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Kazakhstan expands military-technical cooperation with Turkey

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Kazakhstan expands military-technical cooperation with Turkey

The Otokar company will create an assembly plant in Kazakhstan, the Defense News reports, citing a statement by the largest Turkish manufacturer of armored vehicles.

The Memorandum of Understanding on the joint organization in the territory of Kazakhstan of the production of armored vehicles "Cobra" was signed on October 12 in Istanbul within the framework of the Turkish-Kazakhstan Investment and Trade Forum in the presence of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and President Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan.

The memorandum follows the preliminary agreement signed by Otokar in May for the supply of armored vehicles of the armed forces of Kazakhstan.

Under the new agreement, Otokar will create a joint venture with Kazakhstan Engineering JSC for the production of Cobra armored vehicles with the wheel formula 4х4.

Kazakhstan Engineering will build an enterprise for the production of the Cobra BVM, and Otokar will transfer the necessary technologies and know-how, supply all the components, conduct training of personnel and personnel of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan, and also monitor the technological process.

Otokar is a privately owned company and, during its existence, has sold over 25 thousand armored vehicles of various types to customers from 30 countries. Moreover, Kazakhstan will be the first state in whose territory the Turkish company creates production for the assembly of its equipment.

Earlier, Otokar delivered a small batch of the Cobra BBM to the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan, which entered service with the 36 airborne assault brigade.

During the next visit to Turkey, the Chairman of the Board of Kazakhstan Engineering Bolat Smagulov also discussed with the leadership of the company Aselsan Electronics the implementation of joint projects for the production of optical instruments in Kazakhstan.

In addition, representatives of Kazakhstan Engineering held talks on possible areas of cooperation with the Turkish shipbuilding companies RMK Marin and Daersan.

Earlier, a delegation of “Kazakhstan Engineering” headed by Bolat Smagulov visited Turkey on September 10-11 and on 28-29 in May of this year. As reported, during negotiations with the Deputy Minister of Defense Industry Murad Bayar, as well as the leadership of the Otokar company, the possibility of cooperation in the field of defense and the organization of production of armored vehicles in Kazakhstan was discussed.

In May, Kazakhstan Engineering and Aselsan Electronics signed an agreement to expand the strategic areas of cooperation. In accordance with the document, the parties intend to develop cooperation in the field of upgrading armored vehicles and helicopters. In addition, the companies plan to establish a joint production of military radio stations and communication systems. The agreement will allow expanding the line of products of the joint venture LLP Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering in the interests of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan with the prospect of export to neighboring countries.

COMMENT TSAMTO

Judging by the large number of programs listed above, on which agreements have already been reached or negotiations are under way, Turkey (a country belonging to NATO) expects to reach the level of a strategic partnership in the field of military-technical cooperation with Kazakhstan.

At the same time, Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO. One of the principles of military construction in the framework of the CSTO is the unification of weapons of countries belonging to this organization.

Most recently, on October 9, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov held a working meeting with Kazakhstan’s Defense Minister Adilbek Dzhaksybekov. The parties discussed, among other things, the implementation of the strategic partnership and interaction plan, approved by the defense ministers of the two countries in March 2011.

Among the main areas of interaction was the creation of a unified air defense system.

The meeting also discussed a set of problems related to the strengthening of military and military-technical cooperation within the CSTO, including the creation of the CSTO Military Committee and the improvement of the procurement system of weapons and military equipment in the interests of the Organization's member states.

It should be noted that outside the countries in the post-Soviet space, Turkey is not the only state with which Kazakhstan actively cooperates in the field of military-technical cooperation.

Kazakhstan has joint programs with Israel on the CAO, mortars and MLRS.

The United States of the Armed Forces delivered Kazakhstan as part of military assistance to the 75 BBM M-1114 HMMWV and XHUMX UH-8H Hugh helicopters.

France is implementing a program for licensed assembly of X-NUMX EC-45 helicopters. Airbus Militari was contracted to supply C-145 military transport aircraft.

