The lies of the Norman theory

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The lies of the Norman theory
Rurik. Artist I. Ozhiganov


1160th anniversary of Russian statehood. The year 862 is traditionally considered the starting point of national statehood. This year, the vocation of the Russian prince Rurik took place.



"Summoning the Varangians"


Upon the death of the Novgorod prince Gostomysl, who was left without direct heirs, the Russian prince Rurik, the son of Umila, the grandson of Gostomysl, who ruled on the island of Ruyan (now Rügen), is called to reign by decision of the Council. The date is conditional, since under one name or another the Russian state had existed for at least 2-3 millennia before the calling of Rurik.

The theory of the Norman (German-Scandinavian) origin of Rurik does not stand up to the slightest criticism and has a purely political basis. It was created by Western historiography and their Russian followers in order to distort the true stories Russia and the Russian superethnos (superethnos of the Rus).

Rurik was from the dynasty of Russian princes, and the Slavic-Russian families during this period lived in Central and Northern Europe - today's Germany, Austria, Northern Italy, Denmark, Scandinavia. In particular, they were Wends - Vienna - Venets - Vandals, who were later recorded as "Germans". Almost all the ancient cities of Germany were founded by the Russians ("Slavic Atlantis" in Central Europe). The western branch of the Rus superethnos was destroyed in the process of the onslaught on the North and East, led by the Vatican. For several centuries there were bloody wars.

As a result, part of the Slavic-Russians was physically destroyed, part was forced out to the east - including the genera of the Rus-Varangians, part was enslaved. In the occupied lands, the Slavs were assimilated, deprived of faith, culture and language. The Slavs-Rus were Germanized, Christianized. Other Slavic families - Poles, Czechs and others, survived, but were westernized, fell under the rule of Catholic Rome.

The date of Rurik's calling is a stage in the history of Russia, just like the beginning of the Romanov dynasty. But not the start date. This must be remembered. The origins of Russia and the Russian people are in the depths of millennia.


Rurik on the monument "Millennium of Russia" in Veliky Novgorod

The lies of the Norman theory


The Norman theory was created with the aim of "circumcision" and distortion of the true history of Russia. A myth was created that the Russian "savages" called on the cultured and civilized Norman-Germans to create a state for the "unreasonable Slavs", instill civilization. Then this myth was supplemented by the educational activities of Christian missionaries, the Greeks, who allegedly gave the "Russian barbarians" writing, the correct faith (previously, the Russians "prayed to the stumps").

Western historiography, created in the Vatican, tried to "clean up" the history of Europe, removing the Slavs-Russians from it. Later, German historiography replaced the Slavs-Rus with "Germans". There remained "historical nations" - all sorts of Germans, Angles, French, Italians, Russian-Russians were excluded from this picture of the world. Although at the time of the Russian princes Oleg the Prophet and Svyatoslav there were neither the current Germans, nor Italians, nor French. And the Russians-Russians already had a developed state, a “country of cities” and an ancient spiritual culture, their own written language.

In Russian chronicles it is clearly stated that Russia is Russia, and not Svei-“Swedes”, Urmans-“Norwegians” and other non-Russians. That the language of Russia and the Slavs is one. There were no "Normans", "Swedes" in Russia, only as guests and mercenaries. Another thing is that the word itself, the ethnonym "Rus" itself, when pronounced by other peoples or in other dialects, dialects of the Russian language, acquired a different sound: Rugs, Rutens, Rusyns, Dews, Horns, Etruscans, Racens, Uruses, etc.

However, history is written by the winners. Therefore, the West is sure that Rus was founded by the Germans, the Swedes, that they built Ladoga, Novgorod, Polotsk, Pskov, Kyiv, Novgorod, Yaroslavl and other cities on the "land of the barbarians." That Russia was almost a colony of Sweden. And the Swedes and their descendants ruled Russia until the troubled times, before the arrival of the Romanovs. In particular. It is this picture that the average person gets when watching the allegedly popular historical series "Vikings". The picture is excellent, the images of the characters, the music, but false.

Russia is Russia


Before the era of Peter I, Russian and Western historiographers (in Europe these sources were later removed or edited) knew the true story. They brought the Russians from the biblical Japheth and from the grandson of Noah Scythian, from Rus, considering them to be the most ancient people. That is, the Russians stood in the old sources on the same board with the very ancient peoples of the biblical period - Jews and Armenians.

But in the "young Russia" created under Peter (Why did they create the myth of Peter the Great), German historians arrived, who began to create the "history of Russia" in their own way. Not knowing the Russian language and Russian history, they wrote a "true" history of the Russian land. Bayer, Miller and Schlozer found many local Russian followers who picked up and developed the idea of ​​the “historical failure” of Russians and Slavs in general, of a “civilized and enlightened” Europe and “Russian barbarians”, the cultural mission of the Germans in Russia.

Thus was created the theory of Normanism, in essence, a racist-fascist theory. The base was simple. Like, the Romanovs, especially since the time of Peter, invited all sorts of Germans (there was no single German nation yet) and other “Swedes” to enlighten “young Russia”, this was the case in the XNUMXth century. The "savage Slavs" and the Finnish tribes invited the "developed" Norman-Swedes, the Germans-Scandinavians to rule themselves. The Russians were like the Indians of the New World, who greeted the Spaniards as white gods. It was on this basis that a new historiography of Europe was created. Although there were no “Swedes” and “Germans” during the time of Rurik.

It is enough to read the Russian chronicles, and it is clearly and clearly written there that “Rus, Slovenia and Chud decided ... and sent across the sea to the Varangians, to Russia; sitse bo zvahou Varangians with Russia, as if these drozei are called Svei, Ourmane, Anglians, and Gotha ... ". That is, to establish order-order, Russia, Slavs and Chud turned unequivocally to any "Vikings", "Normans" and other elves, but to a very specific Russia. Native brothers. Everything is crisp and clear. It can be traced archaeologically, historically and linguistically. They called Russia, Russians-Russians. Therefore, the Varangian Rus behaved differently on Russian soil than, for example, in the Christianized lands - England and France, where they passed with fire and sword.

Russ came to Russia. And “the language is one for Russia and Slovenia ...”. The Russian princes had their own names: Rurik - Rarog - Falcon (the coat of arms of Rurik is a falcon, the image of the Family falling down, a stylized trident, which was later appropriated by Ukrainian mythology); Sineus - Blue, Blue, Gray, Gray mustache; Truvor is a typical Slavic name from the series Tudor, Yavor, Ivor, Suvor, etc. It seemed that everything was natural, simple and understandable. Why write stories?

The answer is in the Great Game, geopolitics and information war that the West has been waging against Russia and the Russian people for centuries. History is written by the winners. Having exterminated and ousted the Rus from Central and Northern Europe, the West continues “Drang nah Osten”. In particular, now the Russian world, they want to completely expel Russians from Galicia-Volyn, Kyiv, Chernigov-Seversk Rus, Little Russia and Novorossia. To exterminate the memory that Kyiv, Chernigov, Poltava, Kharkov and Odessa are Russian cities, that Russian people have always lived there and now live, who are now called "Ukrainians".


