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Russian kamikaze drones "Geran-2" hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa

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Russian kamikaze drones "Geran-2" hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa

Russian attack drones "Geran-2" hit several military facilities in Odessa, including the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Attempts to shoot down kamikaze drones were unsuccessful. Information comes from various sources, including Ukrainian ones.


The purpose of the morning drone attack on Odessa, which was already reported by Voyennoye Obozreniye, was several military facilities, including the headquarters of the operational command "South", which flew twice. According to reports from Ukrainian sources, two Geran-2 kamikaze drones, called an exact copy of Iranian Shahed-136 drones, worked at the headquarters building with a short interval. The drone hit is also confirmed by the city authorities.

(...) rocket, drones, bombs (...) You can call it whatever you like, the fact that the strike was struck in the early morning

- said the mayor of Odessa, Gennady Trukhanov, adding that some "administrative building" was hit, but did not give details.


It should be noted that in recent days, the Russian Armed Forces have come to grips with Odessa, striking at the military infrastructure of the city, including the decision-making centers, in the role of which the headquarters of the operational command "South" acted. It was here that most of the operations carried out by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the southern direction were developed.

We got the opportunity to strike deep into the enemy’s defenses with the advent of the Geran-2 kamikaze drones, which are analogues of the Iranian Shahed-136 drones. The question of whether or not to purchase such drones can be pushed aside. Recent events have shown that it is not only necessary, but necessary. The use of drones is already causing panic in Kyiv, Zelensky is demanding from sponsors the supply of air defense systems capable of shooting down Russian drones.
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  1. Dmirty
    Dmirty 25 September 2022 12: 36
    +16
    I wonder what kind of air defense system can detect a plastic airplane with a minimum RCS!
    1. Sergei V
      Sergei V 25 September 2022 12: 39
      -33
      the floor of Odessa visually saw how they barely flew and rattled
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 25 September 2022 12: 42
        +48
        Yes, let them rumble, the main thing is that they fulfill their task. A crowd gathered, shot from everything they could, and the drone calmly flew into the headquarters
        1. Sergei V
          Sergei V 25 September 2022 12: 45
          -46
          only while he was flying he put half of Odessa on his ears and the headquarters was empty. Moreover, yesterday they had already bombed him
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 25 September 2022 12: 49
            +35
            Not for this building, by the way. And what did the ambulances do near the empty building?
          2. TIR
            TIR 25 September 2022 12: 53
            +26
            And were the ambulance dummies taken out of the building? And how could they be noticed interestingly?
          3. Roman Efremov
            Roman Efremov 25 September 2022 15: 11
            +6
            "Saw them, true cross,
            The whole province, the whole county! laughing
          4. Egor53
            Egor53 25 September 2022 15: 37
            +6
            The noise from a drone approaching is less than from a motorcycle riding down the street. No one there managed to run out of the headquarters, and the computers could not be taken out. The headquarters is broken and will not be able to work soon.
            1. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 25 September 2022 16: 43
              +3
              Another point is interesting. And what about the ubiquitous NATO intelligence? Satellites, Avaxes there? It turns out that they are not ubiquitous ..
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 25 September 2022 17: 40
                +2
                Quote: dmi.pris
                And what about the ubiquitous NATO intelligence? Satellites, Avaxes there? It turns out that they are not ubiquitous ..

                The ubiquitous analyzers slammed their ears.....
            2. vlad106
              vlad106 26 September 2022 18: 44
              +1
              Russian kamikaze drones "Geran-2" hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

              Finally! Although their drones appeared
        2. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 25 September 2022 15: 53
          +8
          as I understand it, Geranium 2 is quite cheap and simple, and it is used quite massively in Odessa, which is good news, I hope the technology has been transferred, production is unfolding, because such rumblers were needed 7 months ago
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 25 September 2022 17: 24
            +3
            Quote: Vitaliy161
            as I understand it, Geranium 2 is quite cheap and simple, and it is used quite massively in Odessa, which is good news, I hope the technology has been transferred, production is unfolding, because such rumblers were needed 7 months ago

            These rattlers are supplied by Iran to the Yemeni Houthis in disassembled form, after which they assemble them almost on their knees and nightmare the Saudis and their allies. So Iran has combined three important parameters - low price, ease of operation and high efficiency, which they also confirm in the work on dill facilities.
            1. Vitaly161
              Vitaly161 25 September 2022 17: 34
              +2
              yes, I understood this, that's why I say, it is necessary to expand production at existing capacities with the purchase of a license and technologies, although the machine does not have analogues in the world, but it works
        3. stankow
          stankow 25 September 2022 17: 10
          -8
          AND ? Destroyed two rooms, broke windows. So what ? Entered the news.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 25 September 2022 12: 43
        +27
        Quote: Sergey V
        the floor of Odessa visually saw how they barely flew and rattled


        And they didn't hit. They flew and hit the targets.
        1. Drotro
          Drotro 25 September 2022 12: 50
          +25
          There are people who always criticize everything.

          They didn't - it's bad that they didn't.
          They did not do it very well - badly, it was necessary to do it well.
          They did it well - badly, it was necessary to do it very well.
          They did it very well - badly, it was necessary to do it very, very well, etc.

