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Attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to bring aviation into battle ended in the loss of one fighter and two attack aircraft

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Attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to bring aviation into battle ended in the loss of one fighter and two attack aircraft

Kyiv's attempts to disrupt the referendums in the republics of Donbass, as well as the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, by breaking through the defense line of the allied forces, failed, the enemy was thrown back to their positions. Positional battles are going on along the entire line of contact, in some areas turning into counterattacks, and from both sides. Ukrainian aircraft appeared in the sky again aviation and failed again.


The past day ended for the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the loss of three combat aircraft at once, shot down in the air by Russian fighters. Air battles took place in the Novoselovka districts in the Nikolayevskaya and Veseloye regions in the Kherson regions, as well as in the Kamyshevka region of the DPR. In the area of ​​​​Novoselovka, ours shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29, in two others Su-25 attack aircraft that tried to hit our positions.

In fact, fierce battles are now taking place in the Krasnolimansky direction, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to break through the front and enter the territory of the LPR with an attack on Kremennaya and Svatovo, but Krasny Liman stands firmly. The enemy is making attempts to bypass the city from the north, but so far all to no avail. The day before, the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a series of attacks in the direction of Karpovka and Redkodub, fell under Russian artillery and retreated.

While the enemy is attacking Krasny Lyman, ours are advancing in the Artemovsk area and in the city itself. Yesterday information came that the enemy was leaving the eastern part of the city and withdrawing to the western. The bridge across the river Bakhmutka has already been blown up. It is suggested that the new line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be built along this very river.

There was information that the enemy was preparing an offensive in the Zaporozhye direction with the aim of taking Melitopol and reaching the Sea of ​​Azov, but here the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not up to it yet. The Russian Armed Forces launched a preemptive strike on the Ukrainian grouping, after which they continued to hammer with artillery, preventing them from pulling forces. So, over the past day, several high-precision missiles flew into the area of ​​​​the city of Zaporozhye, hitting the positions of the Chaika tactical group, as well as the Skif, Dnepr and Gepard national battalions. More than 200 militants were transferred to the 190 category, 12 units of military equipment were destroyed.

In the region of Kramatorsk, Slavyansk and Ozerny, more than 320 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed by high-precision missiles. More than 130 Ukrainian soldiers were liquidated in the Mykolaiv region in the areas of Bezymennoe and Ternovye Pody.

Anti-aircraft gunners shot down 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, intercepting 42 HIMARS and Alder MLRS rockets.

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  1. Leshak
    Leshak 23 September 2022 14: 20
    +8
    The news is good, but the question is - when will Ukraine end its aviation? We shoot down, we shoot down, and they keep flying and flying ...
    1. isv000
      isv000 23 September 2022 14: 27
      +5
      Quote: Leshak
      The news is good, but the question is - when will Ukraine end its aviation? We shoot down, we shoot down, and they keep flying and flying ...

      The question was not put correctly: how many literate and with colossal combat experience pilots appeared in the Russian Aerospace Forces? Unlike the enemy air force ...
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 23 September 2022 14: 46
        -16
        Answers to such "correct" questions may well lead to an article on high treason laughing For example, someone is interested in the question of how much equipment was actually transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Balakleysko-Izyum "strategic operation"? wassat
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 23 September 2022 17: 56
          -1
          Quote: BMP-2
          For example, someone is interested in the question of how much equipment was actually transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the Balakleysko-Izyum "strategic operation"?

          Well, how much? And how many armed gangs of Ukraine REALLY transferred into the hands of the RF Ministry of Defense and the people's militia of the LDNR? laughing The one who laughs, laughs not for the last time.
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 23 September 2022 20: 23
            +3
            And you're laughing in vain. There is nothing funny about the fact that now you have to destroy your own equipment ...
            1. Russian Patriot
              Russian Patriot 24 September 2022 21: 08
              +4
              99% of those registered on the site do not understand what it is about. They don't show that on TV.
              I will explain.
              During the retreat in the Kharkov region, we lost a huge amount of the latest equipment. She was simply left to the enemy. The crews either fled or were themselves captured.
              Among the equipment donated to dear Ukrainians:
              T-90M, Zoo, Orlan...
              Everything is brand new and undamaged.
              So it goes.
              Together with the return home of the "poor unfortunate" Azov people and mercenaries, the situation is simply clownish.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 23 September 2022 14: 59
        -8
        Quote: isv000
        The question was not put correctly: how many literate and with colossal combat experience pilots appeared in the Russian Aerospace Forces?

