Partial mobilization - how Ukraine and NATO countries will respond

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Partial mobilization - how Ukraine and NATO countries will respond

Source: voicesevas.ru

After 21 September


September 21, 2022 will enter history on a par with February 24 - Russia for the first time in many decades announced mobilization, albeit partial. This was a response to the increasingly expanding pressure of NATO countries on the Western front. With the support of "partners", the Kyiv regime in certain sectors of the front managed to create a seven to eight-fold numerical advantage in manpower. For an offensive, even taking into account the technical backlog of Bandera, this is more than enough. Something definitely needed to be done about this.

One of the first steps was the partial mobilization of reservists with the most popular military specialties and with real combat experience. Judging by the global agenda, not everyone expected Vladimir Putin's decision. Nevertheless, this is far from the capitulation that the collective West dreams of so much, so the mobilization was expectedly met with hostility.



Counted - wept. Russia has a mobilization potential of 25 million people, and Ukraine - no more than 5 million. A five-fold advantage in manpower alone! Potential, of course. Two such gigantic armies will never meet in eastern Ukraine - the Russians still need personnel to control the longest border in the world. Do not forget about the liberated territories of Ukraine, which can also mobilize more than one hundred thousand reservists.

Russia took the first step, and this seriously frightened the NATO countries. The initiative is now on the side of the Kremlin, and the enemy is forced to adapt to the circumstances. So far, everything is done in general phrases. Macron:

“Putin’s decision to mobilize is a mistake, it’s a bad news for the Russian people… Everyone should put maximum pressure on Putin to stop the war.”

Stoltenberg:

“Russian troops are ill-equipped, they lack proper command and control… Russia cannot win a nuclear conflict.”

Scholz:

“Russia is only making things worse with its latest announcement.”

And everything like that. No specifics, for example, about how 300 thousand trained reservists can harm Russia and its army. There are no concrete steps to escalate the conflict - even Biden at the UNPO session only declared the inviolability of the course of support for Zelensky.

The most interesting thing is that the West cannot undertake something fundamentally new. Except, of course, for the supply of ATACMS tactical missiles, but even here, Kyiv's sponsors will think seven times - such systems may well become the last red lines for the Kremlin. On September 21, Vladimir Putin made it quite clear what would be behind these lines.

There is another delivery option. tanks from the reserves of NATO countries. True, there are difficulties. Russia, announcing mobilization, sharply raised the stakes in Ukraine. Only a nuclear strike on some neutral water area or on a mothballed test site could be more effective. Therefore, the West will postpone the supply of new weapons systems, especially since the American lend-lease will start in October.

All that remains is the option of direct NATO intervention in the conflict with all the attributes - the deployment of units on the territory of Ukraine and a clash with the Russian army. But Biden just recently made it clear that if the United States will fight, it is clearly not for Ukraine. For example, the Americans are ready to defend tiny Taiwan with their soldiers. Verbatim:

"Yes, if there really is an unprecedented attack."

Not a word about Zelensky. It is hard to imagine how hurtful it is for the inhabitants of Bankovaya now.

Ukrainian field of maneuver


If the West is, by and large, an outside observer now, then the situation in Ukraine is much more interesting. The first reaction was a significant silence - the state propaganda of Bandera did not expect such a step from Putin.

Kyiv has nothing to fend off Russian actions, it remains only to play on the nerves of the liberal public. Surprisingly, a country that has survived at least four waves of mobilization is now diligently trolling what is happening in Russia. We have already gone through something similar in the performance of TsIPSO after February 24 - similar calls to go out into the streets and the like.

It is not worth dwelling on this cheap rhetoric; the majority of Russian observers have already developed immunity to such. You just need to understand that in Ukraine, on the eve of winter, fatigue from what is happening will accumulate more and more. The euphoria from the successes in the Kharkov area has passed, new breakthroughs are not visible, and Russia has finally begun to methodically disable the country's infrastructure.

On September 21, for a simple Ukrainian layman, a new blow - the Kremlin announces a partial mobilization. At least 300 reservists may end up on the fields of a special military operation. This is more than Russia put up in the first stage of the conflict, by the way.

In general, Ukrainian propaganda should now, by all means, raise the morale of the “hulks”. But this is all poetry.

What can Ukraine do in connection with the mobilization in Russia?

1. Organize an offensive of last resort. For obvious reasons, the reservists will not appear at the front tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, which means that the nationalists still have time to strike. The calculation is simple - with the available forces to crush the resistance of the allied forces and roll back the front for several tens of kilometers.

This somewhat offsets the efforts to mobilize Russian reservists - the release will not be easy in every sense. According to the most optimistic estimates, the mobilized will be able to appear at the front in a month and a half.

2. Increasing pressure on the West. Zelensky's office has already turned to sponsors with a demand to double the volume of military-technical assistance. Twice! Even if we imagine that the West will react, time is absolutely not on the side of Kyiv.

Reservists will appear at the front much earlier than Europe and America will have time to increase supplies weapons. Some delays with Germany, trying to sit on two or three chairs, which are worth it. Yes, and there is nowhere to collect weapons especially, only withdrawing from their own army. But the factor of Russian mobilization will clearly become an important trump card in Zelensky's negotiations with the leaders of the West.

And here it is already who is faster - the Russian military-industrial complex, which has switched to mobilization rails, or the NATO military machine. Recall that European gunsmiths are still working in peacetime. Let and overfulfilling the plan.

3. Organize a new wave of mobilization. No matter what they say, the reserve of Ukrainian society has not yet been exhausted. The million fighters that Kyiv has been dreaming about since the beginning of the summer have not yet been assembled. Summons are handed out in supermarkets and at pedestrian crossings, but the required number has not been put under the gun.

The decision of the Parliament of Ukraine to support on September 21 the law on voluntary military registration of women looks like an opportune moment. There are no comments here at all. Most likely, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will refuse to “train” the living Bandera force in Western countries, primarily in the UK. It was here that the formations that stormed the Kharkov region were trained. When even a part of 300 thousand Russian reservists appears at the front, such a European bonus becomes a luxury.

The main conclusion that the enemy should think about will be Russia's new role in Ukraine. Here are direct analogies with the Red Army of 1945, which in the battles of the Great Patriotic War became the most powerful land army in the world. That is why they have now calmed down in the Baltic states and closed the entrance for potential reservists from Russia. Not to provoke. And Lithuania has increased the combat readiness of the rapid reaction forces.

After the Kharkov retreat of the allied forces, an atmosphere of complacency reigned in the West. Russia, they say, has already lost the special operation. None of the Europeans even thought about mobilization.

Now for the fearful public, the question is relevant: is partial mobilization the only or extreme step of the Kremlin? And secondly, how far can Russia go west by inertia after Ukraine?
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  1. +5
    23 September 2022 16: 07
    And here it is already who is faster - the Russian military-industrial complex, which has switched to mobilization rails, or the NATO military machine.

    But we consider again bayonets. Mobilize the industry!
    1. dSK
      -5
      23 September 2022 18: 02
      The states entered South Korea not alone, but with allies under the flag of the UN and the USSR with China, they could not "knock them out".
      There is only Russia in Ukraine (Lukashenko will not "fit in" either), if it reaches Kyiv, Zelensky will "deflate" and announce the fulfillment of all "special operation conditions" and its end ...
      1. -2
        23 September 2022 18: 14
        Zelensky "will be blown away" and
        It's better for him to fireworks and then only deal with certain areas.
  2. 0
    23 September 2022 16: 11
    Putin's decision to mobilize is a mistake, this is bad news for the Russian people...
    Not for the people, but for Macron.
    “Russia is only making things worse with its latest announcement.”
    Scholz does worse, it's clear without you, Olaf.
  3. +22
    23 September 2022 16: 11
    And secondly, how far can Russia go west by inertia after Ukraine?

