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Leonid Ivashov: Heroes are being replaced - Russian officers are being "exchanged" for Pussy Riot

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Leonid Ivashov: Heroes are being replaced - Russian officers are being "exchanged" for Pussy RiotFor several months now, hearings on the case of a military coup in the Urals have continued, although federal media have paid attention to this history just the other day. It is closely related to the criminal proceedings against the GRU colonel, retired Vladimir Kvachkov, who was once acquitted of the attempted assassination of Anatoly Chubais. According to the investigation, in the Urals the local cell of the “Kvachkovists” from the “Minin and Pozharsky People’s Militia” planned a coup. Real members of the organization who attended military training classes, wrote the Rassvet uprising plan, kept weapon, appear in court as witnesses, and the one whose involvement in the organization cannot be proved is in custody for more than a year. And he, too, like Kvachkov, a “man of legend” - a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, Colonel Leonid Khabarov. All the accusation is based on the words of a schizophrenic patient. His opinion about who needs this obviously absurd process, why there is an information blockade of the case and whether a patriot officer could really plan a plan for an armed insurrection in Russia, told the reporter Nakanune.RU President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov.

Question: Leonid Grigorievich, the trial of Colonel Leonid Khabarov continues in Yekaterinburg, the case is often associated with the persecution of Vladimir Kvachkov, and there is a lot of mismatch in it: the witnesses are confused in the testimony, and in general the plan of the insurgency looks somewhat absurd, as the role of the colonel in this supposedly "armed coup". What is your opinion about what is happening?

Leonid Ivashov: I am convinced that the case was fabricated. Who I do not know, but today there is such a process of isolation, discredit of Russian heroes, heroes of the Soviet Union. And Leonid Khabarov is really a man who was a model commander for his subordinates, a man who did not hide behind the backs of the soldiers. The man who, after being seriously wounded and contused, still remained in the ranks, he served and continues to serve Russia. So this is unprofitable for someone, and it is unprofitable, first of all, for those people who have not fought. People who did not defend the Fatherland, and all the time in the service someone had. And here they fabricate such cases, both with respect to Khabarov, and Kvachkov, and Konstantin Dushenov. To get this example, the image of a Russian officer out of his mind, discredit them.

Question: Who needs to discredit Russian patriots? Is this influence of the West and those who are called "agents of influence" here?

Leonid Ivashov: No need to all nod to the West. Yes, the West will use every opportunity to weaken Russia through the destruction of the unity of the nation. And our people, as you will look historically - take literature, take music, take any other sphere of self-expression - it always united, first, around the idea, second, around those who served as an example of serving the unity, serving the Fatherland. And all our literature, starting from the "Talk of Igor's Regiment", has always kept such courageous people at the epicenter of its attention. And today we need to separate us, to destroy the bright images, so that the young people will be brought up on the example of “Abramovich”, “Berezovsky”, “Khodorkovsky” and others. To defeat Russia, it must be deprived of its sense-forming forces.

Question: Could a colonel, a war veteran, as he is called, a man of legend, really be able to devise a plan for a military coup in the country?

Leonid Ivashov: You know, with these bezdyryami, whether they are from the FSB, from the presidential administration, I just disgusted to talk to them, much less listen to them. Well, they do not know the history, well, look at the story - well, when did the retirees commit a coup? It is called a “military” coup, because people endowed with military power, having subordinate units, other structures, simply ordered troops, went out and shot someone, hung (right or wrong - another question), took just power in your hands And how can a person who does not possess authority, who does not have at the disposal of law enforcement agencies, who does not have enough weapons, can challenge such a state military colony? Well, this is wildness!

Question: In that case, who and why could "order" this thing? On the one hand, Khabarov was one of the main critics of the Minister of Defense? On the other hand, they say that the new case against Kvachkov and his "associates" is Chubais's revenge.

Leonid Ivashov: Yes, Khabarov did not have such a “special” position. His political position is that he continues to serve. Here he is all the wounded, it would seem, you can sit in a stroller, ask for a pension and so on. And he creates the best in Russia museum of military operations in Afghanistan, creates himself initiative, with his colleagues. He organizes a military institute in essence. And the military-patriotic education, which others talked about, then forgot, he spends. Of course, he, like any normal person, wants changes in Russia, major changes, as I want, like you and all others. So that these mediocrity would not prevail, which the Russian national wealth would inevitably seize and carry all the dirt from the West, disintegrate young souls, corrupt our girls - this obscurantism is not perceived by any healthy person. Of course, Leonid Khabarov fought against this, but to ascribe that he and several of his like-minded people were plotting a military coup, I repeat, just wildness.

Question: Kvachkov generally calls his arrest repression. Is it possible to say that repressive measures were also applied to Khabarov?

Leonid Ivashov: Yes, more than 20 people are repressed. You understand that society should always have passionaries to make society normal, this is the real elite - passionaries who fight for their Fatherland, for its better future, and now they are trying to put out, destroy, keep in prisons, to continue " Bulk "and" udaltsovy "were symbols of the struggle for Russia. This is a substitution, a substitution of heroes.

Question: According to the FSB, Khabarov and his colleagues planned to seize weapons in several military units, after which a campaign against Moscow, the purpose of which was to seize power, was unlikely - a military man could hardly be the author of such a plan from a professional point of view?

