Russia against vandalism

Russia against vandalismIn early September, VTsIOM conducted a rather remarkable survey that covered more than one and a half thousand people in the 46 regions of the Russian Federation. The main question of this sociological research was the attitude of the Russians to the expressed possibility of creating the so-called Orthodox troops in Russia. It is noteworthy that the survey was conducted not only in those regions of the federation where the Orthodox faith prevails. In addition, among the respondents were people of all ages, social groups and religious beliefs.


The results, which were published not so long ago, look very impressive. It turned out that the idea of ​​creating Orthodox teams, which would be called upon to protect cultural heritage sites belonging to this faith, is supported by exactly two thirds of Russians - 66%. Of particular interest is the fact that even those Russians who consider themselves to be atheists or followers of other religions, to a certain extent, expressed support for the idea of ​​creating Orthodox squads. In particular, non-believers supported the idea by more than 60%, and representatives of other religious areas (Muslims, Catholics, etc.) expressed their support in 37 cases from 100.

At the same time, those people from among the atheists or adherents, for example, Islam, who supported the idea of ​​creating Orthodox squads, stated that the squads in Russia can be not only Orthodox. In their opinion, it is possible to create associations that will stand on protection from vandals of any religious buildings and monuments of culture and architecture.

It is worth recalling that the very idea of ​​creating Orthodox squads arose in Russia after a real wave of vandalism against Christian shrines: churches were desecrated, crosses cut down, temples doors were set on fire, attacks were made on priests' houses. On the one hand, all these acts are obviously unlawful in nature, and therefore the persons who committed them should be prosecuted by law enforcement agencies. But recent practice shows that law enforcement officers are sometimes simply not able to withstand mass actions to desecrate religious shrines. In this regard, the idea of ​​creating volunteer units that would try to prevent vandal attacks was put forward.

Of course, the idea itself needs legal consolidation, but the fact that the overwhelming majority of Russians support it is an unequivocal precedent in order to reflect on translating the idea into reality. But for its implementation it is necessary to work out the legal status of people who, hypothetically, can become part of the Orthodox squads, it is necessary to outline the framework of their actions in the event of a real counteraction to acts outside the law. All these conditions are designed to establish cooperation between law enforcement agencies and representatives of public organizations wishing to stand guard over the country's cultural heritage.

It should be noted that today attacks on Orthodox churches are committed not only on Russian territory and the territory of neighboring states. Just the other day, the building of the Russian Church of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in Geneva was attacked by vandals. The press service of the diocese of the Russian Orthodox Church abroad reports that vandals, filling the fire extinguisher with paint, smeared one of the sides of the temple, causing damage, including unique stained glass windows. The Church of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross was opened from 1866, and is famous for the wedding of Mikhail Vrubel at the end of the nineteenth century, where Dostoevskaya Sophia, the first daughter of the great Russian writer, was baptized and honored.

The vandals did not spare the memory of these people and painted walls and all the sidewalks leading to the temple with inscriptions.

Waves of vandalism against Orthodox shrines swept directly into Russia. Over the past few months, dozens of illegal actions have been recorded that border on recklessness.

October 4 was sawed Orthodox cross at the Church of St. Nicholas in Pokrovsky. On the same day, the vandals desecrated the altar of the Church of the Intercession of the Blessed Virgin. As part of actions against the ROC, crosses were cut down in Arkhangelsk, Chelyabinsk Region, in other Russian regions, in Ukraine.

In the city of Enschede (the Netherlands) a special festival was held under the name GOGBOT, during which everyone could practice cutting the crosses. Naturally, the most successful in this business were activists of such a movement as FEMEN, which is actively financed by forces trying to solve their political tasks through outrageous tricks of girls, whose activities have long been in need of verification by prosecutors.

It is worth noting that this whole orgy began with that remarkable event, during which the soloists of the now well-known punk band desecrated the main Orthodox church in Russia. Their trick was specifically voiced to create a myth about the political activity of the current "prisoners of conscience."

By the way, the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was desecrated even after the Pussy Riot action. In late September, the 62-year-old ballroom dance teacher from Munich painted two temple icons with paint. Restoration of icons due to the use of paint by the vandal was extremely difficult. It should be noted that all the restoration work on the return of the former appearance of the icons, which are objects of cultural heritage, was carried out for public money, that is, for the money of ordinary Russian taxpayers. His act 62-year-old vandal dancer explained by the fact that he wanted to arrange a dialogue between Christians and Jews. So why did a gentleman from Munich, who, importantly, is registered at a psychiatric clinic (this apparently does not prevent him from teaching the art of dance), did not promote the idea of ​​dialogue in his city and in his house? Why did he need Moscow specifically? ..

In general, listing the shares of vandals of recent times, you unwittingly side with the people who are ready to fight back this peculiar obscurantism. Let's hope that in this plan a sober legislative decision will be born, filled with real legal thought.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 22 October 2012 07: 56 New
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    Any phenomenon, any idea or thought, or a business uniting Russians is a good thing!
    1. NUT
      NUT 22 October 2012 08: 49 New
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      Quote: Ardent
      Any phenomenon, any idea or thought, or a business uniting Russians is a good thing!

      and this is understood by those walruses with whom we do not drink, who seized power over the Earth and Russian People.
      And by this, the smallest attempt of Holy Russia, the Right-Glorious, to rise from its knees, get out of shit, to the bud, will be suppressed with red-hot iron, moreover, on a legal basis, by their walruses, composed for us by laws ...
      “Both today and in the ancient world, Jews are invariably an active enzyme of decay / destruction / of other nationalities ...”
      THEODOR MOMMZEN / 1817 - 1903 / German historian
      1. bask
        bask 22 October 2012 17: 58 New
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        The answer is simpler. I cut the CROSS, we found a bastard, (ku))). Next to dig the count. At the count with ........ Everything ... ,, the problem, solved !!!
    2. Civil 22 October 2012 08: 56 New
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      1. The army and the navy unite, where all are less or less equal, the rest is failure, someone is rich, someone is poor, someone is a communist who is a Nazi, who is just an aggressively obedient majority ... who has oil rigs who have a disability of the 1st group ...

      2. Stupidity in covering dances in the HHS is the product of telebonds floating with money, and as a result, a short term for a bully and the image of those offended by the powerful ...
  2. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 22 October 2012 08: 31 New
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    Any active action aimed at discrediting the Russian Orthodox faith, the Russian spirit and culture has always generated opposition from the Russian people ... The creation of Orthodox squads is only a temporary response to provocateurs and vandals who encroached on the soul of Russia .... The authorities are obliged to make a choice, either they protect the Russian national faith from the "hands of the West", or the Russians, like other nations, will be forced to defend themselves ....
    1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 09: 50 New
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      Quote: Gorchakov
      The authorities are obliged to make a choice,

      some Slavs have already done and they are not alone
      1. WW3
        WW3 22 October 2012 15: 33 New
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        Yushchenko - Judas, betrayed everything that could be betrayed.
    2. Ascetic 22 October 2012 10: 15 New
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      Quote: Gorchakov
      The authorities are obliged to make a choice, either they protect the Russian national faith from the "hands of the West", or the Russians, like other nations, will be forced to defend themselves ....


