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Referendum in the South of Ukraine: Stupidity or Necessity?

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Referendum in the South of Ukraine: Stupidity or Necessity?

Today, many observers have begun to think and speak on the topic of appeals of the public chambers of Luhansk (LNR), Donetsk (DNR) and Kherson regions to the leadership on the appointment of referendums, the main issue of which will be joining Russia.


The comments are, let's say, ambiguous. From “They have nothing to do” to “What, Belgorod is no longer Russia?” and everything like that.

Snide statements based on attacks on the shelling of settlements in the Kursk and Belgorod regions and the desire of the three former regions of Ukraine to join Russia are really different things.

I managed to quickly contact people who still live, work and fight in the LPR and DPR. In different positions and in different ranks, but it is best to look through the eyes from there. To better understand the situation.

Everyone there is well aware that in the case of joining Russia as subjects of the Federation, Donetsk and other cities will not fly less. And DRG from the Ukrainian side will not stop penetrating. And the war will not stop in one hour.

Everything will remain as before, with one small exception: there is some chance that these territories will not be abandoned, like the Kharkov region, where Ukraine is now carrying out total cleansing of everyone who even a little sympathized with Russia.

Considering that the LPR and DPR have nothing to rely on in this regard, in fact, genocide will begin there. But for some reason, no one is delighted with such a fate there. And the latest "successes" of the Russian army indicate that the likelihood of such an alignment exists.

The situation is really difficult, and Kherson is well aware of this. Therefore, they really want to jump on the train, which seems to be still standing at the platform, but can take off without an announcement. People want to feel, if not safe, then at least be sure that Russia has really come forever, and not like in the Kharkov region.

In the LPR and DPR, the alignment is somewhat different. In general, so many people there already have Russian passports that, in fact, Russia is already there. But legally no. Of the more than two dozen people with whom I communicate, three do not have Russian citizenship, but given that they are generally people of difficult fate, it’s good that at least they gave me a local one.

So Russian passports, Russian numbers and diplomas are secondary. This is so secondary that talking about it is as ridiculous as counting on the fact that Ukraine will not shell Russian territory. It is clear what will happen. Even stronger than before, because earlier they seemed to be shooting at their own territory, captured by the separatists, and now it will be the territory of Russia. So everyone there, behind the "ribbon" is well aware that as it flew, it will continue to fly.

Ready for it.

And first of all, the transformation of the territory of the LPR and DPR into the regions of the Russian Federation. Or republics. At the same time, there is no one demanding protection and defense. Managed for eight years. Not without help, yes, but managed.

What today? It's simple: the supply is like that of Russian units. Not MT-12 "Rapier", but at least "Msta-B". Not the T-62 from the master's shoulder (whoever said that the T-62 is a chic tank - so let it go and fight on it), but at least the T-72B. And the supply of ammunition is human, and not like the beggars are served.

That's what Lugansk and Donetsk need. And as soon as the divisions of the republics become part of the Russian army, normal training and military leadership. This, of course, looks a little fantastic, but it is not harmful to dream even in Donetsk.

So, in reality, the goals of Kherson and Lugansk and Donetsk are different. The former need full-fledged protection, since the inhabitants of the Kherson region do not have such experience as the Luhansk and Donetsk republics. And they need not so much a fish as a fishing rod. More precisely, weapon, and they will be able to apply it there for their intended purpose. Checked.

In Kherson, the situation is different. It's scary there. There were no shots fired for eight long years, where people lived quite calmly. And now, when examples from the Kharkiv region pass before our eyes, and the Ukrainian media quite colorfully show how accomplices and traitors are treated in the former occupied territories, in the Kherson region for some reason they don’t really want such a development of events.

In fact, there are few ways. The first one is to stay on the ground and count on the mercy of the winners in the event of the return of Ukraine. The second is the flight to the republics or Russia. But in Russia, let's put it this way, no one is really needed. Moreover, another wave of people who have lost everything. The third is the Donbass path of development, that is, protecting one's own with all possible forces.

The whole point is that the residents of the Kherson region have practically no chance. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine are no longer the same as in 2014, and there is no such experience as the neighbors. Therefore, it remains only to rely on the Russian army. And feverishly work out any means of protection, including this referendum.

Oddly enough, it is more needed by the residents themselves, primarily in the Kherson region. They should get something like confirmation that they will not be abandoned, like Kharkovites. Therefore, in order to stop the fermentation in the minds of Kherson residents, the right to a referendum should be recognized, as well as its results, whatever they may be.

As for the DPR and LPR, my opinion here is the same as eight years ago: stop fooling people. I still cannot understand what is the meaning of eight years of soaking in hell, distribution of passports, recognition of the republics. Accept into the Federation and give the republics everything necessary for the normal defense of their borders. Not drop by drop, but buckets! And normal advisers, and not what was there until recently.

Actually, there are no options here. Because the Kherson region is a shield in front of the Crimea, and if things go according to the Kharkov or Sumy scenarios there, then all that remains is to dig trenches on the Crimean Isthmus and build bomb shelters in Crimean cities. So-so prospect, given that the readiness of the Crimean population for such changes is comparable to the capabilities of the inhabitants of the Kherson region. They have no readiness, waving flags is one thing, but sitting in the trenches is completely different.

That is, two areas will have to be defended. This is a normal development of events, considering that something went wrong with the offensive. And the fact that the LPR and DPR are able to protect themselves is a huge help.

It is clear that holding a referendum is not so easy. It is better to minimize the crowds of people at the polling stations and try to conduct voting remotely. This, of course, is more difficult than in Russia, but there is already some experience.
How much will this spur military action? In principle, the admission of republics and regions into the Russian Federation can turn the NMD into a conventional war with all the consequences that come from this, although there are more than enough reasons for war anyway.

Another issue (I have already raised this topic) is the division of Ukraine. Rumors have been circulating in certain circles for quite a long time that as soon as the process of rejection of the south of Ukraine begins, similar events may also begin in the west, initiated by Romania, Poland and Hungary, which have their own territorial considerations.

And all three countries have already been seen in certain encroachments. Poland is very actively erasing the borders, "uniting" the two peoples, moreover, the Ukrainian side actively helps in this already at the legislative level.

In Romania, the former Minister of Foreign Affairs Andriy Marga spoke very frankly in such a way that he voiced his claims to Ukrainian lands. In Hungary, too, they are not sitting idly by, as evidenced by information from a closed meeting with Prime Minister Orban.

There are more and more people who want to cut off a piece from Ukraine, but we are primarily concerned about our own problems related to the LPR, DPR, Kherson and, in a good way, Zaporozhye region.

We are waiting for reports on the holding of referendums and their results. With hope for the future.
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  1. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 22 September 2022 06: 00
    -4
    Poland is very actively erasing the borders, "uniting" the two peoples, and the Ukrainian side is actively helping in this already at the legislative level.
    I will only note that Poland wants to annex Ukraine, or rather, part of it. But it may turn out the other way around: the Poles will unite with western Ukraine, and join it from a military point of view. Then we will have to demilitarize, including former Poland (now Western Ukraine).
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 22 September 2022 06: 35
      +25
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      the Poles will unite with western Ukraine, and will merge into its composition from a military point of view.