Leonid Ivashov: We are always taught to organize combat, operations, but we always build the battle of this operation on the balance of forces. And these people graduated from higher military schools, academies, they cannot sink to the belief that I can defeat an enemy division in one platoon. And they understand that this is impossible. You can pursue some line on the failure of the current government, on the non-perception of the processes that are underway, but to gather in the forest and go to capture the Kremlin? Well, I do not believe it, I know Leonid Khabarov and Vladimir Kvachkov well, they are not fanatics, they are not without reason. I often saw Leonid Khabarov, he was aiming to serve Russia, he did only good deeds, and now he is told by a military officer, to a combatant that he wanted to go to Moscow from Yekaterinburg - well, this is nonsense, this is complete nonsense.

The rally in support of Khabarov





Question: Indeed, in Yekaterinburg "rebellion" there is delirium, there appears such a character as Alexander Yermakov, who was found to be sick with schizophrenia and is not subject to trial, however, all other witnesses refer to his words when they say about Khabarov’s involvement in the organization of the coup . What is the role of Ermakov in this matter? Is it possible that they were simply manipulated, knowing about his illness?

Leonid Ivashov: Our special services have forgotten how to catch real spies, provocateurs, those who undermine the foundations of our state. But they did not lose the skills to introduce schizophrenics and the sick into some organizations and then base the evidence on their testimony. I know such cases, and they tried to introduce us with approximately the same goals: a person is introduced, it is better that he was schizophrenic, evidence is based on his testimony, and then he is declared sick, and those whom he testified are accused of. That is what happened in the Ekaterinburg organization.

Question: So this is such a “classic” trick of the special services, can we say?

Leonid Ivashov: Yes, it is as old as the whole world. Provocateurs have always tried to implement, and now they have not lost this ability, it means. But to catch the real traitors of the motherland, the same "fifth column" to identify and real agents of the special services - this is beyond their power.

Question: The Minin and Pozharsky people's militia was not originally a revolutionary organization, what do you know about this social movement?

Leonid Ivashov: Revolutionary organizations are created when the revolutionary situation in the country, to create such organizations in a stable society is generally a paradox. And in general, a revolution should first arise among the political elite, the military in such situations always stand in the background. The movement named after Minin and Pozharsky was conceived entirely for other purposes, this goal is the liberation of Russia from occupation, and we today, it must be admitted, are an occupied country. This broad movement envisaged the fight against the destructive processes in the science system, in the education system, in our military sphere. This is such a broad movement where intellectuals gather, just people who disagree with this destruction. And not to go from Yekaterinburg to take the Kremlin with assault rifles by storm.

Question: Why does such a circus need FSB and security officials? As you have noted, is the substitution of heroes in the country? Please tell us more about what you associate it with?

Leonid Ivashov: In Soviet times, such a game was militarized “Zarnitsa” - and everything that they prescribe seems like this “Zarnitsa”, but not on a large scale, but in some district one. And what is it for? This power-oligarchic class, which occupied, captured Russia, it is necessary to justify the retention of this power over Russia. And now they are always looking for "threats", but they exist, but not among the officers - officers have always been the defenders of Russia, with rare exceptions. And here they are trying these passionaries, people who understand that Russia today is colonized, occupied - they are trying to isolate them. To expose some idiots so that there is no confidence in them, this is carried out in line with the destruction of the army. Well, let's see who brought more harm - Khabarov or the same Serdyukov? Today, the latter finally destroyed the army, and who could be tried for treason against the motherland, for undermining the defense capability — he destroyed the intelligence service, destroyed the control system, destroyed military education, military science.

Question: There is a definite information blockade of this question: if the society reacted vividly to the “Pussy Rayot” discharged and advertised, then the process of a military coup d'état seems to be “silenced”.

Leonid Ivashov: Well, of course, of course ... "Pussy Rayot" trumpeted the whole world and for almost a year now they have been running this process everywhere - but the fact that combat officers were planted and mocked at them - this must be hidden, otherwise society will begin to compare actions Pussy Riot and officers' actions. Therefore, isolate information as they can. Who is the customer there? Hard to say. But the information blockade exists when I spoke at Kvachkov’s case, they tried to persuade me for about an hour that the process should be closed, and no record should be made, and there should be no jury when I speak. I, of course, refused.

Question: In your opinion, what awaits Colonel Khabarov, the same fate of convicted Kvachkov, or will he manage to prove his innocence?

Leonid Ivashov: It is difficult to say how power will behave. But those who rise in the public consciousness and become an authority - they will definitely be isolated, because this power cannot show the other to the public. The authorities do not need people who unite others around them. Everything is done to ensure that the active part of the population, people who unite around themselves the electorate, the population and can form the people (according to the third article of the Constitution, the only source of power), destroy.

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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 23 October 2012 06: 20
    +12
    Yeah, really!

    The kids will be christened by some Pussi, and at air exhibitions instead of "Swifts" some "Blue .........." will fly (in this place where ........ ...... Think for yourself) and the main thing will not be Morozov, but Elton John (you know who he is).