          In terms of norms. At least you got somewhere, it's already good.
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 25 September 2022 12: 46
        +13
        Quote: Sergey V
        the floor of Odessa visually saw how they barely flew and rattled

        Don't believe your eyes. Nobody saw God either. And amazing things are happening.
        1. novel66
          novel66 25 September 2022 12: 59
          +7
          Well, not in vain, Slava, no need ...
          Mmmmmmm
      4. Dmirty
        Dmirty 25 September 2022 12: 50
        +4
        Well, the eyes are not the best means of detection.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 25 September 2022 12: 59
          -6
          Quote from Dmirty
          Well, the eyes are not the best means of detection.

          I agree. They say in Leningrad that the tailed ones worked wonders. That's why I say, don't believe your eyes.
      5. musorg
        musorg 25 September 2022 13: 00
        +2
        So you rumble in Odessa, ghost?
      6. 4ekist
        4ekist 25 September 2022 13: 09
        +10
        kamikaze drones "Geran-2" hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa

        I'm more interested not in the fact that some "administrative" building has been destroyed. And how many 200's (dead) ukronatsiks and their advisers are in this building. I'm waiting for the results of the strike.
        1. TIR
          TIR 25 September 2022 13: 41
          -5
          It is possible to hang missiles on this UAV. As I understand it, this is if you reduce the amount of gasoline. It would not be bad to hang ordinary unmanaged
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 25 September 2022 19: 00
            +3
            Quote: TIR
            It is possible to hang missiles on this UAV. As I understand it, this is if you reduce the amount of gasoline. It would not be bad to hang ordinary unmanaged

            Why fence a garden? He is a rocket in his own right. Consumable resource without reverse landing. Hanging some more stray on it, reducing the amount of gasoline, means limiting the range of its use, which, according to some sources, is up to 1,5 thousand km, which allows you to reach the western regions. Why limit yourself? Moreover, these birds are cheaper than Caliber.
        2. poquello
          poquello 25 September 2022 13: 45
          +17
          Quote: 4ekist
          kamikaze drones "Geran-2" hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa

          I'm more interested not in the fact that some "administrative" building has been destroyed. And how many 200's (dead) ukronatsiks and their advisers are in this building. I'm waiting for the results of the strike.

          according to rumors from the aviation industry - 12 high officers, but I think why is this type igniting about the fact that no one was there
          1. kill the fascist
            kill the fascist 25 September 2022 14: 27
            +10
            The dude's job is like this - gundet under the guise of a Russian and create a mood - boss, everything is gone! Gypsum is being removed ... (c)
      7. Voronezh
        Voronezh 25 September 2022 14: 06
        +8
        The main thing is that they got to the right place
      8. Roman Efremov
        Roman Efremov 25 September 2022 15: 10
        +7
        This is Odessa! When our troops land, half of Odessa will come out and shoot on phones!
      9. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 25 September 2022 15: 34
        +2
        Quote: Sergey V
        the floor of Odessa visually saw how they barely flew and rattled

        If what you wrote is true, then that's great.
      10. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 25 September 2022 15: 50
        +2
        and they heard and tried to shoot down, but only the targets were hit, and not a single one was shot down
      11. LOCKS
        LOCKS 25 September 2022 16: 29
        +3
        You would you with their flyswatters or with a slingshot. Well, or language, so as not to grind here (((
      12. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 25 September 2022 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: Sergey V
        half of Odessa visually saw how they barely flew and rumbled

        It was they who did not rattle .. They read a prayer "Shahed-136/герань-2"( Герань ) ----- أَشْهَدُ اأَلاّ إِلهَ إِلاَّ اللهُ وَأَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا رَسُولُ اللهِ- Ашхаду алля иляяhа илляЛлаh. Уа ашхаду анна Мухаммадар-расуулюллаh.---Свидетельствую, что нет божества достойного поклонения, кроме Аллаха And I testify that Muhammad is His messenger.. - Is it clear now ? Shaheed is the messenger of God. makes judgment.
      13. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 25 September 2022 19: 40
        +1
        And what did you see the ceiling of Odessa at that moment?
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 25 September 2022 12: 53
      +4
      Modern air defense systems detect. It is not entirely plastic. The distance from which the truth is found is not a hundred kilometers .. According to the "Caliber" they worked with ZU2.
      1. Osiris
        Osiris 25 September 2022 13: 53
        +7
        To accurately get a list of 200 when attacking drones in Odessa
        you need to wait for the appearance of obituaries of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. They do it regularly
    3. Silver99
      Silver99 25 September 2022 13: 10
      +20
      By the way, at least two other countries are closely monitoring the use of Shahed-136 / Geranium-2; Iran is testing, and Israel is frantically looking for a way to create protection.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 25 September 2022 14: 01
        +2
        The Israeli press, according to rumors of the Ukrainian press, is urgently supplying anti-drones, that is, electronic warfare guns. Now I checked the Jews and Kakels.
        1. Bear
          Bear 25 September 2022 14: 20
          +1
          EW Rugbikes are a fairy tale. They do not exist in nature.
        2. KCA
          KCA 25 September 2022 15: 08
          +6
          Israel does not supply anything, Kedmi was asked how Israel would react to the demands of how to provide information on drones and movements of Iranian drones, he said that the IDF General Staff forbade any information to be transmitted, citing the fact that the Americans know everything, even if they inform and forbid sell or transfer any weapons to the Outskirts
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 25 September 2022 16: 58
            +1
            I wrote that Israeli

            press delivers, do not understand the humor?
      2. navigator777
        navigator777 25 September 2022 17: 07
        +1
        Israel itself successfully uses such drones, most likely has already developed ways to deal with them.
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 September 2022 13: 15
      +13
      I wonder what kind of air defense system can detect a plastic airplane with a minimum RCS!