      I definitely don’t understand why they don’t drive the economy of the western coals into dust, at least to the detriment of Poland, since the hands are short to pick up? There are enough ranges, air defense is still permeable.
      More precisely, I understand, but I will not write here ...
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 22 September 2022 11: 31
        -8
        Because in this case we will be no different from those against whom we are fighting. And if Poland takes Galicia, from where all the infection crawled, everyone will be happy. And the Poles, who will return their eastern lands. And Ukrainian Westerners, who will finally join their longed-for Europe. And Russia and Novorossia, who will finally get rid of this Bandera viper.

        That's why it's not necessary to dust. And they won't take it.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 22 September 2022 11: 35
          +6
          Quote: Pavel73
          Because in this case we will be no different from those against whom we are fighting.

          Power plants and playgrounds and shops are completely different purposes.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 22 September 2022 11: 46
            0
            In any case, the ideal option if Poland takes Galicia. And then recovery will gradually come to the rest of Ukraine. And if it is turned into ruins, it will not be taken away. So it will poison the already sick organism with toxins.
    2. Illanatol
      Illanatol 26 September 2022 13: 26
      0
      Rare nonsense. Poland surpasses Western Ukraine in all respects.
      It is as if France were to become part of Algeria.
  2. Asad
    Asad 22 September 2022 06: 01
    +14
    The issue with the referendum is resolved so there is not much to discuss. It is necessary to release, and it is desirable not to retreat any more. Thanks to mobilization, I hope it will become easier for our troops.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 September 2022 06: 33
      +21
      Quote: ASAD
      Thanks to mobilization, I hope it will become easier for our troops.

      And what about the traitors in the headquarters, liberating the Nazis and mercenaries? At night they released Kalina, Volyn, Radis, and captured foreign mercenaries sentenced to death in the DPR. And also more than a hundred Azov people.
      Such actions of the authorities neutralize "easier".
      1. Frost
        Frost 22 September 2022 06: 38
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        At night they released Kalina, Volyn, Radis, and captured foreign mercenaries sentenced to death in the DPR. And also more than a hundred Azov people.

        They were exchanged for 85 prisoners of war from Russia and for Medvedchuk himself. Kalina, Volyn, Radish were interned in Turkey.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 September 2022 06: 58
          +9
          The fact itself is important for people who are to participate in the referendum. As well as people who are already receiving summonses today.
          These characters should have been hung publicly, not changed. Especially in this ratio.
          1. Shark Lover
            Shark Lover 22 September 2022 07: 29
            +14
            Nearby, on the next branch, the guy wrote correctly. A message to the front of the guys, do not take prisoner, no more. It turns out that he captured the top, they are immediately considered goods. Yes, ours were released, which is good, but the media blew it. How much was about the execution, Nurberg and so on, in fact, they got scared, rushed under the screams of a drug addict? Worse, if again some kind of gesheft got scum from hucksters and officials.
        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 07: 26
          -14
          Wow... why do you write like that in Ukraine?
        3. Negro
          Negro 22 September 2022 08: 51
          0
          Quote: Hoarfrost
          Kalina, Volyn, Radish were interned in Turkey.

          )))
          Take an interest in the fate of interned American pilots in WWII.

          On the other hand, some write that Zelensky does not need extra heroes, he is a hero himself. So it’s not a fact that they will be pulled out of Turkey. Let them rest, they deserve it.
        4. Zefr
          Zefr 22 September 2022 10: 57
          +11
          In Ukraine, this exchange is a victory.
          What can you say about our side? What impact did this exchange have on trust in the authorities? Like rats, quietly released criminals. And not the first time, by the way. So it's not even a bug.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 22 September 2022 13: 48
            -1
            And not once, not twice, not three. To be honest, I lost count.
          2. Eliminator
            Eliminator 23 September 2022 04: 18
            +2
            If one of your relatives was in captivity and he would be released in exchange for some (known only from the media) personalities, I am sure that you would be glad of what happened. I doubt that you would prefer the torment and death of a loved one in exchange for the exemplary execution of the enemy. Or would you prefer?
            1. Zefr
              Zefr 23 September 2022 08: 35
              0
              Cheap demagogy
              There, people, in general, do not play war games. There is death
              And this death is nullified by such an exchange
      2. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 07: 27
        -9
        Of course, Zelensky’s office will not let you lie ...
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 22 September 2022 07: 34
      +6
      Where are the 700 conscripts? What were they called for anyway? To be honest, it's nonsense to mobilize civilians when 80% of the army is sitting in the barracks.
      1. Marine63
        Marine63 22 September 2022 08: 21
        +8
        I don’t know where you got such figures from, but according to open sources it is known that the number of soldiers serving in the Russian Armed Forces is about 225 thousand people. Accordingly, we must not forget that in addition to the Ukrainian Front, we have the northern, Caucasian, Asian and Far Eastern directions that need to be covered.
      2. ANB
        ANB 22 September 2022 11: 24
        +2
        . What were they called for anyway? Nonsense to be honest, mobilize civilians

        Conduct military training. And from the called-up reservist, there is much more sense than from the green conscript.
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 25 September 2022 23: 21
          -1
          ANB (Andrey Belousov). September 22, 2022 11:24 am. NEWY - .

          . igorka357 (Igor). 22 September 2022 07:34. NEW - "... Why were they called for at all? Nonsense, to be honest, to mobilize civilians"

          "Conduct military training. And from the called-up reservist, there is much more sense than from the green conscript. [/ b "]

          [b]Thank you. that they answered "Igorka357 (Igor). September 22, 2022 07:34. NEW
          ."
          Looks like the one who asked. or did not serve .. or not aware of "a couple of trifles" -
          1. Now 1-year service.
          Came - 1 month-KMB. then they either cook in part or study - an average of 3 months. Total already - 4 months - and head a general idea of ​​the army and the military profession. It. like nand production after high school - came. and there - "forget it. what they taught THERE (university). and now we will teach what in life (in \ h .. specialty in higher education and how it is in reality the service and performance of the task with introductory life"!"
          By the year of military service. something begins to "take shape" according to the principle - "know. be able and learn to apply" crying . Pabout good. further .. after training, he controls his "replacement" and transfers his experience and skills on the existing equipment (weapons and military equipment) who has already begun to prepare a demobilization album.
          2. So-called. "civilians". these are not "green" koekakers at their core, but adult men who served and often went through Chechnya. soldier Yes. of course, we need a good "shake-up" with a reminder for the ORP with "retraining" for the VUS and smoothing the department. platoon. company. . as in preparation for shipment to Afghanistan. good
          R.S. By normal. PERMANENT mob work with RESERVE is needed, including in production. How not "funny" see the experience of Switzerland crying . Yes, and work with conscripts for OFP and VUS . WHERE'S SHE. Chernomyrdin involuntarily recalls - "it was not. it was not and SUDDENLY again!".
          There are also mob tasks and mob power. Yes, and in production .. somehow with better security. and then on the territory of some. many guest and migrant offices. .
          You can scold, Father Kraintsev. tribalts. pshekov and others. But. their work with youth and the reserve is carried out constantly and purposefully. as per OOP. VUSam. as well as ideological. Гde shooting clubs. to get a "culture of handling weapons." and then the boys. not even slingshots. Nurses teach "diplomacy" and then look for MEN, belay sad
          And we have that "crashe" - "... I WANTED TO VOLUNTEER IN THE DONBASS AND BECAME A OUTRAGE: THE STUDENT OF THE JOURNALISM FACILITY OF MSU HAVE HIS - https://tsargrad.tv/news/zahotel-dobrovolcem-v-donbass-i-stal-izgoem-studenta-zhurfaka-mgu-zatravili-svoi-zhe_631975
          A student of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University Stepan Antropov, who has gathered as a volunteer in the Donbass, is being hounded by his liberal classmates. At the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University, a third-year student was hunted down, who openly declared his patriotic position. In the faculty group, a young man showed a photo in the walls of the university. The student held the flag of Russia in his hands, and he himself was dressed in a T-shirt with the letter Z.
          Judging by the comments that unfolded under the post, this caused hatred from classmates. The girls especially tried - they began to insult Antropov with their last words, and some even wished him death.
          ....why "future engineers of human souls" they poison a classmate who volunteers for the Donbass and "dares" to speak out openly in support of his country...."
          Something like this. ... hi
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 22 September 2022 09: 43
      -3
      Quote: ASAD
      The issue with the referendum has been resolved ... Thanks to mobilization, I hope it will become easier for our troops.

