If you have a hijab

Why does Russia wear a hijab?

Our media write a lot about the fact that the streets of a number of European cities are filled with crowds of refugees and migrants from Muslim countries. In 2005, the book "The Mosque of Notre Dame" by the writer Elena Chudinova made a lot of noise.

The main events of the novel take place in France, where most of the population converts to Islam, and almost all of the cultural heritage of Europe and works of art have been destroyed. Many have condemned the novel for its anti-Islamic views. However, the proportion of Muslims in Europe has since grown markedly. According to various estimates, there are between 19 and more than 25 million Muslims in the EU today.

And what about us, in Russia? To begin with, we note that Muslims are the original inhabitants of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and, of course, Russia. First of all, we are talking about the indigenous population of Siberia, the Volga region, the North Caucasus and the Crimea. But after all, citizens from Central Asia and Transcaucasia also come to Russia to work and live.

As of 2018, there were 25 million Muslims in Russia. Sheikh Ravil Gaynutdin, chairman of the Council of Muftis of Russia, spoke about this. That is, in terms of the number of representatives of this religion, Russia and Europe are practically equal. But after all, the population of Russia (145,1 million) is significantly less than the European one (746,4), so in percentage terms we confidently took the lead.

And if earlier Russians, as a rule, read about the hijab, niqab, veil and veil in books or saw these items of clothing in the movies, today a girl in a hijab on the streets of our cities is quite a familiar sight. In general, the hijab has become a kind of symbol of the Islamization of Russia. So let's talk about him.

Hijab in Islam

Many mistakenly believe that the Holy Book of the Quran does not say that a woman should cover her head. It is not written in plain text, but this does not mean that there is no such provision in Islam. Although, according to the texts of the Koran, as well as numerous hadiths, initially the requirement to wear a hijab was addressed only to the wives of the prophet.

Hijab - literally translated from Arabic means "veil". In the broad sense of the word, it can be any clothing that meets the norms of Islam, which are called natural modesty. In the traditional sense, a hijab is a women's clothing that covers the entire body of a woman with the exception of the face, hands and ankles, therefore, a hijab is also understood as a dress that hides the figure in a special cut.

But in the West, only a headscarf is called a hijab. However, in Russia the word hijab is also used to refer to the traditional Muslim women's headscarf. Today, for many ethnic Muslims, this scarf is no longer the clothes of mother and grandmother. This is quite a modern piece of clothing, implying the observance of traditions and a woman's commitment to Islam. But what is interesting: the Muslim hijab is now sewn by mass brands like Uniqlo and luxury Dolce & Gabbana.

The head covering in ancient Persian, Assyrian and Mesopotamian cultures was an indicator of the high status of a woman. Wearing a headscarf by slaves and prostitutes was a criminal offense. Therefore, it cannot be argued that Islam "obliged" women to wear a veil, it only legitimized the customs that already existed in society.

Is interesting story the revelation of the "ayat on the hijab", which is given in the "Sahih" of Bukhari, the second most important book in Islam after the Koran.

“As for Umar, he often said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Cover (uhjub) your wives,” but the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, did not do this.
One evening, the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Sauda bint Zam'a, who was a tall woman, came out of the house, and 'Umar addressed her:
"We recognized you, Sauda!" (He did this) desiring that (the revelation of the need to wear) a veil be sent down, and Allah did indeed send down the verse.
(Sahih Bukhari, 146)

Hijab in the history of Russia

Few people know that Pushkin has a poetic cycle "Imitation of the Koran". And it contains these lines:

“Oh, pure wives of the Prophet,
From all you wives are distinguished:
Terrible for you and the shadow of vice.
Under the sweet shadow of silence
Live modestly: you should
Veil of a celibate maiden.
Keep Faithful Hearts
For negs lawful and bashful,
Yes, the gaze of the wicked wicked
He won't see your face!"

Amazingly beautiful lines. It turns out that Pushkin knew the Koran and the traditions of Islam very well.

By the way, Russian girls who married Muslims wear hijabs in Moscow today. I don’t know if the ROC sees a problem in the fact that its parishioners are increasingly converting to Islam? Haven't seen any opinions on this.

Let me just remind you that since the establishment of Soviet power in Russia, Transcaucasia and Central Asia, the struggle for the freedom of women has begun. And such attributes of women's clothing as the burqa, niqab, veil and hijab testified to the enslavement of a woman, that she, in her position, is lower than men and cannot decide for herself not only who she should be, but what and how she should wear.

Of course, the struggle for the free woman of the East was long and difficult. I would like to mention the impressions of Sergo Ordzhonikidze, who visited Turkestan in 1922. They can be characterized as follows: the inhabitants of Central Asia were glad to be liberated from the tsarist regime, but on its ruins they were going to build not a socialist, but an Islamic state. But the Bolsheviks could not put up with this. And by the mid-1930s, the veil had become a rarity. Together with her, the hijab also became a thing of the past.

Return of the hijab

But back to the conversation about the hijab in modern Russia. And again, let's say "thank you very much" to the migration policy of the government of the Russian Federation and personally to Mr. Khusnullin, who invites thousands of citizens of the Central Asian republics to work in the country's construction complex. However, it is one thing to see a lady in a hijab on the street, and quite another to see a girl in a hijab in a lesson at school.

But even here the process goes faster and faster. At the same time, let me remind you that education in Russia is secular, not religious, and the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church. By church, I mean not only Orthodox institutions, but also Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist ones ...

In practice, this branch does not seem to work at all. Shelina Janmohamed, the vice-president of the English advertising agency Ogilvy Noor, wrote the book Generation M: Young Muslims are changing the world. She argued that the hijab is the free choice of a woman. In a headscarf, they say, a woman can do everything that without a headscarf: play volleyball at the Olympics, make scientific discoveries, meet friends and even flirt.

