“Finally, our rear will be put in order”: State Duma deputy announced the appointment of General Mizintsev as the new Deputy Minister of Defense

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“Finally, our rear will be put in order”: State Duma deputy announced the appointment of General Mizintsev as the new Deputy Minister of Defense

A statement appeared on the network made by a deputy of the State Duma of Russia, Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev. Former Commander of the 5th Guards tank division says that there have been certain reshuffles in the top leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

According to the parliamentarian, a decision was made at the highest level to appoint Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev as Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation for Logistics. Until now, he headed the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation.



If you believe the data of Andrei Gurulev (and there are no special reasons not to believe), then General Mizintsev becomes a man who replaces General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov as Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics. He has been in this position since 2008.
Mikhail Mizintsev turned 10 on September 60, Dmitry Bulgakov is almost 8 years older.

Andrey Gurulyov positively assesses this kind of appointment.

MP:

I congratulated Mikhail Mizintsev on his appointment. I have been waiting for this for a long time and I am incredibly happy about it. Misha is smart. Finally, our rear will be put in order. Finally, we will not go around and be ashamed that we are missing something.

At the same time, General Gurulev said that he did not have good words for the now former Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics.

Video with words Andrey Gurulyov is published by military commander Alexander Sladkov.
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    1. +31
      24 September 2022 12: 50
      What was - they saw, what will be - not everyone will have to see!
      1. SSR
        +88
        24 September 2022 13: 01
        Quote: marchcat
        What was - they saw, what will be - not everyone will have to see!

        Yat, military commissars in the field, according to Lavrov! The guys are mobilized, they take additional equipment with them, and the idiot bureaucrats, they select them on the spot with the words - it’s not allowed.
        I consider it necessary to make a separate set of mobilized from the military registration and enlistment offices and headquarters.
        This is not a joke.
        Fucking bureaucrats, some of whom should be equated with saboteurs and pests.
        1. +16
          24 September 2022 13: 11
          Selects the VP at the assembly point after the raid. The military registration and enlistment office has nothing to do with it, there are their own jambs.
          1. SSR
            +42
            24 September 2022 13: 18
            Quote: Azis
            Selects the VP at the assembly point after the raid. The military registration and enlistment office has nothing to do with it, there are their own jambs.

            Yes. Both those and others, having farted their pants and epaulettes, mow.
            Gotta shake them up.
            Military registration and enlistment offices on the ground, such a sabbath was arranged in the zeal to fulfill the order, a colleague has a specialty ala special in radio electronics, but he did not see her in the frontier. They called me, I went, I didn’t fight with words, now I’ll master and fight.
            Our men are Heroes, they walk silently and with the understanding that this infection cannot be left to our children to disentangle.
            1. +14
              24 September 2022 13: 34
              my comrade served urgently in Vladik, at a shipyard, a welder. And some kind of doll in the military registration and enlistment office, on a military ticket, "a welder of coastal missile systems" wrote to him. when I saw this record, I laughed to tears. He did not object, tea is not a work book.
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              2. +22
                24 September 2022 13: 50
                Quote: vadivm59
                my comrade served urgently in Vladik, at a shipyard, a welder. And some kind of doll in the military registration and enlistment office, on a military ticket, "a welder of coastal missile systems" wrote to him. when I saw this record, I laughed to tears. He did not object, tea is not a work book.


                The same nesting doll wrote to me "Senior operator of a long-range anti-aircraft missile" belay . I'm scratching my turnips now recourse in case of a nix, to cling to the tail or to saddle like that ?! request bully
                1. +4
                  24 September 2022 22: 45
                  The tourniquet is not childish, the husband's sister in the military profession is a cook-musician))
              3. +9
                24 September 2022 14: 17
                Do they make a record of the VUS in a military unit, or did you command matryoshkas?
                1. +10
                  24 September 2022 14: 52
                  I have written an engineer-sapper platoon a crane driver and I didn’t have a driver’s license and still don’t have it
                2. +4
                  24 September 2022 15: 04
                  I had a recording from the VUS unit: Gunner NTOT.
                  Many people know what it is?
                  Everyone thought the gunner, but not that one.
                3. +8
                  24 September 2022 15: 33
                  In the military unit, when I was transferred to the reserve from military service + an annual contract, the chief of staff apparently wrote anything ... I served on Rapiers as a rangefinder with a decision maker, a reconnaissance operator with a compass, and during retraining on the D-30, at the end of the contract, they tried to make me a calculator (it didn’t work out very well, I won’t lie) ... But, on my military ID, VUS 605 is written (KSHM commander). I read the transcript of the VUS on the Internet at the beginning of this week in the light of recent events, and before that, I somehow didn’t bother ... We had a BUAR unit in the regiment, consisting of guys with higher education, who preferred to serve as a conscript for a year, and not two years with a jacket ... So they "rummaged" in these computing tablets and everything else, purely mathematical ... They drove to the PRP, they had a KShM ... So I think, well, they will call me tomorrow as an artilleryman with combat experience. And, it seems, there is experience, but my own, not KShMny. And personally, with the help of Kalashnikov, I had to fight back ... But, as I already wrote, I’m not the commander of the KShM, I’ll remember Bussol at most, I’ll deal with the LPR, I remember, the projectile, in extreme cases, I’ll load the gun and shoot towards the enemy, I remember where - which lever to pull, but I won’t point it exactly - they didn’t teach this, their gunners were ...
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2022 06: 28
                    After the artillery school, the officer, if he will, will teach everything what data is needed to enter the main direction for targets into the FPU, how to enter azimuths for targets into the FPU with the correction of the angle between the magnetic needle of the compass and the elevation angle of the target between the geographical north on the map and the magnetic compass needle (because the axis the rotation of the earth and the magnetic pole, which is constantly moving towards the south - it is not the same point and every year it has a new meaning) the range and corrections for weather data are for the D-30 howitzer and for the 100 mm rapier it is for direct fire and all this is not necessary
                4. +3
                  24 September 2022 18: 44
                  in the army, on a military ticket, they wrote "a specialist in airborne combat vehicles - a senior driver." and vetievato.and I don’t think that they took a ticket to the unit in order to change the entry))) then they didn’t write VUS numbers, so some kind of girl wrote. p.12 in the military card.
                5. +1
                  24 September 2022 22: 24
                  This is for those who served, and who after the university and courses? Or did not serve at all, the record is still there.
                6. 0
                  25 September 2022 01: 21
                  Quote: kenig1
                  Do they make a record of the VUS in a military unit, or did you command matryoshkas?

                  belay And where did you see that I wrote something about the military registration and enlistment office ???!!!
                7. +1
                  25 September 2022 05: 02
                  VUS military registration and enlistment office can change. Sometimes after fees. And sometimes just like that. Here completes the military registration and enlistment office a certain part. And with an overabundance or lack of specialists in higher educational institutions, they can give the devil knows what.
                  When did our army focus on someone's skills, knowledge and desires? Don't go Israel.
                  1. 0
                    25 September 2022 09: 21
                    Quote: mmaxx
                    VUS military registration and enlistment office can change.