Coat of arms of Staraya Ladoga - a falcon falling down (the coat of arms of Rurik)
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  1. +13
    23 September 2022 05: 25
    About another anti-scientific article, for the sake of sracha, let it be eternal.
    1. -10
      23 September 2022 06: 13
      Fomenko and Nosovsky drove up .... laughing
      1. +1
        23 September 2022 06: 21
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Fomenko and Nosovsky drove up

        These two are still oh how far from the "historians" of modern Ukraine ...
        1. -2
          23 September 2022 12: 28
          It is not said about ... "300 krakens"
          Everything flows, everything changes.
          Different ethnic groups come - go - mix and now.
          And you have to ask for the Rügen, in the Kaliningrad region it will be better for the Ossi
          1. +1
            1 October 2022 19: 52
            What is the difference between this article and the 2-3 thousand-year history of the Rus. Ukrainians - Russians - phai, phai. Reminds me of an old joke. The daughter writes a letter to her mother, she already lives in the city. I work during the day and play ping-pong in the evening. Mom daughter - daughter, it's nothing that he is Chinese, as long as he was a good person.
            1. 0
              27 November 2022 23: 38
              The outskirts are wild pigs, dirty and ignorant.
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      3. +4
        23 September 2022 15: 36
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Fomenko and Nosovsky drove up .... laughing

        No, it's not them. This is about the level of a student of about 7th grade.
        1. +6
          23 September 2022 17: 59
          I read the first paragraph and understood, Samsonov ... Well, how could it be without him ..
          1. tth
            0
            26 September 2022 11: 21
            Yes, and by the title of the article it was clear that Samsonov
      4. -1
        29 September 2022 12: 54
        Finn deeply mistaken in Russian history!
        We are reading: We are building a consistent version of the history of the 16-18th century. There you will find out who is who in turmoil, and from whom the heirs. The history of Russia will be deciphered until 1691
    2. +11
      23 September 2022 08: 09
      Quote: Cartalon
      About another anti-scientific article, for the sake of sracha, let it be eternal.

      yeah, there's no other way to say it...
      There is a saying that two lawyers always have THREE opinions!
      in this situation, all the documents that the believers kept were regularly burned by the authorities, and at the moment there are more than enough "blank spots" in our history
      and the fact that the Slavs lived along the shores of the Baltic Sea, even before the arrival of Rome, is a fact
      1. +2
        23 September 2022 15: 38
        Far from a fact ... this opinion is no better than the text of this opus.
        1. +4
          23 September 2022 16: 25
          In fact, all of eastern Germany including Berlin has Slavic city names.
          1. -5
            24 September 2022 10: 51
            When were these cities founded? For example, the Suebi lived just in East Germany ... and try to prove the Slavicity of the Lombards, Burgundians, Gepids, Rugs, Heruls ... by the way, have your Celts also become Slavs?
          2. +2
            28 September 2022 16: 23
            In fact, all of eastern Germany including Berlin has Slavic city names.

            Well, the Bodrichi Slavs lived there.

            The Bodrichi[1][2], Reregi[3][4] are one of the tribes of the Polabian Slavs, who since the XNUMXth century settled east of the lower Elbe between the Gulf of Wismar and Lake Schweriner See.

            Presumably comes from Lower Silesia. Their main fortresses were Machelen and Schwerin, located on the territory of Mecklenburg.

            There were encouraged Slavs.
            1. -1
              29 September 2022 15: 29
              Firstly, as you rightly noted from the 6th century and not earlier, and secondly, cheerful and encouraged are one and the same.
        2. 0
          29 September 2022 13: 07
          Yes, all the comments here are no different from the opus in the article. It can be said that the comments on the history of Russia are complete nonsense. Yes, and all the articles that are laid out here are not history, but an attempt to give out knowledge of history in your article. Therefore, the documents themselves and the facts of evidence will always be absent in the articles
          1. 0
            10 December 2022 18: 36
            Quote from: hetvertak
            Yes, all the comments here are no different from the opus in the article. It can be said that sheer nonsense in the comments on the history of Rus'

            And you are still right ... The history of the ethnonym and ethnic group "Rus" is full of assumptions and assumptions because there is very little information. But there is one indisputable fact, our Rus' was not the only one.
        3. 0
          10 December 2022 15: 25
          It is clear even to any pig that the Rus appeared a million years earlier than the Ukrainians. Even then, they went to dinosaurs with sawn-off shotguns firing nuclear weapons, which immediately prepared dinosaurs for eating. If a person is sick, he can be cured, but if the disease is contagious, then this is forever for everyone who has fallen under this weapon.
      2. +1
        23 September 2022 18: 15
        What other Rome, he, firstly, almost never crossed the Rhine. Secondly, the Slavs as an ethnic group formed from the proto-Baltic peoples in 3-4 AD. Then Rome was already at sunset.
        1. +3
          24 September 2022 10: 54
          Firstly, the Slavs are much older than your 3-4 centuries, and secondly, the oldest place names of Slavic origin are not at all in the places where the Balts lived ... and their origin is different.
    3. +3
      23 September 2022 10: 25
      Quote: Cartalon
      About another anti-scientific article, for the sake of sracha, let it be eternal.

      Well, yes, believing the Swedish inventors of the 17th century is much more convenient than looking at the facts laughing
      1. +9
        23 September 2022 13: 52
        Quote: Wend
        Well, yes, believing the Swedish inventors of the 17th century is much more convenient than looking at the facts

        I agree, but I would very much like the facts of the existence of Russia 2-3 years ago. Maybe there are chronicles, coins, seals of that time? It remains to confirm that we dug up the Baltic Sea (the Black Sea is already occupied) and we will not differ in anything from Ukraine.
        1. +2
          23 September 2022 15: 24
          Quote: Luminman
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          No wonder Mikhailo Lomonosov fought with the distorters of Russian history!

          He fought with them. He just punched them in the face...

          So there are enough chronicle facts in chronographs. By the XNUMXst century n. e. include information from the Roman historian Tacitus. He wrote about the ancient Slavs, calling them Wends, later Byzantine historians called the descendants of the Wends Antes and Slavs. The rite of burial in urns in the first half of the XNUMXst millennium AD. e. became widespread among the Slavs and non-Slavic tribes of Eastern Europe. Well, and so on. And the Baltic Sea was called Varangian, and earlier Vendian.
          1. 0
            23 September 2022 17: 01
            It turns out that the Lombards, the Vandals, the Burgundians, the Heruls, the Slavs? Do you have evidence of the presence of the Slavs on the eastern coast of the Baltic Sea, from Riga to Paldiski?
          2. +8
            23 September 2022 18: 17
            Wends were also Wends - this is a common BALTIC ethnic group. These are the ancestors of the Proto-Slavs, but not the Slavs.
            It's like calling the population of Kievan Rus "Russians".
            1. 0
              24 September 2022 11: 03
              Maybe you have proof? And then the famous geographer of the 15th century Mercator wrote that the inhabitants of Fr. Rügen spoke Slavonic and Vindali. laughing And, do you have evidence of the stay of the "Proto-Slavs" on the coast from Paldiski to Riga up to the 13th-14th centuries?
              1. 0
                25 September 2022 14: 57
                Read Adam of Bremen and Helmgold. There is a lot about the Western Slavs (from the Oder to the east).
                Adam of Bremen (died after 1081):
                “So, at the beginning of the aforementioned bay, on its southern coast, next to us and right up to Lake Slii live Danes, nicknamed Yuddy 164. From there, the boundaries of the Hamburg Archbishopric begin, which stretch through [regions] of coastal claves to the river Pan 165 - here is the border of our from there, as far as the Oder River, 166 the Wiltsy and the Lyutichs live 167. Beyond the Oder, as far as we know, the Pomeranians live. a large area of ​​vinuli 168, and the described bay ends with it.
                The bay here is the Baltic Sea.
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        3. -1
          23 September 2022 16: 58
          Quote: qqqq
          I agree, but I would really like the facts of the existence of Russia 2-3 years ago

          As a state, of course, there was no (relatively) but as an ethnic group there was. These tribes simply became Rus only in the 8th-9th centuries due to changes in European languages. Before that, they were known as rugs and rutens.
          1. -2
            23 September 2022 22: 12
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            These tribes simply became Rus only in the 8th-9th centuries due to changes in European languages.

