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Video of the flight of a Russian fighter with a burning engine appeared on the Web

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Video of the flight of a Russian fighter with a burning engine appeared on the Web

A video appeared on the Web with Russian fighters or front-line bombers, filmed, presumably in Ukraine. The first clip shows a flying aircraft with a burning engine, the second one shows the destruction of a fighter by means of air defense.


Now in order. On Saturday, Ukrainian and Russian Internet resources began to distribute a video with a flying Russian combat aircraft, followed by a fiery tail from one of the engines. It is assumed that this is a Su-34 front-line bomber. Ukrainian publics claim that this is a Russian bomber "struck" by the air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was shot down and "fell down somewhere." However, judging by the video, this is not an anti-aircraft missile hit, but most likely an engine surge that caught the plane. The video shows that the pilot takes some action, trying to bring down the flames. At the same time, the plane continues to move and is not going to fall.

Although there is no confirmation, let's hope that the bomber made it to the airfield and landed safely.


But the second video shows the defeat of some aircraft, similar to a Russian fighter or front-line bomber. The plane moves at a fairly low altitude, then the engine part is damaged, followed by the fall of the car. Judging by the two opened parachutes, the crew ejected. In the Russian Aerospace Forces, double crews are used on Su-34 front-line bombers and Su-30SM multirole fighters, but we cannot say that these are Su-34s or Su-30SMs. Due to poor shooting and long range, it is not possible to determine exactly which aircraft it is, and it is also unknown where and when this video was filmed.

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  1. Pytnik
    Pytnik 25 September 2022 09: 55
    +13
    FB (Former pilot, now a well-known blogger, for those who are not in the know and do not read the cart) last night in his telegram, posted ****** day, which means it’s really true ((
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 25 September 2022 10: 12
      +32
      There is a war, and anything happens to aviation. If only the pilots were alive
      1. gansales
        gansales 25 September 2022 10: 47
        +4
        Quote: dmi.pris
        There is a war, and anything happens to aviation. If only the pilots were alive

        I agree, the main thing is that the pilot would be alive ..
    2. poquello
      poquello 25 September 2022 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: Pytnik
      means really true

      ett probably when dill pearls in Kharkov
      1. Borik
        Borik 25 September 2022 15: 57
        0
        Two videos that are not related to each other in any way, two different cases are shown here. On the first plane, the plane continues to fly despite a long tongue of flame that looks like a surge. On the second, the plane crashes a few seconds after the defeat, but whose is it ????
        1. poquello
          poquello 25 September 2022 16: 07
          0
          Quote: Borik
          Two videos that are not related to each other in any way, two different cases are shown here. On the first plane, the plane continues to fly despite a long tongue of flame that looks like a surge. On the second, the plane crashes a few seconds after the defeat, but whose is it ????

          it doesn’t matter if ours is there on the breakthrough, there they knocked something out, they held the video - now they picked up everything fried
        2. svoroponov
          svoroponov 26 September 2022 09: 48
          0
          Surge leads to flameout (emissions are intermittent and short-term) and shutdown or destruction of the engine. Here on the video there is a fire in the engine. The reasons can be different - from a rocket or projectile hitting the engine or its fuel system to a technical malfunction. The aircraft leaves the combat zone. With such a fire, extinguishing it is useless. But if the plane is normally controlled, then it is quite enough to bring it closer to the location of its troops or behind a settlement into the fields and eject. An airfield with such a fire cannot be reached, and a forced landing threatens with an explosion. But in any case, the plane is lost.
          On the second video, it is not clear at all whose plane. It may well be Ukrainian Su.
          The bloggers' statements may not be reliable because the source of their information is not known. A reliable source is needed - a witness or the presence of a blogger at the crash site. Otherwise, this is not considered confirmation.
    3. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 26 September 2022 00: 11
      +1
      FB also posted on its tlg channel that both crews pulled out the PSO.
    4. mary_nicki
      mary_nicki 26 September 2022 02: 28
      0
      Yes, these are the rights of the Su-30SM (34) and the K-52 helicopter, they said this in the news on Zvezda this afternoon. But, both crews were saved. The Americans, who monitor our airfields, and calculate how many minutes later they will appear at the point, help the VSU officers to calculate. APU is ready to accept. Our people understood this, they will come up with something.
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  2. svp67
    svp67 25 September 2022 09: 57
    +13
    Ukrainian publics claim that this is a Russian bomber "struck" by the air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was shot down and "fell down somewhere."
    Nevertheless, there is already a video and photo of the fall of the Su-30 and two parachutes against this background.
    1. figwam
      figwam 25 September 2022 10: 35
      +10
      I'm sure both videos show our Su-34 bomber
      1. Frost
        Frost 25 September 2022 11: 20
        +31
        Quote: figvam
        on both videos our Su-34 bomber