                    I was a VUS military commissar and drew ... the commander of the department of drivers-chemist ...
                    1. 0
                      25 September 2022 16: 10
                      Yes, and I have somehow changed. The truth is close. But somehow I have already been removed from the register for 3 years.
            2. +2
              24 September 2022 14: 13
              So it seems like they make such a record in parts? At least I had a record during my service. What position in the state I had was and is worth it. Served in 95-97.
              1. ada
                +1
                24 September 2022 23: 37
                The military commissar or the head of the department of the VC for administrative division has the right to make changes to military registration documents if there are grounds.
              2. +1
                25 September 2022 05: 04
                Yes, easily. A man served in the Navy. And then the military registration and enlistment office is responsible for some kind of land division. Let the taperich man be a shooter. Although he can be a cool specialist in energy or something.
                1. -2
                  25 September 2022 06: 58
                  How can the military registration and enlistment office be responsible for any division, is it the Ministry of Defense? A military ID is kept on hand, how can a military enlistment office change an account in it?
                  1. +1
                    25 September 2022 08: 37
                    The military commissariat needs to staff the unit. You lived somewhere like Vladivostok, served yourself in the Navy. And then they moved. And then become a shooter. No one will take you to the fleet. And the fleet has dwindled. Nowhere to put you. Changed everything. There will be someone there to ask you. They will call for verification of documents and slap a new VUS.
              3. +1
                25 September 2022 16: 15
                Anything happens. If, for example, the driver, so you can not change. Shooter or the like. And there is some kind of clerk in the combat unit. And where is it? They rely on part 1-2. The rest will be rewritten by the VUS. This is if there were any preparations for something. Or maybe you live in such a place that no one needs that military registration and enlistment office and its conscripts. So you will be a sailor in some godforsaken Yakut village.
            3. 0
              25 September 2022 00: 36
              Heroes would ask where the bombing of bridges and roads through which the enemy receives ammunition and equipment.
              And what will the new soldiers lead to if new ammunition is freely brought to the enemy.
            4. 0
              26 September 2022 11: 47
              Military registration and enlistment offices on the ground, they arranged such a coven in zeal execute an order

              Everything is much worse. They NEVER worked in the conditions of mobilization and were sure that they would not have to. Now, when the order came, they instantly realized that they were not ready and something had to be done. And INSTEAD of sitting down with the deputies to think and issue orders, they began to rush about senselessly in the modern language TO ROCK. Thank God it's not at the front. But conclusions must be drawn.
        2. +11
          24 September 2022 13: 49
          Quote from S.S.R.
          Yat, military commissars in the field, according to Lavrov! The guys are mobilized, they take additional equipment with them, and the idiot bureaucrats, they select them on the spot with the words - it’s not allowed.

          But these guys didn’t serve in the army, since they don’t know how things are done there and what is the attitude towards those called up usually? Adequate and knowledgeable people go to the army in the sense that it’s not a pity to give away, and only when they get into the unit, having learned what and how, they decide whether it’s worth taking expensive equipment carefully stored at home through relatives and friends or not.
          1. SSR
            +7
            24 September 2022 14: 08
            Quote: Obliterator
            Quote from S.S.R.
            Yat, military commissars in the field, according to Lavrov! The guys are mobilized, they take additional equipment with them, and the idiot bureaucrats, they select them on the spot with the words - it’s not allowed.

            But these guys didn’t serve in the army, since they don’t know how things are done there and what is the attitude towards those called up usually? Adequate and knowledgeable people go to the army in the sense that it’s not a pity to give away, and only when they get into the unit, having learned what and how, they decide whether it’s worth taking expensive equipment carefully stored at home through relatives and friends or not.

            When you go on an urgent basis, you take rubbish, when you go to the real deal, you take what can come in handy. It can be carefully conveyed, but when it is already on the front end, it is difficult and again, this is a bunch of unnecessary gestures. I am a supporter of the optimal waste of effort, money and time.
            1. 0
              24 September 2022 14: 17
              Quote from S.S.R.
              When you go on an urgent basis, you take rubbish, when you go to the real deal, you take what can come in handy. It can be carefully conveyed, but when it is already on the front end, it is difficult and again, this is a bunch of unnecessary gestures. I am a supporter of the optimal waste of effort, money and time.

              It is unlikely that they will take it to the front right away. Well, as for the attitude as to conscripts, you need to be prepared for this, and once again not to shine with a deficit and non-statutory. Who is the smartest is the one who bought himself just the authorized set of VKBO. Here they are unlikely to be undressed.
            2. +1
              25 September 2022 01: 32
              Quote from S.S.R.
              It can be carefully conveyed, but when it is already on the front end, it is difficult and again, this is a bunch of unnecessary gestures. I am a supporter of the optimal waste of effort, money and time.

              I am a supporter of the creation of a separate consolidated unit for employees of military registration and enlistment offices who imagine themselves to have caught luck by the tail and look down on those called up. Donbass is waiting! ... I won’t swear, we don’t stand humiliation from the site because of these rear SOK!
          2. +10
            24 September 2022 21: 43
            There are fat-assed women in the military registration and enlistment offices. For his colleague, he took a certificate for the Burdenko hospital. With such scandals, horror. But these are berries ... In 1991, he was on vacation after military service, he came to his parents, from where he had left for school 8 years before. At 10 am the doorbell rings. Some man with his aunt and a police sergeant are standing. They asked me (does such and such live here?). I say here I am. What started here. It turns out I'm a dodger and they caught me. And I have less than half a year left to a drop (in the crew, the ranks go faster). Showed ID. You should have seen their faces. And after all, this military registration and enlistment office sent them to the school, issued directions, requirements, travel cards, etc. discharged. The head of the military registration and enlistment office probably also ticked himself off for involving young people in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces ... I recently read a story about how a young decorated officer, after being wounded on vacation, was taken to the military registration and enlistment office. Not surprising at all. By the way, after a decent number of years, being already in the reserve, I crossed paths with the head of this military registration and enlistment office (he was also already "in a jacket"). They even interacted quite closely. Well, he's a student. Called, stayed. He rose to the rank of colonel in this structure, but he never was in the fields and troops. They cook in their own juice. Solid pieces of paper, reports, etc. I got the impression - a swamp.
          3. 0
            25 September 2022 04: 51
            Times are not peaceful. It is not known where and how you will end up. And can you still get what you need.
            And the selection of things is a banal theft. And for conscripts too. Do not need anything. There is a criminal code.
            With leathering, even among officers we have criminal concepts.
            Let's take an example. From the times when he served. What is written in the Charter? BUT? Personal belongings are handed over and sent home to the called one. Or they are stored until the end of the service and issued back. Who has ever seen this in their life? Our officers are the very first violators of one of the very first articles of the very first Charter. The bolt was placed on top. The charter is not for them, but for subordinates.
            Personally, I myself was simply robbed, and by officers. To hell with her, with every little thing. But I was left without extra points. And their soldiers are not supposed to be supplied in the army. Everything was just stolen. Then they gave away only a soldier. Even the Komsomol ticket is gone. Since then, I have ceased to be a member of the Komsomol))).
            1. 0
              25 September 2022 15: 20
              A lot also depends on the leadership. We didn't have that kind of thing. I'll tell you, we didn't even have an anniversary. There was mentoring. Sailors in the 3rd year of service were made commanders of departments and foremen of teams. They are also going home with the foremen's stripes. I have never shied away from working with a rag. So my fighters themselves told me, Comrade Commander, let's do everything ourselves, they really didn't let me do anything. Great guys. I still communicate with them, although this year will be the 35th anniversary of the foundation of the crew. They lived very friendly. Two later returned to me as midshipmen. I kept some special personal things of the guys.
        3. +6
          24 September 2022 14: 29
          This is grief, warriors do not know military tactics, do not understand the needs of soldiers and the army, BUT they know by heart what should be in a duffel bag
          1. +4
            25 September 2022 01: 37
            Quote: Free
            This is grief, warriors do not know military tactics, do not understand the needs of soldiers and the army, BUT they know by heart what should be in a duffel bag

            Shoigu made the right decision by sending the wounded officers not to civilian life, but to the military registration and enlistment office. Perhaps, the front-line soldiers will bring a nix there, they will launch a silver carp into this swamp !!!
            1. 0
              25 September 2022 05: 07
              What will they do there? The women are sitting. Someone's wives, etc. Even making them work is unrealistic. The squeal will be like from undercut pigs.
              1. +2
                25 September 2022 11: 59
                Quote: mmaxx
                What will they do there? The women are sitting. Someone's wives, etc. Even making them work is unrealistic. The squeal will be like from undercut pigs.