      I think anyone, just for this she needs to work continuously with the radar turned on, and this is fraught with the fact that an anti-radar missile can fly in.

      They would also be provided with thermal imagers so that at night it would be possible to use the ultimate weapon in general.
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 September 2022 13: 47
        +11
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        They would also be provided with thermal imagers so that at night it would be possible to use the ultimate weapon in general.

        they also work at night
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 25 September 2022 18: 54
          +1
          I read it, it turns out there is no camera at all on Geranium 2, another UAV directs it, you can even during the day or at night.
      2. Bear
        Bear 25 September 2022 14: 21
        +1
        Slow, loud-sounding, with a characteristic profile - this is not an "ultimate weapon" - but a normal thing, but shot down without any fuss (((
        1. forester
          forester 25 September 2022 16: 07
          -1
          ha, that's just without fanfare and with fantasies they could not be brought down)))
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 25 September 2022 18: 56
          0
          but knocked down without a hitch (((


          They shoot down only during the day, when they are visually detected, and at night it will be much more difficult to do.
      3. Brturin
        Brturin 25 September 2022 14: 58
        +2
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        and this is fraught with the fact that an anti-radar missile can fly in.

        a rocket, but they are already wondering if he himself has such a function - Analysts of the American edition of The Drive ... they pointed out the ability of these drones to both attack stationary targets and actively search for enemy radar radiation
        https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/09/25/shahed-vyzyvaet-ogon-na-sebya-skrytaya-funkciya-iranskogo-drona-ispugala-vsu
    5. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 25 September 2022 13: 49
      +4
      There is a video filmed in Odessa, which hides our drone together with dreams with a good obscenity. This is not some kind of fascist elite, this is an ordinary ragul from an ordinary Odessa five-story building. The same for the saboteurs in Kherson - their documents were posted. Those. we still have to scoop and scoop with spoons. In vain we hang out with them. "our" combatants, let alone specialists, do not become ..
    6. stankow
      stankow 26 September 2022 19: 21
      0
      ZPR is a lot. There is a lot of metal there.
    7. Greek
      Greek 26 September 2022 21: 20
      0
      Hello. yes, any air defense system can bring it down, you just need to have it. The minimum EPR is yes .... it is not even small and slow. If during the day it visually strays from the MANPADS. and any barreled air defense such as cheetahs, shells, etc. In the afternoon, helicopters flew over Odessa, also a good option for fighting. And since the air defense of Ukraine is a sieve, these drones (for now !!!) will be the most effective.
  2. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 25 September 2022 12: 41
    +2
    The most important question becomes - what destructive power do Geranium blows have? So far, I have received very little information...
    1. Silver99
      Silver99 25 September 2022 12: 44
      +7
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      The most important question becomes - what destructive power do Geranium blows have? So far, I have received very little information...

      The wingspan is 2,5 m, the hull length is 3,5 m, the declared flight range is at least 2 km (that is, it can, theoretically, reach the western border of Ukraine), the speed is 000 km/h.

      Warhead - in the bow. The warhead can hold up to 50 kg of explosives, which makes this drone quite a powerful weapon.

      Can carry 4 or 8 missiles and is equipped with a self-destruct device. That is, after shooting the combat reserve, he himself hits the target.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 25 September 2022 12: 55
        +5
        Can carry 4 or 8 missiles and equipped with a self-destruct device. That is, after shooting the combat reserve, he himself hits the target.

        This is not Geranium-2 ...
        It's a different type
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 25 September 2022 12: 47
      +11
      what destructive power do Geranium strikes have?

      Will 36kg of pure plastid suit you?

      Length - 3,5 meters,
      Wingspan 2,5 meters
      Weight about 200 kg.
      Flight range 1,8-2,5 thousand km.
      Engine - ICE 50hp MD 550
      Warhead weight - 36kg
      It can patrol for up to 10 hours in a given area, the alleged locations of important targets (command posts, headquarters, warehouses, radar positions, missiles, three axes and highmars, etc., waiting for advancement ...)
      Well, then tearing them like Tuzik a heating pad ...
      1. Dmirty
        Dmirty 25 September 2022 12: 53
        +8
        We consider: 36 kg of plastid (RE-1,34) is 50,4 kg of TNT
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 25 September 2022 13: 06
          +5
          Quote from Dmirty
          We consider: 36 kg of plastid (RE-1,34) is 50,4 kg of TNT

          Dima, do you want to test your toilet for strength? So call MO. I think they will meet you.
          1. gansales
            gansales 25 September 2022 13: 13
            -1
            Quote: sabakina
            Quote from Dmirty
            We consider: 36 kg of plastid (RE-1,34) is 50,4 kg of TNT

            Dima, do you want to test your toilet for strength? So call MO. I think they will meet you.

