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Zelensky’s office urgently demands from the West the supply of tanks and long-range missiles in response to mobilization in Russia

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Zelensky’s office urgently demands from the West the supply of tanks and long-range missiles in response to mobilization in Russia

In Kyiv, they reacted rather nervously to the announcement of partial mobilization in Russia. Despite the bravura statements of some Ukrainian politicians, Zelensky’s office is sounding the alarm and urgently demanding that Western sponsors take any measures that can influence the situation. And of course put as much as possible weaponsIncluding Tanks and long-range missiles.


Kyiv has very little time left to somehow influence the situation. At the moment, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are conducting offensive operations, taking advantage of their advantage in the number of personnel and not paying attention to losses in both manpower and equipment, hoping for supplies from the West. However, literally in two or three weeks the situation may change dramatically, when Russia begins to build up its forces, and Ukraine loses its only advantage.

In Kyiv, all the bells are already ringing, demanding from the United States, as the main sponsor of the regime, the supply of tanks and long-range missiles to the HIMARS MLRS. Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the presidential office in Ukraine, said that the West must respond to the referendums and mobilization in Russia.

Ukraine's allies should supply it with more HIMARS missiles, including those with a range of up to 300 km, as well as American Abrams tanks

- he said.

According to available information, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at the suggestion of Zelensky, is preparing two strikes, one in the north, the second in the south. The goal of the first is to break through the front in the Kharkov direction, occupy the northern regions of the LPR and completely liberate the Kharkov region. The purpose of the second is to break through the defenses in the Zaporozhye direction, occupy Melitopol and reach the Sea of ​​Azov. The offensive will begin in the coming days, as Kyiv cannot wait, there are rains and washed-out roads ahead, as well as an increase in the size of the Russian group.

According to experts, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have almost no chances, the Russian troops are ready for such a development of events, but Zelensky has nowhere else to go, only the offensive of the Russian troops is predicted further.

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  1. mitroha
    mitroha 21 September 2022 19: 54
    +15
    Wow, they demand it right away, right urgently ... And what has changed? It seems like they were always so brazenly stupid?
    1. Sergio_7
      Sergio_7 21 September 2022 19: 56
      +12
      And everything has changed! And a point was squeezed a lot from this!)
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 21 September 2022 20: 23
        +3
        Quote: Sergio_7
        And everything has changed! And a point was squeezed a lot from this!)

        What exactly? Can you be more specific? Finally, they began to hit the infrastructure, or the Bank?
        1. Vlad_N
          Vlad_N 21 September 2022 20: 43
          +2
          If it is more specific, then you can have a bite to eat with a point. For now, the words of VV are enough.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 22 September 2022 04: 10
            -1
            Quote: Vlad_N
            If it is more specific, then you can have a bite to eat with a point. For now, the words of VV are enough.

            He always has only one word, and this applies not only to the NWO, but to everything else.
        2. Hanurik
          Hanurik 21 September 2022 23: 16
          +2
          And the mercenaries were executed and the Azov people were not exchanged? On the day the mobilization began, another betrayal from our authorities.
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          2. razv35
            razv35 21 September 2022 23: 36
            -3
            Eat lard Heroy, remember brothers
          3. VasyaRules
            VasyaRules 22 September 2022 01: 54
            +1
            Exactly. They are mercenaries and Nazis. Terrorists generally spoke about dung beetles. This means that we are negotiating with the Nazis about terrorists and at the same time we will call on 300 thousand. Something doesn't add up. But what about victory to the end and there will be no pity? Once again, I am convinced of a lie.
        3. Evil 55
          Evil 55 22 September 2022 05: 25
          -3
          The lapdogs of the Russian Bear woke up .. Hang yourself now, he will come to everyone, along with his friends, the White Scribe and the Atomic Tumbler. hi
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 21 September 2022 19: 57
      +5
      They demand, they ask ... what's the difference.
      The question is, what actions will they decide to go over the hill, across the ocean ???
      This is exactly what is important.
      1. impostor
        impostor 21 September 2022 19: 59
        0
        Zeleman degraded from coke, you need to ask for iodine preparations and lead underpants
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 21 September 2022 20: 20
          0
          Quote: impostor
          They ask, they ask...
          And they are sent (composite table, slightly outdated):
          1. bayard
            bayard 21 September 2022 23: 36
            +1
            Quote: Bad_gr
            And they are sent (composite table, slightly outdated):

            And now they will give even more so. Additional deliveries of MLRS, artillery have already been announced, tanks are also promised, but ... T-55 (though modernized), MANPADS, ATGMs.
            Now we are expecting 1-1,5 months of very serious battles, but a lot will depend on the weather - rains can stop the offensive.
            And then there is the heating season.
            It's time to hit the infrastructure. Moreover, the most reliable thing is to de-energize the railway, and indeed the whole of Ukraine. Bridges would also be nice ... but something doesn't work out - the power of ammunition is not enough.
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 22 September 2022 15: 40
            0
            Quote: Bad_gr
            collection table...
            I haven’t been surprised by minusers for a long time, but I’m just wondering, for what reasons can a reference table, in which data from open sources are collected, be put a minus?
      2. mitroha
        mitroha 21 September 2022 20: 06
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        They demand, they ask ... what's the difference.
        The question is, what actions will they decide to go over the hill, across the ocean ???
        This is exactly what is important.

