Pope in the steppes of Kazakhstan

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Pope in the steppes of Kazakhstan

Steppe and steppe all around
The path is far.
In that steppe deaf
The driver died...

(Russian folk song)

Two days before the SCO summit and the day before the visit of the head of China to Kazakhstan, the plane of the head of the smallest state on the planet and the marshal of, perhaps, one of the largest religious armies, Pope Francis, landed in Astana. The official reason to visit Astana, which lies as much as ten thousand kilometers east of Rome, was the 14th Congress of Leaders of World and Traditional Religions that took place there on September 15-XNUMX.

But is it only the event, which takes place annually in Astana, that made 86-year-old Francis, who has not recovered from knee surgery, moves in a wheelchair and gets up with obvious difficulty, embark on such a long journey? His visit, of course, was announced in advance, although possible amendments to the state of health were implied, that is, no one would be surprised at the cancellation of the visit due to objective circumstances. But the goal, apparently, was so important that the head of the Vatican decided to ignore the problems for a while.



Francis has always been a rather active person, during his career he made almost sixty apostolic visits, but he flew to Central Asia for the first time. At first glance, this is not surprising, because if in Europe (with the exception of Hungary and Poland) and the USA, the flock of the Vatican is already in many ways only nominally Catholic, then in South and Latin America, as well as Africa and the Philippines, the Holy See has “divisions” still quite full-blooded.

Against their background, adherents of Rome in Central Asia look like this: Kazakhstan itself, where there are a total of 180 thousand Catholics for almost 20 million people (in 9 million Belarus officially 4 times more), Kyrgyzstan - 5,2 thousand, Turkmenistan - 0,5 thousand, Mongolia - 1,1 thousand, Uzbekistan - 2,7 thousand, there are still 0,4 thousand Catholics in Tajikistan and even 100 people in Afghanistan. The position of Catholics is somewhat better in Iran (about 22 in all communities), which, strange as it may seem at first glance, has quite a long working relationship with the Holy See. The problem is that for Christian proselytism, and even more so for the conversion of Muslims, the adept runs the risk of falling under the law to the gallows. But Iran is “not quite” a Central Asian direction.

A number of Western publications expressed the opinion that on the sidelines of the XNUMXth Congress, Francis plans to meet with the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, to discuss the Ukrainian issue and the NVO with him, but after the dialogue of both primates in May on exactly the same topic, which Moscow considered "disrespectful", the likelihood such a meeting initially approached zero. That is, it is obvious that it would be incorrect to consider this as the target event of the visit. By the way, most likely, that is why this visit of Francis passed with us almost without coverage.

But everything related to the political dialogue with the leadership of Kazakhstan was prepared at an exceptional level. The speeches of Francis at the meeting with K. Zh. Tokayev upon arrival and in the concert hall "Kazakhstan", of course, were filled with a set of protocol toasts, but there was much more behind the network of these quite understandable chants. Now deep political and economic reforms have been announced in Kazakhstan, but one of the goals of these reforms is investment attractiveness and facilitating attempts to expand its representation in international trade. The second goal is to ensure leadership among the Central Asian states. And the author has repeatedly described the stages of such a movement and intermediate results. But after all, leadership is not just a position that you can declare and go to drink tea, leadership should be perceived as such by both close and distant surroundings.

A day later, Xi Jinping will issue such a “mandate from the East” to K. Zh. Tokaev, and on September 14, the head of the Vatican issued his “permanent pass” to a certain part of Western business and politics for the Kazakh president. Francis blessed the reforms:

“Your country has a form of statehood that reflects the needs of the people. In recent months, there has been a process of democratization, giving greater rights to parliament and local authorities.”

Emphasized the role of Astana in the formation of regional unity:

“And here I want to thank Kazakhstan for always trying to unite.”

“We need leaders who at the international level could promote mutual understanding and dialogue between peoples and revive the “Helsinki spirit.”

