The Russian President approved amendments to the law on military service

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The Russian President approved amendments to the law on military service

Vladimir Putin today signed the amendments to the law on military service adopted by the State Duma on September 20 this year.

The amendments provide for the following measures:



• if illegal actions against military service are committed during a declared martial law or mobilization, this will be considered an aggravating circumstance. Previously, they were considered as such when committed in conditions of an armed conflict or hostilities;

• more severe will be the punishment for such actions as: disobeying a military order, going AWOL, desertion, damage to military property, evasion of service;

• Criminal liability now extends to those who were called up for collections from the reserve, but did not show up for them, as well as to those who, after being called up from the reserve, left their place of service without permission;

• Those who voluntarily surrendered will face imprisonment for a term of 3 to 10 years;

• Looting is punishable by up to 15 years of imprisonment;

• violation (repeated) of the contract under the state defense order will be punished by 4-8 years in prison, and in case of non-fulfillment of the order or damage of more than five million rubles, the punishment will be 5-10 years in prison;

• Repeated refusal to conclude a contract under the state defense order will now incur criminal liability - imprisonment for a period of 4-8 years.
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  1. +40
    24 September 2022 17: 40
    Why is nothing said about the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Finance? Like: "Refusal to issue money ... is punished ..."
    1. +14
      24 September 2022 18: 12
      The Ministry of Finance is beyond jurisdiction, it is the purse of power.
      1. +3
        24 September 2022 21: 10
        Quote: marchcat
        The Ministry of Finance is beyond jurisdiction, it is the purse of power.

        This wallet is not our power.
    2. -6
      24 September 2022 18: 14
      Saw it online today.
      Just on the topic of Putin's amendments ...
      I fully support!
      1. -11
        24 September 2022 18: 31
        Ooooh, I look - the "XNUMXth" pulled themselves up, began to minus ....
        Lattice-a-a-a...
        Well, you can still dump in Georgia. On a Borjomi diet...
        Change your last name there.
        There will be Ivanidze, Petroshvili and Sidoriani...
        Topper for people like you... wink
        1. -7
          24 September 2022 18: 46
          Hey five hundred.
          Now this dead toad is your goddess...
          Pray for her!
          1. -3
            24 September 2022 19: 15
            And not a single creature, filthy, unsubscribed to me ..
            Only minus.
            Because it sucks... wink
            1. +11
              24 September 2022 19: 38
              Well, I'm minus, because it's already a boring boyan. A joke repeated many times loses its meaning.
              1. -2
                25 September 2022 10: 40
                So play for me On the bayonet, bayonet!
                And go to the front.
                Or point press-press?.
                Although, it seems to me that you are begging your mother for money for breakfast ... wink
                1. +3
                  25 September 2022 11: 49
                  "Point press-press" "creatures" ... A typical cheap gopnik podzaborny, apparently intellectual abilities from ethyl parents were transferred to you.
                2. +3
                  25 September 2022 12: 42
                  Please clarify, is the comment from the trench written?
                3. 0
                  25 September 2022 18: 19
                  You, comrade, do not poke me.
                  For I am not half yours, and I may have more seniority than you.
                  And judging by your manner of communication - and the mind too.
            2. +2
              24 September 2022 21: 14
              Do you write comments from the front? If not, then why haven't they gone to defend the Fatherland yet? Dodger? Disabled person? Homosexual?
              1. +2
                24 September 2022 21: 21
                Quote: tkoh
                Dodger? Disabled person? Homosexual?


                Can I see everyone?
              2. -4
                25 September 2022 10: 42
                Homosexual.
                I welcome people like you.
                Every day here, boy...
                Well, you like it... Anal free...
            3. -2
              25 September 2022 00: 22
              Maybe I don’t always agree with you, but now it’s nonsense for me in terms of the number of minuses, as I can correct it. It's a shame that there are enough fans of this lady here. Today I go to print out tickets (to the children's theater for my wife) I go in and turn to the employee "Your wife sent you tickets to the post office print out" Nearby, an individual has a round face like a traffic cop can light a cigarette and asks me a question: What are you dumping too? Frankly, in the year 14 I would have run to the draft board myself, now I’ll go if they call me without a doubt, but I won’t go myself.
              1. +1
                25 September 2022 11: 00
                Quote: Titus_2
                I’ll go now if they call me without a doubt, but I won’t go myself.

                Your right, Alex.
                On the 21st, without a summons, I went to the military registration and enlistment office.
                Unfit.
                Health and age.
                Twice wounded. And for a fifty.
                But if it's tight on the fronts, I'll find a loophole. PMC or people's militia of LDNR.
                1. +3
                  25 September 2022 12: 44
                  For 8 years, people have been going there to fight for the Donbass. If you wanted to find a loophole, you would.
                2. -1
                  26 September 2022 17: 11
                  What a poor unfortunate... And where were they wounded? In the back? Maybe it wasn't a bullet at all? You do not hesitate to tell. Homosexual deviance is a disease. Everyone here knows this and they won't laugh at you.
              2. 0
                26 September 2022 14: 29
                but now it’s nonsense for me in terms of the number of minuses, how can I correct it

                I'll send it too. I have more pluses. laughing
                And where can I guess the cons.
                Part of the population, especially the young men and women, are currently in a state close to panic hysteria.
                Therefore, they do not quite adequately relate to jokes on the topic of mobilization.
                Well, in general, to army humor - they didn’t serve.
                THEY ARE SCARY. Here they cockroach.
          2. +6
            24 September 2022 20: 53
            I did not know that Novodvorskaya died.,
            I hope there's a special cauldron in hell for her....
          3. +2
            24 September 2022 21: 56
            Now this dead toad is your goddess...

            Valeria Ilyinishna Novodvorskaya is our everything. A giant, wrinkled Supermozg with kind, horn-rimmed eyes. Turtle Tortilla Democratic Bloc. Knows where the golden key of social protection and economic prosperity is hidden, but will not tell anyone until she is ...
          4. 0
            25 September 2022 08: 37
            You divide the world into black and white, the rest is not about you. For example, this "toad" is completely unsympathetic to me, both during life and after death. BUT IF I don't like something in the government's policy, and I try to write about it, they immediately write it down in her camp. So, now the right position is to suck up from the "authorities" whatever they think. So this is not a normal society- this is slavery! hi
        2. +9
          24 September 2022 19: 15
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          Ooooh, I look - the "XNUMXth" pulled themselves up, began to minus ....

          Maybe they were just already fed up with juvenile morons, posting the same picture and squawking one after another about some "cargo 500"?
          1. -4
            24 September 2022 19: 18
            Quote: Aleksandre
            Quote: Paul Siebert
            Ooooh, I look - the "XNUMXth" pulled themselves up, began to minus ....

            Maybe they were just already fed up with juvenile morons, posting the same picture and squawking one after another about some "cargo 500"?

            Explain, sir...
            Who is the "juvenile debil" here?
        3. +4
          24 September 2022 21: 58
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          Ooooh, I look - the "XNUMXth" pulled themselves up, began to minus ....
          Lattice-a-a-a...

          You yourself are confused. You were downvoted because they considered the joke inappropriate today, as ridiculing the current decisions of the political and military leadership. In other words, they saw in you an "unfinished liberal." At first, I also took it that way, until I saw from the comment below that you are a patriot.