        We must proceed from the fact that they will decide on a lot. And make decisions based on that. What to notify the opposite side, or rather their owners
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 September 2022 20: 45
          0
          Quote: Mitroha
          We must proceed from the fact that they will decide on a lot.

          On this issue, it is understandable that they will give much of what can simply be transferred to them in full on the balance sheet. It is much more difficult with the fact that they themselves will not be able to serve fully, efficiently. There is a double-edged sword here ... you need to send your specialists, and these are future losses, for which you will have to account / answer in the end ... although there are different options. They may come in such a way that they, as it were, have nothing to do with it ... they know how to do this.
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 21 September 2022 21: 02
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            It is much more difficult with the fact that they themselves will not be able to serve fully, efficiently.

            I think that the question of the participation of NATO military countries has already been completely resolved and closed. They are fully involved. And the sooner we understand all this, the better. Tales about the invincible army of Ragul, only fairy tales and a little truth about meat ..... hi
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 September 2022 22: 50
              +1
              Quote: Mitroha
              I think that the question of the participation of NATO military countries has already been completely resolved and closed.

              Everyone understood each other, in principle!
              New introductory general situation will not change, yet, at least.
              The struggle is not simple anyway, but the foreign ones, for now, will not fundamentally change anything ... that's when it becomes more difficult for someone, multiple, then the following changes may occur, the situation will become more complicated, but this will no longer be a one-way movement, problems will become aggravated for everyone .
              How much more complicated, it's too early to guess ...
            2. skeptick2
              skeptick2 22 September 2022 01: 53
              -9
              Quote: Mitroha
              Tales about the invincible army of Ragul, only fairy tales and a little truth about meat .....

              And horseradish radish is much sweeter? It is clear that NATO is more honorable to lose than Ukraine. For self-love. But how does this affect the defeat near Kharkov? Does it matter who defeated the Kharkov group? If the result matters? Is he negative? Will we continue to justify ourselves by saying that this is a victory for NATO?
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 21 September 2022 20: 10
        +6
        Quote: rocket757
        The question is, what actions will they decide to go over the hill, across the ocean ???

        Ukraine's allies should supply it with more HIMARS missiles, including those with a range of up to 300 km, as well as American Abrams tanks

        I don't understand "allies". When did Ukraine conclude an allied treaty with someone? But since he calls the West allies, then he should fly in the West on a par with Ukraine! This is what the West thinks about this, and do the West know that they are already "allies"? )))
        1. Plate
          Plate 21 September 2022 20: 31
          -3
          Quote: Egoza
          But since he calls the West allies, then he should fly in the West on a par with Ukraine!

          The West, unlike Ukraine, has strategic nuclear forces, and there are a lot of warheads there: the United States is the largest nuclear power along with Russia. And the outcome of a direct non-nuclear conflict with the West is not certain.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 21 September 2022 20: 50
          +3
          Namutili so that without a liter will not understand! And stir up already from all sides!
          And now we are waiting for something powerful, furious, that will disperse all this dregs and ...
          In general, we are waiting.
          Otherwise, I can't imagine.
        3. Tusv
          Tusv 21 September 2022 21: 03
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          then in the west it should fly on a par with Ukraine!

          It may not be equal, but it also hurts. Naval blockade - this is One, To unpack TNW railway lines, human losses are minimal, and restoration is difficult - this is Two. Resupply will be by air only, so No Fly Zone and anything that doesn't respond to a request, a legitimate target is Three. Well, for the execution of paragraph Three, instruct the pilots of the air defense special forces - Thirty-first instants. NATO It will be really very painful, but they won’t be able to do anything without a declaration of war
          1. BABAY22
            BABAY22 21 September 2022 21: 41
            +7
            Quote: Tusv
            for the execution of paragraph Three, instruct the pilots of the air defense special forces - Thirty-first instants

            And why exactly "Thirty-First Moments"? Did the word "spetsnaz air defense" come across something beautiful? Are there any arguments besides the old name?
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 21 September 2022 22: 36
              -2
              Quote: BABAY22
              Are there any arguments besides the old name?