                This is from which edge to drag the blanket, it’s better to pull it off right away! Put a curator from the relevant body of the Ministry of Defense, so that he would climb the stairs and all snuggle along the walls, and front-line officers, at the first stick in the wheels, 1. to the military commissar, 2. to the curator, 3. the military commissar went to the southwest, on the exchange of experience ... Pigs undercut will either mend themselves or go for sausage!
              2. 0
                26 September 2022 11: 52
                The squeal will be like from undercut pigs.

                Damn, as far as possible. There are women in polyclinics who can’t prescribe anything other than sick leave. There are women in schools who write with errors, but teach literature. And everyone screams a little about the welfare state, but you can’t force them to work. Maybe it's time to stop it?
          2. 0
            25 September 2022 04: 58
            Duc, the main thing here is the shine of the boots and the stripes on the blanket along the thread. No. Still, the main step is to clearly beat off.
      2. +7
        24 September 2022 13: 37
        So the deputy knew everything and was silent? Maybe even a cover? And how many such knowledgeable people are in the Duma, the government of the Moscow Region.
        1. SSR
          +4
          24 September 2022 13: 50
          Quote: ALARI
          So the deputy knew everything and was silent? Maybe even a cover? And how many such knowledgeable people are in the Duma, the government of the Moscow Region.

          Such crap has been happening since the late 80s, to write all sorts of crap into the military, now we are disentangling it. In the 90s, some shot only 7-9 rounds at the shooting range, but the VUS shooter.
          1. 0
            25 September 2022 04: 59
            You might think in the 80s they shot more)).
        2. 0
          24 September 2022 14: 07
          This is it .. Now Misha will take it, and if he doesn’t go, then the ex will say that there is no good about him .. It would be better to keep silent. It would be more honest
          1. +2
            24 September 2022 16: 16
            The deck is shuffled. Some faces go into the buy-in, others remain in the layout. And the Pilot, dear to everyone, always has a Royal Flush on the cards.
        3. +4
          24 September 2022 21: 11
          The same question arose in me, if it gets better in the rear only now, then who endured the previous one for so long? Damn 14 years old.
          1. +1
            24 September 2022 23: 28
            Quote: Alexander Salenko
            The same question arose in me, if it gets better in the rear only now, then who endured the previous one for so long? Damn 14 years old.

            Peacetime endured. Just like the state defense order was carried out according to the type - war will never happen.
        4. 0
          25 September 2022 09: 26
          Quote: ALARI
          So the deputy knew everything and was silent?

          my father-in-law knows this deputy from the cradle ... "- a fool, but stubborn!" (C)
    2. +6
      24 September 2022 12: 51
      And in what place Mizintsev was a political officer, he didn’t find anything like that in his biography.
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        1. +12
          24 September 2022 12: 59
          So what? A combat officer, he was educated and moved to staff work.
          Where is the political officer.
      2. +5
        24 September 2022 13: 29
        And what place Mizintsev political officer
        And what does the deputy for political affairs have to do with logistics? belay
        1. +3
          24 September 2022 13: 47
          The comment I was replying to has been deleted.
    3. +2
      24 September 2022 12: 51
      An interesting appointment.
      He's never an expert in rear support.
      1. +18
        24 September 2022 13: 02
        As world history shows, specialists are able to plunder an unlimited amount of resources.
      2. +14
        24 September 2022 13: 16
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        An interesting appointment.
        He's never an expert in rear support.

        Apparently, the idea is precisely that he is an outsider for the rear and has not been overgrown with schemes there. Judging by what they write, Mizintsev is extremely cruel towards his subordinates. It probably had an effect too.
        1. +1
          24 September 2022 16: 01
          Quote: Chronos
          Mizintsev is extremely cruel towards his subordinates. It probably had an effect too.

          Not cruel, but cruel ... These are different concepts. Fair and tough, that is, not a tyrant. Such in the service subordinates respect. A good commander is worth a lot .. Probably the most important thing. Demand from a subordinate correctly and strictly, but do not let him be offended, take care and appreciate.
      3. +16
        24 September 2022 13: 17
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        An interesting appointment.
        He's never an expert in rear support.

        So Popova and Golikova are also never doctors. However, the whole country was pricked and dressed in masks and zadolbali. So one does not interfere with the other. But:
        General Gurulyov said that he had no good words for the now former Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics.

        That is DEPUTY!!! since 2008 he was silent, but only now he did not find the words ???
        1. -5
          24 September 2022 14: 33
          Quote: NDR-791
          However, the whole country was pricked and dressed in masks and zadolbali

          My friend also said so until he was on the bed ... in an instant the brains were cleared.
          1. +4
            24 September 2022 14: 45
            I dare to assure you that we are all Covid-XNUMX. And we do not need to clean our brains with the help of idiots "in the field." And the crown phrase - "after vaccination, at least you won't die" is the height of cynicism. And the signature about "I agree voluntarily", and then I can't work for half a year ... And pay taxes, don't forget ...
        2. 0
          25 September 2022 04: 46
          This characterizes this figure well. Kicking a dead lion is a sacred thing.
        3. 0
          26 September 2022 15: 05
          Since what 2008? ... The deputy of the State Duma until recently was a lieutenant general in the position of deputy committee. YuVO...
      4. +5
        24 September 2022 13: 37
        and what? Rogozin was also not a cosmonaut or a launch vehicle designer, and I would rather not say anything about Serdyukov (Minister of Defense).
        1. -2
          24 September 2022 14: 25
          The fact of the matter is that you don’t want to continue the chain you voiced using the example of the rear of the NWO
        2. -3
          24 September 2022 15: 11
          They say that this is the man who created the backlog of our army. That only under him our army was revived and settled down.
          Under him, its active rearmament began.
          That's who should be appointed deputy minister for security.
    4. +28
      24 September 2022 12: 54
      Quote from Dmirty
      well it is clear - write wasted! The political officer was put on the rear! N yes!