It is precisely the non-trivial mention of Helsinki that allows us to conclude that it is not an ordinary greeting, but a form of approval of the goals that Astana is striving for. It should be taken into account that already at that time the first shots were fired in Batken on the border of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, whose representatives were also in Astana, though not the first political figures. So, the role of "Helsinki" was addressed specifically to K. Zh. Tokayev and Kazakhstan, and not abstractly to the region and its politicians.

In fact, Francis gave the green light to the broad cooperation of the business circles he sponsors, which are still quite closely connected with the aristocratic elite of a number of countries, which continues, according to the good old tradition, to withdraw rent payments from the “younger” European business, and in the literal sense. For the Central Asian countries, such a pass to the circles associated with family investment funds, insurance, rent and antiques means a lot - recognition. In Russia, it is quite difficult to understand this aspect of our neighbors, although should we be surprised that the elites are looking towards the West? For the Central Asian states, the situation is seriously complicated by the fact that these circles in Europe have no real idea of ​​a deep cultural interaction with the region in terms of doing business. Raw materials projects do not count here, this is a special category.

Why does Astana need this splendor, in general, is understandable, but what is the point of the Vatican to establish such “bridges of friendship”, if we abstract from philanthropy? And the point is that the Holy See, while Beijing was laying its Silk Roads, also set the task of repeating history Plano Carpini began to pave the way to China, realizing that every year of economic recession and political battles in the EU and the USA weaken him, the Vatican, the main “food base” and increase the potential of what the author calls the “eastern cluster”, which includes and Middle Asia. Moreover, the situation in the US and the EU is such that Rome literally began to "burn heels."

Talk about "two Europes", old and new, has been going on for a long time. They have a real historical precedent, when US Vice President D. Cheney described the processes in the EU in this way, but so far there is no single connotation for all. If for D. Cheney, old Europe meant countries that are historical members of the NATO bloc, and for discussions in the European Parliament, new Europe is already countries that joined it after Maastricht, then for the Vatican this division lies in the sphere of religion and the concentration of family assets and the ability to influence through on social and political processes.

Little is said about this, but along with the formation of the “Greater EU” of the current 27 countries, there was a gradual weakening of the influence of Catholic Rome as a kind of moderator and flag of tribal business, largely tied to land and financial rent, and the growth of the influence of the new business, young, as would now be called "technological". A fierce struggle unfolded between politicians and ideologues of the old formation and the chicks of the globalist nest, often called simply a crowd of "soros". This is not an exact term, but it reflects the very essence of the phenomenon when a politician is formed outside of traditional circles, in new "incubators of individual leadership." The Jesuit order also developed its own incubators for the production of such representatives for centuries - Catholic academies, universities, schools. And so, gradually, these schools stopped producing politicians and officials, and the new “new leadership farms” (usually under the US umbrella) began to rivet replacements for them on a truly commercial scale, since the incorporation proceeded without regard to the initial status of the applicant.

For more than fifteen years now, a desperate struggle has been going on in Europe and the United States between “bottom line” businesses and “new leadership” politicians, overseen by structures like the “Open Society”, supported by part of Wall Street, American Democrats and the old, essentially rent-free, elite. For a long time in the 20th century, the aristocracy and the so-called. “self-mades” worked together and without any problems, creating enterprises, investment funds, but gradually all these structures began to be “eroded” by a completely different type of managers, and financing, ratings and profit structure shifted towards “young technocrats” of a seemingly liberal orientation , but some strange type. As a result, when the Vatican saw that it was dealing not with a certain liberal formation of a new wave, but with a natural sect, aggressively anti-Christian, which was only hiding behind the shield of liberalism, it was already, in general, too late, since the Roman prelates had lost, as they say today, "Agenda".

Two years ago, the author wrote in the article “What the victory of the City on the Hill prepares for us” for the election of J. Biden that we are present in the process of a kind of crusade against Christian Europe and the USA, and a successful campaign. Over the past twenty years, the Vatican has gone from being an important moderator and arbiter in Europe and the US to a semi-marginal consortium. Today, Rome no longer has a strong political influence even in Poland. To participate in the negotiation process on Ukraine, Rome cannot rely on European circles, for this it attracts ... the President of Mexico, who has the same idea of ​​Donbass as the average Russian has of knot writing. The traditionalists cannot even recapture their "second air" - gas, the basis of their production.