      There is an example from our story about which many do not know - "Sacred squad" the organization created with the consent of Alexander III immediately after the murder of his august parent, Alexander II. And the name is good, and the track record is not bad, it was thanks to the actions of the SD that the revolutionary organizations Earth and Freedom and Black Redistribution were defeated.
      "Sacred Druzhina" for the first time in Russian practice began what today is called the information war. Three press organs were published: two underground, in Geneva, Volnoe Slovo and Pravda, and the legal newspaper Moscow Telegraph. Like any war, she dictated her own rules. Including covering up their maneuvers, misleading the enemy, etc.
      The history of the "Sacred Squad" is a curious episode in the life of the Russian Empire. This is a kind of performance in the arena of the political struggle of certain public circles for suppression of the terrorist threat.
      Liberal parties are likely to lose their real, unsteady and temporarily random soil, their passion and embark on the path where they will harmlessly serve the deceased with explanations of various social needs; and with a change in the nature of the liberal parties, the revolutionary parties will, of course, soon feel their isolation, the lack of contingent to replenish their ranks, which, regardless of their normal weakening by the police, is likely to force them to join the liberal parties, on the basis of harmless to the political system and public safety.

      My webpage
      As we see the tasks and reasons for creating such movements are relevant now. The actions of the liberal pack of human rights defenders from the fifth column directed not against the church but against Russia and the entire Russian people.
      The task of globalists is the destruction of national cultures and states around the world, with the aim of unhindered access to their resources. And the destruction is done through liberalism
      1. Hon
        Hon 22 October 2012 13: 02 New
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        Do not remind what confession Gapon belonged to?
        1. Magadan 22 October 2012 13: 10 New
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          To the same as Judas Iscariot. And General Vlasov was a Red Army soldier. What's next?
          1. Hon
            Hon 22 October 2012 13: 50 New
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            This is about the unifying power of Orthodoxy. By the way, the Holy Synod at its meeting on February 26 refused to call on the Orthodox laity not to participate in riots and demonstrations. This is me about 17 years.
    3. dimanf
      dimanf 22 October 2012 12: 09 New
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      Quote: Gorchakov
      The authorities are obliged to make a choice, either they protect the Russian national faith from the "hands of the West", or the Russians, like other nations, will be forced to defend themselves ....

      but in my opinion they made their choice and not in favor of the RUSSIAN.
      We will defend ourselves.
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 22 October 2012 15: 18 New
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        Zhidovo riots in Russia have already happened, and we also experienced a great turmoil. We survive and this evil.
        And to be honest, I’m very scared.
        There is a very powerful spiritual substitution. They so ganged up on us that the Orthodox stand and for the most part are not tempted like this in the west.
        The other day I read in a foreign language, one lesbian who considers herself a Christian requires that Christianity change, because see if she is what she is.
        This is the height of cenicism, the height of pride, so be it, I will enter your society, but you make it so that it would be convenient for me. If you consider yourself a Christian but at the same time you are a lesbian and they say that this is unacceptable to a Christian, either quit lesbianism if you want to be a Christian, or stamp on the abscissa of OX.
        And we Russians still stand, do our best not to succumb to maral decomposition, and the church helps us if only because you come to confession, say “stole” and someone openly says “you're wrong”, next time you think about stealing or not .
        Here’s an example from my own life, I came to my office of the deputy doctor of a private sharazhka who rented space in our clinic, after 30 years, and let’s drive the blizzard that they opened the massage service and asked me to send patients to it, not for thanks dear, and for 1000 rubles from each.
        Considering that I have 3-10 new patients a day, and multiply by 21 working days, after six months a Mercedes looms, and after a year maybach. Honestly, I didn’t go to medicine to breed teenagers like the last suckers. I had to very softly and culturally explain that we, as it were, have our own free and indeed it’s not Christian.
        And if I had been spawned without deer and morality, perhaps now I would have lived happily bred you and your children. But no, we’ll still fight for Russia, they’re afraid of waging war with us with weapons, they know that without options, try to impose spiritual warfare, but with which sword they came to us, they will die. Fuck them bald, and not the decomposition of Russian society
  3. Ivan Krasov
    Ivan Krasov 22 October 2012 08: 42 New
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    If the authorities cannot protect their people, then they themselves must be able to protect themselves.
  4. Averias 22 October 2012 08: 50 New
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    The creation of Orthodox squads, in addition to protecting and protecting against vandalism, carries the very unity that we are so lacking and which the Western "well-wishers" and democrats are so persistently trying to erase. But here’s what bothers me, forgive my friends and do not judge me without understanding. The fact that the majority of the people agree is pleasing, the question is different when it comes to the specifics before the creation of these squads. Who will go to them? Wouldn’t it be that I agree, yes, this is a necessary matter, but you are somehow like that, okay? Let someone else be on friendly terms. My hut is on the edge, I can’t, why am I and so on. We are all eager for statements and consent, as long as this does not concern us personally. And here a problem arises. All patriots are in words, but how it came down to the matter - we are gone. There are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders (V. Vysotsky).
    1. Armata 22 October 2012 08: 56 New
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      Quote: Averias
      All patriots are in words, but how it came down to the matter - we are gone. There are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders (V. Vysotsky).
      Now you will be recorded as provocateurs. But it is indisputable to catch and punish such people. But again, this will not go into lynching?
    2. Igor
      Igor 22 October 2012 09: 06 New
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      Quote: Averias
      The fact that most people agree - it pleases


      But I’m against it! Why should I patrol the streets, for example, when we have so many different services that pay salaries from my taxes. It might be easier to disperse all these laborers in uniform and get new ones.
      1. Armata 22 October 2012 09: 11 New
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        Quote: Igorek
        But I am against it!

        Quote: Igorek
        It may be easier to disperse all these laborers in uniform and gain new ones.
        The first time I hear that Orthodox symbols and temples are desecrated in Kazakhstan request
        1. Igor
          Igor 22 October 2012 09: 21 New
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          I’m on a business trip here.
          1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 09: 45 New
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            Quote: Igorek
            I’m on a business trip here.

            That we already understood, passing from Berdichev
            1. Igor
              Igor 22 October 2012 10: 08 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              That we already understood, passing from Berdichev


              Yiiinah trick!
              1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 10: 16 New
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                Oh well. Go on, can you write something else?
                1. Igor
                  Igor 22 October 2012 10: 27 New
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                  And do not write to me anymore, otherwise I will send it further.
                  1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 10: 34 New
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                    Quote: Igorek
                    And don’t write to me anymore, otherwise I'll send it even further

                    Wow, what a formidable one, only I don’t write to you, if you notice warnings, I’m sending you letters, that is, they’ll ban you
                    1. Igor
                      Igor 22 October 2012 10: 47 New
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                      Quote: Vadivak
                      Wow, how terrible, but I don’t write to you


                      A moderator with a split personality, one of his personality does not even suspect that he is creating a second laughing

                      Quote: Vadivak
                      that is, you will be banned for using foul language


                      Horror, horror, I'm already afraid laughing
                      1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 11: 00 New
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                        Continue to humor, and I will take patronage over you.
      2. Averias 22 October 2012 09: 31 New
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        Here the question is more philosophical. I meant that the consciousness of citizens was still not completely scattered by the ideas of a "free" life, mores, and democratic "values." The idea of ​​community is present in the minds of the people. And at the expense of the squads, of course everything is debatable, such issues as the powers of these squads, what to protect, where to protect, in the end there must be some kind of min.financing (and this is immediately a scam), will there be support for the security forces and much more. If you make such a mechanism, then make it debugged and not on bare enthusiasm.
        1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 09: 58 New
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          Quote: Averias
          The idea of ​​community is present in the minds of the people.