        Wrong? Do you want the right question?
        Why does Russia need aerobatic teams: "Swifts", "Russian Knights", "Berkuts" and who needs this skill "dry"?
        There is a war, where the skill of professionals decides the outcome of the battle. Is it really so important to show off modern aircraft in the sky or the waltzes of tanks at the tankodrome, or salute shooting in honor (not even a round date) of the mention of the city in the annals?
        It is impossible to divide the country into “they have it there”, “we have it here” and “it was decided up there”, so that “misunderstandings” and “omissions” do not arise from below.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 23 September 2022 16: 00
          +3
          I don’t know about our aerobatic teams, but there was information about the French — they have combatant pilots taking turns passing through the aerobatic team. still trying to fly
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 23 September 2022 17: 09
            +4
            Quote: dmi.pris
            I think this is correct.

            yes
            *****
            I assume that the skill of the pilot combat vehicle determined in combat, not in an air show. You can show off on training and sports cars. It is in front of foreign delegations that you can juggle with a carbine, and in battle it is important to be able to use it quickly and for its intended purpose, KILLING THE ENEMY. It is one thing to stick the bayonet-knife of an assault rifle into the ground, and another thing to thrust it into the throat of an enemy standing ten meters away. That's how we were taught. That's how we were brought up. Do not scare the crowd with Stechkin, distributing cartridges, but “hit” the enemy in the forehead (you can hit the ten target).
            It's one thing to work in a circus for the amusement of the public, another thing is to act in battle, proving your professionalism by the number of killed enemies, damaged equipment, disabled weapons.
            stop I won’t change my opinion, even if the whole “royal army” begins to fence the palisade. Experience acquired by sweat and blood is more expensive... And the memory of friends and comrades is higher than someone's pompous pride.
          2. Havoc
            Havoc 24 September 2022 00: 01
            +1
            Quote: dmi.pris
            I don’t know about our aerobatic teams, but there was information about the French — they have combatant pilots taking turns passing through the aerobatic team. still trying to fly

            But you compared. Patrol de France - French aerobatic team flies on light aircraft "Alpha Jet". Is it possible to compare Alpha with Mirage.
        2. Kurva18
          Kurva18 23 September 2022 22: 13
          -2
          Do you have evidence that the same Swifts do not operate in the sky of Ukraine? If not, then why these opuses?
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 24 September 2022 05: 18
            +1
            Quote: Kurva18
            Do you have evidence that the same Swifts do not operate in the sky of Ukraine? If not, then why these opuses?

            Do you have data that the same Swifts are operating in the skies of Ukraine? If not, then what are these demonstration performances for?
            Look here and draw conclusions:
            On the evening of August 24, the Russian Air Force aerobatics team "Swifts" arrived in Kemerovo. From the Moscow airfield (not from Rostov or something else) flew in to perform in Kuzbass 20 flight personnel and seven MiG-29 fighters and an Il-76 aircraft. In addition to the air show, the pilots prepared another surprise for the residents of the region - the “Doors Open Day”.
            1. Kurva18
              Kurva18 25 September 2022 13: 01
              0
              And they, that planes and other equipment of the echelon and transfer? Yes, September is coming to an end.
    2. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 23 September 2022 14: 29
      +12
      When will Ukraine end aviation?
      In general, they don’t run out of anything, neither fuel, nor tanks, helicopters .... they cheat.
    3. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 23 September 2022 14: 33
      +16
      When will Ukraine end aviation?
      - As soon as the West stops supplying them with old Soviet aircraft.
    4. Drotro
      Drotro 23 September 2022 14: 59
      -5
      As one military man said in his memoirs: "For an objective picture of the loss of the enemy from our official reports, we must divide by two."

      Only he wrote this a long time ago, and now it would be interesting to know his opinion.
    5. bayard
      bayard 23 September 2022 15: 06
      +14
      Quote: Leshak
      and they fly and fly...

      They take off - this is a minus.
      But they don't sit down - that's a plus.
      The air defense in the NVO works regularly and frankly pleases with the quality of its work.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 23 September 2022 16: 02
        +4
        Our pilots themselves are also pleased - they shoot down in air battles.
      2. culinary
        culinary 23 September 2022 16: 16
        +1
        Quote: bayard
        Quote: Leshak
        and they fly and fly...