        Yesterday, two planes shot down a Su-34 and a Su-30SM. As the firebomber writes, one of our crews was taken away immediately, but the second crew was unlucky, the PSO helicopter came under heavy enemy fire, the GOP entered the battle, but they could not pick up ours.
        The crew had to take a little walk. They took them too. Everyone is alive. Everything is fine. Kiev partners write that they began to use quadrics to detect aircraft suitable at low altitude. After that, the approach course and the place of the aircraft are transferred to the calculations of MANPADS and memory.
        1. Oleg812spb
          Oleg812spb 25 September 2022 12: 28
          +9
          It has long been known that low-flying targets, including stealth, are easily detected when they are observed from above, which can be done by means of controlling the airspace of Ukrainian allies. With a quadric with good optics, it is possible to visually detect aircraft, but given the short detection range and the very high speed of movement, there is very little reaction time left, so they are more likely to be controlled / confirmed. And finally, strangely, he flew in the air defense zone - high, without firing traps ...
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    2. Apprentice_SAM
      Apprentice_SAM 25 September 2022 10: 37
      +1
      Hello, Sergey.
      Strains the eighth second of the first video and the end of the second (smoke at the crash site). At the seventh or eighth second of the second video, launches are probably visible (two or three?). Were you waiting?
      1. figwam
        figwam 25 September 2022 10: 42
        -1
        Here it is possible that our aircraft could have been attacked by MiG-29 fighters, which constantly appear near dill, since there is no smoky trail from the launch of MANPADS.
        1. figwam
          figwam 25 September 2022 10: 53
          +4
          Yes, exactly for 7 seconds of the second video you can see a rocket, the flight is horizontal, which means it was not fired from the ground, or by some kind of air defense with a good range
          1. Apprentice_SAM
            Apprentice_SAM 25 September 2022 11: 06
            0
            Notice the cloud of smoke on the ground, just to the left of the rocket. Head-on start?
            1. Youtu๒e
              Youtu๒e 25 September 2022 16: 14
              0
              The rocket was catching up with the plane, in slow motion you can clearly see that it followed the plane horizontally from behind.
        2. Apprentice_SAM
          Apprentice_SAM 25 September 2022 10: 59
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          Here it is possible that our aircraft could have been attacked by MiG-29 fighters, which constantly appear near dill, since there is no smoky trail from the launch of MANPADS.


          I welcome you, Sergey!
          The quality of the video is low, maybe that's why the trace is not visible? On the second video on the ground, from the starboard side, clouds of white smoke. To the goal - a kilometer and a half. MANPADS?
          1. figwam
            figwam 25 September 2022 11: 41
            0
            Quote: Visitor_SAM
            I welcome you, Sergey!
            The quality of the video is low, maybe that's why the trace is not visible? On the second video on the ground, from the starboard side, clouds of white smoke. To the goal - a kilometer and a half. MANPADS?

            No, I think the trace from the MANPADS would be clearly visible
      2. Apprentice_SAM
        Apprentice_SAM 25 September 2022 10: 49
        +2
        IMHO. Shooting from different angles of the same event. A couple flew. They were expected.
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 25 September 2022 11: 23
          +18
          IMHO. Shooting from different angles of the same event. A couple flew. They were expected.

          Perhaps they were pointing from the drone that was filming. It is worse if the "air defense system + drone" system is automated. I wonder why the protection did not work? Only yesterday the military correspondents wrote that for some reason we stopped systematically working on enemy air defense, as we did at the beginning of the operation. They stopped working on fuel storage facilities in the depths, creating a deficit. Strange things are happening. One layoff won't solve it.
          1. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 25 September 2022 11: 45
            +6
            By the way, here is confirmation from the military correspondents:

            "x.o.x.l.y. they write that they began to use quadrics to detect aircraft suitable at low altitude. After that, the approach course and the position of the aircraft are transferred to the calculations of MANPADS and ZU." (With)

            "This must be taken into account.
            During the day, you need to fly lower, use duty in zones, different routes and combat courses, and do the main work in the dark.

            In general, the decision to track from drones suggested itself. Constant monitoring of the ground / launches / near-earth air would not hurt us either. Their helicopters are still flying. There is a feeling that it is time for the troops, as soon as possible, without delay, to transfer the best combat experience to the rotated, newly mobilized, in training, etc. On earth, for example, the experience of the Wagners.
          2. Apprentice_SAM
            Apprentice_SAM 25 September 2022 11: 55
            +6
            Perhaps they were pointing from the drone that was filming. It is worse if the "air defense system + drone" system is automated.

            I didn’t even think about the drone, now I noticed - it seems.

            I wonder why the protection did not work?


            If from the ground MANPADS on a collision course from a distance of 1,5-2 kilometers? I don't know if the defense will succeed or not.
            planned operation. Alternatively, we waited on the way back along the route. Three or four groups with MANPADS; one group - alerts (5-6 km closer along the course); one or two control and coordination groups (UAV operators).
            If so, then "drain". Tin...
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 25 September 2022 12: 59
              +5
              It's not a plum. This is the work of an AWACS aircraft from the territory of Romania or Poland.
            2. Havoc
              Havoc 25 September 2022 18: 01
              0
              Fighters of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation shot down two Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft in the Nikolaev region, which were converted to use American HARM missiles. This was announced on Sunday, September 25, by the Russian Ministry of Defense.
              “Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the areas of the settlements of Novoukrainka and Bashtanka in the Nikolaev region shot down two MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian air force, converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles,” the ministry’s Telegram channel says. 3 hours ago.
              Prohodimets
              "If MANPADS are on the opposite course from the ground from a distance of 1,5-2 kilometers? I don’t know if the protection will be in time or not"