Negotiations are ongoing with South Korea for cooperation in the field of naval equipment.
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  1. studentmati
    studentmati 22 October 2012 11: 03
    +4
    Kazakhstan is diversifying its weapons. Maybe there is a reason for this in today's unstable world.
  2. strannik595
    strannik595 22 October 2012 11: 03
    -1
    a typical trucker was put behind the wheel .... laughing
    1. rope
      rope 19 October 2014 15: 48
      0
      your father
  3. silver_roman
    silver_roman 22 October 2012 11: 12
    +6
    Kazakhstan is simply trying to reduce the influence of Russian equipment supplies on its aircraft. these are standard measures used by many countries importing military equipment. thus, they reduce the dependence on the monopoly supply of Russian equipment. India went the same way. in spite of their aircraft, equipped mainly with Russian models, the Indians concluded military helicopter contracts with the states (apache long bol instead of mi28), rafali (light destroyers instead of mig35).

    I think there is nothing to worry about, but nevertheless, Nazarbayev has recently been trying to get away from the political dependence of the Russian Federation. This can also be seen in past articles. but all the same, the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan have too close ties to worry about a geopolitical change in the political top of the KZ.
  4. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 22 October 2012 11: 26
    +2
    Against the background of the statements of their president, you need to think ...
  5. Veter
    Veter 22 October 2012 11: 50
    +3
    Nazarbayev will "leave" relatively soon. New people will come, a new team. We'll see there. Although the roll is not the best. Something tells us that we will get another Asian country with their buys, with all that it implies.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 October 2012 12: 03
      +5
      Kazakhstan thinks about its national interests, therefore, saturates its army with various weapons and does not want to completely depend on the Russian Federation. A normal and balanced approach to its armed forces.
  6. tekinoral
    tekinoral 22 October 2012 12: 53
    +2
    rumor has it that in the future, other types of military equipment will be produced
    1. tekinoral
      tekinoral 22 October 2012 23: 41
      +1
      and this is a new development of OTOCAR cobra 2
      1. wolverine7778
        wolverine7778 23 October 2012 16: 37
        +2
        Looks good good
  7. Forget
    Forget 22 October 2012 13: 56
    +2
    Sarych, what do you say .. smile
  8. FATEMOGAN
    FATEMOGAN 22 October 2012 14: 13
    +1
    I don’t understand with whom Kazakhstan is going to enter into a customs union with Russia or with NATO in the person of Turkey, more so in the light of recent statements by Nazarbayev ???
    1. Forget
      Forget 22 October 2012 14: 39
      +2
      Kazakhstan has already joined the customs union. There is no customs between the countries.
      I also think that Moscow, having agreed to transport NATO through Ulyanovsk, thereby spat on the memory of our soldiers who died in Afghanistan. Do not forget who supplied the most modern weapons of the Mujahideen.
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 22 October 2012 18: 12
        +1
        what does customs have to do with it, or not, I’m talking about Kazakhstan’s numerous purchases of NATO equipment, Nazarbayev’s turn to Turkey, obviously Russia’s unfriendly country and one of the main sponsors of terrorism and instability in the region, or do you think this bowl has passed, and These Turkish fosterlings, who have tasted human blood, will not creep to us, the question is whether they should crawl, and when they crawl, they will not be able to sit quietly. I about that it is not necessary to flirt with this local Hitler.
        "I also think that Moscow, having agreed to transport NATO through Ulyanovsk, thereby spat on the memory of our soldiers who died in Afghanistan." - to be honest, your country logic, according to it, then it turns out that by selling gas to Germany or Italy, and to half of Europe, Russia thereby spat on the memory of our soldiers who died in the Great Patriotic War. or that Rosiyans drive German or Japanese cars the same spit - they are our enemies, albeit a little quiet but enemies.
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 22 October 2012 18: 20
          0
          no need to bring the idea to the point of absurdity, no one spits on our fallen wars and dares not spit, otherwise he’ll drown in his bloodlet !!!
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 22 October 2012 22: 02
            +4
            Hello Pavel! Don't be so critical. It seems to me that Russia itself is now in search of a better layout (concept) of its new armored vehicles based on the Armata. Hence the tests of Finnish, German-Dutch, and Italian cars. I think that when the newest Russian developments appear, then Kazakhstan will not remain aloof from them. Most of the existing infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers in service have already been modernized. And it is very important for Kazakhstan to load the existing capacities (jobs), to get new technologies and "know - how" for their industries - they will not be superfluous.
            NATO weapons available in Kazakhstan:
            1. Hummers and Hugh helicopters were received free of charge.
            2. EU Helicopters - 145, notice the ASSEMBLY in our Kazakhstan.
            3. Transport workers C-295 (although earlier it was stated that it would be C-130 Hercules). The following should be noted here. Nazarbayev made the following statement: "What we cannot buy from our closest allies (read Russia and Belarus) will be acquired in the far abroad." And at the moment we have only one Il-1 military transport aircraft for all airborne troops (read Airborne Forces + aviation). Until recently, such aircraft were not produced in Russia (the recent 76 test flight of the first Il-1 does not count). So this contract can be linked to his statement.
