How the West sees the end of NWO

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Today, the media is simply teeming with materials about mobilization. Western publications are hard at work dispersing the myth of mass protests. About the flight of men from Russia. Our press tells about the dispatches of those called up to the NVO zone, about the queues at the military registration and enlistment offices. Nothing unusual. That same information war in action. At the same time, the sending of replenishment is in full swing.

It is clear that in such a situation, not only positive, but also negative qualities of people really manifest themselves. There are those who, like fishermen in Primorye and Siberia, came to the military registration and enlistment offices without a summons. And there are those who really run to escape the mobilization. So it was and always will be. People are different. We'll figure it out later, after the victory.



I was also interested in another question. How do they react to events at the very top of the Western, especially the American, political elite.
How the West sees the end of NWO

It is clear that the resources of the West are not unlimited. In addition, military operations will very soon have to be carried out in winter conditions. And this fundamentally changes the situation. The West is not ready for such a war. The situation is somewhat reminiscent of World War II. More precisely 1941 ...

It is clear that the understanding of the fact that the war must somehow be ended must somehow change the attitude of the Western political elite towards the conflict. In order to understand this, you need to carefully read what the most titled and exclusive journalists write. In the US, there is a very simple criterion for selecting such journalists. These are those who are "read by the president."

One of these journalists, Thomas Friedman, recently wrote an interesting piece called "Three Ways to End Putin's Operation." Friedman is truly a high-flying journalist, a long-term columnist for The New York Times, a three-time Pulitzer Prize winner, and a specialist in the Middle East. Let's see what this American political commentator writes about.

The war must end


The beginning of the material is a little shocking for Russian readers. Let me remind you that the article by Thomas Friedman was published on September 20. So it's about the past week. And all this week, Friedman talked with leading European politicians.

“In short, for Putin, this was the worst week since the beginning of the special operation, in which there is no wisdom, no justice, no mercy, no plan B.”

What happened last week so terrible for President Putin? First of all, here, it seems to me, is the lack of understanding of Ukrainian realities. A sort of "war on the map" in the head of the author. The worst thing was... the loss of part of the previously liberated territories. Simply put, the same Ukrainian offensive.

But even more frightened Vladimir Putin, according to Friedman, the leaders of China and India!.. And again, attention, this is written by one of the leading journalists in the West. I am not inclined to think that a journalist of a sufficiently serious level, who has lived a long and eventful life, has sunk into primitive lies. Most likely, this is a lack of information or its one-sidedness.

“And the leaders of China and India have made it pretty clear to Vladimir Putin that the rise in food and energy prices caused by his military operation is hurting their populations of 2,7 billion people.”

I wonder how an increase in the supply of energy and food, and even with huge discounts, can increase the prices of these resources? The author is clearly distorting, transferring the situation in Western Europe to Asia.

By the way, it was in Friedman's material that I found an explanation for the actions of our former prima donna. Somehow it was not particularly believed that she was not aware of what she was doing. Realizes and does it consciously. With her statements, according to an American journalist, she really spoils the mood of President Putin:

“Among other things, one of the Russian pop icons told her 3,4 million followers on Instagram (banned in Russia) that the military conflict “turns the country into a pariah and worsens the lives of citizens.”

And finally, about the most important thing. Thomas Friedman is well aware that the coming winter will be tragic for Ukraine and Europe as a whole. It will come back to haunt the US as well. The rupture of economic relations with Russia, the refusal to cooperate in many sectors are leading to a serious decline in the standard of living in the West, and it is not yet clear whether the Europeans and Americans will withstand this.

“...during the conversations, I identified three possible outcomes. Some were brand new, some familiar, but all came with complex and unpredictable side effects.”

Again attention. Three options for the development of events, but not a single option that considers the possibility of Russia's victory in this confrontation.

“Outcome 1. Total victory for Ukraine, which could cause Putin to do something crazy, facing the prospect of defeat and humiliation.

Outcome 2: A dirty deal that sees Putin achieve a ceasefire and stop his destructive activities. But it is dividing Western allies and infuriating many Ukrainians.

Outcome 3. Less dirty deal. We are returning to where everyone was before the start of Putin's operation. Ukraine can put up with it. Maybe even the Russian people will come to terms with this, but first it will be necessary to overthrow Putin, since he will by no means admit that this adventure of his was completely in vain.

I think now many readers have come a kind of stupor of thinking. As they said in the old days, the mind has gone beyond the mind. It seems to be logical, but ... fantastic. Yes, and the conclusions, from the point of view of the Russians, look like some kind of "hares". They have been “pulled by the ears” for a very long time.

Russians can't think logically, but... they know how to bluff


Let's try to understand Friedman's logic. Let's analyze all three scenarios point by point. But, first of all, let me express my opinion about the changes in the essence of the military conflict in Ukraine. In my opinion, we have been at war with the West for quite some time now. Not with Ukraine, but with the West. We did not start this war, but we must end it.

That is why Western journalists actually talk about it. They, including Fridman, are talking about the victory of the global West. I fully understand the patriotism of the American journalist. I understand his faith in the victory of his country, the victory of the political system that exists in this country. But I am Russian, and I also believe in our victory.

So, the first version of the end of the war. The defeat of Russia and forcing her to make peace on the terms of the West. In my opinion, this point of view is already outdated. I wrote that the APU is running out of steam.

Those actions that the Ukrainians are positioning as an offensive look more like a PR stunt than a real military operation. The allied forces do not even allow for local victories and are engaged in the methodical destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

What are the arguments of the supporters of this point of view based on? Friedman answers this quite specifically. The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will cause panic among the allies, and they will run. Interestingly, an American journalist has seen at least once a video from the divisions of the Republicans, from the divisions of the Russian army, from the divisions of the Kadyrovites, from the Wagner PMC. Will these run? Oh well...

“People will not be silent, and every Russian soldier or Russian-speaking Ukrainian who sided with Putin is probably thinking: what to do, stay or run? Who will protect me if the front is breached? Such an alliance is not at all protected from disintegration. At first it happens slowly, and then quickly. Watch what happens."

I don't think it's worth discussing this option any further.

So let's move on to a more realistic, but also at the moment fantastic, version of the dirty deal. A variant in which the power in Kyiv will be swept away by the Ukrainians themselves, and a split will occur in the EU and NATO. Here, even Thomas Friedman himself says that such an "outcome is unlikely, and one should not place special hopes on it."

It is clear that the problems with gas in Europe have created a lot of additional dangers for Western politicians, and it is quite possible that some of them, in an effort to maintain power, will bow to President Putin and bargain gas supplies for their countries. This is clear to the Americans as well. Words and threats will not warm people and will not launch energy-intensive industries.

The reasoning of the American about the goals of the EU and Ukraine is interesting. He practically agrees with Putin in his assessment of the situation, but draws completely different conclusions. Kyiv's goals remain as unrealizable as they were before. The capture of the republics, the expulsion of Russians from the Crimea, the annexation of some "primordially Ukrainian lands" and other nonsense. Even in the USA they laugh at this.

But the goals of the EU and NATO have changed. The Alliance continues to help Kyiv. But this help is more and more reminiscent of handouts to a beggar so that he does not die on the threshold of a European home. In fact, European politicians, I do not mean microbes from the Baltics, Poles and other Moldovans, who can hardly be classified as serious politicians, have long been looking for ways to improve relations with Russia.

Europe does not want hostilities to be transferred to its territory. There is an understanding that, with all the ambitions, the European armies will not be able to resist the Russian one. Yes, and overpopulation in Europe plays an important role. Huge loss of population, destruction of the economy and sliding back to the beginning of the last century…

Hence the behavior of European leaders. On the one hand, they succumb to US pressure, and on the other hand, they are ready to pay to maintain the status quo in their countries. It is quite a normal desire for any patriot of his country. Preserve what is inherited from the ancestors. And increase if possible.

The only country for which the continuation of the war and the deployment of hostilities in the European theater is good is the United States. The weakening of Russia and the destruction of European competitors, which is better ... Nothing new, the same option that the United States has already worked out in the First and Second World Wars.

Well, does President Putin need it? Do we need peace right now? I often ask this question to my interlocutors. And the answer is completely different. From Lenin's "peace at any cost" to Zhirinovsky's "we will wash our boots in ... the ocean." But almost every week the president answers this question in the same way. The objectives of the operation must be achieved!

Do I need to explain to someone the position of the President of Russia? I don't think it's necessary. In general, according to the second option for ending the CBO, I can conclude that politicians do not want to "separate the flies from the cutlets." They view the fighting in Ukraine as just a part of the global, that same hybrid war between the West and Russia.

Russia, of course, will not accept such a peace. This is not the world. This is another postponement of the war, which the West is using to re-pump Ukraine with weapons and troops. We've been through this several times already.