What to do now with this sectarian upheaval in Europe and the United States, which is also fueled by US government resources, as well as waves of migration, the See of Rome does not know from the word "absolutely". Naturally, this confrontation affects Russia as well, since our country is the main donor of that same traditional industrial Europe. And according to the idea of ​​the "liberal sect", there should be another donor of Europe - a new, correct one. For sectarians, the battle in Ukraine and the indefinite gas lockdown of European industrialists is a boon, because they are to create a new ideal state on the ruins, but for Roman traditionalists it is a disaster.

And since these processes, which, quite possibly, many will simply perceive as part of some kind of conspiracy theory, have been going on for quite a few years, the Vatican has been starting to rebuild bridges with China since 2018, and even initially successfully. Interaction with the Communist Party of China among the Roman prelates was traditionally tense, because, although through no fault of their own, the Roman residence was cut off in Taiwan, and the Vatican recognized Taiwan as one of the first. This left a colossal imprint on all subsequent decades, since the Roman throne practically ceased to control its flock in China. Mao severed relations, tore down and closed churches, sent out missionaries and founded his own "Catholic Association", which itself licensed the activities of Catholics. The Chinese Communists quite reasonably perceived the Jesuits (the advance detachment of the holy fathers) as political manipulators and spies, especially since there were a lot of historical examples of this kind. Of course, they were not treated as strictly and uncompromisingly as the renegade Buddhists from the Falun Gong sect, but this did not make it easier for Rome.

Accordingly, no one still knows the number of Catholics in China itself (approximately 12 million people. According to estimates). And the prelates are approved by the document of the CCP itself without any connection with the Vatican, which is unprecedented in history for Rome. In 2018, Rome agreed to the mutual recognition of "mandates", and some of the official "Red Catholics" began to be recognized in the Vatican (although after their service they were no longer placed on the pulpit anywhere in the world), and China began to issue official licenses to the Vatican "Catholics" black." But the holy fathers would not have been themselves, and shortly before the visit of Francis, the Roman prelate Y. Chen agreed that he was accused of subversive activities, "conspiracy with external forces", and was put behind bars by the Chinese.

And so, when the liberal sect went for broke in Ukraine, cutting off all traditional ties, destroying the industrial base and marginalizing traditional values ​​in the West in principle - at the level of existential confrontation, the great Roman pontificate in the past had to fly to Astana without agreeing a meeting with the Chinese leader, and hoping through him to influence the course of events in Ukraine. Rome and China really have something in common on this track - neither side wants the final collapse of Europe. Rome as the main financial and fodder base, and China as markets, machines and technologies. The equalization of the cost of raw materials in relation to other industries is a natural process, and Europe should shrink in any case, but not to the extent that the new ultra-liberal sectarians consider.

The author is even surprised that the media practically went unnoticed by that most important episode, that the Roman Pontiff counted on even the shortest meeting with the Chinese leader, in fact, exclusively “at random”. But the delegations exchanged messages, and the meeting did not even take place. The leader of China did not break the schedule for this, and an annoyed Francis issued two tirades:

"Chinese mentality is not easy to understand, but it must be respected, I always respect it."

And right there:

"The Chinese mentality is rich, and when it is unhealthy, it loses this wealth..."

And this irritation was hardly heard in Beijing. And heard, and brought in a notebook.

In response, the head of the Catholics spent a long time mumbling the delegation from our Russian Orthodox Church, lavishing platitudes, but the fact remained - to talk about the fate of Christianity in Europe and the sad fate of “traditional values” there, Xi Jinping sent Francis to Moscow to his Russian colleague. Meanwhile, in Samarkand, the Russian leader was discussing the European dilemma with Indian, Chinese and Iranian partners - how to conduct a further campaign so that Europe and its industrial base would finally “give no oak”, because losing such a market for these countries would be an unacceptable price. Ukrainian crisis. And right before our eyes, Moscow began to make rather harsh and tough decisions. Gas storages in the EU are almost full, and it is possible that European production and trade can survive the crisis of the next escalation of hostilities in Ukraine without supercritical problems for some time. And there is not much time - winter is coming.