    Hello to everyone. hi
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 October 2012 06: 24
    +30
    As for the media stub, Ivashov is right, the launches do not leave the screens, but there is utter silence on swifts, an elite group of pilots would go, but it’s not interesting. Capturing weapons in the Urals and moving to Moscow is also out of the ordinary. that would not go far and sit there. With Kvachkov it’s also not clear what’s happening. The court is acquitted of attempting to assassinate Chubais and all is one in prison, and Chubais on which the prison burst into tears steers and lives.
    1. Mostovik
      Mostovik 23 October 2012 06: 46
      +9
      And what is surprising, journalism is the same job, so the press writes what they pay for it, otherwise all the journalism would go without pants. Free press is a fairy tale.
      1. bask
        bask 23 October 2012 07: 23
        +2
        Puski continues to work out, whose order ... it’s not without reason that they released one. Now this pi ........ TV% 1.Yes .... with her .. The article in the presentation by Ivaov is strange and confusing. ,, rebellion ,, like a rebellion ,,, Decembrists ,,, this same ,, funny listening to everything, they’ll make it, right away, the conversation between the officers and some kind of informer will be given .. The thinking people won’t do this ....
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 23 October 2012 17: 14
        +7
        There are also such concepts as "professional pride", "a sense of one's own completeness", all that is now trying to replace the concept "the main thing is grandmother!" Journalists bought for delgi are worse than prostitutes in my opinion, whores infect the body, and corrupt journalists - the brain.
        Unfortunately, modern journalists are so mentally limited that they do not understand that they dig their own grave, because when people understand that the work of journalists is nonsense, they will simply stop reading and drying them. For example, I stopped watching the news on ORT, there is no true useful information!
        A bit of humor to cheer up:
        http://demotivation.me/saqo5b1fauuupic.html http://demotivation.me/fx7u0gq6qtpxpic.html
        http://demotivation.me/135w3xu7vtx1pic.html
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 23 October 2012 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      As for the stub in the media, Ivashov is right, the launches do not leave the screens

      But our media is very weak, or completely controlled by the state. Heroes of the USSR and Russia are real people opposing the 5th column of the West. Therefore, with all my deepest respect for Ivashov, I would not sweep aside the influence of the West on these processes, which "bought" many media outlets since the late 80s. And the girls from PR - this is the "black PR" in relation to the "bloody gebna", which is entrenched in the Kremlin. Where there is a massive Western movement in defense of the author of "Innocence of Muslims", there in the USA some of them were even "accepted" by the police. Double standards again? I really hope that the RF GP will act fairly in relation to our officers.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 23 October 2012 17: 59
        +1
        "I really hope that the RF GP will act fairly in relation to our officers." - Do you seriously hope so?
        http://www.nr2.ru/moskow/408912.html
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      to capture on Magadan, so as not to travel far and sit there.

      laughing laughing laughing
      1. Armata
        Armata 23 October 2012 17: 44
        +5
        Welcome all. We laugh over the Yankes koga we see their camps and coffins. And we do not see what is happening with us. A two-faced Janus is hiding under the mask of a prezik. Which place is more convenient and will turn. And the coolest excuse he has "this is not the business of the president" Where all the nostrils in glass wool are profitable, and where the benefit shines (political or financial), this is not his business (well, this is not tomorrow). The question is WHOM? PLUSH? E patriots answer. Maybe swifts are not in vain to spread rot? There are no words one mat.
  3. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 23 October 2012 06: 35
    -7
    Perhaps "Zarnitsa", maybe something else, but no one will form a criminal case just like that. We need reasons, and reasons that are strong for the court. The court decides on the detention of the person under investigation, for the examination and other measures inherent in the investigation. This is a serious accusation and it is not appropriate to compare it with Puski. Although advertising Puskam really is what they need. Who only did not support them. But the patriots of the officers do not have anyone and this also leads to certain thoughts, as well as the fact that there is an on-air silence in relation to the patriotic officers.
    1. Slayer
      Slayer 23 October 2012 07: 21
      +1
      sasha.28blaga, this is called giving a debt to the homeland, but the homeland didn’t owe you anything. And the public interest in the launches is a nifty plot, there wouldn’t be such a stir around them, if they would get away with a fine or conditional, and so they would rattle the whole world, it’s a purely indicative verdict, we are given conditions for beating, and this article is much harder than hooliganism, and in general it’s a precedent when they give the term for hooliganism even so long, I remember the case of Kozlov, who stole diamonds in Yakutia for hundreds of millions, gave him 5 years so judge for yourself
    2. crazy_fencer
      crazy_fencer 23 October 2012 08: 33
      +9
      I do not agree. It’s easier to fabricate a criminal case in Russia than, excuse me, two fingers on asphalt. There is almost the same old axiom as the Soviet regime: there would be a person, but there would be an article.
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      We need foundations, and good reason for the court

      This is for the court, and here is the court.
      And the comparison is quite appropriate - both there and here, they simply use the courts. This is not obvious to you?
  4. galeo88
    galeo88 23 October 2012 07: 18
    0
    I do not know how anyone, but I personally have one word: Pussy Riot is so infuriating ... angry
    1. alexng
      alexng 23 October 2012 07: 57
      +2
      Quote: galeo88
      I do not know how anyone, but I personally have one word: Pussy Riot is so infuriating ... angry

      Pissed off by the word "rabid baby girls"? Duc keyword mad. that's infuriating. Well at least not sausage. Too much attention to them.
      1. crazy_fencer
        crazy_fencer 23 October 2012 08: 35
        0
        I totally agree. It seems that half of the country has nothing more to do than discuss these fools.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 23 October 2012 20: 30
        +1
        For a long time I have been trying to speak Russian definitions, and not "blue, pink ...". Our words better define the essence, and Russian beautiful words do not stain. And then - "reeter, confused ...". clearer - murderer, bitch ....
        Article is correct
  5. nokki
    nokki 23 October 2012 07: 21
    +11
    By the way, about "pusski" ... Their case, like a litmus test, revealed the entire satanic army, rushing to their defense. Especially, some "figures" of our culture have appeared. This is the question that we read, watch, listen!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 10
      -12
      "Satan's Men", pi.pets! laughing
      Orthodox, huh? laughing
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 23 October 2012 20: 35
      +2
      "By the way, about the" pussies "... Their case, like a litmus test, revealed the entire satanic army rushing to their defense. Especially, some" figures "of our culture were lit up."