          Here shout "For the Motherland, for Stalin!" and ... hit the bullet! Not because the people are against it, but because the intonation may not be pleasant. For example, the voice of the same Novodvorskaya!
      2. 0
        24 September 2022 21: 50
        did he already collect the cider? or everything from the couch you urinate
        1. +1
          25 September 2022 11: 58
          Egorushka ...
          From the 21st.
          How are you?
          1. 0
            25 September 2022 13: 16
            I am not a Russian, and never have been. so that he himself is excellent, which is what I wish for all peaceful people.
            peace to the world, war pipe!
            1. 0
              26 September 2022 14: 32
              I am not Russian

              What are you doing here non-Russian?
              Do you have any problems in your country?
              Or going to the Russian Federation?
              1. 0
                26 September 2022 15: 18
                a lot of problems. and here I read the opinions of different people. What are you going to tell me?
                1. 0
                  26 September 2022 15: 26
                  respect it well.
                  Why are you writing?
                  Do you know the Russian proverb with their charter in someone else's monastery do not climb?
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2022 16: 17
                    so I do not live according to the charter. and I'm not going to your monastery. I wanted to write - I can not restrain myself smile
                    Are you Paul's lawyer?
                    1. 0
                      26 September 2022 18: 21
                      No, not a lawyer.
                      I am for the fact that people would be restrained in VO - this is not a garbage dump.
                      It's not your first day here.
                      And so the quality of the comments has gone down a lot. sad
                      1. 0
                        26 September 2022 20: 24
                        very. the only reason is in your monastery, kmk hi
    3. -5
      24 September 2022 18: 18
      so it is your own, dear, how you desecrate it
    4. +15
      24 September 2022 18: 38
      When will they write correctly in VO feel
      Vladimir Putin signed today amendments to the law on military serviceadopted by the State Duma on September 20 this year.

      And he signed
      Russian President Putin signed package of amendments to the Criminal Code concerning military service
  2. +21
    24 September 2022 17: 42
    repeated refusal to conclude a contract under the state defense order will now carry a criminal liability - imprisonment for a period of 4-8 years.

    Strange point, don't you think?
    1. +18
      24 September 2022 17: 49
      Strange point, don't you think?
      No, it doesn't. Obviously, there were precedents, and therefore added. Some defense plants are in private hands, for example, and this is not what you can expect from them.
      1. +2
        24 September 2022 18: 16
        Quote: S. Sergei
        No, it doesn’t.

        It even seems so. An unplowed field for corruption.
        1. 0
          26 September 2022 14: 54
          I read it. You, as always, without understanding, rushed to expose the authorities in corruption as a hereditary fighter against the regime. laughing In fairness, it is written so that you can understand the hell - I had to show the lawyer.

          It's about something else. This article is NOT ABOUT PERFORMERS of the state order, BUT ABOUT customers. Those who have already played a tender violated the conditions for choosing a contract, they discovered this, but the customers are not going to play a new tender. That is, it is an anti-corruption article in its purest form.

          I'm talking about article 201.
      2. +21
        24 September 2022 18: 26
        They refuse to produce products under the state defense order on principle - so nationalize. And to force, under pain of prison, to sign a contract, so you can enter any requirements into the contract, all the same, you can’t refuse a second time.
        1. +3
          24 September 2022 21: 21
          Let them learn how to work with personnel, cooperate with specialized universities, recruit promising graduates and raise valuable personnel. You see, there are no qualified personnel. Wow. Also what, it is the reason sucks to work? This means that we should think not about golden toilet bowls, but about how to make the enterprise working and successful. Turn on your brains and throw all your strength into it. Think about where to get components, how to improve all processes. For this, a person has a head, and not just to eat with his mouth.
          1. 0
            24 September 2022 22: 58
            If you are required to produce products at a minimum profit, will you work?
            1. +1
              24 September 2022 23: 22
              If it is necessary for the security of the country, yes. Time has changed in general. What previously seemed optional, unimportant, is now necessary.
              1. +2
                24 September 2022 23: 38
                That is, are you ready to sharpen shells for 12 thousand a month? God help! I haven't seen these yet.
                1. +2
                  25 September 2022 09: 10
                  There are no such salaries. You have incorrect information. In our institution, a cleaner receives 35 tr. So do not write nonsense here.
                  1. -1
                    25 September 2022 11: 31
                    Quote: Tchaikovsky
                    There are no such salaries.

                    At us watchmen receive 11 thousand pure.
                    1. +2
                      25 September 2022 12: 18
                      Sadly. But you said in the message above "to sharpen shells for 12 thousand per month", and this is clearly not the watchmen.
                      1. 0
                        25 September 2022 12: 33
                        Quote: Tchaikovsky
                        "to sharpen shells for 12 thousand a month", and this is clearly not the watchmen.

                        I spoke about the minimum profit, when both the director and the janitor and the turner will equally receive a living wage. That is, after the order of the Ministry of Defense, there will be exactly so much for the payroll.
                    2. +1
                      25 September 2022 12: 20
                      Legal advisers in one government agency and not only in it receive 13.
      3. man
        +18
        24 September 2022 18: 35
        Some defense factories are in private hands, for example, and this is not what you can expect from them.
        Bl ... well, how could you give defense factories to private owners? am
        1. +8
          24 September 2022 18: 50
          how could defense factories be given to private traders?
          This is the ideology in Russia. Capitalism. Liberalism.
          1. man
            +6
            24 September 2022 18: 57
            This is the ideology in Russia. Capitalism. Liberalism.
            Yes, I know, but not to the point of absurdity! I hope at least they didn’t drive foreigners?
            1. Alf
              +4
              24 September 2022 19: 29
              Quote: mann
              This is the ideology in Russia. Capitalism. Liberalism.
              Yes, I know, but not to the point of absurdity!

              They told you that the private trader is effective, the state is inefficient ...
              1. man
                +1
                24 September 2022 22: 37
                They told you that the private trader is effective, the state is inefficient ...
                Little was said! I say what I see: A private trader is effective in services, in light industry and in the production of consumer goods, but not in heavy industry!
                1. Alf
                  +3
                  24 September 2022 22: 46
                  Quote: mann
                  They told you that the private trader is effective, the state is inefficient ...
                  Little was said! I say what I see: A private trader is effective in services, in light industry and in the production of consumer goods, but not in heavy industry!

                  Who is arguing?
                  1. man
                    +3
                    24 September 2022 22: 56
                    Who is arguing?
                    I thought you... smile So I thought, you bastard, he put up an avatar that is still holy for me smile
                    Sorry
                    1. Alf
                      +2
                      25 September 2022 19: 25
                      Quote: mann
                      Who is arguing?
                      I thought you... smile So I thought, you bastard, he put up an avatar that is still holy for me smile
                      Sorry

                      Yes, everything is fine, what insults. hi
                2. +1
                  25 September 2022 12: 49
                  but not in heavy industry!

                  Are Boeing, Airbus, Lockheed Martin, Samsung, Rain Metal a joke to you? You can still remember the Mitsubishi, but there they themselves are in the government, consider national lol
                  1. man
                    +1
                    25 September 2022 15: 36
                    I meant Russian companies.
                    Not added in Russia (
        2. 0
          24 September 2022 21: 50
          Quote: mann
          Some defense factories are in private hands, for example, and this is not what you can expect from them.
          Bl ... well, how could you give defense factories to private owners? am

          Well, how is it the same in everyone's "beloved" star-epolosed camp, private traders work for the defense industry and it seems to be even good, or do we take nothing from the West, even normal?
          1. man
            +3
            24 September 2022 22: 45
            Well, it’s the same in everyone’s “beloved” star-epolosed camp, private traders work for the defense industry and it seems to be even good
            And the Soviet defense industry was one of the few industries in which we not only did not concede, but were ahead of the states in many areas. Until now, the Russian Federation uses the developments of Soviet engineers!
          2. Alf
            +1
            24 September 2022 22: 47
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            in the star-epolosed camp, private traders work for the defense industry and it seems to be even good

            They just rob their treasury so that only a groan is worth it.
          3. man
            0
            24 September 2022 23: 02
            Well, how is it the same in everyone's "beloved" star-epolosed camp, private traders work for the defense industry and it seems to be even good, or do we take nothing from the West, even normal?
            And the worst thing, with venality and gluttony
            our capitalists, they may well sell defense secrets to the west am
      4. Alf
        +6
        24 September 2022 19: 26
        Quote: S. Sergei
        Obviously, there were precedents, and therefore added. Some defense plants are in private hands, for example, and this is not what you can expect from them.

        I wonder what our unforgettable Vadim237 will say about this amendment?
      5. 0
        24 September 2022 20: 02
        Quote: S. Sergei
        No, it doesn't. Obviously, there were precedents, and therefore added. Some defense plants are in private hands, for example, and this is not what you can expect from them.