Although the author is an Englishwoman, her opinion is certainly shared by many Muslims in Russia as well. However, the fact is that the hijab is not just clothing. It just looks like clothes, but this is an ideology and, whatever one may say, it proclaims the “secondary importance” of a woman, her humility, submission and pleasing to a man.

In 2017, Chechnya was the first Russian region to pass a law that allows schoolgirls to go to school in a hijab - in accordance with "national traditions and religious beliefs of students." To all the objections of human rights activists, the Chechen parliamentarians replied that, they say, the law of Chechnya does not prohibit schoolchildren from wearing either a Jewish kippah or a Christian cross.

However, I don't know whether the Jews and Orthodox of the Chechen Republic used the right to wear a kippah and a cross. I would like to emphasize that at the federal level no comments were made to the leadership of Chechnya. Apparently, the center did not even want a verbal skirmish after two rather bloody Chechen wars. And, you think, a scarf on your head? Not a veil, and not even a veil. But the property of any action is to continue and capture new heights. And now news from Tyumen.

At first, the media reported that the daughter of Ibragim Davudov was not allowed into the school building because of the hijab. The director of the institution insisted that religious paraphernalia was banned in the school. Someone recorded this conflict and posted it online. Violent disputes began. Representatives of the diaspora joined the dispute.

The next news is this:

“A meeting was held with the Deputy Governor of the Tyumen Region Alexei Ryder, a representative of the Dagestan diaspora Magomed Azhuev and the school principal Elena Golovchak. We have come to reconciliation. Alexey Ryder said that there are no problems with wearing headscarves (hijabs) in the Tyumen region.
“You just need to warn school principals in advance,”

– told URA.RU the father of the child Davudov.

Moreover, it was noted that specifically to allow the wearing of hijabs, the Tyumen school would rewrite the charter of the educational institution. As they say, "everything is fine, beautiful marquise." Interestingly, the telegram channels indicated that Ibragim Daudov is a quite frank admirer of Dzhokhar Dudayev, and on his VKontakte page there are calls for a revolution in Russia. But maybe this page no longer exists, and all these telegram bloggers are lying.

School of life or...

A few days after the incident at the school, the media reported: after an active discussion, they decided not to change the charter of the educational institution, and when discussing the school uniform, they returned to the ban on wearing a headscarf. But that wasn't the end of the story either.

On September 13, it became known that State Duma deputy Biysultan Khamzaev, elected from the United Russia party in Dagestan, appealed to the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation after the hijab scandal in Tyumen. The appeal says:

“We know how our President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin always emphasizes the strength of Russia precisely in the mutual respect for each other of its different peoples professing different traditional religions, setting an example for all officials, the entire state apparatus.
It is such a special case that occurred in the Tyumen school that becomes the subject of provocations, unnecessary discussions and widespread negativity in society. Moreover, the situation traumatizes the psyche of the child himself, who, instead of supporting and encouraging his faith in the Almighty, receives some degree of condemnation.”

The deputy asks the minister not only to deal with the hijab, but also to conduct a thorough check at the Tyumen school where the scandal happened. In addition, for educational purposes, he is even ready to organize a business trip to the Caucasus for the director of the school. In an interview with journalists, the deputy complained that the opinion of the minister "We never heard."

“Let him also answer in writing whether a girl can wear a headscarf or not ... Give us clear definitions,”

Khamzaev said.

In short, I won’t be surprised if soon we will still talk about allowing the wearing of the hijab in all schools in Russia. And there it will come to the veil with a veil. Why do girls go to school anyway? Let them sit at home, learn to cook, sew and please their husband.

Moreover, the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Khusnullin, already mentioned in the article, at a meeting on the achievement of indicators of national goals in the field of housing construction and infrastructure development of the regions, said that

“About five million labor migrants must be attracted to the construction industry in Russia by 2024.”

What countries do you think these millions will come to us from?

Comments

[Million]

In the Soviet Union, they somehow managed without hijabs and everyone was fine, there was no discord.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Million

In the Soviet Union, they somehow managed without hijabs and everyone was fine, there was no discord.

Well, at least don't fool yourself, please. It was, everything was. And the hijab is the most innocent of what was.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: Million

In the Soviet Union, they somehow managed without hijabs and everyone was fine, there was no discord.

Well, at least don't fool yourself, please. It was, everything was. And the hijab is the most innocent of what was.

Now something of them has become too much, so-so spectacle.

[Million]

I've been to the Central Asian republics. I haven't seen anyone wearing hijabs.

[Blanket]

He lived in Tajikistan until 1992, did not see women over the age of 30 with their heads uncovered, their hair was always removed. Tajik girls and girls also often wear headscarves

[Aviator_]

It was, everything was. And the hijab is the most innocent of what was.

What all? Don't confuse the scales. There was an instant reaction to the events in Tashkent at the Pakhtakor stadium (April 1969) - the purge of all the tops of the Uzbek SSR. Nasretdinova, whose little son was involved in the riots, was instantly removed from Tashkent to Moscow to the committee of Soviet women. As the accountant of this committee told me in the early 80s, after Nasretdinova it was scary to go into the toilet - she was very unclean.

[Diana Ilyina]

It depends on what period. Even in the time of Stalin, there were entire peoples who paid for betrayal. Although, as for me, he did not punish them so much as saved them by resettlement. Yes, and Bandera with the forest brothers were not completely destroyed, but only imprisoned, although these animals had to be hanged. So there were problems in the USSR, they were simply hushed up somewhere, and somewhere they preferred not to notice. Although in general they were solved. But by the time the marked one came to power, both the Tribalts and the Westerners already openly despised and hated us, and in Central Asia and the Caucasus there was also enough of everything.
Although I am a supporter of the USSR, but in all honesty, everything was far from cloudy there!

[AdAstra]

And no one says that it was not cloudy, but if we compare then and now, then Danelia "Kin-Dza-Dza" clearly shot about modern Russia.

[andrewkor]

Personally, in Tashkent I see women, girls, girls in beautiful hijabs, somewhere around 0,01% of the total number of the better half of humanity.