              At a distance of more than three hundred and fifty km, only the thirty-first can successfully attack. The transporter will not miss. Launched a rocket and do flee to the base. Argument?
              1. BABAY22
                BABAY22 21 September 2022 22: 46
                +5
                Let me ask you, how can a MiG successfully attack a transporter at a distance of more than three hundred and fifty km?
            2. Rustic
              Rustic 21 September 2022 22: 38
              +3
              Are there any arguments besides the old name?
              Speed, height. For ground-based air defense, the MiG-31 is a rather difficult target, there is a very small window of opportunity.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 21 September 2022 22: 44
                0
                Quote from Rustic
                For ground-based air defense, the MiG-31 is a rather difficult target.

                To make it clear how difficult this goal is. Once a scan, two scans and there is no Mig-31 on the ICO (All-round visibility indicator) and you won’t catch up with any rocket in its tail
                1. BABAY22
                  BABAY22 21 September 2022 23: 14
                  +6
                  I doubt that the MiG is so invulnerable. Otherwise, aviation thought in the 70-90s would have developed in the direction of increasing speed, and it went in the direction of reducing the EPR and developing super-maneuverability. And on the MiG-31, the history of ultra-high-speed interceptors ended successfully. Is everyone so wrong?
                  And then, the adversary does not have a PPI of the 60s on a CRT with a circular scan. He has satellites, avaxes, reconnaissance drones. And from the moment the MiG-31 took off (and, frankly, its EPR is not 0,05), it is on the screens, it remains to choose who to transmit its coordinates to.
                  By the way, the base R-33 has a semi-active seeker, i.e. needs highlighting (simply NOT released and forgot / this is an explanation for the unprepared /)
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 21 September 2022 23: 25
                    0
                    Quote: BABAY22
                    and she went in the direction of reducing the EPR and developing super-maneuverability.

                    And how to get through the branched air defense? This is not developed socialism of the era of stagnation. Solid Guards units. Therefore, we cannot suppress Ukrainian air defense. Soviet school. Well, there is only one instant 25 shot down by Israel. There are no more official losses in half a century. There is no such statistic
                    1. BABAY22
                      BABAY22 21 September 2022 23: 41
                      +6
                      Quote: Tusv
                      And how to get through the branched air defense?

                      So even 40 years ago they decided that it was necessary to go not up in height, but down to the ground. Not like the MiG, an air defense breakthrough at a speed of Mach 3 and an altitude of 20 km, but even at a lower speed, but at an altitude of tens of meters against the background of the earth and obligatory stealth.
                      Well, you can discuss the downed ones for a long time, but since I need to say something, then as the Chinese (mind you, not American) Sohu writes:
                      The F-16 in battles with Soviet and Russian-made aircraft scored 65 victories and did not suffer a single defeat.
                      By the way, twenty-fifths were lost in Iraq.
                  2. Rustic
                    Rustic 22 September 2022 06: 58
                    0
                    And on the MiG-31, the history of ultra-high-speed interceptors ended successfully. Is everyone so wrong?
                    Were not mistaken. When it was created, it had tasks. But with his appearance, he nullified his own tasks. The high-altitude passage of the air defense zone has lost all meaning. The MiG-31 covers all altitudes down to low satellite orbit.
                    And then, the adversary does not have a PPI of the 60s on a CRT with a circular scan. He's got satellites, avaxes, drones
                    The PPI is just an example of a window of opportunity for interception. I blinked a little longer, and that's it, it's already too late. Same problem with satellites. Well, they don't work in real time. All the same, there is a delay in receiving and processing information, and in this case it is large and by the time it arrives, the information has time to become outdated. And avaks and drones are for the moment - the goal. They really have nothing to oppose him. They do not have their own long-range protective weapons. And the time between entering the javax identification zone, before reaching the attack line in an instant, is again too short. There isn't enough time to react. Here, in fact, the only option is an ambush, when the time and place of the MiG attack is known in advance.
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 22 September 2022 11: 29
                      0
                      Quote from Rustic
                      PPI is just an example of a window of opportunity for interception

                      Campaign air defense minuses put to waste. Not well, 5% of the interception of all arrivals for minus miners is not enough
            3. Rustic
              Rustic 21 September 2022 22: 39
              +2
              Are there any arguments besides the old name?
              Speed, height. For ground-based air defense, the MiG-31 is a rather difficult target, there is a very small window of opportunity. But for the fight against Avax, it is quite well suited.
          2. Kaufman
            Kaufman 22 September 2022 06: 33
            -4
            Smiled) dreamer. Moscow has already done a naval blockade and Snake too
      4. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 September 2022 20: 23
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        The question is, what actions will they decide to go over the hill, across the ocean ???

        Biden will read tomorrow.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 September 2022 20: 52
          +1
          We waited more ... tomorrow we will listen and ... everything tomorrow.
      5. 4ekist
        4ekist 21 September 2022 20: 33
        0
        ..... supply her with more HIMARS missiles, including those with a range of up to 300 km

        This Podolyaka thought well before demanding a long-range missile. ?
      6. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 21 September 2022 22: 22
        -1
        Quote: rocket757
        They demand, they ask ... what's the difference.
        The question is, what actions will they decide to go over the hill, across the ocean ???
        This is exactly what is important.