              What difference does it make, on a head-on course or in pursuit, the warning system will work (watch the video of the landing in Gostomel, and there the helicopter left the MANPADS, there will be a clear contrail from the MANPADS from the ground, there is none here, then air-to-air. Especially if it was the Su-34 that was electronic warfare on a regular basis. Khz who to believe, and bloggers and Khokhols in particular have no faith, they have a lot of fakes about aviation ..
              1. Osipov9391
                Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 04
                -2
                Aircraft such as the Su-34 and Su-30 are defenseless against MANPADS, especially at such an altitude where they overtook him, less than a kilometer.
                The maximum that the crew could do was to shoot off heat traps, but Western MANPADS in terms of selecting real and false targets went far ahead of the old Soviet ones.
                Only the Su-39 attack aircraft, which did not go into production, was planned to be equipped with protection against such threats.
          3. svoroponov
            svoroponov 26 September 2022 10: 15
            0
            Yes, on flat terrain and a flight altitude of 100 - 150 meters, you don’t have to wait for it, you can see it from afar and the sound of the engine will help. Moreover, they have prepared calculations with MANPADS, which they put up near settlements, assuming raids. As a rule, these are mercenaries with experience. Somewhere here there have already been messages about such groups.
            It is strange that the traps did not work out. Either they ran out or after the attack the Ukrainians passed on where the board went and there was preparation time. Yes, and they went without performing anti-missile evasions in the form of a snake, for example. You can see the first sorties of crews for real combat use.
        2. Arkady007
          Arkady007 25 September 2022 11: 53
          +3
          The events are different, due to the different underlying surface.
          The UAV specifically accompanied, so there was such a task. Once accompanied, it means there was a binding to the area with the transfer of data to whoever needed it. So here they outplayed us.
          And then the flights were at an altitude of at least 100 m, which, in principle, for air defense is already like 1000. You have to work here.
      3. Vrotkompot
        Vrotkompot 25 September 2022 13: 12
        +4
        And what are the doubts that they were waiting for? Or are NATO AWACS planes just around the clock hanging near the conflict zone?
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 25 September 2022 18: 38
          +1
          AWACS aircraft over Romania will only be seen as far as Kherson and maybe Zaporozhye region, and even then not Su flying to WWI. Above the LDNR, they no longer see anything; the curvature of the globe interferes.
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 06
            -1
            The fact of the matter is that the curvature of the globe (radio horizon) does not significantly interfere with AWACS aircraft.
            The higher you go, the farther you see. And he scans the entire South of Ukraine.
            There is even a pulsed over-the-horizon mode (VTH) for detecting ballistic missile launches.
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 26 September 2022 01: 11
              +1
              The curvature of the globe, EPR, and the ability to distinguish a target against the background of the earth are the most important components that affect the target detection range of any AWACS aircraft. And even the most advanced AWACS aircraft will be able to detect a target with the Su-34 EPR at an altitude above 10 thousand no further than 650 km from its location, and if the Su-34 flies at an altitude of up to 200 meters, this range is reduced to about 300 km. Look at the distances from the nearest point over Romanian territory and you will see the AWACS target detection range.

              And let's forget about the fairy tales associated with trans-horizontal regimes and remember that missile launches at a great distance are detected at the same great heights.
            2. rtv
              rtv 30 September 2022 04: 19
              0
              I don’t remember if you posted this picture or someone else, but in this picture there is no over-the-horizon detection anywhere. It's just PR and self-promotion. And the curvature is not the globe, but the curvature of the Earth (the geoid, to be precise, to simplify the calculations, they also take an ellipsoid). At long ranges, due to the nonlinear transformation from polar to Cartesian coordinates, both accuracy characteristics, resolution, target selection, and noise immunity deteriorate greatly. At 400 km, the detection range, I still believe, anything more is already doubtful. There, after all, it is not only necessary to detect, it is also necessary to take on support and measure the parameters of the target.
  3. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 25 September 2022 09: 57
    -15
    And from which side is the Russian one? The same silhouette is in Ukrainian aircraft.
    But it is in the Armed Forces of Ukraine that combat aviation is used singly, and not as part of groups.
    1. Igar
      Igar 25 September 2022 10: 03
      +18
      There are both aircraft with a pronounced PGO. Kyiv has no such
      1. Havoc
        Havoc 25 September 2022 10: 48
        -1
        Sorry, but how did you look at the PGO in the second video, I didn’t see how much I looked, for example, I see, in the second video that the plane is in blue color. And light blue with blue is the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yes, and as it was noticed here, our planes do not fly alone.
        1. Igar
          Igar 25 September 2022 10: 57
          +3
          The quality of the video is not so hot, but nevertheless, the plumage can be disassembled.

          1. vovochkarzhevsky
            vovochkarzhevsky 25 September 2022 14: 52
            -3
            Are you from Ukraine? Then it is clear that you really want it to be a Russian aircraft.
            Only here is another photo for you, on the upper part of which it is clearly visible that the PGO has the same sweep as the wing.
            And even if end holders are noticeable in a blurry picture, then the PGO should also be seen quite well. Not like here.
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 11
              -4
              It was our plane that was shot down. I know perfectly well what it is about, including from other sources. In the video, if someone does not understand how both pilots ejected miraculously.
              Rybar, Alksnis, Kalashnikov have this topic.
              1. vovochkarzhevsky
                vovochkarzhevsky 26 September 2022 11: 40
                0
                Facts, okromya "I know" will be?
                1. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 27 September 2022 15: 21
                  -1
                  The pilots are alive. We got there ourselves. https://t.me/fighter_bomber/8722
                  1. vovochkarzhevsky
                    vovochkarzhevsky 27 September 2022 23: 50
                    -1
                    "Telegram" is your proof?
                    1. Osipov9391
                      Osipov9391 28 September 2022 00: 10
                      -2
                      Not a single one of the dead pilots of the Su-34 and Su-30SM has been buried in Russia.
                      What else does ?
                      1. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 28 September 2022 00: 11
                        0
                        So what? What does this have to do with this video?
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 25 September 2022 10: 05
      +12
      the crashed plane is clearly with a characteristic Russian coloring. But why do Russian planes fly alone - the question is? The fact that the pilots ejected is good, but again the question is: where did they land and who controls the territory. One hope is that basically our aircraft does not fly over enemy territory.
      1. Hanurik
        Hanurik 25 September 2022 10: 26
        -6
        We have tanks one by one. Generals of GENI.
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 25 September 2022 10: 58
          +4
          generals cover their asses. at the initial stage, the tanks drove in dense columns and were burned mercilessly by all possible means. Now they began to disperse, but as always, they do this primarily not on the basis of military expediency, but so that they would not be scolded from the top if something suddenly goes wrong.
          1. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 25 September 2022 11: 51
            +3
            They write both our crews were evacuated
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 13
              -1
              Yes, saved. Another Ka-52 helicopter was shot down. But there the pilots seem to have died.
          2. Hanurik
            Hanurik 25 September 2022 12: 32
            +6
            At the initial stage, they traveled in columns without infantry, without reconnaissance and without security. I'm telling you - geniuses, for which they will not undertake, will ruin everything.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 25 September 2022 10: 41
        +2
        Quote: AwaZ
        One hope is that basically our aircraft does not fly over enemy territory.