            Great comment! Vyacheslav laughed heartily laughing good
      2. Roman Efremov
        Roman Efremov 25 September 2022 15: 15
        0
        How is it aimed at the target, what is the principle?
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 25 September 2022 12: 52
      0
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      The most important question becomes - what destructive power do Geranium blows have? So far, I have received very little information...

      As one movie hero said in one Soviet film:
      - Sufficient.
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 September 2022 18: 58
      0
      Judging by the mass of the b / h and the destruction, approximately like a 152-mm projectile.
  3. Silver99
    Silver99 25 September 2022 12: 41
    +16
    Great, now imagine that you can’t buy a thousand of them from Iran (thank you so much), but produce ten thousand at your own factories, since there’s nothing complicated there, at a penny price compared to the “caliber”, besides, this is a consumable and lose if they shoot down it's not a pity. A swarm of low-flying kamikaze air defense drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is simply not available.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 25 September 2022 13: 06
      +9
      fortunately, there is nothing complicated there, at a penny price compared to the "caliber", besides, it is a consumable material and it is not a pity to lose if they are shot down. A swarm of low-flying kamikaze air defense drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is simply not available.
      they have been writing about this right there on VO for more than a year. But our MO apparently has a dissenting opinion wassat
      1. nik-mazur
        nik-mazur 25 September 2022 13: 27
        -3
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        they have been writing on VO for more than a year now.
        When you write on the Internet without answering for anything, then everything is clear and simple. And when you work in the Ministry of Defense, then any decision must be justified with numbers, its necessity has been proven, its effectiveness has been confirmed, all consequences have been foreseen, and the tactics of application have been written down in the Charters. At the same time, all those involved are responsible for possible jambs with positions, shoulder straps, and sometimes with their heads.
        So, yes, the MoD, unlike armchair experts, has a different opinion and different methods - they cannot afford solutions, like, but let's rivet one hundred and five hundred drones and see if they are useful or not.
        1. JD1979
          JD1979 25 September 2022 13: 42
          +6
          Quote from: nik-mazur
          And when you work in the Ministry of Defense, then any decision must be justified with numbers, its necessity has been proven, its effectiveness has been confirmed, all consequences have been foreseen, and the tactics of application have been written down in the Charters.

          Yeah, they substantiated and proved a bunch of useless rubbish))) then others spat and tried to return everything to the ass)))
          Quote from: nik-mazur
          At the same time, all those involved are responsible for possible jambs with positions, shoulder straps, and sometimes with their heads.

          Oh well))) The method of collective irresponsibility used in the echelons of power allows you to get dry in any situation))) Not a single official, no matter what game he did, was held responsible for his actions))) examples of darkness. There is no need to bring the usual criminality in response, this is different)
          Quote from: nik-mazur

          So, yes, the MoD, unlike armchair experts, has a different opinion and different methods - they cannot afford solutions, like, but let's rivet one hundred and five hundred drones and see if they are useful or not.

          Yeah, their method is as old as the world)) we will send meat - the women are still giving birth))) only here is something in the last 20 years the women are strongly against, judging by that demographic abyss where the population of Russia falls.
          1. nik-mazur
            nik-mazur 25 September 2022 14: 31
            -2
            Quote: JD1979
            a bunch of useless rubbish substantiated and proved.
            I don’t know what kind of rubbish we are talking about, but if couch experts reach the armament of the army, then there will be many times more rubbish, since they will drag like magpies - everything that glitters, if only it was high-tech and cool.
            In general, I don’t see a constructive discussion - a solid empty chatter of stereotypes mused a thousand times.
            1. JD1979
              JD1979 25 September 2022 17: 05
              0
              Quote from: nik-mazur
              I don’t know what kind of rubbish we are talking about, but if couch experts rush to arm the army,
              May 21, 2021, 17:33,

              MOSCOW, May 21. / TASS /. About a dozen samples of weapons out of 300 tested in Syria have been removed from service by the Russian army. This was announced by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Sergei Shoigu, at a lecture at the Novoye Znanie marathon.

              "Where else can you test weapons? In war. No matter how much we want, but state tests, military tests, army tests - this is all, of course, good. But the main assessment is still put in the record book there," Shoigu said.

              He explained that therefore the military could not bypass the testing of equipment in Syria. “What did Syria give us? I’ll tell you straight out that we met a very large number of unpleasant surprises there. a dozen were simply removed from service altogether and ceased to be produced," the minister said.

              According to him, this applies to communication systems, electronic warfare, reconnaissance, strike systems.

              //Who created this?))) Couch experts like you? Then how did these one and a half dozen images end up in the army?))) Or were they not sofa experts but with a sofa education?))//


              Quote from: nik-mazur
              In general, I don’t see a constructive discussion - a solid empty chatter of stereotypes mused a thousand times.

              So you don’t have any specifics, not a single figure, document or anything else))) just empty chatter about the integrity of the officials of the Moscow Region who are responsible for their words and actions, what is there?
              Quote from: nik-mazur
              respond with positions, epaulettes, and sometimes with the head.