            It is clear that somewhere and once our ancestors lived, and even starting with monkeys. But this does not mean that then 50-60 years ago there was Russia. We must face the truth, there is nothing wrong with that. Russia as a state appeared on the world stage in the 8th-9th centuries. We are a relatively young nation, again, this is neither good nor bad.
            1. -1
              23 September 2022 22: 38
              Again, depending on what is considered a state ...
          2. 0
            24 September 2022 03: 13
            These tribes simply became Russia only in the 8-9 centuries

            Russia is not tribes of steel, Russia is the name of the group in which it began to control the territory with tribes. For example, those "Solntsevo" those "Peterst" and those Rus.
            In the picture Solntsevskaya

            One of the Viking brigades that sailed to Ladoga - the Finns gave the name rowers, in Finnish Rus and everything that was controlled by this group became Rus.

            rugs and rutens.

            These strange exercises of rugen ruten are stupid, since the languages ​​\u8b\uXNUMXbof were completely different then. Stress, rhythm, consonants and diphthongs are different. None of us could catch the meaning of the speech of the direct Slavic ancestors of the XNUMXth century, and the Germans will not understand their ancient ones. Also, Scandinavians pronounce "rugen" completely differently than we do, therefore it is stupidity to base theories of the origin of states on the similarity of syllables between several ancient languages ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbwritten in modern Russian letters. laughing
            Otherwise, the search for similar syllables will lead to the fact that Beijing was founded by Russian bakers.
            1. 0
              24 September 2022 04: 58
              Yes... it's sad. You don’t even know that in Latin Russia Ruthenia will be)))
              1. -1
                24 September 2022 17: 26
                in Latin Russia Ruthenia will

                In a Google translator into Latin, Russia in Latin will be Russia. What's with the Romans anyway? Or is Etruscan Russian in your opinion?
                Sadly, you are not aware of the Fino-Ugrian names All, Watsi and suddenly Rus came from Fino-Ugric. All other similar syllables written in modern Cyrillic are a coincidence and do not prove the origin.
                1. +2
                  24 September 2022 18: 43
                  Damn ... Googled in honor of which country the element Ruthenium is named.
                2. +1
                  24 September 2022 18: 49
                  Yeah, now can you explain where the Finno-Ugrians came to the Center of Europe? It was in Germany until 1920 the principality (county) of Reuss ... it is also Russia. And why did the popes call the inhabitants of Rugen / Rugen -Russians, maybe they also knew? And why on earth, if you take your point of view, the Scandinavians, who looked at the Finns as savages, would be called in Finnish? Yes, just rowers ...
                  1. -4
                    26 September 2022 05: 04
                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    Yeah, now can you explain where the Finno-Ugrians came to the Center of Europe?
                    They have always lived there and now they live there, for example, in Mordovia. One of my acquaintances began to speak Russian tolerably when he found himself only in Ukraine and he was separated from the Finnish-speaking pupils of the sports school. Until the age of 13, only Finnish and Mordovian was enough for him.
                    1. 0
                      26 September 2022 07: 12
                      Are you bad at geography? Since when has Mordovia been in Central Europe?
                      1. -3
                        26 September 2022 10: 18
                        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                        Are you bad at geography?

                        So you also placed the Iranian-speaking tribe Rus not in the Donbass but in Germany. From the cities of this tribe in the Don region to Mordovia is much closer than to Germany.
                      2. +1
                        26 September 2022 12: 40
                        Google about the Principality of Reuss... or don't know how to use it? And, where did you get the idea that Russia is Iranian-speaking?
            2. 0
              18 December 2022 07: 29
              I support your opinion 100%.

              Thus, it is possible to consider the inhabitants of any village, even at a distance from each other in the order of 5-6 km, a tribe, or a clan. With its charter and customs.
        4. 0
          23 September 2022 18: 03
          The thing is that in those days in Europe there were no states other than the Roman Empire. They lived in communities, tribes. It is the same on the territory of our Russia, tribes. It is difficult to call a common state
          1. +2
            23 September 2022 22: 42
            Depending on how you count... Tacitus says that the rulers of Fr. Rügen was a tough almost absolute power limited only by the priesthood... even the population was not allowed to keep weapons there, they were stored in arsenals. What is not a state ...
        5. 0
          24 September 2022 02: 27
          The author in the article uses
          Slavic-Russians
          before the actual appearance of Russia, which is already nonsense.
      2. +1
        23 September 2022 15: 40
        Quote: Wend
        Well, yes, believing the Swedish inventors of the 17th century is much more convenient than looking at the facts

        Where did you find the facts here? recourse
        1. 0
          23 September 2022 15: 59
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          Quote: Wend
          Well, yes, believing the Swedish inventors of the 17th century is much more convenient than looking at the facts

          Where did you find the facts here? recourse

          There are no facts here, but it is enough to read chronographs, archaeological research and you will see the facts. And there are so many frauds on the part of adherents of the Norman theory that it is just right to call this theory an encyclopedia of myths
          1. 0
            23 September 2022 17: 02
            I know both sources and chronographs well ... in order to doubt the original Slavs of the Venedian tribes. And the most reliably ancient toponyms of Slavic origin are located south of the original habitat of the Venedian tribes.
      3. 0
        24 September 2022 13: 30
        What Swedish inventors? Surname names?
        1. 0
          10 December 2022 15: 37
          It can be said that of all historical records, the Bible seems to be the most accurate. It says that when the Jews ran around with cattle in the Middle East, at that time there was already a powerful country with cities and huge construction projects, and that was Egypt. Then all the pyramids were already built, which are now visible to the naked eye. There was an army and peasants, there were servants of God and doctors, not cavalrymen, but real doctors who understood the human body and other animals. Therefore, smart Russians wrote at that time - do not boast of going to the army, but boast of going to the army. The Normans could learn, only in two countries of that time, these are Egypt and ancient Greece, with which they came to Rus'. The ancient Egyptians and Greeks went to India and China, but nowhere did they see those who created Rus'. The Jews would definitely write about it, how they changed the skins of sheep for gold.
    4. +2
      23 September 2022 18: 50
      Quote: Cartalon
      About another anti-scientific article, for the sake of sracha, let it be eternal.

      If this article is anti-scientific, which one do you consider scientific and why? What is the scientific nature of the Norman theory? Only that it was written by shletsers and the company? Discussed article, I will not dissemble, I like it. But I cannot accept it as an indisputable truth. For the simple reason that there is an alternative point of view - the Norman one. But I cannot trust the Norman theory for the same reason - the presence of an alternative. Convincingly, no one could prove anything. So I choose what I like.
      1. 0
        23 September 2022 22: 45
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Quote: Cartalon
        About another anti-scientific article, for the sake of sracha, let it be eternal.

        If this article is anti-scientific, which one do you consider scientific and why? What is the scientific nature of the Norman theory? Only that it was written by shletsers and the company? Discussed article, I will not dissemble, I like it. But I cannot accept it as an indisputable truth. For the simple reason that there is an alternative point of view - the Norman one. But I cannot trust the Norman theory for the same reason - the presence of an alternative. Convincingly, no one could prove anything. So I choose what I like.

        There is also a third one, Kuzmina A.G. Unfortunately, many dismiss it. Although despite some shortcomings, it sounds the most convincing.
        1. +1
          26 September 2022 18: 23
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          There is a third one, Kuzmina A.G.