      And no one thought, where did the money come from? These c ... and so earn. And ideology has nothing to do with it. Who pays them?
  6. DIMS
    DIMS 23 October 2012 09: 04
    +4
    The flagrant lack of professionalism of our law enforcement agencies. They can't even fabricate a business properly.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 23 October 2012 09: 48
      +2
      The flagrant lack of professionalism of our law enforcement agencies. They can't even fabricate a business properly.

      Most likely, the case was created in an emergency mode, someone from local cones wanted to curry favor and get an asterisk and / or bonus, plus to distract attention from internal problems ...
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 23 October 2012 10: 09
        +1
        Even in emergency mode, you need to think with your head, and not sciatica.
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 23 October 2012 17: 18
      +2
      when people (judges) are paid not for professionalism, but for obedience - such a result is logical! There you don’t have to think with your head, the boss himself will tell you everything to do!
  7. ism_ek
    ism_ek 23 October 2012 09: 16
    -8
    Pussy Riot openly opposed the regime. Therefore, they were shown on TV. Viewers like these pictures.
    Kvachkov and Khabarov do not understand what they wanted. Either they attacked Chubais, or they didn't attack, or they just wanted to scare him. It is clear that these are adults, they will not run to dance in a half-naked form in the temple. But the revolutionaries of them are also not very good, therefore they do not show them on TV. They "piss" quietly.
    1. Roman Dmitriev
      Roman Dmitriev 23 October 2012 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: ism_ek
      Pussy Riot openly opposed the regime.
      Shouting "Wed ... ny lord" in the central temple of the Country with believers? The fight against the regime is good. The so-called prayer was applied later.
      Quote: ism_ek
      Kvachkov and Khabarov do not understand what they wanted.
      I can’t say anything about Khabarov, I learned about him only on this site. But with Kvachkov I watched one show, his statements were very balanced. Most likely he suffered for these ideas.
      1. btsypulin
        btsypulin 23 October 2012 10: 10
        +13
        Khabarov spoke the truth directly and very harshly about the current government, Serdyukov and their "exploits" for the good of Russia. For this he was imprisoned. Let everyone who voted for the GDP and continue to vote for it, you see, in 5 years one amorphous mass in Russia will remain free, everyone will be jailed and whoever needs to be removed ...
        1. Magadan
          Magadan 23 October 2012 10: 44
          -3
          Too dangerous to change power. Already named above the roof. It is necessary to deal with specific freaks, and with specific tips with pointers.
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 19
            +6
            Quote: Magadan
            Too dangerous to change power. Already named above the roof. It is necessary to deal with specific freaks, and with specific tips with pointers.

            Yeah, i.e. - fight with the consequences, not the causes ?! laughing
            And then, according to the Constitution, power belongs to the people, no one proposes to change the people, but the list of "specific freaks", in my opinion, should start from the very top.
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 23 October 2012 17: 09
              +1
              Tell me the people who own power in Russia. I would like to talk to him.
              1. s1н7т
                s1н7т 23 October 2012 21: 41
                0
                Read the constitution of the Russian Federation - everything is written there. To broaden horizons, so to speak)
          2. Che
            Che 23 October 2012 15: 40
            -2
            Magadan,
            I agree with you. It is necessary to fight legally with evil. And lately he has divorced too much. The main publicity.
          3. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 23 October 2012 17: 23
            +4
            And when did our power change? Yeltsin -VVP-Medvedev-GDP, everything is stable, no changes. Since the days of EBN, as the power was taken from the people, nothing has changed!
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 13
        -4
        Quote: Roman Dmitriev
        Shouting "Wed ... ny lord" in the central temple of the Country with believers? The fight against the regime is good.

        To fight a regime that is trying to fool citizens with religion - that's it! I support)
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 23 October 2012 11: 17
          +3
          Fooling around or not is a private matter of citizens. And not for you or these dogs to decide for them
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 23 October 2012 13: 06
            -2
            Quote: DIMS
            Fooling around or not is a private matter of citizens. And not for you or these dogs to decide for them


            Yah?! You broadcast like one from the rostrum of the State Duma, spitting on the fact that I am a citizen of this country and everything concerns me here. Including - the right to decide "to be fooled or not"). I have not delegated this right to anyone laughing
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 23 October 2012 13: 26
              +1
              Sorry, but as "edrisnya" you are now broadcasting, trying to impose your worldview on others. And you have the right to decide only in relation to himself... Is the message clear, "citizen of the country"?
              1. s1н7т
                s1н7т 23 October 2012 21: 49
                0
                Not certainly in that way. Or - not at all. I decide for myself, for my children, for my grandchildren, when they will. This is at least. I can continue the list. And I do not impose my "worldview", but I defend - I have the right, however. And you like them will soon openly demand the oprichnina to be introduced. I'm against.
          2. alexander hjcnjd
            alexander hjcnjd 23 October 2012 20: 27
            0
            Quote: DIMS
            And not for you or these dogs to decide for them
            And who, Vova and Misha? For all 20 years, the state has been promoting and imposing Orthodoxy on everyone. After all, the main meaning of Orthodoxy is "Power from God."
        2. Roman Dmitriev
          Roman Dmitriev 23 October 2012 11: 30
          +1
          Quote: c1n7
          To fight a regime that is trying to fool citizens with religion - that's it!
          No need to keep believers for submissive idiots. The fact that the patriarch called for voting for the gdp does not mean that all the Orthodox have voted for him. Each one makes his own choice.
          1. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 23 October 2012 17: 12
            0
            Recent elections have shown that sober-minded people preferred. They stayed at home! Not a bad choice.
          2. s1н7т
            s1н7т 23 October 2012 21: 51
            0
            Quote: Roman Dmitriev
            No need to hold believers for submissive idiots