        Who knocked her out then?... Eh...
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 25 September 2022 10: 55
          -5
          it can be anything: from DRG to friendly fire .. Again, now our troops are retreating in places and it even happens that they run very quickly and the situation on the front line is changing, and since the interaction of different structures is not really well established, it could well be like this that the aircraft was already over enemy-controlled territory. This is sad
      3. Al manah
        Al manah 25 September 2022 11: 07
        -3
        basically our aircraft does not fly over enemy territory.

        Yeah, thanks, now I understand what "air supremacy" is ...
      4. vitvit123
        vitvit123 25 September 2022 11: 21
        +3
        And what would change if they flew in pairs?
      5. vovochkarzhevsky
        vovochkarzhevsky 25 September 2022 14: 55
        -3
        And why do you think that this is a video of a real fact, and not the fruit of computer graphics?
    3. Fisherman
      Fisherman 25 September 2022 10: 05
      0
      well, don’t you understand ... it’s necessary for the CIPSO to work out hryvnias / greens and competently throw in provocative materials for our "experts", whom the front has been waiting for. After all, the dill said that this was our single plane, which "brazenly" flew to bomb the "ancient people" and "received what it deserved", but how not to believe such authoritative sources that have never been caught in a lie? Our military correspondents reported about the plane with anointing, the pilots are alive and well at home ... but this is "Putin's propaganda" and it is boring and unpretentious, or it's a matter of dispersing the active and joyful crackling of dill - life ceases to be boring.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 25 September 2022 09: 59
    +20
    the second video shows the defeat of some aircraft,
    . As long as the air defense of the defender is not destroyed, the aviation of the next one has big problems ...
    This is war!!! Either smash the enemy to the end, incurring certain losses ... or suffer losses WITHOUT END!!!
    1. edmed
      edmed 25 September 2022 10: 26
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      . As long as the air defense of the defender is not destroyed, the aviation of the next one has big problems ...
      This is war!!! Either smash the enemy to the end, incurring certain losses ... or suffer losses WITHOUT END!!!

      From the military commanders, at the beginning of the war there was a coordinated effect on the enemy’s air defense, reconnaissance, suppression, destruction of the enemy’s air defense, the Russian Air Force even went to the Z.U., and then everything, crawling on the belly in the frontline zone. This is to the quality of the management of Strange Military Operation.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 September 2022 10: 43
        +12
        It won’t get any easier further .. foreign ones can supply air defense systems 100% adapted to external control and this will be a real, serious problem !!!
        Delaying the military operation is not good for us !!!
        Any miscalculations, imperfections, from the very beginning ... operations, this is a violation of the basic rules of waging WAR !!!
        Let's take a sip of grief, and not a little more!
        The question is ... those who were "too smart" were removed from the control of the military operation, or HOW ???
        It is clear that WINTER is COMING and it will make its own adjustments, it will be more difficult for everyone !!! But, with that determination to add Russia, by proxy, so far, among foreigners, it’s not just like that, sneeze! Everything is very serious, dangerous!
        1. edmed
          edmed 25 September 2022 11: 10
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Everything is very serious, dangerous!

          Here the question is - Either we, or they, and while we have a bronze-headed iron-assed greedy dough and power, we will be sick.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 September 2022 11: 24
            0
            Such a power BUT ... we don’t have another yet, and we’ll have to win with these.
            The main thing is that we need to decide that they are with US, and remind them that this is not us for them.
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              1. edmed
                edmed 25 September 2022 11: 50
                +3
                Quote: rocket757
                Such a power BUT ... we don’t have another yet, and we’ll have to win with these.
                The main thing is that we need to decide that they are with US, and remind them that this is not us for them.

                Not when they will be with us, and they are exactly who is there for whom, except for their preoccupied womb, something that would be satisfying, warm, and comfortable, and to betray in time - their motto.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 25 September 2022 12: 55
                  +1
                  The question here is simple ... but are those who betray needed for anyone at all?
                  They are used and thrown away, then .... it has already reached some and they are not torn outside, because they will be leveled there, twice.
            3. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 25 September 2022 19: 06
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Such a power BUT ... we don’t have another yet, and we’ll have to win with these.
              The main thing is that we need to decide that they are with US, and remind them that this is not us for them.

              A pop song was written for us.
              di liberta - Celestials.
              Celestials also hurt....
              Sarcasmelicho :)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 September 2022 19: 20
                +1
                So, they try, all sorts of different ones, with might and main ... "the rich also cry."
                Someone is watching this.
  5. expert
    expert 25 September 2022 10: 08
    +8
    Oh, it's heavy in my chest.
    If only the guys were saved!
    1. Pytnik
      Pytnik 25 September 2022 10: 26
      +9
      I looked at Ukrov’s dust on purpose, they are glad that they shot down, but there’s nothing about the crew, so the guys are not in captivity, God forbid that they were saved
  6. couch
    couch 25 September 2022 10: 15
    +20
    it seems to me, an old and sick slow-witted, it seems possible and necessary to launch a swarm of drones, identify these launchers and then eliminate them. It is not clear why this is not being done? Apparently there are not enough drones Then let our billionaire bankers buy them with their hard-earned money (as it has always been done in Russia) Their money will still be lost, and so the help of the army!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 25 September 2022 10: 24
      -3
      Quote from sofa
      it seems to me, an old and sick slow-witted, it seems possible and necessary to launch a swarm of drones, to identify these launchers

      Ukrainian air defense works on target designation from satellites and AWACS aircraft of NATO countries.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 September 2022 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: Dart2027
        Ukrainian air defense works on target designation from satellites and AWACS aircraft of NATO countries.

