American Aircraft for Ukraine: Desires and Unresolved Problems

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American Aircraft for Ukraine: Desires and Unresolved Problems
Fighter F-16 from the US Air Force


Having suffered heavy losses, Ukraine is trying to restore its combat Aviation. In this case, she has to rely on foreign assistance, but not all foreign partners are ready to provide the desired samples and products. So, for several months, the Kyiv regime has been trying to beg for American-made combat aircraft - and so far has not succeeded in this matter. Despite all the statements and promises, the supply of equipment has not begun and is not even expected.



Desires and reality


The Kyiv regime began to ask for foreign aviation equipment already in February-March, almost immediately after the start of its forced demilitarization. Its various representatives spoke about the need to supply certain combat aircraft, both Soviet and NATO models.

In particular, a desire was expressed to obtain American F-15 and F-16 fighters. It was argued that the Ukrainian army has experienced pilots who could master such equipment in just a few weeks and start serving. However, such requests remained unanswered. Moreover, foreign experts rightly noted that the training of pilots and infrastructure for foreign technology will require much more time and effort.


A-10 attack aircraft

Also in the spring there were rumors about sending Ukrainian cadet pilots to the United States or other foreign countries for retraining and training on new technology. However, this information was not subsequently confirmed.

Moreover, real events have refuted it. So, in June, in the draft US military budget for FY2023. made an amendment on the allocation of funding for the retraining of Ukrainian pilots. If adopted, the process of retraining of personnel could begin after October 1, 2022. Accordingly, no measures were taken before this date.

To date, foreign countries have managed to transfer to Ukraine several dozen obsolete Soviet-made aircraft, not always in good condition. Deliveries of NATO equipment have not yet begun and are probably not even planned at the moment. This option of military-technical assistance is stuck at the stage of negotiations and is not moving forward.

Stormtroopers not received


In the context of assistance to Ukraine, the American A-10C attack aircraft was mentioned several times. For several years, there have been disputes in the United States about the need to remove such equipment from service. This year, in this context, a new proposal appeared: if the Air Force starts to write off such equipment, then it should be transferred to the Ukrainian army. However, this idea has not yet received official approval, and its prospects are questionable.


So, in March, US Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall said that there were no plans to transfer the A-10C to the Ukrainian side. There is not even a discussion of such deliveries. After this, statements about attack aircraft were forgotten for a while.

However, in mid-July, the minister was again asked about the possibility of transferring decommissioned aircraft. This time, F. Kendall spoke differently. He noted that the American side is ready to discuss the supply of equipment, incl. decommissioned attack aircraft. Everything depends on the needs and wishes of the Kyiv regime. At the same time, no real negotiations on the A-10C were reported.

Around the same time, the Kyiv regime boasted that it had begun self-training pilots for the A-10C. However, the training was carried out not on simulators with special software, but with the help of ordinary personal computers and a popular flight simulator. The effectiveness of such "training" is questionable.

Secret negotiations


Another "dream" of the Ukrainian army is the American F-16 fighter. The need for such equipment was regularly mentioned by various persons, but it has not yet been possible to obtain aircraft - or at least guarantees of their delivery. At the same time, in recent weeks, such fighters have practically not been remembered. The American publication Politico managed to find out why this happened.


On September 16, Politico reported that Ukraine continues to show interest in F-16 aircraft, drones MQ-1C and Patriot air defense systems, and some efforts are being made to get them as soon as possible. Now, however, the Kiev regime is trying not to talk about such desires openly. From high-profile statements moved to quiet behind-the-scenes negotiations.

From its sources, Politico learned that advisers to the Ukrainian president and their partners in Washington, including those close to the US president, have developed a new strategy. In particular, the Ukrainian leadership is advised to focus on the current needs of their armed forces, as well as refrain from loud statements and announcements.

Such an organizational approach does not interfere with the receipt of military-technical assistance, but reduces possible risks. In particular, the American side, wanting to help an ally, does not want to provoke Moscow once again. Loud statements at the stage of negotiations or preparation of a deal can lead to certain negative consequences.


Objective difficulties


Thus, by now, a specific situation has developed. Ukraine demands to provide it with American or other foreign combat aircraft as soon as possible. Its main ally, the United States, is considering the possibility of providing such assistance, but is in no hurry. Discussions and negotiations have been going on for several months, and it is not clear how long they will continue and where they will lead.

The only real measure at the moment is a Congressional proposal to train Ukrainian pilots. However, this amendment has yet to be included in the final version of the military budget. In addition, training will be able to start only at the beginning of next year, and the preparation of a sufficient number of flight personnel will take a lot of time.

There are other objective limitations as well. So, for the full operation of the new equipment of the Ukrainian army, a certain foreign-style infrastructure will be needed. Its creation and maintenance in the current conditions is, at least, an extremely difficult task. At the same time, the built and deployed stationary facilities, as well as new aircraft, will be subject to a constant risk of destruction.