        The precedents did not "exist", but have a chronic tendency due to the lack of the necessary components and qualified personnel, and not only because of criminal negligence.
        Sometimes I pass by the entrance of a factory working for the defense industry, on the information board of which there is a long list of vacancies in many specialties. There are no queues of people who want to.
        1. +1
          24 September 2022 21: 31
          There are no queues of applicants, because they have forgotten how to work with people and grow their own valuable personnel, communication with universities has been lost, and young people have no motivation to go there to work and gain experience. This is bad. Either they lost this skill, or they never knew how.
          This means that someone needs to leave the position, if he does not know how to set up a job, retire and make way for those who can.
          1. 0
            26 September 2022 16: 54
            There are no queues of applicants, because they have forgotten how to work with people and grow their own valuable personnel, communication with universities has been lost, and young people have no motivation to go there to work and gain experience. This is bad.

            That's it... People don't go because of low wages. When the leading specialists of shops and departments complained about this to the "effective top manager" from Moscow, he answered them - these are your problems. Oh how!

            Quote: Tchaikovsky
            This means that someone needs to leave the position, if he does not know how to set up a job, retire and make way for those who can.

            What is happening now. The company mainly employs people of retirement and pre-retirement age. They will soon leave and there will simply be no one to go along this road ....
        2. 0
          24 September 2022 21: 33
          Transferring experts. Not to be found even for a good salary. Well ... and finding a good salary is not yet quite a specialist, also a problem.
          1. +1
            24 September 2022 22: 04
            If we lose the SVO, then we will never be allowed to grow these specialists, they will ruin education, production, the country will be flooded with drugs and other rubbish, in a word they will repeat the 90s to us. In order for young people in this country to have a chance to build and create something, they need to win and defend their country. Otherwise, we will be crushed and rotten in the bud. Our youth, children, medicine, science and art will simply be smeared all over. To rise no more.
          2. 0
            26 September 2022 20: 30
            So this is the work of education. A valuable frame from an empty place is not taken. The entire education system should be geared towards producing good specialists, professionals in all fields. Though medicine, even production, even agriculture ... Previously, a promising student was noticed and picked up in high school, because the Soviet Union was in terms of staff growth not khukhra muhra. Everything was put on rails. Until it all fell apart in the 90s.
        3. +1
          24 September 2022 22: 33
          Quote: musketone64
          Sometimes I pass past the entrance of a factory working for the defense industry, on the information board of which hangs a long list of vacancies in many specialties. Something there are no queues of people who want to.

          You already decide, sometimes past the checkpoint, or there are no queues. Because we have a checkpoint and an administrative building, two different things basically. And no one will let applicants through the entrance of the plant, because they do not have a pass and permission. And they will go to the administrative building, to the personnel department. ..
          1. 0
            26 September 2022 16: 45
            Quote: Mitroha
            You already decide, sometimes past the checkpoint, or there are no queues. Because we have a checkpoint and an administrative building, two different things basically.

            Well, this is yours ... And here (I started my working career at this plant) these two objects were combined. Because in the "holy 90s" a separate building that housed the personnel department (1st floor) and some other services (2nd floor) was sold under the Slavyansky shopping center.
            Quote: Mitroha
            And no one will let applicants through the entrance of the plant, because they do not have a pass and permission. And they will go to the administrative building, to the personnel department. ..

            Applicants just need to read the list of vacancies at the entrance of the plant, go through the glass doors of the administrative building and immediately turn left, where the personnel department is located. The applicant will be met immediately by representatives of the employer at the turnstile and will be accompanied through the territory of the enterprise or will have a conversation without crossing the entrance of the enterprise. You see a contradiction where there is none.
        4. Alf
          +2
          24 September 2022 22: 52
          Quote: musketone64
          Sometimes I pass by the entrance of a factory working for the defense industry, on the information board of which there is a long list of vacancies in many specialties. There are no queues of people who want to.

          Right. To become a specialist, you need to work for ten years, and specialists, by and large, are now attached. But I will say this about the youth. They want to be paid 50-60 tons right away, they don’t agree to 30, an example of all sorts of blochers, hairdressers and others ... before their eyes. Why stand up to your elbows in an oil emulsion, if you can settle down in a dust-free place.
          1. 0
            25 September 2022 12: 57
            And how to live on 30, when buying average scall food in the top five / on the market for two or three days is 2k? To work for food and KU, if there is a place to live, and walk in rags? With free housing for everyone - housing, land, transport, normal medicine and leisure, and really for everyone, and not like in the USSR - there would be an option. But our rivers are not milk and the banks are not chocolate.
            1. Alf
              +1
              25 September 2022 22: 42
              Quote: IImonolitII
              But how to live on 30, when buying average scall food in the top five / on the market for two or three days is 2k?

              A counter question, what can he do to justify a RFP of 50 tons?
              1. +1
                26 September 2022 12: 47
                And it doesn't matter anymore. Whether you admit it or not, now 50 is a living wage, and 25-30 is a food basket, just to eat not only cheap pasta and cereals. We could grow them ourselves, but now they don’t give out dachas and free land to people). So for good, conditional cleaners, janitors, students after university should receive 50 tons. And if you are a competent specialist with at least some experience, then a hundred.
                1. Alf
                  0
                  26 September 2022 20: 09
                  Quote: IImonolitII
                  And it doesn’t matter.

                  That is, he should receive 50 just for the fact that His Majesty got a job at the factory? The point is not 50 or 100 thousand, the point is that a newly settled person without experience cannot receive as much as an experienced specialist receives. There are many people in VO who have their own business. Tell them that a settled person should immediately pay the RFP as an old experienced specialist. Listen to what they tell you.
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2022 20: 41
                    A young man is often a young father, a young family. And why suck a paw because you are young, because the path is just beginning? On the contrary, a good salary can be a motivation. Understanding that my work is valuable, I'm needed here, they don't consider me a piece of shit, because I'm young and inexperienced. A young guy is renting an apartment, to please his girlfriend with something, to eat normally, to feel like a man. So you have to pay normally even at the start. Then the person will not leave, but will grow here and grow into a good specialist.
                    1. Alf
                      0
                      26 September 2022 20: 49
                      Quote: Tchaikovsky
                      So you have to pay normally even at the start.

                      Dear Natalia, You don't seem to understand what I said. I do not deny that they should be paid adequately, I say that the salary of a novice worker cannot be equal to the salary of an experienced specialist.
                      Quote: Tchaikovsky
                      And that you suck your paw because you are young, because the path is just beginning

                      And what is the return for an enterprise from such a plainly not able to do anything? Show yourself and you will be respected, including financially. Ask your parents what salary they had at the beginning and they will tell you the same thing.
                      1. 0
                        26 September 2022 20: 56
                        Why ask your parents? And so it is clear that the salary of a beginner and an experienced specialist is very different. But it doesn't have to be a ridiculous amount that you can't live on. Zp can be worthy initially as a motivation. And then even more, over time.
                      2. Alf
                        0
                        26 September 2022 21: 16
                        Quote: Tchaikovsky
                        And so it is clear that the salary of a beginner and an experienced specialist is very different.

                        Finally ! Concept happened! Actually, that's what I said earlier, but you missed it...
                        the fact is that a freshly settled person without experience cannot receive as much as an experienced specialist receives.
                      3. 0
                        26 September 2022 21: 42
                        It is always sad to meet such an inability to hear and understand the interlocutor, and label him with conclusions drawn from nothing. Talk to yourself, good luck.
                      4. Alf
                        0
                        26 September 2022 21: 48
                        Quote: Tchaikovsky
                        It is always sad to meet such an inability to hear and understand the interlocutor, and label him with conclusions drawn from nothing. Talk to yourself, good luck.