    Let's first reach at least Lviv, and then we will divide Europe? And then, in March, everything was already divided, and then it turned out as it was.
    1. +2
      23 September 2022 16: 21
      Quote: Ingushetia
      Let's first get to at least Lviv

      Quote: Ingushetia
      ...to defend the country.
      From whom and for whom?

      Are you sure you want to reach Lvov with Russian troops?
      1. -1
        23 September 2022 16: 45
        To all the naive Chukchi youths pecking at comments from a one-day account IngushetiaI suggest you follow the link

        https://topwar.ru/202197-chto-izmenitsja-v-svo-posle-provedenija-chastichnoj-mobilizacii.html#comment-id-12893861

        Please be conscious.
        Don't go for the cheap ones.

    2. -2
      23 September 2022 16: 30
      Quote: Ingushetia
      And secondly, how far can Russia go west by inertia after Ukraine?

      Let's first reach at least Lviv, and then we will divide Europe? And then, in March, everything was already divided, and then it turned out as it was.

      Why do we need Lvov, we will drive the Nazis there and let Poland do whatever it wants with them.
      1. -5
        23 September 2022 16: 32
        Yes, yes, but first we will round up, and then we will divide the bear's skin.
        1. 0
          23 September 2022 17: 14
          Something "Ingushetia" is whining with a cisso gomnets, look, the Ingush will be offended, and their daggers are sharp, they will cut their tongue, and maybe not only their tongue ... am
          1. -4
            23 September 2022 17: 57
            Ipat-dig, another threat was found.
            Quote: blackcat
            look, the Ingush will be offended, and their daggers are sharp

            And the Chechens and specifically Ramzan? What is there about David Kasatkin, silently and stoically swallowed the exchange for Medvedchuk?
            1. -2
              25 September 2022 22: 15
              Subtly you are, however, very subtly good "" "" "
          2. +2
            23 September 2022 18: 50
            They can also do "circumcision", up to the very ears.
  4. +1
    23 September 2022 16: 12
    Why would they suddenly be mobilized before NATO puts additional weapons there? Lend-lease starts in October. We were promised that people would be trained first, and this is a few months. Or even the author does not believe in promises?
    1. -7
      23 September 2022 16: 23
      We were promised that people would be trained first, and this is a few months.

      Turn on the brain, it is useful.
      For starters, these people will go simply to the ZVO unit. And the personnel who were there ALREADY went to the Donbass
    2. KCA
      0
      23 September 2022 16: 23
      Leave the mobilized in the rear to train as operational personnel, send regular soldiers and officers from those units where the mobilized will be placed to the front, what are the problems?
      1. +2
        23 September 2022 17: 22
        There is only one problem, the General Staff may not guess before.
        1. -1
          25 September 2022 16: 12
          Do you think that they are sitting in the General Staff (Lavrov's quote is forbidden here)?
          1. 0
            25 September 2022 18: 45
            If not, then they would have broken the ukroreich long ago
      2. NKT
        +2
        24 September 2022 11: 04
        There is information that about 80-100 tons is the completion of existing units in the NWO zone within 2-3 weeks, and the rest is the completion of 3AK and the acquisition of 4AK, 5AK, 6AK, 7AK, which will appear in the NWO at the end of winter.
    3. -7
      23 September 2022 16: 44
      Quote: Old ensign
      Why would they suddenly be mobilized before NATO puts additional weapons there? Lend-lease starts in October. We were promised that people would be trained first, and this is a few months. Or even the author does not believe in promises?

      What few months? belay 2 months maximum! After all, they take, first of all, those who have not yet forgotten the taste of pearl barley, former contract soldiers, reserve officers, with combat experience ...
      1. +1
        23 September 2022 16: 57
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        After all, they take, first of all, those who have not yet forgotten the taste of pearl barley, former contract soldiers, reserve officers, with combat experience ...

        During the period of partial mobilization, persons liable for military service with categories of fitness "A" ("fit"), "B" ("fit with minor restrictions") and "C" (limited fit) are subject to conscription. This is stated in the official explanation on the portal "Explain.rf" ....
        ...According to the explanations of the General Staff, in accordance with the law, they will also not call up those temporarily unfit for health reasons; those who are constantly caring for a family member or a disabled person of group I; those who have four or more dependent children under 16; those whose mothers, in addition to them, have four or more children under eight years of age and raise them without a husband.

        The call for partial mobilization is also not subject to retired military pensioners, that is, those who are over 65 years old, or those who left the troops for health reasons.

        https://lenta.ru/news/2022/09/23/abv/?utm_campaign=breaking-news&utm_medium=browser-notification&utm_source=push-notification
    4. 0
      24 September 2022 16: 03
      they also promised in the ldnr, as a result, on the 3rd day in the trenches
  5. -8
    23 September 2022 16: 16
    And secondly, how far can Russia go west by inertia after Ukraine?
    Not out of inertia, but quite consciously. There will be such a decision - let's go.
    1. +1
      23 September 2022 17: 25
      With our leadership, at least reach Kyiv,
      1. 0
        25 September 2022 16: 14
        So already reached, but then there was a "gesture of good will."
  6. +5
    23 September 2022 16: 16
    Predictions are not a good thing. Which of the Western politicians said what is one thing, but how they will act is quite another. And these actions are difficult to guess.
  7. +4
    23 September 2022 16: 23
    The reservists will appear at the front much earlier than Europe and America will have time to increase the supply of weapons.
    AND? The author is somehow very optimistic about things, one might say out of touch with reality. Will the reservists liberate all of Ukraine in a week? Yes, and 300 thousand is somehow strange, I hope this is a trick of the MO.
    1. +6
      23 September 2022 16: 36
      300 thousand is 20 divisions, it is quite enough to resolve the conflict if used wisely, but most likely these people will be absorbed into marching reinforcements, units for various purposes, and the front will require more and more people.
      1. +2
        23 September 2022 16: 38
        to resolve conflict if used wisely
        I'm saying it probably won't be enough.
        1. +7
          23 September 2022 16: 54
          There were 9 thousand people in the strike force north of Izyum, which is less than one division, the offensive of 20 divisions in one direction will decide the outcome of the war, but it’s not worth hoping that people who started a months-long assault on Maryanka will suddenly turn into masters of operational art.
          1. +4
            23 September 2022 17: 43
            The fact of the matter is that skill is not needed here, you need to know the alphabet first, and our generals are actively stepping on the same rake as in 1941. Did they study history or how to get the next title faster and retire early?
            1. +1
              23 September 2022 19: 05
              The fact of the matter is that skill is not needed here, you need to know the alphabet first, and our generals are actively stepping on the same rake as in 1941. Did they study history or how to get the next title faster and retire early?

              Even at the top level, they could not issue a normal mobilization decree. Under this decree are ALL conscripts. For each region, they thought of issuing their own orders for "partial" mobilization. I give an example

              Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of September 21, 2022 No. 647, from 9:00 a.m. On September 21, 2022, partial mobilization was announced on the territory of ........ .... . .