              Well, let's tell us how Taburetkin and his detachment of escorts answered there?))) Transferred to another feeder and some spent time under house arrest?))) How do I answer for the broken delivery dates? leave them in their places as a punishment?))
              The other day they wrote about mega-first aid kits in a 3+++ mega-armored suit))) you weren’t surprised by such generosity from the Moscow Region?))) I would generally leave a piece of cotton wool there, you can even without packaging and a vial of iodine)) otherwise it somehow gets out of approach - women give birth, they can also survive from a tourniquet))) (it was sarcasm, if anything)
              And how did someone get kicked out of office, are you constructive? or another commission was created to blur responsibility))), the commission was dismissed and bribes are smooth)))
              1. nik-mazur
                nik-mazur 25 September 2022 17: 24
                -2
                Quote: JD1979
                About a dozen weapons out of 300 tested in Syria were removed from service with the Russian army...
                Not a reader, as far as I can see. In your quote, it is written in Russian in white that fifteen out of three hundred weapons were removed, and two hundred and eighty-five, therefore, were tested by military operations and remained in service. And if the military, like couch experts, rushed as if scalded to immediately introduce any fashionable whistles, then it would be the other way around.
                I see no reason to comment on the rest of the empty verbiage. Taburetkin, escorts, mega-armored suits, women are giving birth again - some kind of verbal diarrhea ...
                1. JD1979
                  JD1979 25 September 2022 19: 13
                  0
                  Quote from: nik-mazur
                  Not a reader, as far as I can see.

                  Exactly, you are not a reader))) 15 samples were designed, passed factory tests, field tests, state standards, and put into service with production. And all these events were carried out by people with specialized education. Perhaps the same ones that took the rest of the 285. Doesn't it bother you that only the results in Syria revealed a complete discrepancy between the declared and real performance characteristics? Or we have military engineers and the acceptance of the wrong system, or someone is very warm paw))) However, you, as a reader, do not bother yourself with such calculations))
                  Quote from: nik-mazur
                  And if the military, like couch experts, rushed as if scalded to immediately introduce any fashionable whistles, then it would be the other way around.

                  22160 hmm .... modularity ... hmm ... and who introduced them? say from your sofa?))) Derivation-air defense is also made by sofas?)))
                  1. nik-mazur
                    nik-mazur 25 September 2022 20: 04
                    +1
                    You, my dear, have long lost the idea that you wanted to discuss or prove, and therefore you are talking to yourself.
                    I have no desire to wander with you in search of meaning and support your monologue. So, don't let me hold you back...
                    1. JD1979
                      JD1979 25 September 2022 22: 57
                      0
                      No, I didn’t lose it)) it’s -
                      Quote from: nik-mazur
                      And when you work in the Defense Ministry, then any decision must be justified with numbers, its necessity has been proven, its effectiveness has been confirmed, all consequences have been foreseen, and the tactics of application have been written down in the Charters. At the same time, all those involved are responsible for possible jambs with positions, shoulder straps, and sometimes with their heads.

                      So who answered there or you are also not responsible for the words)
        2. Voronezh
          Voronezh 25 September 2022 14: 12
          0
          This is how many lives you need to put in order for someone not to be afraid for their leather stool and put their signature .....
          1. nik-mazur
            nik-mazur 25 September 2022 14: 32
            -1
            How many lives were laid down just because someone was in a hurry to sign, of course, you are not interested and are not worried ...
            1. Voronezh
              Voronezh 26 September 2022 13: 41
              -1
              I understand your hint. Let's each have our own opinion
    2. Chief Officer Lom
      Chief Officer Lom 25 September 2022 15: 01
      +1
      not to buy a thousand from Iran (many thanks to them), but to produce ten thousand at their factories

      I fully support the need for mass production of such relatively inexpensive vehicles and no less short-range scouts for junior commanders. Earlier, I already wrote that ours were carried away by the creation of large drones, ignoring the mass segment.
      And I also hope that the rumors that they bought 20 thousand of these weapons are true.
  4. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 25 September 2022 12: 43
    +2
    Why air defense systems, let them give guns to all pensioners. Not enough medals.
  5. Sergei V
    Sergei V 25 September 2022 12: 43
    -22
    They just sit at the headquarters and wait for the floor of Odessa to shoot back and finally fly. Especially since yesterday there was already a blow to it. And for this intelligence is needed.
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 25 September 2022 13: 17
      0
      Exactly!
      It is necessary to beat at night, for the new year in the desert. yes
    2. Chronos
      Chronos 25 September 2022 13: 21
      +6
      Quote: Sergey V
      They just sit at the headquarters and wait for the floor of Odessa to shoot back and finally fly. Especially since yesterday there was already a blow to it. And for this intelligence is needed.

      Ambulances just came in large numbers to the "empty" building? In Vinnytsia, even more people saw the KR flying to the House of Officers, this somehow did not save the officers of the airborne forces. Let's wait for the obituaries here. And yesterday they hit another headquarters - the Ukrainian Navy.
  6. falx
    falx 25 September 2022 12: 45
    +5
    Geranium blossomed in Ukraine...
    Respect to Iranian designers!
  7. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 25 September 2022 12: 46
    +1
    kamikaze drones "Geran-2", which are analogues of the Iranian Shahed-136 drones. The question of whether or not to purchase such drones can be pushed aside.