        They take off - this is a minus.
        But they don't sit down - that's a plus.
        The air defense in the NVO works regularly and frankly pleases with the quality of its work.

        How much and how they fly we do not know. The ass voices only successful results.
        1. bayard
          bayard 24 September 2022 00: 10
          +3
          Quote: kulinar
          How much and how they fly we do not know.

          This is not known to you. And we only hear (and sometimes look) up to 12 - 14 successful interceptions of one salvo of MLRS. And each target with one missile (mainly the work of the "Shell") over Donetsk.
          Quote: kulinar
          The ass voices only successful results.

          Ass is a bird Govorun, his mind and ingenuity are not disfigured.
          And as for the effectiveness of Aviation in air battles and interceptions, then everything is also quite positive and rated no lower than "Good". Most of the enemy aviation is being destroyed today, precisely in air battles and interceptions. SAMs also work on OTRK, MLRS and UAVs. But they do not disdain enemy aircraft either.
          When enemy aircraft is acting (trying to act) in WWI, as a rule it happens.
    6. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 23 September 2022 15: 33
      0
      Quote: Leshak
      The news is good, but the question is - when will Ukraine end its aviation? We shoot down, we shoot down, and they keep flying and flying ...

      It can be seen that there is an intensive restoration from the park, previously faulty. Where did the parts come from?
      1. cash
        cash 23 September 2022 15: 44
        +4
        from Slovakia, Greece and other countries with Soviet aircraft, the moments were exactly from Slovakia
    7. guest
      guest 23 September 2022 16: 37
      -1
      If I calculated correctly, then at least 200% of their aircraft have already been shot down, well, according to Konashenkov, but she still flies.
    8. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 23 September 2022 21: 01
      -1
      Quote: Leshak
      the question is when will aviation end in Ukraine? We shoot down, we shoot down, and they keep flying and flying ...

      3D printer maybe...
  2. isv000
    isv000 23 September 2022 14: 22
    +17
    Clear skies to our pilots! Three goals - three wins, keep it up!
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 23 September 2022 14: 31
      +4
      But after all, they didn’t tell us how many of these targets were in total ... How many enemy planes are flying ... They only name the number of those shot down. And how many were not shot down? They are silent about it. Alas...
  3. Dmirty
    Dmirty 23 September 2022 14: 27
    +5
    I’m wondering: the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sent flying like kamikazes (with a characteristic headband) and the landing gear falls off during takeoff?
    1. isv000
      isv000 23 September 2022 14: 29
      +5
      Quote from Dmirty
      I’m wondering: the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sent flying like kamikazes (with a characteristic headband) and the landing gear falls off during takeoff?

      No, it looks like those gray-haired pilots made an attempt to shake the old days ...
      1. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 23 September 2022 14: 57
        +3
        Quote: isv000
        No, it looks like those gray-haired pilots made an attempt to shake the old days ..

        Antiquity is better not to shake. The old one will fall off
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 September 2022 15: 02
        -23
        Why grey-haired? ordinary pilots. Many have dozens of sorties.
        Konashenkov simply counts the number of missiles shot down by the number of missiles fired at the planes: once fired, they will certainly hit. And this is not so.
        I explain the inefficiency of Russian aviation and air defense by the fact that it seems that the Ukrainians have hacked into the Russian "friend or foe" system. Air defense / pilots are not sure that they are shooting at the enemy.
        1. Genry
          Genry 23 September 2022 16: 30
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Why grey-haired? ordinary pilots.

          There were photographs of dill pilots in modern surroundings, but you can already see the age and gray hair.
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    2. Drotro
      Drotro 23 September 2022 14: 48
      -1
      Kamikaze is a purely oriental theme. It was said that Germany was trying to do something similar. Did not work out.

      Europeans live a philosophy of life.
      The Japanese philosophy of death.
      This is a general rule.

      Although the black prince Borghese created a detachment of divers in Italy, who were practically suicidal.
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 23 September 2022 16: 32
        +2
        Quote from Drotro
        It was said that Germany was trying to do something similar. Did not work out.