[Andrey Moskvin]

I live in Tyumen. If it's a weekend and I'm in the city, I meet dozens of women in these headscarves. From toddlers to old people.

[volodimer]

I apologize for getting to the top of the discussion, it’s just that the “Mosque of Notre Dame” for some reason did not contact Elena Chudinova in my head, but with “May 21, 2013, Dominique Wenner shot himself near the altar of Notre Dame Cathedral.” It seems that there was some book about the final of Europe due to the influx of migrants.
Or is it all mixed up in my brain

[Emergency]

Relatives went to Dagestan to visit. They were surprised that the older generation, the Komsomol members, do without it, and the youth in hijabs. Even in clothes, they bathe in the sea, while their mothers and grandmothers flaunt in chic swimsuits. Maybe for many it's just fashion?

[Leshak]

The article raises an unusually complex issue that needs to be addressed. The main thing is not to delay or aggravate the situation. It is necessary to find a compromise between religious traditions and the secular way of the state.

[Plate]

It’s a little irrational, yes, without a constructive one, but such thoughts arose from your comment about a compromise, I can’t help expressing it.
With our technology, we can build a society with this level of security, consumption and health...but instead we're dealing with religion, moral constraints on scientific research, and other incomprehensible nonsense.

[fiberboard]

It is necessary to expel Khisnullin and Kosachev, admirers of migrants, from Russia.

[NDR-791]

Quote: fiberboard

It is necessary to expel Khisnullin and Kosachev, admirers of migrants, from Russia.

There is no need to expel them, they must be made to work for the benefit, including "under the article." The law was adopted, it remains to understand for whom - for a bar or for slaves ???

[dmi.pris1]

1983, a business trip to Samarkand. I saw women in a veil. Not in large numbers, but there were

[AUL]

Wait a minute, let's "elect" Kadyrov as president - all women will put on the hijab!

[dauria]

And there it will come to the veil with a veil. Why do girls go to school anyway?

So you, our dear women. Look what they invented, on a par with the men .... By the way, try to enter the Orthodox Church without a headscarf .... And the guys from the east will simply hang up a price tag for you when selling "marry"
This is called played too much, gave free rein. I saw this in 85, the last one is trailing behind her husband. And before that, half a day in the heat, like a bag of potatoes, she sat on the edge of the platform without moving.

[NDR-791]

Quote: dauria

And before that, I sat in the heat like a sack of potatoes for half a day

So my husband didn't go anywhere. Otherwise, she would have run ahead of the sheep - when the Koran was written, there were no mines.
Neighing and hare, I’ll leave the article for study for tomorrow, a serious question.

[dauria]

a serious question.

Seriously nowhere. If there are two major religions, the state must firmly hold by the collar both Through the tops of these organizations. Talk calmly, let their flock (the Russian Orthodox Church is no exception) set themselves up for what is at school, etc. allowed, is not a violation, etc.
And Shoigu to explain that he is not far off. And there is no need to ostentatiously be baptized at the parade.

[sniperino]

Quote: dauria

If there are two major religions, the state must firmly hold both by the collar Through the tops of these organizations

The USSR already held, that's enough, they held out. Who cares if a woman or a young girl wears a headscarf? Does it somehow prevent them from learning, or why do some, including the author, get so writhed? Do you see this as a threat or an insult? Tell me, why hide behind the school rules of a bygone era of pseudoscientific atheism. In addition to igniting conflicts for controlled chaos, this will lead to nothing, which is why it is mainly pumped by the Putinsleeves. I didn't think so, but offhand. They would make sure that the high school girls covered their ass a bit, let the guys work with their brains at least a little, otherwise, at the sight of female charms, they blow the roof off quickly, they don’t get to study.

[musketon64]

Yes, the problem is not in the handkerchief. This is just an outward manifestation of the active Islamization and Turkitization of Russia. First of all, Central Russia. With the formation of the Caucasian and Central Asian enclaves here, which over time will turn (and there are places where they have ALREADY turned) into a serious problem for the security of citizens and the country.

They would make sure that the high school girls covered their ass a bit, let the guys work with their brains at least a little, otherwise, at the sight of female charms, they blow the roof off quickly, they don’t get to study.

Well, this is just blowing the roof off Asian and Caucasian guys. By rape, they just hold the palm. Not so long ago, in Buzheninovo near Moscow, a trinity of such preoccupied people from Wed. Asian 63-year-old grandmother was raped in the forest. It is unlikely that she was walking around in a mini-skirt.

[sniperino]

Quote: musketone64

Well, this is just blowing the roof off Asian and Caucasian guys.

This puberty in adolescence blows the roof that you are immediately pedaling the Nazi theme, or Russian rapists and perverts are not enough for you. I'm talking about what prevents young guys from concentrating on their studies. It's definitely not a hijab.

[musketon64]

Quote: sniperino

This puberty in adolescence blows the roof that you are immediately pedaling the Nazi theme, or Russian rapists and perverts are not enough for you.

The grandmother was raped not by teenagers, but by quite adult guys. You again see the Nazi theme somewhere. I'm talking about the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where, for example, in the Leningrad region, 90% of rapes are on the conscience of migrants. With a decrease during the period of departure of these "friends" to their native land. And then in the spring-summer period again on the rise. But I haven’t heard something about Russian rapists in the republics of the North. Caucasus or somewhere else. We have our scum. But when the locals are joined by newcomers, who are orders of magnitude more numerous, this does not contribute to the "friendship of peoples" from the word --- at all. It's me to your post who blows the roof.

Quote: sniperino

I'm talking about what prevents young guys from concentrating on their studies. It's definitely not a hijab.