            About Turkey. There was an article on the site which stated that the trade between Russia and Turkey was $ 30 billion. (the USA and Turkey have 12 billion) and there is every opportunity to bring them to 100 billion - nuclear power plants, gas pipelines, textiles, building materials, tourism, petrochemicals, etc. And also on the site it is often said about the brotherhood of the Slavic peoples (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus), which I only welcome. And so the question arises: "Why can't Kazakhstan trade with Turkey (trade turnover of 4 billion)? After all, the Turks are a Turkic people, close to us-Kazakhs, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc. Turkey should be drawn closer to our Union, to tie it Economically. ”
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 22 October 2012 23: 03
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              About Turkey. There was an article on the site which stated that the trade between Russia and Turkey was $ 30 billion. (the USA and Turkey have 12 billion) and there is every opportunity to bring them to 100 billion - nuclear power plants, gas pipelines, textiles, building materials, tourism, petrochemicals, etc. And also on the site it is often said about the brotherhood of the Slavic peoples (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus), which I only welcome. And so the question arises: "Why can't Kazakhstan trade with Turkey (trade turnover of 4 billion)? After all, the Turks are a Turkic people, close to us-Kazakhs, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc. Turkey should be drawn closer to our Union, to tie it Economically. ”
              I think that the correct opinion, especially since there is a very ambiguous attitude towards Amers!
            2. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 23 October 2012 01: 14
              0
              Hello Dauren!
              perhaps the defense industry in search, but most likely if they are going to present full-scale samples in 2013 and start a full-scale production in 2015, then most likely they have already decided on the concept and the main components, I hope that these negotiations on wheeled tanks, etc., are just an attempt to spur our defenders, and not another stupidity ala "Lynx", let's see, but life will show. it is also understandable that Kazakhstan wants to have a modern army, this is only a plus for the country's leadership, everything is clear with planes, but with minamets or MLRS with Israel or naval cooperation with Korea, it would not be better for us to develop this together, research together, and accept for armaments, so that money does not go over the hill for research by unknown uncles, but remains in our union and works for the benefit of our citizens ?! Yes, and instead of "Cobra" would not be better to establish a joint assembly of "Tigers" in Kazakhstan with subsequent joint modernization?
              and as for Turkey, yes the tavar turnover is not bad, and while there is an opportunity to trade, to improve the life of fellow citizens, I completely agree with you, now, in this context, it’s not the main thing, Turkey has long been reliably tied by amers and in the near future it is unlikely to get rid of, the question is as a friend, she now openly supports terrorists in Syria with money and instructors and the military, just as she supported the Wahhabis in the North Caucasus in the 90s, and you are sure that these animals after Syria will not be incited against us, Kazakhstan and Russia I should be mistaken, but it feels like it is not far off, and we will return to this topic, the Salafis have already announced who will be next after Syria or with it, and there the question will not be how to make money on a new car, but as a country save how to prevent terrorist acts in their native land,
              I quote from Mr. Yusuf Kardaui: http://takie.org/news/perezagruzka_nenavisti/2012-10-21-1347
              “The Arab and Muslim world must stand against Russia. We must boycott her. We must enlist it in our main enemies ... Russia has become the number one enemy for Islam and Muslims, because ... "(http://news.mail.ru/politics/10634375/)
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 23 October 2012 16: 19
                +3
                Good afternoon, Pavel!
                I completely agree with Israel - "cutting the dough", those who were involved in this case are now shaking the deadlines, and the Minister of Defense was removed (although it was necessary to jail, but before that he was prime minister and was close to Nazarbayev).
                Korea They invested not badly in Kazakhstan, they gave preferential loans, apparently it affected. And the Korean diaspora is very large. So thanked what is called.
                Pavel, but as for the joint assembly of Russian military equipment. However strange this is, Russia is extremely reluctant to do so. This is not advertised, but I heard it from one of our senior officials. Apparently Russia wants to load its capacities, and not transfer production.
                Terrorist training in Turkey. It seems to me that the pressure from the United States was not enough, and even the Kurdish problem (they had to choose between cooperation with the United States or American support for Kurds - the Kurds would declare an oppressed nation with all the ensuing consequences for the Turks).
                For the Arab and Muslim world, the number one enemy is probably the United States, not Russia. And all this thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan and the Arab spring.
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 23 October 2012 10: 55
          0
          to be honest, the country’s logic is with you, then it turns out that by selling gas to Germany or Italy, and even half of Europe, Russia thereby spat on the memory of our soldiers who died in the Great Patriotic War. Or that the Rosiyans drive German or Japanese cars but spit - they are our enemies, albeit a little quieter but enemies.,