Politico notes organizational difficulties. F-16 planes and other military equipment are wanted not only by Ukraine, but also by NATO countries. At the same time, the production of such products is faced with problems of logistics and supply of components. For example, in 2023, the United States planned to transfer 14 F-16 fighters to the Slovak Air Force. But due to current difficulties, the delivery has been postponed to 2024. The same is probably waiting for a number of other contracts.


Under such conditions, it will be quite difficult to find "free" fighters or other weapons to transfer to the Kyiv regime. The US could change the schedule of deliveries and the order of recipient countries, but this will lead to political problems. It is unlikely that the states that have lost their place in the queue will be satisfied and retain their loyalty to Ukraine.

Uncertain Future


Recent months have shown that the United States and its NATO allies are willing and able to provide Ukraine with military-technical assistance. At the same time, they are ready to send far from the entire range of existing weapons and equipment. This is especially evident in the field of combat aviation. The Kyiv regime received a number of Soviet-style planes and helicopters from Eastern Europe. At the same time, the supply of NATO / American equipment is at least postponed indefinitely.

It turned out that there are significant difficulties and problems in the field of combat aircraft. Some of them cannot be overcome in a few months, while others cannot be solved in principle in the current situation. In addition, the United States takes into account its military, political and economic interests, and is not going to help Ukraine to the detriment of itself or its closest allies.

How it is planned to get out of this situation is unclear. However, the preliminary results are already clear - over the past seven months, the Kyiv regime has not received the desired A-10C attack aircraft, F-16 fighters or heavy UAVs. Moreover, he was not even promised to supply such equipment or other complex and necessary weapons. Whether this situation will change in the future is a big question.
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  1. +8
    21 September 2022 16: 14
    If the SVO drags on for an indefinite period, Ukraine will be given everything - both tanks and planes. We need to decide quickly. The same Strelkov spoke about this (and about the need for partial mobilization) back in March - no one listened, they brushed it off.
  2. +3
    21 September 2022 16: 14
    Whether they will be able to supply NATO aircraft to Ukraine or not, it now depends more on the Russian Army ...
    1. 0
      21 September 2022 16: 30
      That's right! So it's time to start in an adult way!
  3. +3
    21 September 2022 16: 16
    Well, the situation is clear as daylight. In fact, Ukraine can receive overseas aviation only together with NATO pilots as a set, and it is also desirable to keep it not on the territory of the country, but, say, in Poland. But such an option would be indistinguishable from NATO's direct intervention in the war.
    1. +1
      21 September 2022 16: 18
      If Ukrainian aviation operates from the territory of Poland, the latter will automatically become a participant in hostilities and paragraph 5 of the NATO Charter will not apply to it.
      1. 0
        21 September 2022 18: 33
        Quote from invisible_man
        If Ukrainian aviation operates from the territory of Poland, the latter will automatically become a participant in hostilities and paragraph 5 of the NATO Charter will not apply to it.

        Formally, nothing will oblige NATO to fit in with the psheks. But at the same time, nothing will prevent, well, let's say, the same petty Britain, or some other heavyweight NATO country, to fit in on its own initiative.
    2. +1
      21 September 2022 16: 34
      There are pilots on the ground. After retraining, they will be able to master the same F16. It all depends on us. How quickly we bring the stubborn to hell
    3. 0
      21 September 2022 19: 07
      Quote from Pharmacist
      But such an option will no longer be indistinguishable from NATO's direct intervention in the war.

      So what? Did you hear anything about Kozhedub's activities in the early 50s? What about the American Volunteer Group?

      In Poland, keeping aviation or in Ukraine is a master's business. If the planes are with tridents, not stars, then Ukraine is preferable.

      If, of course, there are planes at all.
  4. +2
    21 September 2022 16: 32
    Moreover, foreign experts rightly noted that the training of pilots and infrastructure for foreign technology will require much more time and effort.
    . It's not even probable, it's OBVIOUS!
    Waste and not small, who needs them?
    1. +1
      21 September 2022 17: 56
      Of course not.
      It's easier for a Canadian, let's say, a pilot, to be given a Ukrainian passport and accepted for service under a contract.
      Everything, formalities are observed.
      1. +2
        21 September 2022 20: 18
        Quote: KVIRTU
        It's easier for a Canadian, let's say, a pilot, to be given a Ukrainian passport and accepted for service under a contract.