      Medvedev is the organizer of referendums. The goal is to completely, directly (not like now - the provision of military assistance by a limited contingent) to draw Russia into a conflict with the West and the defeat of Russia. Putin's answer-partial mobilization-can't wait!
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 22 September 2022 12: 24
        +5
        It is groundless to consider countries wishing to tear off a piece from Ukraine. Referring to the publications of urban lunatics about this is a so-so occupation. I, like the author of the article, are more concerned with the question - what's next? I agree that if we continue to fight as before, then the prospects for the "new Russians" are vague, and it may even be worse, because the favorite of the Western public will certainly have a desire to throw out a trick like Kharkov. I think that the only salvation for Russia and the population of the southern regions is the transfer of war to a new quality. Some attempts were made in the form of strikes on energy facilities in Kharkov and Zaporizhia - this is good, but not enough. It is necessary to turn life in Ukraine into hell - that is, to cause unacceptable damage to the infrastructure. Unlike many, I see the value in drawing symbolic blows. Imagine there is a meeting of the Rada and suddenly a rocket breaks through the dome: no one in the West will like this. The symbolic bombing of Hiroshima, among other things, led to the rapid surrender of Japan. So that all their forces were thrown at the aftermath, and not at encroachments. This refers to attacks on bridges, train stations, power plants, border crossings, if somewhere the explosive touched Poland, sorry. Whether the RF Armed Forces have the necessary resource base for this, I don't know. But I don't see any other way to protect the population.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 22 September 2022 06: 04
    -1
    accession to Russia.
    The people may be "FOR" .... But Zelya and the West are very against! And it will have to be "FOR" to defend.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 22 September 2022 06: 32
      +5
      Yes, make a referendum in Europe and America already.
      join as a region to Russia and the job is done.
      1. Negro
        Negro 22 September 2022 09: 06
        0
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        Yes, make a referendum in Europe and America already.

        By the Internet. Although in America, it seems, it is still customary to drop ballots by trucks.
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 22 September 2022 13: 10
        -1
        And what for us America and even more so Europe? Deal with this eight-gender audience later. Try to re-educate a pederast! Although work in the fresh air in the expanses of Siberia contributes to the appearance of healthy thoughts about the upcoming dinner instead of thinking about the features of the anus of his bearded wife, but this is not enough - everything is very neglected.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 22 September 2022 07: 21
      +9
      Vladimir Vladimirovich hi, for example, it surprises me that somehow ours do not remember the annexation of Kosovo. Was there a referendum? recourse Or did Matti Ahtisaare "solve" the "problem" of Kosovo with one stroke? For which they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize. Staff officials said that this could not be a precedent in the future. And why, exactly?
      Probably, it still can, if everyone is so mad .. Maybe then ours will remind about Kosovo
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 07: 25
        -2
        It's so uncomfortable to remember ... so they don't remember. "It's different"
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 September 2022 07: 51
          +4
          The Kosovars settled near the border they fled from Albania in search of a better life. Broz Tito allowed it, because he thought that later the territory of Albania, following the population, would be pulled over, annexed. It turned out the other way around
          a coat was sewn to the button.

          Novorossia has always been Russia. I read that after the Revolution, they wanted to "attribute" much more territories to Ukraine. So that the Russian proletariat would change the Selyuk proprietary mentality. However, people were against it. As a result, they limited themselves to Donbass.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 22 September 2022 09: 34
            +1
            In fairness, long before Tito, Albanians made up a significant part of the inhabitants of Kosovo. At the beginning of the 20th century, it seems, more than half.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 22 September 2022 08: 22
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        on the accession of Kosovo

        Hello Dima ! hi They remember sometimes. But now other things are more important.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 September 2022 08: 51
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          .... Remember, sometimes. But now other things are more important.

          Separation of Kosovo and today's events just have in common .... we'll see. Still all the strife ahead hi
      3. Negro
        Negro 22 September 2022 09: 09
        +3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        it is surprising that somehow ours do not remember the annexation of Kosovo

        You see, dear reptilian. The trouble is that no one annexed Kosovo, on the contrary, it was detached. LDNR just tried to appeal to the Kosovo option (it didn’t work), but you can’t drag the current creativity there.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 22 September 2022 09: 15
          +7
          Well, well - you can recall the precedent with the GDR. No one even thought of holding referendums there, they just squandered it.
          1. Negro
            Negro 22 September 2022 09: 31
            -1
            You see, the precedent of the GDR is different in that no one loudly objected to the reunification of Germany (although the French and the British were drinking from old memory, but they were chatted).

            But there are a hell of a lot of people who object to Crimea. It's ridiculous to talk about new geographical ideas.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 22 September 2022 09: 46
              +2
              Well, he objects - so what? What is it to us?
              1. Negro
                Negro 22 September 2022 10: 13
                -1
                Quote: paul3390
                What is it to us?

                Well, as if the Crimea, modeled on the GDR, could not be dragged through. Because the Crimean and GDR options are very different.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 22 September 2022 10: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Negro
                  Well, as if Crimea could not be dragged along the model of the GDR

                  And us - the army yes

                  Quote: Song
                  Crimea sailed away from SyShyA,
                  What a shame (s)

                  Ukroamerican laughing
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 22 September 2022 09: 46
              0
              Quote: Negro
              .... no one loudly objected to the reunification of Germany .....

              I was small at the time. But reading, it turns out that neither Europe nor the United States needed a big strong Germany then.
              1. Negro
                Negro 22 September 2022 09: 57
                -1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                But reading, it turns out that neither Europe nor the United States needed a big strong Germany then.

                The United States is on the drum, but the French and British began to have phantom pains. Moreover, the late grandmother, for example, personally extinguished German bombs.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 22 September 2022 10: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Negro
                  ..... USA on the drum, ....