          If my memory serves me right, Kuzmin is also an opponent of the Norman theory.
          1. -2
            26 September 2022 20: 25
            Yes, but at the same time he was not a supporter of the Slavic theory.
      2. -1
        29 September 2022 13: 50
        You have a convincing version of our story from the death of Ivan the Terrible, the turmoil, the end of the turmoil, the times of Alexei Mikhailovich
        We are building a consistent version of the history of the 16th-18th centuries, She will shock you. I know her for 7 years.
    5. +1
      24 September 2022 13: 28
      Not only does the author still not see DNA genealogy point-blank, he also neglects (or does not know) classical evidence.
      The Neman River used to be called Russ. Its lower course was called Russ on German maps until the beginning of the 20th century. Until now, maps have been preserved where Russ is called the entire current Neman. In the delta of this river there was a settlement Russ. The funny thing is that he is still there. It's called Rusne. This is Lithuania now.
    6. -2
      24 September 2022 13: 44
      Such "alternative stories" are good for people struck by a tendency to fascism, someone hides the truth from them, some ancestors dug up the sea, others founded London, the Croats in their Nazi madness reached the point that they are not Slavs but Germans ... The slippery slope of exalting one's nation by rewriting history
    7. 0
      29 September 2022 13: 21
      Scientific - solid copies of the same history of the dynasty, transferred to other geographical areas at a different time, from the middle of the 15th century to the 17th century, copies were made from this story to artificially make Russian history older until the 10th century, They split many princes into two people, and copies they gave a different nickname, and together with his deeds were transferred to another place and sent on paper to a different period of time. This is how German historians worked, and not only they from Europe. Europe managed to make its history ancient for cloudy antiquity
    8. +1
      9 December 2022 23: 53
      Read Wikipedia in English and German and you will be surprised. The German city of Lubeck from Denmark - "700 years before the birth of Christ, the Slavs drove out the Germanic tribes and founded the city of Lubech, today the center of Lubeck." . The largest island in Germany, Rügen - we read, in the 7th century the Slavs settled on it, on Cape Arkona they founded the sanctuary of Svyatovit (by the way, there is now a German museum - a "Slavic fortress") .. The second largest German island Fenmarn, we read - was inhabited by a Slavic tribe Vagrov, the name of the island comes from the Slavic fe sea - in the sea. The city of Oldenburg in Holstein, we read - founded by the Slavic tribe of Wagrs, as Stargrad, the old city, now the German city of Olenburg, which means the same. Leipzig, Schwerin - the same thing, Slavic cities, Slavic names, the Germans know their history. The entire German Baltic was inhabited by Baltic Slavs from Denmark to Poland. Everything on Wikipedia is written in English, in German.
  2. +10
    23 September 2022 05: 33
    Bayer, Miller and Schlözer found many local Russian followers
    No wonder Mikhailo Lomonosov fought with the distorters of Russian history!
    1. +10
      23 September 2022 09: 47
      If official historians confirm that official history is invented, then they will lose their profession and all grant awards, so they will lie to the end
      1. +6
        23 September 2022 15: 29
        Quote: Alexander Ponamarev
        If official historians confirm that official history is invented, then they will lose their profession and all grant awards, so they will lie to the end

        If there is one among them who will conclusively refute it, he will receive grants and a monument during his lifetime. Even a small demonstrative refutation of existing views is a significant discovery in historical science. For a historian, a very significant thing.
      2. +3
        23 September 2022 16: 33
        What nonsense ... On the contrary, they will receive both fame and a bunch of grants. An example - see physics in the 60s and 70s of the 20th century, how they directly refuted existing theories in a Stakhanovite way, as soon as a new particle was discovered.
      3. 0
        23 September 2022 17: 09
        Kuzmin A.G. a real official historian and he always opposed the Norman theory. Yes, and the official history does not stand still, half a century ago in all official sources it was written that the Finno-Ugric peoples lived in Eastern Europe almost from the Stone Age ... but now, thank God, these views have been revised.
  3. -4
    23 September 2022 06: 15
    It doesn't matter what is now. It matters who is older.
  4. +7
    23 September 2022 06: 16
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    No wonder Mikhailo Lomonosov fought with the distorters of Russian history!

    He fought with them. He just punched them in the face...
    1. +7
      23 September 2022 06: 19
      I'm afraid if the author tries to fill Klim Zhukov's face, little will come of this venture, so it's not the best method of refutation.
      1. -4
        23 September 2022 06: 31
        Quote: Cartalon
        I'm afraid if the author tries to fill Klim Zhukov's face, little will come of this venture

        He just repeats the abracadabra, not invented by him ...

        not the best rebuttal

        I agree with that ...
    2. -3
      23 September 2022 10: 19
      Quote: Luminman
      punched in the face...

      It was for what!
      1. +4
        24 September 2022 13: 33
        Well, yes, Lomonosov fought the Germans, because the Germans lobbied Rurik the Swede, and Lomonosov himself drowned the Prusak for Rurik
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  6. +7
    23 September 2022 06: 24
    When did they have the Internet in the dypdom?
    1. 0
      23 September 2022 08: 13
      Quote: Nagan
      When did they have the Internet in the dypdom?


      You... that's... careful. Fire up.
      PS Joke. I could not resist. So put up...
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  8. -2
    23 September 2022 06: 35
    The main thing in this is to refute the theory of a change in the social system. The word feudalism somehow does not fit well into the history of modern authors.
  9. -4
    23 September 2022 07: 02
    ***
    - "Because of the Gothic red maiden, rushing on the blue sea,
    calling Russian gold, they sing Busovo time "...
    ***
    1. 0
      23 September 2022 07: 38
      Why did you cut off the quote, because the main thing is at the end:
      "Behold, the Gothic red maidens rush on the blue sea, ringing with Russian gold, sing the time of Busovo, cherish revenge on Sharokan" (c)
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    1. -6
      23 September 2022 18: 59
      Quote: EvilLion
      Yes, someone already ban Samsonov. Historian out of him, like a cow out of a goat.

      Are you a historian? A doctor's mistake can be convincingly proved only by a doctor, a mathematician's mistake only by a mathematician, neither by a tailor nor by an agronomist. I repeat the question - are you a historian?
  11. +2
    23 September 2022 10: 45
    That again the Norman theory does not let someone sleep? It seems to me that so many articles on this topic have already been published on this resource that you can print a solid two-volume book.
    1. +2
      23 September 2022 11: 11
      Article authors may be paid for the number of comments.
    2. +3
      23 September 2022 11: 17
      Interestingly, the cons probably reduce the number of articles? Or discredit the statement of fact?
      And as for the Norman theory, it has long been clear that we won’t find out the truth, but there is a historical hypothesis against which pure tales are put forward and conclusions are nothing to confirm, if you continue along this path, you can come to digging up the seas and falling asleep mountains ...
      1. +2
        23 September 2022 11: 24
        Also, these comments "but they rewrote our history by the Germans", it turns out that:
        Richman (German), physicist, friend of Lomonosov, remade Russian physics for us.
        Vasmer (Austrian) linguist, rewrote the language for us.
      2. -1
        23 September 2022 22: 36
        Quote: Kozak Za Bugra

        And as for the Norman theory, it has long been clear that we will not know the truth, but there is a historical hypothesis against which pure tales are put forward and

        But isn't the hypothesis, even though you called it historical, not yavl. the same tale?
        A hypothesis is just a guess.
    3. 0
      23 September 2022 19: 03
      Quote: Kozak Za Bugra
      That again the Norman theory does not let someone sleep?

      Because the Norman theory is the essence - the theory.
      Just a theory. Lacking a compelling evidence base. Otherwise it, the theory, would become a historical fact.
    4. 0
      24 September 2022 13: 36
      The end of the article opens the veil of secrecy and the message of this article - Kherson, Odessa - primordially Russian cities! That in connection with temporary events is politically (not saying historically) correct.
      1. 0
        10 December 2022 15: 55
        Mikhail Krivopalov. Are you sure that this is the very end you are hinting at? After all, there have always been and will be those in Rus' who remember well how they received an ax and a ralo from Adam and began to develop the land exactly where they stood and will always stand. "As one scribe wrote, Rus' has stood and will stand on that. The land is rich and plentiful, but there is no order in it." A thousand years have passed, but it is not mastered and completely disordered. Three people tried to master it, but after their death they achieved nothing, but were only condemned because of the introduction of order into their favorite disorder. Ivan turned out to be strict, Petro was not accommodating, and Joseph was independent of the boyars.
  12. +1
    23 September 2022 11: 42
    And now I will go through the masterpieces of this article:
    they picked up and developed the idea of ​​the "historical failure" of Russians and Slavs in general, of a "civilized and enlightened" Europe and "Russian barbarians", the cultural mission of the Germans in Russia.