              I ORDER:

              § 1 To all officers, ensigns, midshipmen, sergeants, foremen, soldiers and sailors of the reserve, permanently residing on the territory of ............., having mobilization orders or who have received personal summons from the military commissariats of municipalities ... ..................., to appear on the dates and points specified in the personal summons, and in case of non-receipt of personal summons, to arrive on the dates and points indicated in the mobilization orders.

              "Listen, comrade,
              The war has begun
              Drop your business
              Get ready for a hike"
              1. 0
                24 September 2022 18: 03
                Quote: Konnick
                ALL persons liable for military service fall under this decree.


                But not everyone will be taken immediately to the unit.

                This mobilization is not a one-time event, but will be carried out as needed.
                As for "everyone" - then update the database for military registration and enlistment offices, this method is effective.
        2. +5
          23 September 2022 17: 41
          The initial grouping was enough, but instead of concentrating forces and destroying the formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, our General Staff decided to cosplay the First World War, spreading a small contingent over a long LBS. How many were the possibilities of encircling the enemy, the same number of none of them were realized. Not a single general with a strategic mind is visible, so 300 reservists by themselves will not affect the course of hostilities in any way unless their very tactics change.
          1. 0
            23 September 2022 18: 09
            unless their tactics change.
            When a brothel ceases to be profitable, the girls are changed, not the curtains.
      2. +3
        23 September 2022 17: 28
        And who will command these 20 divisions, effective colonels, or Arbat generals?
    2. -1
      25 September 2022 16: 16
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Will the reservists liberate all of Ukraine in a week?

      Of course not, but they will help protect controlled territories and possibly even return the lost ones.
  8. +1
    23 September 2022 16: 23
    I was today next to the Sormovo military enlistment office (N. Novgorod), there is a man of 10 men and 15-20 women with them. I didn’t understand whether the wives came to see off, or to excuse
    1. -16
      23 September 2022 16: 36
      Quote: maximNNX
      I was today next to the Sormovo military enlistment office (N. Novgorod), there is a man of 10 men and 15-20 women with them. I didn’t understand whether the wives came to see off, or to excuse

      The meaning of the arrival of these women is not clear, they will not change anything anyway, they disgrace their men.
      1. -2
        25 September 2022 22: 19
        And how they dishonor them, please explain?
    2. -3
      23 September 2022 18: 26
      [quote = maximum1987] either the wives came to see them off, or to excuse them [/ quote]
      [The meaning of the arrival of these women is not clear, [/ quote]

      Maybe the medics are in the military.
    3. 0
      25 September 2022 15: 15
      If you do not understand, then why are you writing this? Or do you not understand the desire to send loved ones to war?
  9. +3
    23 September 2022 16: 26
    Yes, nothing will be done beyond what they have already accepted. You can call me an all-rounder, an alarmist, but if the support of the West continues in the same way and the conflict does not reach the level of a nuclear war, then Russia does not have the strength to win it. Simply because the Western economy is not comparable to the Russian one. And in my opinion (again, without nuclear weapons), the maximum that should be expected is to keep what is now under control (plus / minus) and freeze the conflict for some time. And then either the agenda will change in the West and then Russia will go forward, or there will be a change of power in Russia that wants peace with the West and, accordingly, there will be surrender in the opposite direction.
    And it is worth considering that if the issue is not resolved with sanctions, then keeping even 300 thousand people mobilized for a long time (and this is rather only the first wave) will be very difficult for the Russian economy.
    1. +11
      23 September 2022 18: 30
      There is also the question of whether these 300k will be able to provide everything necessary?
      And then we see, housewives from the very beginning of the conflict collect donations for armor, helmets, medicine, socks and underwear (this is just f***ets). We also saw those mobilized in the LDNR, SSH-60, Mosinka, Kalash, go fight (if you die, it’s not scary).
      We also see the T-62M from storage.
      What's next?
      Will we get the T-55?
      And this is the second army of the world?
      How are you going to fight NATO?
      1. -2
        25 September 2022 22: 21
        And we will put them on the shoulder blades in biathlon.
    2. +3
      23 September 2022 18: 44
      There is one option, this is to completely cut off the supply of gas, oil, coal and other titans. The economy will crumble immediately and they will not be up to Ukraine.
      1. -2
        23 September 2022 20: 24
        The Russian military machine, despite criticism, has not yet shown even 10% of its potential. The morale and willingness to endure adversity among the Russian people is much higher than among the peoples of the EU and the United States. However, it will be very difficult for Russia to win the last conflict with the dying West, and the elites do not yet have this understanding. Most of the state bureaucracy is still hoping to rewind the SVO to February 23, which is impossible in principle, since the machine is already running.
        https://t.me/lobaev_vlad/4622
      2. -1
        23 September 2022 20: 26
        Well, that’s something they don’t use this option, apparently there are nuances.
      3. -1
        30 September 2022 16: 00
        Economy crumble at once

        Russian economy
    3. -2
      24 September 2022 19: 22
      Quote from: filibuster
      but if Western support continues in the same way and the conflict does not reach the level of a nuclear war, then Russia does not have the strength to win it.

      The Taliban, having a mobilization resource several times smaller than the Russian one and not having an industrial resource, won a complete victory over the NATO bloc.
    4. 0
      25 September 2022 06: 47
      Contrary to your opinion, the West has no chance in a war with Russia. The British "tanker", who publicly promised to press the nuclear button, her generals forgot to tell that she does not have any "nuclear button" Britain does not produce enriched uranium, either energy or weapons. Doesn't have. no technology, no production. The same goes for missiles like "Bulava" or "Yars", not to mention the "Sarmat". On British submarines are American Trident, with American nuclear weapons. Accordingly, the button will be pressed in the USA. France supplies fuel for Britain's nuclear power plants, and it is also building new reactors there. Better, to some extent, the situation in the States, but also close to the clinic. They have the only centrifuge enrichment plant recently built. Their old diffuse enrichment method is extremely unproductive and costly. They do not have hypersound, modern cruise missiles, etc. Their military aviation industry distinguished itself with a "collection of jokes - FU-35", and was forced to switch to the modernization of the F-15 and F-16. I don’t see the point in listing how “the king is naked”: let the seeker find it. Why only two countries? These are the main enemies of Russia, the rest of the "West" - podtyavkivayuschie.
    5. 0
      25 September 2022 16: 20
      Quote from: filibuster
      the economy of the West is not comparable to the Russian

      And the economy of the West in comparison with the Taliban? However, everyone remembers how the west from Afghanistan last year drapal.
      1. 0
        25 September 2022 22: 27
        Quote: guest
        Quote from: filibuster
        the economy of the West is not comparable to the Russian

        And the economy of the West in comparison with the Taliban? However, everyone remembers how the west from Afghanistan last year drapal.

        So the USSR could not win. Afghanistan - where the population has been fighting for 100 years.
        1. 0
          25 September 2022 23: 42
          Just compare how ours left there and how the Americans fled.
          1. 0
            26 September 2022 18: 02
            Quote: guest
            Just compare how ours left there and how the Americans fled.