But Thomas Friedman considers this option the most probable! More precisely, this option is the only one in which, even if he loses on the whole, President Putin will “save face”, later telling his people that the West made concessions and did not have to use nuclear weapons. weapon.

“Putin appears to be aiming for just such an outcome, judging by the decision announced on Wednesday to call on thousands of reservists.”

Well, the third option. We will return everything to the situation that was on February 24th. And President Putin will make a new appeal to the people, where he will say that we have lost thousands of soldiers, hundreds of aircraft, tanks and other technology. Sanctions were imposed against us, and it was all a mistake... Don't smile, a serious American journalist writes about this!

And Putin's speech is more of a fiction than a possible development of events. Here events will develop in a completely different scenario. 1945 Only instead of the Germans there will be Russians. Documented, and we already know how the West does it, the crimes of the "Putin regime", the search and trial of "war criminals" and so on.

This is how the West sees the end of a special military operation. I repeat and say that Thomas Friedman is not just a journalist, but a legend of journalism. A person who personally knows many Western politicians. Therefore, what he wrote about is not so much his personal reasoning, but the opinions of current politicians. Which of these opinions will eventually win and be implemented, I do not know.

Instead of continuing


It was really interesting for me to read the materials that today form the opinion of not only the Western man in the street, but also Western politicians. But, in particular, the article under consideration completely lacks the option in which the majority of Russians are sure. Our victory option.

Is the West so confident in its strength and effectiveness of sanctions? Or is he sure that Russia will not be able to wage a serious war, and the population of our country will really overthrow the president and government? Most likely it is fear. Fear and wishful thinking. It is highly doubtful that serious politicians believe the delirium of Russian liberals who have fled Russia.

I look closely at how mobilization is going on in Russia. To be honest, I didn't see the panic. Everything goes on as usual. Yes, people are serious. Yes, anxiety for their relatives and friends is present. But there is no panic that Western media write about. And the fact that some part of “like men” is running away from the country is quite predictable. So it was, is and will be at all times. There are always people and people. The men are leaving. Leave to win.

Let me write a short continuation of the article for our readers.

“Exodus 4. This is the worst scenario ever predicted by the late Vladimir Zhirinovsky. True, it was not fully implemented. So, Russia achieves all the goals set by the president. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are laying down their arms, nationalists and fascists are being tried by a military tribunal. Zelensky is under arrest. An international tribunal is being prepared. Referendums are held in the country on the further choice of the form of government.

In Washington and Western capitals, politicians understand that the game is up. The collective West sends congratulations to the Russian President and the Russian people on historical victory over the nationalist regime. At the same time, in every possible way emphasizing the fact that in the XNUMXth century we twisted the head of German fascism together.

The leaders of Western states come to Moscow en masse for a personal meeting with the President of Russia. Everyone pretends that nothing extraordinary happened. There were no sanctions, there were no arms deliveries, there were no instructors, etc. The remnants of relations between the countries are being restored. There are prospects for the development of economic relations...”


In my opinion, this scenario will be implemented ...
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  1. +3
    29 September 2022 05: 55
    In Washington and Western capitals, politicians understand that the game is up. The collective West sends congratulations to the Russian President and the Russian people on the historic victory over the nationalist regime. At the same time, in every possible way emphasizing the fact that in the XNUMXth century we twisted the head of German fascism together.

    The leaders of Western states come to Moscow en masse for a personal meeting with the President of Russia. Everyone pretends that nothing extraordinary happened. There were no sanctions, there were no arms deliveries, there were no instructors, etc. The remnants of relations between the countries are being restored. There are prospects for the development of economic relations...”

    My opinion: this option should not be allowed. The West cannot be allowed to get away with it once again. I believe that we will win, but after the victory it is impossible to approach the enemy again. With those who are now helping Nazism with all their might, the conversation should be from the position of the winner. International Tribunal? Should definitely take place. But not only for Ukrainian nationalists, but also for those who supplied them with weapons. Trade connections? No problem. On our terms. After everything destroyed in Ukraine will be restored at the expense of the United States and NATO countries. Former NATO, since one of the most important conditions should be the complete withdrawal of US troops from Europe, and the dissolution of the North Atlantic bloc. And then you can talk, we are not them, we are kind, although we do not forget anything.
    1. +15
      29 September 2022 06: 08
      Yes, you are an optimist! However, like the author. Someone said that war is money, money and money. Our budget is already in deficit, after the payment of dividends and the MET, Gazprom's profits will remain crumbs, and more or less profitable enterprises are subject to heavy taxes. Even the increase in tariffs for utilities was introduced earlier. Plus, a gas baton, SP1 was blown up. Now, partners, China and Turkey will twist their hands even more with prices. Moscow exchange collapsed to the level of 1998. No if there is an optimistic financial scenario please correct me.
      1. +10
        29 September 2022 06: 39
        Quote: ASAD
        Yes, you are an optimist! However, like the author. Someone said that war is money, money and money. Our budget is already in deficit, after the payment of dividends and the MET, Gazprom's profits will remain crumbs, and more or less profitable enterprises are subject to heavy taxes. Even the increase in tariffs for utilities was introduced earlier. Plus, a gas baton, SP1 was blown up. Now, partners, China and Turkey will twist their hands even more with prices. Moscow exchange collapsed to the level of 1998. No if there is an optimistic financial scenario please correct me.

        I don’t understand how the cost of tanks can be measured during a war .... IMHO, if a country is under martial law, then the cost of a tank is equal to the cost of grubs for miners, metallurgists, machine operators, plus those who provide. Not this way? But, IMHO, a tank in wartime cannot cost as much as in peacetime. In peace - money, in the military - labor hours. I'm wrong? Explain.
        1. +15
          29 September 2022 06: 43
          When there was the USSR, yes it was, but now every enterprise has an “owner” who needs profit. Capitalism is his mother!
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          2. +30
            29 September 2022 08: 02
            During the Great Patriotic War, Hitler's German capitalism fought against Stalin's Soviet socialism.
            Socialism won, using its advantages. They crushed the Fritz with a steel roller of their equipment, especially tanks and artillery. The rear of the USSR was strong and reliable (not without the participation of the "bloody hell"), no one complained about the lack of lobsters and the inability to teach their children in the USA. The great artists and talents of Russia gave money for tank columns and aircraft.

            What now. Two identical oligarchic CAPITALIST (market) systems (the West and Russia) grappled in a deadly fight. Russia's wealthy complain about the difficulties with lobsters, and many have been banned from sending their offspring to the United States through sanctions.

            The prima prima of the Russian stage, who have been snickering abroad, publicly carry all sorts of crap from the stage. The oligarchs have boarded their opulent yachts at the price of aircraft carriers and are nervously counting the money hidden offshore. They are afraid even to lay a finger on them - the captains of the Russian market economy. They have only losses and troubles from the war. There is no rear.

            1. +7
              29 September 2022 10: 16
              And what do the Western rich, damned capitalists? The ones that will sell their mother for 300% of the profit? Do they complain that billions from the supply of Coca-Cola to Russia have disappeared?
              Or are they completely different capitalists, not like ours?
              Or maybe it's not about socialism / capitalism, but about the competent management of all these processes?
              1. +17
                29 September 2022 10: 32
                Let's be honest, honestly.
                Capitalist Russia until 1917 successfully blew through all the wars. It is logical to assume that if this system were maintained in 1941, the result would have been the same. I do not believe that such an economy would produce so many aircraft and tanks. The pride of Russian aviation, the Sikorsky airplane "Russian Knight" flew in 1913 on 4 GERMAN Argus Motoren engines.
                So socialism is very much to do with it. I'm not talking about tanks.
                And the royal submarine missile carriers from the father of the tsar are only in novels about an alternative history.
                1. +8
                  29 September 2022 10: 44
                  Let's.
                  The territory of Capitalist Russia until 1917 was larger than the USSR, including Finland, Poland ... Do you agree? And how did it happen if all the wars were blown away? Who created such a huge country?
                  The trouble with Russia is that it is controlled by a rigid vertical of power at all times. A good king (Ivan 4, Peter 1, Catherine 2, ... Stalin) - Russia is developing and growing.
                  Bad Tsar (Nikolai 2, Gorbachev) - Russia is collapsing.
                  And it's not about socialism / capitalism here.
                  1. -5
                    29 September 2022 13: 45
                    And how did tsarist Russia grow territorially?
                    Part of the lands entered voluntarily: Georgia, Kazakhstan asked for it.
                    Siberia - not conquered, but mastered. Who was there to fight? With Tungus?
                    In wars, not so much was gained. Baltic states, Finland, part of Central Asia.
                    In the last century, RI has really not been very lucky in wars. Crimean, Russian-Japanese, World War I...
                    1. +12
                      29 September 2022 13: 59
                      They fought with the Chukchi for 150 years until Catherine bought them all.

                      - not conquered, but mastered.