          I do not agree. When it comes to the export or import of goods, these are the economic interests of our state, which greatly affect our GDP and budget. and if we start from a deal with NATO on the transportation of goods, then we are unlikely to win anything. Of course they pay for transit, but this is a penny on a global scale, especially against the backdrop of writing off $ 20 billion of debt to all natives. and besides, it is far from known whether the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan will benefit Russia. they brought chaos, which could later rush to our borders in the form of a stream of terrorists and drug deliveries. in general, it’s not quite a simple topic here, but helping the enemy and making concessions to him is clearly not to be commended.
        3. silver_roman
          silver_roman 23 October 2012 10: 58
          0
          Quote: FATEMOGAN
          to be honest, the country’s logic is with you, then it turns out that by selling gas to Germany or Italy, and even half of Europe, Russia thereby spat on the memory of our soldiers who died in the Great Patriotic War. Or that the Rosiyans drive German or Japanese cars but spit - they are our enemies, albeit a little quieter but enemies.


          I do not agree. When it comes to the export or import of goods, these are the economic interests of our state, which greatly affect our GDP and budget. and if we start from a deal with NATO on the transportation of goods, then we are unlikely to win anything. Of course they pay for transit, but this is a penny on a global scale, especially against the backdrop of writing off $ 20 billion of debt to all natives. and besides, it is far from known whether the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan will benefit Russia. they brought chaos, which could later rush to our borders in the form of a stream of terrorists and drug deliveries. in general, it’s not quite a simple topic here, but helping the enemy and making concessions to him is clearly not to be commended.
  9. baltika-18
    baltika-18 22 October 2012 15: 03
    +1
    Tony Bleer in advisers, recent statements by elbasy, strengthening cooperation in the military sphere with Turkey, apparently Kazakhstan is slowly determining who and for whom it will play in the future game of world chess.
    1. v53993
      v53993 22 October 2012 16: 01
      +1
      And the task of our diplomats is to help him decide correctly.
      1. Beck
        Beck 22 October 2012 17: 58
        0
        ALL.

        Greetings. All without tantrums. Everything is weighed. Everything is as it should.
  10. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 22 October 2012 19: 51
    +3
    NATO samples are also not ideal and a column for example, from Western technology mixed with Russian, is idiocy (and buying Hammers, Turkish armored cars and Russian technology is a double idiocy of the problem here, starting from fuel standards, lubricants (for example, NATO uses lubricants Hessol oils), weapon calibers, ending with radio equipment and after-sales service ... I don’t argue Turkish armed equipment is amazing, but we need unification either Russian or then NATO in all weapons positions what
    1. Bekzat
      Bekzat 22 October 2012 22: 50
      +2
      Greetings to all. I agree with Volverin7778. + To you.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 22 October 2012 23: 00
        +4
        Quote: Bekzat