        Never tried. They took extreme risks, but always left a chance for salvation. Let at least 1/, but leave.
        Even when designing a ballistic missile to strike the United States, due to insufficient accuracy at such a distance, a pilot (cosmonaut) was planned. No one knew if it was possible to leave the rocket in this situation, but an ejection seat was supposed.
        Quote from Drotro
        Although the black prince Borghese created a detachment of divers in Italy, who were practically suicidal.

        Practically. But just many survived thanks to training and were either interned in Spain (during the attack on Gibraltar) or captured. hi
        1. Drotro
          Drotro 23 September 2022 16: 57
          -4
          The meaning of life is different for us.
          We live to live. (We are half-Europeans / half-Asians, don’t understand what blood is in us. Therefore, I can’t understand nationalism. After all, everything has been mixed up for a long time. Where can you find a true Aryan now.)
          The way of the samurai is the way of a warrior who is ready to die at any moment.
          It's like the old man of the mountain with his assassins.
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 23 September 2022 22: 44
            +2
            According to official history, Comrade Matrosov would not agree with you.
            And in the future, there will be a lot of episodes of self-sacrifice in a hopeless situation from all sides
            1. Drotro
              Drotro 23 September 2022 23: 56
              -2
              These are different things. To go to the ram in a hopeless situation is one thing.

              And initially to fly to death is completely different.

              How did Vice Admiral Onishi come to the creation of kamikaze units.
              It was pure reckoning. After each sortie of bombers escorted by fighters, the losses were heavy, and the results were negligible. So he calculated on the accounts, or on whatever they used to count without a calculator, that if you tie a bomb to an attack aircraft and send the plane to the target, then one pilot will die and only one plane will be lost. Fighter escorts are not needed. The only observation planes flying out together with the kamikaze themselves (like 1-2 to record the results of suicidal attacks). But they were at a safe distance from the scene of hostilities. And of course often wishful thinking. They took damaged transports for sunken aircraft carriers, for example.

              Pilots tied a ribbon before departure, drank their weak sake and set off on their last journey. Having received an advance blessing from commanders and relatives.

              We are still accustomed to the instinct of self-preservation. And from the very beginning, we cannot take our own life of our own free will.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 23 September 2022 16: 03
      -1
      Military, just military .. Received an order and flew. They are motivated and do not consider themselves kamikaze
    4. saigon
      saigon 23 September 2022 16: 06
      +2
      The kamikaze pilot, having not found a worthy target, was OBLIGED to return, so it’s just a rut about the chassis.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 23 September 2022 19: 41
        +2
        Quote: saigon
        The kamikaze pilot, having not found a worthy target, was OBLIGED to return, so it’s just a rut about the chassis.
        Kamikaze Yamamura - remained alive three times after a "combat sortie"
        1) The first time he was shot down together with a carrier bomber, splashed down in his own waters and was picked up by fishermen ...
        2) Returned to base with a carrier bomber due to bad weather..
        3) Returned to the base together with the carrier aircraft due to a breakdown of the projectile aircraft drop mechanism.
        The war is over... Yamamura is still alive sad

        Who cares ...
        White bandage on the forehead of a kamikaze - hachimaki - "head bundle", symbolizes inflexibility of intentions.
        hi
    5. culinary
      culinary 23 September 2022 16: 23
      +4
      Quote from Dmirty
      I’m wondering: the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sent flying like kamikazes (with a characteristic headband) and the landing gear falls off during takeoff?

      Why do you think so? How many times did helicopters evacuate the Nazis from Azovstal before they were shot down? Even according to Russian information, at least three times.
      With 100 active air defense systems on the entire front and 40 radars, are you sure that their planes do not fly? And how deep are the Russian Aerospace Forces? There is no air supremacy, the Schenevmerlikov air defense is active.
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 23 September 2022 14: 36
    -3
    Quote: Leshak
    When will Ukraine end aviation? We shoot down, we shoot down, and they keep flying and flying ...

    The fact that it flies is a stash hidden in various square places and it has not played a decisive role and will not play.
    Problems will begin for us when the Armed Forces of Ukraine start using NATO aircraft from the territories of neighboring states.
    No wonder there is talk of training pilots of the Ukronazi regime for F-16 and A-10 aircraft ... as soon as they are ready, we will see NATO aircraft attacking our troops (with Bandera symbols) from base airfields in Poland, the Baltic States, Romania.
    But a lot depends on the determination of the leadership of the NWO to stop such a scenario ... I hope that it will no longer do stupid things.
    1. Igool
      Igool 24 September 2022 20: 14
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      we will see NATO planes attacking our troops) with Bandera symbols) from base airfields in Poland, the Baltic States, Romania.