                  In my opinion, it was the United States that then began to promote Yeltsin, and the hunchbacked one fell out of the race
                  1. Negro
                    Negro 22 September 2022 10: 49
                    +4
                    It's very funny, but Bush then crap himself and tried to save the indestructible. There, they were seriously afraid that the former brothers would start launching nuclear batons at each other.
                    Almost got it.

                    On the other hand, after 30 years, the issue of loaves is back on the agenda.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 22 September 2022 11: 25
                      0
                      Maybe
                      Quote: Negro
                      .... they were seriously afraid that the former brothers would start launching nuclear batons at each other ......

                      Were you afraid that they would launch outside? Or sell to those who wish at a low price as soon as possible?
                      1. Negro
                        Negro 22 September 2022 11: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Were you afraid that they would launch outside? Or sell to those who wish at a low price as soon as possible?

                        There, as God will send.
            3. Repellent
              Repellent 22 September 2022 09: 51
              -3
              Quote: Negro
              But there are a hell of a lot of people who object to Crimea

              The dog barks - the wind wears, doesn't it? wink
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 September 2022 09: 22
          0
          LNR and DNR were recognized by the Russian Federation. But somehow it was all in a hurry. Maybe it should have been more solemn, or something, with all the details .... Of course, it would be better if this happened years earlier, in my opinion.
          As for other areas, yes, things are different.
          But then again, the cries about the illegality of the referendums suggest that some justification could be made. And opponents know this.
          1. Negro
            Negro 22 September 2022 09: 36
            0
            Quote: Reptiloid
            LNR and DNR were recognized by the Russian Federation

            22 February.
            Quote: Reptiloid
            But then again, the cries about the illegality of the referendums suggest that some justification could be made

            What does scream mean? They said that this event will not change anything.

            Although something this event will change in a completely different place. Painted below.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 22 September 2022 09: 56
              +8
              I remember the red flags in the photo of the DPR (which were on the VO in 2014) It does not leave the thought that then they wanted to return as socialist republics to the USSR. In that good past that they remembered. After all, even the monuments to Lenin were defended by fighting.
              It must have scared some in Russia.
              Therefore, it happened ---- long years of expectations, terror, struggle.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 22 September 2022 10: 03
                +5
                Quote: Reptiloid
                they wanted to come back socialist republics

                They weren't allowed to do it!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 22 September 2022 10: 40
                  +3
                  You know, Vladimir Vladimirovich, at that time I so expected that the socialist republics would be next to us, that Russia would help them. Why not? Belarus with its celebration of November 7 --- we help.
                  And what thoughts were further about socialism, you can probably guess ..... It didn’t happen.
                  ...They weren't allowed to do it.

                  For too long, the former Soviet nomenklatura hatched plans to seize power and property after Stalin's death.
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 22 September 2022 10: 46
                    +5
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    the nomenklatura hatched plans to seize power and property

                    What did she do!
                    I do not want to develop this topic further, disgusting!
        3. Egoza
          Egoza 22 September 2022 10: 06
          +2
          Quote: Negro
          Nobody annexed Kosovo, on the contrary, it was disconnected. LDNR just tried to appeal to the Kosovo option (it didn’t work), but you can’t drag the current creativity there.

          You are wrong. LPR and DPR just want to secede from Ukraine. So the analogy with Kosovo is direct.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 22 September 2022 10: 47
            +1
            Just now Elena hi in the NEWS section I saw an article about Kosovo. Vučić spoke on the topic
            Quote: Egoza
            ..... the analogy with Kosovo is direct.
  4. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 22 September 2022 06: 38
    +1
    Without rejecting Ukrainianism, it is necessary to finish off aggressive nationalism throughout Ukraine. I am not a monster. I had many friends from this country. But for the sake of the future of Ukraine, this brown plague must be defeated. To make sure that in Russia itself they raise the bar of social equality. There will be someone to look up to. Understanding perfectly the difficulties of this, an understanding comes without justice on our land, we will do little with our neighbor.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 22 September 2022 07: 10
      +2
      Agreeing with your comment, in terms of meaning, I think that what you write will not be done. At the top they will dodge, take some half measures, postpone, because what was captured in the 90s, both physically and legally, socially --- no one wants to give
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 08: 28
      -2
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      But for the sake of the future of Ukraine

      Stepping on the same rake again? Residents of Zaporizhia and Kherson region have already answered you that they do not want any Ukraine. Ukrainianism is a failed project and it is time to send it to the dustbin of history.
      1. Negro
        Negro 22 September 2022 09: 11
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        Residents of Zaporizhia and Kherson region have already answered you that they do not want any Ukraine.

        You see, we are likely to learn a lot about the inhabitants of Zaporozhye and Kherson region.
      2. Nikolay Malyugin
        Nikolay Malyugin 22 September 2022 13: 48
        0
        Alexei. Are you also going to cancel Ukrainian songs?
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 14: 11
          0
          Ural fairy tales, Volga songs, Pomeranian tales ... someone cancels them?
  5. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 22 September 2022 06: 46
    +9
    I read in Kommersant that they exchanged 215 Azov soldiers for 49 of our soldiers and one Medvedchuk. That is, one godfather cost as much as 166 soldiers. So we don't leave ours! 10 foreign mercenaries were released for... But no one knows - for whom or what. Negotiated behind closed doors, the electorate is not supposed to know the details.
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 07: 23
      -11
      According to Zelensky's office... a very reliable source.
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 08: 40
      -11
      It’s interesting in which Kommersant you found it when no specifics are given there at all ...
  6. Mikhail Drabkin
    Mikhail Drabkin 22 September 2022 06: 47
    -1
    Author:
    we are primarily concerned about our own problems related to the LPR, DPR, Kherson and, in a good way, Zaporozhye region.

    So everyone there, behind the "ribbon" is well aware that as it flew, it will continue to fly.


    —- With all due respect, the author bypassed the demographic and geopolitical aspect of entering, whether, joining, whether ..., the interests of Zaporozhye.

    —-The part of Ukraine that does not become Russia will be part of the Western foothold. Demographically, entry is a plus.