            laughing Okay, let's remove the word "obedient" - will something change?
    2. Joker
      Joker 23 October 2012 15: 33
      0
      Quote: ism_ek
      Pussy Riot openly opposed the regime


      Show solidarity, go canonize on the Red Square.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 23 October 2012 21: 52
        +1
        The level of argumentation is determined by the level of intelligence.
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 23 October 2012 09: 47
    +14
    he destroyed intelligence, destroyed the control system, destroyed military education, military science.
    Serdyukov and his company, this is a real disaster, here is the real fifth column.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 21
      +4
      Duc Serdyukov is only a performer, is it really incomprehensible ?! His filthy "reform" someone asserted, what do you think?
      1. Gorchakov
        Gorchakov 23 October 2012 15: 02
        +5
        Quote: c1n7
        Duc Serdyukov is only a performer, is it really incomprehensible ?! His filthy "reform" someone asserted, what do you think?

        I think that Serdyukov’s pawn .... It all began under Gorbachev ... but it continued under Medvedev, with the tacit consent of the leader of the nation ... Sometimes it seems to me that the leader whom I supported from the first day of his reign leads a double game ... From the rostrum and in the press, his calls for increasing Russian statehood and the development of patriotic institutions, so supported by his electorate, and on the other, his liberal government, continue to shove us the foundations of Western democracy and laws that undermine the unity of our society ... .Personally, I begin to doubt the sincerity of Putin’s statements and the further, the more ... I think he played in the intelligence on the territory entrusted to him and can only believe that he will not be convicted of double-dealing .... Kvachkov’s fate , Budanova, Khabarova are only confirmation of my doubts ...
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 23 October 2012 17: 16
        +2
        It is difficult to say who approved it. One can only speculate. But Serdyukov began reforms when the military doctrine had not yet been not only not approved, but not even developed. These are the realities of our life. So who pressed the START button?
    2. volk74
      volk74 23 October 2012 12: 06
      +5
      This is exactly a stool under the tribunal !!!! for destroying the army for military schools KVACHKOV KHABAROV FOR FREEDOM !!!!!! I am proud that I live next to such people as real patriots of RUSSIA!
  9. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 23 October 2012 09: 57
    +10
    Good day!
    It’s hard to come up with a more idiotic accusation against Khabarov. But it is, which once again confirms that if you need to remove a HUMAN, any most absurd accusations will do. And what is most sad, the prosecutor's office and the court perceive all this with shocking seriousness. Sometimes from impotence hands fall.
    The other day in the Kremlin, finally, they started talking about patriotic upbringing! Hooray! It happened! And even, once again, some kind of structure was invented. And then you do not need to invent anything. Everything is already there. Only these people who were engaged in the same patriotic education (not for money, by the way, but for beliefs) were identified not for youth but for bunks. This is parsley, my friends.
  10. Magadan
    Magadan 23 October 2012 10: 38
    +1
    The authorities make very serious mistakes, and one by one. Initially, they played on a fictional orange wave. They would still try to rally the nation around themselves against the threat of aliens. So far, people believe in these fantasies about Ksyusha Sobchak as the Libyan PNS, which means they consider the bureaucrats from Edra to be a direct example of patriotism. Under this brand, the bureaucrats of Edrista have already shoved the law on demonstrations. And while the bureaucrats from Edra think that people think so, they will continue to spread rot such as Kvachkov, because he, thieves and mediocrity, is bothering them to live in peace.
    In general, it's time to determine the enemy. It is foolish to consider Vladimir Putin personally an enemy of the Motherland, because specifically, he did not notice any anti-Russian actions, and what’s the end of the overthrow of the supreme power, we already passed in Russia. The enemies of the people should be considered all officials in the layer from the level of the head of the city traffic police and to the minister. If only an official from this environment did not prove otherwise by his deeds. The king is good, the boyars are bad? Exactly. So reliable. Revolution is not necessary, but it’s high time to deal with nits.
    1. btsypulin
      btsypulin 23 October 2012 11: 07
      +5
      Probably, they also said about the last tsar: "he is good, but he did not know what the ministers were doing" ..... We all know what this led to.
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 23 October 2012 23: 33
        0
        It led to the fact that the West, or anyone else there, has launched an over-competent operation to destroy Russia as a dangerous competitor. And the tsar has nothing to do with it, it was just that our intelligence services did not have enough brains to beat enemy agents in the secret field
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 25
      +4
      Talk nonsense. We have no king, no boyars. There is government policy and people who determine it. If it is not determined by the President of the Russian Federation, then tries. is he so needed? And if this is precisely his policy, who else will you appoint as "enemies"? laughing
      1. btsypulin
        btsypulin 23 October 2012 11: 33
        +1
        "To the point" Valentine!
    3. alexander hjcnjd
      alexander hjcnjd 23 October 2012 20: 33
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      The king is good, the boyars are bad? Exactly.
      here is an example of slavish thinking.
      Quote: Magadan
      It is foolish to consider Vladimir Putin personally an enemy of the Motherland, because specifically, no anti-Russian actions are noticeable behind him
      yes, yes, all the dirty work was done by evil boyars.
  11. Odessa
    Odessa 23 October 2012 10: 38
    +4
    Fresh video.
  12. anfreezer
    anfreezer 23 October 2012 10: 48
    +5
    I believe in Ivashov ...! Budanov, Ulman, ... Khabarov ..... The authorities need "wooden soldiers of Urfin Dzhus" .. am
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 October 2012 11: 39
      +1
      The authorities have everything they need, they don't need anything else, even "wooden soldiers" - well, you never know suddenly?)))
  13. vasev
    vasev 23 October 2012 10: 54
    +11
    Putin will play out ...
    After all, not all presidents end up like Yeltsin ... also Ceausescu was :)
    1. virm
      virm 23 October 2012 13: 43
      +2
      Mr. Putin is a protege of Yeltsin-Birch-Chubais. It is a fact.
      This kagal appointed Mr. Putin as the main person of the state in order to preserve and legitimize the wealth, property, power, natural resources captured by them in the 90s now and in the future. Mr. Putin does not fulfill these duties for fear, but for conscience. Since he is flesh from the flesh of this liberal, oligarchic, non-Russian gang.
      In addition to the immediate tasks of protecting and preserving the stolen goods, Mr. Putin has done the following for 12 years:
      - introduced 282 anti-Russian article
      - imprisoned Russian military officers Kvachkov, Khabarov, Arakcheev.
      - revealingly executed Colonel Budanov.
      - established the process of adoption of Russian children by foreigners. In fact, this is a sale. In fact - a symbolic humiliation of our country.
      - launched into our country 20-30 million foreign migrants.