          I am not a supporter of internationalism (except blood relations with the Slavs) internationalism is a fiction, the Lord in the process of history divided the peoples and how not to unite them will turn out this
          1. Hon
            Hon 22 October 2012 10: 02 New
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            So, God is also a Jew!
            1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 10: 06 New
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              Quote: Hon
              So Lord is also a Jew


              Well, comrade voiced what I wrote with the pictures above, which was required to prove
            2. Armata 22 October 2012 10: 30 New
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              Quote: Hon
              So Lord is also a Jew
              Do not confuse Christ and God. These are different concepts. Christ is a man (the son of God) as well as Mohamed and others.
              1. Hon
                Hon 22 October 2012 10: 39 New
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                And why, then, all the same, the Jews are God's chosen nation? After all, Christianity was brought to us by foreigners in fact. And why did Russia flourish before the adoption of Christianity?
                1. Armata 22 October 2012 10: 50 New
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                  Quote: Hon
                  And why, then, all the same, the Jews are God's chosen nation?
                  They themselves called it that. After all, there are among Russians, Ukrainians, those who believe that they are God's chosen.
                  Quote: Hon
                  And why did Russia flourish before the adoption of Christianity?
                  Well, even after adoption, she did not live in poverty.
                2. Vadivak 22 October 2012 10: 52 New
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                  Quote: Hon
                  And why, then, all the same, the Jews are God's chosen nation?



                  Because they believed in one God, and there were pagans around, the Lord chose them to serve and how they served is written in the Bible
                  Quote: Hon
                  And why did Russia flourish before the adoption of Christianity?


                  Within the Polyana Principality?
                3. Flooding 22 October 2012 11: 04 New
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                  Well, there was one courage. And I thought, when will the pagans pile up?

                  Quote: Hon
                  And why did Russia flourish before the adoption of Christianity?

                  Iron argument, very beloved by all neopagans. Is there any evidence for this?
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 22 October 2012 11: 36 New
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                    Campaigns of Russia to Constantinople, the way from the Varangians to the Greeks. Cities built allegedly without the existence of statehood. By the way, before the treaties with Byzantium in Russia there was no death penalty. For some reason, the fragmentation of Russia occurred precisely after the adoption of Christianity.
                    1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 13: 04 New
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                      Quote: Hon
                      By the way, before the treaties with Byzantium in Russia there was no death penalty


                      As well as polygamy, sacrifice, princely concubines, fear of Varangian mercenaries.
                      Didn’t you hear about Igor’s execution by the Drevlyans? Read
                      1. Hon
                        Hon 22 October 2012 13: 16 New
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                        Why is polygamy bad? Who are the Vikings to the end is not known. Most likely this is the common name of mercenaries in Russia, among which were both Scandinavians and Slavs. There were also Varangian squads in Byzantium. It was unprofitable to constantly maintain a large army, therefore, to replenish it in case of war, they resorted to the services of the Varangians.
                    2. Bigriver 22 October 2012 13: 05 New
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                      You mistakenly consider the Christianization of Russia a certain border.
                      This process lasted for centuries.
                      But Russia simply could not split up before the start of the process for an objective reason.
                      There was nothing to break up.
                4. vadimN 22 October 2012 11: 32 New
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                  Quote: Hon
                  And why, then, all the same, the Jews are God's chosen nation?


                  The Lord directed his son Jesus to the Jewish people, for he saw that this people lived in an unrighteous way. And Jesus was to reason with the people of Israel and set the right path. But in the end, the people of Israel crucified Jesus with the hands of the Romans, and adapted their teachings in order to enslave other nations, first spiritually, then materially. What is happening to this day is very successful.
                  Read the Old Testament carefully and critically and add illustrations from the Forbes list ...
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 22 October 2012 11: 50 New
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                    I read only some extracts from the Old Testament. I didn’t read everything. I’m not a Jew to read their religious literature. You can safely ban as extremist literature!
                    1. yevgen2001
                      yevgen2001 23 October 2012 10: 36 New
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                      In this “work”, direct calls for the murder of women and the murder of infants and the elderly are especially “pleasing”. Al Qaeda nervously smokes in the hallway laughing
                      1. snek
                        snek 23 October 2012 10: 44 New
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                        Quote: yevgen2001
                        In this "work", direct calls for the murder of women, the murder of infants and the elderly are especially "pleasing"

                        There is also a description of incest and gerantophilia.
              2. Vadivak 22 October 2012 10: 47 New
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                Quote: Mechanic
                Do not confuse Christ and God. These are different concepts. Christ is a man (the son of God) as well as Mohamed and others.

                Eugene read the definition of the Holy Trinity
                1. Armata 22 October 2012 11: 10 New
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                  Greetings Vadim.
                  Trinity (Greek Αγία Τριάδα, lat. Trinitas) is a theological term that reflects the Christian doctrine of the trinity (trinity) of the One God. The term Trinity was first witnessed by Theophilus of Antioch (II century):
                  "The three days that were before the creation of the stars, are the images of the Trinity, God and His Word and His Wisdom."
                  This is what I found the first. Although I myself believe that God exists, I am far from the church and apparently do not understand much.
                  1. Vadivak 22 October 2012 13: 11 New
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                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Although I myself believe that God exists, I’m far from the church


                    Hi Zhenya, if you believe you will come to the Church, this word means community, that is, a meeting of like-minded people no more no less
                    1. Armata 22 October 2012 20: 15 New
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                      Quote: Vadivak
                      Hi Zhenya, if you believe you will come to the Church, this word means community, that is, a meeting of like-minded people no more no less
                      Vadim never. Especially after some kirya, hell knows who appointed appointed me, the Slav and my wife and my children barbarians and people of 2 grade (I am Slav and my wife is also Slav). Not until my conscience is clear, then God is with me. And I am not going to believe these creatures that insult my family, my nation. These creatures (including the Russian Orthodox Church under Cyril (during Alexis 2 this was not the case, he exalted the Russians and the Slavs on the contrary)) are trying to trample us into the mud, and they are doing this systematically and effectively. The bandunks in the church are absolved of sins, the bankers ask for income, and the "priests" read akafestas for them and pray for them (more precisely, the natives pray for them (and the nuns don’t disdain)
                      1. vadimN 23 October 2012 10: 39 New
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                        Quote: Mechanic
                        Especially after some kirya, hell knows who appointed appointed me, the Slav and my wife and my children barbarians and people of 2 grade


                        The unprofitable leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church with its deeds does much more for the collapse of Orthodoxy than some fools like Pussy-Wright and others like them ...