      We won’t see it, because a NATO plane taking off from a NATO airfield, invading Russian airspace, is a practical declaration of war on Russia by NATO countries.
      Planes may be given, but they will be based in western Ukraine, and this is a completely different matter.
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 23 September 2022 14: 44
    +3
    There was information that the enemy was preparing an offensive in the Zaporozhye direction with the aim of taking Melitopol and reaching the Sea of ​​Azov, but here the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not up to it yet. The Russian Armed Forces launched a preemptive strike on the Ukrainian grouping, after which they continued to hammer with artillery, preventing them from pulling forces.

    This is the right and understandable tactic.
  6. vova1910
    vova1910 23 September 2022 14: 48
    -7
    "Learn military science in a real way."
    Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

    It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 23 September 2022 14: 53
      -3
      Quote: vova1910
      It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

      Yeah ... from the commissars, the military experts are worthless ... they know how to shoot ... they just can’t competently fight.
      Commissars are needed only to impose discipline on the troops and nothing more.
      1. vova1910
        vova1910 23 September 2022 14: 57
        -7
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Quote: vova1910
        It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

        Yeah ... from the commissars, the military experts are worthless ... they know how to shoot ... they just can’t competently fight.
        Commissars are needed only to impose discipline on the troops and nothing more.

        I consider your statement to be discrediting the armed forces.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 23 September 2022 15: 12
          +2
          Quote: vova1910
          I consider your statement to be discrediting the armed forces.

          Think what you want ... I also believe that your proposal is to the detriment of our Armed Forces, because instead of saturating our troops with equipment, equipping them with qualified personnel, competently drawing up combat plans, you started talking about the institution of commissars without substantiating your statement.
          It smacks of populism and demagogy.
          You have a very interesting position ... whoever disagrees with you means discrediting the Sun ... fuck him. smile
          We've been through this before and we know how it ends.
          1. The comment was deleted.
      2. saigon
        saigon 23 September 2022 16: 10
        +2
        The political officer of the company was prepared to command a company, this is so, by the way, and besides blah blah about party congresses and other political information, they received the same knowledge as in combined arms schools, this is again by the way.
      3. culinary
        culinary 23 September 2022 16: 32
        +2
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Quote: vova1910
        It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

        Yeah ... from the commissars, the military experts are worthless ... they know how to shoot ... they just can’t competently fight.
        Commissars are needed only to impose discipline on the troops and nothing more.

        That is why the Nazis shot the commissars on the spot? For their bloodlust?
        Maybe that's why we are losing outright the information war and the battle for the minds of people,
      4. Genry
        Genry 23 September 2022 16: 36
        +2
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Commissars are needed only to impose discipline on the troops and nothing more.

        In fact, the institution of commissars was introduced because of the large number of officers from the tsarist army. They, like the obligatory co-pilot for the Indians and other very commercial nationalities, were from the "bottom" and controlled that the "high-born" did not sell everything to the enemy.
      5. stankow
        stankow 23 September 2022 22: 53
        -1
        Lech from Android Something got mixed up. Only the commander has the right, but only under extreme circumstances. Or at the decision of the court-martial.
    2. sedoj
      sedoj 23 September 2022 15: 00
      +5
      Quote: vova1910
      It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

      The commissariat needs an ideology. Without ideology - only priests. IMHO.
      1. vova1910
        vova1910 23 September 2022 15: 02
        -5
        Quote: sedoj
        Quote: vova1910
        It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

        The commissariat needs an ideology. Without ideology - only priests. IMHO.

        Do you think that the United Russia party has no ideology?
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 23 September 2022 15: 18
          0
          Quote: vova1910
          Do you think that the United Russia party has no ideology?

          Provocative question... smile
          Offer your ideology to the VO society.
          1. vova1910
            vova1910 23 September 2022 18: 05
            -2
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Offer your ideology to the VO society

            A beautiful ideology of selfless service to the ideals of the great helmsman
        2. sedoj
          sedoj 23 September 2022 15: 21
          0
          Quote: vova1910
          Do you think that the United Russia party has no ideology?