      We are waiting for another 12 years of activity of this people. Maybe someday he will switch places with Kvachkov and his friends.

      Freedom to Kvachkov, Khabarov, Arakcheev !!!
      1. urzul
        urzul 23 October 2012 15: 18
        0
        - introduced 282 anti-Russian article
        already xnumx years like
        It is only legally possible to legally attract under this article clinical ....... s, since with a normal lawyer any prosecutor’s charge falls apart before your eyes - about any of your speeches, except in the most extreme cases, anon, you can say that they were allegorical or allegorical in nature, and if you did not write a note of appreciation with the subject language, you will not succeed in proving.

        And even if you cleaned up a janitor, not a Russian mordas, then if you sincerely did not admit that you beat him precisely for a foreign muzzle, they will only charge you with beatings, or something else, but not with the “national context”.

        In general, the problem is not in the law itself, but in how it is applied, because it should work in both directions.


        - established the process of adoption of Russian children by foreigners. In fact, this is a sale. In fact - a symbolic humiliation of our country.
        Not established, but legalized. The sale was in 90

        - launched into our country 20-30 million foreign migrants.
        Now they are foreign steel. I hate nationalists.
  14. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 23 October 2012 11: 09
    +6
    It's unpleasant to watch how once again people are bred out of the blue!
    First, they invented a Kvachkov conspiracy with anecdotal details, then clung to Udaltsov with Georgian funding, which is no less anecdotal - that Udaltsov really has hardly a lot more than a hundred true supporters, and even if he pulls himself, then he will not be able to organize a revolution demonstrations ...
    Here, as hellish devils got out of the snuff-box, they were carefully promoted on all channels, though there was a bit of a bummer - they didn’t calculate it ... the PR men, painfully hit the image of the regime in external circles, although they again shook their people with pleasure ...
    In real life, there is a tightening of the nuts, though not there and not with those - no matter how the boiler overheats and breaks the lid ...
    Leave behind the mythical enemies with Bolotnaya - there are no enemies there, with rare exceptions, real enemies are sawing the budget, introducing paid education and medicine, ruining industry and agriculture, destroying the army in the bud, but the authorities offer several prostitutes or, as an option a few retirees ...
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 23 October 2012 11: 14
      +5
      The bog leaders distract the people from real problems and impede the creation of a real working opposition. Why aren't they enemies?
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 23 October 2012 13: 28
        0
        Quote: DIMS
        The bog leaders distract the people from real problems and impede the creation of a real working opposition. Why aren't they enemies?


        And why are the enemies? Did they break something, or what? They exercise their constitutional rights, and nothing more. And since 1996, the authorities have been actively hindering the creation of a "really working opposition" - why do they need it? It is easier for them, taking advantage of the blunders of the "swamp", to expose them to ridicule - they say, these are such ridiculous and wretched oppositionists. For those who did not buy, another PR is Khabarov, for example. Now you either laugh when you hear criticism of the authorities (the bog monsters only criticize!), Or are afraid that they will come for you. Conclusions are not difficult to draw, right?
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 23 October 2012 13: 34
          -1
          A concrete example: the last single voting day. What did your beloved marshmen do? By your "choices"? The Yerovskiys, so unloved by you, applauded them standing for such a very far-sighted decision.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 October 2012 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Leave behind the mythical enemies with Bolotnaya - there are no enemies there, with rare exceptions, real enemies are sawing the budget, introducing paid education and medicine, ruining industry and agriculture, destroying the army in the bud, but the authorities offer several prostitutes or, as an option a few retirees ...