                      Those were smart heads!
                      Now we would have such people, so as not to conquer, but to develop Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan ...
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2022 14: 13
                        They mastered it, because there was, by and large, no one to fight with. Conflicts with the Chukchi (who took out their neighbors seriously) still do not pull on a full-fledged war. Battles like the Battle of Kulikovo or Borodino somehow did not remain in History.
                        And we will not have enough financial resources to "master", as you suggest, the neighboring "supposedly fast" ones, even if all the oligarchs are dispossessed.
                        All our oligarchs are just half of Elon Musk or Bill Gates, alas. Moneybags on minimum wages... laughing
                    2. +3
                      29 September 2022 22: 20
                      Wars with the Siberian Khanate for 30 years. 200 years of war with the Ottoman Porte, at least 8 wars with Europe (both individual states and coalitions). And yes, I just learned...
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2022 14: 17
                        The Siberian Khanate was not founded by Siberians, but by immigrants from Central Asia. The indigenous just went over to the side of the Russians and very quickly.
                        And what kind of "wars" are these, if the beginning of this SVO (quite successful) was laid by a relatively small PMC Yermak.
                        Turkey and Europe have nothing to do with Siberia.
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                2. +1
                  30 September 2022 22: 10
                  In essence, there were not many wars between the capitalist and socialist states as such - the Great Patriotic War was an integral part of World War II, where the USSR was part of a coalition in which the rest of the participants were quite capitalist, so it’s hard to add “isms” here. The winter war with Finland can be called a war between a capitalist and a socialist country, but there the ratio of losses not in our favor, with the initial overwhelming inequality of forces, just in our favor was such that arguments about the advantages of socialism over capitalism in the analysis of this war are perceived as a form of mockery and arrogance.
            2. +1
              29 September 2022 14: 25
              During the Great Patriotic War, Hitler's German capitalism fought against Stalin's Soviet socialism.
              Socialism won, using its advantages.


              Well, this is a very free interpretation of history, on our side were the two largest economies of the United States and England, remove Lend-Lease, all the delivered cars, vehicle kits, gunpowder, explosives, etc., and there would be no resources to conduct offensive operations. And Stalin himself said that without American engines we would not have won. And in the USSR, even during the war, questions of cost and prices, etc., did not disappear.
              1. +2
                29 September 2022 19: 08
                Do not, dear, forget that these economies fed not only us, but Germany. Looking out who will take. She took ours, well, then they suffered, to help us. Oh, God forbid, otherwise, what do you think?
                1. -2
                  29 September 2022 22: 06
                  Well, nevertheless, the first convoy from Britain “Dervish” arrived in the USSR on August 31, 1941, that is, the British immediately decided on whose side they were. And probably the USSR most likely fed the German economy with resources, even when Britain was at war with Germany in the Battle of Britain, the USSR supplied Hitler with resources, and in 39 Molotov criticized the British for the war with Hitler:
                  The ideology of Hitlerism, like any other ideological system, can be recognized or denied, this is a matter of political views. But any person will understand that ideology cannot be destroyed by force, it cannot be ended by war. Therefore, it is not only senseless, but also criminal to wage such a war as the war for the destruction of Hitlerism.
              2. -2
                30 September 2022 12: 58
                "... remove Lend-Lease, all the supplied vehicles, vehicle kits, gunpowder, explosives, etc., and there would be no resources to conduct offensive operations."

                In addition to the nonsense of the traitor Rezun and the forger, the juggler Solonin, it is worth listening to Isaev, his special program about Lend-Lease, his role in the Great Victory. Documents and figures - nothing more.
                Watch and listen here:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OISlGvBJadQ

                1. 0
                  30 September 2022 14: 25
                  And Stalin is also a forger when he said that without American engines we would have lost?
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 19: 31
                    According to another version, Zhukov said this. So who spoke and spoke at all - a dark matter.
                    https://warhistory.livejournal.com/74988.html
                    Moreover, in the published memoirs of Zhukov, there is nothing like this.

                    By the way, these words were attributed to Zhukov by another writer and freethinker from history, Boris Sokolov, who was expelled in 2016 from the Free Historical Society for violations of scientific ethics.

                    Truly for some: history is modern politics turned into the past.
              3. 0
                6 October 2022 14: 22
                Well, this is a very free interpretation of history, on our side were the two largest economies of the United States and England, remove Lend-Lease, all the delivered cars, vehicle kits, gunpowder, explosives, etc., and there would be no resources to conduct offensive operations. And Stalin himself said that without American engines we would not have won.


                They were on their side first and foremost. This time. The United States and England did a lot to ensure that the Third Reich took place, they provided Germany with enormous assistance (financial, technological, etc.) These are two. If the USSR had not been able to conduct offensive operations, the "major economies" would have had to deal with the negative consequences of this as well. This is three.
                Stalin simply made a compliment to the allies, he was a good diplomat.
                The words of a diplomat should not always be taken on faith...
            3. +1
              29 September 2022 17: 39
              Of course, the people in the Second World War were golden, no doubt. Now we have a generation that survived the collapse of the country, and then entering the capital system with all its "charms". Where can a completely ideological population come from, and it's so surprising that not all of them are liberals. But the more respect for those who are at the helm - they are fighting with what they have, and not with what they would like.
              1. -1
                7 October 2022 15: 00
                Now we have a generation that survived the collapse of the country, and then entering the capital system with all its "charms".


                Now we have in the Donbass, who came as volunteers:
                - participants of bulkings, with tattoos on their faces;
                - anime people with ears on helmets;
                - kishists;
                - pushers;
                - hipsters (with vape and craft coffee by the way)

                And we have elderly people who have been on duty for eight years, who are now howling from sofas and offering to make peace somehow.

                We live in amazing times, what can I say.
        2. +5
          29 September 2022 07: 53
          Do you write to Uralvagonzavod? Are you already working for "grubs"?
          1. +10
            29 September 2022 09: 25
            Quote: Foundling
            Do you write to Uralvagonzavod? Are you already working for "grubs"?

            No. Not with UVZ. From Yekaterinburg. Until I work for "grubs". For grub during the Second World War. My mother and father worked. Being teenagers. (I clarify so that there are no questions, why not at the front. Mother 1925, father born 1928) And yet, what did I write wrong?
            1. +4
              29 September 2022 09: 47
              For "grubs" it is difficult to force people to work. And they often call meaninglessly. I used to draw some familiar letters correctly on machines, but now they dumped them. It is morally wrong to call for something that you yourself do not do here and now
              1. +4
                29 September 2022 10: 25
                Quote: Foundling
                I was drawn by some familiar correct letters on machines, and now they dumped me.

                And so often it happens ... whoever calls for something most of all or does it for show, as soon as it comes to real deeds, they are immediately blown away and to the side.
              2. -4
                29 September 2022 12: 24
                It is not at all difficult to make work for grub. Declare martial law and execution for parasitism. Everything.
                1. +1
                  29 September 2022 12: 38
                  No matter how you start. didn't think about it?
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2022 04: 12
                    I thought the stump was clear. I am no different from other people. It will be necessary, they will put it to the machine in the same way, they will not ask my desire.
                    And what did you want to say?
                    1. 0
                      8 October 2022 08: 55
                      We will discuss this when "they put me to work for grub." To call for something that you do not do yourself here and now is empty
            2. 0
              29 September 2022 10: 39
              And they have no other arguments against. Equal to themselves. It's time to move on to name-calling or attempts at wit.
        3. +2
          29 September 2022 10: 53
          And have we introduced martial law? And let me remind you that no one uses the term "war". Have our miners, metallurgists, "machinists" began to work only for grub?
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      2. +5
        29 September 2022 07: 50
        Not quite like that, or rather not quite like that. Here is a fact. In the opinion of NOT PRO-KREMLIN, but quite competent economists, it does not matter that their conclusions were voiced by pro-Kremlin..., the economic downturn in Russia this year will be only about 3%. How so? Trade with the West has been obscenely reduced, so that even the dollar and the euro have fallen, the trade in cars has come to naught. And so... It is believed that the main obstacle to avoiding dependence on oil revenues is the narrowness of the domestic market, but with the start of the NWO, the defense industry is working 24/7, the restoration of Donbass needs cement, rebar..., which means an increase in demand for these materials. As for the capitalists you mentioned, they were told that evading a defense order is a criminal offense. Compare what the United States was before World War II, and what it has become. Since the war is still being waged on foreign territory, the analogy is appropriate.
        1. -3
          29 September 2022 08: 17
          The sale of fittings to Europe and the Donbass are two huge differences, in the first case these are huge profits, and in the second they are on the verge of cost. $ 14 billion was calculated for the restoration of Mariupol, the data here on VO were, why I don’t know in dollars. If I paid money foreign capital then yes! If we also liberate Nikolaev and Odessa. I think our economy is getting worse.
          1. +1
            29 September 2022 08: 48
            Getting huge profits by whom? Right company. What will she do with these profits, bearing in mind that in Russia it will be difficult for her to spend the profits in view of the narrowness of the domestic market. That's right, it will take you offshore. Does society need it? The answer is clear. If the capitalist receives a state order for fittings for the restoration of Mariupol, he will do it. He will pay for the metal, wages for workers, taxes. There is no need to worry about the fact that the state does not have enough money. The Soviet state, having a deficit budget, had many tools to cover it. From the price of vodka, who is preventing nationalization now?, to the issuance of a state loan from the population, try not to sign!
            1. +7
              29 September 2022 09: 12
              The Soviet state, having a deficit budget, had many tools to cover it.