          Well I do not know. I am not a member of this sect, but from the outside, somehow, it is not visible.
        3. iouris
          iouris 23 September 2022 15: 40
          0
          Quote: vova1910
          does the United Russia party have no ideology?

          First, ideology is always there. The ideology of the ruling class dominates. What class do you belong to, comrade?
          Secondly, as Viktor Stepanych pointed out, as a result of party building, the CPSU always turned out. It was he who meant that such a "party" as EP is not a party, but is the core of the existing system. All other parties are affiliates.
          Thirdly, there are no more political parties anywhere, because the ruling class uses methods of management based on social engineering.
          In this world, 90% of everything that can be profitable is already owned by about five hundred families (some say fifty).
      2. saigon
        saigon 24 September 2022 04: 50
        +1
        Here is the ideology already applied to the commissariat, during the civil war in America there were special government officials called commissars and they looked after the military.
    3. iouris
      iouris 23 September 2022 15: 31
      0
      Quote: vova1910
      to revive the institute of commissars in the troops

      Dusty helmets disappeared from warehouses: they were sold in the "dashing 90s" on the Arbat.
    4. culinary
      culinary 23 September 2022 16: 26
      +1
      Quote: vova1910
      "Learn military science in a real way."
      Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

      It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

      I propose to start with the revival of NVVPOU. Academy... Youth. And a wife with whom we have been together for more than 30 years.
    5. Adrey
      Adrey 23 September 2022 16: 34
      0
      Quote: vova1910
      It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

      Who do you propose for the role of Mehlis? Will you go yourself?
      1. vova1910
        vova1910 23 September 2022 18: 02
        0
        Quote: Adrey
        Quote: vova1910
        It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

        Who do you propose for the role of Mehlis? Will you go yourself?

        Suggest to Yasha Kedmi, their nationality allows them to be a commissar with Mehlis.
  7. Silver99
    Silver99 23 September 2022 14: 57
    -2
    How long can one ask the question why the high command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has not been destroyed ????? Let the operations be planned in NATO, but the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is directly involved in the transfer of troops, and he apparently does not feel bad with light and warmth, even toilets are not on the street in the field, Zaluzhny is generally their new idol, eclipsed the clown in a military T-shirt.
    1. vova1910
      vova1910 23 September 2022 15: 00
      -1
      Quote from Silver99
      How long can one ask the question why the high command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has not been destroyed ????? Let the operations be planned in NATO, but the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is directly involved in the transfer of troops, and he apparently does not feel bad with light and warmth, even toilets are not on the street in the field, Zaluzhny is generally their new idol, eclipsed the clown in a military T-shirt

      Maslyakov probably protects his protégé from KVN.
  8. Horon
    Horon 23 September 2022 15: 00
    -3
    After the number of destroyed dill planes, according to the data of the military, exceeded the number of aircraft that the dill had at the time of the start of its own, I ceased to consider mo a source of reliable information. Alas. request
  9. Valnik
    Valnik 23 September 2022 15: 03
    -3
    The motto of the aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: the number of takeoffs does not equal the number of landings.
  10. Former soldier
    Former soldier 23 September 2022 15: 07
    -1
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    of the commissars, the military experts are worthless ... they know how to shoot ... they just can’t competently fight.

    Judging by the soldiers' memoirs of the Second World War, they did neither. They fled in the very near rear closer to the headquarters. Later they were driven into the trenches to the soldiers.
    1. stankow
      stankow 23 September 2022 23: 05
      0
      According to the soldiers' memoirs, the commanders got even more ...
  11. Former soldier
    Former soldier 23 September 2022 15: 11
    -1
    Quote: vova1910
    It is necessary to revive the institution of commissars in the troops. Then there will be order.

    1000500 minuses. The commander is a father.
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 23 September 2022 15: 14
    +2
    Quote: Horon
    After the number of destroyed dill planes, according to the data of the military, exceeded the number of aircraft that the dill had at the time of the start of its own, I ceased to consider mo a source of reliable information. Alas. request

    Do you take into account the help of "brothers" from the countries of the socialist bloc (and not only)? And in the meantime, they scraped together a lot.
  13. Former soldier
    Former soldier 23 September 2022 15: 16
    -1
    Quote: Leshak
    The news is good, but the question is - when will Ukraine end its aviation? We shoot down, we shoot down, and they keep flying and flying ...