    Well, where is it written in the annals? It is clear that there have already been cities, and the invitation rules the union of tribes of a foreigner, it is logical if there are misunderstandings between them, and a foreigner, as a third party, can objectively rule not in favor of one of them.
    If you think about it, then what did the Masons rewrite the history of the British too? After all, Wilhelm is a "Frenchman", but no, they are even proud of it, despite the fact that Wilhelm was not invited to, he conquered them himself.
    And as for insolvency ... Well, this is already about Hitler's stories that have nothing to do with history.

    the theory of Normanism is essentially a racist-fascist theory

    This is when the fascist theory then? In the eighteenth century?
    The answer is in the Great Game, geopolitics and information war that the West has been waging against Russia and the Russian people for centuries.

    Without words at all, there is no need to extrapolate the present to the past ... A hundred years ago, the Germans were barbarians for the West, as well as wild Americans who were then helped by the Russians, what a constant war we are talking about when there was no concept of the West centuries ago.
    Rurik - Rarog - Falcon

    Well, clearly ... From the works of Fomenko:
    "Aquila non capat moscas" is translated as "the eagle does not catch flies" - the eagle does not catch flies.
    Everything is clear ... In front of the minuses.
    1. +3
      23 September 2022 22: 48
      Quote: Kozak Za Bugra

      Well, where is it written in the annals?

      You are not at all in the topic, but you undertake to discuss it.
      The Norman "theory", "hypothesis" as you prefer, was invented just as proof of the failure of the Russians in the state business. construction and its management. Therefore, they say, the "Varangians" from "enlightened" Europe were called.
      I dare say - at the time of the appearance of the Russian centralized state on the Scandinavian peninsula, there was still no trace of the Norwegian or Swedish state, not to mention the Finnish one.
      1. -1
        28 September 2022 18: 17
        I dare say - at the time of the appearance of the Russian centralized state on the Scandinavian peninsula, there was still no trace of the Norwegian or Swedish state, not to mention the Finnish one.

        Yes.

        1) Falcon is Rarog - the embodiment of a fiery spirit associated with the cult of the hearth and God Svarog among the Slavs.

        Rarog was represented in the form of a bird (usually a predatory one)
        Slovenian - rárog, rárožica, járog

        2) The Scandinavians had a RAVEN bird !!!
        The god ODIN had two raven birds
        named Huginn and Muninn ("thought" and "memory" respectively)

        3) Raven is a black soothsayer of the night ...
        The Vikings had a popular cult of the supreme god Odin, who was a skilled sower of military strife and loved battles.

        4) The Slavs had a falcon.
        Since ancient times, it has been customary that the falcon carries the image of the sun (not the night!!! Like the Scandinavians), a symbol of courage and military prowess.


        5) Slavs Bodrichi (Obodrids)

        In the north of (present) Germany, the Bodrichi Slavs used to live.
        There is the city of Rerik, the capital of the Bodrichs.
        This is reported by archaeological excavations.
        Here the Germans found many Slavic settlements with the same architecture of the structure of dwellings and the culture of life as those of the Eastern Slavs.

        Rurik was born in Rerik.

        6) Rurik

        Prince Gotslav (Godislav ..) lived in the city of Rerik. He had 3 sons.

        First:

        The Macklenburg genealogies are a tree of obodrid princes,
        which were an alliance of Slavic tribes.

        There are Princes Bodrichi Slavs from the 5th century to the 11th

        There are names Rurik Sivar (Sineus) Truvor
        These are just the three brothers who came to reign in Ladoga.

        Secondly:
        Joachim Chronicle (historian Vasily Tatishchev)

        Prince Gotslav has 3 sons from his wife Umila Ladoga
        Truvor Sineus Rurik

        Thirdly:
        French traveler Xavier Marmier
        visited the north of Germany, where he wrote down a local legend:
        “... A very long time ago, three sons of the local Slavic prince went to the east,
        became famous and created the state of Rus.


        7) Rurik left

        In the XNUMXth century, the Danes could not take Rerik,
        therefore, their prince Gotslav was summoned by deceit and killed,
        Uncle Rurik Transcon was able to take Rurik with his brothers and their mother to the seashore.
        And they sailed to the islands of the Baltic Sea to the Russians.


        8) Varangian Sea and Rus

        Rus merchants of the north
        Russian blonde hair
        Russ Slavic peoples
        The sea was not controlled by the Scandinavians !!! otherwise it would be called Scandinavian
        And it was called Varangian


        9) Rurik in Ladoga

        Rurik came to Ladoga (to Lake Ladoga)

        In many chronicles (Novgorod fourth, Sofia, Nikon)
        reported about the arrival of the Slavs to Lake Ladoga.
        And from there to Ilmen, after which they began to be called Rus.

        They settled near the river Rusa, which flowed into the Ilmen, and built Novgorod.

        The first Russian state (Rus) - Slovenia (Ladoga Novgorod)
        1. 0
          10 December 2022 16: 08
          Great, already at that time the peoples were divided into Slavs and non-Slavs. Commemorative coins and medals were issued. Everyone was given a medal, and they would have given me, but they did not catch up. Everyone comes up with a story that they like. Only the Jews had a patriarch, and the rest were born like that. Only the Jewish patriarch brought human sacrifices to God, and among the Slavs, only booze and snacks. It is not recommended to dig further, there you can get to the bottom of this, which Fedya got to the bottom of in the song of V. Vysotsky. Once he brought home something that made mom and dad cry sobbing. Do not delve into the past, so you can get to the bottom of such that they dug deeper from the human eye, and most importantly the nose. A putrid smell wafts from there... Some people lead a bunch of people like in French folklore they drove a donkey with a carrot in front of its muzzle.
    2. 0
      24 September 2022 13: 39
      France generally got its name in honor of the Germanic tribe of the Franks, I didn’t hear that it bothered anyone there. Slavs are Bulgarians, in honor of the Turkic tribe of Bulgars.
  13. +4
    23 September 2022 12: 05
    The creative team of "Samsonov" having sprinkled another pearl, very accurately linked this (and how) with modern political tasks. At the end of the article it is quite clear what it is about.
    In order to refute the "Germans" who wrote us history, we need to operate with facts. This is a serious scientific (moreover, history is not a science, and therefore Sisyphus) work. In fact, the article is a political propaganda from the USSR, on the eve of the coup.
  14. -8
    23 September 2022 12: 16
    Samsonov Alexander. Thank you for the article, very high quality and good analysis of the stories.
    I ask you not to pay attention to the comment with banter and continue to write further your works.
    1. +2
      23 September 2022 17: 13
      Quote: Rostislav Pushkarev Vladimirovich
      Samsonov Alexander. Thank you for the article, very high quality and good analysis of the stories.
      I ask you not to pay attention to the comment with banter and continue to write further your works.