        Welcome all. I agree with Volverin7778. + To you

        Hi Bekzat!
        How is my namesake doing ??))
        I would also agree, but I think the question is different!
        Kazakhstan apparently wants to create a powerful defense industry !!
        There is money for this, we need technology, but advanced technologies do not all give, even allies!
        Therefore, I consider these acquisitions justified!
        The main thing will be factories, there will be specialists and there will be experience, and soon there will be their own developments!
        1. Bekzat
          Bekzat 23 October 2012 00: 23
          +1
          I greet you Alibek, your namesake is growing, making your parents and grandparents happy. I think so too. It is not in vain that Russia itself buys up arms abroad and conducts tests, what needs to be taken, and what is not needed not. In my opinion, it has always been so. And the October Revolution was "built" on French models of armored vehicles. And the tanks of the USSR trace their history back to the Christie's. + To you !!!
  11. razved
    razved 22 October 2012 22: 04
    +1
    Nurik has long been pursuing a policy of "both yours and ours."
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 20 November 2012 01: 11
      0
      And Russia flirts with America, China and Europe. Either Tsar Boris played tennis with their presidents, or the harsh Putin gutted sweetly in German in the Bundestag. But somehow I don't want to present myself as "ours and yours", but you can pin up your neighbors ...
      But seriously, Russia sometimes so clumsy conducts foreign policy with its neighbors that one must still wonder how Nazarbayev still has enough patience, which the leaders of other Slavic, Caucasian, Baltic and Asian states lacked.
      For example: Russia is blocking railway tracks for Kazakh business in the Baltics, handed over Kazakh attempts to sell military trash to third countries (to North Korea and Yugoslavia) to the "world community", twisted its arms within the framework of pipeline policy, and forced the Kazakhs to build new pipelines. to other countries, loudly announced the possible introduction of visas for Kazakhstanis, in connection with which the Kazakhs closed the railway tracks inside the country, one can recall how Russia pushed Kazakhstan out of the ruble zone in the early 90s and shoved Soviet banknotes in wagons into our country, which was convinced by Moscow that the ruble zone would remain, and so on. In the military sphere, there is also a lot to remember, how Russia repulsed Kazakhstan, for example, in the defense industry. The Kazakhs constantly offer Russia to create joint ventures, we are ready to allocate the necessary investments, provide production capacities, but Russia until 2012 ignored these proposals in every possible way. the rearmament of the army must be done, the Kazakhs turned to the French, Israelis, Ukrainians, Turks, Americans. For time passes, and technology is getting old. I myself once in one of the ministries dealt with the issue of industrial cooperation with other countries, incl. with Russia. Russia looked like an imposing master: "We will not build factories, we will not provide technology, buy our old stuff from warehouses and basta."
      Regarding Russian armored vehicles, they suggested a hundred times to establish cooperation, while Russia waved it off year after year until it saw that Jews, Ukrainians, Italians (Finmekanika), Turks did not occupy this niche.
      Why whine now and accuse the Kazakhs of politics "both ours and yours"? Or did we have to wait stupidly for all the equipment to fall apart?
  12. tekinoral
    tekinoral 22 October 2012 23: 03
    0
    we will sell them the Altai tank and T129 more
  13. I-16M
    I-16M 23 October 2012 05: 21
    -2
    A bit off topic, but when I hear "Kazakhstan" - I remember about 7 million Russians, about 40% of Kazakhs before 1991. Only in our country, the nationality with 40% of the total population received a national state !!!!! I won't talk about Akmolinsk-Tselinograd-Astana at all.
    1. Beck
      Beck 23 October 2012 08: 20
      +1
      Quote: I-16M
      Only in our country, a nation with 40% of the total population received a national state !!!!! About Akmolinsk-Tselinograd-Astana in general I will not mention.


      Yes. People calmly discussed the issue of arms deliveries. People whose states are part of a single union, have one customs, are part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, are integrating economically.

      But there is no one who does not know history, existing relationships and is driven only by a negative sense of vicious, in his hypostasis, national greatness. He falsely understands where the dignity and honor of the people are, and where chauvinism and inappropriate claims are.