      1980 - Kalinin Suvorov School
      1984 - Kiev Higher All-Arms Command School
      1996 - Military Academy. M.V. Frunze

      commander of a reconnaissance company of a tank regiment;
      deputy commander of the reconnaissance battalion of a tank division;
      head of reconnaissance of a motorized rifle regiment;
      battalion commander of a motorized rifle regiment;
      senior officer-operator of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff;
      Head of the Group of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff;
      Chief of Operations - Deputy Chief of Staff of the Moscow Military District;
      Chief of Operations - Deputy Chief of Staff of the North Caucasian Military District;
      Deputy Chief of Staff of the Southern Military District

      A good track record for a "political officer"
      1. +10
        24 September 2022 13: 27
        A very worthy track record. Kiev VOKU specialized in training reconnaissance platoon commanders, as well as the second faculty of the Academy. M.V. Frunze trained military intelligence specialists. The leadership of the NCUO MO RF is an excellent practice for managing the Armed Forces. So the appointment of Mikhail Evgenievich is quite a reasonable decision. There are no contradictions. It is not necessary to graduate from the Academy of Logistics and Transport. The Frunze Academy has a wonderful department of logistics.
        1. +8
          24 September 2022 13: 45
          Quote: hiller
          So the appointment of Mikhail Evgenievich is a completely reasonable decision

          Let's hope that together with the SVO, the time has come for active, responsible and knowledgeable officers in the army.
      2. +5
        24 September 2022 14: 13
        Quote: Flood

        battalion commander of a motorized rifle regiment;
        senior officer-operator of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff;

        Interesting jump. From the battalion commanders (major or colonel) and suddenly a senior officer-operator of the GOU General Staff. ?????
        1. +1
          24 September 2022 14: 18
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Interesting jump. From the battalion commanders (major or colonel) and suddenly the senior officer-operator of the GOU General Staff

          There are about three years between these positions, for which I did not see information.
          In the General Staff after the academy.
          For observation +
        2. +1
          24 September 2022 16: 17
          A common practice for a VAF graduate. Surely in the service description there is the phrase "has a high staff culture, is prone to staff work." No "jump". Moreover, in the 90s, through the efforts of some leaders of the Moscow Region, the reductions in parts of constant readiness went off scale to madness. There were no command positions.
      3. -2
        24 September 2022 14: 44
        but in all rear issues, especially in everything that is still hung on this deputy minister, he will figure it out like a stool or ... *
        1. +8
          24 September 2022 14: 52
          Yes, everything is simple here. When the special operation began, it turned out that simple things were missing. But that's okay. And now the mobilization has begun. On this occasion, we looked at the mobilization warehouses, and there, probably, bowlers and helmets from the Second World War.
          Who should be extreme?
      4. -1
        24 September 2022 15: 13
        Zampolit and zampotyl are different concepts.
  2. +18
    24 September 2022 12: 43
    General Gurulev said that he had no good words for the now former Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics

    Did that become clear when he retired?
    1. +4
      24 September 2022 12: 46
      Quote: BABAY22
      Did that become clear when he retired?

      And where in the article does it say that you retire? laughing
      1. +2
        24 September 2022 13: 16
        Quote: Adrey
        And where in the article does it say that you retire?
        This refers to the retired general-l-t Gurulev and that there were probably good words addressed to Bulgakov during his service.
      2. +16
        24 September 2022 13: 24
        Yes you are right. What is the pension at 60 for an army general. 65 is the limit for him.
        Since he is a deputy minister and obviously does not go for a promotion, only Shoigu is higher, and he is appointed to a lower position as an imposed penalty.
        So it turns out the Hero of Russia, the general of the army was removed from his post during the military operation and partial mobilization.
        So someone began to draw conclusions from everything that was happening and waved his saber at the frames.
        1. +5
          24 September 2022 13: 45
          Quote: BABAY22
          So someone began to draw conclusions from everything that was happening and waved his saber at the frames.

          Better late than never request
        2. +1
          25 September 2022 00: 08
          "waved a saber" - this is if they were deprived of regalia or imprisoned for the collapse. And I don't even know what to call it. it's like Chubais .. we have a NWO - and he silently leaves for Italy) and everyone is silent. Like it's the norm. Presidential Adviser, Jr.
    2. +4
      24 September 2022 13: 08
      Quote: BABAY22
      Did that become clear when he retired?

      Moses led the people of Israel in the wilderness for 40 years.
      And no one reproached him for it.

      And here it was only 14 years and it took the SVO to draw the right conclusion.
      1. +4
        24 September 2022 13: 41
        The question is that all this time, maybe nothing was revealed, as it is now. Yes, there were some shortcomings, but there were also beautiful reports, like in many places. they are inappropriate for the position. hi It's still soft, removed, appointed ... How many of them are still sitting in warm places, albeit smaller positions? hi
        1. +2
          24 September 2022 13: 49
          Quote: VORON538
          The question is that all this time, maybe nothing has been opened, as it is now

          Without a doubt, in wartime, all mistakes and shortcomings hit the army many times more painfully.
          I agree with that.
          But incompetence and inconsistency with the position held are noticeable even in peacetime.
          Let them not be so obvious.
          It is only necessary to set a goal to identify them in a timely manner.
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  3. +2
    24 September 2022 12: 43
    I want to always believe in the best.
    And judging by our history, it turns out as always.
    There was Ivanov with Serdyukov, there was Rogozin with nanotechnologist Chubais ....
  4. +8
    24 September 2022 12: 48
    Deputy Andrey Gurulyov is responsible for the destruction of England in our Duma?! laughing
    1. +5
      24 September 2022 13: 54
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Deputy Andrey Gurulyov is responsible for the destruction of England in our Duma?!

      How are you not diplomatic.
      For the sovereignty of Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland.
  5. 0
    24 September 2022 12: 51
    We can only hope for the best.
  6. +8
    24 September 2022 12: 54
    Judging by the information from military correspondents and volunteers, our fighters on the front line lack a lot of things that are urgently needed and this is the fault of the rear. I hope that Mizintsev will rectify this situation.
    1. TIR
      +4
      24 September 2022 13: 05
      Doesn’t the Moscow Region have no money to buy additional equipment? The fact that the volunteers bring bit by bit, our Defense Ministry could easily bring in echelons
      1. +6
        24 September 2022 13: 12
        This is the army. "Is it necessary? Find it somewhere!"
        Or, as they often say: "give birth."
        1. Aag
          +1
          24 September 2022 13: 52
          Quote from invisible_man
          This is the army. "Is it necessary? Find it somewhere!"
          Or, as they often say: "give birth."

          "Get a rifle in battle!" ... (((
        2. +6
          24 September 2022 14: 31
          I even bought a uniform for myself. Now ordinary Russian men are cheating and do not understand what, how and where. And what you manage to collect is also taken away in uniform. What is the preparation for 2 weeks? For a year I was in the ACS 1 time for a photo report. No study, just eyewash. The officers themselves did not want to deal with the soldiers. What now?
      2. +3
        24 September 2022 14: 25
        There is definitely money. They just lie in someone's pockets. Or reports in the style of "everything is fine, lovely marquise" interfere with everything.
    2. RGB
      +3
      24 September 2022 13: 17
      A video has already been posted on the network where AK 47s eaten by corrosion are given out with rotten pouches! Disgrace!
      1. TIR
        +2
        24 September 2022 13: 25
        I had such a problem on an urgent basis, when moving, the box ended up in a place where water was dripping from the roof. Well, the AK-74M was so rusted that it couldn’t be disassembled further. The shutter did not move. The foreman saw how I was trying to disassemble it, snatched the machine gun from my hands and whacked it with the handle on the corner of the table. Threw out all the details and said clean. I cleaned it and then fired at the shooting range without misfires and a wedge
        1. RGB
          +1
          24 September 2022 14: 16
          You are talking about ak 74m, and there is ak 47. Isn't there a fresher weapon?!
    3. +1
      24 September 2022 13: 31
      Quote: Slon_on
      I hope that Mizintsev will rectify this situation.