                        Jumping off in time, changing shoes in a jump, is also a talent. Develop it, don't stand still.
    2. +16
      24 September 2022 17: 53
      Especially in comparison with the term for looting. A fighter took a bucket of potatoes (to cook dinner for the unit) from the cellar on the territory of the database - 15 years, but refused to produce waist belts according to the defense order - 4-8 years.
      1. -6
        24 September 2022 18: 07
        it is necessary to work purely business so that Masha does not turn up)
      2. -3
        24 September 2022 18: 44
        What are you talking nonsense? You will be brought under this article ..
      3. man
        +3
        24 September 2022 18: 48
        A fighter took a bucket of potatoes (cook dinner for the unit) from the cellar on the territory of the database - 15 years
        On the other hand, if the museum is robbed, then they will probably get off with a suspended sentence. Everything is like a civilian. Have you managed to watch the old Soviet film, still silent, "The Trial of Three Millions"?
      4. -9
        24 September 2022 19: 53
        Quote: Leshak
        Especially in comparison with the term for looting. A fighter took a bucket of potatoes (to cook dinner for the unit) from the cellar on the territory of the database - 15 years, but refused to produce waist belts according to the defense order - 4-8 years.

        Everything is known in comparison ... during the Second World War for the disruption of the Gulag defense order. And for mortalism he was shot on the spot ...
      5. 0
        24 September 2022 21: 35
        From whom did the fighter take this bucket of potatoes? Maybe the fighter will first think with his head what and from whom he takes. Looting is a robbery of the dead and wounded, maybe not taking potatoes from the dead and wounded? Or is the fighter not fed at all, left to starve? The guys who fought from the Donbass came to us, quite well-fed, they did not look like starving people.
    3. +5
      24 September 2022 18: 30
      • violation (repeated) of the contract under the state defense order will be punished by 4-8 years in prison, and in case of non-fulfillment of the order or damage of more than five million rubles, the punishment will be 5-10 years in prison;

      • Repeated refusal to conclude a contract under the state defense order will now incur criminal liability - imprisonment for a period of 4-8 years.
      I'm more concerned about the lack of confiscation of property. You steal, you will serve two years (udo), or even conditional. Well, where else can you find such a gesheft, if not during the war. Oh SVO.
    4. +3
      24 September 2022 18: 44
      And why would it be strange under Stalin to be shot for the first refusal.
      1. man
        +5
        24 September 2022 19: 04
        And why would it be strange under Stalin to be shot for the first refusal.
        Yes, under Stalin, this could not have occurred to anyone! What about under Stalin, under any general secretary!
        1. -7
          24 September 2022 19: 56
          Yeah ... and in the Gulags only the innocent and criminals were able to wag ...
        2. 0
          24 September 2022 21: 11
          Quote: mann
          with any general secretary!

          I do not agree, Gorbachev was also General Secretary.
          1. man
            0
            24 September 2022 22: 29
            I do not agree, Gorbachev was also General Secretary.
            I hate this bastard, but the truth is more important. And under Gorbachev, it could never have occurred to anyone to refuse to fulfill the defense order.
      2. 0
        24 September 2022 20: 14
        Quote: guest
        And why would it be strange under Stalin to be shot for the first refusal.

        Quote: mann
        And why would it be strange under Stalin to be shot for the first refusal.
        Yes, under Stalin, this could not have occurred to anyone! What about under Stalin, under any general secretary!

        And under Stalin - with that very mother - by 1945 they reduced the percentage of marriage to fantastic figures ... up to 50% !!!
        The armor sheet is normal - the sheet is defective .....
        And something tells me that from defective armor - in the name of the plan !! - they also made tanks ....
        And the pre-war epic with 45mm armor-piercing, when 97% of the shells turned out to be unusable due to a violation of technology ..
        A disruption of the release of anti-aircraft guns.
        Yes, one Zhigarev lie in the EYES of Stalin ...

        So they didn’t shoot, and they persecuted the marriage, and spat on the defense order ...
        Nothing new - all this was already in the Second World War
      3. -1
        24 September 2022 22: 06
        Quote: guest
        And why would it be strange under Stalin to be shot for the first refusal.

        Everyone wants Stalin so much ... And they react strangely to terms for desertion, refusal to serve, refusal to fulfill state defense orders .... a term for looting ... Call on your unreasonable head .. You will have Stalin. With executions, landings, camps, for all the above crimes ... There will be camps for especially talkative and smart bolt bloggers ... There is a time for everything ... The situation in the world and the country is changing at a terrible speed ... Unpredictable .. What lies ahead ? It's scary to look... No. And we all will have to look in .. Who will live there .. Naturally .. As they say, do not tempt fate, otherwise it will test you .. And in Ukraine, and in Russia, and in Europe, and in Israel ... Iran .. Yes, and the United States and China will not sit out ... am ... Save and carry trouble past ...
    5. 0
      26 September 2022 14: 36
      Seems. Must read. And not because of corruption.
      And if the contract cannot be fulfilled for technical reasons?
      Now I'm going to read.
  3. +16
    24 September 2022 17: 43
    looting is punishable by up to 15 years in prison
    Corruption during mobilization will fall under looting?
    1. +17
      24 September 2022 17: 55
      It is necessary to get rid of all slag and freaks:
      If tomorrow Vyacheslav Gladkov, the governor of the Belgorod region - a key region for the NVO and directly bordering on the area of ​​military operations, and the person directly responsible for partial mobilization, arrives in Moscow with a complaint about the formal, thoughtless and frankly bestial attitude towards the presidential decree on the part of the regional military commissar Valeriy Hrytsay, who has lived most of his life in the Kyiv region (where his mother still lives), thanks to whom mobilized and motivated people, firstly, have been sitting at the motorsport complex for the third day without food, sleeping places, service and clear prospects, and the unsystematic enrollment includes even elderly invalids who hardly cling to life - the Office will only support this appeal of the governor.

      This is not even connivance and indifference - this is real wrecking on the part of a person who is obliged to ensure the full staffing of the Russian Army with combat-ready personnel.

      It is necessary to judge nits and extremely seriously. Undermining mobilization = high treason.
      1. +1
        24 September 2022 17: 58
        Innokenty, what does my comment have to do with it?
        1. +3
          24 September 2022 18: 10
          Corruption is always a crime of officials (the subject of the crime). If you were "unnecessarily disturbed" by your comment, then do not blame me (only on the principle of "what does it have to do with it?" the question arises: "what does it have to do with" in your comment - "corruption"?).

          You mentioned corruption. How does the mess that is observed at this military commissar turn out? Where did the soldering and stuff go? Either corruption or sabotage of mobilization.
    2. man
      +5
      24 September 2022 18: 53
      Corruption during mobilization will fall under looting?
      Well, how can you!? "His" power will not touch!
      Excuse my curiosity, but for what purpose are you interested? smile
  4. +24
    24 September 2022 17: 47
    that is, the mobilized guys, who, they didn’t dress, didn’t put on shoes, took away at the training camp what they themselves bought, and threw them into the NVO zone, and they will also be imprisoned if they were captured? Yes, insanity grew stronger, restore order on the ground, Comrade Supreme Commander-in-Chief , equip the mobilized from and to, and then you can also have a term for surrendering, otherwise nonsense ...
    1. -8
      24 September 2022 17: 51
      There were cases when everything was taken away, but no one was thrown into the zone. All cases are checked.
      1. +6
        24 September 2022 17: 57
        I know that there were cases, and I also know how they "supplied" those who were taken away on the 21st, I also know that they took first-aid kits from people who collected them and took them with them, yesterday I was deployed at a training camp in the military registration and enlistment office, until further notice, now wait for the 2nd agenda
      2. +8
        24 September 2022 18: 22
        Quote from Eva Star
        .... In all cases, checks are underway.