        Already let's go))) In anticipation of the slowly, but inexorably, approaching northern animal, they started to "ruffle" yesterday and try to get through Macron's head to the GDP (to no avail), as well as through the mouths of security adviser Sullevan to reach out to the Indians, so that they would CONSUME GDP to stop "fulugan", but the Indians politely did not heed the request. Now the mattresses are in the status of "extras" and all that remains for them is just to look at what Russia will do by destroying their "house of cards". I really don’t understand how they, without losing their face, will be able to stop the coming rout of the Banderlogs, and yet it is inevitable. request
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 September 2022 22: 56
          0
          in anticipation of the slowly, but inexorably, approaching northern animal, yesterday they began to "ruffle" over Macron's head
          . Oh yes, with the Gali cockerel it turned out ... cool!
          So the foreigners were informed that no one else was interested in their opinion!
          Exacerbation phase!
          And now wait and see who has steel bells.
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      8. Fisherman
        Fisherman 21 September 2022 22: 32
        0
        The can merged right on the UN podium, well, the Yankees are not ready to crawl into a risky war with us at the nuclear level because of the Hymars .... and the Abrams are not those hearses for Ukraine, dill will only have one shame with them (well, and Yankees).
      9. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 21 September 2022 23: 44
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        The question is, what actions will they decide to take over the hill, across the ocean?

        They had a war until the last Sumer, no one canceled
    3. dzvero
      dzvero 21 September 2022 19: 58
      +2
      Maybe something began to suspect?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 15
        +3
        Quote: dzvero
        Maybe something began to suspect?

        Not otherwise - a traitor winked
  2. Quote Lavrov
    Quote Lavrov 21 September 2022 19: 55
    +1
    And if they receive them, then this will be a signal that the West is ready to be completely drawn into the war, up to the unleashing of the third world war. And unfortunately, there are not many hopes that at least now the West will understand something, realize what line it is bringing the whole world to.
    1. isv000
      isv000 21 September 2022 20: 06
      +5
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      And if they receive them, then this will be a signal that the West is ready to be completely drawn into the war, up to the unleashing of the third world war. And unfortunately, there are not many hopes that at least now the West will understand something, realize what line it is bringing the whole world to.

      Few "bells" rang already?! As long as we wait for "reasonable actions" from there and call the enemy "partners", they will continue to stick to their line. Practice has shown that upbringing and diligence are instilled in the West only with a bloody yushka!
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 21 September 2022 20: 18
        +7
        Macron was "tactfully" hinted (in fact, by sending three letters) that there was no need to call the Kremlin. I hope this is just the beginning. But they could line up in the Kremlin reception
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 18
        +3
        Quote: isv000
        Practice has shown that upbringing and diligence are instilled in the West only with a bloody yushka!

        With a guy yes
      3. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 September 2022 20: 24
        0
        Lavrov, he will speak at the UN only on September 24. It will be interesting. hi
      4. Tusv
        Tusv 21 September 2022 21: 30
        0
        Quote: isv000
        and call the enemy "partners"

        By the way, "partners" slips less and less, practically this word has been reduced to nothing
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 21 September 2022 20: 15
      0
      Quote: Quote Lavrov
      hopes that at least now the West will understand something, realize what line it is bringing the whole world to,

      And the West will answer, like Porthos: "I agree with Aramis" and look at Biden.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 21 September 2022 19: 55
    +1
    Zelensky’s office urgently demands from the West the supply of tanks and long-range missiles in response to mobilization in Russia
    . And now the game is ahead of the game!!! Who did not have time, he may greatly regret it.
    1. isv000
      isv000 21 September 2022 20: 09
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      . And now the game is ahead of the game!!! Who did not have time, he may greatly regret it.

      It would be nice, finally, to break the cast iron and turn off the light, otherwise we will send the guys there ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 25
        +4
        Quote: isv000
        Quote: rocket757
        . And now the game is ahead of the game!!! Who did not have time, he may greatly regret it.

        It would be nice, finally, to break the cast iron and turn off the light, otherwise we will send the guys there ...

        It seems that the GDP said that we are ready to use all available means if necessary.
        1. isv000
          isv000 21 September 2022 20: 32
          +7
          Quote: Terenin
          It seems that the GDP said that we are ready to use all available means if necessary.

          With 6000 dead, the need has not yet come?
        2. Plate
          Plate 21 September 2022 20: 32
          -1
          He said this a long time ago. Even at the beginning of SVO, it seems.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 39
            +4
            Quote: isv000
            With 6000 dead, the need has not yet come?

            Quote: Plate
            He said this a long time ago. Even at the beginning of SVO, it seems.