            So-so comparison, ours also ran away in a hurry (many units forgot to notify about this)
        2. 0
          26 September 2022 13: 17
          What victory are we talking about?
          Winning and losing is the definition of shtafirok.
          For the military - the fulfillment of a combat mission, the achievement of the goal of the operation.
          What task was set for the Soviet contingent? Win? Whom?
          The task was set: to support the friendly regime in Kabul with bayonets, to prevent the dushmans from overthrowing it. Our contingent coped with this task. They left - because they received an order from the Commander-in-Chief to leave. And the regime that was friendly to us held out for more than two years, and General Dostum - even more.
          But the Yankees - thrown out, they fled, overtaking their squeal. And their puppet regime and the Afghan army, which the Yankees trained, melted like smoke before the last American plane left the Kabul airport.
  10. +7
    23 September 2022 16: 32
    The analytics are really encouraging.
    The United States got what they wanted, dragged the Russian Federation into a long bloody conflict and receive dividends from this, if we make due efforts and can win, then in the United States of course they will shout about who lost Ukraine, but this territory is not particularly upset important to them.
    1. ada
      -1
      23 September 2022 17: 53
      I apologize in advance for my questions, but I was interested in your comments and, if not difficult, please explain a little more in detail:
      - why 20 divisions?
      - what's not to like about the way troops move as part of marching units and subunits?
      - why do you think that the United States got what they wanted, if the escalation of the bilateral conflict (which has not yet reached a major regional one) is only an insignificant part of the US and US-NATO military planning in the entire strategic direction? Do you think they will refuse to implement these plans?
      - Why don't you consider the territory of Ukraine to be vital for the USA?
      1. +2
        24 September 2022 07: 19
        Because out of 300 thousand, about 20 divisions in the traditional sense of the word can be completed.
        Because pulling apart the reserve in small batches does not allow you to create a shock group.
        What plans?
        Because the United States does not import anything from Ukraine and does not export anything from there.
        And whoever controls it will not affect US national security in any way.
        1. ada
          0
          24 September 2022 18: 25
          Thanks for the answer. It is expected, but I believe you will agree that all these issues are much more complicated and much more voluminous than they are presented through the media.
          The issues of military planning of the US-NATO and other countries, regardless of the level of relations and alliance agreements, in my opinion, should be brought to the attention of the population at the main points, and in threatened areas even more extensively. Obviously, military informing the population is not developed and its potential for influence has not been realized.
          As for Nezalezhnaya - well, take any of the US-NATO "Defenders", at least, especially since, due to the complex structure of NATO, they are forced to publish a fairly large part of the main military planning materials, albeit in a truncated form. Reading between the lines is a must.
    2. +1
      24 September 2022 19: 28
      Quote: Cartalon
      The United States got what they wanted, dragged the Russian Federation into a long bloody conflict and receive dividends from this

      And what does the US get from this? The flow of cheap Russian raw materials instead of Europe is now going to China. China got carte blanche to take over the Russian market. By autumn, Russia should run out of frequency converters Schneider and Siberian raw materials companies, despite their loyalty to the West, will allow their engineers to use Chinese-made frequency converters. After that, many of them will not want to return to Schneider products.
      1. 0
        25 September 2022 22: 30
        And what does the US get from this?
        The main competitor of the US is not China, but the EU. The euro came close to the turnover of the dollar in the world, the euro was stronger than the dollar, a more reliable currency, the growth of the EU came close to the USA. If the EU would be friends with the Russian Federation, it would have caught up with the US long ago, but the US knows how to work. To embroil us with the EU is cool.
        1. -1
          25 September 2022 23: 33
          Quote: Dartik
          The main competitor of the USA is not China,

          The US and the EU have cooperation and political unity. In the event of a conflict, European equipment begins to be sold to the PRC and the West loses its technological superiority in the production of microcircuits. An ally and partner cannot be treated harshly, as Germany and the United States have acted with Russia since 2014.
          1. 0
            26 September 2022 18: 01
            Quote: gsev
            Quote: Dartik
            The main competitor of the USA is not China,

            The US and the EU have cooperation and political unity. In the event of a conflict, European equipment begins to be sold to the PRC and the West loses its technological superiority in the production of microcircuits. An ally and partner cannot be treated harshly, as Germany and the United States have acted with Russia since 2014.

            No, only they are allies politically and militarily, because the Trans-Atlantic Trade Treaty was not concluded, and now they have a simple facilitation trade agreement. I didn’t understand about Europe, because at the moment the US dependence on the EU in the field of microelectronics is stronger, the same ASML company and the construction of new microelectronic plants in the EU. Until 2014, Russia and the EU were moving towards simplified trade (in 2014 they wanted to abolish the visa regime) I think if there had not been a turning point in 2014, the Association with the EU would have been signed
    3. 0
      26 September 2022 13: 20
      Quote: Cartalon
      but especially not to get upset, this territory does not belong to the vital ones for them.


      She is vital to us. The USA will be upset and very strongly.
      The Yankees wouldn't have raised the stakes so high and pumped up Ukraine so much if it wasn't important to them.
      Z. Brzezinski elucidated this issue in great detail.
  11. 0
    23 September 2022 16: 33
    Good. Now imagine for a second that the reservists, that is, people experienced in the past who have somewhat forgotten their military affairs, come to the existing units in the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, the Volga region, and so on. Within three to five days, they will accept cases and those whom they replaced will go to Donbas tomorrow? Suddenly? Don't know. Experienced intelligence and general staff officers in all enemy countries keep their finger on the pulse. And it is unlikely that something like this is not kept in the head.

    In other words, an increase in the size of the Russian army on the Ukrainian front is not excluded in the near future.

    By the way, I was at the military registration and enlistment office yesterday. They called me and asked me to come - without a summons. And I was offered to work in the arms depots - this is my military specialty. Apparently to replace those who go from there to the Donbass. By the way, in order to accept cases, I need no more than a week - when I left for the reserve, I handed over cases in five days.

    If I were five ten years younger, I would probably agree. Because I feel responsible. Now I will not pull, because the forces are not the same, and a lot of sores. On the other hand, I’m a little calm that a pension is on the nose, and I definitely won’t fight. Here is such a state. There is no need to make any decisions so as not to regret it and not feel remorse.
    1. -1
      23 September 2022 16: 51
      Quote from nellyjuri
      If I were five ten years younger, I would probably agree.

      I have already said that my age is "outrageous" and there is no military specialty that is needed there now; but if, at the "nearest" military unit, training courses were organized, for example, for ATGM operators, anti-aircraft gunners, then I would be like there ... just in case!
      1. ada
        +1
        25 September 2022 09: 38
        At the expense of courses - I support, but it is unlikely that there are few resources for this in the garrisons. There is truth in the military departments, but this option through VK would be nice. Here, one cannot underestimate individual training, starting with the study of guidance documents, modern information on the OShS of our units and subunits and the enemy (probable enemy), the structure of the Armed Forces, the performance characteristics of weapons and military equipment, methods and methods of maintaining a database, the features of a theater of operations, the methodology for forming unit units and deploying TCB combat coordination bases and other issues of mobilization deployment, including garrison activities, TerO, GO.
        Some handdocs have undergone drastic changes and have many additions - a lot of firewood will be broken without studying them.
    2. +4
      23 September 2022 17: 19
      Quote from nellyjuri
      Within three to five days, they will accept cases and those whom they replaced will go to Donbass tomorrow?

      What will they ride? On what technique? If the division goes to the front .. it goes all. Including with divisional ammunition depots .. food and things. And if not .. then this is a profanity ..
      1. 0
        23 September 2022 18: 30
        Here you are just wrong. For example, I handed over the case to the artillery captain. Mortar and howitzer artillery. We also had artillery tractor drivers. There were just Kamaz and Ural drivers. In my opinion, we actually had at least 50 people out of 200 military personnel and civilians in general with the necessary specialties. Approximately half of all are conscripts.