        Are you sure that the Soviet-made air defense systems are adapted to what would be controlled from the outside ???
        Oh, it's doubtful. They receive an alert, data on the air situation, this is understandable, but targeting, most likely, by the standard means of the air defense systems themselves.
        By the way, everything is fine and efficient there, if they are in working, proper condition!
        Another thing is that they are not necessarily in a constant, combat readiness mode, precisely because the overall picture, the situation, is controlled by foreign means of control and this presents a real problem for the possibility of detecting means of detection, target designation.
        Everything is not simple, and it is difficult to deal with enemy air defense in this particular case.
        So something that is not impossible, but there will be losses, this is understandable and ....
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 25 September 2022 11: 17
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          They receive an alert, data on the air situation, this is understandable, but targeting, most likely, by the standard means of the air defense systems themselves.

          This is what I mean.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 September 2022 11: 28
            +1
            It is clear ... the accuracy of the wording, it is sometimes not clear what exactly was meant.
            But this does not change the essence of the matter ... the moment when it was possible to control everything and not let it unfold fully is LOST! Alas, things are getting more complicated now.
        2. Bayun
          Bayun 25 September 2022 12: 40
          +3
          ... I will assume that they are "adapted".

          I don’t see any particular problems in replacing the control panel with buttons with a “matchbox” with GPS and a “digit”. If the "box" gives the necessary signals, the "iron" will shoot where it says ...
        3. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 15
          -1
          Adapted. Probably the key component of this Starlink through which data is exchanged between AWACS and firepower, or somehow in between.
      2. sgrabik
        sgrabik 25 September 2022 14: 05
        +3
        Not all of their air defense, and far from in all cases, works according to NATO target designation, there is no need to exaggerate their capabilities, but the fact that we have weakened the hunt for Ukro air defense is very sad, it's time to find new ways to identify it and promptly destroy it.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 25 September 2022 14: 13
          +1
          Quote: sgrabik
          Not all of their air defense, and not in all cases, works according to NATO target designation

          And by whom? If they turn on their radars, then only during the actual shooting.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 25 September 2022 20: 14
            +3
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: sgrabik
            Not all of their air defense, and not in all cases, works according to NATO target designation

            And by whom? If they turn on their radars, then only during the actual shooting.

            Watch the video "To everyone who accepted this fight" from FighterBomber on YouTube. 2 weeks ago.
            There you can clearly see the use of mobile phones as navigators on the left.
            So, to track down those mobile phones that move so quickly in the coverage areas of cell towers, the developers of the hardware and OS stuffing of these same smartphones have no problems at all. Task for a minute.
            Moreover, I am sure that they can receive data both in the Ukrainian zone of towers and in the Russian one.
            Few people know what exactly is transmitted in the backdoors.
            But the fact that this is self-disclosure is a fact.
            You can track the take-off by reactivating these devices on Russian soil, which have already been lit up during the movements of the Russian Federation-Ukraine.
            And keep track of all flight tasks, all habits of pilots, all maneuvers (and gyroscopes and accelerometers also give everything).
            And if these are personal smartphones of pilots at all, then the matter is generally a complete mess.
            So using smartphones, we ourselves are the enemy of information when we fly, where we fly, and where we fly.
            It would be strange if, after this, they would not put their MANPADS outfits successfully for them.
            This is from the same opera, about how gopnicheskie youth and schoolchildren make videos, how they beat someone, then in a frenzy puts them on the net, and then the police take them and they get real terms.
            You need to know the technique. And have a head.
            Not just pushing buttons.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 25 September 2022 21: 04
              +1
              Quote: SovAr238A
              So using smartphones, we ourselves are the enemy of information when we fly, where we fly, and where we fly.
              Ugh, that's just in practice
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 25 September 2022 21: 16
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: SovAr238A
                So using smartphones, we ourselves are the enemy of information when we fly, where we fly, and where we fly.
                Ugh, that's just in practice

                Watch the video, and do not tryndite agitation.
                You can see everything in the video.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 25 September 2022 21: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  You can see everything in the video.

                  The video is an assembly of different videos that the author came across, but the fact that even before the start of the CBO, using phones was banned is a fact.
                2. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 00
                  -1
                  And on the video, the cockpit of an ordinary Su-25 and not even a Su-25SM.
                  Horror ... they still fly from the time of Afghanistan ...
    2. NAF-NAF
      NAF-NAF 25 September 2022 10: 29
      +4
      Seriously? about billionaires? for them, the people are just biomass, and Russia is "this country" ... And these bankers from Washington and London are controlled through the numbers on the accounts (which they can reset for bad behavior)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 September 2022 11: 29
        0
        In this matter, everything is clear and there is no need to wait for positive changes, alas!
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 September 2022 11: 45
      +7
      Quote from sofa
      let our billionaire bankers buy them with their hard-earned money (as it has always been done in Russia) They will lose their money anyway, and so help the army!

      So far, I see that Abramovich gives iPhones to the Nazis and treats them in a restaurant.
    4. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 September 2022 19: 18
      +5
      Quote from sofa
      it seems to me, an old and sick slow-witted, it seems possible and necessary to launch a swarm of drones, identify these launchers and then eliminate them. It is not clear why this is not being done? Apparently there are not enough drones Then let our billionaire bankers buy them with their hard-earned money (as it has always been done in Russia) Their money will still be lost, and so the help of the army!