            I’m talking about this yes
            From Xi Jinping I got infected with ... warnings what
            1. Plate
              Plate 21 September 2022 20: 47
              -1
              It's not clear who got infected from whom. The disease has a long incubation period, I understand.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 September 2022 20: 20
      +2
      The thing is that you can’t send those quickly mobilized to the front. You need to arm, equip and train.
      1. Negruz
        Negruz 21 September 2022 20: 32
        +4
        Contract soldiers from units deployed in Russia will go to the front ...
        But the mobilized will come in their place ....
  4. South Ukrainian
    South Ukrainian 21 September 2022 19: 56
    +6
    I think Western tanks do not shine for Ukraine, especially the Abrams, who needs this anti-advertising. Okay, the Hymars, fired and left, it won’t work with tanks.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 September 2022 20: 21
      +1
      If the "case" drags on, they will put it on.
      1. Simple
        Simple 21 September 2022 21: 04
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        If the "case" drags on, they will put it on.


        Of course they will. Soviet stocks (from the Warsaw Pact countries) are not rubber.
        Things have accelerated a little, because there is at least a month before the entry of the Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Lugansk regions into Russia for the puppet regime of Ukraine.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: South Ukrainian
      I think Western tanks do not shine for Ukraine, especially the Abrams, who needs this anti-advertising. Okay, the Hymars, fired and left, it won’t work with tanks.

      Most likely, but these will give everything in order to harm Russia.
  5. isv000
    isv000 21 September 2022 19: 58
    -2
    Is the West of Russia suitable? As a supplier of tanks and missiles of any range. Let's send it on our own!
  6. TIR
    TIR 21 September 2022 19: 59
    +3
    It takes about 2 months for the mobilization of the first wave to appear at the front. Well, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are really already at their peak. Either now press to the maximum or there will be a natural decline. Judging by the footage of prisoners and those killed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, right now there is the main contingent of people aged 35-50. And this is already the peak of the mobilization resource. Further, only the general mobilization of everyone, including those who are completely unfit for health. Therefore, they want more weapons while they are at the top of their capabilities.
    1. Vasily Onischuk
      Vasily Onischuk 21 September 2022 20: 07
      +6
      And the mobilized will most likely be sent to the unit, instead of contractors. Some percentage to the NWO zone, but to the rear for patrolling and creating the effect of presence. So that there are no bare spots.
      1. TIR
        TIR 21 September 2022 20: 35
        0
        The bulk of the people will go to the front. People need rest. Therefore, units will be replenished at the forefront of the state of wartime. And some part of the drugs should be on vacation. And not so that one formation in the rear was sent to rest, and in return they put another part
    2. Sergei V
      Sergei V 21 September 2022 20: 07
      -8
      We also have a lot, and Shoigu’s numbers cause laughter among the military correspondents who are at the forefront. Why did you decide what is at the peak? They can put the same amount under the gun, and the supply of weapons will only increase. So the winter will be difficult for us
      1. Chronos
        Chronos 21 September 2022 20: 21
        +1
        Quote: Sergey V
        We also have a lot, and Shoigu’s numbers cause laughter among the military correspondents who are at the forefront. Why did you decide what is at the peak? They can put the same amount under the gun, and the supply of weapons will only increase. So the winter will be difficult for us

        Their shock group, which was advancing near Balakliya, had been preparing since March, putting thousands of mobilizants on the defensive. If this group of attackers is cut off, it will not be possible to prepare a new one quickly. Shoigu's figures are not so far from reality, these are data only for the Moscow Region. To them, you can safely add 6 thousand official losses of the LDNR, and also the losses of the National Guard, border guards, volunteers and PMCs.
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 28
        0
        Quote: Sergey V
        how hard the winter will be for us

        Most people, unlike some, understand this clearly.
      3. TIR
        TIR 21 September 2022 20: 30
        +5
        Sorry, but you do not understand the principle by which mobilization takes place in Ukraine and in our country. No matter how hard Ukraine tries to switch to NATO standards, all their mobilization measures (like ours) are completely Soviet-style. Accounting for the same Soviet system. And everything is clearly divided. Age distribution is the most important. And the Ukrainian side has adhered to this since 2014, while mobilizing. In the 1st stage, everyone who is under 35 years old and does not have a deferment and is naked for health reasons has long been mobilized. Now more often come across age-old soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine called up for mobilization. For example, we also have a 25 millionth resource in people, but believe me, no matter how hard you try, it is impossible to assemble half a gun. It is the same with Ukraine, but there the percentage of whom can be called even less and much more. Since a very large mass of the draft contingent does not work in the country, either they fled, or in the territories occupied by us. So, taking into account all the factors, Ukraine can really gather no more than 1-1,2 million people
        1. Simple
          Simple 21 September 2022 21: 19
          0
          Quote: TIR
          So, taking into account all the factors, Ukraine can really gather no more than 1-1,2 million people

          You argue as if the war in Ukraine takes place only with the participation of two sides and only by military methods.
          Have you ever wondered why the so-called SVO passes so strangely? Maybe all the same, the war in Ukraine is the tip of the iceberg in Russia's opposition to NATO countries?
    3. Negruz
      Negruz 21 September 2022 20: 35
      +3
      Recently, the prisoner was shown in the Kherson region: approx. 50 years old, two fingers missing...
      I mean, that’s how they called him in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 42
        +3
        Quote: TIR
        So, taking into account all the factors, Ukraine can really gather no more than 1-1,2 million people

        Logically - theoretically.