        Here's the conclusion.
        1. -1
          23 September 2022 19: 59
          Quote from nellyjuri
          Here you are just wrong. For example, I handed over the case to the artillery captain.

          I understood your idea .. It turns out that they will go to parts already operating in Ukraine. Purely to replenish the thinned personnel and officers.
          1. +1
            24 September 2022 05: 21
            Nearly. It is possible that they will take something from their ZIP. When I served in Transbaikalia, I saw huge warehouses and shells and artillery and cars. Another thing is that all this was stored and often needed maintenance. The servicemen constantly started the equipment, serviced it, and so on. Round. But sometimes the circle reached two or three years.
      2. +1
        23 September 2022 19: 12
        What will they ride? On what technique? If the division goes to the front .. it goes all. Including with divisional ammunition depots .. food and things. And if not .. then this is a profanity ..

        For one rifle division of full strength in 1941, 40 echelons were required for the transfer.
        The authors of this decree ... the words of Lavrov.
        1. +2
          24 September 2022 05: 27
          Now three to four times less. The trains are longer and the carrying capacity of the wagons is higher. But even 40 compositions is about nothing. When I worked at the Balyaga station near Petrovsk-Zabaykalsky, I saw a train moving every three minutes. Of course in different directions. Calculate how many per day. Another thing is that the loading of equipment is not a fast process, not on the platforms themselves, but organizational. It is necessary to prepare and place all the equipment near the station. I went to the exercises and saw this whole mess. All are worn all twitchy.
          1. +2
            24 September 2022 06: 26
            Now three to four times less

            Now there should be an order of magnitude more equipment in a motorized rifle division. Then the rifle division was not provided with transport for the infantry.
            1. 0
              24 September 2022 11: 49
              During the Second World War there was no motorized infantry. And the number of infantry and rifle divisions was different. Now the motorized infantry division is very different in size.

              In what you are right. I once served in the same personnel department. There was a deployment of three divisions at once - tank, artillery and motorized rifle. There were only about 4000 KAMAZ trucks there. But as far as I know, these KAMAZ trucks are not for participation in hostilities. They are for mobilization purposes. They were supposed to collect all those liable for military service from the military registration and enlistment offices.

              When I got to Mongolia and once got to the exercises there, we went to the exercises on our own, it was part of the exercise, and back we loaded into the cars. If my memory serves me right, then in the afternoon we withdrew from the position, and in the evening our equipment was already on the platform. In general, they were all taken out in two days. A tank regiment, artillery howitzer, artillery anti-tank and motorized rifles participated in the exercises. That is, consider a full-fledged division. By the way, there were no incidents. Everyone survived and even found a machine gun lost by someone.
              1. 0
                24 September 2022 11: 54
                During the Second World War there was no motorized infantry


                You are wrong, just one example

                In early July 1941, near the city of Borisov, the 1st Moscow Motorized Rifle Division, using mobile defense, held back the advance of the 18th Wehrmacht Panzer Division along the Minsk-Moscow highway for more than ten days.

                The division had 250 tanks and 1200 vehicles.
      3. ada
        0
        25 September 2022 09: 53
        The division rides in different ways, it can also be on foot separate and consolidated. wassat Depends on the area (areas) of formation and sources of acquisition and provision, road transport network. Here, even a month may not be enough for loading and unloading and receiving weapons and military equipment, ammunition and supplies of voluntary medical insurance and building up the deployment base and BS. In those good times, sometimes, according to the calculations, the deadlines did not fit.
    3. +3
      23 September 2022 17: 52
      I am generally 33 years old, but the sores are like those of a 50-year-old. Of course, I won’t run from the draft, but I won’t last half a year in the database zone. The funny thing is that the military officer lists the VUS - the senior mechanic of armored vehicles and tracked vehicles at their base, but I have never been involved in repairing tanks, only the initial maintenance of the chassis. It’s more sense to take me as a gunner by profession, at one time I shot very accurately from the PKT and not bad from 2a46m1. Although the percentage of hits from the cannon was miserable during firing, I don’t know why, maybe the barrels of the T80 have never been changed since release, after all, the training regiment, each conscript fired 6 shells, the resource was eaten up quickly.
  12. +4
    23 September 2022 16: 34
    A lot but...
    1. Will people be trained (no need to believe in fairy tales that all specialists are like that right from home and into the tank)
    2. will such a mass of people be equipped as required with modern weapons, etc.
    3. The alignment of new armies or a lot of people will simply be dissolved among those available in the rear (to the incapable of adding still incapable) or at the front, the warring units will be diluted, from which follows 4 but
    4. Will the military commanders cope with such contingents (judging by the beginning of the NWO, they have complete handshaking)
    5. I personally don’t understand the goal, if the goal is Dnepr, Odessa, this may be enough, taking the whole country 300t is not enough
  13. +1
    23 September 2022 16: 35
    Those who are friends with logic, economics and history have long considered the next steps.
    The smooth involvement of the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Europe and America in an increasing conflict.
    Smoothly, so as not to scare.
    In order to have time to develop a military-industrial complex, quietly squander the Russian economy, spend resources, and form public opinion, send money to Z, YV? all the flaws and mistakes...
    Who was responsible, for example, for rising prices and the failure of import substitution? Yes, no one, the Special Operation wrote off everything ....
    And it's about the same...
    imperialism in the yard.
  14. +1
    23 September 2022 16: 40
    Operation Mars ... Rzhev ... All the same are at the head ...
  15. IVZ
    +1
    23 September 2022 16: 42
    And secondly, how far can Russia go west by inertia after Ukraine?
    The Russian army does not go by inertia, but by order. And most likely it will reach Kaliningrad through Warsaw. (What about dreaming?)
  16. -3
    23 September 2022 16: 50
    Quote: Ingushetia
    And secondly, how far can Russia go west by inertia after Ukraine?

    Let's first reach at least Lviv, and then we will divide Europe? And then, in March, everything was already divided, and then it turned out as it was.

    You need to understand that we are ALREADY in Europe. And the division of the EU and NATO goes on as usual. Through different, and never reconciled interests of different countries.


    Victory without war is the ideal option.
    1. +1
      23 September 2022 17: 17
      Somehow they fought in World War II.
      That the natives and the remnants of the industry of Europe will cackle there - no one cares. It is under the full power and political control of the United States, so ordinary people have nowhere to go and somehow they cannot resist this.
      Russia is too disorganized to use it. It would be possible to clearly describe the disposition, to publicly and ACCESSIBLY designate the colonial nature of Europe and the features of the totalitarian regime. It is clear to promote parallels with the Second World War. Buzz it all ears. Instead, some rotten clericalisms sound from us.
      Damn, zadolbali use the term "Russophobia". Given the Nazi upbringing of the Europeans and the off-scale propaganda, they perceive this as something purely positive. It is necessary to promote the word Nazism, which is more correct and broad in meaning, but still has a negative connotation.
      Without this, Europeans can only be poor, starve and go to war, that's all.
    2. -1
      24 September 2022 14: 38
      )))
      You see, the situation with the same oil has changed a lot since 2019.
  17. +7
    23 September 2022 17: 12
    The issue is that the US has no barriers to stop the pressure. They have a huge human reserve, if they wish, they will send at least millions of mercenaries.
    Tanks and stuff - everything will be. Squeaks about a cold winter do not stand up to criticism; during a war of this level, this is about nothing. The United States does not risk anything, but it has the potential to crush us - and this would be very beneficial for them.
    Therefore, I bet on further escalation, and it turns out that Russia's actions are again catching up.
  18. -1
    23 September 2022 17: 15
    Partial mobilization - how Ukraine and NATO countries will respond