This is your personal conclusion. And no more. There are many other reasons that prevent young guys from concentrating. Superiority here is occupied by "laziness-mother", social networks, and, by no means, short skirts of classmates.
Once again, in the context of this article, the hijab is referred to as the imposition of Islamic rules and customs in secular schools, and even in Russian regions, which, with the connivance of the authorities, were invaded by migrants carrying their own culture and rules alien to us. Some especially gifted people already begin to perform namaz during the educational process in the classrooms of universities. When they were reprimanded, they threw the same tantrums.

[sniperino]

Quote: musketone64

imposition of Islamic rules and customs in a secular school

No one is forcing you to follow someone else's traditions. And the Constitution does not allow forbidding traditions. Should the wearing of pectoral crosses in the republics of the North Caucasus also be banned? I would ban militant atheism, which fuels sectarian strife and promotes "gender freedoms."

[Blacksmith 55]

dauria, you are right, women should wear a headscarf in church, men should take off their hats.
And this is not only in the Orthodox.
In general, it is described in the Bible, a woman should wear a headscarf.
The problem is really serious.
Someone is offended by it, someone is on the contrary welcomed.
We must look for a compromise.

[Sagetaus]

Too terrible a topic, everyone understands that this is the end, such a "policy" is guaranteed to lead to the replacement of the state-forming population of Russia (and much has already been achieved by now), so they prefer to close their eyes, nothing else remains.

[Arkady007]

In Soviet times it was different.
It all depends on the ideology of the state at the moment. In Afghanistan, they also wore short skirts, as in Syria.

[Dkuznecov]

If it were only a matter of
wearing a bag over your head...

In Dubai, in the store, the security was scared,
when my wife came to my booth,
where I tried on a raincoat to evaluate.

[Nikolay Malyugin]

The topic is too fragile. It's not our business here.

[AdAstra]

Excuse me please - where is our mind theme? And then wherever you stick it is not a topic of our mind.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nikolay Malyugin

The topic is too fragile. It's not our business here.

While you are khataskraynichayut, they will try to spread their traditions and customs. And then it will be too late.
And the solution doesn't look complicated. Ours is a secular country. Religious ceremonies must be held in designated areas. Schools must follow a dress code.
If this issue is not resolved, then after the hijab they will want a room for prayer, then teachers will be required to wear a hijab, and then more.

[Nikolay Malyugin]

Andrei. The topic where small nations retain their customs, but Russians do not, is an old topic. The Russian theme is heard and shown only on the stage. In everyday life, all customs have died.

[Plate]

In fact, it's rather strange to keep your customs just for the sake of keeping them. All peoples have developed and are developing. I am sure that the modern Russians, that the Germans, that the Japanese differ from their distant ancestors much more than from other contemporary nations.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nikolay Malyugin

In everyday life, all customs have died.

There is such a thing as secularism. And customs with religion in a secular country should be separate.

A secular state is a state with a structure where religion is separated from state power and which is regulated on the basis of civil rather than religious norms; decisions of state bodies cannot have a religious justification.

Quote: Nikolay Malyugin

small nations retain their customs, but Russians do not

It's like looking. Do Russian holidays not celebrate? Orthodox, pagan, Soviet. Well, the fact that they don’t go in kosovorotkas is the 21st century in the yard. Small nations also flaunt their national clothes mainly in celebrations. Yes, and in everyday life is almost the same.

[Yura]

Quote: Hyperion

There is such a thing as secularism. And customs with religion in a secular country should be separate.

This concept, as well as the definition of the state as "secular" in a multinational country, with different religions, traditions and customs, but laws common to all, makes it possible to coexist without infringing on anyone, this definition for such a state is the backbone of its existence. And you are right when you write that

And customs with religion in a secular country should be separate.

[sniperino]

Quote: Hyperion

Religious ceremonies must be held in designated areas.

Wearing a headdress is not a religious ceremony. Like the pectoral cross. But religious traditions must be respected. If your conscience does not tell you this, then the Constitution of the Russian Federation requires it.

[nickname7]

Therefore, it cannot be argued that Islam "obliged" women to wear a veil, it only legitimized the customs already existing in society.

These customs were in the Middle Ages. The peculiarity of Islam is that the elements of the culture of the 5th century are, as it were, built into it through the Koran and, observing the faith, Muslims reproduce the Middle Ages, which is poorly compatible with the 21st century.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: nickname7

reproduce the Middle Ages, which is poorly compatible with the 21st century.

Oh, all these Western "hunts for (objectionable) witches" and "Crusades (for nishtyaks)" - bloom and smell (stench) to this day.
Of course, I don't understand this either. But in general, absolutely the same.

And "democracy" is generally from ancient Greece ...

[iouris]

Inciting religious fanaticism is fraught. The most correct faith is faith in the triumph of communism.

[sniperino]

Quote: iouris

Inciting religious fanaticism is fraught.

Are you talking about wearing a hijab? That's really where, really, atheistic fanaticism. You are applauded by liberoids and sexual perverts of the whole world. Only Russia has finally turned its face to the East, and you and it are not on the way.

[BAI]

Recently I saw a good combination: a hijab and a skirt, a palm above the knee.
So soon the combination of hijab - mini skirt will appear

[iouris]

Are they already filming in hijabs in "adult" commercials or have they not reached that point yet?

[Alexander Ra]

The expansion of peoples is a natural process of all living things. Ukraine - the same theme - the expansion of the Catholic, Anglo-Saxon "world". It would be necessary to comprehend why there is no healthy expansion of the Russian people, why is it being curtailed? Although the national question is taboo, without clarity there is no direction for the future.

[iouris]

Quote: Alexander Ra

Expansion of nations

it's already in the past. People are not needed. Expansion of capital, transnational corporations. But the earth is round. She's over. Transnational corporations need staff, not people. Who is not the staff will not be able to survive. And religion should be one - Satanism. Don't believe? Open your eyes wider.

[sniperino]

Quote: Alexander Ra

the national question is taboo

So we're breaking all taboos here?