The throne of Rome has long tried to feed the Russian elite, welcomed, handed out statuses, crosses and other regalia, but it is unlikely that any of the previously powerful Jesuit fathers would have thought that they would have to walk through the “deaf steppe” with an outstretched hand, sing Italian journalists thatthe regime in China cannot be called anti-democratic"and send weapon to Ukraine "may be morally unacceptable if the goal is to further inflame the war, sell weapons or dispose of unnecessary". Did the predecessors of Francis think that in the 21st century the last army of the Holy See and the last hope would be the historically hated "schismatics from Tartary"?

But didn’t the popes themselves indirectly participate in the preparation of the Ukrainian fascist army, did they not encourage the creation of sectarians of new homunculi - artificial beings with the ideology of racial and national superiority? That is why Ukrainians behave like masters in Europe, they are the favorite brainchild of the liberal sect, even if it is a disposable brainchild.

And here historical parallels come to mind. But we already went through this somewhere: in Germany in the 30s and 40s. And, I must say more, the Vatican, among other things, contributed to the fact that the remnants of this Nazi evil spirits were not finished off in a timely manner. And financially during that terrible war, the Roman curia did not suffer much. The Popes of Rome failed to play the same game for the second time - their fate in Europe and the USA is practically a foregone conclusion, regardless of whether the EU collapses or still, staggering on its feet, will stand as a battered and fading economic center.

The history of the recent adventures of the Jesuits in the steppes of Eurasia shows that it is time for Russia and its political elite to finally stop looking for a “good Europe” inside a “bad Europe” and stop being big knights of Malta than the descendants of the old families staggering before the liberal wind. They showed themselves back in the Second World War, when massively "lay down" under Nazi Germany. Our media are making truly gigantic efforts to convey something to the traditionalists of the EU, to convey through the media, which in turn are controlled by no means traditionalists. Huge resources are spent on this, but the result is natural - it is zero.

The traditionalists of the West, in fact, are already worked out material - minced meat, which must grind the sectarian cutter of the "new liberalism". And the sooner our elite realizes that all these knighting games, the struggle for the right to be accepted into the family financial houses, etc., is the pursuit of a falling monument, the better. There is no more traditional Europe - soon the last cross will be removed there, and this process cannot be stopped. It is still possible for Kazakhstan to play these Roman layouts between “good” and “bad Europe”, it can even bring some practical benefits, but for us, as a state based on Christianity, this will not work, because a liberal sectarian feels for Christianity in any of its there really is a hatred that cannot be explained by ordinary rational economic reasons. The problem is that political scientists usually do not tell us about religious reasons. They talk about gas, oil, grain, but not about that.

Apparently, we need to be guided by the preservation of the European industrial potential strictly within the framework of agreements with partners in the Eastern bloc and not a single gram more, but on the contrary, it is necessary to prepare for war again and already in full force, because the agreement with the quasi-religious new liberal without defeating the army of this liberal is not even a utopia - self-deception. And if someone has any illusions about this, then let him carefully review the footage of the adventures of the head of the Vatican in the Kazakh steppes.
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  1. +5
    26 September 2022 11: 04
    Pope in the steppes of Kazakhstan
    Always said, all the popes......just everything. request And the Vatican is the main enemy of Russia. All Drang nah osten he blessed.
    1. +4
      26 September 2022 11: 24
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And the Vatican is the main enemy of Russia.

      This is what the "west" went from.
      Yes, there used to be all sorts of Roman Empires, Byzantium.
      But THIS went from there.
      When the whole of Europe was dragged under the Vatican, and spud.
      These are the crusades and so on.
      Yes, some then got out, now rather almost all. But it is already in the culture.
    2. +4
      26 September 2022 11: 24
      Most importantly for Kazakhstan, he received a security certificate from China in words about the immutability of borders. And decent investments, which I didn’t spoil much before. In short, they are being taken away under the guise of our field of influence.
      1. -4
        26 September 2022 11: 38
        Quote: ASAD
        .In short, they are being taken away under the guise of our field of influence.