              It's not just about alignment. Capitalism also knows how to switch to a war footing and a planned economy and tightly regulate finances.
              The fact is that we do not even know how our government works. What are the forecasts? How many of them decide our and their fate? 3 tens from the Forbes list, 5 tens? Are they united, are there groups, who is Putin (a pawn or a queen), and to whom are the security forces and the people stationed there subordinate? We don't know shit. And if suddenly their goals are not for 100 years in Russia, but for only ten and anywhere,
              but with dough. And what can you predict here, not really knowing this cuisine.
      3. +1
        29 September 2022 08: 14
        I don’t understand, who are you - Abramovich? Do you need dollars, euros, pounds to pay for a yacht, a football club or something else? You still have not understood that this money is not needed in Russia: there is nothing to buy with it - an embargo. Accordingly, there is no need to sell to Europe and the States. Well, who will die first, "we'll see." And who will twist the hands of whom, too.
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 08: 29
          There are no restrictions on medicines, seeds, currency is needed for parallel imports, and China and India do not disdain dollars. And Iran is even more so with sanctions. And Russia, thank God, is not the DPRK yet.
          1. +1
            29 September 2022 14: 32
            And how much Western currency is needed there? But it is time for Russia to stop deliveries to the United States of enriched uranium for nuclear power plants (20% of all uranium for American nuclear power plants), as well as rolled aluminum, titanium products for Boeing, and so on, the list is huge.
      4. +6
        29 September 2022 08: 34
        Quote: ASAD
        Moscow exchange collapsed to the level of 1998. No if there is an optimistic financial scenario please correct me.

        What kind of nonsense? The current level of the Moscow Exchange is 1998 times higher than the level of XNUMX.
        1. -5
          29 September 2022 08: 46
          I made a mistake in the morning, but you must agree that it is not evening yet. Major events in the near future.
          1. +4
            29 September 2022 08: 53
            Quote: ASAD
            I made a mistake in the morning, but you must agree that it is not evening yet. Major events in the near future.

            Yes, a radical restructuring of the world economy is coming, and in this situation it makes no sense to predict something based on indices and exchange rates. "The transition of quantity into quality," as the clever classics claimed. And this will affect not only Russia. Rather, Russia to a lesser extent.
            1. +1
              29 September 2022 09: 27
              I agree that we have huge resources in our assets, and this is better and more reliable than digitally printed money supply.
      5. -6
        29 September 2022 10: 20
        Quote: ASAD
        Yes, you are an optimist! However, like the author. Someone said that war is money, money and money. Our budget is already in deficit, after the payment of dividends and the MET, Gazprom's profits will remain crumbs, and more or less profitable enterprises are subject to heavy taxes. Even the increase in tariffs for utilities was introduced earlier. Plus, a gas baton, SP1 was blown up. Now, partners, China and Turkey will twist their hands even more with prices. Moscow exchange collapsed to the level of 1998. No if there is an optimistic financial scenario please correct me.

        He is a super-optimist, but you are a super-pessimist, which is no better.
      6. -3
        29 September 2022 10: 26
        Where, good sir, did you get such data on the deficit budget? In manuals?
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 17: 13
          Russia's budget deficit in 2022 will amount to 0,9 percent of GDP or 1,3 trillion rubles


          In the period of 2023, 2024 and 2025, the budget of the Russian Federation will also be executed with a deficit. It will amount to 2% of GDP, or 2,925 trillion rubles, 1,4% of GDP, or 2,193 trillion, and 0,7% of GDP, or 1,264 trillion, respectively.


          https://ria.ru/20220922/byudzhet-1818677897.html
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 17: 46
            Some kind of optimistic forecast .... It is clear why, but still optimistic ....
          2. 0
            30 September 2022 10: 41
            Oh, will it be later? Good argument.
      7. 0
        30 September 2022 18: 56
        These are the words of Charles XII, for those who do not remember history.
        But to the Grandfather-Amateur: you can graduate from HVO in Hawaii.
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    3. +2
      29 September 2022 10: 19
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      After everything destroyed in Ukraine will be restored at the expense of the United States and NATO countries. Former NATO, since one of the most important conditions should be the complete withdrawal of US troops from Europe, and the dissolution of the North Atlantic bloc.

      You have to live in the real world, not in a fictional one.
    4. +1
      29 September 2022 10: 21
      The West will come out dry. Just like in World War II. They have the MH17 case hanging in their stash. This is reliable insurance. This is a pistol at the temple of Ukrainian Nazism. With a cocked cock. In this regard, we cannot beat them, they provide for any options.
    5. +2
      29 September 2022 10: 38
      Without a third world, the West will not fulfill your requirements. In Ukraine, we will defeat the Nazis of Ukraine, who are supported by the West! How, on the basis of the victory over Ukroreich, to put forward demands to third countries? No. Ukraine, this is an abscess preventing us from cooperating normally with the EU! The EU is also interested in cooperation! For cooperation leads to the well-being of all! fellow
    6. -1
      29 September 2022 11: 43
      I join, but not an optimist, but rather a dreamer. Your commentary is more fantastic than Staver's articles, by golly.
  2. -5
    29 September 2022 05: 56
    You can't be serious.
    You are a dreamer.
    1. +2
      29 September 2022 06: 20
      in Friedman's material
      His reasoning is sucked out of a finger, or from something else wassat
      I was especially struck by Putin's reaction to the statement of an elderly senile - the poor fellow does not sleep, does not eat ... The respected Staver should not have wasted time analyzing this opus. hi
      1. +2
        29 September 2022 09: 30
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        ... The respected Staver should not waste time analyzing this opus. hi

        Greetings Vladimir Vladimirovich! The senile opus is just an example of a paid action, it was not composed by herself, so that there would be nothing to complain about. How many more of these paid ones will get out and get out hi
        1. +1
          29 September 2022 14: 18
          Quote: Reptiloid
          get out and get out

          And even more shattered!
          Hello Dima ! hi
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 15: 59
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            ... And even more shattered! ....

            On this occasion, Old Man said that many who left in 2020 want to return. And he is against it.
            If only our people would remember about philosophical ships! And here already many themselves ran away without waiting for passages. And good.
  3. +8
    29 September 2022 06: 07
    I read this article by Friedman out of curiosity ... I laughed of course ... this journalist lives in his own virtual world and writes the same virtual delusional conclusions ... he doesn’t pull on the titled ... he doesn’t apply either numbers, or graphs, or justifications for his conclusions ... in short, some Anglo-Saxon Wishlist.
    I would advise him to hit the road for a couple of weeks in the zone of clashes between our troops and the Armed Forces of Ukraine and draw at least one conclusion on his holey skin ... if he remains alive, of course.
    1. +2
      29 September 2022 06: 25
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I read this article by Friedman out of curiosity ... I laughed of course ... this journalist lives in his own virtual world and writes the same virtual delusional conclusions ... he doesn’t draw on a titled one ....


      Question. And WHY argue with such poor people? In the Russian Federation, there are enough of their "violent optimists". They would have to prescribe two tablespoons of "Rybar" in the morning - they would come to reality.
      1. -2
        29 September 2022 09: 54
        Quote: samarin1969
        And WHY argue with such poor people?

        You didn't read the beginning of the article carefully. This "wretched" journalist is one of the most respected military (once) journalists and political analysts in the United States. He is really read and revered by the Biden generation and a little younger. By the way, he was born in 1953.
  4. -7
    29 September 2022 06: 16
    Zhirinovsky predicted that we would wash our boots in the Indian Ocean. If this happens, then Russia will no longer exist. This will be the end of the Roman Empire. Neither in our country, nor in America, few people read these visionaries. Now people generally do not like to read. They watch TV. Groups of people know about the end of the war. Listen only to those you trust. There are too many bots out there.
  5. +2
    29 September 2022 06: 35
    Whatever, and when this NWO ends, there will be no winners in it. The Russian enemies of the USSR will not be able to achieve their original goals - to take all of Ukraine, the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR will lose part of the territory of Ukraine, and the Russian Federation and Ukraine will suffer enormous material and human damage. And the Russian Federation is also reputational and technological.
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 08: 26
      The US really won't lose until a semblance of the Warsaw Pact reappears. Ukraine is an extension of the wall that the US has already built between Europe (Germany) and Russia. This separation is their main goal.
  6. +7
    29 September 2022 06: 47
    There are two options: either he writes for a fee, based on misinformation, or he makes a stuffing on someone's (we will not poke fingers in his direction, this is indecent) order. Quite possibly both at the same time.
  7. +9
    29 September 2022 06: 53
    So, the first version of the end of the war. The defeat of Russia and forcing her to make peace on the terms of the West.
    Defeat is unlikely, but playing for a draw is quite possible, moreover, from the BB and with the mediation of Turkey and possibly China, this option is quite possible.
    In my opinion, this point of view is already outdated. I wrote that the APU is running out of steam.