    They won't answer anything. They will twitch as much as they can. If the GDP remains true to the words of the appeal and accepts only the surrender of the West, Russia will be able to regain its lost reputation as a country that cannot be trifled with with threats and words of destruction.
  19. -1
    23 September 2022 17: 19
    Is Russia only making Scholz worse?
    So it's great for the Russian - kaput for the German!
    Worse for him...
    We are not hurting him yet, yet. But we don't guarantee anything. The referendum in the GDR will show, and we will recognize and conclude ...
  20. -4
    23 September 2022 18: 58
    Well, to call mobilization an initiative seems somewhat reckless to me.
  21. -1
    23 September 2022 19: 43
    Quote: NG inform
    Somehow they fought in World War II.
    That the natives and the remnants of the industry of Europe will cackle there - no one cares. It is under the full power and political control of the United States, so ordinary people have nowhere to go and somehow they cannot resist this.
    Russia is too disorganized to use it. It would be possible to clearly describe the disposition, to publicly and ACCESSIBLY designate the colonial nature of Europe and the features of the totalitarian regime. It is clear to promote parallels with the Second World War. Buzz it all ears. Instead, some rotten clericalisms sound from us.
    Damn, zadolbali use the term "Russophobia". Given the Nazi upbringing of the Europeans and the off-scale propaganda, they perceive this as something purely positive. It is necessary to promote the word Nazism, which is more correct and broad in meaning, but still has a negative connotation.
    Without this, Europeans can only be poor, starve and go to war, that's all.

    If you want to eat, you won't get so upset. What the hell, they are under the heel of the United States. And what, they won’t go to smash the stores that will still remain? Yes, how. Yellow vests of Paris. The Germans will remember, then they are a great nation, they will cut out their uninvited. You don't know how quickly a mass of nationalist sentiments takes over. Ukraine has not taught anything? Then you are Mr. Tree.
  22. +1
    23 September 2022 21: 38
    Russia has a mobilization potential of 25 million people, and Ukraine - no more than 5 million. A five-fold advantage in manpower alone! Potential, of course.

    I beg your pardon, Author, do you ever think what you write? Or "he is spared from the mind by the training manual"?
  23. +2
    23 September 2022 21: 44
    That's how it always is!
    At the beginning - the reduction of the army ("there is nothing to feed the idlers").
    Then Serdyukov was appointed Minister of Defense.
    Then the "budget rule" and $300 billion in a stub. Fund (which was presented to friends), and these are 5 annual budgets of the RF Ministry of Defense !!!!
    The result of this policy: "Brothers, brothers! We mobilize everyone. Save us from the Nazis!"
    It is bitter to see this game of worthless politicians.
    By the way, from October 1, they are going to index the monetary allowance of military personnel (according to the results of 2021) by as much as 4%!!@!!!
  24. -3
    23 September 2022 21: 44
    "Russia has a mobilization potential of 25 million people, and Ukraine - no more than 5 million. A five-fold advantage in manpower alone! Potential, of course." - the preponderance of Ukrainians, mercenaries sent from NATO and the USA will be incomparably higher, not to mention economic and technological superiority ...
  25. -1
    23 September 2022 23: 49
    If 25 million, this is the number of men 18-50, then of them 2 million are officials, 1 million are military, 1 million are the police, the National Guard, the FSB and other ministries of emergency situations, who are still convicted and serving about 2 million, and some more are unfit for health reasons . The rest is about 15 million. What will happen to the economy if every ... tenth is pulled out. Calculate the proportion yourself from the expected number of mobiles.
  26. -1
    24 September 2022 04: 58
    How it stuck in our teeth ... We are at war with NATO ... If we were at war with NATO, we would roll out Raseyushka, with our stupids in the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, to smithereens ... And then yes, "get up a huge country" ... Children's excuses - everything is NATO and the USA in addition, but the mind is not enough to turn the Armed Forces of Ukraine (drug addicts and homosexuals) into dust in half a year ... But mobilization is a separate topic ... The age of the Internet ... And an eternal quote - "... we wanted the best, but it turned out as always ..."
  27. +4
    24 September 2022 10: 46
    Since the slogan of our political leadership is "One step forward, two steps back", I believe the next move will be two steps back.
  28. +3
    24 September 2022 14: 44
    And now about reality.
    In September, an opinion appeared that the existing grouping of "allied forces" (contract army + volunteers + Donbas mobiles, how many of them are still left + Kadyrovtsy, VVshniki, etc.) not only cannot attack, but is also unlikely to hold the already occupied territory . It was made, I confess, an unexpected decision to sharply raise the stakes on the Russian side.
    Well, let's see if this game will be supported by overseas grandfather. He has much less at stake in any development of events. Ukraine can hardly do anything on its own here - it already has enough people, and in terms of weapons it depends solely on its allies.
  29. -1
    24 September 2022 18: 35
    Quote: Negro
    )))
    You see, the situation with the same oil has changed a lot since 2019.

    I agree. Energy is made up of many components. And the situation with some is reflected in others. For example, the situation with gas..... How can you compare that time with this one? And what about oil prices? Let's see.

    1. ada
      0
      25 September 2022 10: 23
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      ... And what about the prices ...

      Everything will be fine with prices ... they simply won’t exist, well, not at all, they will simply be recalculated much later, when the time comes for Europe to repay US debts and probably not just dollars, but new electronic dollars wassat
  30. 0
    25 September 2022 12: 51
    ssy, subjected the Ukrainian people to brutal propaganda. Mixed in the trash good-bad. It is impossible to demand from the people an understanding of the situation after such a pumping. Ukrainians give their lives for the hero of TV series. Shvonder, the Ukrainian people, slightly stoned, a little bit redneck, promoted by the means of mass pro-propaganda.
  31. 0
    25 September 2022 13: 58
    Quote: ada
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    ... And what about the prices ...

    Everything will be fine with prices ... they simply won’t exist, well, not at all, they will simply be recalculated much later, when the time comes for Europe to repay US debts and probably not just dollars, but new electronic dollars wassat

    You don't know. No recalculations AFTER. There is a contract, and the price is agreed there. Unilateral revisions - through the court. You don't have to show your incompetence. Think of something bigger.
  32. 0
    25 September 2022 14: 01
    Quote: Negro
    And now about reality.
    In September, an opinion appeared that the existing grouping of "allied forces" (contract army + volunteers + Donbas mobiles, how many of them are still left + Kadyrovtsy, VVshniki, etc.) not only cannot attack, but is also unlikely to hold the already occupied territory . It was made, I confess, an unexpected decision to sharply raise the stakes on the Russian side.
    Well, let's see if this game will be supported by overseas grandfather. He has much less at stake in any development of events. Ukraine can hardly do anything on its own here - it already has enough people, and in terms of weapons it depends solely on its allies.

    For spreading outright lies, article. Remember that ......
  33. 0
    25 September 2022 14: 06
    We have known about the "potential" for a long time. Even grandfather Brezhnev at the congresses of the CPSU said: "We have everything. To ..." And as a result, in peacetime, they themselves gouged their country.
    The richest in the world.