    —- It can and will fly, but most likely - as in the Belgorod and Kursk regions (which is unacceptable). Because Russia's response will be significant.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 22 September 2022 08: 59
      +2
      There is one more aspect. Russia will come and at its own expense restore the entire beaten infrastructure, up to the replacement of sewer pipes in residential buildings. They show us how Mariupol is being restored. Plus pensions, benefits and more.
  7. 77alex77
    77alex77 22 September 2022 06: 53
    -2
    And how do you like our Minister of Defense, something mumbling and burr, not military
  8. Sergey Drozdov
    Sergey Drozdov 22 September 2022 07: 04
    -1
    "Voting remotely" - we already have a small but positive experience in this matter. We can do this remotely.
  9. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 07: 15
    -7
    Damn... they started preparing a referendum long before the retreat in Kharkov... to tie them into one. Apparently, the author’s thinking is already generally denied, and for the sake of forcing the atmosphere, he begins to attract unrelated events to one denominator.
  10. lambert
    lambert 22 September 2022 07: 22
    0
    The incomprehensible activity of the author is a growing hysteria. Maybe it's time to stop.
  11. igorka357
    igorka357 22 September 2022 07: 32
    +1
    A train that seems to be standing still, but can be torn apart without warning. This is how, to our regret, most of my compatriots now characterize my Motherland, not those who have everything according to plan, but those who see, think, and follow .. The article says, supply buckets with what? Armament, what, the latest? Yes, we ourselves would like to get more of it. Mobilization has now begun, they said three hundred thousand, what will they be supplied with? The article says that the normal organization and management is like that of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, you can ask where did you see the normal organization and management in the army? The article contradicts itself. What they want and believe in the DPR and LPR does not negate the fact that now civilian men will go to war in Russia, and 600-700 thousand conscripts, who are called there for a minute just for the sake of protection, will be sewing their front tunics in a year, and come home from service as heroes. And believe me, we can retreat from our own land. So I don't understand what is the purpose of the referendum at such a difficult time.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 September 2022 09: 41
      +3
      But where did you get the figure of 700 thousand conscripts in our Armed Forces? Each spring and autumn call for 120-140 thousand people. There are about a quarter of a million people on conscription in the Russian Armed Forces, that is, about a quarter of the military personnel. Plus, a certain number of conscripts serve in other structures.
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 14: 17
      -3
      Quote: igorka357
      This is how, to our regret, the majority of my compatriots now characterize my Motherland, not those who have everything according to plan, but those who see, think, and follow ..

      First, do not answer for the majority, it will answer for itself. And secondly, if your "thinkers and seers" are exactly the same, then it's very good that they see and think while sitting on the couch ... although, unfortunately, your "brothers in mind" meet in government agencies.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 September 2022 07: 34
    +1
    [quoteEveryone there is well aware that if they join Russia as subjects of the Federation, Donetsk and other cities will not fly less] [/ quote]
    As I understand it, the Kremlin wants to freeze the situation and is not going to push everything further to the West.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 September 2022 07: 46
      -3
      Quote: Gardamir
      As I understand it, the Kremlin wants to freeze the situation and is not going to push everything further to the West.

      I doubt that Ukraine, after the referendums and the entry of these territories into Russia, will stop shelling them, which means we will move them to the West until the newly liberated territories stop shelling, i.e. all the way to the Atlantic.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 September 2022 08: 01
        +7
        will be
        It won't, nothing will. The authorities, faithful to the precepts of Gaidar-Chubais (women give birth to new ones), announced mobilization. And how much slop was poured from the current rulers on Soviet military leaders. But they are engaged in saving the Azov regiment. Read the article about the exchange. By the way, have you heard anything about the increase in military production. For example, I heard about the rapid rise in airfare in southern directions.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 September 2022 08: 45
          -6
          Quote: Gardamir
          The authorities, faithful to the precepts of Gaidar-Chubais (women give birth to new ones), announced mobilization

          Under the redhead, the army was destroyed.

          It is very easy to distinguish good from evil. Only villains force people to abandon their ancestors, forget their language and kill their brothers. If we don't defeat them there, they will be here. They are already dividing Russia among themselves. What else to expect?

          I am for partial mobilization. The primary purpose of a man is to ensure the safety of his family, which is not possible without ensuring the security of the Motherland.
      2. Quzmi4
        Quzmi4 22 September 2022 17: 14
        0
        West to the Pacific. Otherwise there will be no peace.
  13. kig
    kig 22 September 2022 07: 47
    0
    And if you look from our side? Since Lugansk and Donbass are now Russian territories, which are shelled by bad Ukrainians, what does this mean? It may very well be that the NWO will stop at this point (all goals have been achieved), and something else will begin. Or such a moment. For the time being, Europe is distributing weapons with some caution, and if we announce this "something else", then the trickle may very well turn into a powerful stream. Abrams and Leopards will appear on the fields, all sorts of F's in the sky. Are we ready for this? It looks like it doesn't.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 September 2022 07: 53
      -9
      Quote: kig
      (all goals achieved)

      Our goals are outlined in a message to them dated December 15, 2021 - to drive NATO beyond the borders of 1998.
      1. kig
        kig 22 September 2022 08: 05
        +4
        Quote: Boris55
        drive NATO beyond the borders of 1998

        Are you kidding? Alas, it's not funny.
      2. skeptick2
        skeptick2 22 September 2022 09: 01
        -2
        Quote: Boris55
        Our goals are outlined in a message to them dated December 15, 2021 - to drive NATO beyond the borders of 1998.

        And how is the progress? Driven by NATO? Judging by the map, we cannot even reach the administrative borders of Donbass.
      3. Hitriy Zhuk
        Hitriy Zhuk 22 September 2022 10: 03
        +3
        It would be nice to catch up to 1985.
        Well, there is the GDR ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 September 2022 11: 16
          -3
          Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
          It would be nice to catch up to 1985.

          It is good to...

          Stalin:
          "Comrades! Citizens! Brothers and sisters! Soldiers of our army and navy!
          ...
          All our strength is to support our heroic Red Army, our glorious Red Fleet! All the forces of the people - to defeat the enemy! Forward, for our victory!"
          3 July 1941 year

          Putin:
          “I am writing to you today: to all the citizens of our country, to people of different generations, ages and nationalities, to the people of our great Motherland, to all who are united by great historical Russia, to the soldiers and officers, volunteers who are now fighting on the front lines, are at a combat post, to our brothers and sisters - residents of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, and other areas liberated from the neo-Nazi regime."
          21 September 2022
  14. Rzzz
    Rzzz 22 September 2022 08: 02
    +2
    And here's one thing I don't understand.
    And why is a referendum on accession not held in Russia itself? That is, the authorities of the unrecognized republics themselves decide whether to join or not, but the citizens of Russia do not even need to be asked, but they want such a "joining", with all the consequences?
    It seems that the composition of the country is fixed in the constitution of the Russian Federation, and this is how it changes. Should be decided through a referendum.
    And that turns out great. Tomorrow some Somalia will also want to join, and what, will we also take?
    1. Ivanchester
      Ivanchester 22 September 2022 09: 45
      +6
      This issue is regulated by the Constitutional Law "On the procedure for admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of a new subject of the Russian Federation within it."
      It does not provide for any referenda when accepting new subjects into the Russian Federation.
  15. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 22 September 2022 08: 15
    +1
    The author, the T62 is a chic tank when it is, but the T90 sucks if it is in the Far East. It is not the tank that makes itself chic, but its application. If our top-level commanders throw tanks into the attack in the forehead or do not cover them from UAVs, then this is not the fault of the tank.
    We are mobilizing and we are going to send reservists there, after a couple of weeks of training, and a regular army will sit in the center of Russia and look at all this. Well, of course, we, according to Putin and Shoigu, do not have an army, but a herd of pampered and unprepared children who are not able to fight. We are afraid to throw conscripts into the war, but those who quit a couple of years ago and were also conscripts are not sorry. Do they have better preparation? During their civilian life, they gained fat, started families, that is, their combat effectiveness is an order of magnitude lower than that of current soldiers who have completed six months of service. It is generally better not to talk about the psychology of the mobilized.
    It takes a couple of months to train a soldier, at least to bring him into the minimum possible physical shape, you need to prepare units, three more months, this is the minimum.
    It is necessary to introduce regular units into Kherson, Zaporozhye, Kharkov and not 300, but a million, 000% of the strength of the current army, but to replace it with reservists, temporarily.
    According to the normal, all this had to be done in March, in order to occupy all the territories taken then, they would have taken the whole east of Ukraine long ago and ended the war, and so we put the guys in vain.
    1. Dmitry Karabanov
      Dmitry Karabanov 22 September 2022 08: 58
      0
      according to Putin and Shoigu, not an army, but a herd of pampered and unprepared children