        A ram will always be taken away if you snap your beak. request
        China in words about the immutability of borders.
        China can prescribe anything. And a ram can believe, because he is a ram. And it's up to Russia.... request
  2. +9
    26 September 2022 11: 13
    Today Kazakhstan announced that it does not recognize the results of the referendum in the four eastern regions of the former Ukraine.
    What are they - for the territorial integrity and independence of Nenka ...
    Faithful ally of the CSTO!
    Zhamarychi... good
    1. -2
      26 September 2022 11: 22
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Today Kazakhstan announced that it does not recognize the results of the referendum in the four eastern regions of the former Ukraine.

      He's next for denazification. We will hold a referendum in Northern Kazakhstan. But it is not exactly.
      1. +2
        26 September 2022 11: 39
        Too late, big brother vs. We will not go against China.
      2. 0
        26 September 2022 12: 57
        Hoarfrost. First you need to deal with one thing.
    2. +5
      26 September 2022 11: 24
      Amerz owners of the Kazakh mining and oil and gas complex hold him firmly for Faberge...
    3. +3
      26 September 2022 11: 24
      Serbia also announced its non-recognition of the results of the referendum. And the Belarusian leadership said that they would think about it.
    4. +5
      26 September 2022 11: 24
      Too bad there isn't much power.
      And it would also be possible to return the lands of the Republic of Ingushetia that were slaughtered to Kazakhstan.
      1. 0
        26 September 2022 12: 13
        Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
        Too bad there isn't much power.
        And it would also be possible to return the lands of the Republic of Ingushetia that were slaughtered to Kazakhstan.

        And what to do with them? Without a population?
        also a gift to me
        1. +4
          26 September 2022 12: 23
          They don't make earth anymore.
          There will be no excess.
          1. +3
            26 September 2022 12: 55
            Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
            They don't make earth anymore.
            There will be no excess.

            So what? Spread poverty? In some regions, the population density in our country is such that it accounts for 1,5 per sq. km. km. Receiving untold riches from these lands, people do not live any richer.
          2. +1
            26 September 2022 14: 22
            Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
            They don't make earth anymore.
            There will be no excess.

            Once again, slowly, Kazakhstan does not use them now. There is not enough population, the soil is unsuitable for agriculture, there are few minerals, the climate is rubbish.
            What do you suggest we do with this land?
            1. +1
              26 September 2022 14: 42
              Keep it to yourself in case you need it.
              And there it will be seen.
              1. 0
                26 September 2022 15: 04
                Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
                Keep it to yourself in case you need it.
                And there it will be seen.

                It’s clear ... she can’t just lie there - she will have to be protected, At least additional ones - due to the lengthening of the border - by the states of border guards. Well, the police too ....
                That is, there is zero benefit, looking ahead to zero, even the population is zero, and the costs for equipping the border, for the states, for checkpoints and railway checkpoints will already be ...
                We already have a lot of such places, there will be even more demographics - but give you land ...
                1. 0
                  28 September 2022 08: 48
                  It is enough to put on the map and stick the columns, and do not move the border posts.
                  Especially since there is zero population.
                  1. +1
                    28 September 2022 16: 19
                    Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
                    It is enough to put on the map and stick the columns, and do not move the border posts.
                    Especially since there is zero population.

                    Well, that is, you do not fully control the situation. It is gratifying ...
                    Thank God that apart from you who want to grab land and do not understand why, why and what problems this entails along the lines of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB - no ....
    5. +3
      26 September 2022 11: 26
      They will send us soon, they have a stronger and much richer partner, formed.
    6. -3
      26 September 2022 11: 30
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Today Kazakhstan announced that it does not recognize the results of the referendum in the four eastern regions of the former Ukraine.