      Here you are I-16M, answer what you want, voicing the thoughts of the nationalist. Do you want discord and discord between our peoples? Do you want hostility and hostility? Do you want clashes and blood? The devastation and difficulties of the 90s were not enough for you, in which our peoples survived without any clashes and pogroms.

      You need to divide and cut in your own way. But at each sharing will be offended. And if offended, then malicious. And if spiteful, then revengeful. And if vindictive, then ready for a crime. That you do not have enough Russian open spaces and you are ready to shed blood and sow discord and hatred for the unjust appropriation of yet another territory.

      Do you even think half a step ahead before you say anything. Such your statements will bring you to a tailspin. But it doesn’t matter. The trouble is that many can come into your tailspin after you.

      You provocateur hiding behind the inaccessibility of the Internet. Not seeing the prospects of our common development of Russia and Kazakhstan.
      1. I-16M
        I-16M 24 October 2012 02: 19
        -2
        1. None of the Kazakh guys wanted to offend the girls. History, problems, geopolitics are the lot of states, not ordinary people.
        2. He cited only the facts. More precisely numbers.
        3. You are an ultra nationalist here, so much to compose on the topic of nationalism ...
        As they say, who is talking about, but lousy about the bath.
        4. I am for the friendship of peoples !!! Without hostility, hostility and blood.
        5. Where did your friendship go in the 90s and how do you feel about non-Kazakhs at home - this is a separate issue.
        6. Comment better on the Turkic-loving statements of your Nazarbayev
        7. I’m not a provocateur, but you look like a troll.
        8. I have not flocked sheep with you, so you should contact.
        1. Beck
          Beck 24 October 2012 09: 08
          +1
          Quote: I-16M
          I have not flocked sheep with you, so you should contact.


          So with your territorial claims you are not worthy to be addressed to you.

          Quote: I-16M
          Where your friendship in the 90s went and how you feel about non-Kazakhs at home is a separate issue.


          And nowhere has she gone. As it was. We treat all residents of Kazakhstan equally. In addition to some everyday moments. So these everyday moments all over the world are. But in the entire CIS space only in Russia did the racist Skinhead movement appear with the image on the sleeve of a cross between a fascist swastika and a Christian cross. Members of which killed people on a national basis. You will not be one of these?

          Quote: I-16M
          Only in our country, a nation with 40% of the total population received a national state !!!!! About Akmolinsk-Tselinograd-Astana in general I will not mention.


          What, you deny us the right to have our own state? What Akmolinsk, Tselinograd do you consider the territory of Russia? Yes, many cities in the north of Kazakhstan were founded by the Russian Empire. So this is for the convenience of managing the lands newly joined to the empire. Kazakhs lived on their territory for centuries. The first penetration of the Ural ridge of the Russian Empire dates from 1582. And what before this year there was no history beyond the Urals? What did Yermak come to empty lands? And who was he fighting with then? Before stuttering about Akmolinsk, look at the map of Novosibirsk, Chelyabinsk, Omsk regions of Russia. There, half of the toponymy is Turkic. And why would these names of tracts, rivers, lakes have Turkic names on the native Russian lands?

          You don’t even see that our countries are moving towards the closest possible rapprochement, with the efforts of our leaders and sowing only hostility.
          1. I-16M
            I-16M 24 October 2012 13: 11
            -3
            Quote: Beck
            with their territorial claims
            But where did you see them !? My personal opinion: 40% did not pull on a unitary state


            Quote: Beck
            We treat all residents of Kazakhstan equally. Except some household moments
            Do you call it everyday moments? Let it be so. The name of the essence does not change.

            Quote: Beck
            But throughout the CIS, only in Russia did the racist Skinhead movement
            Here you are bent. Google more carefully. There are brutal racist nationalists in any of the former republics of the USSR.

            Quote: Beck
            What, you deny us the right to have our own state? What Akmolinsk, Tselinograd do you consider the territory of Russia? Yes, many cities in the north of Kazakhstan were founded by the Russian Empire. So this is for the convenience of managing the lands newly joined to the empire. Kazakhs lived on their territory for centuries. The first penetration of the Ural ridge of the Russian Empire dates from 1582. And what before this year there was no history beyond the Urals? What did Yermak come to empty lands? And who was he fighting with then? Before stuttering about Akmolinsk, look at the map of Novosibirsk, Chelyabinsk, Omsk regions of Russia. There, half of the toponymy is Turkic. And why would these names of tracts, rivers, lakes have Turkic names on the native Russian lands?