      I wrote such "works" at school ...
      1. -2
        23 September 2022 22: 01
        I do not like those people who lose their humanity and try to humiliate and deny other opinions in every possible way.
        Politics Religion and History are very closely interconnected. And it is foolish not to see that public views and worldviews are being manipulated with the help of Religions and Stories. Well, I don’t believe the official stories that are presented to us that the Russian-Slavic state appeared after the baptism of Russia, and before that the Neanderthal barbarians lived and, in general, some people were not understandable, there was no culture, there was no writing. Sorry, but I do not believe in such a theory. Samsonov Alexander has more logic in his theories than in others. And you yourself seem to understand and see already at this time the present how they are trying to change history and views, for example, you don’t have to go far how they are trying to change the history of the Great Patriotic history and a look at it, in the CIS countries and other countries you can read to study which one history is taught there or is it an accident or what? If a people without culture and without a past, then it is easy to manage and write anything you want. I would advise you to study Indian (Vedic) and Chinese culture and writing, maybe you would learn even more knowledge and interest. Thank you for your attention, although I do not share it.
        1. 0
          23 September 2022 22: 36
          Read A. G. Kuzmin. This is much better and more useful than Chinese and Indian treatises, which have nothing to do with us.
          1. -1
            23 September 2022 23: 23
            Well read, Thank you for the advice, even as they have, everything is interconnected.
        2. 0
          10 December 2022 16: 11
          They always change what they pay for. Who the hell needs it?
          1. 0
            26 December 2022 19: 59
            But, damn it, you said it incorrectly.
  15. +4
    23 September 2022 12: 28
    I don’t understand, what are they trying to achieve with these bikes? What does it add to pride? For me it's quite the opposite.
    Well, here's the real story:
    A country as a country is no worse, but in general even better than others - basically all the wars were won even against powerful armies like Napoleon or Hitler which no one could stop, they didn’t trade blacks and slaves, they didn’t arrange genocide anywhere, they didn’t play Nazism, maybe somewhere which was bad, well, it was bad everywhere, and mostly even worse.

    And here are the alternatives:
    From sea to sea (from the Pacific to the Atlantic, and even the whole of America) was Russia, and they all played sharply, turned into oblivious mankurts who were imposed on someone else's history. O! Here I feel pride for such a story, but only now there really is not enough dug sea, and with caps, and the Ural Mountains poured dug earth.

    Judging by the minuses of the adherents of mankurtism and historical self-mockery, it’s enough wassat fellow
    1. +2
      23 September 2022 15: 18
      I agree. We have something to be proud of and something to offer the world. Why this anti-scientific complex of resentment is incomprehensible.
      1. -1
        23 September 2022 17: 15
        Quote: NG inform
        I agree. We have something to be proud of and something to offer the world. Why this anti-scientific complex of resentment is incomprehensible.

        There is a sense in the article, but here is the presentation ... at the level of a school abstract.
        1. -2
          23 September 2022 17: 31
          There is no sense in it, what is written there correlates very little with the real state of affairs.
          1. 0
            23 September 2022 17: 34
            Quote: NG inform
            It has no meaning

            The meaning is...
            Quote: NG inform
            correlates very little with the real state of affairs.

            But you can’t argue with this, I also think so.
      2. -1
        10 December 2022 16: 19
        NG inform. After what happened in the 90s, there is nothing to be especially proud of. From the advanced countries in all respects, they climbed into the Middle Ages in terms of politics and the relationship of man to man. Everything is as it was under the tsar and the same order, but they brag about what they have no idea about, what the war against Ukraine showed. Where the country is more backward in all respects, what it used to be, clicks on the nose of Russia. The world is mocking the strange one who rejected her famous history and climbed into feudalism. What is the collapse of the commonwealth of the country of the USSR worth? With a strong mind and memory, who would do this?!
    2. -2
      24 September 2022 17: 06
      Quote: Kozak Za Bugra
      I don’t understand, what are they trying to achieve with these bikes? What does it add to pride? For me it's quite the opposite.
      Well, here's the real story:
      A country as a country is no worse, but in general even better than others - basically all the wars were won even against powerful armies like Napoleon or Hitler which no one could stop, they didn’t trade blacks and slaves, they didn’t arrange genocide anywhere, they didn’t play Nazism, maybe somewhere which was bad, well, it was bad everywhere, and mostly even worse.

      And here are the alternatives:
      From sea to sea (from the Pacific to the Atlantic, and even the whole of America) was Russia, and they all played sharply, turned into oblivious mankurts who were imposed on someone else's history. O! Here I feel pride for such a story, but only now there really is not enough dug sea, and with caps, and the Ural Mountains poured dug earth.

      Judging by the minuses of the adherents of mankurtism and historical self-mockery, it’s enough wassat fellow

      I agree with all the statements, except for genocide. Estates, their own People, a Russian peasant have been so "genocidal" for centuries that an African slave never dreamed of, Or maybe he did, who knows what is sweeter - serfdom or a plantation in sunny Florida .
  16. +4
    23 September 2022 12: 46
    Samsonism - senseless and merciless laughing
  17. +1
    23 September 2022 15: 17
    Norman theory is the 19th century. The very appeal to this term shows anti-science, it is somewhat reminiscent of exposing Darwin (ignoring the huge array of knowledge and theories gained in subsequent centuries).
    I propose to demolish the article so as not to disgrace.
    1. +3
      23 September 2022 15: 26
      Quote: NG inform
      Norman theory is the 19th century. The very appeal to this term shows anti-science, it is somewhat reminiscent of exposing Darwin (ignoring the huge array of knowledge and theories gained in subsequent centuries).
      I propose to demolish the article so as not to disgrace.

      You, too, of that ... the Norman theory is the time of Anna Ivanovna. Didn't know she lived in the 19th century...
      1. -3
        23 September 2022 15: 27
        The 19th century is the moment before which it had at least some meaning.
        1. 0
          23 September 2022 16: 52
          It didn't make sense at 18, and it doesn't make sense at 21.
  18. +1
    23 September 2022 15: 24
    What the hell ... like a schoolboy wrote. Damn, from such opponents of the Norman theory of harm no less than from those who promote it.
  19. -3
    23 September 2022 15: 27
    Writers, scientists, archaeologists, historians are engaged in new artifacts and draw new conclusions. The main problem is that if you reject the Norman theory, then you will have to climb into the depths of millennia. So let's see what conclusion we come to in Russia.
    1. -2
      23 September 2022 15: 43
      The Norman "theory" has long been refuted more than once, it's another matter that in its manured field many have raised scientific knowledge for themselves.
      It’s a pity that Mikhail Lomonosov is not here now to clean the pug for the last of Miller-Bayer smile
      1. +5
        23 September 2022 18: 00
        Sure sure. Mikhailo Vasilievich was the first to refute it in a rude way - "how can you write that the Russians are descended from the Swedes when we are at war with the Swedes?" Well, the rest of the "refutations" in the same spirit.
  20. -3
    23 September 2022 15: 36
    Quote: EvilLion
    Yes, someone already ban Samsonov. From him the historian, as from goat cow.