    They have been writing about this since spring, but the Ukrainians are still carrying out stubborn resistance and offensive operations. So what about exhaling is vryatli.

    Those actions that the Ukrainians are positioning as an offensive look more like a PR stunt than a real military operation. The allied forces do not even allow for local victories and are engaged in the methodical destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    That is, according to the author, part of the occupied Kharkiv region that ours successfully left, that is, they regrouped, or rather fled, is this a PR move by the Ukrainians !?
    Interestingly, an American journalist has seen at least once a video from the divisions of the Republicans, from the divisions of the Russian army, from the divisions of the Kadyrovites, from the Wagner PMC. Will these run? Oh well...
    Definitely the allied forces themselves will not run! The author, didn’t you think that purely hypothetically, on certain agreements, from above they might give an order for another regrouping !?

    Europe does not want hostilities to be transferred to its territory. There is an understanding that, with all the ambitions, the European armies will not be able to resist the Russian one. Yes, and overpopulation in Europe plays an important role. Huge loss of population, destruction of the economy and sliding back to the beginning of the last century…

    Author Are you seriously writing that the NATO bloc will not be able to resist the Russian army !?
    Who, what and how, are you going to fight and most importantly, who will command the Russian army!? That a loaf is vigorous and everything is in ashes at once?
    Considering that our command is normal, they are not able to carry out offensive operations, and as the regrouping of troops in the Kharkov direction has shown, it is also competent to retreat from their positions.
    For eight months they have been constantly fighting in the forehead of the fortified areas of the ukrov. Eight months from Donetsk we cannot drive away the Ukrainians.
    The Alliance continues to help Kyiv. But this help is more and more reminiscent of handouts to a beggar so that he does not die on the threshold of a European home.

    The Alliance helps and this help is working and will work against our troops and it is not yet clear that the Alliance has exhaustion. In winter, most likely there will be Leopards, NATO-style aircraft, modern air defense, as well as thousands of soldiers trained at NATO bases, they already exist, but there will be even more.
    Exodus 4.

    Fantasy and more! No one will let this outcome happen, unless our military-political leadership comes down from the clouds and starts fighting normally. Even if this fantastic option happens, it is unlikely that the sanctions will be lifted immediately, and even more so the heads of the EU and the USA will congratulate and shake hands with the Supreme. Too big a split occurred between the Russian Federation and the West. As soon as politicians change, warming may come.
    1. -2
      29 September 2022 10: 42
      Quote: leks
      The alliance helps and this help is working and will work against our troops and it is not yet clear that the alliance has attrition

      In winter, the economy will not be able to help Ukraine. And you missed one more point. After industry and EU banks transfer their assets to the US. Then the states can easily leave Ukraine, as they once left Vietnam and most recently from Afghanistan.
      1. +2
        29 September 2022 11: 06
        Oh, this belief in winter. But as they say, let's wait and see. Americans will never leave dill. They can leave in the event that the Russian Federation takes all the dill, but so far there are not even prerequisites for this.
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 11: 21
          Quote: leks
          Oh, this belief in winter. But as they say, let's wait and see. Americans will never leave dill. They can leave in the event that the Russian Federation takes all the dill, but so far there are not even prerequisites for this.

          Never say never... and businesses in the EU have already begun to transfer to the US...
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 13: 02
            Never written with an explanation.
            Enterprises began to transfer to the USA what can you name at least one with proofs?
            1. +1
              29 September 2022 17: 31
              Quote: leks
              Enterprises began to transfer to the USA what can you name at least one with proofs?

              Basf has already announced the transfer of business to the United States: they will build factories on 25 billion green.

              Yes, and the same Mercedes and Siemens in the same direction - where did you fall from, this is no news to anyone !!!
      2. +3
        29 September 2022 11: 29
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        Then the states can easily leave Ukraine, as they once left Vietnam and most recently from Afghanistan.

        That is, the cunning plan for victory consists solely in the fact that the enemy will get bored and leave on his own? Great plan!
  8. +1
    29 September 2022 06: 54
    the victory of the political system that exists in this country.
    Is Russia socialism? smile
  9. +5
    29 September 2022 07: 26
    Why even post this article here?
  10. 0
    29 September 2022 07: 33
    Alexander, I also read the Western press. It is based on two principles: A. If the United States has an uncomfortable problem where they can lose, it is not discussed. B The problem can only be discussed in the light of isolation from reality, if this does not work, see point A. They are in their own parallel world, where only they can use strategic nuclear forces.
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 09: 58
      The enemy must be studied in order to understand
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 10: 08
        We are trying our best in retirement. good
  11. +6
    29 September 2022 07: 33
    In my opinion, this scenario will be implemented ...

    It is fantastic. Judging by recent events, not even scientific. Something of their spirit "in a galaxy far, far away..."
    Rather, there will be several coups in the EU due to economic problems. The terrorist attack on the northern streams also poured gasoline there. Europe is facing an era of survival.
    And the USA... they seem to continue to play to the last: Ukrainian, German, Czech, Italian...
  12. -1
    29 September 2022 07: 50
    Among the "set goals" there is a strong lack of the Odessa region, and some other "little things". In principle, there should not be any access to the sea. But in general, the question is a serious one. To realize at least part of the dreams about which the "mouthpiece of the West" writes, the current situation is completely insufficient. What exactly are they planning to do to force us into such incredible concessions? Moreover, it is necessary to take into account the blown up gas pipelines. After all, this was clearly done in order to pin Europe to the wall. Does this mean that US pressure on European politicians has exhausted itself, and the Americans are losing control over European politics?
    1. -2
      29 September 2022 10: 46
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Does this mean that US pressure on European politicians has exhausted itself, and Americans are losing control over European politics

      And this is just the final nail. For the industrial sector has already begun to transfer assets to the United States, and after them, business will follow ... which, in general, is what the Americans need.
  13. 0
    29 September 2022 08: 05
    How the West sees the end of NWO

    After the sabotage on the JV gas pipeline, there was no doubt for Russia how far the West could go in its adventures. Therefore, neither the Russian authorities nor the Russian people can be interested in the opinion of the West on any issues, including the end of the war in Ukraine.
    90% of site users will agree with your:
    In my opinion, this scenario will be implemented ...

    One question has not been fully resolved: where will the group of anti-Russian citizens go after the capitulation and arrest of Zelensky? There are not a hundred thousand or two hundred, but much more ...
    1. -13
      29 September 2022 08: 43
      Quote: yuriy55
      where will a group of anti-Russian citizens go after the capitulation and arrest of Zelensky?


      Erase the old hieroglyphs and write new ones. Let's call white white, and black - black.

      Seriously, we haven't entered the war yet. So far, we are only providing assistance to independent republics. Our ultimate goal is to push NATO into its original borders.
      1. -1
        29 September 2022 08: 45
        Well, not all people. For 30 years, the enemies of the USSR, who seized the RSFSR, have not managed to zombify the majority of the Russian people for hatred of the Soviet period.
        1. -6
          29 September 2022 08: 59
          To the Trotskyist communists who seized power in 1952, over 70 years never managed to brainwash the people with liberal capitalism. The Bolsheviks saved Russia in civilian life, in the Second World War, and they will save it from Khrushchev's slush, from Brezhnev's degradation and Gorbachev's shootout.
  14. -2
    29 September 2022 08: 13
    As they say, according to the 4th scenario - "your words, yes to God's ears"
  15. 0
    29 September 2022 08: 33
    In the US, there is a very simple criterion for selecting such journalists. These are those who are "read by the president."

    Don't we have such a criterion for journalists, those who are read (watched) by the president? I think everyone knows them too, and they pour such things into their ears that it’s just right to become deaf so as not to listen to them ...
  16. +5
    29 September 2022 08: 36
    To be honest and objective, both the West and Ukraine are currently looking at the situation quite optimistically. And there is a reason. The initiative passed to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the mobilization actually led to the desertion of a dozen armies - up to 300 thousand young healthy men left Russia and tens of thousands more stand in line at the borders. And people in Russia are outraged that the “majors” were allowed to escape: it is clear that foreign cars are abandoned at the Georgian border, buying a bicycle for 100 thousand, not the children of electricians and tractor drivers. And it is not the children of trolleybus drivers or teachers who buy tickets to Turkey for hundreds of thousands of rubles. The authorities, without banning the departure of young healthy men immediately after the start of mobilization, deliberately and cynically left loopholes for the children of officials and "businessmen." And she may not be forgiven for this - when for "their" children there are good foreign hotels, or even villas, and for strangers - dirty cold trenches.
    This, apparently, is the calculation. Such a slap in the face of the people from the authorities can have great consequences.
    1. +2
      29 September 2022 08: 58
      300 thousand young healthy men have left Russia and tens of thousands more are queuing at the borders

      This means that from 300 to 500 thousand people (including their families) believe that this is not their war: foreign territory; the mistakes of our General Staff, which are already obvious even to children; ongoing incomprehensible trading games with the West, impossible during the war by definition ...
      Such a slap in the face of the people from the authorities can have great consequences.