      And here I disagree with you - just children, and OWN. This is a huge difference - to throw into battle some Buryats or Ryazans - or our own from the "Arbat military district"! I talk a lot with Muscovites, and they directly say: "A Moscow boy is ashamed to serve in the army, this is unacceptable!" But the main thing for our authorities is peace in the capital. Remember the State Emergency Committee and compare it with the Khabarovsk processions - the order of numbers is similar, but in the first case there was a coup d'état, and in the second - no one cares.
      Unfortunately, it seems that ALL the top is completely rotten and mired in nepotism - and they perceive Russia as a kind of resource (and not at all the people and the Motherland). And just the latest events in the rescue of "Putin's godfather" only confirm this assumption.
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      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 22 September 2022 11: 13
        0
        I didn't mean it. By not sending a conscription army to fight, the leadership shows that this is not an army, but a profanation that is not capable of fighting. And as for Moscow, you are wrong, Moscow is huge and deputies, officials and other waste of humanity, not all of Moscow.
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 22 September 2022 08: 29
    +6
    Perfectly understanding the need for such a step "in fact", at the same time I see that from a legal point of view it is, as they say, "insignificant". If the issue with the position of the LDNR has already been steadily formed over time, then in Zaporozhye or the Kherson region there are classic VGAs (which no one chose), and any of their decisions or constructions do not come from Law, but from "the law of the strong". From an international legal point of view.
    Generally speaking, this is nonsense - to hold a referendum in the historically "just" occupied region, without preliminary democratic procedures, in which people choose power at all levels, without actual autocracy within the boundaries of the region. The referendum is obtained in fact "on bayonets", and takes place under the full power and administrative control of the side to which it is most beneficial. A few more days. Even in the conditions of evacuation of a significant part of the population of these regions. And so on and so forth.
    With the same success, I can organize a referendum on my balcony, where I and my cat will vote - and I will say "the vote took place!" I will announce that everyone actually on the balcony voted, I will tick the box "as it should" for the cat as for the disabled and that's it - it's in the bag.

    IMHO, all this is a continuation of the already traditional mockery of classical demoprocedures, lined up in a harmonious line of turning the remains of elements (sic!) Of democracy into the final hemp-electronic-multi-day parody of it.
    Although some part of the population of these regions (not the LDNR, everything is more or less clear with the LDNR) may have a positive attitude towards the arrival of the Russians, when I read about the figures of 86-87% "for", I did not even smile. Because it's not funny anymore, from the word at all. It's one thing when something like this happens inside our society, and it's quite another thing when we start making these knees "piping hot" outside.
    8 years ago these people made their choice - and it was not the choice of "86-87%". To believe that during this time, under the yoke of indoctrination and from glancing at Russian broadcasts in passing, that pro-Russian sympathies rose there, so powerful that after a couple of months everyone "changed their shoes" - this is extremely naive.

    However, within the framework of the current strategy for a more or less decent summing up of the NWO "into something more", this is a completely acceptable move (not a reasonable one, but just an acceptable one. Time will tell reasonableness). The conflict itself has already dragged on and turned into the most epic battle since 1941-1945 on these lands, and the sooner it stops (and the more stable and profitable the configuration is), the better.
    If "referendums" contribute to this, I will be the first to take off my hat and say that it was right.
    1. solar
      solar 22 September 2022 10: 02
      +2
      Do they help? How will the population treat them (and in the Kherson region it is mostly Ukrainian-speaking)?
      For some reason, a photo from a rally in Crimea in 2014 was put in the screensaver, and not from a rally in Kherson in 2022.
      Indeed, after being accepted into Russia, they will have to be equalized in rights with the rest of the inhabitants of Russia, and this will significantly reduce the military’s opportunities for freedom of action.
      And if there will be mobilization, how will they react to the service?
      Is it really a good idea to take territories inhabited by potential traitors into Russia?
  17. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 22 September 2022 08: 41
    +3
    Before you sit down to a game of chess, using the citizens of your country as pawns, you must first learn how to play.
  18. Dmitry Karabanov
    Dmitry Karabanov 22 September 2022 08: 50
    -2
    Quite right! These referendums are at least some kind of guarantee against yet another "goodwill gesture" and "regrouping." Although, judging by recent events, the main goal of our authorities now is to conclude a "obscene peace." No one is talking about the liberation of Ukraine anymore. The main task of the SVO has been completed - "Putin's godfather" is now at large, an elite house near Yanukovych is probably ready.
    I personally somehow hoped that after February 24 Russia would change - but no, the authorities are just as far from the people. It seemed that the consequences of the withdrawal of troops from the north of Ukraine and the Kharkov tragedy for Putin's rating were terrible, but yesterday's exchange of "Azov" for "kuma" - that's all, no limits! Therefore, it is completely logical that the inhabitants of the liberated territories are trying to "jump into the last car" faster - to get to Russia. Because, I'm sure, the whole of New Russia understood - they will be thrown without the slightest doubt!
    1. skeptick2
      skeptick2 22 September 2022 09: 10
      -6
      Quote: Dmitry Karabanov
      Therefore, it is completely logical that the inhabitants of the liberated territories are trying to "jump into the last car" faster - to get to Russia. Because, I'm sure, the whole of New Russia understood - they will be thrown without the slightest doubt!

      If they throw it anyway, what's the point of jumping into this last car at all?
  19. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah 22 September 2022 08: 51
    -4
    Nonsense began in 2014, and the attack on the rake has continued until the present time.
  20. Dedok
    Dedok 22 September 2022 08: 54
    +1
    The referendum is probably good.
    Entry into the Russian Federation - too.
    But there is a question - terrorism in the liberated territories, how are they going to fight it?
    what laws are going to pass?
    how, according to these laws, will they punish everyone who is involved and caught? - their relatives will stay away??
    if so, then the SBU will spread this strategy to the entire territory of our Motherland, they will find sympathizers in the form of Ukrainians with Russian passports, and ours, for a dime
    how are they going to fight?
  21. Negro
    Negro 22 September 2022 09: 19
    +2
    )))
    The author missed one small moment.

    These, hmm, events are held in the interests of a specific and very small group of people - those former Ukrainians who will be on the street after another regrouping. So they have a hope that they will not be forgotten to regroup personally.

    However, these activities come at a price. Previously, there were three types of territories, so to speak - Crimea, ORDLO, and territories beyond the February 24 line. Each territory had a different status in terms of goodwill gestures, regroupings and more. That is, the same ZNPP can be easily regrouped if they ask well, but Sevastopol, they say, is out of the question.