      But what? The idea is quite sound. Let's take the opposition with Bolotnaya. Who has been discrediting themselves for a long time, the people of authority have zero, total rejection. Actions sometimes raise doubts about the adequacy of the characters, at least take a trip to the American embassy. That’s why you won’t get the support of the people. So the goal is different. It’s all before the presidential election. What we have as a result. Putin’s ratings climb up. Why don't the girls go out of the church and go out of the media? Who benefits? Yes, the authorities. Goals: distract people from problems that cannot be solved , but they only get worse. We create an image of the enemy, even one like that, then add more characters to these images, they already add. The whole process has gone, everyone is talking only about it. Girls, Udaltsov, Navalny and the like. Opponents are somehow not serious. girls generally have endless proceedings, although a court decision can be made in a week, there’s nothing to investigate. Conclusion: we are watching a performance for the average man coming from the authorities. Can this be? Yes, easily.
      1. Joker
        Joker 23 October 2012 17: 22
        +2
        at least a trip to the American embassy. You won’t get any support from this. So the goal is different. This is before the presidential election. What do we have as a result? Putin’s rating climbs up. Why don't the girls go out of the church and get out of the media? ? Yes, authorities. Goals: we distract people from problems that cannot be solved, they only get worse. We create an image of the enemy, even one like that, then we add more characters to these images, they already add. The whole process has begun, everyone talks only about it. , Udaltsov, Navalny and the like

        You have exactly repeated all my words hi that is why all of them have not been transplanted yet, because they are profitable authorities, there are already lots of articles on them. We are just fooled and that's it. I personally will definitely not vote for Putin anymore, that's enough, he has already sat up for how long he is sitting and didn’t do anything, what were the problems, and they remained the same.
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 October 2012 13: 18
      +4
      Noted very true! To the quiet victories of the enemies I will add the gradual introduction of juvenile justice. Example: now the State Duma is introducing a law (such as protecting children from the influence of alcohol))), which implies the CRIMINAL liability of parents, if a child, for example, tells at school that his parents took a glass for New Year! Well this - pi.pec family! The state of divided loners. More than three gathered - a potential conspiracy. The situation with Khabarov is already a bell, probably.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 23 October 2012 14: 01
        -5
        By the way, juvenile justice has existed for a long time. And deals with the issues of minors as their crimes and crimes against them.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 23 October 2012 22: 01
          0
          Learn to write in Russian, then you'll say something.
  15. does it
    does it 23 October 2012 11: 46
    -3
    definitely! these Pussy Riot repeated someone’s feat !!!
  16. Berkut_64
    Berkut_64 23 October 2012 11: 49
    +7
    Russian officers have long been traded for political prostitutes and glamorous showmen (Mens)
  17. Ares1
    Ares1 23 October 2012 12: 01
    +3
    The example of Leonid Ivashov is the very rare case of serving the Motherland. And, as soon as a not entirely military man (S. Ivanov) became the Minister of Defense, purges immediately began among the senior officers in the Ministry of Defense. And people were appointed to the vacancies, to put it mildly, not experienced and not military. The same story is with Leonid Grigorievich - he was fired from the army, as acting in the position that he held. And how did IO become? Just. More than 50 people (senior military leaders of the Ministry of Defense) were relieved of their posts by the decree of President V.V. Putin and transferred to the rank of IO. And so quietly they were merged. The IO cannot even file an appeal against dismissal. Competently. Lost another military expert. And when a furniture cooperative was admitted to the ministerial portfolio, then ... I don't want to talk about sad things. By the way, Ivashov was not even allowed to participate in the presidential elections before Bleziru - he was denied registration as a candidate due to the fact that the CEC was not properly notified of the meeting of the initiative group for the nomination of Ivashov ... Also competently. Still, how to admit that the chairman of the "Union of the Russian People" may even try to register as a presidential candidate for the country of the very Russian people?
    Swamp, not Swamp ... Opposition, not opposition ... Fingers of one hand. And one hand rules them. But the fingers of the other hand are not needed. They don’t even want to let them in for a cannon shot - for they know that if Russian fingers squeeze the enemy’s throat, they will reap until victory. The enemy will not pass, the victory will be ours!
  18. leon-iv
    leon-iv 23 October 2012 12: 14
    -5
    MMM Topvar is such a topvar.
    You would first study the case and then speak.
    For example, do you know if Khabarov is in military service?
    If so, then you would know what rebellion preparation is and what follows.
    Yes, Khabarov had no such "special" position. His political position is that he continues to serve.
    Who?
    These are passionaries who are fighting for their Fatherland, for its better future, and now they are trying to extinguish, exterminate, keep them in prisons, so that the "bulk" and "daredevils" will be symbols of the struggle for Russia. This is a substitution, a substitution of heroes.
    Urgent read Gumilyov. As always, I misinterpreted everything.
    people who understand that today Russia is colonized, occupied — they are trying to isolate them.
    Who is this?
    Today, the latter has finally destroyed the army, and now there is someone to judge for treason, for undermining defenses - he destroyed intelligence, destroyed the control system, destroyed military education, military science.
    Especially touching are the recent Strategic Missile Forces exercises. These are of course the consequences of a shattered daa system.
    "Pussy Riot" was trumpeted all over the world and for almost a year now this process has been twisted everywhere
    I note that initially it was promoted by the liberal intelligentsia. But from the point of view of the danger of society, TP from the guns is much more dangerous than even a rebellion of a military unit.