      300 thousand men of working age are a lot for Russia. If they do not return, then a slap in the face of power from its people can have much greater consequences.
  17. +4
    29 September 2022 09: 01
    The author gave out wishful thinking.
  18. BAI
    +2
    29 September 2022 09: 06
    but... they know how to bluff

    Here he is absolutely right. All statements by the Russian leadership on NWO are a bluff. Not a single statement has been made.
  19. ban
    +2
    29 September 2022 09: 14
    Those actions that the Ukrainians are positioning as an offensive look more like a PR stunt than a real military operation. The allied forces do not even allow for local victories and are engaged in the methodical destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.


    Then you can not read the PR article
  20. -3
    29 September 2022 09: 17
    Still, the Americans and the Europeans need to somehow be brought to their senses: these madmen can really start a nuclear war without understanding its consequences. The best thing, perhaps, is to carry out mathematical modeling of the strikes of Russian thermonuclear munitions of maximum yield on various targets. And widely publicize their results. For example, the monobloc warhead R-36 (Voevoda) has a yield of 22 (plus/minus 3) megatons. When two such warheads hit London, the "british woman" will stop shitting, because she will not be there. And it is impossible to repel the blow: the missiles will start in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. "Sarmat" will be even more powerful, as far as is known. NATO threatens to block the Baltic straits for Russian ships. It is necessary to simulate how many and what power of Poseidon charges will be needed to destroy Denmark, Southern Sweden and Norway, when they explode in the straits and open the widest exit to the ocean. Well, the States, of course. There was information that the unit capacity of "Status-6" (aka "Poseidon"?) Can reach (40-50) megatons. It will be interesting to simulate how many such charges, laid along the coast of the United States, will be needed to remove the "lid" (300-500 meters thick) from the mainland with their simultaneous centripetal explosion. How many will it take to activate Yellowstone. And so on. Perhaps Friedman will go away. Although, hardly.
  21. 0
    29 September 2022 09: 20
    The West, led by the United States, will not accept our victory. The world will again be divided into two camps, NATO and the SCO, with those joining both. And a gray zone, neither here nor there. In the middle is all the cream of trade between worlds.
  22. -2
    29 September 2022 09: 23
    This Friedman has completely lost his mind!? Or maybe he still
    and a relative of "our" Friedman ??? He seems to be more cunning, immediately dumped with his friend Aven in London .... and this one is just some kind of dreamer !? Let him hack the truth on his big nose: WE DO NOT GIVE UP, VICTORY WILL BE FOR US!!! LET'S CRUSH THE RESPECT IN ITS LAIR!!! Geirope and AI KRANTS! I wanted to say "KIRDIK" ...
  23. 0
    29 September 2022 09: 27
    The completion of the SVO today means that the war will be postponed. Then the Ukrainians will receive weapons from the West and attack us again.
  24. +4
    29 September 2022 09: 28
    )))
    It seems that the alhistory section is turning into a humorous section. Briefly about reality.
    1. The balance that emerged in the summer is now shifted to the Ukrainian side. Against the background of the battles for Bakhmut that have been going on for more than a week, the Ukrainian side did not begin to establish a front along Oskol in the north and created a threat in the direction of Svatovo - Starobelsk. At the same time, sluggish military operations across the Dnieper continue, in which the Ukrainian side is objectively in more convenient conditions.
    2. According to the statements of the patriotic telegram channels, the damned Americans have read another article by D.I. Medvedev about nuclear ash and checked for lice - blew up gas pipelines. So far (Thursday morning) - the Russian side has not come up with anything better than the next meeting of the UN Security Council. Masha languidly quarrels with the old Polish troll from Twitter. And how much did these pipes cost in tank brigades?
    3. Another major package of arms supplies has been announced. Plans for the 4th quarter and for 2023 are being shaken.
    4. The actions of the Russian political leadership have gone from crazy to desperate. Despite all the efforts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO, in 7 months they have achieved approximately an order of magnitude smaller losses of Russian manpower than Mr. Putin in a week. That's what a great politician means! How many 200+K who have fallen down at the moment will become conditional 300 (will return in a few months), how many will be 200 (they will never return), and how many will stand under the flag of the new ROA - now it’s impossible to guess.
    5. Of the major European countries, the governments of Britain and Italy have changed. Both here and there, the new prime minister declares unconditional support for Ukraine.
    6. The formal bloc of military allies of the Russian Federation - the CSTO - is falling apart. The withdrawal of Kazakhstan and Armenia is being discussed. The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is regulated by the Americans directly, without the participation of the Russian Federation. Tajiks, as usual, are at war with the Kirghiz.
    7. Conditionally neutral China and India make statements in the style of "it's time to finish." The only country that has appeared as an ally of the Russian Federation, at least at the level of arms supplies, is Iran. According to semi-official data, this cunning move unfrozen Israeli supplies to Ukraine - until now, Israel has observed strict neutrality.

    And against this background, does the author expect Biden to give the Russian Federation the New Jersey battleship and sign a surrender on it? Oh well.
    1. -3
      29 September 2022 09: 56
      Quote: Negro
      And how much did these pipes cost in tank brigades?


      No matter. The costs of building them have long been recouped by selling hydrocarbons at higher prices in Asian markets.
      And the damage is more for the Europeans. It will get even colder.

      Despite all the efforts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO, in 7 months they have achieved approximately an order of magnitude smaller losses of Russian manpower than Mr. Putin in a week. That's what a great politician means! How many 200+K who have fallen down at the moment will become conditional 300 (will return in a few months), how many will be 200 (they will never return), and how many will stand under the flag of the new ROA - now it’s impossible to guess.


      About the "new ROA" - specifically smiled. "No, son, this is fantastic!"
      Any losses are more than offset by the growth of the population of the Russian Federation by several million citizens.

      Of the major European countries, the governments of Britain and Italy have changed. Both here and there, the new prime minister declares unconditional support for Ukraine.


      Did the former ones pursue a different policy? Johnson, for example. Nothing at all. laughing
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 10: 10
        Quote: Illanatol
        Did the former ones pursue a different policy?

        The same one. There will be news if deliveries from these countries are increased - there are a lot of opportunities both there and there. However, one of the main fantasies in the mania world is that the Europeans, distraught from the cold, will choose new (or old) shredders who will run to put up. However, the new politicians are doing exactly the opposite.
        Quote: Illanatol
        Any losses are more than offset by the growth of the population of the Russian Federation by several million citizens.

        The losses of people, mostly educated and non-poor, are compensated by the appearance on the territory of the Russian Federation, is it bad or bad, the combat zone and the enemy army? Good joke.
        Quote: Illanatol
        And the damage is more for the Europeans. It will get even colder.

        These are not European pipes, you see. A special anecdote - two pipes remained in operation. One through Ukraine, the second through Poland.
        As for who recaptured what, for some reason little is known that Gazprom has little to do with the carnival on the spot markets. It has long-term prices, especially with China.
        1. -1
          29 September 2022 13: 58
          There is a proverb: "He lies as he breathes." "... deliveries from these countries will be increased - there are a lot of opportunities both there and there." They won’t, they don’t have opportunities: production is not deployed. As the war with Libya of President Gaddafi showed, the bullies (Italy, France, England) had to call for help from the United States, as the bullies ran out of ammunition. "The loss of people, mostly educated and non-poor ...", this is not a loss, but getting rid of the "citizens of the world", the people of the "tumbleweed", the "fifth column" finally.
          1. +2
            29 September 2022 15: 08
            Quote: SavranP
            "The loss of people, mostly educated and non-poor ...", this is not a loss, but getting rid of the "citizens of the world", the people of the "tumbleweed", the "fifth column" finally.

            )))
            You will be very surprised, but a good country differs from a bad one in that people are trying to get there, and not vice versa. And without the participation of the military-civilian administration.
            Quote: SavranP
            because the bullies ran out of ammo

            Are you talking about French problems with precision bombs? You see, they are not yet used in the demilitarization process.
            Quote: SavranP
            will be, they have no opportunities: production is not deployed

            There is no need for this.