    If the same Kherson region is now issued to the regions of the Russian Federation, then this will not only equate Kherson with Crimea, but also equate Crimea with Kherson. Hello Crimeans.
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 September 2022 09: 29
    +1
    This is a necessity .... Otherwise, you will have to keep warriors in the territories, there are already not enough of them. And so - the territory of the Russian Federation and everything that is supposed to be given. From the traffic police to the Ministry of Emergency Situations
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    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 10: 45
      -3
      There will be no Russia at all with you.
  24. Maks1995
    Maks1995 22 September 2022 09: 37
    +2
    For 8 years they didn’t calve, didn’t agree, and suddenly ...
    what changed?
    One thing - a course has been taken for a full-fledged War.
    he had been like that since the age of 14, but a "small and victorious" operation seemed to be. there were promises - "Ukraine will remain whole"
    But now it is clear that under imperialism this is not so. Capture and attach.
    And everyone understands what "referendums" are, and even "remotely".

    When was the last referendum in the USSR, I hope everyone remembers, like its outcome?
  25. Yuri Pyagai
    Yuri Pyagai 22 September 2022 09: 39
    0
    Need. Which is at least 8 years late.
  26. avia12005
    avia12005 22 September 2022 09: 44
    +2
    Forgive us, please, my native Kharkov... A Russian city that was allowed to turn into a bastion of nationalists. All mine are buried at the 2nd cemetery. Father, mother, grandparents. Who will say that Kharkov is not a Russian city? He is waiting.
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 10: 55
      -4
      And who gave...the Kharkiv people themselves gave it. And Azov and Kraken and Freykor ... these are all Kharkiv residents.
  27. canurodes
    canurodes 22 September 2022 10: 05
    0
    After the referendum, nothing will change, once again a stupid political move is idle.
    Why do this during the war, the situation may change. It was time to organize integration, both from a military and an economic point of view, everything was profaned, at least to have a clear plan. Now they are feverishly trying to start somewhere and turn on the clumsy bureaucratic machine of the Russian Federation.
    And if after the referendum there is a regrouping again, and this is already Russia, it turns out that we are already on our territory, which means we can use tactical nuclear weapons, and this is already a nuclear war.
    A special operation is turning into a war, we are already defending our territory. The referendum raises the stakes to the maximum.
    1. kig
      kig 22 September 2022 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: canurodes
      It was time to organize integration, both from a military and economic point of view

      in general, the most beautiful and elegant move would be this: to give citizenship, work and housing in Russia to everyone in the DPR and LPR. We are crying that there are not enough workers, we invite ... whoever does not come to us. And then there are literate Russian-speaking hard-working people. For 8 years, such a program could have been cranked out, and it would have cost less and more humanely. Only Ukrainian patriots would remain.
  28. Egoza
    Egoza 22 September 2022 10: 17
    +1
    What I see is positive - there "some" said that they would introduce new sanctions against Russia, the LPR and the DPR. But if sanctions are imposed against the LPR and DPR, then they are ALREADY recognized as existing republics. And this is already +. A referendum is needed to comply with international law. Let many now spit on him, but so far no one has canceled this right. That's what Russia will use.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 22 September 2022 10: 46
      +1
      But if sanctions are imposed against the LPR and DPR, then they are ALREADY recognized as existing republics.

      Of course not.
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 22 September 2022 10: 58
      0
      What is surprising ... those who criticize for holding a referendum would certainly criticize in the event of postponement for an indefinite period or even its cancellation in the same way.
  29. Wbond
    Wbond 22 September 2022 11: 31
    +1
    as soon as the process of rejection of the south of Ukraine begins, similar measures initiated by Romania, Poland and Hungary may also begin in the west,

    ... in fact, it would be more likely .... to sort out everything that is ours, Western Ukraine was a stranger to us anyway ...
  30. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 22 September 2022 12: 09
    +3
    Wow.author!
    These referendums and these regions within Russia are very good.
    However, what about Odessa, Nikolaev and Ochakov?
    Without these cities, with all their regions, there was no point in building a garden.
    It's impossible without them!
  31. stankow
    stankow 22 September 2022 12: 18
    0
    I agree with the author, only a note: Msta-B is a replacement for the D-30. The replacement for the MT-12 Rapier is Octopus-B.
  32. anonsvirus7
    anonsvirus7 22 September 2022 12: 35
    0
    Interesting. What is the minimum % of the electorate needed to accept the desired result. For example, I know that RF garlic will not get the desired result in the Kherson region. According to Zaporozhye, in its southern part, there may be a slight advantage and will be, but not a fact. It will be reminiscent of the 2020 US elections.
    1. Jeremiah
      Jeremiah 22 September 2022 20: 45
      -2
      No. Everything is drawn as it should. Who will ask whom.
  33. place
    place 22 September 2022 13: 16
    +2
    Quote from: anonsvirus7
    Interesting. What is the minimum % of the electorate needed to accept the desired result. For example, I know that RF garlic will not get the desired result in the Kherson region. According to Zaporozhye, in its southern part, there may be a slight advantage and will be, but not a fact. It will be reminiscent of the 2020 US elections.

    What's the difference ? You know that we didn’t give a damn about the 1991 referendum, and all elections are in great doubt and all this people absolutely do not care. We live in Russia, not in the USA. We elect presidents as general secretaries were elected in the CPSU, and general secretaries were elected for life, like Mikhail Romanov in 1613. The king is either carried forward with his feet or thrown off ... Where is there to be equal to the USA.

    The referendum is now needed by the authorities of the Russian Federation to justify their position and create an image in the UN. At least formal. There will also be international observers! if they want to come. If "does not get the desired result", then one of the organizers will get on the head .... it should be! And what is the real result there, they will never tell us this at all, but we don’t care about all this. Even their own referenda.
    1. Jeremiah
      Jeremiah 22 September 2022 20: 46
      0
      The referendum is now needed by the authorities of the Russian Federation to justify their position and create an image in the UN.

      In my opinion, everyone (except for the first two channels) has long given a damn about the image at the UN.
  34. Essex62
    Essex62 22 September 2022 13: 52
    +2
    Actually, an attack on the territory of the Russian Federation is no longer any NWO, but a full-fledged war. Is the Kremlin aware of this? Republics and liberated territories, no longer on their own, will be. The Constitution and laws of the Russian Federation will operate on this territory. And it’s also impossible to send conscripts to the front line there, and the supply of military personnel of the RF Armed Forces should be like on the territory of the entire Russian Federation. A tactical move, tying contractors to the territory with the declared VP, can change the whole situation. Legally, there will be no difference between Crimea and Donetsk. Have the wrestlers dug a hole for themselves again? Or is everything so bad that they are ready to pay?
    1. Jeremiah
      Jeremiah 22 September 2022 20: 46
      -1
      Actually, an attack on the territory of the Russian Federation is no longer any NWO, but a full-fledged war.

      In fact, it has already begun.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 22 September 2022 21: 39
        +1
        You tell this to the "volunteers", the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces, who are ready to fulfill the contract, "to bring ammunition" but not to shoot from guns, on the line of contact. If this is a member of the unity, he told live on the First Channel, then the situation is really awful. Apparently, the hope that the Republics of the EaP has been announced. prison.
  35. Wildcat
    Wildcat 22 September 2022 14: 31
    +4
    hi
    Roman Skomorokhov as a journalist is growing from article to article, it must be admitted.
    Now he states the facts as he received them.