[VBH]

Pure Islam professes the same principles as Christianity. I think the problem is not in hijabs, but in the minds of the population who consider themselves Orthodox. More than 90 percent of Russians know nothing about Orthodoxy, more than "to consecrate Easter cake" and that Christmas is celebrated on January 7th. Orthodoxy is "issued" complete with a Russian birth certificate. Hence the wariness in relation to other religions, from ignorance. I am not a Muslim or Orthodox, I chose my confession consciously at the age of 19, I actively and closely communicate with representatives of many confessions, but I have never met such militant ones as Orthodox. And there are still atheists, where are they in "Orthodox" Russia? My opinion: as long as the actions of another person (no matter what religion) remains within the framework of the current legislation of the Russian Federation, there is no need to interfere with him. And yes, everyone is free to choose a religion (not contrary to the laws of the Russian Federation), regardless of the place of birth and religion of parents and grandparents.

[Hypertension]

Quote: VBH

More than 90 percent of Russians know nothing about Orthodoxy, more than "to consecrate Easter cake" and that Christmas is celebrated on January 7th.

Where do the numbers about 90% come from? Have you considered it yourself or read it somewhere? And how many Muslims are well versed in Islam, do you happen to know?

Quote: VBH

And there are still atheists, where are they in "Orthodox" Russia?

All in a secular state, which is Russia.

Quote: VBH

I communicate closely with representatives of many confessions, but I have never met such militant ones as the Orthodox.

If you lived in Iran, you would know what militancy is. There recently a woman was beaten to death for wearing the hijab incorrectly.

[VBH]

Where are the numbers from? I lived in the Far East for a year and a half, participated in humanitarian projects, and communicated with dozens of people every day. Yes, and it’s enough to open comments in any social networks, the same Zen (subscribed to Orthodox priests, I like them very much!) Or look around. Yes, there are knowledgeable, but mostly, alas. There is no New Testament in the houses, and those who read it can be counted on the fingers. I am glad if there are many knowledgeable Orthodox in your environment. No kidding. I completely agree about the secular state. Although I am grateful to the same ROC that we have not legalized same-sex marriages. She holds back a lot of bad things. And about Muslims - of course, there are also Muslims "by birth", and not by the call of the soul, this is the case in any religion. That's why hijabs are worn with miniskirts.

[Hypertension]

Quote: VBH

interacted with dozens of people every day.

Dozens of people (even new ones every day) are not all Russians. Not everyone. And it is unlikely that you conducted a test on knowledge of Orthodoxy with everyone. So you just took a figure from the bulldozer, to heighten the effect.

Quote: VBH

it is enough to open comments in any social networks, the same Zen (subscribed to Orthodox priests, I like them very much!) Or look around.

If you just "look around" I doubt that you can determine the level of knowledge of people in religion. And as for Zen, they would write like that: they say, 90% of the commentators on such and such pages of Zen are not versed in religion. That would be more correct.
And about the intolerance of the Orthodox, I would like to add that many of the Central Asians in Russia have an easier life than in their own countries, with a predominantly Muslim population, where there are certain bans on beards and hijabs.

[VBH]

Good. Then you tell me where you got the other numbers from. Obviously from personal observation. I don’t want to argue at all, my experience will remain with me, and yours with you. I repeat, I'm glad if there are more knowledgeable people in your social circle than in mine.

[Hypertension]

Quote: VBH

Then you tell me where you got the other numbers from.

I did not write that I have any specific figures. In principle, we cannot know them (exact figures), because no one has questioned all Russians on the topic of knowledge about Orthodoxy. What significant amount, the so-called Orthodox, poorly know the basics of religion, and even fewer observe them and behave accordingly - I agree with you. My claim was, in fact, to the proportion of such citizens that you determined. It doesn't have to be 90%. It is possible that both 80% and 70%.

[iouris]

And what is faith in the true meaning of the concept? In the bulk of the "believers" differ from non-believers only in the observance of rituals. Compliance with (some) rituals is seen as a contract with "higher powers" to fulfill some requests or even requirements (I - to you, you - to me). People have formed clip thinking. Regardless of confession (or degree of godlessness), the vast majority of individuals are no longer able to read and understand long texts. And the sacred books are very long and require a lot of inner work to comprehend the meanings. This is problem. By the way, the members of the CPSU (and it was a mass organization) had a similar problem: they observed party rituals.

[sniperino]

Quote: iouris

And the sacred books are very long and require a lot of inner work to comprehend the meanings. This is problem. By the way, the members of the CPSU (and it was a mass organization) had a similar problem: they observed party rituals.

To ban K. Marx, the Bible and other books thicker than "Summer in a Pioneer Camp" so as not to breed ritualism?

[Alexander Ra]

Quote: VBH

everyone is free to choose a religion (not contrary to the laws of the Russian Federation), regardless of the place of birth and the religion of parents and grandparents.

Your judgments are as polite as they are insidious. Are you against spiritual succession in the largest nation of Russia?

Quote: VBH

I have never met such militant as the Orthodox

How did many peoples manage to survive among the "militant" Orthodox, to increase, to obtain statehood? Your deep attitude to the Orthodox is felt.

[VBH]

I am for spiritual succession! If it does not deprive people of the moral freedom of choice. I do not like that a person who was born in the Russian Federation and does not consider himself Orthodox, as a rule, is perceived as an outcast and a sectarian. Textbooks on sectarianism are extremely illiterate and riddled with prejudice. No need to guess about my deep attitude, you will not guess. You don't know me in everyday life, you don't see my deeds and you don't hear my words. But, of course, your choice, you can think what you want. I respect your opinion.

[Flooding]

Quote: VBH

I do not like that a person who was born in the Russian Federation and does not consider himself Orthodox, as a rule, is perceived as an outcast and a sectarian.

Sorry, I can't resist.
But it is immediately clear that your conclusion is a consequence of communication in certain rather religious circles.
"In the world" (quoted, because I'm exaggerating) everything is somewhat different. And rather, a person who sincerely believes, but the same Orthodox, is looked at as a white crow.
In society, conditional atheism of all varieties is the norm.