    Threat any power will hide the rebellion or its attempt. And if it is known, then punish the guilty
    here is an example from the USSR
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0
    %B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%C2%AB%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0
    % BC% C2% BB
  19. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 23 October 2012 14: 11
    -2
    A muddy story. We don’t know much. I would not speak exclusively about the version of Chubais’s revenge, and exclusively about the version of the uprising. I think there are many things that do not make these officers clean. But of power this, of course, can always be said in general.

    Well, it’s not at all profitable to plant so stupidly, on the other hand. Yes, would be removed in a quiet way in the end. One would die of a heart attack, the other would be in a car accident, and the third would hang himself. And business. Why rattle about a conspiracy? Meaning? Discredit officers in general? In my opinion - so complete nonsense.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 23 October 2012 17: 22
      +1
      What are your dark, bloodthirsty thoughts? Are you by any chance a client of the educational institution "CHI-CHI"? And in general, have you ever been a real officer? Or just on our forum?
  20. nsws3
    nsws3 23 October 2012 14: 22
    +4
    Our television has censorship, only it is located in the area of ​​the states and the promised land, because the media on 90% belong to the Jewish masons and Anglo-Saxons, and they are given the news that is beneficial to them !!!
  21. taseka
    taseka 23 October 2012 19: 03
    +5
    Friend! Fellow soldiers!
    Don’t talk about Pusi and Musi - sukuk anih talk here - after all, our peasant, colonel, paratrooper, who Agan 2 times passed and has a paralyzed arm sniper Dushmansky has - GARDEN !!!!! A person with a capital letter, a patriot of Russia !!!!
    What is going on in Russia ????
    Here is a mirror for you! Today, you will not say anything - tomorrow at 4 they will call for you !!!

    Freedom, Colonel L. Khabarov, 65 years old, paralyzed, - PATRIOT !!!

    Freedom, to the one I know and respect - as an officer of honor !!!
  22. anfreezer
    anfreezer 23 October 2012 20: 12
    +3
    It is a pity not the 17th year ... otherwise I would take the barrel .... Zae ..... oh !!!! Wait for the new 37th ....?! The further, the more the authorities will try to save themselves. 90% of the information flowing on our poor ears from the Russian first (?) Channels is a lie .. Stanislavsky, where are you ..? My throat would have been torn ... I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!
  23. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 23 October 2012 20: 27
    +5
    what is our media it became clear in the first Chechen-bitches they are corrupt, and they press people who are necessary and useful to their homeland secretly and explicitly, remember at least Rokhlin
  24. mazdie
    mazdie 23 October 2012 23: 33
    -1
    The "oppositionists" already enrage neither programs nor ideas, you just shit, and I am a queen !!!
    1. alexander hjcnjd
      alexander hjcnjd 25 October 2012 12: 38
      -1
      Quote: mazdie
      Already "oppositionists" are enraged by neither programs nor ideas
      Oppositionists planted this colonel?
      Quote: mazdie
      no program, no idea, you’re just shit, and I’m the queen !!!
      And you only watch the central channels? And in general, what does the opposition have to do with it, our pro-Putinists "won" the elections, so present all claims to your masters.
      1. mazdie
        mazdie 26 October 2012 00: 00
        -1
        I have no masters, except my mind and heart, and the opposition infuriates me with the fact that apart from shouting it is nothing of itself. A lot of noise - and who orders the music did you think? Offer your ideas (a concrete plan of action) and can people follow you?
        1. alexander hjcnjd
          alexander hjcnjd 29 October 2012 16: 30
          0
          Quote: mazdie
          the opposition infuriates with the fact that apart from shouting it is nothing of itself.
          Did you watch it on NTV?
          Quote: mazdie
          A lot of noise - and who orders the music did you think?
          oh yes again the image of the enemy. did you watch this on NTV?
          Quote: mazdie
          I have no masters except my mind and heart,
          stupidity is your master, if you can’t analyze it yourself.
  25. Magadan
    Magadan 23 October 2012 23: 43
    -1
    Guys, I'm talking about the "Tsar and the Boyars" again. Do you yourself believe that even the smartest and most honest child prodigy, being in power, can simultaneously monitor what 200-500 thousand of his high-ranking subordinates are doing there? Well, well, he took a "good deputy" for himself to put things in order, do you think everything will work out? And what if the best in their cunning Western special services, who have long been adept at organizing the collapse of entire countries from within, are working against you? You understand that these traitors are at the top, they are not on their own, they work for a foreign owner!
    In general, many believe that you can put things in order from above, I personally do not believe in it. Why does Putin not involve people in identifying scum? I cannot understand this. Do you feel sorry for him? Is he afraid that they will start planting again according to anonymous letters? Also nonsense - after all, there are lie detectors and scolpolamines different. In short, Putin does not look like a traitor, and the fifth column in the midst of senior bureaucrats is evident. Crap is complete, but something needs to be done. And do without revolution, because after the revolution, the very scum that hid, always come to power.
  26. Mikhail Yurievich Orlov
    Mikhail Yurievich Orlov 24 August 2017 18: 58
    0
    I agree with the general in managing the country of mediocrity and thieves. And these criminal cases against people respected are instituted by the enemies of Russia and this does not fit in with Putin’s words about patriotism and Russia's service. You need to let people go, and put Chubais as the customer and other persons involved falsification of criminal cases.