                        God has one, but the providers divorced ... and everyone pulls a blanket over themselves.
              3. Allegedly 22 October 2012 10: 48 New
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                I do not agree, Christ and the Messiah mean the same thing, only in different languages. And if we already talked about Jesus, Yeshua, Jesus, Jesus (again, the difference is only in the language), then he was the son of God (the LIVING GOD), while Mohammed, Muhammad or Mohammed (the difference is only what language the person speaks) is prophet, I do not criticize and insult other people's religious feelings. The Prophet, moreover, a foreign religion. And whether she is right or wrong, her followers decide, and it is they who, with their way of life, decency and virtue, can prove to us that they are on the right track. The only way. You will know them by their fruits. And murders and terrorism do not contribute to this ...
              4. vadimN 22 October 2012 11: 25 New
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                Quote: Mechanic
                Do not confuse Christ and God. These are different concepts. Christ is a man (the son of God) as well as Mohamed and others.


                Dear, did you even understand what you wrote? If Christ is a Jew, and at the same time a son of God, then who is God himself?

                Of course, I do not argue - Christ is Jewish, but attributing a specific nationality to God would not be reasonable ... God is one over all people, he is national.
        2. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 22 October 2012 15: 25 New
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          Here is your first mistake. Society is already corrupted by democratic values, in any case you are already corrupted (no offense)
          For initially you are considering this option not on sheer enthusiasm, i.e. on self-sacrifice and self-giving of a person, and on a completely mercenary goal to fuck at least a little from this.
          I don’t think that it will kill a lot from a person if at least once a week for free for the sake of an idea he walks a couple of hours down the street, in any case there are many people whom time allows.
      3. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 22 October 2012 15: 21 New
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        In vain you will, while you disperse those who are and recruit new ones, they will devour Russia. We must take everything into our own hands now, and solve problems as they become available. You’re at the forefront when a tank rushing at you most likely grabs for a grant, but don’t look into the sight of anti-aircraft guns, is there an airplane flying there? So here ...
  5. zadorin1974 22 October 2012 08: 53 New
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    the fact that the people themselves begin to unite is just wonderful
  6. NUT
    NUT 22 October 2012 08: 55 New
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    "Save your Temples and Sanctuaries from the scolding of the Gentiles, if you do not save the Shrines of the Holy Race and the Faith of your Ancestors, you will be visited by years of sorrow and resentment with suffering ..."
    The commandments of GOD PERUN.
    1. Flooding 22 October 2012 11: 06 New
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      Quote: NUT
      if you do not save the Faith of your Ancestors, years of sorrow and resentment with suffering will visit you ...

      Here I agree with your perun.
      Orthodox, save the Holy Faith of our great-grandfathers!
      1. Hon
        Hon 22 October 2012 11: 38 New
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        It is strange to believe in a holy Jew!
        1. NUT
          NUT 22 October 2012 12: 32 New
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          Quote: Hon
          It is strange to believe in a holy Jew!
          it’s not only strange, but sometimes it doesn’t work out either, like turning the other cheek ... it’s recommended in that scripture. And the soul and body of the Russian is nevertheless closer and dearer:
          "It is not permissible to forgive the one who intentionally commits evil, for evil that is left without punishment is multiplied, and the blame for the multiplied evil lies with the one who left the perpetrator of evil not punished."
          The commandments of God are ONE.
          "What deeds people will do to you, so are you to do to them, for each action is measured by its measure."
          Commandments of God Svarog
          "Do not give, people, good for the evil done to you, because if you give good for evil, then what you will become good for good."
          The commandments of God are ONE.
          Well, our folk - "eye - for the eye, tooth - for the tooth" - no one has yet disputed or canceled
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          It is strange to believe in a holy Jew!

          Are you surprised by the fact that a Jew can even be a saint?
          Or the fact of "faith in a Jew"? Or the coincidence of these two strange cases in your opinion? If you already started discrediting a huge stratum of Russian culture, then take the trouble to write more than two lines about campaigns in Constantinople.
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        NUT 22 October 2012 12: 04 New
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        And we live this hour
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        years of sorrow and resentment with suffering ...
        ?
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          NUT,
          Do you ascribe your words to me? Good juggling))
  7. andrei332809 22 October 2012 09: 07 New
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    in Russia, a monument was opened to the vandals. Vandals are at a loss.
    but in general, it seems to me that public corporal punishment was canceled in vain. plant woodpeckers, they are only advertising, fined, right there sponsors with wallets will come to the rescue, but to flog on the area - hunting will beat off nonsense for a long time
    1. scrabler 22 October 2012 09: 28 New
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      I support with both hands! Pour so that only they could sleep on the belly! and it hurts and offends others to science!
      1. Hon
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        So go to Pakistan. Faith and public corporal punishment will be there. And all that is necessary to sacrifice a piece of skin)
  8. dirty trick 22 October 2012 10: 08 New
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    flog on the area - hunting will beat off nonsense for a long time

    I support! if every oligophrenic will know what exactly his ass will answer for, then the whole "creative opposition" will vanish!
    Well, if ours miles the police will not be able to achieve a similar effect, it remains only to suppress such actions by the forces of ordinary citizens, such as you and I. By the way, it’s not necessary to fight vandals, you can do this:
    1. Allegedly 22 October 2012 20: 23 New
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      In no case do not have to beat anyone, only with resistance during detention, we are not animals. Do not give hamsters or "rabid vaginas" stands for the press or other PR. Three years for Siberia for participants, ten for organizers. Everything should be civilized and sterile (even handcuffs), no one shouts at the detainees and no one hits them. A police doctor checks the pulse regularly. Hot pursuit of the court and the real time. The next action violates laws, public order and moral standards, and again the term. And not a covered march, but logging, mines or quarries in Siberia. I will attach once again the photo of what they are doing with their hamsters in the States. It is possible and necessary to adopt from them all the good and the good ...
  9. Flooding 22 October 2012 11: 17 New
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    Orthodox squads ... needed? In what form? For what purpose? Under whose patronage?
    It seems to me that the given format greatly limits the functions and powers.
    And then there will be Muslim squads? Buddhist?
    It is necessary to create national teams, which will not only twist the hands of senile dancers and frantic femins, but also clean the yards of drug addicts and drunks, gopot and other evil spirits.
    That is, you need something system-forming, uniting the Russians, acting on behalf of the public.
    And although the heart says “YES” to the Orthodox squads, the mind tells us that in our conditions such a step will not bring the desired result.
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      Quote: Flood
      And although the heart says “YES” to the Orthodox squads, the mind tells us that in our conditions such a step will not bring the desired result.

      Orthodoxy is not only a fact of baptism in the Orthodox Church and a formal visit to services, it is a way of thinking where the commandments of Christ live in a person organically with his "I". Such people are visible even in the eyes. I read from someone that the children were playing the game, who guessed the crowd of Russian emigrants, and, imagine, they were never mistaken. There will be many aggressive people in the squads, far from the concepts of humility and love for one's neighbor. If someone is beaten, then this will primarily harm the soul of the combatant. Will a beat help the beaten? I doubt it. Although opposing the power of the defilers is certainly necessary.
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        yevgen2001 23 October 2012 10: 48 New
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        For some reason, those who speak out in favor of the Orthodox squads are surely going to beat someone and clean the yards from ...
        Why so much hatred and aggressiveness, inquisitors?
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    Well, I would like to see volunteers after work in the squads lol
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    Skavron 22 October 2012 11: 42 New
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    Shrines ...
    In my city, metalworkers vandals ripped out a huge metal star mounted in a monument to the liberating soldiers and put it on metal. I consider this an insult to the shrine, for the feat of our grandfathers is sacred to me. They did not find these vandals, but they were unlikely to be looking for them especially.
    That's how we live, friends. Now I'm afraid that the t-70 standing on a pedestal will be cut!
  12. Goldmitro 22 October 2012 13: 08 New
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    The desecration of Orthodox shrines is one of the directions of the Western civilization's crusade against Russia. Its goal is the decomposition of Russia by replacing it for centuries with the traditions that have developed and are supported in the struggles of value guidelines for market liberal-tolerant-piderate values ​​promoted by Western shit-democrats. All methods are good for this, the benefit of our liberal legislation is that it allows: an image of h .... on the bridge in St. Petersburg, dancing in the temple of possessed "little things", cutting down crosses, and sexually-toiletry "performances" of the so-called "modern" "the art of promoter Gelfand, etc., designed to stimulate base instincts in Russians. Therefore, there is a natural desire to defend themselves against such an invasion of all shit by creating, for example, Orthodox squads, by stuffing "other ..." one other performance promoter. After all, it is necessary to defend somehow, if the authorities are in no hurry to protect society from all this infection.
    1. Uncle 22 October 2012 16: 24 New
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      The desecration of Orthodox shrines - this is one of the directions of the crusade of Western civilization in Russia