      Could you demand it? It's military time after all. Mobilization, however...
  7. +3
    24 September 2022 12: 58
    I don’t know what merits Mizintsev has, but the fact that it is necessary to carry out some kind of policy with personnel is for sure, at least by replacement (rotation).
  8. +2
    24 September 2022 13: 01
    Seven (!!!) months already - and finally, at least some progress in the "Arbat military district"! Maybe the Russian Defense Ministry will also strengthen Ramzan and Kadyrov - and then the generals will at least somehow stir?
  9. +5
    24 September 2022 13: 08
    "Misha is smart." At the same time, General Gurulev said that he had no good words for the now former Deputy Minister of Defense


    Well ... Once there is one Misha, and the second can be slandered in the media (actually, even a “dresser” sergeant cannot be reprimanded in front of privates). A good general came out of Gurulev, a modern one.
    1. +6
      24 September 2022 13: 13
      Quote: dauria
      "Misha is smart." At the same time, General Gurulev said that he had no good words for the now former Deputy Minister of Defense


      Well ... Once there is one Misha, and the second can be slandered in the media (actually, even a “dresser” sergeant cannot be reprimanded in front of privates). A good general came out of Gurulev, a modern one.

      Gurulev means he knows everything, Bulgakov can be written off, good relations with him are no longer needed.
      1. +9
        24 September 2022 13: 27
        a good relationship with him is no longer needed.

        So this is a characteristic not of the "decommissioned", but of the remaining ones. I do not idealize the USSR, I have seen everyone. But familiarity and dishonesty at such a level, and even for show ..
        Somehow I flew into 5 days of "lips" for AWOL in the 4th year. None of the officers from the captain on duty to Major General Nedbaylo (twice Hero) "poked", was rude and did not raise his voice.
        "You, comrade cadet ...". So it affects the brain much more.
  10. +3
    24 September 2022 13: 08
    Something Gurulev spoke harshly and unpleasantly about his predecessor ...
    1. +2
      24 September 2022 13: 36
      Gurulev in the rear also (seemingly) had ... incidents.
      No matter what reforms were carried out in the army, the traditions of the home front remained ineradicable. Yes, and the housing issue, according to Woland, spoiled the Muscovites.
  11. +6
    24 September 2022 13: 09
    As a "talking head", the general presented a miserable sight. But maybe his calling is strict (better - cruel) control of the defense order.
    I would have preferred to see in his place a combat officer "from the trenches", angry at the inadequate supply of the army.
  12. +2
    24 September 2022 13: 12
    The rear of the army is the main success factor. During WWII, the US Army had almost ten rear servicemen per belligerent. What we see during the World War II: after eight months after the start of the operation, the rear was "strengthened" by Mizintsev, who read press releases for eight months. In addition, Mizintsev is 60 years old, and the army needs to think about future wars. The generals of this formation did their job: the army entered the last war, for which they were preparing. It is necessary to put in leadership positions those who have given results and have the potential for development and will prepare the army for WWI. But Lieutenant General Konoshenkov was not appointed. And it's time.
  13. +18
    24 September 2022 13: 13
    Who else would have dealt with the mobilization. And then in our Voronezh region (the Rossosh military registration and enlistment office, and there is a similar picture in other regions), the military commissars do not watch TVs and what they tell anyone on them, they don’t know and have never heard of. And so they did everything quickly and no matter how hit. Isn't the private one half a hour yet? Only 48? You suit us! Are you sick? Nothing, you take a supply of insulin with you more and that’s all! You suit us too! Well, judging by the number of mobilized (from the number of residents of the region), one gets the impression that only the provinces are being called.

    PS No one whines, refuses, people came on the agenda (and have already left for retraining). They will send it to me, I will also go, despite the fact that it is also under fifty dollars. But damn it! Gentlemen in power, you already bring it into line with reality or what you say from TVs. Or what is happening on the ground, with what you say. Or is it impossible to do without lies and mess?

    PPS The main fear is that the promised retraining would not become in reality similar to what partial mobilization looks like - I don’t care how, just to report on the implementation of the plan!
  14. +4
    24 September 2022 13: 16
    But earlier it was impossible to change the former boss. A month ago, everything was fine with our rear. And a year ago. And before...
  15. +1
    24 September 2022 13: 18
    As I understand it, Bulgakov will not go to court, which means that Mizintsev can also engage in fraud. The old one was replaced with a younger one and nothing more. Do not linger, citizens, come in, come in!
    1. +1
      24 September 2022 13: 27
      What court, what are you talking about? ))) Do you think he was tyril there? There, the chain then remained in place, the signatory changed, now the direction of the flows will simply change.
      1. +1
        24 September 2022 13: 58
        Did someone talk about the embezzlement in which General Bulgakov participated? In my opinion, the article deals with the removal from office of one and the appointment of another.
  16. -3
    24 September 2022 13: 28
    The news suggests that the supreme power does not live in a vacuum and is aware of the problems. But the movements occur within a narrow bench.
    Yes, and Bulgakov has been in charge of the rear since 2008, to the question, if not for Shoigu, there would have been other generals and everything would have been hurt.
  17. 0
    24 September 2022 13: 30
    From then it must be..
    clear.
    What will happen ... we'll see.
  18. +2
    24 September 2022 13: 32
    Bulgakov coped well with the logistics of troops in Syria. And the distance makes it difficult. Ukraine under the nose, but problems. What's the matter? Possibly on a scale. Or maybe another person dealt specifically with the Syrian topic. I do not know who.
    1. +9
      24 September 2022 15: 41
      Most likely on a scale. Not much was needed in Syria, and it was possible to buy imported equipment.
      But now it comes from storage warehouses.
      No one was preparing for a real big war, so the storage warehouses are mostly old trash. Normal new equipment is not produced in the required quantity. The same military footwear of the required quality. Most likely, recruits will soon be shod in kirzachi with footcloths.
      And this is not only with weapons and uniforms. In the Soviet years, the enterprises had a mobilization stock of materials in the warehouses of the second department. To work on it for a while if something happens.
      Now this is long gone. Optimized, tobish plundered.
      By the way, even in Soviet times, while serving in the army, this was in the early 80s, I had part of the uniform of the 50-60s model. And this is not only a cloth overcoat. But also a winter tunic. By the way, it was great in the winter. Semi-woolen kosovorotka.
      Logistics is the most important issue in the army. A soldier must be well-fed and not simply not hungry, but he must have a lot of strength, he must be well dressed and equipped, he must have enough ammunition, and his military equipment must have enough fuel.
      The commander-in-chief has a first assistant, the minister of defense. That one should have three deputies, the chief of the general staff, responsible for combat operations and combat training, a deputy for armaments and a deputy for support (rear). We have deputies at the Minister of Defense, like dogs in a city that have not been shot. Including conditional generals.
  19. +3
    24 September 2022 13: 34
    Still to put our front in order. And do not let the Ministry of Emergency Situations lead the regular troops soldier
  20. +1
    24 September 2022 13: 36
    Gurulev, of course, is a very combat general, read the biography, believe him ....
  21. 0
    24 September 2022 13: 37
    All the same, I will comment, another cabal with rotation. And no one is to blame.
  22. +1
    24 September 2022 13: 44
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: BABAY22
    Did that become clear when he retired?

    Moses led the people of Israel in the wilderness for 40 years.
    And no one reproached him for it.

    And here it was only 14 years and it took the SVO to draw the right conclusion.

    Moses led 40 years so that all those who did not believe / annoyed God with their unbelief remained in the wilderness. God commanded him to. And the unbelieving Israelites reproached him.
  23. +1
    24 September 2022 13: 47
    so he and the whole pack of subordinates should be imprisoned for life https://t.me/OpenUkraine/26789
  24. +3
    24 September 2022 13: 48
    This is hard and difficult work. In the army of the Czechoslovak Republic, we had a rear on the model of the USSR, and my last position was the regimental head of the rear. Lots of tasks, few people, and mostly a caustic commander. Mr. General, I will keep my fingers crossed for you, no one will envy your position. am
  25. -1
    24 September 2022 13: 49
    and what? not even upturned, like any quartermaster according to the testament of Suvorov?
  26. +4
    24 September 2022 13: 50
    Quote: marchcat
    What was - they saw, what will be - not everyone will have to see!