[sniperino]

Quote: VBH

My opinion: as long as the actions of another person (no matter what religion) remains within the framework of the current legislation of the Russian Federation, there is no need to interfere with him.

They want to replace the legislation with "school rules" in order to ignite the conflict.

[Plate]

Personally, it is quite difficult for me to imagine voluntarily putting on a hijab after going without it. This is all from the outside, of course, but it looks uncomfortable. Especially in the summer.
And someone please explain to me. What can happen that a person voluntarily puts on uncomfortable clothes after he has been walking in comfortable clothes all his life - in the one he wanted and chose himself? I can’t imagine a situation or an event that would make me walk around in such a thick scarf in the summer heat, let’s say.

[VBH]

As a woman who began to wear unusual clothes, I will say. Just my personal experience. It was not a hijab that came, but skirts, shorts below the knees and a top with shoulders and a closed navel. Actually, no one forced, did not force, there was a feeling that you need to be more modest. There was no breakage and no. It didn't get hotter. By the way, if the armhole is wide, then you sweat less than in a tank top. How do residents of hot countries wear flannelette robes in the summer, and is it normal for them (or not flannelette, but seemingly stuffy)? If the desire comes from within, then it is generally easy. In general, they began to get naked like this relatively recently, our ancestors had multi-tiered skirts and a bunch of sweaters. When I see everyday clothes of the 19th century, I think, how did you not faint this summer?))

[Plate]

If the clothes are comfortable and practical, then I understand everything. Well, if so. But otherwise, I believe that someone forced someone.

Quote: VBH

If the desire comes from within, then it is generally easy.

It’s easy for me to run even in a gas mask if the desire comes from within.

[VBH]

I don't understand how you can wear thongs... but since they are bought, it means that someone needs them, and of their own free will. We are all different, that's okay. My son wears pants exclusively on the hips, it is uncomfortable for him if the belt is tightened at the waist. Nobody taught him. I described my experience. How can you agree or disagree with someone else's experience?) The thing is subjective.

[sniperino]

Quote: Plate

What can happen that a person voluntarily puts on uncomfortable clothes after he has been walking in comfortable clothes all his life - in the one he wanted and chose himself?

Did you, for example, decide to wear panties yourself, or did your parents teach you to do this after you ran naked from birth?

[Plate]

My parents taught me when I was not able to object. Therefore, I understand when people wear traditional clothes simply because they were accustomed to this from childhood: they could not oppose anything to this. I asked about cases when an adult already changes something in this regard.
In addition, without panties, the skin in tender places would rub against the pants, I guess.

[sniperino]

Quote: Plate

I asked about cases when an adult already changes something in this regard.

And where did the fantasies about inconvenience and coercion come from? Do you think that a woman can only voluntarily expose her body, but not cover it? I could sympathize with you, but you probably don't need it. You don't understand that modesty is much closer to the nature of a woman than exhibitionism, but unnatural behavior is cultivated in Western countries, if you haven't noticed.

[Plate]

Quote: sniperino

And where did the fantasies about inconvenience and coercion come from?

From the outside, these clothes seemed uncomfortable to me. I was told above that it is quite personal and even more convenient. If so, I can either remain silent or support.

Quote: sniperino

Do you think that a woman can only voluntarily expose her body, but not cover it?

I believe that a woman, like a man, can and should wear what is comfortable for her. By analogy, wearing skirts is incomprehensible to me: the legs get dirty, why not pants? I don't see any advantages, other than the speed of dressing. But for some reason some people wear it. And why long heels on shoes, long hair? Out of curiosity, I tried to get up in high-heeled shoes ... and so someone walks all day? I can't explain this masochism except some kind of pressure.
Well, we, however, are also probably full of all sorts of inconveniences in clothing, quite possibly imposed, which can only be noticed from the outside, so this conversation is two-way.
So I'm not talking about closing or opening the body here. Well, yes, I understand that it is only this person himself who can decide whether clothes are comfortable (the same applies to everything else) or not.

[sniperino]

Quote: Plate

So I'm not talking about closing or opening the body here.

To talk about the inconvenience of the hijab based on what you saw only in the picture, that's another idea. Tell me better, if it were more convenient for you to go to work in the summer without panties, naked (sunburn, the breeze blows, etc.), would you also actively oppose the compulsion to cover your shame? Nudist?

[Plate]

Quote: sniperino

To talk about the inconvenience of the hijab based on what you saw only in the picture, that's another idea.

So I do not pretend to the seriousness of my reasoning.

Quote: sniperino

Tell me better, if it were more convenient for you to go to work in the summer without panties, naked (sunburn, the breeze blows, etc.), would you also actively oppose the compulsion to cover your shame?

If it were more convenient, then it is quite likely that I would have performed.

[sniperino]

Quote: Plate

If it were more convenient, then it is quite likely that I would have performed.

Would you fight for the right to walk naked through the streets of your wife, who is "more comfortable"? .. 13-year-old sister? You would have had more chances in the USA, Canada ... There they are already actively advocating for the right of women to walk down the street with bare breasts, and here - hijabs ... Or are you writing to us in the "Middle Ages" from there?

[Plate]

Quote: sniperino

Would you fight for the right to walk naked through the streets of your wife, who is "more comfortable"? .. 13-year-old sister?

At the age of 13, I would still give her advice on how best to do it, but the last word is still hers. And he wouldn’t even give advice to his wife: he only expressed his opinion and that’s it. It's her decision, not mine. What right do I have to go to her?
I live in Russia, neither in the USA, nor in Canada, nor anywhere else I am not going even against the backdrop of well-known events.

[runway-1]

On the territory of the former USSR for 30 years, against the background of the construction, as a rule, of a specific semi-colonial peripheral capitalism, the processes of westernization and archaization of public consciousness have been struggling, giving rise to social turbulence. That's the whole answer, in a nutshell...