        Are you a representative of these inspectors? Or is this just another false statement? I think that the second, but try to refute.
    2. +2
      24 September 2022 17: 52
      Yes, and the operation must already begin for real ...
    3. -1
      24 September 2022 17: 52
      And what's the difference, in the Warrior he voluntarily surrenders as a prisoner or in the old lump-figure?
      1. +1
        24 September 2022 18: 01
        Well, of course, the warrior does not protect from injuries, like a helmet, right? why then did they come up with them at all, invented them?
        1. +1
          24 September 2022 18: 32
          What does the voluntary surrender and responsibility for it and injury, helmet have to do with it?
          1. -1
            24 September 2022 18: 37
            despite the fact that the concept voluntarily requires clarification, for example, the pilot of a downed aircraft captured on enemy territory, voluntarily surrendered? Or was it forced?
            1. +3
              24 September 2022 18: 45
              Registered - voluntary surrender. What are you inventing, snot breed? Secretly left the location, positions, consciously went out to the enemy and voluntarily surrendered. That's what the criminal is for. Not what you write.
              1. -1
                24 September 2022 18: 50
                I don’t mind if so, besides, I’m still on emotions, yesterday I was deployed at the training camp in the military registration and enlistment office
                1. 0
                  24 September 2022 19: 08
                  Everything is on emotions. There have been worse times, they have succumbed. And we'll squeeze it.
                  1. +2
                    24 September 2022 19: 18
                    I don’t argue, I’m very surprised at the turnout on the subpoenas, not many people run, although it’s scary for everyone (I saw yesterday in the eyes, many are scared), and still they go to do their duty, it’s only the nightmare happening at the collection points that angers me (with the selection of personally purchased equipment and medicines, dressings) and the trouble with the supply, I hope this will be corrected
    4. -1
      24 September 2022 17: 59
      Quote: Vitaliy161
      that is, the mobilized guys, who were not dressed, not shod, were taken away at the training camp what they themselves bought and thrown into the NWO zone

      What are they already there?
      1. 0
        24 September 2022 18: 06
        there are those, they left on the 21st, passed the regional commission on the 22nd, signed the papers, today they left presumably near Kherson
        1. 0
          24 September 2022 18: 36
          Quote: Vitaliy161
          presumably left for Kherson today

          Presumably in the training center.
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        2. +2
          24 September 2022 19: 11
          Quote: Vitaliy161
          there are those, they left on the 21st, passed the regional commission on the 22nd, signed the papers, today they left presumably near Kherson

          Lies...
          Complete.
          1. 0
            24 September 2022 19: 27
            that’s why I wrote presumably, because I don’t fully understand how it can be, I just don’t presume to say about complete lies, seeing what happens during mobilization
        3. 0
          24 September 2022 21: 46
          No one will send them immediately to combat operations. Will teach. What the hell are you doing. People did not hold weapons in their hands for many years. No one will send them into battle right away. Nonsense.
    5. +18
      24 September 2022 18: 12
      This is not insanity, but the attitude of this government to the population. We must fight for their interests, and, moreover, only in the way they allow us, a step to the left, a step to the right - it will be as it is written in the article. But they don’t owe us anything - they shouldn’t properly equip soldiers, they shouldn’t bomb Ukraine, they shouldn’t tell the truth about the situation at the front either.
      1. -10
        24 September 2022 18: 30
        What to think about someone who has just registered on the site and immediately scribbles negative long comments about the authorities of the Russian Federation and its armed forces?
        1. -1
          24 September 2022 21: 47
          Ukrainian bots. What else to think. Then they are here.
        2. -1
          24 September 2022 22: 08
          Do you want everything to be on the same tune?
    6. +1
      24 September 2022 18: 16
      mobilized guys, who were not dressed, not shod, were taken away at the training camp what they themselves bought, and thrown into the NVO zone, and will they be imprisoned if they were captured?

      Voluntary surrender is surrender in circumstances where I have an opportunity fight back, not when naked against a tank.
      1. +4
        24 September 2022 18: 19
        so it is necessary to prescribe, naked against a tank is also a voluntary surrender, there is no way to resist if injured, shell-shocked, lack of BC, but with a machine gun against a tank, they can say that he could fight
        1. 0
          24 September 2022 18: 36
          Registered - voluntary surrender. What are you inventing, snot breed? Secretly left the location, positions, consciously went out to the enemy and voluntarily surrendered. That's what the criminal is for. Not what you write.
        2. +2
          24 September 2022 19: 19
          Quote: Vitaliy161
          so it is necessary to prescribe, naked against a tank is also a voluntary surrender, there is no way to resist if injured, shell-shocked, lack of BC, but with a machine gun against a tank, they can say that he could fight
          Anything can happen at the front...
          A speculative case - The platoon holds the defense, all but one soldier died, there was not a scratch on the soldier, but he was shell-shocked by the explosion ...
          An unconscious fighter is taken prisoner ... how then to prove that he was captured NOT voluntarily?? sad
          Each case of capture must be considered separately and not rushed with punishment.
      2. +2
        24 September 2022 18: 26
        when it is possible to resist

        In his opinion, the Russian soldier always has such an opportunity. This is his duty. In my opinion, he already has a flask flowing. To issue such amendments means to be afraid of one's own population. Having a head, a potential mobilized, I think, understands what the state has to do with him. Everything is as usual - there are no rights, only duties and turma. The peacekeeper does not deserve more.
    7. -13
      24 September 2022 18: 24
      certainly! The Supreme Commander must personally tie everyone's shoelaces, restore order in the field (throughout the country), personally ensure and monitor the implementation of all laws ... and of course, personally shoot all corrupt officials / traitors / saboteurs. The dictator, the King with unlimited powers and opportunities!
      Or maybe everyone in his position should conscientiously fulfill his duties? And fight the outrages where he can reach? You see what the military commissar/commander/official is messing with - don't be silent, but do everything possible, according to the law - complaints, applications to the prosecutor's office, fixing and announcing specific outrages in social networks, etc. And if you keep waiting that one Supreme is responsible for everything and is to blame for everything - this, excuse me, is self-elimination from the feasible impact on the surrounding reality ...
      1. 0
        24 September 2022 18: 34
        the army is a system built entirely on one-man command, and then who should ask questions if not the Supreme?
        1. 0
          24 September 2022 18: 54
          FIRST, you need to figure out who in the hierarchy (including the army) acts in the interests of the people, and who is a patriot only in words, but in reality plays along with the enemy. As you know, whoever wants (to work for the country) is looking for an opportunity, and whoever does not want is looking for a reason. Ideal systems (where each official conscientiously performs his official duties) do not exist in real life. There are always conscious saboteurs, and just stupid greedy fools in some positions. But there are also honest people. The only question is what will be the total vector of all taken together ... Well, the opinion that the Supreme is responsible for every screw in the system, and for every sneeze it is necessary to personally ask him "questions" - this is a misunderstanding of real life and inappropriate theorizing. The regimental commander personally leads three battalion commanders, and not two dozen platoon commanders - for there are their company commanders to communicate with platoon commanders ... And Lieutenant Ivanov does not run to Colonel Petrov with his questions, but solves them with his immediate superiors.
        2. 0
          24 September 2022 20: 03
          Did you even serve in the army? And it turns out, in your opinion, if the lieutenant screwed up, then you should immediately complain to the Minister of Defense ... otherwise a purely civilian person can think like that.
          1. 0
            24 September 2022 20: 32
            ok, and who should complain to a 3rd year student who should not be mobilized, but he was awarded the MP, and the military commissar says that studying at a university is not an obstacle to mobilization? maybe a military commissar? but stop, he also said that training is not an obstacle ...
            1. -3
              24 September 2022 20: 55
              Arrive at the point and explain so they say and so they called illegally .... and the president is not a nanny to wipe everyone's snot.
              1. -2
                24 September 2022 21: 16
                at what point, at the regional / regional? but who needs it there? The military enlistment office called, so there can be no mistake
            2. 0
              24 September 2022 21: 57
              There are 3rd year students and forty-year-old uncles ... Now people study in such a way that they get 2-3 higher ones. Continuous learning. And that while he is studying and at the age of 30 and 35 do not touch him, so there will be an eternal inviolable student.
      2. man
        0
        24 September 2022 19: 12
        You see what the military commissar is messing withcommander\ official - do not be silent, but do everything possible, according to the law - complaints, statements to the prosecutor's office, fixing and publicizing specific outrages in social networks, etc.
        Well, you obviously got excited with the commander ... Unless after the execution of the "kosyachny" order ... I can’t even imagine that ...
        1. -3
          24 September 2022 20: 10
          Quote: mann
          Well, you obviously got excited with the commander ...