    Today for the first time I felt strong anxiety, I myself have been living abroad for 5 years, but my mother, having come to the square of our small Siberian town, spoke about hundreds of mobilized men. Women, children, everyone is crying. A neighbor kept a sawmill with his son, both received subpoenas. Everything was closed and off we went. All of this is hard for me to accept. It's hard .... I hope they don't consider me a Ukrainian bot and delete my comment.
    1. +2
      24 September 2022 19: 15
      I also live in a small Siberian city, and I haven’t seen a single conscript yet. At the enterprise where I work, they made a list of people who can be called up for this mobilization service. 44 people, but so far no one has been called up. And women with children do not sob at the gates of the military enlistment office.
      1. +1
        25 September 2022 09: 38
        Quote: vadivm59
        44 people, but so far no one has been called up. And women with children do not cry at the gates of the draft board.

        almost everyone was raked out of us from all the surrounding villages ... but then Zvizdyulina flew in and began to quietly return people ... otherwise almost all the combine operators and tractor drivers were swept away, and the harvesting was going on ... and I drove into the city yesterday, there were only two guys with The district has been called...
  27. -1
    24 September 2022 13: 52
    Quote from RVA
    A video has already been posted on the network where AK 47s eaten by corrosion are given out with rotten pouches! Disgrace!

    I found a video for fun - some kind of suspicious. In the sense that this is an AKM (and not an AK), but strange - with an AK-74 butt with a characteristic cutout to lighten the weight. The steel shop is authentic, but also still looking, mostly red bakelite ones are in use. I saw such garbage only on the outskirts, they liked to cross a snake with a hedgehog there, putting, for example, folding butts from AK-74 on AKM, etc. Perversion. And in general, there is no point in issuing AKM - that's who the hell needs it, to strain logistics somewhere to find scarce 7,62 instead of common 5,45.
    1. +1
      24 September 2022 14: 47
      Quote: hhurik
      I found a video for fun - some kind of suspicious. In the sense that this is AKM (

      I also thought this video that walks in a cart, dubious. What is where is not clear. With the same success, it can be dill.
  28. +1
    24 September 2022 13: 55
    NWO has become the moment of truth for the Russian Defense Ministry. We hope everything falls into place.
    ps It is better for the Sumerians to remain silent about their MO. Without Western arms supplies, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are worth nothing.
  29. -2
    24 September 2022 13: 55
    Quote: vadivm59
    I’d rather not say anything about Serdyukov (Minister of Defense)

    Before his appointment, Serdyukov was the head of the tax service-clown. And they put him in so that the money intended for defense would not be stolen. After his resignation, this is exactly what happens - smoke, for example, engines for PAK DA or Almaty.
  30. +3
    24 September 2022 14: 04
    It would be nice to jail those who really made a plan to seize part of Ukraine by a group of 100 people, then those who reduced their term of service in the army to a year, and finally, those who whispered to Putin about the non-use of a regular army in Ukraine.
    1. -2
      24 September 2022 14: 45
      I must say to the people that this year has been a lot ... or it has already been forgotten how very many even claimed that conscription service is yesterday's century. Even last year I argued with such people. And yet, and who are your contract soldiers, not a regular army?
      1. +1
        24 September 2022 18: 44
        Contract workers, personnel officers, but only here in the Donbass, most of those who signed temporary contracts. The personnel army is a division, an army in full force. and not a gathering gathered from all over the country, not flown, not gathered.
        1. -2
          24 September 2022 19: 39
          So you can sleep peacefully ... NATO does not have a regular army, because there are no full-fledged divisions or armies in full force lol
          1. -1
            26 September 2022 08: 44
            And almost no one has a real cadre army, except probably Israel, everyone has a peacetime army. The United States doesn’t have an army either, it’s good to gouge some kind of Iraq, having previously bribed the leadership, but this rabble is not ready for a normal war, that’s not what they went to the contract for.
            The US Army is like in a joke about a fireman: everything seems to be fine, the salary is excellent, they give you clothes, food, you get enough sleep, but as soon as there is a fire, at least quit.
            1. 0
              26 September 2022 12: 09
              If any Iraq undertook to "gouge" the Russian army, they would lose tens of thousands, all equipment, and would not retreat to Rostov solely because Iraq does not have a land border with Russia.
              You can amuse yourself as much as you like, calling the American army a rabble, but then how to characterize ours? Ukrainian, I remember, quite recently was called exclusively as a bunch of drug addicts and degenerates. You can still call them that now, if someone feels better from this.
  31. +1
    24 September 2022 14: 07
    I am glad that Mizintsev, a graduate of the glorious and old Soviet Kyiv VOKU, is rehabilitating the school for all sorts of reptiles, defectors to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    And in rear affairs, he understands something, it’s too much for the removed deputy minister to manage - from GAU and ABTV to transport
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мизинцев,_Михаил_Евгеньевич
  32. +6
    24 September 2022 14: 29
    Misha is smart. Finally, our rear will be put in order

    And the fact that the Minister of Defense is a person who did not even serve urgently does not bother anyone? What's the point of changing deputies.
    1. 0
      26 September 2022 12: 05
      So Mizintsev never dealt with rear, so what's the difference?
  33. +1
    24 September 2022 14: 44
    At the same time, General Gurulev said that he did not have good words for the now former Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics.
    - is that all? Even, how will it not be with Ulyukaev? Impunity is a problem.
  34. 0
    24 September 2022 14: 59
    There was an interesting moment in Wiki, but it has already been wiped.
    1. 0
      24 September 2022 15: 47
      Nothing is visible on the screen. What is written there?
      1. +1
        24 September 2022 16: 19
        "Takes part in the liberation from the Nazis of Ukraine." Plus - the leadership of the capture of Mariupol.
  35. +1
    24 September 2022 15: 18
    Another would be to make an amendment to the constitution that all military high positions should be occupied by people who have only served in the army with a certain length of service. The grains from the chaff.
  36. +6
    24 September 2022 15: 54
    Bulgakov is a pure logistician (he graduated from the Volsk Logistics School, the only one in the USSR) and understood and knew the provision of troops from the inside, having gone through all the stages of the rear, Mizintsev does not imagine what the rear is, and without a rear there is no Victory, the work of the rear is as if not visible (like the work of his wife who erases, cleans and prepares for a horde), but the success of the battle and victory depends on the correct and uninterrupted operation of the rear, not knowing how the small gears of the huge rear mechanism are spinning, you will not be competent in the strategic issues of the rear of the army, there is not a checker with a horse (there are many such heroes) you need intelligence, experience, ghosts, reaction, team skills and, of course, skillful subordinates, well, success to the new rear, to manage the rear THIS is not at the table for cameras, with a smart and important look to voice the prepared piece of paper. We will see, but it reminds us how the incompetent Komsomol-cosmontist Rogozin was appointed to manage Roscosmos and what this led to (.
    PS, comrade Stalin also put Budyonny at 41 on the fronts and armies, but very quickly realized that it was a big mistake, we’ll see if it’s another mistake ... unfortunately, mistakes are expensive for Russia and the people involved ... The rear is complicated a mechanism much more complicated than an oncoming battle
    1. -2
      24 September 2022 16: 21
      In RIA, ALL officers in turn were engaged in rear affairs.
    2. +1
      24 September 2022 19: 45
      (graduated from the only Volsk rear school in the USSR)

      Gorky (Nizhny Novgorod) rear school. Created as a branch of Volsky in the 74th. Eliminated in 99.
  37. +9
    24 September 2022 15: 55
    I’m wondering for what personal courage and heroism shown in the line of duty, the former Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Bulgakov, was awarded the high title of Hero of Russia. At the same time, shortcomings along his line are visible everywhere.
    Guys who don’t really have a living place and save their fighters without stepping back have a maximum Order of Courage.
  38. -2
    24 September 2022 15: 58
    Finally, I've been waiting for this for a long time. Now I have no more doubts about the victory of Russia
  39. +6
    24 September 2022 16: 17
    At 68, it's time to babysit grandchildren, and not deal with serious matters. With all due respect.
  40. -4
    24 September 2022 16: 27
    1993 to 1996 year listener Military Academy named after M. V. Frunze.