    It would be analogous if we produced them at home, and did not buy them.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 25 September 2022 12: 59
      +4
      It would be analogous if we produced them at home, and did not buy them.

      do you know exactly where they are collected and released? Well, right, right? laughing
      And if the label "Geranium-2" is glued directly to the developer?
      And if changes were made according to the technical specifications of our MO, then how? smile
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 September 2022 13: 16
        +3
        Quote: Rus2012
        do you know exactly where they are collected and released? Well, right, right?

        Then why the questions about their purchases?
        Quote: Rus2012
        And if the label "Geranium-2" is glued directly to the developer?

        Yes, and let them sculpt.
        Quote: Rus2012
        And if changes were made according to the technical specifications of our MO, then how?

        And what of it? Like a "folk" call from China, or an "interskol" drill. I had a Spectrum computer in the USSR, and I knew that it was an analogue of the Spectrum. Not released in England. And then they put a shadow on the wattle fence, justifying the inability to release a radio-controlled aircraft.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 25 September 2022 13: 48
          +3
          And then they put a shadow on the wattle fence, justifying the inability to release a radio-controlled aircraft

          and what's so difficult about it?
          Firstly, they produce more than one type.
          Secondly, it is easier to buy today than to wait for 1000 tomorrow. and the best.
          Do you propose to kill yourself against the wall from resentment that you cannot 1000? Fight...
          We will take what we need today! Tomorrow will be tomorrow...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 September 2022 14: 10
            -1
            Quote: Rus2012
            Secondly, it is easier to buy today than to wait for 1000 tomorrow. and the best.

            Quote: Mordvin 3
            It would be analogous if we produced them at home, and did not buy them.
            There was talk of this from the beginning.
            Quote: Rus2012
            Do you propose to kill yourself against the wall from resentment that you cannot 1000? Fight...

            Fight yourself. Where did I even write that they should not be purchased? Call a spade a spade, since we buy them, then this is an import, and no analogue.
            Quote: Rus2012
            We will take what we need today!

            There was a lot to do yesterday. And as a result - a hole with crumbs from a bagel. We can't even replace PM. There are developments, but there is no mass production.
        2. gsev
          gsev 25 September 2022 14: 22
          +5
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          or drill "interskol".

          Interskol is a purely Russian design of power tools. The Chinese have made great efforts for the leadership of Interskol to open a plant in the PRC. The management of Interskol tried to expand its production at Domodedovo, but faced the problem of buying limits for additional electricity. Then Chubais appeared in the RAO and began to make money out of thin air (to demand payment for connecting to electricity). Where before a simple rural electrician installed automatic circuit breakers and pulled wires on a pole, effective managers received tens of thousands of dollars for each connected kilowatt and for signing a drawing with circuit breaker icons and input terminals. Being in the PRC, the Interskol people asked how much it costs to connect the Domodedovo plant to electricity. The Chinese did not understand the meaning of the question, but they named the price of building such a new plant with all state permits. It turned out to be much lower than the price list of Chubais or his henchman-pestrator and enemy of production in Russia from RAOZ his signature. The plant was brought to the PRC within the timeframe in which Russia is given permission to connect electricity or gas. As long as the state imposingly spends taxes on city days, fireworks, biathlons, sports, theaters, we will lose to the PRC, Iran, Afghanistan and the DPRK, which have created a defensive system with which the United States, unlike Russia, does not want to test it.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 September 2022 14: 37
            0
            Quote: gsev
            The Chinese have made great efforts for the leadership of Interskol to open a plant in the PRC. The management of Interskol tried to expand its production in Domodedovo, but faced the problem of buying limits for additional electricity. Then Chubais appeared in the RAO and began to make money out of thin air (to demand payment for connecting to electricity). Where before a simple rural electrician installed circuit breakers and pulled wires on a pole, effective managers received tens of thousands of dollars

            The fact of the matter is that the Chinese leadership is working, and ours is making money.
  8. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 25 September 2022 12: 49
    +1
    Wouldn't it be better to reserve Iranian drones to destroy Ukrainian HIMARS, artillery and armored vehicles?
  9. Fisherman
    Fisherman 25 September 2022 12: 51
    +26
    ... they write from the spot that eight drones are circling over Odessa and calmly choose their targets ... ours are clearly opening the air defense system of Odessa ... if the dill does not turn on the air defense, the drones will simply nightmare the Odessa baderlogs and will knock out boats, ships, guns and even concentrations of the military ... it will be a horror for local warriors .... but they will turn on air defense - for this there are Mohajers who hang higher, relay the signals of Shahids (Geran) and have anti-radar missiles under their wings in readiness to suppress signal sources. So ours seriously took up local territorial air defense ... to kick out everything that emits radar and rocket launchers! The south must be taken to the PMR!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 25 September 2022 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: Fisherman
      The south must be taken to the PMR!

      together with the PMR ... Or up to and including the PMR ... yes
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 25 September 2022 17: 09
        +3
        The PMR is already ours - there are all ours, real Slavs for Russia!
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 25 September 2022 17: 36
          +2
          Quote: Fisherman
          The PMR is already ours - there are all ours, real Slavs for Russia!