          Well, why did we have cases .. yes, after following the order, but after contacting a superior officer after the trial, justice was restored.
          1. man
            +1
            24 September 2022 20: 14
            Well, why did we have cases .. yes, after following the order, but after contacting a superior officer after the trial, justice was restored.
            Was it during the fighting?
            1. -2
              24 September 2022 20: 48
              Quote: mann
              Well, why did we have cases .. yes, after following the order, but after contacting a superior officer after the trial, justice was restored.
              Was it during the fighting?

              So the mobilized are not yet at the forefront ...
              1. man
                0
                24 September 2022 22: 23
                So the mobilized are not yet at the forefront ...
                Well, I don’t know ... in the three months of my service as a cadet after the institute, I witnessed two complaints. Both ended in rude insults both to the complainant and, at the same time, to the entire company from the regimental commander smile Moreover, in the presence of the inspector, who provoked these complaints smile But it was in the 80th year, back in the Soviet army. I was offended, because the quality "do not knock!" ever since my own mother, after I, an honest Octobrist, laid a classmate on a teacher, she called me Stakhovich! smile
                By the way, later it turned out that Stakhovich (Tretyakevich) did not betray the Young Guard.
    8. -2
      24 September 2022 18: 28
      And how will voluntary surrender or coercion be assessed? Did not shoot himself - a criminal?
      1. -3
        24 September 2022 18: 39
        But never once in captivity, a traitor to the Motherland. 10 secured. Nothing changes.
        1. 0
          24 September 2022 18: 51
          Well, if the Motherland is waging a holy war, for its cities and villages, repelling the aggression of the bourgeois world, then yes. And so - brush. And, by the way, no one needs to be changed, why are they "traitors" needed. Kum is already at home.
          1. +2
            24 September 2022 18: 59
            Yes, you are right, if the situation is like in 41 near Moscow, then yes, you and the dead are obliged to fight, but now with your bodies to correct the mistakes of politicians, and it’s not clear why. Too many unanswered questions.
            1. -7
              24 September 2022 20: 06
              Quote: ALARI
              Yes, you are right, if the situation is like in 41 near Moscow, then yes, you and the dead are obliged to fight, but now with your bodies to correct the mistakes of politicians, and it’s not clear why. Too many unanswered questions.

              So the ongoing referendum is not clear what?
              1. -2
                24 September 2022 20: 23
                Mexico will want to return Texas by referendum and will there be all the rules there, are the Mexicans already in the majority? The United States, of course, is the expression of the people. Or Spain and Catalonia?
                1. -2
                  24 September 2022 20: 50
                  Quote: ALARI
                  Mexico will want to return Texas by referendum and will there be all the rules there, are the Mexicans already in the majority? The United States, of course, is the expression of the people. Or Spain and Catalonia?

                  Are you unable to answer a direct question?
                  1. -2
                    24 September 2022 22: 31
                    I answered either directly or indirectly, it is not clear what. Part of the territory or from the rightful owner or
                    from whom, decide for yourself what is being carried out, and the war is in full swing. How not to get into trouble later. Kharkov remembers.
              2. 0
                24 September 2022 20: 36
                Annexation usually occurs after a victory and a peace treaty, where it is negotiated to whom and how much. No matter how the traditions of wars do not need to be broken soldier
              3. 0
                24 September 2022 22: 11
                A signal to other territories that joined without asking people's opinions. A signal that this is possible and nothing will happen for it. Do not recognize? Don't give a shit. Other countries are closely watching and adopting experience. There may be others wishing to hold their own referendum.
        2. +2
          24 September 2022 19: 26
          Quote: ALARI
          But never once in captivity, a traitor to the Motherland. 10 secured. Nothing changes.
          To tighten the laws - you need to start DECLARATION WAR on Ukraine - and stop pumping gas through the GTS of Ukraine ...
          sad
          1. 0
            24 September 2022 19: 48
            I also do not understand, if it is already clear that everyone will go to the end, why the NWO and not the war for liberation. Well, the icing on the cake is gas trading with weapon suppliers to enemies.
  5. +5
    24 September 2022 17: 50
    damage to military property
    And if we retreat like in Kharkov? Maybe they abandoned the T90m for this, since nothing is really spelled out
    looting is punishable by up to 15 years in prison
    War trophies are looting?)
    You need to write better.
    Now so many people will pour in. Vsu-shnikov will loot to the fullest.
    1. +4
      24 September 2022 17: 58
      taking into account the supply of the mobilized, it will be happiness to loot the armor and helmet
    2. man
      +1
      24 September 2022 19: 19
      War trophies are looting?)
      If golden pistols or a tank encrusted with diamonds, then yes smile
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  6. +1
    24 September 2022 17: 51
    Well, now it will go wassat Discussion. fellow
    1. +1
      24 September 2022 18: 26
      I'm ready to go 50+ wife too, write off the mortgage and let's go!
      1. +5
        24 September 2022 18: 42
        Whether you want to go or not, you can even take not only your wife but also a cat with you.
        And I can’t write off your mortgage, you didn’t take it from me hi
        1. +2
          24 September 2022 18: 58
          I’ll leave the cat for you and give you food, it’s good that you answered!
        2. man
          +1
          24 September 2022 19: 30
          Whether you want to go or not, you can even take not only your wife but also a cat with you.
          No, a cat can only be taken if he has the necessary military registration specialty smile
          Put a smiley just in case smile
          1. +2
            24 September 2022 19: 40
            Calling a cat a mukhtar might work. wink
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  8. -4
    24 September 2022 17: 55
    All right, pro-Putin patriots, your way out! Let's volunteer to put out the Ukrainian Natsiks! Fast, fast...!
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      1. +1
        24 September 2022 18: 39
        Are you talking about yourself? You have been marked here for a long time. And the more you write, the more negatively they react to you.
      2. 0
        24 September 2022 20: 04
        slept, tsipsoshnik september

        But I didn’t hide ... And why aren’t you at the military commissariat yet? Let's immediately go there to destroy the ukronatsiks! :))
  9. +2
    24 September 2022 17: 59
    The correct decision, in the distant 80s in peacetime, for the loss of some kind of bullshit from the ZAS equipment, threatened from two years of disbat to a criminal offense. They hung such a thing on me, used it twice in divisional exercises. All the time it was in stock. I can say, heavy bastard and shove it into the armored personnel carrier not to drop that circus, otherwise: in vain the old woman is waiting for her son home. But they managed.
    1. 0
      24 September 2022 21: 32
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The correct decision, in the distant 80s in peacetime, for the loss of some kind of bullshit from the ZAS equipment, threatened from two years of disbat to a criminal offense. They hung such a thing on me, used it twice in divisional exercises. All the time it was in stock. I can say, heavy bastard and shove it into the armored personnel carrier not to drop that circus, otherwise: in vain the old woman is waiting for her son home. But they managed.


      Managed, in the sense of the CIA was handed over? Ay, youngster ... and without pale so ...
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  11. +1
    24 September 2022 18: 02
    • Those who voluntarily surrendered will face imprisonment for a term of 3 to 10 years;

    What does it mean? Is a soldier obliged to blow himself up with a grenade in a hopeless situation or to call fire on himself?
    If the enemy somehow captures a conditional position, and the opposing side, for example, does not have ammunition capable of fighting forces, support will not have time there, etc. Unclear.
    1. -10
      24 September 2022 18: 09
      order 227 of the Supreme did not read))?
    2. +4
      24 September 2022 18: 14
      What does it mean?

      Surrender under duress (if there is nothing to fight with and a machine gun is pointed at you) is not a voluntary surrender.
      1. +2
        24 September 2022 18: 19
        This is all clear, the nuance is different, how do you prove that it was surrender under duress, and not voluntary?
        1. +5
          24 September 2022 18: 29
          Nothing new.
          There is a constitution with the presumption of innocence. Only people for some reason are obliged to prove their innocence, because guilt is already a priori provided.
        2. +3
          24 September 2022 18: 48
          the nuance is different, how do you prove that it was a surrender under duress, and not voluntary?