    2001 to 2003 year listener Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
    Explain who is in the subject, who is the LISTENER (if VIKI is not lying) or is this "listener" enough to take a high position in the RF Ministry of Defense?
    1. +5
      24 September 2022 18: 57
      An officer enrolled to study at the academy holds the position of "listener" for the duration of the training.
  41. +9
    24 September 2022 16: 52
    Firstly, not the "commander", but the commander of 5 etc. Secondly, in 2005 Bulgakov was already Deputy Minister and his office was on Bolshaya Pirogovskaya in house number 5. And lastly, Gurulev does not have the level to evaluate Bulgakov: when General Bulgakov of the Army was appointed Deputy Defense Ministry, comrade. colonel Guruleva was only the deputy division commander in Kyakhta. Today Gurulev is the star of all screens, and, in my opinion, he is carried ...
    .
  42. +1
    24 September 2022 16: 54
    We are waiting for the "transfer to another job" Shoigu.
    Personally, I would replace him with Strelkov.
    But they will not replace ... ((
    Because then the readers will suffer ((
    1. -3
      26 September 2022 12: 35
      And what are the achievements of Girkin? The surrender of Slavyansk and the attempt to surrender Donetsk ... an excellent candidate for the position of the Ministry of Defense.
  43. +6
    24 September 2022 17: 07
    But what about "dear" you planned our own and partial mobilization, that now there are already no good words?
  44. +1
    24 September 2022 18: 53
    it would be nice to bring out all the agents of influence of Ukrainians in the highest echelons of power
  45. +1
    24 September 2022 19: 22
    Quote: vadivm59
    I also live in a small Siberian city, and I haven’t seen a single conscript yet. At the enterprise where I work, they made a list of people who can be called up for this mobilization service. 44 people, but so far no one has been called up. And women with children do not sob at the gates of the military enlistment office.

    Perhaps you have it, but here in the Novosibirsk region. like this. I will say more, now in the evening I found out that my cousin was taken away today. And my father's sister called and said that 9 people were taken from her husband's relatives. Toguchinsky district. Novos.reg.
  46. +2
    24 September 2022 19: 32
    Quote: Oleg Ogorod
    Most likely on a scale. Not much was needed in Syria, and it was possible to buy imported equipment.
    But now it comes from storage warehouses.
    No one was preparing for a real big war,

    I always believed that ammunition and food at any time should be at least half of the mobile reserve. And the constant complete renewal of this at least once every 15 years. The USSR was burned by a shortage in 1941, and therefore huge reserves were accumulated in the post-war years. It is clear that much then spoiled and rotted. Shoes subdued all.
  47. -1
    24 September 2022 19: 55
    Sad to read comments about problems. And on the other hand, it may be good that the next problem nodes have been opened - logistic support, military commissariats, the military-industrial complex, and so on. There is a chance to sort things out.
  48. +1
    24 September 2022 21: 30
    It was high time to do this. I hope this is not the last change.
  49. +2
    24 September 2022 22: 46
    Everything according to Krylov I.A. : "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, You are not good at musicians."
  50. -2
    24 September 2022 23: 50
    Quote: isv000
    Quote: vadivm59
    my comrade served urgently in Vladik, at a shipyard, a welder. And some kind of doll in the military registration and enlistment office, on a military ticket, "a welder of coastal missile systems" wrote to him. when I saw this record, I laughed to tears. He did not object, tea is not a work book.


    The same nesting doll wrote to me "Senior operator of a long-range anti-aircraft missile" belay . I'm scratching my turnips now recourse in case of a nix, to cling to the tail or to saddle like that ?! request bully

    122 ask - they know everything. True, they won’t say why they screwed up on well-known sectors of the front. They have a different task. The generals, who were transferred to "other areas" of work, also have a task now - how not to get dirty further, or quietly to the dacha until it calms down, and the friends are called again. Gurulev, although he did not cross paths with him, is right in many matters, despite .... Well, you got it. We haven't had it, and it won't. sad
  51. -1
    25 September 2022 00: 20
    Quote: Former soldier
    Quote: Oleg Ogorod
    Most likely on a scale. Not much was needed in Syria, and it was possible to buy imported equipment.
    But now it comes from storage warehouses.
    No one was preparing for a real big war,

    I always believed that ammunition and food at any time should be at least half of the mobile reserve. And the constant complete renewal of this at least once every 15 years. The USSR was burned by a shortage in 1941, and therefore huge reserves were accumulated in the post-war years. It is clear that much then spoiled and rotted. Shoes subdued all.

    After the Great Patriotic War, the country’s leadership, taking into account exactly what you said, created a strategic reserve of everything that was missing at the beginning of the war. However, after the counter-revolutionary coup of 1991, these reserves were partially sold off, or, more simply put, plundered. Military uniforms - excellent quilted jackets, in which ours stormed our cities in winter, and Gayropean cities, optics, other equipment - everything was put up for sale! In 2013, I left the Paviletskaya metro pavilion, ring road, dived into the passage that leads to the station, in the passage there were tents with various junk, near one my gaze professionally lingered - optics, various, knives, in short, all the odds and ends that might be of interest, well, you understood... . So, I took a closer look, and I see the original binoculars - B-8, 10, 12. All in their original cases. One B-8, manufactured in 1947, in a red leather case. Song. All copies, with a complete rangefinder reticle. It was good that I had money with me, I took binoculars in a red case, and in a regular one. The first one was subsequently given to the boss for his birthday, the second one was given to the defenders of Donbass in 2014, along with some elements of a military uniform. I gave an example of how rear officials traded military property in those years. I wanted to tackle this transition, but other tasks arose. Those were difficult years... . sad
  52. +2
    25 September 2022 02: 33
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Former soldier
    Quote: Oleg Ogorod
    Most likely on a scale. Not much was needed in Syria, and it was possible to buy imported equipment.
    But now it comes from storage warehouses.
    No one was preparing for a real big war,

    I always believed that ammunition and food at any time should be at least half of the mobile reserve. And the constant complete renewal of this at least once every 15 years. The USSR was burned by a shortage in 1941, and therefore huge reserves were accumulated in the post-war years. It is clear that much then spoiled and rotted. Shoes subdued all.