      So it is possible to reconsider the formation of "Kazakhstan". He, too, like Ukraine, was created artificially, "thank you" to grandfather Lenin! (((
      1. +5
        26 September 2022 11: 37
        We are now more than ever dependent on China, literally in everything. And we will pay special attention to the words of its leader about the immutability of the borders of Kazakhstan.
    7. +2
      26 September 2022 11: 59
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Today Kazakhstan announced that it does not recognize the results of the referendum in the four eastern regions of the former Ukraine.
      What are they - for the territorial integrity and independence of Nenka ...
      Faithful ally of the CSTO!
      Zhamarychi... good

      It's time for the Russian leadership to grow up and start looking soberly at the world around us. Russia does not and cannot have allies in the post-Soviet space. For the ideology of all post-Soviet states is anti-Sovietism and Russophobia. And it doesn't matter at all how much good or evil Russia and the USSR did to these independent republics. It is important to understand the main thing here, only anti-Sovietism and Russophobia justify the very existence of these independent republics and the ruling groups in power there.
      What should Russia do in this situation? First of all, stop paying for the independence of these republics at the expense of the Russian budget; Russia, as a state, is not interested in their independence. For example, in the same Ukraine from 2000 to 2016, the Russian leadership invested more than 200 billion dollars, and the result, as they say, is obvious. Any participation of Russia in rebellions on their territory must end either in full or in part with the entry into the territories of these independent republics into Russia.
  3. 0
    26 September 2022 11: 50
    weaken it, the Vatican, the main "feed base" and increase the potential of what the author calls the "eastern cluster", which includes Central Asia.
    request This should be understood as follows: wool is good, but the meat of a young stupid lamb is better.
  4. +2
    26 September 2022 11: 53
    Any allies are not eternal, it's just a fact. But this does not eliminate the need to take action, just not so clumsy
  5. 0
    26 September 2022 12: 26
    History repeats itself, but in the form of a farce. In 1054 there was a great schism in Christianity with the separation of the Catholics and the Pope. The Vatican has never recognized and does not recognize that the reason for the split is purely economic: the concentration of all wealth in Byzantium. Europe in the XNUMXth century they believed that in order to increase the feeder it was necessary to separate from Byzantium, cf. with the current situation with small states.
    But the result of the split was completely different. Because Europe in the XNUMXth century economically was the outskirts, then the income of the throne, on the contrary, fell. As a result, crusades began to generate income, the purpose of which was to generate income through robbery. In the future, robbery became the midwife of European civilization, and during the period of the Renaissance and subsequent development took the form of a state policy of all European states. In this sense, since the Middle Ages, Europe has existed on the basis of robbery and later, on the basis of industrial production, continued to exist also on the basis of robbery. All the wealth of Europe rests on robbery and the blood of the annihilated peoples.
    But the robbery, sooner or later, had to stop either because there was no one to rob, or because the robbers were devouring themselves, or because the robbers were beginning to be destroyed and cut off from the possibility of robbery. What is happening now: the robbers are cut off from the sources of robbery, the robbers begin to devour each other (the USA is devouring Europe). The process is natural. The immediate consequence of this process was that the Holy See began to lack the means to exist. The situation repeats with the one that existed in the XI century. But if then the holy throne, which was not yet holy, caused a split in Christianity, now, in order to replenish the treasury, it turned to the east - to Asia. But will it help the holy throne!?... Hardly. Because to rob the east, as it was earlier in history, is no longer possible. Europe, which was formerly the military guard of the Holy See during the robbery of nations, is being destroyed by another robber. And this process can only be slowed down, but cannot be stopped. And this is well understood in the Vatican. After all, it was not for nothing that they ruled Europe for a whole 10 centuries, starting from the split in 1054.
    1. 0
      26 September 2022 18: 18
      A good analogy that refers to the main issue of any policy - financial and economic. Byzantium had a very tasty location on the caravan routes. The crusades were also called upon to stake out the southern Damascus-Egypt trade route for Europe. As it is customary to say today, it is a trading corridor.
  6. +3
    26 September 2022 13: 02
    It was possible to present the material more simply, clearly and intelligibly - you get tired of reading!
  7. -1
    26 September 2022 15: 53
    Astana, which lies as much as ten thousand kilometers east of Rome

    Navigator plotted a route through Beijing?
  8. +3
    26 September 2022 16: 17
    Quote: ASAD
    Most importantly for Kazakhstan, he received a security certificate from China in words about the immutability of borders. And decent investments, which I didn’t spoil much before. In short, they are being taken away under the guise of our field of influence.