    fisherman fisherman.... laughing
  21. -2
    23 September 2022 15: 38
    What nonsense!!!! The political background of MODERNITY, momentary ideology, the desire of YOUR nationalist legend! Like independent Ukrainians! And what, that the Ladoga trading post of the Normans, who lived more than 1000 years ago? And if the Iranians were ancient Sarmatians and Scythians, is it a shame for us, for modern Russians? Does this infringe on someone's NATIONALISTIC ELIGIBILITY? ... For 300 years, the Mongol Khan was called the king! And what? Does this detract from the fact that we turned THEM backbone? Or we will rewrite the history of the IGA, because some kind of HOMEGROWN NATSYK does not want to know that IT WAS SO?!!!! .... The foundation of Russian GREATNESS cannot be built on a LIE! on the Juggling and suppression of REAL FACTS!!!!... THE POWER IN THE TRUTH, whatever it is! And the weakness in the LIE, no matter how good intentions it would not be dictated! So it was, is, and will be.
    1. -2
      24 September 2022 17: 20
      Well, about the Yoke, or rather the involvement of the NATION OF MONGOLS in it, not everything is so simple. But yes, Great Russian chauvinism. Only on this today's batch is built. Either lie down under the Saxons, with all their delights of being - iridescent, asexual, "lovers" of animals, an irrepressible thirst for consumption and a wolf to man, globalism in general, or justify your own peculiarity. But as? So similar historians appear, with "reports in the fifth grade at a history lesson." The theory of the class struggle was a more reliable means.
  22. 0
    23 September 2022 16: 15
    In general, if you don’t know what to write, scold the West.
    There are no facts, no examples, only a nod to the West ...
  23. +6
    23 September 2022 17: 41
    >Russian state before the calling of Rurik existed for at least 2-3 millennia.
    Let us lower the veil of pity over the end of this scene.
    1. +1
      23 September 2022 20: 55
      Let us lower the veil of pity over the end of this scene.
      And let's go knock over a glass of cognac, during the intermission.
      1. 0
        23 September 2022 21: 57
        Note Anton, I did not propose this! drinks
        1. +1
          23 September 2022 22: 09
          Great art is always taken to drink strong alcohol. Yes, at least go to the "Swan Lake" at the Mariinsky Theater, and during the intermission - to the buffet!)))
        2. +4
          23 September 2022 22: 17
          And not me, of course, because I worked in Aleksandrinka. This is drama, not ballet. Drama needs vodka!
        3. +2
          23 September 2022 22: 29
          Notice
          Something with me is now all on "you" .... Did I insult everyone at once, or did I get leprosy?
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          2. +1
            24 September 2022 07: 00
            Toka, good morning!
            You can’t throw away a word from the classics:
            Arkady Varlamovich, why don't we clap a glass?
            “Note that I didn’t suggest this!” (c)
            And on this "on you" it turned out!
  24. +7
    23 September 2022 17: 57
    What kind of guano is posted here? Has the site turned into a dump?
  25. +5
    23 September 2022 18: 44
    After reading this article, we can say with confidence: Now the pseudoscientific theory has been put to shame and Russia has finally been saved (again)!
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  27. +2
    23 September 2022 20: 10
    this is some bullshit. Why would the German Schlozer drown for the "Swede" Rurik? Why not a German then?
    Read about England, or something ... who just didn’t rule them. And the Romans and Saxons-Germans and Normans. It all ended with the Frenchized Scandinavian Guillaume (Wilhelm) bastard, who brought with him from France all the current English nobility. They spoke English in 300 years. Does someone in the once great Britain have complexes about this? After all, they were not ruled by local guys for 1000 years ...
    Threat Etruscans ... it's some kind of shame
  28. -1
    23 September 2022 21: 35
    The rule of foreign princes was among the British and the Poles. There is nothing humiliating here. It is not very good, of course, that from the middle of the 18th century until 1917 ethnic Germans ruled Russia, but this is not a disaster either.

    The catastrophe is the conclusion of the author that the Russians, like suckers, have lost and forgotten their history. They have no memory and tolerate the imposition of anything. Here the author pushes the Russians to self-recognition of not being useful.

    Eklmn ..... Whoever you read, the same guano is everywhere: "We slept soundly and didn’t know a damn thing bald, but these came and this and that and what they wanted to do with us fools, and we suckers for 500 years didn’t do anything understood...."

    Yes, it's better to have 10 Ruriks come to our service than to believe in such crap.
  29. -2
    23 September 2022 21: 44
    since under one name or another the Russian state had already existed for at least 2-3 millennia before the calling of Rurik.

    I propose not to be like dill historians. This is the same as saying that the Arab Republic of Egypt has a 5-year history. Egypt and ARE are two big differences. Egypt ended in the second half of the first millennium.
    Before the era of Peter I, Russian and Western historiographers (in Europe these sources were later removed or edited) knew the true story. They brought the Russians from the biblical Japheth and from the grandson of Noah Scythian, from Rus, considering them to be the most ancient people. That is, the Russians stood in the old sources on the same board with the very ancient peoples of the biblical period - Jews and Armenians.

