faithfully fulfill them, we have limited ourselves in the use of all weapons, while others do not. We ourselves destroyed entire lines of our weapons in order to show how peaceful we are, and everyone understood how stupid people we are. And now, instead of first destroying Europe and then the United States with nuclear weapons, we endure the death of soldiers, civilians, the destruction of what our grandfathers built, the shelling of nuclear power plants, gas pipelines, but you yourself know. What difference does it make for a soldier or a woman with a child from what he will die, from a nuclear explosion or from a caliber 155. We are at war, ours are dying, and not with them and not with them. Destroy with nuclear weapons.
  50. OLEG CZIGANOV
    OLEG CZIGANOV 1 October 2022 11: 29
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    Before solving the issues of mobilizing the military-industrial complex, it is necessary to resolve the issue with those responsible, if it is organized by the same people who drove our economy into the ass, accustomed only to take and divide, it will be, as always, through sacrifices, a waste of time and huge unnecessary spending. Until the supreme decides to radically change the system and, accordingly, the circle of people responsible for the very existence of the state, nothing will happen, or rather nothing good will happen. That is, we must admit that for twenty years nothing has been done to strengthen the state and its independence, and this is not just some kind of sabotage or sabotage, this is the mistake of choosing the direction of the country's development, and until those who drive it recognize it, nothing will happen. And we will be able to produce tanks and aircraft and other weapons in the required quantities, but of course not those that were flaunted for show, but modernized Soviet weapons, if only the correct distribution of responsibility and the competent appointment of responsible persons would be made.