      To create a multi-purpose target like MALD, you must first come up with a concept for its application. Then prescribe technical specifications, then bring the level of industry to such a level that all the required equipment would have characteristics for 30-40 years ahead and fit into the budget, that is, what you write should be cheaper than the issued missiles.
      Moreover, the target should have the functionality of flight simulation from F-16 to B-52.
      To have all-angle detectors of radar radiation, their selection by type, georeferencing and transmission of everything detected during the flight to the command post, which is, among other things, the carrier aircraft of this target.
      There are also counter modes. A small EW station, for additional influence on the calculations of the radar, in order to identify spare backup frequencies or provoke the inclusion of other radars that are kept secret.
      So the creation of a high-quality target is akin to the production of such a good anti-ship missile. Billions of dollars 10 years of development.
      The oligarchs will not pull here.
      And the designers and the military have no brains in principle.
      For in the collapse of the 90s, all smart people fled from all design bureaus and fled from the army too. They had to feed their families and were left alone with nothing.
      Lapads.
      And what can a double mentor teach? Exactly what he knows. That is, for two. So we got the second and third generations of Losers-designers and Losers-highest officers.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 September 2022 09: 01
        0
        An interesting dispute turned out, truly "sofa"!
        By the way, I wrote about Losers for a long time, but even then the topic didn’t particularly go, and it won’t go now !!! Although many had to compare / consider what is happening and draw some conclusions!
        It remains to be hoped that the correct changes will occur, overdue and overripe!
        In general, we will see.
        I myself will not get into an argument, I have been sitting on the "sofa" for a long time, although I work in the IT field, but purely civil matters, military specifics are far from us ...
  7. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 25 September 2022 10: 16
    +7
    Lord, what courageous pilots, the plane is on fire, and they continue to fight for it, they do not eject, they try to save the car. Respect and honor! I hope they manage to get to the base and land safely!
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 25 September 2022 10: 50
      -1
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      Lord, what courageous pilots, the plane is on fire, and they continue to fight for it, they do not eject, they try to save the car. Respect and honor! I hope they manage to get to the base and land safely!

      Unfortunately the plane was shot down. In the morning I watched TG Evgeny Poddubny. The pilots ejected. Parachutes are visible. What happens next with them, where they ejected, there is no information.
      1. loki565
        loki565 25 September 2022 12: 14
        +5
        FB writes already at home, the PSO was evacuated
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 25 September 2022 14: 18
          +1
          Quote: loki565
          FB writes already at home, the PSO was evacuated

          Excellent ! Rescuers worked quickly.
  8. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 25 September 2022 10: 25
    +2
    It’s bad if the pilots fell on enemy-controlled territory, they were most likely captured. A trained flight crew is now worth its weight in gold, because the preparation of a new one will take a lot of time.
    1. Anna E
      Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 43
      0
      Military aviation schools churn out more lieutenants than the Air Force can "digest" them. In addition, it is possible to cook according to an abbreviated program, as in the Afghan war. A huge, fantastic number of hours future military pilots study "SOCIAL SCIENCES": philosophy, economics, psychology, political science, etc., etc. Of course, for a pilot they are almost more important than aerodynamics, materiel, weapons, tactics, in fact flight training and you can’t throw out an hour.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 September 2022 19: 20
      0
      Quote: Fedor Sokolov
      It’s bad if the pilots fell on enemy-controlled territory, they were most likely captured. A trained flight crew is now worth its weight in gold, because the preparation of a new one will take a lot of time.

      Not a lot? This year is a lot.
      A modern pilot needs to be trained for 10 years.
  9. maiman61
    maiman61 25 September 2022 10: 26
    +11
    The war will stop only in two cases. The real military threat to the United States from Russia. Or the COMPLETE liberation of Russian lands in Banderlogia.
    1. Anna E
      Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 32
      -1
      In the second case, you will have to reach London. First, they will throw Poland and the Baltic States into the furnace and then on the map to the west.
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 25 September 2022 14: 13
        0
        Poland knows perfectly well that no one will protect it, if they start military aggression against Russia, then no one will be restrained like now in Ukraine, here at least tactical nuclear weapons will not do, burn in thermonuclear fire, do the Poles need it ???
        1. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 20
          -2
          Well, if the United States has already "conditionally interceded" for Ukraine, repeatedly sending signals to Russia about the inadmissibility of using nuclear weapons against it, then how will they and the entire bloc react to a nuclear strike on their member?
          This will lead to those very flat attacks on Russia by NATO SSBNs.
          Disruptive blows. Straight ahead. From forward positions in the Mediterranean, North, Norwegian seas, from the North Pacific.
  10. km-21
    km-21 25 September 2022 10: 41
    +3
    However, judging by the video, this is not an anti-aircraft missile hit, but most likely an engine surge that caught the plane. The video shows that the pilot takes some action, trying to bring down the flames. At the same time, the plane continues to move and is not going to fall.

    This is never a surging, but an unambiguous fire of escaping fuel. With such a fire, the aircraft is doomed, even if it happens near the airfield. God bless the crew.
    1. Viktor29
      Viktor29 25 September 2022 11: 06
      0
      Quote: km-21
      With such a fire, the aircraft is doomed, even if it happens near the airfield.