          I see ... Only it's time to formalize the relationship on paper ...
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 25 September 2022 18: 30
            +2
            I agree! Referendum! Only throughout Moldova - at the entrance to the Russian Federation!
  10. Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 25 September 2022 12: 59
    +1
    Quote: Peter_Koldunov
    The most important question becomes - what destructive power do Geranium blows have? So far, I have received very little information...


    In open sources, 36 kg of explosives were assumed
    1. Fisherman
      Fisherman 25 September 2022 18: 31
      +1
      50 kg explosives. The Yankees even criticized the demonstration videos of the Iranians, declaring the impossibility of cramming so many explosives into this shaitan-dryndoletin. But the video in Ukraine clearly confirms the power of the Iranian explosives on the drone.
  11. gansales
    gansales 25 September 2022 13: 04
    0
    hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa

    Well, of course, but the main headquarters of all this is in the Pentagon, and these are all pawns
    1. Fisherman
      Fisherman 25 September 2022 18: 31
      0
      We will destroy pawns so that they do not become queens, everyone!
  12. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 25 September 2022 13: 08
    +2
    "The use of drones is already causing panic in Kyiv, Zelensky is demanding from sponsors the supply of air defense systems capable of shooting down Russian drones." (With)

    Gypsies x.e.r.o.v.y. In general, it is high time to recognize Ukr.u - the state as a terrorist and the EU and the USA - accomplices, officially. Thus, contact them at any international venues.
  13. Silver99
    Silver99 25 September 2022 13: 12
    +6
    Quote: Region-25.rus
    fortunately, there is nothing complicated there, at a penny price compared to the "caliber", besides, it is a consumable material and it is not a pity to lose if they are shot down. A swarm of low-flying kamikaze air defense drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is simply not available.
    they have been writing about this right there on VO for more than a year. But our MO apparently has a dissenting opinion wassat

    People with a "dissenting opinion" yesterday began to be expelled from the Moscow Region, I hope for a positive shift.
  14. Seamaster
    Seamaster 25 September 2022 13: 16
    +4
    only while he was flying he put half of Odessa on his ears and the headquarters was empty. Moreover, yesterday they had already bombed him

    - Already with the second shot from my faithful "revolver" I hit this terrible bear!
    - And what about the first shot, lieutenant?
    - And with the first shot I dispersed the gypsies who sang and danced nearby.
  15. stels_07
    stels_07 25 September 2022 13: 21
    +1
    If the target, the command headquarters is south, then what is the caliber not to smack?
    1. ocean
      ocean 25 September 2022 14: 12
      0
      A version about the use of drones has already been voiced here. In particular, Fisherman expressed it here. And this version has a right to exist
  16. Magellan
    Magellan 25 September 2022 13: 23
    0
    As they say, "small and daring!"
    Process all other headquarters and staffs with them
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 25 September 2022 13: 36
    +2
    Russian kamikaze drones "Geran-2" hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa
    . All the same, large, slow, noisy drones may not remain effective for long ... everyone who can will begin to actively create means of combating them.
    And there will remain for them a field of activity, application, where it is necessary cheaply, at least somehow, where there is no air defense at all.
    1. KCA
      KCA 25 September 2022 16: 19
      +1
      Russia has already had it for a long time, "Pantsir-S1" are called, just against such drones, OLS stands on them
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 September 2022 17: 07
        0
        Russia has a lot of things, but there are many more tasks that need to be performed right now.
        The country is big, to leave without control, protection, territory, objects throughout the country, it is a dangerous business!!!
        Let no one really dare to attack, fearing a vigorous baton, but they can arrange a provocation, alas, alas.
        There are many dangerous objects and all of them must be covered, no options.
  18. guest
    guest 25 September 2022 13: 47
    +1
    Good news, I would also like these "flowers" to fly to Kyiv.
    1. UA3QHP
      UA3QHP 25 September 2022 13: 54
      +4
      For good, this headquarters needed a couple of Iskanders, and not this airplane.
      1. guest
        guest 25 September 2022 14: 02
        +5
        For good, it was just necessary to raze Lviv to the ground for a long time.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 25 September 2022 14: 37
        0
        Quote: Ua3qhp
        For good, this headquarters needed a couple of Iskanders, and not this airplane.

        Let's see what will fly there after the regions become part of Russia.
        1. azkolt
          azkolt 25 September 2022 15: 20
          0
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: Ua3qhp
          For good, this headquarters needed a couple of Iskanders, and not this airplane.

          Let's see what will fly there after the regions become part of Russia.

          Same! Or do you think the Kursk and Belgorod regions are not part of Russia?
      3. Sebostyuan
        Sebostyuan 25 September 2022 14: 57
        +1
        I think the task of these drones is somewhat different than just hitting the headquarters. To smash the headquarters is most likely a nice bonus.
  19. yuriy55
    yuriy55 25 September 2022 14: 36
    0
    The question of whether or not to purchase such drones can be pushed aside. Recent events have shown that it is not only necessary, but necessary.