    Indeed, events are developing in such a way that Kazakhstan, with formally friendly relations, is not only actually, but also officially distancing itself from Russia. The recent statement about the non-recognition of the results of the referendums is a very clear confirmation of this. Considering how events are unfolding in the aggregate of various factors (especially the growing influence of the PRC and the position of its leadership), there are no real opportunities to prevent this.
    1. 0
      26 September 2022 16: 52
      Listen to you, on the basis of "recognition-non-recognition of the referendum", Serbia and Belarus are also leaving for China ...
      1. 0
        27 September 2022 21: 07
        And what is incomprehensible with Serbia and Belarus ?! Serbia is under strong pressure from the EU and the US, and apparently it is not enthusiastic about our "measures". Belarus, again, has its own view of events and a desire to preserve the possibility for the future of at least somewhat friendly relations with Ukraine ...
    2. +1
      26 September 2022 18: 14
      Even Serbia does not recognize referendums. Maybe Syria and Belarus, but the latter will resist to the last))
      This is, in fact, purely our internal affair, like Northern Cyprus in Turkey.
      1. +1
        27 September 2022 21: 09
        The matter may be internal, but the situation is much more conflicting and the consequences are more acute than with Cyprus ...
      2. +1
        30 September 2022 09: 05
        And Serbia will never be able to accept. Otherwise, it will have to recognize Kosovo as well.
        The same for other countries, no one recognizes.
  9. 0
    26 September 2022 21: 33
    Why are they muddying the water there. Historical books about the Mughals were handed over. Kazakhs want to enlighten. Maybe catalicism will appear in Kazakhstan.
    1. +1
      26 September 2022 23: 40
      Well, there are Catholics in Kazakhstan, but in Afghanistan his visit would be a bomb - there is a flock of as many as 100 people)
  10. +1
    26 September 2022 22: 21
    Appeared for example in the Murmansk region, it would be a sensation.
  11. 0
    28 September 2022 07: 33
    Actually, we forget that the Vatican is also the strongest intelligence in the world! In fact, the Mossad and the CIA combined. Yes, and the Vatican Bank (the Institute of Religious Affairs, sounds meaningful!) This is also worse than the Swiss, I think that its branch can also!
    1. 0
      28 September 2022 14: 20
      We often forget that the aristocracy in the EU is represented not only and not so much by money, but by land. I will not even give examples of a number of states-principalities, where all the land is simply the private property of one family. There are many such examples in Spain (genus Alba), Great Britain, Austria, Italy. This is not only finance, but also a kind of land bank. And today there is a raider seizure of assets "on the ground" for the time being, but a little later we will observe the second act - the raiding of the landed assets of the aristocracy. What the Robespierites did not complete, the liberal sectarians will complete. So not only the Vatican Bank, there is also land.
  12. 0
    2 October 2022 11: 47
    Quote: WFP-1
    Quote: ASAD
    Most importantly for Kazakhstan, he received a security certificate from China in words about the immutability of borders. And decent investments, which I didn’t spoil much before. In short, they are being taken away under the guise of our field of influence.

    Indeed, events are developing in such a way that Kazakhstan, with formally friendly relations, is not only actually, but also officially distancing itself from Russia. The recent statement about the non-recognition of the results of the referendums is a very clear confirmation of this. Considering how events are unfolding in the aggregate of various factors (especially the growing influence of the PRC and the position of its leadership), there are no real opportunities to prevent this.

    China has set its sights on Taiwan and will also need recognition of its ambitions by the international community. There is a reason for bargaining. Thus, China and its zone of influence (Kazakhstan, etc.) are gradually recognizing everything that we need. China also has a difficult position, around the country from the US orbit.

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