    Well, let's look at the facts.

    1. Referendums will be held and their results will be expected.

    2. The result of these referendums is recognized by the Russian Federation.
    Which countries still recognize it and do not recognize it - Skomorokhov will write about this later. An example of such non-recognition is the Baltic States and the USSR, for those who are interested, we climb into Wikipedia. I don't want to drag Vicki here.

    3. Those countries that do not recognize the result of the referendums will plant more weapons with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    4. We carefully read the decree on mobilization. What is not there, we do not read.

    5. Which of the respected members of the forum will remain alive and well, I propose that in a year we will once again discuss the work of R Skomorokhov, separately thanking him for spreading the well-known facts "APU will be enough for 2 weeks."

    Taking this opportunity, I would like to say a big thank you to all the respected members of the forum good for articles good and dialogues good .
    It was interesting and sometimes funny. hi
    It is not clear how long we will still be able to communicate here and who can and who cannot.
    1. Negro
      Negro 23 September 2022 09: 34
      +3
      Quote: Wildcat
      The Baltic states and the USSR, who cares

      No. The Baltic was Crimea. He was not recognized, but military control was not contested. Now we are dealing with the Democratic Republic of Finland in Terijoki.
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 23 September 2022 15: 40
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        Quote: Negro
        No. The Baltic was Crimea. He was not recognized, but military control was not contested. Now we are dealing with the Democratic Republic of Finland in Terijoki.

        Agree 200/! One to one Finnish company 1939-40. Only there at least the "Finnish government" was formed in advance on our territory
        1. Negro
          Negro 23 September 2022 16: 47
          0
          Yanukovych is alive and legitimate. By the way, where is he?
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 23 September 2022 16: 52
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            Quote: Negro
            Yanukovych is alive and legitimate. By the way, where is he?

            Theoretically yes. But it is so toxic that they try not to remember about it. Although, probably nothing more than a referendum.
            1. Negro
              Negro 23 September 2022 16: 56
              0
              And then Comrade Kuusinen was non-toxic)))

              However, empty. Well, the current masters will organize the government in a week. Pushilin was supposed to keep the MMM database.
              1. Adrey
                Adrey 23 September 2022 22: 41
                -1
                Yes. We are discussing the day before yesterday's borscht. History teaches that it teaches nothing hi
  36. Altmann
    Altmann 22 September 2022 15: 35
    -4
    Will Russia leave these territories undefended, without a clear border? So Russia is a weak country, without trust am
  37. Foundling
    Foundling 23 September 2022 22: 08
    -2
    Kursk and Belgorod secured?
  38. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 September 2022 22: 48
    0
    If there is a war going on to the last Ukrainian, then why can't there be a war to the last Pole.
  39. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 September 2022 22: 49
    0
    Yanukovych's train has left. If he led a government in exile, there would be a chance.
  40. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 23 September 2022 22: 55
    -1
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    Poland is very actively erasing the borders, "uniting" the two peoples, and the Ukrainian side is actively helping in this already at the legislative level.
    I will only note that Poland wants to annex Ukraine, or rather, part of it. But it may turn out the other way around: the Poles will unite with western Ukraine, and join it from a military point of view. Then we will have to demilitarize, including former Poland (now Western Ukraine).

    And why not consider, say. such an option? We AGREE to the transfer of Lviv and a couple of nearby regions (there are options) in EXCHANGE for a corridor to Kaliningrad. Not on the Baltic territory, but on the Polish? The Poles become our ACTUAL allies in the section at the kry. Their arrogance will be active until the moment of the threat of a nuclear strike, because we will NOT be the FIRST knock, but in the ANSWER. Let's see how Article 5 of NATO works. Having received theirs, they, in my opinion, will calm down. Push the Germans in the ass so that they do not doze off in their claims to what they once had. Here, let the Poles talk to the Germans. And let them solve their old problem with Bandera,
  41. Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev 25 September 2022 18: 07
    +1
    The author of the article has not yet understood that the state of Ukraine as such no longer exists. There is an American colony Ukraine such as South Vietnam. The Americans also stuffed the Saigon regime with weapons in all holes. They also destroyed the indigenous people, etc. Zelensky frankly no longer thinks about the problems and needs of the people of Ukraine. He works off the money that Biden pays him, fights with Russia to the last Ukrainian. And the men in Ukraine do not want to die in vain just because Biden needs it. So the referendum on the transition of the former Ukrainian regions under Russian jurisdiction is simply a necessary procedural action within the framework of existing international laws and in accordance with the UN Charter.
  42. Former soldier
    Former soldier 25 September 2022 19: 54
    0
    Quote: Hoarfrost
    on Medvedchuk himself.

    And who is Medvedchuk to write "Medvedchuk himself." One of the same has been resting in Russia for 8 years, now another figure. Sense to us from them. Moreover, the Sumerians and their friends cleaned out their pockets beforehand.
  43. Former soldier
    Former soldier 25 September 2022 19: 56
    0
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    And why not consider, say. such an option? We AGREE to the transfer of Lviv and a couple of nearby regions (there are options) in EXCHANGE for a corridor to Kaliningrad. Not on the Baltic territory, but on the Polish? The Poles become our ACTUAL allies in the section at the kry. Their arrogance will be active until the moment of the threat of a nuclear strike, because we will NOT be the FIRST knock, but in the ANSWER. Let's see how Article 5 of NATO works. Having received theirs, they, in my opinion, will calm down. Push the Germans in the ass so that they do not doze off in their claims to what they once had. Here, let the Poles talk to the Germans. And let them solve their old problem with Bandera,

    Uncle Sam doesn't allow it. He needs a war.
  44. Illanatol
    Illanatol 26 September 2022 13: 29
    0
    Quote: Negro
    Take an interest in the fate of interned American pilots in WWII.


    The analogy doesn't work. Over time (after Potsdam), the USSR and the USA became allies in the war with Japan.
    Erdogan will definitely not fight against Russia together with Zelensky.
  45. Illanatol
    Illanatol 26 September 2022 13: 32
    0
    Quote: Negro
    If the same Kherson region is now issued to the regions of the Russian Federation, then this will not only equate Kherson with Crimea, but also equate Crimea with Kherson. Hello Crimeans.


    Not to see the Ukrainians of Kherson, as well as Sevastopol. Is that part ... the first three letters.
  46. Illanatol
    Illanatol 26 September 2022 13: 35
    0
    Quote: Negro
    Yanukovych is alive and legitimate. By the way, where is he?


    His presidential term has expired. But Medvechuk was planted on us. It will pass for an option for a stub of Ukraine (the size of 2-3 regions and Kyiv).
  47. zenion
    zenion 27 September 2022 19: 11
    0
    Very reminiscent of the film "Wedding in Malinovka" Together with the film "Chapaev". The whites will come and rob, the reds will come and rob. Here you still need to add - change the flag. The flag was changed, the emblem was changed to an eagle, but it didn’t get better, it even got worse.