        Quote: Negruz
        Recently, a prisoner was shown: approx. 50 years old, two fingers missing...
        I mean, that’s how they called him in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
        Ah, this is practice.
        But, he could get in voluntarily. Need to figure it out.
        1. Negruz
          Negruz 21 September 2022 20: 53
          +1
          Of course, I didn’t stand there, but judging by the cast-offs of the prisoner, it’s the usual “meat” ...
          request
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 21 September 2022 21: 05
            +2
            Quote: Negruz
            Of course, I didn’t stand there, but judging by the cast-offs of the prisoner, it’s the usual “meat” ...
            request

            Yes, me too... as a guess request
      2. TIR
        TIR 21 September 2022 20: 44
        +1
        The corpses are also all age people. Precisely until 35 years very little. It is clear that such ages are in the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the second lines, and in the trenches of the TrO. But we are talking about mobilization. That's when they took Azov, there were many people under 35
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 21 September 2022 21: 04
          +1
          It is up to 35 years that very few
          Many (very many) men under 35 worked abroad, where they have now remained.
      3. Simple
        Simple 21 September 2022 21: 23
        -1
        Quote: Negruz
        I mean, that’s how they called him in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...

        Call details?
        Maybe he paid for his son at the military registration and enlistment office and went for him himself?
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 21 September 2022 22: 00
      -1
      “Judging by the footage of the captured and killed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, right now there is the main contingent of people aged 35-50. And this is the peak.”
      I think that this is a delusion, and there is still a long way to the peak. The mobile resource of the state is about 10% of the population, for Ukraine it is about 3 million people. At the moment, they could not assemble such an army, they simply have nowhere to mobilize, there are not so many military formations. And the creation of the latter is not a quick business, because this requires officers who must be taken somewhere.
    5. Postcode
      Postcode 22 September 2022 10: 58
      0
      Why do you think they have reached the peak of their mobilization capability? A country with a population of more than 40 million people has a mobile resource of at least 5-6 million, today, they have not used even half. The question can only be the quality of the preparation of this reserve (terms) of its equipment, equipment, availability of weapons and equipment.
  7. Leshak
    Leshak 21 September 2022 20: 04
    +2
    ... in Zelensky's office they are sounding the alarm and urgently demanding that Western sponsors take some measures that could affect the situation ...
    Chief, it's all gone, it's all gone! The plaster is removed, the client leaves.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 50
      +1
      Quote: Leshak
      ... in Zelensky's office they are sounding the alarm and urgently demanding that Western sponsors take some measures that could affect the situation ...
      Chief, it's all gone, it's all gone! The plaster is removed, the client leaves.


      To which the old man Biden solemnly puffing replied: what “We are not hostages of history, we are the authors of history”
  8. Alexey Polferov
    Alexey Polferov 21 September 2022 20: 05
    0
    I wonder who will be the first to lose their nerves? Personally, I don’t have anything: no factories, no steamships, no currency accounts, and there are no ruble accounts. Chhat I wanted to burn you all with nuclear fire. SCARY? Not for me...
  9. Vasily Onischuk
    Vasily Onischuk 21 September 2022 20: 05
    +5
    Keyword: should. Just take it out and put it in. Take from where you want, but give. Is free. Because they should. All over the world. Default. This farm doesn't owe anything.
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 21 September 2022 20: 14
      +4
      Keyword: should. Just take it out and put it in. Take from where you want, but give. Is free. Because they should. All over the world. Default. This farm doesn't owe anything.

      They are like that in life ... Look at their news for the last 30 years - they will help us, they will give us ..., and not a word about what they did (built) themselves.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 56
      +2
      Quote: Vasily Onischuk
      Keyword: should. Just take it out and put it in. Take from where you want, but give. Is free. Because they should. All over the world. Default. This farm doesn't owe anything.

      So he clearly caught the West by the bridle as a result of their brainless policy of praising Bandera all these years.
      And now they have nowhere to go, it is no longer possible to go back, just lay it out and put it down.
      They drove themselves into the Bandera trap and contacted them with blood.
  10. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 21 September 2022 20: 05
    +3
    Yes, they just sleep and see how they go to Mariupol and Berdyansk ... I hope our people are very well prepared to meet them there.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 21 September 2022 20: 59
      +4
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      Yes, they just sleep and see how they go to Mariupol and Berdyansk ...