            Suppose the beautiful signora Meloni enters the office in mid-October and, in order to return to fascism, hands over all unnecessary junk to the Bandera brothers at once. Namely.
            Air defense of the near zone Skygard - 24 systems (for decommissioning).

            Long-range air defense SAMP / T - one battery from the reserve (4 complexes). When placed in the Ivano-Frankivsk region, it will close the entire Bandera West. Volunteer fascists may be needed, but according to the current realities of the NVO, captivity is unlikely to threaten them.
            Tanks: M60 late modifications 300 pieces, Ariente 60 pieces (all in storage)
            Heavy armored vehicles: Centauro, 260 pieces (to be replaced by Centauro2)
            SAU M109 - 300 pieces (in storage).
            BMP M113 - about 500 pieces (in storage).
            BTR Puma 6x6 - about 300 pieces (in storage).
            155mm art FH70 - about 160 pieces.

            And this is one Italy that is rarely remembered in the context of great military powers. So what are you talking about production?
            1. -1
              29 September 2022 17: 42
              Quote: Negro
              Tanks: M60 late modifications 300 pieces, Ariente 60 pieces (all in storage)
              Heavy armored vehicles: Centauro, 260 pieces (to be replaced by Centauro2)
              SAU M109 - 300 pieces (in storage).
              BMP M113 - about 500 pieces (in storage).
              BTR Puma 6x6 - about 300 pieces (in storage).
              155mm art FH70 - about 160 pieces.

              Especially the M60 ... ndas ... and a lot of this will go, shoot, and they will have enough shells, gasoline and diesel fuel ...
              We also have a lot of things in storage, so what?
        2. -2
          29 September 2022 13: 59
          However, the new politicians are doing exactly the opposite.


          And finish like the old ones. On the pope with a shovel.

          The losses of people, mostly educated and non-poor, are compensated by the appearance on the territory of the Russian Federation, is it bad or bad, the combat zone and the enemy army?


          What are we talking about? About those who run over the hill like rats? Passing crowbar in their back.
          This is our army on the territory of Ukraine, and will remain so.

          These are not European pipes, you see. A special anecdote - two pipes remained in operation. One through Ukraine, the second through Poland.
          As for who recaptured what, for some reason little is known that Gazprom has little to do with the carnival on the spot markets. It has long-term prices, especially with China.


          Actually, partly European too, the Germans also invested.
          Long-term contracts do not exclude good profits. Yes, and trades in hydrocarbons and coal (everything is interconnected), not only Gazprom.
          And deliveries through the remaining pipes ... who do they bring profit to? The case is not the "cursed aggressor"? Special anecdote. tongue
  25. -4
    29 September 2022 09: 30
    To achieve all the goals of the NWO, we must admit that it is not easy, even very difficult. On the one hand, there are some objective facts in Thomas Friedman's analysis, on the other hand, he built these scenarios at the end of the conflict early, because the Russian Federation took even tougher, stronger measures. But at the moment, the situation is such that we can conclude that it will be very difficult. That's why:
    - Everyone knows that this is a war between the Russian Federation and NATO, so the Russian Federation cannot carry it out in a limited way, that is. NWO. And how it should be, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should know this. And you can’t drag it out;
    - Compare the resources of the parties: the NATO blog has more than 1000 billion dollars, the Russian Federation has about 70 billion;
    - The influence of winter and the energy crisis on the general situation at the front in favor of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will hypothetically be, but how much is not yet known;
    - Help and support from friendly countries:
    Not long ago, at the SCO, President Putin acknowledged for the first time China's concern about martial law in Ukraine. And India from October will completely stop buying oil from Russia;
    Among the CSTO countries, none of them expresses support for the NWO;
    - After the sensitive defeats of the RF Armed Forces in the Kharkiv direction and right now in the Liman direction, the mood of the mobilized did not improve, and according to the press, in the last days after the announcement of partial mobilization, only about 100.000 people crossed the border with Kazakhstan.
    It seems that if we see all this, then the more the leadership of the Russian Federation is more visible, and maybe instead of "everything is according to plan", "we are not in a hurry", "we have not started seriously yet", and a constant retreat with the return of the positions occupied will finally be undertaken effective methods that will give results here and now.
  26. -2
    29 September 2022 09: 46
    In my opinion, this scenario will be implemented ...


    One can hope, one cannot count on such a thing!
  27. -1
    29 September 2022 09: 47
    What interests me least of all is the logic or lack of it in Friedman!
  28. +3
    29 September 2022 10: 17
    In my opinion, the author either does not control the situation, or simply sculpts a hunchback ... what is our victory? what are our conditions ... how the Armed Forces of Ukraine ran out of steam, it comes for a second ... what kind of victory will the men go for, who have been told for half a year, there will be no mobilization ... they blatantly lied to ... what resources are the West running out of? What are you talking about? our resources are running out ... and it’s not clear how to get out of this situation at all ... what do you want to say to GDP if you knew that in six months it would be like this, would he start something? Yes, never in his life ... us big shocks are waiting, that's what we can talk about with confidence
  29. +4
    29 September 2022 10: 20
    Here I do not agree. Friedman has long been seen spreading fakes. He was one of those who argued with foam at the mouth that in 2014 Russia used nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Moreover, he referred to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Heletey and the SBU. Yes, and some kind of nuclear experts. Then, when it turned out that it was a fake, he shut up for a couple of months. He also had an assistant, Shekenberg. He generally poisoned such stories
  30. +3
    29 September 2022 10: 20
    Judging by the article, the author is planning to stop at the English Channel or in Wales. More precisely, he has not yet decided. It would be better to describe exactly how he wants to do what he considers a done deal.
  31. 0
    29 September 2022 10: 26
    Scenario 4 is the most likely. And this is understood in the West and the United States. Only now the Ukrainians do not want to accept this and will fight to the last
  32. +2
    29 September 2022 10: 51
    The author is indeed a great optimist.
    Personally, I see the situation somewhat differently.
    CBO has failed completely, and it's hard to deny. Having suffered huge, first of all, reputational losses, the leadership is trying to save face. These are referendums and mobilization.
    And Ukraine has already fulfilled the minimum program, even exceeded it. They said directly that their goal was to let Russia get stuck in the conflict. Moreover, they did not even dream that they would be able to go on the counteroffensive.
    And the situation on the fronts, to put it mildly, is difficult, and not in favor of Russia.
  33. +2
    29 September 2022 11: 18
    The resources of the West are not unlimited, but sufficient.
  34. -1
    29 September 2022 11: 30
    In my opinion, this is exactly the scenario that will be implemented ..

    Winter will show. So far, the amers plan to fight as long as possible. Ukrainians, Balts, Poles, Romanians, until they run out. Whether they succeed depends on whether their puppet European politicians can stay in power (survive the winter).
    They have already achieved their goals - money and production are leaving Europe for the USA, and their dogs are still on a leash, and none of this will change in Europe unless something extraordinary happens - for example, ours decide to free Europe from the American yoke. It’s just that the whole structure of governance in Europe is so deeply grasped by the amers that they will be able to resist the protests of the population with the hands of the population itself (ie, the police and the military), and remove especially active ones, as they are doing now in Ukraine. And only an external force, as it was in Afghanistan, will be able to demolish them, I do not believe in this regard in the European population.
  35. -4
    29 September 2022 11: 41
    This game is much higher order than you imagine. This is Russia's preparation for a future war with China, much very similar to the beginning of the Second World War.
    At first, we were pushed towards rapprochement with China, and now the mobilization of the Russian industry on a war footing is in full swing at the Ukraine training ground, as in Spain, new features of the future war are clearly visible. Warriors are highly technological where there will be no need for huge contingents of troops where each soldier, like a knight of the Middle Ages, is equipped with the latest technology. Mostly adults over 30 fall under the mobilization, those who know what they want and their worth. By the beginning of the war with China, we will already be old men (by the standards of the military) who will already be 50 and we will essentially be the ballast that I am now dumping into the NWO. Our friendship with China is reminiscent of the USSR's friendship with Germany in the 20s. The Chinese Communist Party is becoming more and more like the NSDAP. China knows its weakness, just like the USSR, it is not a mono-ethnic country assembled like a patchwork of continuous contradictions, as soon as they feel the weakness of the center, a squabble of all against all will immediately begin. Therefore, now there is an destruction of small ethnic groups in re-education camps and the artificial creation of a mononation, as in Germany in the 30s. That Europe, that Russia is in the hands of globalists (Satanists) is an expendable material in the highest goal of ruling the world. I won’t be surprised if India, which is now artificially building a mono nation by repressing national minorities and slipping into an openly fascist regime, becomes China’s ally in the New Global War to redistribute the world. As the (prophecy) Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, two armies will come from the east, two peoples before Armageddon and no one will be able to resist them after the second coming of Jesus (Is) the son of Mary (Maryam) after the victory over the Antichrist (dajjal) he will lead an army of Muslims and Christians against them in a great battle. Strangely enough, the Koran says that the Yajuj and Majuj tribes will come from behind the mountains if you look at India and China, they are all surrounded by a chain of mountains and hills from the rest of Eurasia. The Jew is also mired in nationalism racial segregation in Israel and the attempt to build a second temple on the temple mount all oddly echoes the prophecies in other scriptures. PS Nazism is a weapon of Satanists in enslaving people and subjugating them to their will. It is not for nothing that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in his farewell sermon said that no one nation, no one person can be higher than another in position by birthright in that or another nation, race or family or skin color, we all are equal before our Lord and belong to him.
  36. -2
    29 September 2022 12: 00
    In my opinion, this scenario will be implemented ...