      And if you turn off the fuel pump, is it still doomed?
      1. Anna E
        Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 28
        0
        How far the process has gone. Options are possible, as they say.
    2. Anna E
      Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 45
      +1
      The tanks are in the wings, but does it "leak" through the engine? Your deeds are wonderful, Lord!
  11. Alexander Kuksin
    Alexander Kuksin 25 September 2022 10: 43
    -1
    Damn, you'll understand! In the morning I read that the plane landed safely at the airfield ...
  12. Siberia55
    Siberia55 25 September 2022 10: 48
    0
    Please note that in the first video the plane flies over a column of smoke. Isn't this smoke from the first plane?
  13. g_ae
    g_ae 25 September 2022 10: 49
    -1
    And here is the question! They are used to the careful attitude of the RF Armed Forces to bridges in the territory controlled by Ukraine. They are accustomed to caring for the railway infrastructure, they are accustomed to a careful attitude to the energy structure, they are accustomed to a delicate attitude towards "decision-making centers".
    And what is the reason for the delicacy and care for the air defense system of Ukraine? It remains, as in a song, to gradually get used to this?
    1. loki565
      loki565 25 September 2022 12: 21
      -2
      They were shot down from MANPADS, which are very problematic to track and destroy
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 25 September 2022 13: 17
        0
        Come on! Does it change anything? In February they could fly to Kyiv, but now only on the front, and then crawling.
  14. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 25 September 2022 10: 57
    -1
    Author! The SU-24 has a double crew so something else
    1. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 25 September 2022 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: Saboteur_Navy
      Author! The SU-24 has a double crew so something else

      The author simply proceeds from the silhouette. And the silhouette there is clearly SU-27. So, given the two parachutes, it can only be su-30,32,34.
  15. Alex92
    Alex92 25 September 2022 10: 58
    +1
    Agreed on the first video, not very similar to the OP's result. And yes, most likely the Su-34 here and there
  16. takeshi
    takeshi 25 September 2022 11: 06
    +8
    In order to reassure all those who are worried about the pilots, let me quote the Fighterbomber tg channel
    morning post today
    All our pilots are alive and evacuated

    "Great Sunday morning gentlemen!
    Yesterday afternoon, the Ukrainians shot down a couple of our very best, the rest, as usual, came ... back.
    We took one crew right away, but the second crew was not lucky, the PSO helicopter came under heavy enemy fire, the GOP entered the battle, but they could not pick up ours.

    The crew had to take a little walk. They took them too. Everyone is alive. Everything is fine.

    Ukrainians write that they began to use quadrics to detect aircraft suitable at low altitude. After that, the approach course and the place of the aircraft are transferred to the calculations of MANPADS and memory.

    Taking into account the fact that the Ukrainians track all the take-offs of our aviation without any problems, and easily distinguish the plane went to work, or according to the training flight plan, it is not difficult for them to estimate the flight time plus or minus a couple of minutes. This must be taken into account. During the day, you need to fly lower, use duty in the zones, different routes and combat courses, and do the main work in the dark.
    And buy yourself normal shoes on the membrane, and wear full-time shitbots only for combat reviews.
  17. Al manah
    Al manah 25 September 2022 11: 09
    -2
    Quote: rocket757
    The question is ... those who were "too smart" were removed from the control of the military operation, or HOW ???

    I think it's been removed. And transferred, with an increase.
    1. Anna E
      Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 47
      +1
      "And the pike was thrown into the river."
  18. Pytnik
    Pytnik 25 September 2022 11: 16
    +2
    Alive!!! , both crews are alive !!! One was immediately pulled out, the other with a little adventure, but saved, FB just wrote good
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  19. Sergey39
    Sergey39 25 September 2022 11: 18
    +2
    According to the coloring, it looks like Su 34. The main thing is that the pilots are alive and landed on our territory!)))
    1. Anna E
      Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 18
      +2
      You can at least paint in pink polka dots on the video
  20. iz odessy
    iz odessy 25 September 2022 11: 30
    -8
    about the burning engine and the first video - dregs and rather a computer one. The engine cannot burn like that, surge cannot be designated like that, the pilot cannot, if not a scumbag, not see through the periscope what is burning and not eject for so long, tempting fate. It’s a pity they didn’t make a blue-yellow flame in half. The second episode, yes. It's great that following the limit, they didn't use traps, or did they run out?
    1. Anna E
      Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 17
      +2
      In the event of a fire, the pilot will be told about this in Russian. This system has been used almost since the 50s and licked like a cat's ... You don't even need to look through a periscope, or a telescope, or a horoscope.
      1. iz odessy
        iz odessy 25 September 2022 13: 27
        0
        more specifically, please, about the "system almost from the 50s" ... maybe I forgot something in my old age, "exploiting", namely the "50s system" ... dear Anna
  21. Charik
    Charik 25 September 2022 11: 38
    +1
    shot down 2 Su30 or 34 aircraft?
    1. Anna E
      Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 13
      +2
      According to our reports, we have already shot down their aircraft, more than was manufactured. But they are ahead of us in this. War, propaganda, the "ghost of Kyiv" and all that. There is no point in discussing.
  22. Anna E
    Anna E 25 September 2022 12: 09
    +1
    What is visible? The aircraft maintains speed, stability and heading. Nothing falls off from him, he is controllable. At least during the shoot. What was, what will be and how the heart will calm down, then to the gypsies. They are experts in this area.
  23. certero
    certero 25 September 2022 12: 14
    +4
    Quote: Dart2027
    Ukrainian air defense works on target designation from satellites and AWACS aircraft of NATO countries.

    Well, stop writing this garbage already.
    Look at the map of hostilities then at the distance where Western airborne early warning aircraft fly.
    At the same time, tell us about satellites that can detect low-flying aircraft.
    There is no need to invent evil NATO members; there are enough air defense systems in Ukraine.
  24. lisikat2
    lisikat2 25 September 2022 12: 46
    0
    There was information on the network that the Air Force was bullying the pilots.
    The media said to prepare a good pilot, nad: 7 years
    It's true?
  25. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 September 2022 12: 48
    0
    Again, they fly without protection systems. Where are they going again?
  26. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 September 2022 12: 50
    0
    Quote: takeshi
    In order to reassure all those who are worried about the pilots, let me quote the Fighterbomber tg channel
    morning post today
    All our pilots are alive and evacuated

    "Great Sunday morning gentlemen!
    Yesterday afternoon, the Ukrainians shot down a couple of our very best, the rest, as usual, came ... back.
    We took one crew right away, but the second crew was not lucky, the PSO helicopter came under heavy enemy fire, the GOP entered the battle, but they could not pick up ours.