      I agree, I recall that in 1242, Alexander Nevsky routed the crusaders who tried to subjugate Russia to Rome.
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    After all, it is necessary to defend somehow, if the authorities are in no hurry to protect society from all this infection.

    This is not about society. The Russian people are not spoiled by the attention and guardianship of their servants. No, the last three decades have survived on their own.
    Here we are already talking about the future of the state, from which the foundation of culture and traditions is knocked out.
  14. Boris55 22 October 2012 13: 51 New
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    Vandalism is badbut who allowed cross grave anywhere to put? Or is it church land around? or are there no Gentiles nearby? or churchmen mark territory so?

    1. Uncle 22 October 2012 16: 25 New
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      but who allowed grave crosses anywhere to put?

      And here I put the Cross in nickname, pus sanctifies this site!
    2. APASUS 22 October 2012 19: 44 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      Vandalism is bad, but who allowed grave crosses anywhere to put? Or is it church land around? or are there no Gentiles nearby? or churchmen mark territory so?

      And you did not hear what a worship cross ??
      The custom to establish worship crosses dates back to ancient times. In Russia, worship crosses were placed at special memorial places, at crossroads, not far from villages and villages, so that when leaving on a journey or entering a village, a person offered a prayer of thanks to the Lord and heavenly intercessors. The obedient cross is a spiritual shield from all enemies visible and invisible. Orthodox Orthodox Crosses are most often found wooden, less often - stone four-pointed or cast. They can be decorated with carvings and ornaments. Unchanged remains their Orthodox content and orientation to the east.
      But for such things ................... you should flog with rods !!!!!!!

      Stones are usually laid at the foot of the Cross so that a slight elevation is obtained, which symbolizes Mount Golgotha, on which Jesus Christ was crucified. The worshiped Crosses, meaning some kind of memorable and significant places, serve as a believing place for prayer. At present, worship crosses are mainly installed at the places of future churches, at the entrances and exits to the city, so that the traveler could pray on the road.
    3. Allegedly 22 October 2012 20: 36 New
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      In Russia, Russian blood has already been shed so much by Russia that crosses can be placed everywhere, on every square millimeter. God forbid the swamps to seize upon power, and there will be free blood, it will be fucking rivers. Here you will please amers laughing
  15. Flooding 22 October 2012 13: 56 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    Vandalism is bad, but who allowed grave crosses anywhere to put? Or is it church land around? or are there no Gentiles nearby?

    Do you think that the cross on the municipal territory is put up without coordination with the relevant authorities? Or do you think that there will be more than one or two out of a hundred people like you if you had organized a survey of citizens about the installation of the cross?
    1. Boris55 22 October 2012 14: 05 New
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      You know, there were a lot of conversations about cross-talk. But there is not a single word or document about the legality of their installation - no. Once again, I am against vandalism.
  16. Isk1984 22 October 2012 14: 16 New
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    You know, I don’t want to offend anyone, but most hypocrites who beat and defend the faith, something under the USSR none of you scolded and rushed, who studied in the Komsomol and in the party and scientific communism, and my great-grandfather and grandfather said "God he loves the rich, "and it was bequeathed to set up graves on the grave, but stars because they believed that a better life could be built on earth by loving the Motherland and giving it all its strength and not hoping that it would be better in heaven, or someone would decide everything for them , these were men, not God's slaves they lived built they thought about great projects and they ruled in them, but we understand modern life and with the praise of religions and churches, society is falling apart, What values ​​do you defend from the West, you betrayed them a long time ago in 91 for chewing gum, etc. most consume products (in the broad sense these words) Western origin ....
    Faith in God will not save you ... the rocket has already survived well, the will of God has fallen, then we are rolling into the abyss of senility ....
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      I support the thought. It also looks strange to me when people believed in communism and then abruptly became Orthodox. In Petrozavodsk, on Lenin Square, there is a monument to him, so what kind of two ram does he interfere with. They spoke on TV and wanted to move the monument somewhere, and rename the square. Why? As a resident of the city, he does not bother me.
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    Quote: Isk1984
    You know, I don’t want to offend anyone, but most hypocrites who beat and defend the faith, something under the USSR none of you scolded and rushed, who studied in the Komsomol and in the party and scientific communism, and my great-grandfather and grandfather said "God he loves the rich, "and it was bequeathed to set up graves on the grave, but stars because they believed that a better life could be built on earth by loving the Motherland and giving it all its strength and not hoping that it would be better in heaven, or someone would decide everything for them , these were men, not God's slaves they lived built they thought about great projects and update themselves in them

    Firstly, here the conversation is not so much about faith as about a respectful attitude to the culture and religion of one’s own people. It's strange to read your words. This is understood as support for the actions of these obsessed?
    Secondly, in addition to your ancestors, hundreds of thousands and millions of other equally respected people participated in the construction and strengthening of the country, many of whom are Orthodox. Or can their contribution be rejected?
    You, dear, 84th year of birth? Then do not blame those who saw more than yours so indiscriminately.
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      No one in their right mind will support people who destroy monuments.
  18. v53993 22 October 2012 14: 55 New
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    Stanislav Kunyaev:

    good must be with fists
    Good must be harsh
    To flew wool shreds
    From all who climb for good ...
  19. Darn
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    I am most annoyed by some personalities who would have to destroy something in order to become famous. They can’t do anything.
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      I agree, it would be better if (harmless) they became famous after falling under the horse as the well-known hero of Chekhov or Ostap Bender.
  20. Uncle 22 October 2012 16: 40 New
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    Regarding the saw cutters of crosses and pieces, I’ll say sincerely that you will not envy their fate. Maybe nothing special shakes with them, but the children will pay for everything in full. The Lord tries to cure the soul of a person, but very often it has become coarser and does not perceive its blows as it should, does not feel them or draws proper conclusions. But when the beloved little man is sick, then there comes an understanding of a lot. God suffers for a long time, but it hurts. In the monastery you meet different people, mutilated fates, you will not wish the enemy. All kinds of thieves, killers, sorcerers, cops, drug addicts, etc., all seek salvation in God. So the road of repentance is open for little ones, the sooner the better for their children. I think that their actions are not so much conscious as from stupidity. It is much more complicated with those who directed them, who corrupts our Russian, and not Russian, people. Those will be fine, in this world, anyway. The Lord completely departed from them.
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      That's what always struck me (especially as an atheist) is the complete ignorance of the so-called "Orthodox" of their own religion.
      Quote: Uncle
      Regarding the saw cutters of crosses and pieces, I’ll say sincerely that you will not envy their fate. Maybe nothing special shakes with them, but the children will pay for everything in full.

      well, as if, firstly,
      The Prophet Ezekiel, refuting on behalf of the Almighty, the widespread notions of his time, announces the personal responsibility of each person to God. Neither the righteousness of the father will save the son, nor the sin of the father will destroy the son; the righteousness of the son will not save the father, and the sin of the son will not destroy the father. God, therefore, builds relationships with each person individually.

      you can still read an article from "Orthodoxy and the world" on this topic:
      http://www.pravmir.ru/rasplachivayutsya-li-deti-za-grexi-roditelej-1/
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      God suffers for a long time, but it hurts.