          The tribunal must prove guilt, and not you your innocence ... Although the desire to laugh is what it means for 30 years the country has been preparing lawyers instead of soldiers. lol
          We are discussing how to properly surrender, go nuts.
          1. +1
            24 September 2022 19: 29
            We're not discussing how to give up. God forbid everyone not to get into such situations. We are discussing the absurdity of how this paragraph is voiced and spelled out. After all, if you do not pay attention to the introduction of such things, this can be used to introduce more unpleasant points, without justification and nuances. So far, this is cause for concern.
            And at the time of mobilization, such news must be conveyed to the masses very carefully, people are already nervous.
          2. -2
            24 September 2022 20: 16
            Oh how ... what amusing reasoning. Any official is significant, and if he is from EP, then this is a priori guilty without any evidence ... they say, they decided that the sign is true ... and for everyone else, this court with the prosecutor must prove guilt ...)))))
        3. man
          0
          24 September 2022 19: 46
          This is all clear, the nuance is different, how do you prove that it was surrender under duress, and not voluntary?
          Apparently they think that it is necessary to ask the one who set the machine to write a certificate of coercion
        4. 0
          24 September 2022 20: 30
          This is all clear, the nuance is different, how do you prove that it was surrender under duress, and not voluntary?

          I am not obliged to prove anything, this is the task of the prosecution.
    3. 0
      24 September 2022 20: 24
      You know how to read, or the Unified State Examination student "voluntarily" surrender.
  12. -19
    24 September 2022 18: 04
    Very well, I am glad to see how the great Tsar Putin is restoring discipline.
    1. man
      +3
      24 September 2022 19: 59
      Very well, I am glad to see how the great Tsar Putin is restoring discipline.
      I would start with friends...
  13. +5
    24 September 2022 18: 05
    And at the same time, everyone who does not want to mobilize and who has money - that is, Jews, homosexuals, liberals and other urgent patriots - can freely leave in all four directions, sit out in conditional Israel and return when they want, without incurring any responsibility .
    And all the rest will either go to the NWO zone, or simply to the zone.
    1. +4
      24 September 2022 18: 41
      Yes, officials and their relatives will very willingly go to the NVO zone ...
  14. -3
    24 September 2022 18: 16
    And who will determine voluntarily surrendered or not?
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  16. +8
    24 September 2022 18: 18
    But negligence, criminal orders, irresponsibility, sloppiness ..., no, ordinary Ivanov is to blame for everything - the term. Our command is sacred, it can only change the position.
  17. +1
    24 September 2022 18: 23
    And what will be punished more severely: damage and destruction of military property under the threat of its capture by the enemy, or its surrender just the same in good condition, as the T-90M was handed over? If it's the same, then there's no point in bothering with the destruction, because what's the matter, what is it to sit like that.
    And what are the criteria for voluntariness / non-voluntariness when surrendering? Right now, Ukraine welcomes the Azov people exchanged for godfather as heroes. Would we put them in?
    1. +3
      24 September 2022 18: 30
      I already wrote about this that the value system is completely different.
      Ukrainian prisoners are heroes, and returning Russian prisoners will be under suspicion.
  18. +3
    24 September 2022 18: 23
    Not the president, but the commissar of all Russia! Put things in order in the Kremlin!
    1. 0
      24 September 2022 18: 37
      What are you, the guarantor is all at work. Look how many motivating decrees he issued. Day and night he works tirelessly. Defenders of the Motherland should be proud of the honor of being packed in zinc, if not, then the place in the zone is reserved.
    2. 0
      24 September 2022 20: 31
      Put things in order in your EU, have you already dug up the bunker? If not, then dig.
    3. 0
      24 September 2022 20: 44
      Yes, everything seems to be fine there anyway - none of its inhabitants complains ... Yes
  19. -4
    24 September 2022 18: 39
    Watching all the movements of the wrestlers, there is a suspicion that they are deliberately provoking a booze. Something all thoughtless and clumsy. 300 thousand guardsmen is, of course, serious, but in a war it is fraught. RI stood for centuries, disappeared, and this is only thirty. Khodorkovskys and Kasparovs, as well as respected people who are not allowed to the pipe, are always at a low start.
  20. -2
    24 September 2022 18: 39
    Quote from gunnady
    We must fight for their interests

    Tell me, is this special operation (or war, whatever) - is it only in THEIR (elite) interests, or in ours too? (I just want to understand your position)
  21. -5
    24 September 2022 18: 40
    Well, that is, shell shock, lost consciousness, woke up in captivity, and then in captivity they will record on camera that he surrendered voluntarily? Or now the soldier has one way - to blow himself up with a grenade? In war, situations are different and sometimes there is no other way out except for captivity
  22. 0
    24 September 2022 18: 46
    The scumbags arrested for participating in protests against mobilization, which led to devastation and brawls, this scum should be sent to the front, to penal battalions, to areas of greater danger.
    1. 0
      24 September 2022 19: 00
      this scum must be sent to the front
      so there they are also effectively are used by those "thanks" to whom mobilization was required. This resource will be exhausted, the second wave of mobilization will begin. The reason is not in the protesters, but in the ability to manage the available human and technical resources.
    2. +1
      24 September 2022 20: 39
      I fully support, but according to the law it is impossible. There is one good place for education, FJI, the island of Alexandra Land.
  23. +1
    24 September 2022 18: 48
    The laws of the whip were adopted promptly and against their own people. You do not trust and give weapons to people, why are you calling? And what kind of gingerbread did you prepare for the mobilized, besides money? Nothing. But a madhouse already in the military registration and enlistment office begins after the agenda, people become ABSOLUTELY powerless, some kind of horde and not an army.
  24. -6
    24 September 2022 18: 52
    or another great example, the pilot flew out on a mission, was shot down, fell on enemy territory. What choice will he have? Or shoot or be captured and then sit down?
  25. +2
    24 September 2022 19: 01
    Quote from Drleavesee
    And who will determine voluntarily surrendered or not?

    Special department. Check the data they have with the testimony of all involved and not involved. A single database of information will be created. Now there are no difficulties in this as it was 41-45. And then on trial? No. Again in the trench. Se-la-vie.
  26. +2
    24 September 2022 19: 05
    Why is there no criminal liability for those who supply gas and gasoline to the enemy?
    1. Alf
      +4
      24 September 2022 19: 38
      Quote: Gardamir
      Why is there no criminal liability for those who supply gas and gasoline to the enemy?

      Because they supply all this not to the enemy, but to partners. You don't cut the party's politics?
  27. +3
    24 September 2022 19: 10
    Abramovich gave beautiful iPhones to British mercenaries who killed, burned and robbed the inhabitants of Donbass and Lugansk, were taken prisoner, and then went on vacation to Turkey on Abramovich's private plane.
    1. +2
      24 September 2022 21: 27
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Abramovich gave beautiful iPhones to British mercenaries who killed, burned and robbed the inhabitants of Donbass and Lugansk, were taken prisoner, and then went on vacation to Turkey on Abramovich's private plane.


      So for the godfather, nothing is a pity.
  28. -3
    24 September 2022 19: 26
    voluntarily surrendered to prison awaits imprisonment for a term of 3 to 10 years

    This is already something in the spirit of the legendary order 227...