      So don't let them sleep.
  11. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 21 September 2022 20: 07
    0
    Kyiv has very little time left to somehow influence the situation.
    Modern journalism, interpretation of events based on conjectures.
  12. Hermit
    Hermit 21 September 2022 20: 09
    +2
    There is no gold reserve at all, statesmen cannot even dress decently. The thieves in the 90s dressed more decently - a raspberry jacket and a gold chain, you can immediately see hu is hu. And these are like backyard punks.
    Zelik America - BATKO! TANKS! JAVELINS GO!! well, throw some coke,
  13. Marlenych
    Marlenych 21 September 2022 20: 20
    0
    Like in Warcraft 3: Need more gold. Only this is life, not a computer game.
  14. Khibiny Plastun
    Khibiny Plastun 21 September 2022 20: 20
    +2
    It is necessary to carry railway bridges across the Dnieper. The logistics of Bandera will be complicated many times over. What does it mean to scatter at least one echelon over a car, and if you remember that the roads are in a disgusting state, then they will very quickly turn into general directions. Moreover, they will be blown up anyway when Russian troops approach. This had to be done even after the failure of the original plans and the withdrawal from Kyiv.
  15. mag nit
    mag nit 21 September 2022 20: 24
    +4
    Zelensky needs to demand rope and soap, not rockets.
  16. YarSer88
    YarSer88 21 September 2022 20: 25
    +4
    About how, the shtatovsky puppy squirmed! He feels that he will soon wash himself with blood! Half-measures are over, get up, huge country, it's time to finish off this fascist bastard so that not a single reptile gets up again!
  17. Eva Star
    Eva Star 21 September 2022 20: 27
    -5
    My dad is a pacifist, but even he said that you need to embed in Poland and the West will fall behind. I propose a variant of the strategy against NATO, to intimidate. Putin needs to speak globally. Putin needs to tell the world who the Europeans are who unleashed all the world's conflicts. Putin needs to be told that it was the Europeans who were the first to use chemical weapons, that the Europeans created Auschwitz and similar institutions, in short, the Europeans are cruel and threaten Russia with NATO expansion to the east. In this regard, Russia will hold a popular vote on expanding its nuclear arsenal and changing its nuclear doctrine to an offensive one, all in democracy. It is believed that the order of the command to use nuclear weapons will not be carried out by the soldiers of the launcher. Just imagine the panic in NATO when the Russian population votes for a grafting nuclear strike. This will mean that no human factor will affect the president's decision.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 21 September 2022 21: 31
      0
      Only it’s not necessary to embed in Poland, Poland doesn’t decide anything at all, but in those places where the world order comes from.
      1. iouris
        iouris 21 September 2022 21: 46
        -1
        Quote: Herman 4223
        and in those places where the management of the world order comes from.

        It's not about management, but about the fact that we used to live in poverty... and then they started robbing us.
  18. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 21 September 2022 20: 27
    +5
    Ukraine is a stick with which they beat the Bear! You can bite the stick forever! They will beat you to death! Gnawing is not a hand, but the throat of the one who raised the stick!
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 21 September 2022 21: 27
      +1
      The situation is slowly approaching this. Putin said today that we will use all available means for protection. This is a good message for those behind the puddle.
  19. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 21 September 2022 21: 23
    0
    Two or three weeks is somehow fast for cardinal changes, as I understand it, mobilization is planned without fuss and haste, with retraining of personnel. But already in November or December, the situation for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin to deteriorate greatly.
  20. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 21 September 2022 21: 26
    +2
    In Russia, too, they reacted rather nervously to such initiatives.
    But what about the conversations from all the irons on the topic - everything is going according to plan, are we systematically crushing the face of the fascist beast? ..
    What is this, a lie? request
    To crush the snout further, it is necessary to attract wide sections of the population ...
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 21 September 2022 22: 12
      +2
      Quote: Benzorez
      To crush the snout further, it is necessary involve broad sections of the population...

      И remove narrow segments of the population interfering with the snout to crush.
  21. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 21 September 2022 21: 30
    0
    Does Zeliboba's office still exist? wassat bully
    Why not in exile...?
    Why don't they bomb? Why?
    What are half measures? Zkliboba should broadcast from the cellar or from London to the kraynyak ...
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  23. Reznov
    Reznov 21 September 2022 22: 59
    0
    No chance for ukraine. Even if they receive longer range missiles, those have bigger radar signature too, and Russian air defense will eliminate those threats. On the other hand ukraine can't do anything against Russian missiles and the new Iranian strike drones.
  24. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 22 September 2022 00: 22
    +1
    Apparently it's called jumping
  25. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 22 September 2022 01: 32
    +2
    There is still a lot of time for them, but we must hold the defense until mid-October, it will be easier there, the reserves will be pulled up by winter
  26. Stinging Nettle
    Stinging Nettle 22 September 2022 02: 56
    -2
    Quote: Vasily Onischuk
    Some percentage to the NWO zone, but to the rear for patrolling and creating the effect of presence. So that there are no bare spots.