      Wow. And I thought, “God is love” (First conciliar epistle of the Holy Apostle John the Evangelist, chapter 4 verses 8 and 16).
      Although it may be your way, it means he loves ...
      Quote: Uncle
      All kinds of thieves, killers, sorcerers, cops, drug addicts, etc.

      Our people love the servants of the Law ...
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        Quote: snek
        Wow. And I thought, “God is love” (First conciliar epistle of the Holy Apostle John the Evangelist, chapter 4 verses 8 and 16).
        Although it may be your way, it means he loves ...


        And you, my friend, are you punishing your children? Or bring up by European standards?
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          And you, my friend, are you punishing your children? Or bring up by European standards?

          If physical punishment is meant, then no, I do not punish. I want the children to respect me for being smarter and with more experience than they are, and not for the fact that I can embed something. I was raised without beating, so I can’t understand how the hand can rise on a child at all.
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            Quote: snek
            If physical punishment is meant, then no, I do not punish. I want the children to respect me for being smarter and with more experience than they are, and not for the fact that I can embed something.

            A punishment is only physical? Or was Uncle talking specifically about physical punishment? Or didn’t it come to your mind?
            It’s interesting, I didn’t stutter about corporal punishment. It is you who are talking about this, and it is you SO who interpret the words of the Uncle.
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              snek 23 October 2012 10: 42 New
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              Quote: Flood
              A punishment is only physical? Or was Uncle talking specifically about physical punishment? Or didn’t you think of anything else? It’s interesting, I didn’t stutter about corporal punishment. It is you who are talking about this, and it is you SO who interpret the words of the Uncle.

              First - I did not answer uncle, but to you.
              The second:
              Quote: Uncle
              God suffers for a long time, but it hurts beats

              The verb "beat" is primarily the infliction of bodily harm. Of course, in the God-man relationship, this verb can also have a metaphorical meaning (although why I should not punish a person on earth when he has been waiting for trillions of years in hell). But you transferred (with a quote) this question to the parent-child relationship system, and here the verb “beat” can have only one meaning.
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            yevgen2001 23 October 2012 11: 06 New
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            Not for nothing they say, beats means love. Beats hard - loves a lot. Will beat to death - loves to death. wassat
            It’s scary to imagine how much blood these teams will shed only on the basis that someone has a different worldview.
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              Quote: yevgen2001
              It’s scary to imagine how much blood these teams will shed only on the basis that someone has a different worldview.

              Well, this is how Habakkuk’s life came to an end:
              At this time, his associates were executed. Avvakum was punished with a whip and exiled to Pustozersk on Pechora (1667). At the same time, they did not cut out his tongue, like Lazarus and Epiphanius, with whom he and Nicephorus, Protopop of Simbirsk, were exiled to Pustozersk.
              He spent 14 years on bread and water in an earthen prison in Pustozersk, continuing his sermon, sending letters and letters. Finally, his sharp letter to Tsar Fyodor Alekseevich, in which he criticized Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich and scolded Patriarch Joachim, decided the fate of both him and his comrades: they were all burned in a log house in Pustozersk.

              And he offered only a slightly different look at the same thing. What they will do with the representatives of other religions or atheists is even scary to think.
              In general, it’s funny how all the branches of Christianity (including Orthodoxy) unitedly put on the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” (it’s ridiculous to talk about all kinds of “turn the other cheek”).
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                Extremism in its purest form. Rather, its variety, namely:
                Religious extremism is manifested intolerance to representatives of other faiths or in fierce confrontation within the framework of one denomination. Spiritual extremism is focused on isolationism, rejects experience, achievements of another culture, imposes certain social, religious, ethnic standards as an official ideology.
                So, extremism is a complex social phenomenon characterized by a commitment to extreme views and actions, including a variety of forms and manifestations of radicalism.
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                  Quote: yevgen2001
                  So, extremism is a complex social phenomenon.

                  The phenomenon is rather all of you, with your unbelief, denial and willingness to do what you condemn religion for - to burn, destroy, to dirt.
                  But strangely enough, a phenomenon repeating itself in the history of our state with frightening regularity. And the bells were thrown off, and the temples were destroyed, and the priests were abused ... And what else lies ahead - only the Almighty knows.
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                Quote: snek
                Well, here is how Avvakum’s life came to an end ... And he offered only a slightly different look at the same thing. What they will do with the representatives of other religions or atheists is even scary to think.


                snek, it would be better if you did not write a word about it. Protopop Habakkuk accepted martyrdom for the Old Orthodox faith. He did not offer anything "a little bit different." Old Believers accepted persecution, torment and death because they did not retreat even a letter from the faith of grandfathers and fathers.
                And not for you to write about it. And it is not for you to bring the example of Habakkuk out of place.
                Shame and shame, a man without faith and God allows himself to write about what he does not understand.
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    The defilers of the Temples at all times were considered to be non-humans, and before, non-humans used to have a short conversation ...., but nowadays other times and some shots for the sake of their own PR sometimes do not think about their own actions, but because they are merciful in our times, but God's judgment is not so merciful ... it is fair, and God grant that all these launchers and other offended by the mind in the end light up and they have time to repent, because they don’t joke with eternity ... it's dumb.
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    I'm against.
    Since the time of princely squads, squads of any kind have served not rallying, but civil strife and, ultimately, weakening.
    The case and the duty of the police to maintain public order in accordance with existing law.
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    “In general, when listing the shares of vandals of recent times, one involuntarily takes the side of those people who are ready to repulse this peculiar obscurantism. Let's hope that in this regard a sober legislative decision will be born, filled with real legal thought. ”
    Let's hope. Let's hope that the idea of ​​creating Orthodox squads will be cut down in the bud. Otherwise, there will be a temptation to create Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. etc. Why not? If you can be Orthodox, you can also others. There will be teams of amateur fishermen and hunters, dog breeders and nerds, and so on. The country will be divided into groups, each of which will acquire its own squad. The forces will begin to quarrel among themselves, defending their interests. The country will be in chaos. The enemies of Russia are just waiting for this.
    If you create a squad, then those that will protect the interests of man and citizen. Not dividing the inhabitants of our country by any grounds.
    And it is still unknown who is more of a vandal: either the one who does not deliberately put crosses anywhere, turning the country into a virtual cemetery, or the one who, for lack of brains, cuts them down.
    As for the vandals, here they are real VANDALS. gidepark.ru/user/3939643494/content/1614320 Destruction on 12.10.2012 in the city of Nelidovo of the monument to the heroically fallen soldiers of the Soviet Army
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      And it is still unknown who more vandal: whether he who does not deliberately put crosses anywhere, turning the country into a virtual cemetery, or the one who, for lack of brains, cuts them.