    So you can't get through us with "potential". In general, we are specialists in parts like p-r-o-s-r-a-t-b any potential.
  34. -1
    25 September 2022 15: 07
    Putin also said - confine ourselves to the Donbass. But I'm not sure it will end there. Ukrainians, even if they do not attack, will not refuse shelling
    1. 0
      25 September 2022 16: 32
      Quote: chingachguc
      Putin also said - confine ourselves to the Donbass.

      When did he say this? Half a year ago? Even then, it was already said that Russia's demands would only get tougher over time. At least Kherson and Zaporozhye will also now be Russian.
  35. 0
    25 September 2022 15: 15
    Let an extraordinary gay parade be held drinks
  36. -1
    26 September 2022 02: 27
    Russia has a mobilization potential of 25 million people, and Ukraine - no more than 5 million

    Well, what kind of mob potential does the "collective west" have? EU ok. 450 million population + US approx. 330 million population + WB 66 million. All this without Australia, Canada, Scandikov. OK. 840 million people OR 6 times more than the population of the Russian Federation. That is, the mobile potential of the "collective west" is at least 5 times greater than the mobile potential of the Russian Federation.
    Perhaps in terms of the number of those who served, this proportion will be lower (than 5x), but in the number of potentially fit for the armed forces, this proportion will be higher, as well as in the number of military professionals (active and retired). So it goes.
    The preponderance of the kakbe hints at the only nuclear conflict, in which, again, everything can be NOT SO UNIQUE, by analogy with how "not so clearly" the NWO developed, contrary to the wet fantasies of "taking Kyiv in 3 days" or "the collapse of the Ukrainian state ". The last months-years make us think more and more about how strong the granite of our postulates and fabrications regarding what and how security is based on..
    Are we really able to "calculate" the Western elites and their psychology of action? Is our set of tools really capable of meeting precisely a LARGE-SCALE pre-nuclear conflict AND, in fact, a large-scale nuclear one? Because in the course of the NMD, let’s say, a lot of questions arose about strategic intelligence, analytics ..mdam-s. And many other questions. Which has no end. The state of the fleet, coverage even in virtually peaceful (for the rear) time of a request for high-precision weapons, UAVs, the state of affairs, sir, in terms of prompt, articulate and high-quality informing the population. In fact, the population itself in a significant mass perceived even such a mobilization "not really." At least in big cities. That is called "without enthusiasm." Total military ecstasy did not happen, for 6 months of the NWO, a significant part of the population, as before, remained as pampered inhabitants. For several generations, conditions have developed for the value reorientation of M and M, as a result of which not just Welfare is put at the forefront, but in fact the Egocentrism of Personal Needs, Personified Escapism, extreme pragmatism in the perception of people around and constructions, superficial perception, cosmopolitanism, consumerism, infantilism, materialism, indifference and so on. The state largely depends on these people, with these cockroaches in their heads. Because they produce, consume, entertain other, more amorphous ones, turn the handwheel of the economy, so to speak. What do you think this layer will have in mind when (and if) it really smells of fried in the air? Will they continue to spin this wheel, or will they massively precipitate and catatonia? Indeed, unlike the "West", we have big problems in creating an attractive picture of what is happening (for these people as well). We don’t know how to do it so well, and we didn’t really try to learn.

    Why am I all this .. hope, yeah .. this, of course, is very good. Excellent even. Inspiring. But there are not so many of our pieces on the board (ALREADY) as if we WANTED it (we are no longer the USSR). Yes, and these figures are no longer of the same scale .. we must remember this, dumping them all on the board. It is good to scare when there is something (and by whom).
    1. 0
      27 September 2022 09: 33
      With the mob potential in the West, things are much worse than in the Russian Federation, however. Demographics are bad, young people ... sleep and see how to pull the strap, yeah. Who is there to call? Tiktoker gamers? Those who stare at the TV for 10 hours a day, chewing chips? Or descendants of migrants who don't give a damn about the new "supposedly homeland"? Or maybe transgender?
      Consumer attitude to life, hedonism and escapism... in this regard, we are just a pale shadow compared to Western countries, they have been on this path longer and gone further. They are much more spoiled with comfort, so being a hero is only on the monitor screen in the next shooter.
      In a local conflict, the number of pieces on the board is not so significant. Well, if the conflict becomes global, all the more so... the chessboard itself will turn into radioactive dust.
      1. 0
        28 September 2022 01: 53
        1) The provinces with a strong provincial culture in the same USA are larger in numerical terms than ours. And this province is much healthier in every sense, but above all in terms of physical condition.
        2) And these people know how to shoot, often from childhood. What can hardly be said about the vast majority of our conscripts. For a couple of months of training with state-owned cartridges, you won’t learn this like that.
        3) All arguments about "radioactive dust" are a significant assumption. Until February 24, armchair theorists painted a completely unambiguous picture of how we would "crush" Ukraine like a rotten fruit - however, everything still works and even snaps at times. So about "radioactive dust" I would not be so sure. I always remember the analogy with the chemical weapons of Adolf Aloizovich, which calmly lay until the end of BB2 without being used. By itself, a pre-nuclear conflict can develop very smoothly, theoretically it can even result in a local nuclear one - but a worldwide holocaust is the last thing any elites want. Here's a limited scale - please. But not worldwide. And whether they will arrange "the whole world into dust" in the face of such a step is a big question.
        4) Our society, unfortunately, does not look so cool against the backdrop of the Western one, as the jingoistic patriots would like. The standard of living of the lower classes, spirituality, fertility, statistics of alcoholism, suicides, divorces,% of whose children could be called absolutely healthy - here we are not ahead of the "pernicious West".
        5) Despite the significant "blue" distortions, Western states (USA, EU) show an enviable positive growth trend, achieved not only through migrants, but also through natural reproduction. God grant us to have such population growth even with migrants! So if "there" really are so many "these ones", then "not these ones" do the job of demographics well enough for them, so well that it's time for us to think.
        6)
        Or descendants of migrants who don't give a damn about the new "supposedly homeland"?

        There, people may sneeze, at times, but if they have any property, then no. The Western world was built like a melting pot, in which capital relations trained people so that they would not "easily" lower the rake, humbly looking at how the earth was burning under them (preved 1991) - and if they faced a real prospect of losing polymers, you you won't recognize those cute wide smiling faces. There is not so much patriotism in "our" understanding, but they have their own. This is the patriotism of an organized society, a full stomach and their "right side". The world in their vision stands on things that they created, invented, built THEY. It is constantly hammered into their heads that their civilization is at the top of the food chain. It's one thing to rage in kitchens about US imperialism somewhere in Cuba, but it's quite another thing when these people find themselves in San Francisco with jobs and children. A completely different song begins! Just as you, a ten-year-old, didn’t want to fit into your six-year-old pants at all, so these very “migrants” in the bulk will be completely reluctant to “blame” back to the cooled hearth. There, after all, citizenship is not handed out for beautiful eyes either.
        1. 0
          28 September 2022 08: 32
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          1) The provinces with a strong provincial culture in the same USA are larger in numerical terms than ours. And this province is much healthier in every sense, but above all in terms of physical condition.