    The crew had to take a little walk. They took them too. Everyone is alive. Everything is fine.

    Ukrainians write that they began to use quadrics to detect aircraft suitable at low altitude. After that, the approach course and the place of the aircraft are transferred to the calculations of MANPADS and memory.

    Taking into account the fact that the Ukrainians track all the take-offs of our aviation without any problems, and easily distinguish the plane went to work, or according to the training flight plan, it is not difficult for them to estimate the flight time plus or minus a couple of minutes. This must be taken into account. During the day, you need to fly lower, use duty in the zones, different routes and combat courses, and do the main work in the dark.
    And buy yourself normal shoes on the membrane, and wear full-time shitbots only for combat reviews.

    A disgrace, Shoigu, have they really been unable to organize the production of normal shoes for so many years? The generals found money for dachas in Turkey!
  27. ism_ek
    ism_ek 25 September 2022 12: 51
    +4
    In short, our Aerospace Forces, like the fleet, were not ready for a war with Ukraine.
    The fight against enemy air defense is the responsibility of the Aerospace Forces. They didn't call them that for nothing. They have all the ability to identify the enemy, the ability to strike. Why they push their work to others is not clear.
    Flying fighters and front-line bombers in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbMANPADS is a crime.
    1. Iris
      Iris 25 September 2022 19: 59
      0
      Is Voronezh far from you? Drive there, give a lecture on the CBP at the local VKS academy. All questions will be answered right away. And your doubts will be dispelled.
  28. Pilot 2017
    Pilot 2017 25 September 2022 13: 09
    -3
    To be honest, it is impossible to determine which aircraft was in the first video, it is quite possible that our SU-30, or maybe the Ukrainian SU-27 in a two-seater modification. Video quality leaves a lot to be desired
  29. Dikson
    Dikson 25 September 2022 13: 12
    +3
    So we will be left without front-line aviation ..((Here's the no-fly zone for you .. Considering the ongoing supplies of Western weapons to Ukraine, you can not play this deadly roulette for a long time .. ((It's good that the pilots are all alive and not captured .. At least this is good..
  30. Viktor29
    Viktor29 25 September 2022 13: 20
    -2
    According to the 1st video of UkrTV, the 2nd video was posted, they say that it was near Redkodub, far away for NATO air reconnaissance.
  31. GREG68
    GREG68 25 September 2022 14: 41
    +1
    Surge also occurs when the engine is damaged.
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  33. azkolt
    azkolt 25 September 2022 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: Dikson
    So we will be left without front-line aviation ..((Here's the no-fly zone for you .. Considering the ongoing supplies of Western weapons to Ukraine, you can not play this deadly roulette for a long time .. ((It's good that the pilots are all alive and not captured .. At least this is good..

    Again, there was an article in the cart that in the first months there was suppression of x air defense and our crew even flew to the Zhytomyr region, and then for some reason they scored on it! In short, everything that is possible about .... I hope someday we will hear, instead of this pathetic babble, an explanation for all our failures in this WAR!
  34. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 25 September 2022 15: 11
    -4
    Guys, still try to critically evaluate what you are shown.
    First, from what point was the video produced? UAV? Then it's just not possible. Not because it is very difficult to catch a UAV in the optics, but because the UAV is primarily a reconnaissance for monitoring the enemy. And not in any way in order to observe their territory while flying behind the front line.
    Second, why is the video quality so low? After all, the optics on the UAV is very perfect. In addition, any operator accidentally catching an enemy aircraft in optics will first of all increase the scale, just on reflexes. And here there are no pretensions. There is only one conclusion, an arbitrary video was taken from the UAV, on which the plane was then completed. Therefore, the resolution was deliberately reduced in order to hide the fake.
    Thirdly, you need to understand that such fake videos will still appear more than once. A virtual victory is also a victory, especially when they believe in it from the other side.
  35. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 25 September 2022 15: 12
    -2
    Here is a photo after processing with a neural network
  36. AVESSALOM
    AVESSALOM 25 September 2022 19: 43
    -1
    Apparently, Russia is not good at suppressing air defense.
  37. Iris
    Iris 25 September 2022 19: 54
    +3
    Quote: IvanIvanov
    They write both our crews were evacuated

    three crews. They also lost a turntable, Ka-52. Three cars in one day - a clear search. Again the same question - when will we start to fight for real? When will Ukrainians be afraid to turn on a light bulb in the basement, and not transfer train brigades in trains during the day calmly?
  38. zenion
    zenion 25 September 2022 20: 09
    0
    Such a burning plane will never be shot down. Suddenly he falls on his head, how to put out the chuprin?
  39. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 26 September 2022 00: 23
    -1
    Kursk Su-30SM shot down. The crew is alive.
    MANPADS caught in the engine.
  40. Briz
    Briz 26 September 2022 01: 49
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    It's not a plum. This is the work of an AWACS aircraft from the territory of Romania or Poland.

    I thought more than once, but is it possible to "jam" them, also going on neutral territory? Keep some kind of "bear" with a serious jammer in the air there, although of course you can't drown out space.
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  42. AndreiSam
    AndreiSam 26 September 2022 21: 59
    0
    Thanks to Marshal Izyum-Balakleysky, everything is like on air darts: unguided FABs with equipment worth 50 million at low altitude instead of KABs and strikes without entering the enemy’s air defense zone.