    In general, "voluntary surrender" is a quite definite concept, and it should be qualified as a surrender at a time when nothing threatens life and health. That is, in other words, a defector ... but local excesses in our country are the most common thing. Therefore, the authorities should explain this point separately to people. Because without detailed explanations, people will obviously feel uncomfortable from this point!
  29. -3
    24 September 2022 19: 35
    However, quickly! BUT IT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE A BALO IMMEDIATELY in a place with an order for mobilization !!
  30. +1
    24 September 2022 19: 48
    Fiercely. What to say?
    Maybe our directors have finally been shacked up?!
    And let people work normally?
    What do you think?!.
    After all, except for the word sabotage, nothing comes to the head! :hi
    The plant is rushing back and forth ... There is no understanding where we are rushing ..
    When this throwing is over...
  31. -3
    24 September 2022 20: 25
    I read the comments - many here are very interested in: HOW it will be determined whether he voluntarily surrendered or not voluntarily ("And how will voluntary surrender or coercion be assessed? Did not shoot himself - a criminal?") I don’t understand something: you, comrades, haven’t watched enough videos about the attitude towards our prisoners on the other side? I’m talking not only about the video where the knees of prisoners are shot through, etc., but also about the stories of those who were lucky enough to return from Ukrainian captivity - how they were mocked, tortured, how brutally they killed other prisoners in front of them. Our Yurochka Podolyaka somehow denied castration and called it rumors, but the doctors I know confirm this information. And now someone after that is still relevant surrender laws?
    1. 0
      24 September 2022 20: 43
      Yes, everyone has seen, heard and knows, and therefore the questions are that sometimes they are captured in a blackout, shell-shocked, etc., and how then to prove that you are not a sheep (you didn’t voluntarily fold your paws)?
      1. -3
        24 September 2022 21: 06
        Yes, I’m also saying that this paragraph about captivity does not make much sense at all now - there are few who want something ... It seems like just a formality. Or - protection against indisputable cases - when leaving the entrusted equipment and raising a white rag ... but I don’t think that such cases have been in recent months (after the information about the massacre of prisoners became well known).
        For all that, such a law is more relevant - especially against the backdrop of such chic amnesties even for war criminals. I don’t know how they will now explain that they don’t surrender to the Russians after all (it has already been reported about the welded hatches on the tank - maybe a duck, but on topic ...)
  32. 0
    24 September 2022 20: 32
    What are the morals of society, such are the orders ....... Horror pitch.
  33. +2
    24 September 2022 20: 59
    Quote: your1970
    and they drove the marriage, and spit on the defense order

    spat ... Remind me who then stood at the machines and for how many hours a day, instead of the men who went to the front? And what nutritional standards did they have, unlike the front-line soldiers? How did you lose consciousness in the workplace?
    By the way, there was a case indicative (I read it in my memoirs, I don’t remember which of the veteran pilots): when the evil flyers (special commission) arrived at the aircraft factory to punish those who “drive marriage” and saw emaciated 14-year-old boys, then .. instead of punishment, they simply told them Thank you for their feasible work ... (well, the marriage was already eliminated in the field, everything was ...)
    1. 0
      24 September 2022 21: 49
      Tired of this hypocrisy and stinking slyness. As I understand it, the comparison with the VO war is what is happening now to the highest degree vile.
      1. -1
        24 September 2022 22: 55
        the stench is coming from you. But I didn’t do comparisons, but only reported for VO, nothing more. If the comparison seemed - then there are problems with reading comprehension.
  34. +3
    24 September 2022 21: 24
    The feeling does not leave the feeling that one day Putin will sign a decree, according to which he himself will be imprisoned. Dialectic... its mother there...
  35. 0
    24 September 2022 22: 19
    responsibility for crimes during hostilities is, of course, a necessary thing. I understand. I don’t understand what to fight for. I was told there is no money, but you hold on, I’ll go into retirement after my death. The state doesn’t owe anything to children, so study costs are a problem for their parents .well, and so on, a lot of all sorts of charms ... the state supports bankers, oligarchs. and something tells me that I won’t see the children of bankers and other aces at the front. Like the bankers themselves. I care about what to fight for, and not the responsibility of cowardly deviators. and after the war, I’m interested in who will be responsible for the fact that we are at war with the West on our territory with part of our people
    1. +3
      24 September 2022 23: 00
      both are needed. And responsibility for crimes during hostilities, and cleaning the authorities from crap (owners of foreign fortunes and kids in Mercedes with foreign citizenship). Yes, the second one sucks. Which can't help but upset.
      1. Alf
        0
        25 September 2022 19: 27
        Quote: NAF-NAF
        Yes, the second one sucks.

        Of course it sucks. Will the government fight itself?
        1. 0
          25 September 2022 21: 11
          Quote: Alf
          Will the government fight itself?

          I don’t like the word “power” at all - its use creates the impression that there is some kind of single group with some of its own goals. While there are different forces in power, with different and conflicting interests. So: not "with itself", but one grouping must overcome the other. How once (a hundred years ago) in our country, Stalin's supporters defeated the Trotskyists (moreover, ideologically - through an open discussion about what kind of society to build next - after the USSR fought off external intervention). Well, how much can one understand about what was happening then in the leadership of the country, if both of them are summarized in one word "power"?
          1. Alf
            0
            25 September 2022 21: 47
            Quote: NAF-NAF
            and one faction must overcome the other.

            The ER fraction in the HD is 72%. That is, everything that comes from the State Duma is the will of United Russia.
            Everything that EP has done with Russia, we see outside the window. And you say that one faction must overcome the other? What?
            1. 0
              25 September 2022 22: 05
              Quote: Alf
              And you say that one faction must overcome the other?

              where?? where did I mention the word "fraction"? EdRo is neither good nor bad; this is tool. There will be more parasites there - and the total vector of their actions will be anti-people (now closer to this); there will be more creators / patriots there - and the same party as a whole will act for the good of the country. Here you are: do you see a huge difference between different deputies from the United Russia? Some - for the further parasitism of the West on Russia (although in words they can mow down like patriots); others are for getting out of this colonial dependence. And we are all of them - in one word "edrisnya", one size fits all ...
              So that there is no further misunderstanding: I would like the totality of representatives of the authorities (do not care what factions!), who are FOR Russia's withdrawal from subordination to the West, to defeat (removed from office by any means) those who want to preserve Russia as a colony and free supplier of resources to the West (where they have an alternate airfield in the form of accounts, real estate, dual citizenship). Something like this...
              1. Alf
                0
                25 September 2022 22: 40
                Quote: NAF-NAF
                Some - for the further parasitism of the West on Russia (although in words they can mow down as patriots); others are for getting out of this colonial dependence.

                We don't have different currents. EP party of big capital. And he has one goal - profit. For 30 years this party has been living and the goal has not changed, and then suddenly they became populists? Show me at least one United Russia party that doesn't have an alternate airfield there.
                1. -1
                  26 September 2022 07: 58
                  Yes, not currents, but each person has his own goals.
                  And profit is what 99% of the working population (and not working, too) are concerned about. Every day we see around us taxi drivers, plumbers, builders, representatives of any business - and they have everyone has The only goal is profit. Where can you find others now?
                  And they didn’t become populists, but they are fighting for the liberation of Russia from external control (this is good for the domestic bourgeoisie, and for the people - that is, the goals coincide with the people, yes). Are you asking for an example? please: deputy from the United Russia Evgeny Alekseevich Fedorov. Consistently (for twenty years now) he has been actively involved in this direction (educational, legislative initiatives, etc.). There is no alternate airfield.
                  1. Alf
                    0
                    26 September 2022 20: 14
                    Quote: NAF-NAF
                    (this is good for domestic bourgeoisie, and for the people - that is, the goals coincide with the people, yes

                    Let's imagine a situation. Foreigners kicked out, what will change? Domestic bourgeois will immediately begin to pay normal salaries to workers? Build houses for them? Stop taking the loot over the hill? Build hospitals and schools?
                    Quote: NAF-NAF
                    Deputy from United Russia Evgeny Alekseevich Fedorov. Consistently (for twenty years) has been actively involved in this direction (educational, legislative initiatives

                    He proposed a progressive income tax? Did he oppose an increase in the retirement age? Because the capitalist becomes national, his essence will not change.
                    A couple of years ago I was given an internship. His dad in Togliatti keeps production for the production of rims. Well, we were talking about this and that. And it turned out that each member of his family has his own car, two houses. And he pays the workers a lot, he says. He has one pro who can and does work for a CNC turner, if there is no work, he gets on a CNC milling machine, he can replace the technologist and his dad pays him a lot. It was in 2018. When I asked, a lot, how much is it? He honestly answered 30-35. That is, a person working for three received thirty and it was considered a lot. And when I suggested to my father that he moderate his income in order to increase the salary for hard workers, I saw sincere bewilderment in the eyes of this heir. And in this case, there is no foreign control over his dad. And you keep thinking that the capitalist CAM will decide to cut his income in order to pay more workers? Well, well, blessed are those who believe ..

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