    It's time to rivet them ourselves, like pies, launching DAILY, at least TEN.
  20. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 25 September 2022 14: 49
    +1
    Quote from: nik-mazur
    Quote: JD1979
    a bunch of useless rubbish substantiated and proved.
    I don't know what rubbish you are talking about.

    Yes, at least Armata. Initially, it was known that not everything that was needed was produced for him in our country, some had to be bought in the West. So Armata can only be a parade tank. A lot of resources were spent just for a beautiful picture on Red Square.
  21. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 25 September 2022 14: 52
    +2
    Quote from Silver99

    People with a "dissenting opinion" yesterday began to be expelled from the Moscow Region, I hope for a positive shift.

    This should have been done before. Now, for positive changes, it is necessary to expel those who are taller.
  22. Sadok
    Sadok 25 September 2022 14: 55
    +1
    eh .. Odessa is a pity, like Kyiv. very beautiful cities. Well... let's build it back, we'll hang the junta instead of Christmas decorations.
  23. azkolt
    azkolt 25 September 2022 15: 18
    -1
    That's what with ... is it all we have cut down? Maybe the war would have ended!
  24. azkolt
    azkolt 25 September 2022 15: 20
    -1
    Quote: rocket757
    Russian kamikaze drones "Geran-2" hit the headquarters of the operational command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Odessa
    . All the same, large, slow, noisy drones may not remain effective for long ... everyone who can will begin to actively create means of combating them.
    And there will remain for them a field of activity, application, where it is necessary cheaply, at least somehow, where there is no air defense at all.

    I hope by this time they will rivet their own.
  25. Egor53
    Egor53 25 September 2022 15: 43
    +1
    There is a saying "Language will bring to Kyiv." I propose to attach tongues to Geranium-2 drones.
  26. Ludmila Myshkina
    Ludmila Myshkina 25 September 2022 16: 13
    0
    Yes. nice videos there
    t.me/ImpNavigator
    final match.
    1. stankow
      stankow 25 September 2022 17: 31
      0
      They shot well, but they needed machine guns. And tracers.
      1. Ludmila Myshkina
        Ludmila Myshkina 25 September 2022 17: 39
        0
        you advise the Ukrainians. next time they will know. if a small projectile is used on a drone. it means there is no task for mass damage within the city. and if there is a target of some kind of ammunition depot. then there are a lot of such projectiles
        1. stankow
          stankow 25 September 2022 17: 50
          0
          I am neutral. In general, I write about ways to protect against drones with small arms. Everyone can be useful.
  27. stankow
    stankow 25 September 2022 17: 08
    0
    And what will a charge of 30 kg do to a building? Vineset two rooms and all.
  28. runway-1
    runway-1 25 September 2022 17: 35
    +1
    Attempts to shoot down kamikaze drones were unsuccessful.
    There is at least one video.
  29. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 25 September 2022 22: 35
    0
    “Listen, you fool, stop eating your master's GERANIUM. - You try it, it's very tasty, like chewing a cabbage leaf. Cat house. Marshak.
  30. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 26 September 2022 06: 52
    0
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    as I understand Geranium 2 is quite cheap and simple

    Judging by the photo from Iran (from some parade):
    1. On a long trailer - only 2 such aircraft fit,
    which means (in size) => it is quite large.
    2. Large drone - may not be cheap, but it can
    carry more explosive weight: up to 50 kg (which is a plus).

    Details about Shahed-136:
    https://ctrana.media/news/408821-kharakteristiki-iranskikh-bespilotnikov-shahed-136-i-mokhadzher-6.html
  31. John Nameless
    John Nameless 26 September 2022 16: 16
    -2
    knowing about the constant strikes, I strongly doubt that work is really being done in such headquarters, except for imitation
  32. MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 26 September 2022 16: 27
    0
    And what have we forgotten in Odessa? Do we lack goals in the Donbass?!
  33. acetophenone
    acetophenone 26 September 2022 19: 16
    0
    What do you think "cheap" means? One million rubles? Ten millions? How? I didn’t find MD550 on Ali, there is 38 liters. With. As they say, for "take-off weight up to 90 kg." That is, the engine alone must pull half a million. Glider and electronic filling ... Management, etc. I think it will not fit into a million. Well if two. Pretty expensive "consumable". Of course, not a billion for a fighter-bomber, but nothing like that either ...
    1. AndreiSam
      AndreiSam 26 September 2022 21: 48
      0
      Handing out slingshots to everyone, engines that are sold on AliExpress is expensive. Gosh, where are you coming from.
  34. AndreiSam
    AndreiSam 26 September 2022 21: 44
    0
    The only massive UAV of the Russian army, Orlan-10, was delivered under Serdyukov, after which the horse did not roll. Just like a fact that says it all. Well, compromising evidence was dug up on him for a reason by rats in general's uniform.
  35. iz odessy
    iz odessy 26 September 2022 22: 50
    0
    Odessa, 26.09 22.-22.44 explosions are already 3 in our area, first a moped then a roar, apparently on a dive, then bang, the dogs are crazy, explosions are stronger than from "calibers", probably closer to the point of destruction. I think the whole city is on the ears, they write that on Kotovsky and in the center too