      Started for health, finished for peace. It is necessary to think up such a thing.
      You gentlemen, have you already decided to forbid putting up crosses in Holy Russia?
      Your time has not come yet, wait.
      1. npv554f 23 October 2012 22: 35 New
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        “You gentlemen, have you already decided to forbid putting up crosses in Holy Russia?”
        Dear “Bulkhead”, I am far from this seditious thought. Simply, before installing the cross, you need to observe many conditions, and not put anywhere and anything. First of all, the purpose of the installation is that it is an urgent need or a fashion trend. Place of installation, because crosses do not put wherever. Which cross is installed: missionary or memorial, grave or cenotaph cross, etc. etc. You can’t install a cross for the sake of the installation itself, since this has been done recently in the country. It became fashionable and began to set. Fashion will pass, they will begin to fool. Remember what Omar Khayyam wrote about the ban on wine:
        “The prohibition of wine is a law that reckons with
        Who is drunk, and when, and how much, and with whom.
        When all these reservations are met,
        Drinking is a sign of wisdom, not a vice at all. ”
        So with the installation of crosses, you need to observe many conditions, and then set.
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          Dear “Bulkhead”, I am far from this seditious thought. Simply, before installing the cross, you need to observe many conditions, and not put anywhere and anything

          Dear npv554f, you are very close to seditiousness. So how do you write about the symbol of Christianity literally the following "what hit".
          But in fact, you yourself do not give any analysis. What are the many conditions that have not been met? In which case? And what do you call the phrase "horrible"?
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            Because these are only two crossed pieces of wood and no more.
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              Quote: Hon
              Because these are only two crossed pieces of wood and no more.

              That's what I’m talking about, you are a kind of enlightened one. Sedition.
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          Quote: npv554f
          First of all, the purpose of the installation is that it is an urgent need or a fashion trend. Place of installation, because crosses do not put wherever. Which cross is installed: missionary or memorial, grave or cenotaph cross, etc. etc. You can’t install a cross for the sake of the installation itself, since this has been done recently in the country. It became fashionable and began to set.


          Did I miss something? Or do some gentlemen have the opportunity to change their text when they so wish? Say, in a day or two?
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    Oleg Rosskiyy 23 October 2012 00: 41 New
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    Friends are good, of course, but why are people walking past these cattle vandalizing themselves confined to quiet sniffling under their breath and shifting their opposition to this mentally to others, rather than hindering these morons? Any encroachment on our indigenous spiritual and cultural values ​​is a frank, purposeful spit in the face of our multinational nation, as long as we spit, and our provocateurs must respond to these provocateurs and preferably harder. So when you witness such "actions", God forbid, do not pass indifferently, as this is directed against each of us personally.
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      It may be because the majority do not care for these shrines, and the Orthodox in our country are not as many as you think ...
  25. snek
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    Vandalism...
    The meaning of the term vandalism in the cultural environment (among people devoted to art, culture, enlightenment) and among religious figures is a broad concept that covers not only cases of direct destruction of cultural property, but also cases of indirect destruction of cultural property, cases of destruction of spiritual values ​​and landmarks , a perversion of any true meaning, including a case of indifference to obvious shortcomings in education, art, culture

    Hmm, let me think ...
    On the eve of the Moscow Engineering Physics Institute (MEPhI), on the basis of which the National Research Nuclear University was established, Patriarch Kirill visited. In honor of his arrival, the rector of the university, Mikhail Strikhanov, and the academic council of the university decided to remove from the courtyard of the university campus a monument to the “MYTHIC Student”, which embodies the motto of the university “The road will be overpowered

    It was March 8.03.2010, XNUMX as a result:

    And we also have a "perversion of the true meaning":

    It is noteworthy that the author of "A. S. Pushkin" is indicated, although he did not write such a work. If Alexander Sergeevich would be alive now - he could also sue.
    And from September 1 of this year, we have the Fundamentals of Orthodox culture in all regions of the country and the Department of Theology at MEPhI ...

    They danced in the temple and sawed off a couple of crosses ... Oh HORROR!
    Once in our country they knew how to communicate with the church

    For me personally, the funniest thing is that the majority on this site violently plows around the USSR and almost the same majority calls for almost shooting "those who dare to encroach on the foundations of Vera!" When in the USSR itself (especially at the stage of formation), the destruction of everything related to religion went on an industrial scale. The clearest example of the doublethink of the masses according to Ourel.
    1. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 23 October 2012 01: 03 New
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      snek,
      Didn’t you crap under the door? Well, when they say shit, do not be surprised and do not be offended, but rather appreciate it, this is a manifestation of democracy and artistic expression of will imposed on us by Western values. No offense, in conscience, accept?
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        Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
        Didn’t you crap under the door? Well, when they say shit, do not be surprised and do not be offended, but rather appreciate it, this is a manifestation of democracy and artistic expression of will imposed on us by Western values. No offense, in conscience, accept?

        At the door - no, at the entrance - yes. And this is in a country with resurgent Faith. I can’t remember such a thing in a godless USSR ...
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          Oleg Rosskiyy 23 October 2012 21: 41 New
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          snek,
          That’s the whole point that in the USSR they could go to places not so remote with a lawyer, but at the moment everyone wants democracy, and democracy means permissiveness. This suggests the conclusion that our people are nostalgic in that order with harsh censorship, and as for faith, I strongly doubt that a truly believing and self-respecting person can do this.
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      Physics textbooks will be rewritten at this pace, taking into account the "new trends". And there is not far off and the mandatory entrance exam on Theosophy in the country's universities.
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    Quote: Hon
    And why, then, all the same, the Jews are God's chosen nation? After all, Christianity was brought to us by foreigners in fact. And why did Russia flourish before the adoption of Christianity?

    Thriving? Hmm ... This is something new. Thanks to the Orthodox Cossacks, we have come from the banks of the Dnieper to the shores of the Pacific Ocean. I hope you know that all the oil with which we are currently feeding is located in the Urals, and all that is mastered by the Cossacks beyond the Urals, and ONLY Orthodox were admitted to the Cossacks?
    I don’t understand what other examples are needed ?! Ask what does the Church have to do with it?
    The Church itself has nothing to do with it, because Christ did not set the task of developing society and the state. It’s just that the people who completed these tasks were all deeply Orthodox believers. Not only Cossacks, but also Ushakov, Suvorov, Nevsky, Donskoy, Lomonosov, etc.
    Give your names of the Great Russians who were not deeply believers Orthodox and who have done the same for Russia.
    I drum your philosophies, give specific examples, names, facts. I say that only thanks to the Orthodox Russians did Russia win and achieve incredible successes. And I give examples of these Orthodox Russians. Your move, gentlemen, militant atheists.
    1. Hon
      Hon 23 October 2012 21: 36 New
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      That is, there would be no Orthodoxy, there would be no Cossacks? But what did the Cossack Mazepa bring to the homeland?
      Examples of prominent people who were not deeply religious: Rokosovsky and Zhukov, being communists with a high degree of probability, were not believers, and certainly they were not deeply religious, Tsialkovsky, Shalamov, Herbert Wells, Mark Twain, among scientists there are quite a few atheists and agnostics.
      You mentioned Lomonosov) some interesting facts

      Mikhail Lomonosov wrote the satirical Hymn to the Beard (1757), in which he mockingly spoke about the burning of heretics, and also, in which, as stated by the Holy Synod, "he puts far-witted kids far more respectable than priests." The indignant Holy Synod asked Empress Elizabeth Petrovna “to burn these pashkvili, henceforth to repair the ban, which Lomonosov had designated for proper warning and correction in that, to send to the Synod.” For Lomonosov, this complaint had no consequences, but he wrote another satirical poem, "The Anthem of the Beard for Judgment."