    Oh no. If this option is implemented this time we will not stop.
    The dissolution of NATO is such a trifle, it's not even to start negotiations, but to agree to talk on the phone. After all, GDP said the purpose of all this safety the security of people in the DPR and the security of Russia (which is now de jure the same thing).
    Just for some reason, when people talk about goals, they don’t understand that goals come in different plans (orders) and believe that the authorities are confused in goals, but this is not so.

    Objectives of the 1st order to consistently liberate the territories of the LPR and DPR, create Novorossia as part of the Russian Federation, nullify the military potential of Ukraine, plant in Kyiv a government that will not try to fight in Russia (this does not mean loyal to the Russian Federation)

    The goal of the 2nd order is to ensure the physical security of the population in Novorossia, the Russian-speaking population on the territory of the USSR and to ensure the strategic security of the Russian Federation. Strategically, this means that no matter what the West does in the economy, diplomacy, military sphere, it does not pose a threat to the existence of the Russian state. And this is in the perspective of 20-30 years.

    The goal of the 3rd order is to change the world order The US is not a hegemon, Europe is at the level of Africa, China and Russia share the ball without conflict

    The goal of the 4th order (and it appears only at this level) is to change the value structure of our part of the ball. And what there will be for the values ​​I think now no one knows. ABSOLUTELY do not rule out that there will be a second approach to building communism (diamat predicts this) at a completely new level of development of society. But this, as we all understand, will be done by another Supreme.
  37. +2
    29 September 2022 12: 23
    Scenario 4 is excluded. We simply will not be given it, even if it works out. The entry of NATO troops into the 404th, the presentation of a nuclear ultimatum, and so on. The West cannot lose, for them it will be just a disaster. I think the only option that can lead to peace is the Korean scenario. A kind of "38 parallel in Ukrainian." The big question is where it will take place, but, apparently, this is approximately today's front line. The entry of UN troops into the buffer zone, the demilitarization of the zone, the conclusion of an agreement on a ceasefire and the displacement of persons. Conservation of the conflict for decades. Someone will say that this is not the best option, I agree, but this option has 2 important factors: The first one is better than burning everyone in an atomic fire, and the second one is something like a draw. The West will say - look, we stopped Russia, but we will say that we liberated the Donbass and the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, saved many millions of compatriots, the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov is now inland, and so on. Of course, as always happens with a draw, there will be many dissatisfied on both sides, but ... this is not the worst option.
  38. 0
    29 September 2022 12: 50
    Our person. It's time to introduce separate titles and awards for couch experts.
  39. +2
    29 September 2022 12: 57
    It is in vain to hope that scenario 4 will be implemented.
    This is not the Kremlin - yesterday promise one thing, do something completely different and no speeches like "yellow vests" for you

    This is a loss of face from the breakdown of agreements. Respect will cease.
    Nobody went to Iran, for example. To China. To Korea.
    Gas logistics will be established. Without us. The rest of the players will be happy.
    Titanium, uranium, nickel - will be produced. There will be a stronger transition to Green energy. And arm Europe. Together with provocateurs.

    And we will still have all the same "effective managers" with well-fed and well-groomed faces ... With whom China is trying not to do business ....
    You already know them by name...
  40. -2
    29 September 2022 13: 27
    So I think that the partition of Ukraine is the best option. Russia takes away the industrial and coastal zones with the most "Russified" part of the population. Why should she babysit the "evil Bandera"? The immediate military threat is removed for a considerable time. Europe gets the lands that have been aimed at for a long time, while retaining its "face". And for this he recognizes Russia's right to the occupied parts of Ukraine. This has always been the case, and will continue to be so.
  41. -2
    29 September 2022 13: 49
    Quote: dauria
    It's not just about alignment. Capitalism also knows how to switch to a war footing and a planned economy and tightly regulate finances.


    Where was it? In the Third Reich? Or in the US since F. Roosevelt?
    But after Reagan and Thatcher, after the heyday of globalization and offshore, everything is somewhat different.
    Yes, and there is no longer capitalism in the Western world, as it is presented. Postcapitalism, however.
  42. 0
    29 September 2022 14: 00
    The most interesting thing is that they post videos with "fugitive draft dodgers" - so you look and think: "Where will they call you, dear?"
    At work, two IT specialists were sent to Turkey. They do not know languages, they are weak in health.
    They could not wait for the decision of the Guarantor - that IT specialists should not be involved.
    Still, the worst thing is panic.
  43. +2
    29 September 2022 14: 20
    How does the West see the end of the NWO?
    Like the end of the Vietnam War.

    The West is at war with the Russian Federation no more than the Union and China fought with the United States, completely taking over the Viet Cong and the DRV and giving them first junk from WWII, and then more and more modern weapons and instructors.
    Nafig they do not need a nuclear war. They regulate the advancement of Ukrainians and the advancement of our troops by changing the intensity and quality of supplies of equipment for Ukrainians.
    Their task is to drive us into a bloody dead end, and so far they have successfully coped with it.
  44. +1
    29 September 2022 14: 24
    As Mikhalkov's character used to say in blindfolds - you will find a pit with g "out of the blue and drown in it. This is about our ingenious leadership. First, the FSB and Grushniks ran through. Then the military and security forces of all stripes. And finally, they decided to ruin millions of Russians. Criminal negligence and pathological hatred for one's own people, and first of all for the Russians, leads to bad thoughts.
  45. +1
    29 September 2022 14: 34
    Quote: ASAD
    When there was the USSR, yes it was, but now every enterprise has an “owner” who needs profit. Capitalism is his mother!

    And these "owners" will begin sabotage, as it was started in the late 80s by Soviet managers, who thus destroyed the USSR. That's who the most dangerous enemy in our rear!
  46. -2
    29 September 2022 14: 36
    There is no doubt about the theoretical victory of Russia, but I am not very sure about the comprador elite of our country, there is a thin place, it can break there.
  47. 0
    29 September 2022 14: 45
    Quote: DeGreen
    Here I do not agree. Friedman has long been seen spreading fakes. He was one of those who argued with foam at the mouth that in 2014 Russia used nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Moreover, he referred to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Heletey and the SBU. Yes, and some kind of nuclear experts. Then, when it turned out that it was a fake, he shut up for a couple of months. He also had an assistant, Shekenberg. He generally poisoned such stories

    So, after reading the theses of this magazine, I did not see any analytics, only victorious slogans and ideological clichés. Typical American propagandist.
  48. AB
    0
    29 September 2022 15: 57
    Referendums are held in the country on the further choice of the form of government.
    In which country? In Russia, in the USA, in Britain or Ukraine?
    Exodus 4. From "In Washington" onward, everything is non-science fiction...
  49. -1
    29 September 2022 16: 30
    And what is the forecast of the "outcome" and in what terms - does the author himself give?
    And most importantly, what responsibility does he take for his forecast?
    It is clear that the Western journalist is stupid, that the King is usually bright, and Don Reba is always on the alert. Everyone has already learned this - only thirty years have passed, they have almost learned it ..
    And if specifically - in dates, numbers, faces ...
    Ay
  50. +1
    29 September 2022 19: 24
    Thomas Friedman is the smartest in the older group of the kindergarten. :))

    They all read Anna Karenina, Crime and Punishment and imagine they understand our mentality.

    I’m generally silent about a logical view ...- Putin is the one thanks to whom Ukraine did not lose statehood 20 years ago.
    His cautious approach to issues made it possible for Ukraine to come to its senses and it does not seem to be appreciated.

    Many others would have acted ruder...

    Bohemian acting and musical elite is not an "icon" for us - none of them!
  51. 0
    29 September 2022 22: 16
    With such a scenario, you can only write plots for TV series in Russia1.
    An absolutely unrealistic development of events. In the spirit of all the Skabeevs and Simonyans.
    Just understand that Ukraine now is a copy of the Third Reich. An absolutely zombie population. Which is absolutely not going to give up.
    Until we capture all of Ukraine, the war with it will not end. What next?
    And then we will have an incomprehensible pseudo-state nearby, inhabited by people who hate Russia. And Western politicians will do everything to ensure that we have as many problems as possible.
    And we still need to win the war and achieve some goals! How can we do this when we give up territories and bring the Nazis home?
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