    They didn't know anything, it was just a tradition
  30. +1
    23 September 2022 21: 52
    Alexander, have you heard anything about Comrade Klein Lev Samuilovich and the materials of the Slavic-Varangian seminar organized by him back in the 60s of the last century?
    In general, were you interested in the current state of academic science on this issue?
    Or will you continue to sculpt articles at the level of parochial schools and educational program?
  31. -1
    23 September 2022 23: 23
    Oh, how Russophobic supporters of the absolutely False Norman theory got excited. Soul impulses. These supporters of Forgery do not hesitate to engage in - replacing the Word (attire) with another word. And even textbooks are published false.
    The falsity of the Norman theory (at least read Lesny) has long been proven and transmitted, but there are figures who advocate for it.
    1. -1
      24 September 2022 08: 01
      Vladimir, take the substances.
      Administration, please properly adjust the length of the comment - not everyone has the desire and the ability to paint meaningless sheets.
  32. 0
    24 September 2022 00: 58
    This article is correct because genetic analysis in Spain and Portugal showed that the Swabians and Franks were Germanic and the Visigoths were Slavs.
    1. +1
      24 September 2022 10: 44
      You already decide ... Suebi lived on the territory of present-day Portugal ... they are de Swabians laughing and how did your "scientists" determine where the descendants are ready and where are the descendants of the Celts and Iberians?
      1. 0
        24 September 2022 11: 06
        Germanic genes were discovered in Portugal and Galicia by the Suebi, and in Catalonia by the Franks. Where were the Goths then, of whom there were many more and who settled throughout the peninsula? The mystery was solved when a significant amount of Slavic genes were discovered in Cantabria, Asturias and Leon, regions where the Goths retreated after the invasion from North Africa to mix with the Celts of the northern Atlantic Peninsula.
        1. +1
          24 September 2022 11: 21
          Oh how belay And when the Goths were in the North. Africa? You opened a new page in history lol and about the presence of the Celts in the 8th century AD. it's something at all. By the way, Asturich, for your information, this is the region. Suevian settlements. laughing
        2. +4
          24 September 2022 13: 51
          What is "Slavic genes"? Ethnicity is not only a set of genes, it is also a language and culture. For example, R1a1, in addition to being pronounced in Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, is also strongly present in Iran and northern India, but I think no one will argue that Iranians and Indians with R1a1 are Russians or Poles.
          1. 0
            24 September 2022 16: 07
            Not in the north of India, but among the Brahmin caste up to 70-80 percent. The result of the presence of the Aryans in India. The Aryans came to India from the territory of the Russian Plain.
            In the European territory of Russia, up to 80 percent, and the closer to the west, the lower the R1a1 indicator.
            And the more false the history of the people, the easier it is to manipulate them and all sorts of abscesses appear, such as the pro-Western intelligentsia. Professors who provide their laboratories for the manufacture of explosives. As it was in 1905.
  33. -1
    24 September 2022 11: 47
    everything is much more pessimistic. The question is how much the species of people with the r1b1 haplotype could evolve in 22000 thousand years. At best, for us, since we are part of this historical consciousness, in all sorts of cyclical time periods, we live in the era of the decline of its development. And it turns out that in order for a new kind of people to appear, they will need development conditions since the Stone Age.
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 17: 09
      The Slavs, including the Russians, have the haplogroup R1a1, and not R1b1 like the Western Europeans. These haplogroups appeared not 22000 years ago, but 4500 years ago. Haplogroup R22000 appeared 1 years ago.
      1. 0
        29 September 2022 19: 28
        The r1b haplotype is interesting to me because it has a more interesting migration.
  34. +2
    25 September 2022 09: 37
    I don’t remember on which channel I watched a film about the capture of England by the Vikings in the 8th century. The question was raised about the legacy that those Vikings left. So, in modern English there are still words of Norman origin! And if we consider the second capture of England by the Normans (already Frenchified, sailing from Normandy, led by William the Conqueror) - there is a huge mass of words from him in modern English!
    But in the Russian language there are simply no words of Norman origin !!! And this despite the fact that the Normans allegedly created our statehood from scratch, from scratch! They may object to me - more than 1000 years have passed, Norman words have been replaced by Russian ones? But they are not in the most ancient written documents either - in Yaroslav the Wise's Russkaya Pravda there are no Normanisms. Just as there is no mention that the Russian princes, allegedly descendants of the Vikings, kept some idols of Thor or Odin left over from their ancestors as a home relic.
    1. +1
      29 September 2022 17: 02
      The capture of England by the Normans was not in the 8th century, then there were just raids, but in the 11th century, more precisely in 1066 after the Battle of Hastings. That's right, the Russian princes were their own for the people, therefore they lived like all people in cities in ordinary houses, and did not lock themselves in fortified castles, like foreign invaders Normans in Western Europe
      1. 0
        29 September 2022 19: 25
        I know perfectly well when the LAST capture of Britain by the Normans was (this is also written in my post), but in that film the events of the 8th century were considered precisely as a capture, albeit short-term and not of the entire territory, but of separate parts.
  35. -2
    26 September 2022 21: 41
    This first comment of a certain Kartalon says a lot: "Oh, another anti-scientific article, for the sake of shit, let it be eternal." In the style of transferring the bearded Gordon "gordonquixote" when utopians from academic science and self-taught progressives, along with the late Mikhail Zadornov, were invited to it, famous eccentrics, but without a title and a diploma - the conclusion is simple: businessmen have come into science for a long time and there is no one to throw them out of it, there is no time and no need, it’s just that the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Federation has been mired in bribery for centuries, it’s just private shops at the expense of the treasury. So in the aforementioned program, in the final speech, one of the academicians said: this is only our cow and we will milk it ... therefore, articles like this one, Comrade Samsonov, will also remain only air disturbers: as there were cockroaches in history textbooks, so they will remain there and get into the minds of the students.
  36. -1
    27 September 2022 12: 55
    Yes, what the fuck is the difference what he did there and whether Rurik-Yurik really was!
    If we go into history, then when the Egyptians built the pyramids, the Europeans generally sat on trees and measured their tails, who had a fluffier tassel at the end.
    We must look not at a historical event, but at how the nation took advantage of this opportunity!
    In the end, those arrogant, then the French of different dynasties on the throne, starting with Wilhelm, then the Scots, then the second ruling house is the Germans. First there were the Welfs, now the Saxe-Coburgs, which, for minimal decency, were repainted as Windsors.
    The funniest thing with the Swedes: with all due respect to Marshal Bernadotte (aka King of Sweden Karl XIV Johan), he is not even a nobleman, but the son of a solicitor, a nettle seed wink.
    And nothing, no one reproaches them with this, although there the situation was just there - a mess in the country and the search for someone who can restore at least some order.
  37. kig
    -2
    29 September 2022 10: 59
    It was created by Western historiography and their Russian followers in order to distort the true history of Russia and the Russian superethnos.
    for sure Samsonov ... come on, quickly down ... yeah, that's exactly it. It's time for him to become a deputy.
  38. +1
    29 September 2022 16: 51
    The information war against Russia-Russia-USSR has been going on for more than one thousand years. It’s just not clear why our official historians and all sorts of other academicians do not want to bring the history of the Russian people to reality, but with the stubbornness of maniacs support Russophobic Normanist fictions about the wild tribes of the Slavs, allegedly organized into a state by the Normans.
    In the annalistic year of Rurik's calling, the Normans were savages who did not have their own states, writing, developed language and industrial production of iron. That is, in terms of development, they lagged behind the Eastern Slavs by 200-300 years, but in terms of numbers and culture, they were not even close.
  39. 0
    1 October 2022 22: 55
    Igor Huberman said more clearly about many problems in the history of society: “We can already see the depth of centuries in indistinguishable detail, and only a historian is given the opportunity to lie documentarily.” I want to draw your attention to the fact that the public, which is called the Normans, Vikings, Varangians, are not the names of tribes, but groups of hunters and seafarers that separated from different tribes, engaged in hunting, fishing, robbery and exchange. Of these, sometimes, like the Byzantine emperors, they formed guards and military units. Maybe sometimes longer ties were established, first in the form of robbery, then regular tribute. But it is hard to imagine that this public created city-states in those days.
    1. 0
      27 November 2022 23: 43
      A decent and cultured person will not listen to a filthy Jew, even the best of them.
  40. 0
    6 November 2022 08: 55
    The first paragraph rolled my eyes. This is the same as the ancient Ukrainians, only in a Russian way
  41. 0
    8 November 2022 12: 06
    Normans =?= White-horde
    The Irony and tragedy today is that Ukrainians believe that siding with narco-nigga Franco-Anglo-America would actually make them whiter ;-)
    1. 0
      27 November 2022 23: 32
      The outskirts are southerners, dark-skinned, black-browed and brown-eyed steppe dwellers. What a Turk, what a Ukrainian - it's all the same.
      1. 0
        18 December 2022 07: 43
        Agree! Assimilation of Karaites, Russians, Jews, Moldavians, Greeks. There's blood in there...
  42. 0
    9 November 2022 17: 00
    No, the author is still far from Fomenko and Noskov. The flight of thought is weak. Nowadays we need to think more creatively. Recently, another friend of mine learned the truth that the Earth is flat. This is the scope of thought and uncomplicated mind, I respect it. Ancient Ukrainians with their Black Sea - the same worthy truth and freedom from any restrictions of scientists and falsifications of history. And this article has yet to grow and grow to these giants of thought!
  43. 0
    27 November 2022 23: 27
    Everything is absolutely true. The Russian state and Russia itself arose in the north, in the Baltic. The first capital was Staraya Ladoga, the second capital was Novgorod. In southern Khazar Kyiv, the Russians came from the northwest with Rurik as invaders and took him to fulfill the eternal Russian imperial ambitions and to implement the Nord Stream - the trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks.
  44. +1
    4 December 2022 04: 23
    Yes, it is interestingly written, but there are no reliable scientific sources.
    I also have my own theory, while I clarify - I am not a historian, not a politician and not, God forgive me, a journalist. Retired, seventh decade of age. I have two higher educations, I work in my specialty, I like to read and discuss interesting things. So. I suppose that one and a half thousand years ago, and most likely, and more, it was like this: from the North, from the territory of the lost land of Thule, who could escape from the planetary cataclysm came to our current mainland. They came, settled along the northern coast of the mainland, there was a single people. Well, then, as it usually happens, word for word, than there on the table, a single people began to separate, just like we are now, completely at odds with once brothers. We remain with our own, they have become Europeans, the third grade. It's like an example.
    So. Those northern people were their ancestors of a different civilization, earlier. They suffered misfortune at the crossing, well, there are internal accounts for each other, so it started, the connection of times broke up, they separated. Some part went to the east, became the ancestors of the Slavs. Someone remained in the same place where they arrived, while others moved into the heat, to the south.
    Our ancestors knew for sure about all these excursions, and therefore, not a stranger was called to the leadership, but from their own. Rurik, or whatever the name was, but they were ours, they were consanguineous, and not gentlemen from the highly developed West.
    Something like this. I have the right. Moreover, and we have an example now that this is exactly what is happening, there, the formation of a new European people is underway, the Europeans. It will finally get dirty, and they will come up with a new name for themselves.
  45. -1
    8 December 2022 21: 43
    edrit .. what kind of nonsense I just read? Does this resource even have article pre-moderation? How could such a thing be posted?
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  47. 0
    18 December 2022 07: 38
    Dear! Pay attention to the fact that at all times burned (BURNED) archives and libraries. How to clear history in browser. "Pravda" will be created artificially! So I don't see the point in arguing.
  48. 0
    18 December 2022 10: 09
    The date is conditional, since under certain names the Russian state, before the calling of Rurik, existed for at least 2–3 millennia.

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