    After the Great Patriotic War, the country’s leadership, taking into account exactly what you said, created a strategic reserve of everything that was missing at the beginning of the war. However, after the counter-revolutionary coup of 1991, these reserves were partially sold off, or, more simply put, plundered. Military uniforms - excellent quilted jackets, in which ours stormed our cities in winter, and Gayropean cities, optics, other equipment - everything was put up for sale! In 2013, I left the Paviletskaya metro pavilion, ring road, dived into the passage that leads to the station, in the passage there were tents with various junk, near one my gaze professionally lingered - optics, various, knives, in short, all the odds and ends that might be of interest, well, you understood... . So, I took a closer look, and I see the original binoculars - B-8, 10, 12. All in their original cases. One B-8, manufactured in 1947, in a red leather case. Song. All copies, with a complete rangefinder reticle. It was good that I had money with me, I took binoculars in a red case, and in a regular one. The first one was subsequently given to the boss for his birthday, the second one was given to the defenders of Donbass in 2014, along with some elements of a military uniform. I gave an example of how rear officials traded military property in those years. I wanted to tackle this transition, but other tasks arose. Those were difficult years... . sad

    Did I understand correctly that the two sticks were sent to me by the very thieves I hinted about in my post? wassat The thieves' tribe - rear officers and quartermasters! sad
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    25 September 2022 04: 19
    If I understand correctly, it is thanks to Mr. General Bulgakov that we owe dozens of units of intact armored vehicles, air defense systems and others abandoned in Ukraine due to the lack of fuel and spare parts? After all these rapid tosses back and forth? And now, seven months later (!) instead of a tribunal, he is being given a well-deserved rest.. “Finally, our rear will be put in order..” yeah.. no one has yet managed to restore order in the rear units of armies conducting active combat operations .. I hope it won’t come down to painted paper boots, like in the First World War (hello to the famous Schliemann!), it probably won’t be possible to sell carriages either... But even under Stalin, the rear people had a flourishing appearance, sitting in Moscow restaurants..
  54. +1
    25 September 2022 04: 36
    Die laughing. Such a thing as the rear needs to be established over the years. And then one person will take it and fix it. Oh well. Especially considering that for us it rarely really worked. This is despite the fact that the supply of our army is dozens of times poorer than any Western one.
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    25 September 2022 07: 41
    On October 27.10.2014, 4, D.V. Bulgakov proposed (3 types of combat lasers, 30.06.2022 types of aircraft carriers and other ideas): technology for electrodynamic charging of military electronic systems - Ratnik, exoskeleton and others - alas, did not even respond. Proposed to Maxim Skokov: he makes exoskeletons and on June 46, XNUMX, made a report at the XNUMXth Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Wrote: >. I think our wars will finally receive “chargers for their electronic systems” in the near future.
  56. +1
    25 September 2022 09: 04
    Quote: nikolai55soot
    On October 27.10.2014, 4, D.V. Bulgakov proposed (3 types of combat lasers, 30.06.2022 types of aircraft carriers and other ideas): technology for electrodynamic charging of military electronic systems - Ratnik, exoskeleton and others - alas, did not even respond. Proposed to Maxim Skokov: he makes exoskeletons and on June 46, XNUMX, made a report at the XNUMXth Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Wrote: >. I think our wars will finally receive “chargers for their electronic systems” in the near future.

    Yes, due to limited budget, we need to spend money on trivial things: armored vehicles, night vision devices, airplanes, quadcopters, drones, tanks, etc., and you offered him some miracles that are only suitable for exhibitions and sale to Arab sheikhs.
  57. +1
    25 September 2022 09: 27
    The son is serving in Soloti, Belgorod region. Listed as "At the field exit". Equipping and shipping ammunition for the front.
    Conscript soldier.
    He eats once or twice a day and, as a rule, at his own expense.
    Either there is no food, then there is not enough food, then instead of eating there is an urgent shipment, and after that it is lights out. When asked about food, they will give you the answer, you will eat tomorrow. We'll get up in the morning! Need to ship urgently. They shipped it, but will they give you food? - You'll eat at lunch. At lunch they allocate a car, they arrive for lunch - there is no food. If it works out, then one of them runs somewhere to a shop in the village. That's what they eat. And drivers who come from the front for ammunition sometimes treat them to canned meat or condensed milk. He boasts that he has learned to divide a can of condensed milk equally among 10 people!!!!!!!!!!
    Therefore, assholes like this leader of the RF Armed Forces need to be imprisoned with deprivation of all merit!
    Eli was able to write without swearing.
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    25 September 2022 12: 18
    Quote: Yves762
    Everything according to Krylov I.A. : "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, You are not good at musicians."

    As Stalin said: “I don’t have any Brandenburgs for you.”
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      26 September 2022 06: 44
      You probably meant the Hindenburgs. By the way, he was still a donkey... but he fell in line. He knew how to select smart performers.
  60. 0
    25 September 2022 14: 05
    It’s boiling over and it’s very urgent, they say we must wait for high-profile matters regarding supplies
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    25 September 2022 18: 05
    Conscripts had to wear out the uniforms and shoes of those who retired to the reserve in the PPD... this is not normal!
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    26 September 2022 08: 16
    Quote: Hadji Murat
    It’s boiling over and it’s very urgent, they say we must wait for high-profile matters regarding supplies

    This will not solve problems and is only good for reporting.
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      26 September 2022 11: 56
      Rather, to calm the electorate.
  65. 0
    26 September 2022 11: 55
    Well, the pensioner was replaced by a pre-retirement person, that’s the right thing, it’s not for nothing that the retirement age was raised by 5 years.
    But there are a few questions:
    1. What is the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation? What did he do and is he doing? Who will replace Mizintsev himself in this post? Did Mizintsev's service in this position prepare him for competent leadership of the rear of the Armed Forces in this more than difficult time?
    2. Judging by the biography, General Mizintsev commanded reconnaissance units, the commander of a motorized rifle battalion, the head of the operational management of the district, and the head of the central command post of the General Staff. All these positions have one thing in common - they have nothing to do with logistics support. Where was the general able to obtain the competence for his current position? Or are competencies the least important thing?
    3. And the above quote from Lieutenant General Gurulev seems to hint that for him personally, the deplorable state of logistics support under the previous boss was not a secret, so what measures did this parliamentarian, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, take previously to correct the situation, to replace someone who could not cope with his responsibilities of a pensioner?
    4. General Bulgakov has been in office for 14 years, since 2008. That is, he was deputy for logistics for the entire term of office of Serdyukov, and retained his post under Shoigu. And how does this fact combine with the implanted mythology that the "furniture maker" ruined the army, and then the gallant General Shoigu came and restored everything for 10 years? Restored with the same people (and there is also Shevtsov, also a "legacy" from the previous MO), who were falling apart? Wonderful are thy works, Lord!
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  67. 0
    26 September 2022 15: 46
    Why do many people believe so much that the new appointee will move mountains and restore order?
    No matter what general you appoint, they are all of the Soviet school and think according to Soviet standards.
    So why expect something advanced?
    How many years has the digitalization of military registration and enlistment offices been announced and Che?
    And that's it! Showing off, mischief, chaos!
    For pennies, old men and pensioners without proper medical certification and meeting the criteria of GDP and Shoigu are driving everyone into the army.
    How many unfit and unsuitable people have already been driven in, and how many more will be driven in!
  68. -1
    26 September 2022 23: 13
    Ask any military man what is the RF NTSUO and its “branches” (CA) in all military command and control bodies. I am sure that you will hear nothing but swearing in response.
    Now the head of this parasitic institution, who is not least responsible for the widespread epidemic of slide-throwing in the Moscow Region, will head our rear and the provision of the Ministry of Defense.
    There’s no doubt about it, we’re now fucking rushing towards a bright future! Yes
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