          Oh really?
          And by the way, is this "healthy province" setting the tone for US public life? Does she promote LGBT values, BLM and all that?
          And if the province prefers other values, will it defend those who are close to all this postmodernity?
          Yes, the best soldiers are from the countryside. But there are fewer such rednecks in the USA, the majority of the population is in large cities. Americans have long been a divided nation, including at the mental level. In fact, on the threshold of GW, while "cold". What kind of unity and brotherhood in arms is there.
          Ask yourself why most Western countries have switched to a professional contract army. Not at all because of its supposedly high efficiency. It's just that the recruiting principle of recruitment became, in fact, impossible. What kind of mass mobilization is there ... it is simply impossible.
          The army, any, is a purely totalitarian institution. And for a successful army service, you need a special mindset, an instilled system of values, which is very poorly combined with the liberal paradigm (freedom of the individual, human rights, etc.).
          So, alas, there will no longer be any mass armies in the countries of the West, as before.

          But not worldwide. And whether they will arrange "the whole world into dust" in the face of such a step is a big question.


          Escalation can easily get out of hand. The fact that you can control everything is just an illusion.

          Our society, unfortunately, does not look so good against the backdrop of the Western one, as the jingoistic patriots would like. The standard of living of the lower classes, spirituality, fertility, statistics of alcoholism, suicides, divorces,% of whose children could be called absolutely healthy - here we are not ahead of the "pernicious West".


          Is that all right in the West? In the USA - relatively yes, but ... those who were called "vasps" (white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant) will soon become a national minority. And Latinos and blacks do not care deeply about imperial ambitions.
          Well, about Europe ... it is much worse there than here. In 50 years, Europe will cease to be Europe, it will become a continuation of North Africa or the Middle East.

          The Western world was built like a melting pot


          Just nonsense. The real melting pot is Russia. We even managed to Russify the Jews. As for the West, there is no fusion, no unity, no united nations. Migrants categorically refuse to assimilate with indigenous nations and accept the indigenous value system.
          The same USA is just a big salad bowl, where separate ethnic "ingredients" seem to be together - but each on its own. Latin quarters, Negro quarters, Arab quarters... where true Yankees don't even go in, so as not to get soup. So here you are wrong.
          1. 0
            28 September 2022 10: 51
            1)
            And by the way, is this "healthy province" setting the tone for US public life? Does she promote LGBT values, BLM and all that?

            And what, we have the most healthy part of the nation sets the tone in public life? Or are they also playing various garbage on TV and pushing one controversial project after another into the State Duma? Maybe we have a renaissance in popular culture or in the field of interethnic relations? No. This part of society, as a rule, is "not particularly asked", it just silently freaks out from what is happening and waits for the moment when the time comes for simple decisions and politicians calling for them.
            2)
            And if the province prefers other values, will it defend those who are close to all this postmodernity?

            They will stand up for the acquired and habitual way of existence. Americans like their way of life, they are completely reluctant to lose it. For the sake of this, they were ready to roam around the world in Iraq, Afghanistan, for this they have so many bases and such a huge fleet and armed forces. All this has existed for decades and is firmly soldered into their culture - and you tell me that behind this facade everything is rotten and is about to fall)) It's funny.
            3)
            Americans have long been a divided nation, including at the mental level

            Speaking of this, you must understand that in our case the state of things is no better, and perhaps even worse. However, we still exist - and even in the 90s there was no GW. Given that the prerequisites were more than enough. Unlike us, Americans are overwhelmingly mono-religious, parts of their country (excluding Alaska) are much better connected by transport than parts of ours, and much more tied to each other economically. The water is muddied by minorities and individual politicians for electoral reasons - a real split is infinitely far away, everyone is satisfied with the current well-fed life (even if it sags, it is still well-fed)
            4)
            Ask yourself why most Western countries switched to a professional contract army

            For the same reason that not all weapons were supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine - teaching a person to use modern weapons (the most effective) is not like teaching him to dig trenches with a sapper and shoot from a Kalash. A modern contract soldier is a Specialist and not cannon fodder, this specialist knows how to work with equipment and data, he is an effective combat unit, not because from "100 meters to a squirrel in the eye", but because in his hands modern models of Western technology are the most deadly, because he is part of a complex of such specialists. If an array of conscripts is driven into this system, what will they do there? The same as always - Kalash, trenches. Do they need it now? No. Vietnam taught the same United States a lot - they began to rely much more on intelligence and high-precision, here the draft army will not help them in any way. Some Western states still rely on the draft, but it is never the draft of everything "with arms and legs".
            It's funny that you doubt NATO's ability to mobilize) Let's start successfully with ours)
            5)
            Escalation can easily get out of hand. The fact that you can control everything is just an illusion.

            These are old mantras, but is it really so? We are, unfortunately, very fond of old mantras wherever possible. And regularly the floor falls under us.

            Is that all right in the West?

            There is an expression "while the fat one dries, the thin one dies." The whole world is now unhealthy, but the distance to the earth is different for everyone. In the event of a real crisis, "developed states" fall much longer than developing ones.
            6)
            Just bullshit

            And they themselves wrote selective nonsense) Russified the Jews?) Ahah)
            As for the West - no fusion, no unity, no single nations

            The USA is the first (or second) economy of the planet, the EU is the largest economic union. Well, well, they didn’t create, they didn’t build. All on snot..
            Okay, the level is clear) I'm bored.
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              28 September 2022 14: 36
              . Partly YES! Since the government is forced to take into account the mood of the majority. Therefore, all these gender troubles are condemned at the highest level and the emphasis is on "traditional values", "spiritual bonds" and the like.

              2. Which has already begun to crumble. A global revision of its history, the demolition of monuments ... it will only be cooler.
              If I had been told 15 years ago that American citizens would storm the Capitol, I would not have believed it myself.

              3. We exist, but the former state has collapsed, we live in its stump. We actually had GV, both on the outskirts and in the center of the country (October 1993).
              It did not completely flare up thanks to Soviet remnants in the mentality.
              There is no monoreligion there. There are Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, sectarians, Satanists, atheists... the whole package. And more flexible and less centralized economic ties, on the contrary, make collapse less painful and therefore more likely. Texas and California stand to gain by breaking away from subsidized states.

              4. You yourself have shown why mass conscription is impossible in the West. After all, most of the recruits simply do not meet such strict criteria that you yourself painted. And those who are capable will prefer to remain in civilian life, where they realize their abilities more profitably.

              5. "It hurts more to fall from a camel than from a donkey."

              6. No nonsense. Where else can you find Jews who have to be taught Hebrew after repatriation, because in our country they cannot connect even two words in Hebrew.
              In Israel they are called "Russians".

              7. Not connected in any way.
              Built thanks to the robbery of the rest of the world.
              Rome built a lot of things and not at all thanks to some kind of unity.
              The horde is ready Alaric - built little. But how the conflict with the Goths ended for Rome is well known.
              You can continue to remain with your illusions, this is your right.
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    26 September 2022 10: 54
    Analytics, mln:

    "If the West is, by and large, an outside observer now ..."
    [i] [/ i]

    Observer? Not a member?
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    27 September 2022 15: 29
    Quote from dsk
    The states entered South Korea not alone, but with allies under the flag of the UN and the USSR with China, they could not "knock them out".

    China then just ended the civil war, and the USSR the world war. And the United States beat at the pinnacle of power, but did not kill them only because of the death of Stalin.
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    30 September 2022 22: 49
    Partial mobilization was a very coup for Putin. Yes, there were many mistakes, but at the same time, Russia can eliminate these mistakes and announce another mobilization next year. But not only people with a gun are important. Fewer people, more smart weapons and a trained expert. This partial mob am Illization will check all this, errors will be removed, warehouses will be filled. One thing is important, the whole country must be involved in this war. am