        And, the matter remains small - to find those who wish among these same Canadian pilots, by the way, they somehow stopped mentioning about Afghan pilots, apparently realizing all the futility.
        1. +2
          21 September 2022 20: 39
          By the way, yes, pilots, this is also a problem, but it’s easier to solve than everyone else ... but again, the time frame is not small, not a couple, three weeks, as some say there ... even at the take-off and landing level , much more time will be required.
        2. 0
          22 September 2022 21: 04
          The passport of the citizen of Canada meant.
          And they will find retired pilots for the corresponding salary.
          Now it’s not necessary to argue, but to strengthen the ZRV, fighter aviation.
      2. +1
        21 September 2022 20: 35
        And the infrastructure of support and everything necessary is teleported from Canada by magic??? So what?
        1. 0
          22 September 2022 20: 45
          No, not so.
          Poland has had all this for a long time, in Ukraine it’s just jump airfields, as if you don’t understand.
          1. +1
            22 September 2022 21: 15
            This option was discussed, doubted, but ... the further into the forest, the ... and what is going on in the forest, what else can happen ... it used to be "strange" everything, but now it can go into the SCARY category!
            1. 0
              24 September 2022 00: 57
              I am close to this topic.
              Jump airfield, but not necessarily a strip, a suitable section of the route.
              A convoy leaves Poland for this place, everything is on the autochassis: course glide path system, short-range, long-range drive, lighting equipment, kung for the rp group, communications ...
              All this is worked out in the exercises.
              Those. 5-7 sorties did so, and to the main airfield for maintenance.
    2. 0
      21 September 2022 18: 00
      It's the same with those mercenaries who were about to be executed.
      The journalists were spinning.
      Then it turned out that they had Ukrainian citizenship for a long time, they serve officially under a contract.
      Made out, all in all.
      1. 0
        22 September 2022 21: 20
        There is no deep meaning in this case ... no matter how they try to pull it.
        Ours were returned, this is understandable, right ...
        They gave away the final non-humans ... this cannot be explained.
        The question is... what will change now??? Yes, nothing, perhaps, neither in principle nor in particular.
        1. 0
          24 September 2022 00: 42
          Yes, you are right, nothing in the military sense.
          For mothers, wives, there will be hope...
          Well, honestly, they got tired of scaring the women with some kind of hysterical mobilization ...
          For half a year the snot was smeared, but here it’s just impatient ...
          I know from my friends, they informed me at work at 15, at 5 tomorrow I will leave.
          How to collect a first aid kit, buy thermal underwear and so on. What's the attitude?
  5. 0
    21 September 2022 16: 50
    Ukraine is entirely a project of the United States, fulfills directives, "asks for help" to avert eyes.
    What they bring, they will drive in this territory.
    They want to test Skyborg, they think it's time to check the emulation results. Under this, the Polish bases were updated. In this context, the presence of any villager inside the flying ship is not important.
  6. +2
    21 September 2022 16: 52
    a "warthog" with one gun (even such a classy one) is useless, and a "maverick" is unlikely to be given
    1. +1
      21 September 2022 19: 02
      Quote: novel xnumx
      maverick" is unlikely to be given

      Helfire, Harpoon and AIM-88 have already been given, why is Maverick so special?
      1. +2
        21 September 2022 19: 33
        three times the range compared to hellfire
        1. -2
          21 September 2022 19: 39
          Quote: novel xnumx
          three times the range compared to hellfire

          What about a harpoon?
          1. +2
            21 September 2022 19: 52
            what about the harpoon? different dioceses, but arriving in a tank from 25 km is not very good
            1. -2
              22 September 2022 11: 00
              Quote: novel xnumx
              what about the harpoon?

              If they officially give 300-kilometer rockets, then with what fright will they squeeze 30-kilometer ones?
              1. +2
                22 September 2022 11: 28
                we talk a little about different things, anti-ship missiles such as harpoons and we have even better ones, but like a maverick, "let it go and forget it" is not a damn thing, everything that is more secret Ukrainians will get hell
                1. -3
                  22 September 2022 11: 47
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  such as harpoons and even better we have,

                  Such as a harpoon warhead is not even put on aircraft in the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  what the hell Ukrainians will get more secret

                  Well, there is a 100500th cunning plan for victory. It remains to persuade the Americans.
    2. +1
      22 September 2022 02: 46
      Decommissioned A-10 for kamikaze will roll.
  7. 0
    22 September 2022 02: 45
    Finally, it is written that the operation of foreign aircraft requires not mythical skills to manage it, but purely operational things. Airfield infrastructure, in the end, just good clean lanes, and the ability to maintain equipment in working condition. And a normal pilot will start flying very quickly. And you can fly well on a foreign plane exactly after the same time as on your own. If not faster.
  8. -3
    22 September 2022 12: 09
    Kirilovism is senseless and merciless...
  9. -1
    12 November 2022 09: 51
    The corrupt Kremlin creatures are draining Mother Russia to Western "partners" at the expense of thieves and traitors - Russian oligarchs! What is this blah blah blah with endless complaints about Western "partners"? You sell them oil, gas and strategic raw materials, for the transit of oil and gas ukroreich receives dollars! And all this is used to supply weapons to the Ukrainian Reich from Western "partners" for the war against Russia! Yes, during the Second World War, for such a three-minute execution, it would have been shot as a betrayal and sabotage in wartime. And only plaintive whining from the Russian leadership! Russia is always the West hated, but knowing the power of the "Russian" bear was afraid! And this clowning with thousands of victims of the color of the Russian gene pool called SVO showed everyone that Russia has a strong army only in parades! ", which will not really be used for their intended purpose - NEVER!

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