            You would not touch history, in the name of the rapprochement of our camps.
            You write a lot, sometimes with reason. And a person, apparently not stupid, even if you take material for comments from the Internet, and not from your head, you compose competently. But in the end, the globe of Kazakhstan is obtained. You look very much like a troll, as already mentioned.
            1. Beck
              Beck 24 October 2012 15: 29
              +1
              Quote: I-16M
              My personal opinion: 40% did not pull on a unitary state


              In Soviet times, the Russian people came to Kazakhstan to raise virgin soil, to develop mineral resources. So this is for the needs of the entire USSR. In your opinion, if a lot of Russians arrived, then the USSR constitution did not work where it was said that every nation has the right to self-determination. Or do you want to do as in Moldova. North Kazakhstan declare a separate state.

              You say with a hint that there was some kind of persecution of Russians in Kazakhstan. What kind? How is it in Yugoslavia, or something like in Nagorno-Karabakh? There was nothing. Why did I speak in everyday life. So this is Russia in 90 at the household shouted Caucasians go to your mountains. This was not beneficial for Kazakhstan. Such spaces simply do not have enough 16 million for full development. We regret that the Russians and Germans left. But they all went to their historic homeland. Many Kazakhs are now coming to Kazakhstan from Mongolia and China. But we do not say that they are driven out of there. They also go to their historic homeland.

              What I bent with skinheads. Shaved heads with a swastika did not run across Kazakhstan and Central Asia and did not beat or kill other people of nationality.

              Quote: I-16M
              You would not touch history, in the name of the rapprochement of our camps.


              Why not touch my story. There were Kazakh khanates. There was a colonization. But this is all a story. Now the leaders of our countries are creating a single geopolitical space. And you are Akmolinsk, I’m not talking.

              I won’t say anything about my head, whom she is interested in. Mine and mine.

              Troll, troll. What is the argument? And in general, I know that this is something negative, but that it is, this word conrentically means I do not know. Yes, and I do not want to know. This ignorance does not prevent me from communicating on the site with people.
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 20 November 2012 01: 19
              -2
              You have porridge-malasha in your head. Kazakhs became 40% of the total population of the republic after in the 50s a mass of guest workers from the RSFSR and Ukraine poured into the Kazakh SSR to plow pasture lands ("virgin epic"), and numerous Komsomol construction projects (this is when they find a deposit, build there mining enterprise, barracks are built around the plant, and then a settlement) and the construction of military infrastructure. If we take into account the hundreds of thousands of soldiers and officers sent from countless military units stationed in Kazakhstan, as well as the mass of exiled Russians of the Stalin era + deported entire peoples - Germans, Koreans, Poles, Chechens, Ingush, Turks and others, it is clear that the Kazakhs are for a couple decades have become a minority in their land.
              If you think according to your logic, then if Tajik migrants become the majority in Moscow, then they have the right to consider Moscow Tajik land ???
  14. dirty trick
    dirty trick 23 October 2012 10: 10
    +1
    Otokar is a privately owned company and, during its existence, has sold over 25 thousand armored vehicles of various types to customers from 30 countries. Moreover, Kazakhstan will be the first state in whose territory the Turkish company creates production for the assembly of its equipment.
    Well, they will start this plant, and so what? I don’t think we should get out with criticism - we already have an Iveco assembly plant.
    if we want everyone to buy only our technology - it is very good to invest in science and design, so that our technology is really the best - only then our allies will lose such ideas!
  15. YOUNG
    YOUNG 23 October 2012 18: 36
    +1
    Quote: Beck
    You provocateur hiding behind the inaccessibility of the Internet. Not seeing the prospects of our common development of Russia and Kazakhstan.

    Totally agree with you BEK! Unfortunately, there are a lot of such people. I don’t understand how many Russians have such hostility towards Kazakhs?
    1. I-16M
      I-16M 24 October 2012 02: 29
      -1
      There is no hostility. From the Russian side.