    Is it like the Lugansk mobilized in the Kharkov direction as the first and only line?
  27. ximkim
    ximkim 22 September 2022 04: 03
    -3
    Quote: lis-ik
    Quote: Sergio_7
    And everything has changed! And a point was squeezed a lot from this!)

    What exactly? Can you be more specific? Finally, they began to hit the infrastructure, or the Bank?

    Yes, there are already changes. Azov and three mercenaries sentenced to death in the DPR were released. The military-industrial complex of NATO countries has a chance to test weapons in full.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 22 September 2022 06: 11
      +1
      Quote: ximkim
      The military-industrial complex of NATO countries has a chance to test weapons in full.


      Well, it’s like mutual opportunities that will allow Russia to see the effectiveness of NATO’s new weapons, develop methods and measures to counter it, as well as the opportunity to get such weapons as trophies.
      But for the Azov people and mercenaries, this is really an epic shame for Russia that really undermines confidence in the authorities + spitting on the graves of those who gave their lives to liberate Mariupol and capture this beast. And all this is a disgrace on the day the mobilization starts in Russia.
  28. Dikson
    Dikson 22 September 2022 05: 08
    -4
    But does anyone here doubt the increase in the supply of weapons to Ukraine after the decision on partial mobilization here, in Russia? Another round of confrontation began .. By his decree, our President let go of the reins .. - the states will not accept referendums, Europe - too .. that means - war. What is there to beat around the bush? The mention of the use of nuclear weapons is a naive threat, which, after our numerous concerns and ultimatums, no one took seriously ... The idea is not bad: Donbass and Zaporozhye are part of Russia after the referendum, and an attack on them is "an attack on the integrity of our states", that is, a reason for delivering a nuclear strike .. but for whom? By Kyiv? in Warsaw? London maybe? Where are we going to shoot - in the foot of ourselves, or in the enemy's head? Conversations.. decision centers, red and blue lines.. Mom, mom. I fought, fought, and, it seems, both .... Xia! .. so far so .. And it should have been clear right away - after the total mobilization announced by Kyiv, almost half a year passed - during this time they prepared a whole army of Ukrainian soldiers in Europe .. how many were put under arms there, a million? How many Shoigu announced their losses, one hundred thousand? Well, that is, in a month or two there will be 300 of ours against 800 of them, (let's forget about the wounded), roughly speaking? The arithmetic is so-so, to be honest .. This pandemonium will not end with one wave of mobilization. Again, Zelensky is regularly planted with ammunition, ammunition, artillery systems and missiles .. It's up to planes and tanks. It won't rust, I don't think. What do we have? Three new planes? I don’t think that all 300 fighters will receive Ratniki, walkie-talkies, night vision devices, and other things necessary for modern combat .. So, they will take Kalash, helmets, unloading, pea coats from warehouses and - into the winter trenches ..
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 22 September 2022 06: 04
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      The mention of the use of nuclear weapons is a naive threat, which, after our numerous concerns and ultimatums, no one took seriously


      if Russia begins systematically and systematically destroying the critical infrastructure of Ukraine, especially the energy infrastructure, then they will completely believe themselves and, in particular, they will quickly believe it if in Kyiv the administrative quarter, the Ministry of Defense, the Verkhovna Rada are blown off the face of the earth and the SBU is neatly demolished (neatly due to the fact that not hook on Orthodox shrines located nearby).
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 22 September 2022 06: 26
        0
        There will be no strikes on Kyiv. Here, another gesture of goodwill quickly emerged - they released foreigners sentenced ... to death .. Well, that is, they exchanged .. So to whom - war, and to whom - politeness and promises ...
  29. lopvlad
    lopvlad 22 September 2022 05: 58
    +1
    According to experts, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have almost no chances, the Russian troops are ready for such a development of events, but Zelensky has nowhere else to go, only the offensive of the Russian troops is predicted further.


    these experts have already messed up big time, and those who shouted that everything was bad were not experts at all, since they shouted that everything was always bad.
    If Russia does not start systematically striking the infrastructure of Ukraine, then the hypothetical chances of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, having gathered all the forces in one place, to make another breakthrough, for example, on the Zaporozhye front, it is quite possible.
  30. Former soldier
    Former soldier 22 September 2022 14: 32
    0
    And why such urgent meetings in Kuiva? Only recently did they celebrate victory. You must have your own tanks. Their. And-and-and sold somewhere. So it's the Sumerians you hurried. Well, you have no traditions of statehood.