[sniperino]

Quote: WFP-1

the processes of westernization and archaization of public consciousness are struggling

Do you mean progress by "westernization" if you contrast it with archaism? With such progress, with all your West, you will die out faster than you wake up.

[runway-1]

Do you have problems understanding the meaning of what is written? My West is no more than yours. By the way, with "such progress" we are quite (unfortunately) slowly dying out. Don't you notice?

[sniperino]

Quote: WFP-1

Do you have problems understanding the meaning of what is written?

I have no. If the processes of westernization and archaization are struggling, as you write, they can and should be considered as opposites. Do you find any other oppositely directed vectors in them? Indicate on what line the struggle takes place there. And I'll deal with my problems without you.

[Nikolay Malyugin]

"All religions are like fireflies. They shine only when darkness falls on the earth." - Schopenhauer.

[sniperino]

Quote: Nikolay Malyugin

All religions are like fireflies. They only shine when darkness falls on the ground

Schopenhauer is not an authority on this issue because of his mental insanity. This is an irrational philosopher.

The main part of the psychopathological burden was received by Schopenhauer on the paternal side. "Grandpa was stupid." (2, p. 220). Grandmother had a quick temper, and in her old age "fell into madness and was placed under guardianship." Uncle (the eldest son of the previous ones) suffered from dementia from birth. Another uncle, due to various excesses, "became mad, separated from his family." The philosopher's father, Heinrich Floris, was born in 1747, "was very ugly in appearance, possessed by some painful fears, melancholy and a painful passion to change his place of residence ... During a similar fit, caused by imaginary or real monetary losses, Heinrich Floris Schopenhauer threw himself out of the floors of a grain barn into the canal, where he drowned.

And here is an excerpt from a letter from Arthur's mother to her nineteen-year-old son:

...we can both be happy living apart. I have told you more than once that it is very difficult to live with you ... Your eternal discontent, your eternal complaints about what is inevitable, your gloomy appearance, your strange judgments expressed by you, like the sayings of an oracle, also have a truly overwhelming effect on me; All this oppresses me, but does not convince me in the least. Your endless disputes, your eternal complaints about the stupidity of the world and the insignificance of man prevent me from sleeping at night and crush me like a nightmare (7, p. 317).

But the mother of the future philosopher was finally able to show her talent and hosted one of the most famous literary salons in Germany, which was often visited by Goethe and other outstanding writers of that time.
By old age, he began to assert that The World as Will and Representation "was written against his will and without the participation of his consciousness ... In old age, his first, most knowledgeable biographers say, he really looked at this book with bewilderment - as if it were someone else's work" .

[ivan2022]

Quote: Plate

In fact, it's rather strange to keep your customs just for the sake of keeping them. All peoples have developed and are developing. .

Customs are preserved to distinguish strangers from their own.

Not all nations develop. For example, the Russian people also elected general secretaries and now elect presidents for life. Just as exactly as he elected Tsar Mikhail Romanov in 1613.

The historian and cousin of Nicholas II, Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich Romanov, spoke about this. He believed that Russians at the beginning of the 2th century remained exactly the same as they were in the 20th.

[Alexander Ra]

Biologists will say more - Homo sapiens has not changed in 35000 years. And keep such pitiful and ridiculous injections to the Russians to yourself.

[Plate]

Quote: ivan2022

Not all nations develop. For example, the Russian people...

You have an interesting example. The Russian people are definitely not an example of a non-developing people. The list of counterexamples is endless.
You do not want to say here that you think in the same patterns as your ancestors, who lived, for example, at the end of the XNUMXth century.

[smaug78]

Another bottom from my favorite site....

[bk0010]

Damn, the hijab is just a scarf, not a bag with eyes. When and to whom was it forbidden in the USSR to wear a headscarf? In our class, a girl constantly wore a scarf for some time (they shaved her head - she was embarrassed) and nothing happened. And why now suddenly begin to indicate whether it is possible to wear a headscarf or not.

[From Tomsk]

In my Siberian village where I grew up, historically, only Russians and Tatars live. And there are no Uzbeks, no Armenians, no one else. It's just that no one lets them in. And no one wears hijabs there. We do not need guest workers from neighboring countries. This is a coherent immigration policy.

[Dartik]

Quote: From Tomsk

In my Siberian village where I grew up, historically, only Russians and Tatars live. And there are no Uzbeks, no Armenians, no one else. It's just that no one lets them in. And no one wears hijabs there. We do not need guest workers from neighboring countries. This is a coherent immigration policy.

But in Tomsk there are more and more migrants in and girls in headscarves every year, I remember until 2018 I very rarely met, now once a month a couple for sure.

[Master 2030]

Correctly! Let them go naked, like Ferengi women from the start track!))) Author, whose blades are you pouring water on? Themselves said the Muslim native Russians. So why are you driving a wedge on confessional grounds? What are you, a liber?

[sniperino]

Quote: Master2030

Author, on whose blades are you pouring water?

Not the first article and everything to the enemy's mill.

[ALARI]

To God God's Caesar's is Caesar's. Otherwise it will be like in Iran now. There is no need for religion to get into secular affairs and dictate to religion how to dress in a secular state. We left the Middle Ages for too long to return there in 100-150 years. Hijab is not only clothes, as you don't understand, but also brains.

[Master 2030]

And who dictates? Men wear pants because that's the way it is. So what is it? Sexist dictatorship? Let them wear skirts if they want?

[Alister kroulegg]

If one or two orthodox Muslim women in an educational institution in a hijab - that's okay, of course. But the proportion of Muslims in the Russian Federation is growing and soon the Muslim republics may well make the hijab mandatory. Therefore, IMHO, the state should make every effort to ensure that education remains secular. Hijab, whatever one may say, is a religious attribute

[Usher]

Quote: NatiKoshka87

Therefore, in the case of any religion, there must be religious schools where everything is allowed that is prohibited in a secular public school.