    Well, if you put yourself in the place of the enemy, then it is easy to figure out why and where he finds more and more new units. It is necessary to stop at the western border. The only unique action. Oh But father-ally where are you?
  14. Joker62
    Joker62 23 September 2022 15: 17
    -4
    Quote from Dmirty
    I’m wondering: the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sent flying like kamikazes (with a characteristic headband) and the landing gear falls off during takeoff?

    Most likely, the catapults of the pilots of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were intentionally disabled / damaged, as the ground warriors did with the tanks, where all the hatches were welded.
    It looks like this too. For the Kyiv regime - all the Armed Forces of Ukraine - cannon fodder.
    That's all things...
  15. Two
    Two 23 September 2022 15: 18
    -1
    hi Is there generalized data anywhere on the presence of Su-25s in the countries of the former socialist camp and not only?
    1. ask
      ask 23 September 2022 15: 39
      0
      Read the history of the creation and production of aircraft: Su-25, MiG-29, Su-27, etc. There are these figures in the articles, I can’t tell from memory. By the way, this site (Military Review) has similar publications.
      1. Two
        Two 23 September 2022 15: 44
        -1
        hi There are figures about the total operating time, but even NATO does not know about "remains in warehouses and bases". And where they are picked out, there is also silence ...
        1. ask
          ask 23 September 2022 15: 53
          0
          If you are interested, I can dig deeper into the tutorials, there was such infa, how many countries had planes and which ones. But not right now....
  16. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 23 September 2022 15: 30
    +3
    Quote: Former soldier
    Judging by the soldiers' memoirs of the Second World War, they did neither. They fled in the very near rear closer to the headquarters. Later they were driven into the trenches to the soldiers.

    I completely disagree with you...
    at the beginning of the Second World War, there were a lot of real heroes among the junior and senior political officers of the Red Army ... they were very strongly motivated to fight the enemy ... many of them died in fierce battles with the Germans.
    Another thing is that the political leadership of this institute of commissars often got into the affairs of commanders without completely understanding the specifics of military affairs ... well, for example, when it was necessary to leave the position due to tactical considerations, the commissar perceived this as betrayal and defeatism ...
    because of this, the Red Army suffered very heavy losses in manpower and equipment.
    1. UA3QHP
      UA3QHP 23 September 2022 16: 03
      +4
      The institute of commissars was abolished in the Red Army on October 9, 1942.
  17. leks
    leks 23 September 2022 16: 09
    -2
    I’m wondering in dill that there is a plant for the production of Su 25 aircraft?
    According to Konashenkov, more than 100 pieces of this type of aircraft were destroyed. Although even taking into account the supply of them, there are no more than 50 pieces!?
  18. ASM
    ASM 23 September 2022 18: 38
    0
    Where do these planes take off from? If from the outskirts, then when will they start shooting down on takeoff with the destruction of the runway? Where is our satellite constellation?
    1. Charik
      Charik 23 September 2022 20: 53
      +2
      Where is our satellite constellation?[/quote]
      Apparently sewn into a trampoline
    2. Russian Patriot
      Russian Patriot 24 September 2022 21: 18
      0
      It exists, even exists. But our military satellites are extremely outdated. Technology of the 80s.
      The Defense Ministry will never say how many working reconnaissance satellites, communications, repeaters, navigation satellites we have above the Earth ...
      But they are clearly not enough.
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  20. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 24 September 2022 19: 40
    +1
    Does our aircraft fly there? And if it flies and works on the enemy, then why are they successful?
  21. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 24 September 2022 21: 13
    +1
    Again, the respected General Konashenkov reports a thousand Vushniks killed. But this cannot be!
    It’s just that people don’t stay long in Ukraine to conduct offensive operations!
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 24 September 2022 22: 02
      -1
      Nobody has been sorry for Basurman since the time of Suvorov (and it certainly used to be the same).
      1. Russian Patriot
        Russian Patriot 25 September 2022 00: 24
        0
        Ukrainians are clearly not "Busurmans".
  22. 1939_1940
    1939_1940 25 September 2022 03: 44
    -5
    A strange article .. Apparently this is an answer to the post of one well-known TG channel about aviation ... Who wrote .. To put it mildly .. Today the VKS had a very bad day .. I hope an article will be written on this occasion .. Why it happened and what to do..