      In 1757, the Synod demanded to “suspend” the scientific activity of Lomonosov, who called for “not particularly scolding the sciences in the sermons”, to burn his works, and to send Lomonosov to the Synod “for exhortation and correction”. The demand of the Synod was not fulfilled.

      The complex relations of M.V. Lomonosov with the Synod are due to a formal conflict of scientific ideas that had developed by that time and church dogmas - the scientist’s same desire, consistently guided by the logic of a scientific world outlook, to counteract obscurantism.

      It is forbidden by the synod, published in 1740 in St. Petersburg in a translation of the book by B. B. de Fontenel, “Conversations on the set of worlds”, which described the Copernican system, - a translation by A. Pope, similar in content, “Experience on a man” (1757), was crippled )

      The complex relations of M.V. Lomonosov with the Synod are due to a formal conflict of scientific ideas that had developed by that time and church dogmas - the scientist’s same desire, consistently guided by the logic of a scientific world outlook, to counteract obscurantism.
      Being a staunch supporter of the heliocentric model and assumptions about the multiplicity of inhabited worlds, the latter M.V. Lomonosov saw indirect confirmation of the presence of atmosphere in Venus established by him. In his “Addition” to “The Appearance of Venus” the scientist raises the question: do these ideas contradict the teaching of the church? Comparing quotes from the Holy Scriptures and Orthodox theologians, he shows the difference between the tasks of religion and science - they have no reason to oppose each other. He writes for the “Addition” very convincing verses “Two astronomers happened together at a feast ....”, however, admitting some liberty: in the place of Ptolemy, there should be Tycho Brahe - “Another, that the Sun leads the planets with itself ...” - this is his system, not Ptolemy

      It is forbidden by the synod, published in 1740 in St. Petersburg in a translation of the book by B. B. de Fontenel, “Conversations on the set of worlds”, which described the Copernican system, - a translation by A. Pope, similar in content, “Experience on a man” (1757), was crippled )
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        Quote: Hon
        You mentioned Lomonosov) some interesting facts


        Hon, stop your booth. Only a near man would come up with the idea of ​​equating the relation of man to God and the relation to this man of the Synod, even the Most Holy.
        By the way, did you read that hymn? What is there of Lomonosov’s religiosity or lack thereof?
        But your comments on these two columns will be interesting to me:

        "Beard in treasury income
        Multiplies over all years:
        Kerzhenets kind brother
        Happy double salary
        In the collection for this brings
        And with a low bow
        In the eternal skip peace
        Headless with a beard.

        Not in vain he dares
        True knows your profit:
        He just smoothed his mustache
        Mortal without fear of a thunderstorm,
        Superstitions jump into the flame;
        How much with Ob and Caves
        After them wealth home
        He takes out a beard. "
        1. Hon
          Hon 24 October 2012 09: 56 New
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          Why comment, a clear satirical ridicule of priests. Do not you understand something in these lines?
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            I have no words...
            We are talking here about the champions of the Old Orthodox faith (called the Old Believers). Which for a long time were taxed by the treasury for wearing a beard with double requisitions.
            "And with a bow low asks
            In the eternal skip peace
            Headless with a beard "
            About those who are ready to accept death, but not to deny the faith of grandfathers and fathers.

            It is not clear how I see you. And I would not be in your place to scatter links, without delving into their meaning.
            1. Hon
              Hon 24 October 2012 10: 52 New
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              Let us suppose. Is there evidence that Lomonosov was a deeply religious person? In general, there is evidence of the existence of God, or just a game of believe I do not believe? Do you know how many religions on earth? What religion is true?
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                Quote: Hon
                Let us suppose. Is there evidence that Lomonosov was a deeply religious person?

                Let's say something else. You, unfortunately, are illiterate in the matter under discussion.
                But this is not scary. It is much worse that at the same time you are also hostile to Orthodoxy.
                Is it permissible in this case to discuss with you topics that are dear to a person who is at least a believer? My opinion is no.
                Since you do not give a report to your own words.

                No, I can not resist, I will give you an answer to one of the questions
                Quote: Hon
                Do you know how many religions on earth? What religion is true?

                Saint Dionysius the Areopagite, according to the tradition of the disciple of the Apostle Paul:
                “The divine ray cannot shine on us otherwise than under various, sacred and mysterious covers, and, moreover, according to the fatherly providence, it is adaptable to our own nature”

                Try to understand.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 24 October 2012 11: 16 New
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                  A simple question, can you give evidence of the existence of God, or is Orthodoxy a true faith? Jehovah's Witnesses also spit saliva assuring that their faith is the truth!

                  Understand that? You are trying to convince me of the existence of God through Jewish tales.

                  Understand that? You are trying to convince me of the existence of God through Jewish tales.
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                    Quote: Hon
                    Jehovah's Witnesses also spit saliva assuring that their faith is the truth!

                    Why too? I assure you that our faith is true and that others are not? What is my faith, what do you think?
                    Return to the beginning of the comments. It is impermissible to behave as a pig, it is impermissible to spit on shrines, even if they are not mine, it is impermissible to abuse the faith, even if it is a stranger. In short - this is the main idea that I wanted to convey.
                    To bring the light of faith to idolaters and pagans? Alas, I'm not ready for this. Himself would be saved ...

                    Quote: Hon
                    Understand that? You are trying to convince me of the existence of God through Jewish tales.

                    Try to understand the quote of Dionysius the Areopagite, slow-witted. This was the answer to your question.
                    As you can see, I answer you. But I do not observe reciprocity.
                    You will jump from fifth to tenth just to not notice the obvious. But the following is obvious to me - you are not ready, not ripe for such a conversation.
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    All believers are easy to check (or bring to clean water). They must be judged by deeds, not by words. A believer should be the husband of one wife, sober, chaste, deanery, honest. He must have a humble, God-fearing wife and well-bred children. Christians will never be a mass product, and they will always be disliked for no apparent reason. A believer should not be near and clogged, but on the contrary, he should be more educated, well-read and erudite.
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    Quote: JACOB
    A believer should be the husband of one wife, sober, chaste, deanery, honest. He must have a humble, God-fearing wife and well-bred children. Christians will never be a mass product, and they will always be disliked for no apparent reason. A believer should not be near and clogged, but on the contrary, he should be more educated, well-read and erudite.

    In general, I agree, but with significant reservations.
    We are all not sinless, our flesh is weak and often leads to sin. Even the believers.
    As for erudition, it is needed more for opposition than for saving the soul.