Just do not need these obscurantist medieval schools. Especially backward is Islam. They talk such nonsense that their ears wither.

[Believe]

Here's the thing: with culture, and wearing a bag on the body is culture, it is possible to fight only with culture! Prohibitions can restrain the development of certain trends in culture at some level, but to eradicate them or change them, only culture. so that you even go to the OZK., but be kind to observe the norms generally accepted in this society.

[Private SA]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

We must look for a compromise.

And the concept of the word "Reconquista". And Queen Isabella of Castile and King Ferdinand
Aragonese.

[yuriy55]

What countries do you think these millions will come to us from?

I suppose you can attract the inhabitants of the DPRK ...
You would answer the following question: “What kind of labor activity is a woman in a hijab (veil, veil) going to do?”
Excuse me, it's time for some people to revise medieval traditions so as not to get into a mess.
Here the mask mode managed to become boring, and to walk all my life with a closed visor only because it requires it ... (???)

Quote: Million

In the Soviet Union, they somehow managed without hijabs and everyone was fine, there was no discord.

National and religious strife is a sure way to quarrel nations.

[Plate]

Quote: yuriy55

You would answer the following question: “What kind of labor activity is a woman in a hijab (veil, veil) going to do?”

Anyone who does not interfere with the hijab. What's the problem?

Quote: yuriy55

National and religious strife is a sure way to quarrel nations.

It's true. Therefore, I think it is necessary in general to limit the religious education of children until they reach the age at which they can give a conscious answer to whether they need it. Educated people leading a secular way of life will never arrange strife on national and religious grounds.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Plate

Anyone who does not interfere with the hijab. What's the problem?

Enough! The problem is in compliance with the rules of TB and sanitation standards ...

Quote: Plate

It's true. Therefore, I think it is necessary in general to limit the religious education of children until they reach the age at which they can give a conscious answer to whether they need it.

There is complete agreement here. The “truths” and “commandments” hammered into the head in childhood are stored in the memory until death, like ridiculous counting rhymes, teasing and swearing.
I remember how one colleague told why women in the "souths" cover their faces. I will not repeat.
Sometimes, really, you don’t need to see anything in a woman but her eyes.

[Maks1995]

If we ignore the case of the hijab, then the rest is purely an example of unscrupulous PR.
In the west - rampant crime and Islam, what a horror.
We have grace under the wing of EDRA.

Although in fact, half of the people on the street speak non-Russian, children speak obscenities, a not weak share of crime from visitors, and, as in the article, there are more Muslims than in all of Europe.
Moreover, there are purely THEIR regions that can easily, at will, declare Jihad, squeeze out disputed oil-bearing territories, impose sanctions, cancel pension reform, and cancel their own debt for "optimized" gas ...

IMHO, as soon as something happens, and subsidies stop paying, bad things can happen
Considering the clan structure of Muslims and the zombie population ..

[would]

Many mistakenly believe that the Holy Book of the Quran does not say that a woman should cover her head. It is not written in plain text, but this does not mean that there is no such provision in Islam.

On these lines, you can finish reading this article.

1. The Quran really does not say anything about the hijab.
2. There is no such provision in Islam, since there is no single Islam. In each branch they consider it in their own way, somewhere they think that it is optional, somewhere that it is mandatory, and where that the hijab is depravity and the fall (and they can really be killed for it) and you need to wear a cloak.

[kamakama]

Yes, they forget about it. Islam is divided into very different branches and currents, just as Christianity is divided into Catholicism and Orthodoxy. And they are divided into Old Believers, Nikonianism, Protestantism and many other branches. And if you put a Mormon and an Old Believer side by side, then the difference between them will be almost greater than that of a Shiite and a Franciscan

[Cartalon]

We all know how this will end, you can’t argue against demographics, take action, don’t take it.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Plate

You have an interesting example. The Russian people are definitely not an example of a non-developing people. The list of counterexamples is endless.
You do not want to say here that you think in the same patterns as your ancestors, who lived, for example, at the end of the XNUMXth century.

And let's not get personal and not find out other people's desires, if a fundamental issue is being discussed? A discussion with people like you is an example of the fact that a typical type in the 21st century thinks with exactly the same patterns as in the 17th. It is possible to teach to hammer on the keys and a hare. And it makes no sense, as it was not.

You didn’t even understand that it’s not me that needs to be refuted, but the opinion of professional historians; Grand Duke N.M. Romanov or the author of the book "People's Monarchy" I.L. Solonevich ....... Hello for this, Mr. "leavened patriot"

[Dartik]

Russia is a secular state, you need to adhere to this rule.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Secularity does not prohibit this.
Let's make atheism - we will get a religious srach and a lot (only this was not enough for us).

Here it is the same, or to lead, or to offer and move an alternative.

[kamakama]

Regarding the separation of the church from the state - do I understand correctly that EVERY Christian should remove the cross from his neck, every Jew - a kippah, and every Muslim woman - a headscarf - at the entrance to a school or any other state institution?
You just need to be able to answer this question when it is asked. And he will be asked

[Alex66]

Discord, and not only national, is one of the levers for managing the people, for their exploitation. There was no exploitation in the USSR, and there was no need for national strife. Operation returned, there was a need for discord. "Divide and rule."

[amr]

In the Russian Empire, Muslims lived well and wore a hijap!
According to Orthodoxy, a woman should hide in exactly the same way and not only in the church!

What is the problem? our matryonas in miniskirts and boobs are allowed to go outside, but their fatimas in their bags are not allowed ??? what's the problem let them wear it!

[Bogalex]

Obscurantism on the march already on the "Military Review"?

[Usher]

First of all, we are talking about the indigenous population of Siberia.

What??? Where did you find Muslims in Siberia? Khakases (Orthodox, shamanism), Shorytsy the same, Tuvans the same, Buryats (Buddhism, Orthodoxy, shamanism), Yakuts (Orthodoxy, shamanism), etc. so where is your Islam?